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Offline JackM

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Street Closings
« on: April 09, 2020, 08:16:29 AM »
I have to say, I'm enjoying the quiet streets.  I haven't heard a car honking in weeks.  And the closing of a few blocks of 34th Ave. on weekends adds a new dimension.  This quiet prompted me to think of our neighborhood and our quality of life.   I think it's time for our City Council person and Community Board to consider how we can improve our neighborhood in a visionary way.  Here's a radical (or maybe not so radical) idea:  Can we close 37th Avenue between say 74 St and 90th Street and also closing 82nd Street between 35 Ave and Roosevelt Ave -- allowing only deliveries and emergency vehicles?  These are the most commercial streets and most congested streets in JH.  To make them pedestrian only would both enhance the quality of life here (remember, we are underserved by parks) eliminating traffic noise and danger to pedestrians, and it would also enhance businesses.  For example, restaurants could expand outdoor seating.  Trees and greenery could be planted along the pedestrian mall etc.  Anyway, I believe this would be a good time to start considering how to remodel and upgrade our neighborhood.  This pandemic has given us an opportunity to reimagine our neighborhood. 

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2020, 10:34:37 AM »
I am totally with you on this. I love how quiet and people-oriented the neighborhood feels, now that traffic is reduced and streets are closed. It really gives me a sense of what our neighborhood could be like. That's definitely a cause I'm willing to work for.

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2020, 12:20:02 PM »
Our neighborhood can only be like this if you get rid of the majority of the people.  I think few are in favor of that.  And no, we cannot close 37th ave.  Just enjoy these benefits while you can while this situation lasts.

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2020, 02:03:39 PM »
The closure of 34th Ave was a pilot program which has ended as not enough people were making use of it to justify the number of police needed. As most of us are staying at home, I'm not sure why this was not anticipated.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-gives-up-on-street-closures-for-open-space-as-nypd-sick-calls-rise/2361617/

I liked this as well and I think it would be great if this could be incorporated into our neighborhood either permanently or once a week.

Madrid permanently made many streets open to pedestrians only and Mexico City closes many streets on Sundays for bicyclists and pedestrians. I've experienced both and they are fantastic ways to enjoy both cities. I don't see any reason why this could not work here. It's not people, but cars that you need to get rid of to make this happen.

https://www.ricksteves.com/watch-read-listen/read/articles/an-inside-and-outside-look-at-madrid

http://cdmxtravel.com/en/top-experiences/on-sundays-zumba-and-bikes-in-reforma.html

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2020, 03:17:29 PM »
Closing one street does not magically make the cars go away, it just offloads them onto other more residential streets.  I'd rather keep that traffic on commercial streets.

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2020, 04:52:31 PM »
As for cars going to side streets -- that would not be an issue because the residential streets do not have commercial businesses.  Most thru traffic, I believe, will be diverted to Northern Blvd which can best handle it.  I've been to many cities in Europe and most have these pedestrian only areas.  Barcelona, for instance has a wonderful pedestrian thruway with stores and restaurants.  It's quite long.  We need to think about pedestrians and our quality of life.  Somehow, over the years, the needs of cars has been the priority.  We have pedestrians crowded on sidewalks.  This is not about reducing the number of people in our neighborhood but opening space for them.  And this is not only about opening space for people but improving their experience as they shop, seek entertainment, or just walk. 

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2020, 05:04:17 PM »
Can we close 37th Avenue between say 74 St and 90th Street and also closing 82nd Street between 35 Ave and Roosevelt Ave -- allowing only deliveries and emergency vehicles?

I've appreciate quiet, too. But how could trucks make deliveries to all the stores without disrupting all the pedestrians you envision?

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2020, 06:39:05 PM »
I think they should close 74th street and eliminate a lot of parking so trucks can make more deliveries

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2020, 09:58:22 AM »
In most cities with pedestrian sections store deliveries are usually done at specified times (early morning, overnight etc)  Maybe even during specific daytime hours on weekdays or from side streets.  Many options.  Logistics could be worked out.  We need to begin to put people at the center of planning and not cars and traffic.  Cities are about people, neighborhoods, and moving large groups of people around efficiently.  Cars are best suited for suburbs where businesses are far from residential areas.  In cities residential and business districts overlap and are next to each other, often just blocks away.  What makes NYC great is it is a mosaic of self-sustaining neighborhoods each with its own character.  True, many work outside their neighborhoods and that is where mass transit becomes invaluable.  Having millions of people, moving around the city in cars often one or two people in a vehicle, just doesn't make much sense.  In many European cities residents may own cars but they are used primarily for travel outside the city, often for long trips.

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2020, 01:57:27 PM »
In most cities with pedestrian sections store deliveries are usually done at specified times (early morning, overnight etc)  Maybe even during specific daytime hours on weekdays or from side streets.  Many options.  Logistics could be worked out.  We need to begin to put people at the center of planning and not cars and traffic.  Cities are about people, neighborhoods, and moving large groups of people around efficiently.  Cars are best suited for suburbs where businesses are far from residential areas.  In cities residential and business districts overlap and are next to each other, often just blocks away.  What makes NYC great is it is a mosaic of self-sustaining neighborhoods each with its own character.  True, many work outside their neighborhoods and that is where mass transit becomes invaluable.  Having millions of people, moving around the city in cars often one or two people in a vehicle, just doesn't make much sense.  In many European cities residents may own cars but they are used primarily for travel outside the city, often for long trips.

I agree with you. We can make personal cars obsolete with a combination of better subways, better utilization of commuter rail and autonomous vehicles (that can be shared).

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2020, 10:36:26 AM »
During his daily morning COVID briefing, Mayor De Blasio just announced the closure of 34th Avenue for pedestrian use during the crisis.... 69th through 77th.

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2020, 12:41:34 PM »
 Many of the local civic group and electeds and candidates are behind the push to extend 34th Ave all the way up. Let's see if all of the communities are behind this especially ones closer to Flushing Meadows who may prefer the streets open as they use the fields and paths elsewhere to socially distance. I don't think any one group encompasses this whole avenue and the multiple voices should be heard. People are using it on 34th Avenue but mainly those coming from the high 70's and 80's down to the lower areas of Jackson Heights towards Woodside.

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2020, 01:10:47 PM »
If they close 34th Avenue any further, how will driver's access 78th Street?

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2020, 08:51:32 PM »
Many of the local civic group and electeds and candidates are behind the push to extend 34th Ave all the way up. Let's see if all of the communities are behind this especially ones closer to Flushing Meadows who may prefer the streets open as they use the fields and paths elsewhere to socially distance. I don't think any one group encompasses this whole avenue and the multiple voices should be heard. People are using it on 34th Avenue but mainly those coming from the high 70's and 80's down to the lower areas of Jackson Heights towards Woodside.

Unfortunately the socialists never sleep. The streets are being altered and reassigned according to a plan of which the general population has no say. 88th Street, a narrow one-way, now has a dedicated bike lane and is planned as a bus route. We have no idea what the plan is for parking or driving on that street.

And as frightening as it sounds, "Neighborhood Councils" will be out to keep an eye on us and a nose in our business.

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2020, 11:14:28 PM »
If they close 34th Avenue any further, how will driver's access 78th Street?

Streets are public space, and belong equally to car drivers, people on bikes, and pedestrians. Cars should not have a monopoly on the roads.

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Re: Street Closings
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2020, 11:14:28 PM »