Author Topic: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing  (Read 8897 times)

Offline r

  • Activist
  • *****
  • Posts: 131
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2020, 05:33:52 PM »
This thread is so huge now... trying to summarize...

- Even crappy masks make it harder to spread. So everyone should at least be wearing crappy masks when outside their home.

- Crappy masks don't protect you from catching it (very much), but an N95 mask (or R95, P95, KN95, KF94, P2, etc) will help you from catching it, even if nobody else is wearing masks. You can find some of these on eBay.

- The virus can hang around in the air for a while (or be sucked through the air by air conditioning or fans), even after the spreader has left.

- Avoid all indoor and underground spaces when possible.

- Open multiple windows if you are in a car.

- If you live in an apartment, consider blocking the bottom of your front door so that air from the hallway can't enter your apartment.
 
- Lose weight if you are overweight. Besides affecting older people more, the virus also affects higher BMI more.

Offline CaptainFlannel

  • Mayor
  • *******
  • Posts: 1038
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2020, 07:09:53 PM »
Quote
Unfortunately surgical/cloth masks are not 100% Corona proof.

Yes, they decrease the risk.

But I think tests have shown there is still a % chance of catching the virus even when both folks are masked.

N95 respirator masks are the only masks that keep folks completely safe is what I have gathered. And people don't wear them in the streets...only in hospitals etc.

It's not and never has been about eliminating all risk. Like most everything in life, there's a risk. We could reduce fatalities on the interstate highways by reducing the speed limit to 35 mph, but then you have to weight the impact on the economy, people's time, etc. We could require restaurants to only serve hard cooked eggs to even further reduce the risk of food borne illnesses undercooked eggs, but for most people a bad egg is probably just going to give you at worst, a bad case of a stomach bug and who wants overly cooked eggs all the time for that?

Wearing a face cover is kind of a minor inconvenience I think in light of how much it can reduce the transmission of a easily contracted respiratory illness. I sorely wish the guidance to wear a face covering had come about a month earlier than it did.

Offline CaptainFlannel

  • Mayor
  • *******
  • Posts: 1038
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2020, 07:27:16 PM »
@Lilybell - Thank you. It's been months of processing difficult emotions.

Offline JHResident

  • Activist
  • *****
  • Posts: 215
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #63 on: July 10, 2020, 10:25:02 AM »
I find all of the masks uncomfortable and inconvenient. They make my nose run and make it hard to breathe especially if I'm exerting myself at all. Nevertheless, I where them whenever I'm in public outside my home or car.
I have to discard the surgical masks after each use. The KN95 masks I wear only when a crowded indoor environment, like shopping and might be able to wear for a couple of days an hour at a time, but these are the most uncomfortable. The cloth mask is the most comfortable and probably the least effective but I have made the cloth masks a little more effective by inserting a piece of a Filtrete virus and allergen filter that is supposed to be more than 99% effective, but of course it's still behind cloth which can absorb particles.  The cloth masks can be washed but some of them are cheaply made and will be less effective with each washing. Hand washing works best for me.

Offline abcdefghijk

  • Mayor
  • *******
  • Posts: 1295
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #64 on: July 10, 2020, 11:15:43 AM »
The real trouble is that because of mixed messages from leaders...and the lack of 100% certain knowledge about Corona since it is new....

Random folks thus "become" experts.  And play that role. Some quite dictatorially...

Leading to even more confused messages.

An example of this is that De Blasio (etc) is saying wear masks when social distancing is impossible.

While others are screaming to wear masks always. And not let noses peak out. Even when folks are socially distanced outside.

Opposing messages abound.







Offline dssjh

  • Mayor
  • *******
  • Posts: 5096
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #65 on: July 10, 2020, 11:32:37 AM »
nicely-applied use of "screaming" to indicate disagreement with the (implicitly unreasonable) second stance, and imply personal expertise on the topic by a random person.

kudos -- in all seriousness -- on deft writing style.




Offline N00b

  • Activist
  • *****
  • Posts: 155
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #66 on: July 10, 2020, 11:56:05 AM »
Unfortunately surgical/cloth masks are not 100% Corona proof.

Yes, they decrease the risk.

But I think tests have shown there is still a % chance of catching the virus even when both folks are masked.

N95 respirator masks are the only masks that keep folks completely safe is what I have gathered. And people don't wear them in the streets...only in hospitals etc.

what...is your point?

Offline abcdefghijk

  • Mayor
  • *******
  • Posts: 1295
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #67 on: July 10, 2020, 12:10:19 PM »
Unfortunately surgical/cloth masks are not 100% Corona proof.

Yes, they decrease the risk.

But I think tests have shown there is still a % chance of catching the virus even when both folks are masked.

N95 respirator masks are the only masks that keep folks completely safe is what I have gathered. And people don't wear them in the streets...only in hospitals etc.

what...is your point?

The point is there is no 100% Corona-proof situation with non N95 masks.

And we must continue, of course, but accept that fact.

For example, there is a % chance of getting run over by a bus when a person leaves their apartment. But we all accept that risk...and continue our lives.

The same applies with Corona.


Offline r

  • Activist
  • *****
  • Posts: 131
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #68 on: July 10, 2020, 04:24:13 PM »
While others are screaming to wear masks always. And not let noses peak out.

FWIW, the correct way to breathe is by breathing with your nose, not your mouth.

Some people who don't breathe with their nose actually have trouble exercising or sleeping because of that.

(That is also probably why the COVID tests swab your nose...)

