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Re: 34th Avenue street closure permanently (NOT)
« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2020, 09:20:26 PM »
"I have seen a number of seniors, medical staff, delivery people and other residents mightily inconvenienced by the closing."

That sounds like a bunch of nonsense. The streets are still accessible to delivery people, medical staff, and the elderly, even with a vehicle. I suppose if you are a snowflake and consider being mightily inconvenienced having to drive 5 mph for one block or possible having to get out of a vehicle to move a metal barricade over two feet then maybe. Most of the time the barricades can be passed without even moving them.

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Re: 34th Avenue street closure permanently (NOT)
« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2020, 05:28:22 AM »
In these strange times, it seems silly for neighbors to be attacking each other or accusing each other of being unkind or selfish or whatever.

I think one major point here is that residents never got a chance to vote on this, especially the residents most impacted by the road changes, on 34th Ave and on the nearby streets and avenues.

The justification for the original closure was always a bit fishy (why create a street-park when people are supposed to be isolating at home?). And the justifications for extending the closure also seem pretty fishy or non-existent so far.

But rather than arguing about this, we should really just have a vote. Especially taking into account the views of the residents who actually live on 34th Ave... who might even support the closure, but have apparently never been asked?

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Re: 34th Avenue street closure permanently (NOT)
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2020, 06:56:25 AM »

But rather than arguing about this, we should really just have a vote. Especially taking into account the views of the residents who actually live on 34th Ave... who might even support the closure, but have apparently never been asked?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

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Re: 34th Avenue street closure permanently (NOT)
« Reply #48 on: August 28, 2020, 02:15:05 PM »
And a person would be mean-spirited indeed to prioritize their car needs over kids.
People love to hide behind kids.  They use inane emotional tactics to insinuate you have some kind of low moral character because you think their idea about permanently rearranging our neighborhood streets is dumb.  What a pathetic argument.

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« Reply #49 on: August 28, 2020, 03:12:29 PM »
And a person would be mean-spirited indeed to prioritize their car needs over kids.
People love to hide behind kids.  They use inane emotional tactics to insinuate you have some kind of low moral character because you think their idea about permanently rearranging our neighborhood streets is dumb.  What a pathetic argument.

As opposed to reactionaries who are fearful of any change...?

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Re: 34th Avenue street closure permanently (NOT)
« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2020, 09:03:52 AM »
In these strange times, it seems silly for neighbors to be attacking each other or accusing each other of being unkind or selfish or whatever.

I think one major point here is that residents never got a chance to vote on this, especially the residents most impacted by the road changes, on 34th Ave and on the nearby streets and avenues.

The justification for the original closure was always a bit fishy (why create a street-park when people are supposed to be isolating at home?). And the justifications for extending the closure also seem pretty fishy or non-existent so far.

But rather than arguing about this, we should really just have a vote. Especially taking into account the views of the residents who actually live on 34th Ave... who might even support the closure, but have apparently never been asked?

  Am hearing about efforts to put this to a VOTE!! yes. If a permanent closure of 34th Ave is found to be a good solution, so be it. But if it is determined to be an inadequate or ill advised use of the street, returning it to the previous car/full bike speed lanes would happen. The number of lawsuits that NYC has to deal with is already a huge load and a chunk of the budget that could be spent elsewhere so it's great to hear even a possibility of debate to listen to both sides on this issue. Let the decision be fair with the winning side having with data driven, reasoned arguments for all parties. Amen.

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Re: 34th Avenue street closure permanently (NOT)
« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2020, 10:23:43 AM »
In these strange times, it seems silly for neighbors to be attacking each other or accusing each other of being unkind or selfish or whatever.

I think one major point here is that residents never got a chance to vote on this, especially the residents most impacted by the road changes, on 34th Ave and on the nearby streets and avenues.

The justification for the original closure was always a bit fishy (why create a street-park when people are supposed to be isolating at home?). And the justifications for extending the closure also seem pretty fishy or non-existent so far.

But rather than arguing about this, we should really just have a vote. Especially taking into account the views of the residents who actually live on 34th Ave... who might even support the closure, but have apparently never been asked?

  Am hearing about efforts to put this to a VOTE!! yes. If a permanent closure of 34th Ave is found to be a good solution, so be it. But if it is determined to be an inadequate or ill advised use of the street, returning it to the previous car/full bike speed lanes would happen. The number of lawsuits that NYC has to deal with is already a huge load and a chunk of the budget that could be spent elsewhere so it's great to hear even a possibility of debate to listen to both sides on this issue. Let the decision be fair with the winning side having with data driven, reasoned arguments for all parties. Amen.

