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Offline jeanette

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Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
« Reply #75 on: January 14, 2020, 08:52:08 PM »
There's a new Queens bus redesign in the works and it appears they are completely eliminating the Q49. I've taken the Q49 multiple times and it's always packed because it's useful and important for those on 35th Ave from 77th St. to 88th St.

It also looks like the Q32 and Q33 will be eliminated as well, so there will no longer be bus service that travels on Roosevelt between 82nd and 74th. What are they thinking?

You can voice your displeasure here:
https://new.mta.info/queensbusredesign



Shelby, can you post this on the JHLife twitter account, please?

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Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
« Reply #76 on: January 14, 2020, 08:56:20 PM »
The elimination of the Q49, Q33 and Q32 bus routes will have drastic negative impacts on the Jackson Heights community. There will no longer be any busses going east-west to take people to and from the 74th Street Roosevelt ave subway station. It will prohibit people living within a wide neighborhood from traveling east-west. This will be a severe detriment to the entire neighborhood and especially to older adults, people with disabilities, people with young children, and families taking their children to and from our local schools. This redesign will create inequity in our neighborhood and leave vulnerable populations stranded, unable to access the subway and the wider community.
This is a great template-in-opposition for you to create your feedback to MTA at https://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/app/comments_queensbus
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Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
« Reply #77 on: January 14, 2020, 09:00:53 PM »
People may not like my political viewpoint but the only way you could devise this idiotic bus plan would be have some sinister agenda IMHO. There has to be some motive to cut service to a entire community that has relied on this bus service. It is not just an accident.

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Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
« Reply #78 on: January 14, 2020, 09:04:52 PM »
What do people think of the QT61, an East Elmhurst-Midtown route similar in some ways to the Q32?
I usually take the 32 from 35th Ave. all the way to Penn Station area. One bus ride. I don't see me riding a bus at all now to get to my Spanish classes. Once I'm on the 7 local, I wouldn't transfer to a bus and then yet another transfer(s) in Manhattan to travel south.

For me, the QT61 is pretty much pointless.

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Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
« Reply #79 on: January 14, 2020, 09:09:31 PM »
I guess they plan on making 75th St two way?

Don't take the route details literally.  They are intended to be conceptual, to facilitate discussion about what markets are being served.   Detailed routings and stop locations will be determined in a future phase of the effort.  Your earlier guess that the northbound part of the route would use 74th Street seems like a reasonable assumption for the time being.
I forgot about this. This is the kind of info I suspected you could contribute. This is helpful.

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Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
« Reply #80 on: January 14, 2020, 09:11:10 PM »
It’s super tricky... would love to maintain some semblance of the Q49 for sure (at least horizontally to 74th street), but perhaps with less stops and stops concentrated on blocks furthest from the train like 85th, 93rd/94th, 78th.
This might be a compromise; something to suggest to the MTA. https://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/app/comments_queensbus

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Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
« Reply #81 on: January 14, 2020, 09:15:43 PM »
The MTA obviously believe the subway is a better way to travel around NYC. And I agree. It is.
Yesterday in Sunnyside, I didn't notice or recall any elevators on any of the Queens Blvd.-7 line strip. Just steep, old, narrow stairs.

At any rate, the subway elevators that I've used throughout the City have always been absolutely disgusting, smelly, airless, crowded and possibly dangerous.

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Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
« Reply #82 on: January 14, 2020, 09:22:33 PM »
Could you post this on other social media, Todd? JHL Twitter, et al?
(I added the direct link to contact MTA.)

Can someone share this with JHFamilies?

1. MTA's Queens bus network is really old.  Many of these routes trace century-old streetcar lines, or were inherited from defunct private bus carriers.
2. Some transit agencies can routinely tweak and optimize their networks, but others are so heavily regulated that they cannot do that easily.  MTA is squarely in the latter category -- state law requires extensive public hearings and outreach for even minor route changes, and even small details of its budget are used for football in Albany.  In places like this, a public transit network can grow more and more out of step with the evolving needs of the city it serves.
3. To address this situation, there is a growing trend nationwide of transit agencies undertaking a "clean slate" redesign of their bus networks.  The details vary by agency, but the general goal is to reoptimize service for the public under limited resources.  There are always trade-offs -- for example, you can run buses faster by removing some of the stops, or you can run more frequent service by reducing the number of routes.  MTA is trying to achieve a new balance that brings benefits to the riding public while also attracting new passengers into the system.
4. MTA's proposed redesign is the result of a serious research and planning effort, but it isn't finished.  Public input and feedback are a fundamental part of their process.  If you're interested, I recommend that you review what they're proposing, think about how this will affect your decision to ride the bus in the future, and let the MTA know what you think.
- If you do use the bus, look at the trips you take and see how those trips will change.  Think about bus frequencies and speeds as well as the directness of the trips between your true origin and destination.
- Also take a look at trips within Queens that you make frequently, but drive or take a taxi/car service because the bus is not convenient.  Does this proposal make the bus a better candidate for any of those trips?
- Definitely provide feedback to the MTA. 
https://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/app/comments_queensbus