Offline abcdefghijk

  • Mayor
  • *******
  • Posts: 1295
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #69 on: July 10, 2020, 07:22:44 PM »
While others are screaming to wear masks always. And not let noses peak out.

FWIW, the correct way to breathe is by breathing with your nose, not your mouth.

Some people who don't breathe with their nose actually have trouble exercising or sleeping because of that.

(That is also probably why the COVID tests swab your nose...)

Like I mentioned. Random folks set themselves up as experts. Including on how to breathe. And there are opposing views to everything. From a quick search on the internet...

--------------------------------------

Healthy people use both their nose and their mouth to breathe. Breathing through the mouth only becomes necessary when you have nasal congestion due to allergies or a cold. Also, when you are exercising strenuously, mouth breathing can help get oxygen to your muscles faster.

-------------------------------------

Offline r

  • Activist
  • *****
  • Posts: 131
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #70 on: July 10, 2020, 08:11:35 PM »
Breathing through the mouth only becomes necessary when you have nasal congestion due to allergies or a cold.

i.e. you should normally be breathing with your nose.

That is also why a mask covering the nose is important.

Offline CaptainFlannel

  • Mayor
  • *******
  • Posts: 1038
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #71 on: July 11, 2020, 07:01:18 AM »
Quote
De Blasio (etc) is saying wear masks when social distancing is impossible.

Can you show us where De Blasio (or any leader) has stated it's not possible to wear a mask while simultaneously keeping a social distance from others? Why would anyone make such an assertion anyway? It's absurd.

Quote
While others are screaming to wear masks always.

Can you show us where any leader has screamed that we must wear masks at all times.

Quote
And not let noses peak out.

Considering that about 20-30% of the people I see in stores and on busy streets in the neighborhood wearing a mask wear it incorrectly, leaders should be adamant in getting the message out that the two holes in your face that compromise your nose are part of your respiratory system and should therefore be covered by a mask. How is this "screaming" about how to properly wear a mask a problem?

Quote
Even when folks are socially distanced outside.

Show us where a leader has stated you should wear a mask outside even when no one else is near you.

Offline abcdefghijk

  • Mayor
  • *******
  • Posts: 1295
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #72 on: July 11, 2020, 08:44:59 AM »
Quote
De Blasio (etc) is saying wear masks when social distancing is impossible.

Can you show us where De Blasio (or any leader) has stated it's not possible to wear a mask while simultaneously keeping a social distance from others? Why would anyone make such an assertion anyway? It's absurd.

Quote
While others are screaming to wear masks always.

Can you show us where any leader has screamed that we must wear masks at all times.

Quote
And not let noses peak out.

Considering that about 20-30% of the people I see in stores and on busy streets in the neighborhood wearing a mask wear it incorrectly, leaders should be adamant in getting the message out that the two holes in your face that compromise your nose are part of your respiratory system and should therefore be covered by a mask. How is this "screaming" about how to properly wear a mask a problem?

Quote
Even when folks are socially distanced outside.

Show us where a leader has stated you should wear a mask outside even when no one else is near you.

No. You misunderstood my post. Random folks are telling people what to do. And often, it's mixed messages.

Of course you can wear a mask AND social distance.

Really, you can wear a spaceman suit and socially distance...as well.

But Cuomo is saying this... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-masks-face-coverings-in-public-executive-order-governor-andrew-cuomo/

And I've decided to listen to him.

Info from random folks on the internet might not be the smartest move. 
« Last Edit: July 11, 2020, 08:57:45 AM by abcdefghijk »

Offline abcdefghijk

  • Mayor
  • *******
  • Posts: 1295
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #73 on: July 11, 2020, 09:02:05 AM »
My take is also that arguing with random folks on the internet is also possibly not the smartest choice.

Offline CaptainFlannel

  • Mayor
  • *******
  • Posts: 1038
Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2020, 06:55:06 AM »
Quote
No. You misunderstood my post. Random folks are telling people what to do. And often, it's mixed messages.

I don't think I misunderstand your post. Here is what you wrote:

Quote
The real trouble is that because of mixed messages from leaders...An example of this is that De Blasio (etc) is saying wear masks when social distancing is impossible.

We can certainly agree that random people who barely passed high school science and question the guidance experts in infectious disease feel empowered to tell others what to do (i.e. you must wear a mask at all times outside, even when no else is near you!). But where are and what are the mixed messages from leaders you posted about? And what are the mixed messages presently? What is Cuomo saying today that is different from what other leaders are saying today (or since late March)? In New York at least (we know other governors have been dismissive of mask wearing, but they are changing their tune now that the virus is impacting their states).

The only confusion that occurred about wearing a mask was back in March when the CDC and others following the CDC's lead were putting out the message that masks should be reserved for the sick and health care workers. Even the guidance to wear a face covering in public came late, which I believe likely contributed to my loved one contracting the virus.

Please understand that many more people died in the city because of the delay in changing the message to "wear a face covering when you can't socially distance, even if you aren't feeling ill," and that this isn't a topic to try to get points on to "own" people you consider internet adversaries.

There are real people behind these posts, and many people in this neighborhood (and likely users of this board) have suffered terrible personal losses that we believe can be traced back to lousy guidance back in March at the federal level, which influenced the state and local response. This is a topic to have compassion for users about, not one to focus on a need to win an internet argument about.

Jackson Heights Life

Re: Mask Wearing / Not Mask Wearing
« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2020, 06:55:06 AM »