Now that sounds FAIR. And I am all for BEING FAIR & EQUITABLE. For the ENTIRE community of Jackson Heights.
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Re: 34th Avenue street closure permanently (NOT)
« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2020, 06:03:21 PM »
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I also channel Gladys Gilbert!

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« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2020, 06:16:38 PM »
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It's time to make Gladys Gilbert proud.

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Re: 34th Avenue street closure permanently (NOT)
« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2020, 06:39:58 PM »

BAIT

Noun: food, or some substitute, used as a lure in fishing, trapping, etc. a poisoned lure used in exterminating pests.

Verb: (used with object) to prepare (a hook or trap) with bait. to entice by deception or trickery so as to entrap or destroy:
using fake signal lights to bait the ships onto the rocks.
I also channel Gladys Gilbert!

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Re: 34th Avenue street closure permanently (NOT)
« Reply #55 on: August 30, 2020, 09:54:29 AM »

BAIT

Noun: food, or some substitute, used as a lure in fishing, trapping, etc. a poisoned lure used in exterminating pests.

Verb: (used with object) to prepare (a hook or trap) with bait. to entice by deception or trickery so as to entrap or destroy:
using fake signal lights to bait the ships onto the rocks.

Not really. Imagine it being said in far more dulcet tones. Sometimes I channel Dorothea Lange.

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Re: 34th Avenue street closure permanently (NOT)
« Reply #56 on: August 30, 2020, 07:24:40 PM »
For real data, someone should evaluate the usage at different times. I loved having the open streets during the height of pandemic and in summer, but there are times when it doesn’t seem to be used and creates more inconvenience and increased traffic on other Avenues. (I live on 35th). I biked today Sunday at 4 pm and there were very few people on the Avenue between 84th and Junction.  Can see a compromise and keep the Open Street on Sunday, maybe part of Saturday. As we go back to some normalcy, don’t see a need for this to be permanent...

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Re: 34th Avenue street closure permanently (NOT)
« Reply #57 on: August 30, 2020, 07:35:48 PM »
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The justification for the original closure was always a bit fishy (why create a street-park when people are supposed to be isolating at home?). And the justifications for extending the closure also seem pretty fishy or non-existent so far.

There was always a recognition that for mental health and fitness reasons, people need access to green space. That's why the entrance fees to state parks were waved for awhile.  Sitting at home all day with your family in less than 1000 square feet during a time of high stress is not conducive to good mental health and it sure doesn't promote physical fitness.

There was nothing fishy about the justification for the street closures that many people advocated for and support. You just disagree, which is fine. We're all entitled to our own opinions, even when they are the wrong ones. But there's a difference between disagreement and fishy justifications.

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Re: 34th Avenue street closure permanently (NOT)
« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2020, 04:04:42 AM »
The street was opened in May (May 14th?) when 150-200 people were still dying per day in New York.

None of New York had even started reopening yet, not even the upstate areas. Encouraging everyone to come out of isolation and have fun in some new street park made no sense at all then.

It really feels like people who wanted more green space and/or were opposed to cars took advantage of the pandemic as an opportunity to advance their agenda. Which makes sense and to be clear I want more green space too, in general.

But the justification and timing was extremely fishy and as far as I can tell, there has been no attempt to be considerate of the people who live on 34th and ask them what they actually want. Maybe they all want a street park, but nobody knows because nobody has asked.

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Re: 34th Avenue street closure permanently (NOT)
« Reply #59 on: August 31, 2020, 09:55:41 AM »
The street was opened in May (May 14th?) when 150-200 people were still dying per day in New York.

None of New York had even started reopening yet, not even the upstate areas. Encouraging everyone to come out of isolation and have fun in some new street park made no sense at all then.

It really feels like people who wanted more green space and/or were opposed to cars took advantage of the pandemic as an opportunity to advance their agenda. Which makes sense and to be clear I want more green space too, in general.

But the justification and timing was extremely fishy and as far as I can tell, there has been no attempt to be considerate of the people who live on 34th and ask them what they actually want. Maybe they all want a street park, but nobody knows because nobody has asked.

The idea came from European cities who implemented it to deal with folks being cooped up in their tiny apartments during COVID times. Fresh air is known to be beneficial during a pandemic. This has been a fact ever since the Spanish Flu.

Google "The origins of the Open Regimen" to do with treating Spanish Flu.





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Re: 34th Avenue street closure permanently (NOT)
« Reply #59 on: August 31, 2020, 09:55:41 AM »