Here's where to find more information:
https://new.mta.info/queensbusredesign

And here's background on network redesign efforts:
http://transitcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Proceedings-3.pdf
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25487/comprehensive-bus-network-redesigns

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Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
« Reply #83 on: January 15, 2020, 01:17:29 PM »
People may not like my political viewpoint but the only way you could devise this idiotic bus plan would be have some sinister agenda IMHO. There has to be some motive to cut service to a entire community that has relied on this bus service. It is not just an accident.

There is no sinister motive. What has happened is how all centralized bureaucracies work.  From a basic platform/vision. "Get folks to the nearest subway stop" seems to be that idea in this case.

Bureaucracies have no idea about the nuanced effects of their visions because they don't live here. They are oblivious. And this is why centralized planning often makes mistakes by not keeping specific community needs in mind.

You are giving a bureaucracy far too much sophistication in their planning with your accusations of malevolent intent.



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Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
« Reply #84 on: January 16, 2020, 09:39:20 AM »
Is the best way to address this to release crazy maps calling to eliminate bus lines and have people show up in a panic? It seems cruel to me.

https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/queens/riders-confront-transit-officials-about-changes-to-bus-routes-in-queens

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Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
« Reply #85 on: January 16, 2020, 09:54:23 AM »
Is the best way to address this to release crazy maps calling to eliminate bus lines and have people show up in a panic? It seems cruel to me.

https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/queens/riders-confront-transit-officials-about-changes-to-bus-routes-in-queens

Putting it mildly, to say that MTA policy and planners are out of touch with reality is to state the obvious.

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Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
« Reply #86 on: January 16, 2020, 06:23:19 PM »
It's almost as if we don't life in the richest city in the world

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Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
« Reply #87 on: January 16, 2020, 10:22:14 PM »
I got a mailer from Sen. Ramos today.  She is hosting a town hall about the proposed bus network on January 24 from 6:30-8:30pm at First Baptist Church, 100-10 Astoria Blvd. 

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Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
« Reply #88 on: January 17, 2020, 10:19:15 AM »
More Ideas. Wider Discussion.

Queens Bus Network Redesign - Discussion Group
Dedicated FB page; a Queens wide discussion of the impending disaster
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2461933217469066/

Facebook Groups Jackson Heights, NY 11372
Tries to keep the focus on JH
https://www.facebook.com/groups/jacksonheights/

Queens Neighborhoods United
You'd think they'd be all over this, but no tweets as of this writing:
https://twitter.com/QueensBarrios?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Only one entry about bus disaster so far:
https://www.facebook.com/QueensNeighborhoodsUnited/

Queens Community Board 3 Contact Page
Next monthly meeting is Thurs. Feb. 20 (also have a transportation cmte):
http://www.cb3qn.nyc.gov/?p=1632

Queens Borough Presidency is currently vacant.

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Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2020, 10:54:57 AM »
This July 2019 article https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2019/07/04/the-rumor-mill-separating-fact-from-fiction-in-andrew-cuomos-bid-to-sideline-andy-byford/ gives us a rear view look into what Byford-- or more like Cuomo, is doing to us.

Byford supposedly resigned in October, but shortly reneged. https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2019/10/18/sources-last-week-byford-resigned-from-mta-hes-now-reconsidering-1225679

And then there's this, which just might make your blood boil:
"The agency also wants to spend $2.5 billion on 2,375 new city buses, including 500 electric buses at $2.2 million a pop."
https://nypost.com/2019/09/16/mta-unveils-51-5b-plan-to-fix-nycs-decrepit-subway-and-bus-systems/

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Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2020, 10:54:57 AM »