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Offline CaptainFlannel

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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #90 on: July 16, 2021, 12:07:27 PM »
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Also, CAPTAIN FLANNEL, my guess is that you have my comments confused with someone else's comments.

Thanks, no confusion.

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Being an adult means taking responsibility for one's situation and actions.

Unfortunately the hard truth is that a person must take control of their own life.
A person must be responsible for their own life.
Help from others doesn't work when the person refuses to help themselves.
That is the difficult fact of living.
No amount of feeling sorry for folks is ever going to change things.
What that does is make the person who feels sorry "virtuous".

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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #91 on: July 16, 2021, 12:17:44 PM »
I believe that last year when the UWS had its homeless folks in the streets challenge...
...people were also tip toeing around trying to remove the homeless folks without losing their claims to virtuosity.

It turned out to be impossible.

The homeless people were removed from the area.

And both the virtuous and the non virtuous inhabitants of the UWS remained utterly silent (and possibly relieved?) when it happened.

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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #92 on: July 16, 2021, 12:19:58 PM »
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Also, CAPTAIN FLANNEL, my guess is that you have my comments confused with someone else's comments.

Thanks, no confusion.

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Being an adult means taking responsibility for one's situation and actions.

Unfortunately the hard truth is that a person must take control of their own life.
A person must be responsible for their own life.
Help from others doesn't work when the person refuses to help themselves.
That is the difficult fact of living.
No amount of feeling sorry for folks is ever going to change things.
What that does is make the person who feels sorry "virtuous".

Hmmm. Quite a creative leap from that...to not human, my dear Captain Flannel. Interesting how your mind works.

Here's a definition of an adult in PSYCHOLOGY TODAY that might help.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-prime-life/201503/who-is-adult#:~:text=Moving%20beyond%20the%20standard%20definitions.&text=What%20does%20it%20mean%20to%20be%20an%20adult%3F&text=Then%20there%20is%20the%20psychological,her%20or%20his%20own%20decisions.
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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #93 on: July 16, 2021, 02:07:18 PM »
they were, in fact, moved. uptown about a mile and a half or so. following that model, i guess the solution is to move people to Corona or Elmhurst.

I believe that last year when the UWS had its homeless folks in the streets challenge...
...people were also tip toeing around trying to remove the homeless folks without losing their claims to virtuosity.

It turned out to be impossible.

The homeless people were removed from the area.

And both the virtuous and the non virtuous inhabitants of the UWS remained utterly silent (and possibly relieved?) when it happened.

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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #94 on: July 16, 2021, 02:52:43 PM »
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Here's a definition of an adult in PSYCHOLOGY TODAY that might help.

I'm sure you thought you owned me with that, but you are incorrect.

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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #95 on: July 16, 2021, 03:05:11 PM »
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Here's a definition of an adult in PSYCHOLOGY TODAY that might help.

I'm sure you thought you owned me with that, but you are incorrect.

I see that being virtuous has a lot to do with pride.
It is interesting to see how you wriggle out of confusing not being an adult with not being human.

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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #96 on: July 16, 2021, 06:42:11 PM »
DSSH is right that the homeless man of 77th St. is or, was when I passed him today, sitting on a railing on 37th Ave. This is clearly not the hopeful conclusion to this saga  that I had wanted.I think we must accept that helping someone who doesn't want help results in this kind of impasse. The message he needs to hear however is that of the many available options to him living in the midst of the community as he has is not an option that can continue. It poses a risk to him and to us and that message will be reiterated if he continues to live on the street.

I don't know what the solution is to the issue of how to protect our public space while at the same time remaining mindful of the needs of these unfortunates. What I do know is that the period when we watched and remained inactive and despairing about these things helped no one.

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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #97 on: July 16, 2021, 06:43:06 PM »
This whole discussion about "drunkards" makes me wonder if we should also remove "cripples" from our sidewalks. They do slow us down and inconvenience us.

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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #98 on: July 16, 2021, 07:57:23 PM »
Ekbalam your comment is unhelpful and frivolous. The sarcasm leads no where . It offers no problem solving, it is not an attempt to develop pragmatic solutions or build some consensus about how to proceed. It is meant to ridicule those of us who worry about our public spaces being used as open air flop houses. Of course we are talking about two or three instances of homeless men living on the street but what if it grew to ten encampments which is perfectly possible(see the LA examples of how this happens) would you be still be using the same Olympian dismissal of concerns about these problems?

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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #99 on: July 17, 2021, 12:21:18 AM »
Trust me, no solutions to much of anything will be coming from this board. My taking exception to using the word "drunkards" in the place of homeless people or alcoholics has caused as much activity as this board has seen in months. I just want to point out the casual cruelty of some posters here. My hope is that they will be less so in the future. New York City is not holding its breath to hear from Jackson Heights Life.

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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #100 on: July 17, 2021, 09:39:57 AM »
 Ekbalam thinks mightly highly of themselves.

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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #101 on: July 17, 2021, 09:59:22 AM »
Perhaps an idea is to ask the guy on the railing his story. He turned up out of the blue recently. But he must come from somewhere...maybe finding out where he was previously could help with his situation. If none of us here can talk with him due to his mental illness...(it's dealing with real life...not arguing on a forum theoretically)...a professional city social worker might.

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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #102 on: July 17, 2021, 12:24:27 PM »
i've had one very brief conversation with him, which he initiated. this was a couple of weeks ago. he was pleasant, asked me how my day was going, didn't ask for any money/food/anything. perfectly cogent (not that that has much to do with his mental state). i didn't think to ask him for his backstory, since i seldom do that with anyone the first time i speak with them.

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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #103 on: July 25, 2021, 03:13:16 PM »
The guy who had set up his bed on 37th Avenue made the Queens Latino weekly newspaper this week.  The article is about the various ways that life in Queens has become more difficult for the latino community during COVID, as well as how the quality of life in Queens has deteriorated.   The guy in the photo seems to be annoyed at being awakened  by the photographer.   Fortunately, the bed (and surrounding garbage) is no longer on 37th Avenue, though the post office and burger king drunkards are still to be found drinking themselves into a stupor.   
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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #104 on: July 25, 2021, 03:21:16 PM »
The guy who had set up his bed on 37th Avenue made the Queens Latino weekly newspaper this week.  The article is about the various ways that life in Queens has become more difficult for the latino community during COVID, as well as the ways in which the quality of life in Queens has deteriorated.   The guy in the photo seems to be annoyed at being awakened  by the photographer.   Fortunately, the bed (and surrounding garbage) is no longer on 37th Avenue, though the post office and burger king drunkards are still to be found drinking themselves into a stupor.

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Re: Post office drunkards
« Reply #104 on: July 25, 2021, 03:21:16 PM »