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Armen Meschian
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Re: Imagine you are the seller of this listing ...
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2019, 08:18:29 AM »
Yes, it shows horribly. But if the floor plan was featured one might be able to see beyond the mess. It could be an entry level apartment for someone who wants to own rather than rent and for someone who has a lot of imagination.

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Re: Imagine you are the seller of this listing ...
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2019, 01:42:35 PM »
It hurts my eyes.  8)

But I wonder if it's possible there are tenants living in it and they only way the seller can photograph it for sale is in its current tenant-messy state.

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Re: Imagine you are the seller of this listing ...
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2019, 02:33:20 PM »
I think that's the point.....the owners should have cleaned up for the pictures......and cleaned up, as necessary, before the apartment was shown. 

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2019, 11:12:46 PM »
I think that's the point.....the owners should have cleaned up for the pictures......and cleaned up, as necessary, before the apartment was shown.

I think you misunderstood what I said. I mentioned there could be tenants in it. As far as I know, landlords can’t just go in a tenant’s apartment and start cleaning up their belongings. NYC is very tenant friendly and landlords are not free to enter a tenant’s apartment  just because they want to.

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Re: Imagine you are the seller of this listing ...
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2019, 01:15:39 PM »
Honestly, I think agency bares a burden on this one. This is not an owner DIY FSBO scenario. This is an AGENCY listing.

If you have a property that shows poorly and owner is not able to change anything about it for whatever the circumstances are, why would you go and take flip phone quality photos of a dirty sink, open toiled lid, dirty laundry and a messy room and make them public?!

Unfortunately this is not an isolated incident. We have come across many like listings. I remember one that had a Raid can on display in the center. Each is an example of poorly represented client, plain and simple.
Armen Meschian
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673 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10065
t:     212-612-9694
c:     917-848-6928
f:     212-612-9650
am@corenyc.com

http://www.JacksonHeightsListings.com

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Re: Imagine you are the seller of this listing ...
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2019, 03:09:43 PM »
To Shelby 2 -- My bad, I did not read your comment closely enough (I think the disgusting apartment clouded my brain.).

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Re: Imagine you are the seller of this listing ...
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2019, 03:31:59 PM »
Honestly, I think agency bares a burden on this one. This is not an owner DIY FSBO scenario. This is an AGENCY listing.

If you have a property that shows poorly and owner is not able to change anything about it for whatever the circumstances are, why would you go and take flip phone quality photos of a dirty sink, open toiled lid, dirty laundry and a messy room and make them public?!

Unfortunately this is not an isolated incident. We have come across many like listings. I remember one that had a Raid can on display in the center. Each is an example of poorly represented client, plain and simple.

Maybe it would be better to show the floor plan and the outside of the building and the lobby, and that's it.

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Re: Imagine you are the seller of this listing ...
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2019, 01:23:18 PM »
Shelby2:  There's a realtor with 30 years experience and very competent who has a one bedroom listing at the Fillmore that needs a total renovation.  The three photos he shows are the front of the building, garden and floor plan.   I should also mention that agentarmen is also very highly experienced and competent and works for a respected real estate firm. 

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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2019, 02:01:43 PM »
Shelby2:  There's a realtor with 30 years experience and very competent who has a one bedroom listing at the Fillmore that needs a total renovation.  The three photos he shows are the front of the building, garden and floor plan.   I should also mention that agentarmen is also very highly experienced and competent and works for a respected real estate firm.

It sounds like we agree. My idea for this one lines up with the Fillmore presentation  you mentioned, and yes, I’ve noticed agentarmen is competent and respected, not to mention an excellent and reliable contributor to this site.

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Re: Imagine you are the seller of this listing ...
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2019, 03:39:24 PM »
Armen, I understand your intention in trying to educate others on how an agent should not represent a client, but I believe it's not professional to publicly shame another agent on their listing, especially when their information is noted.

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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2019, 04:50:34 PM »
What I want to know is why is there a shower curtain at the entrance to the kitchen?

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Re: Imagine you are the seller of this listing ...
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2019, 05:20:49 PM »
Armen, I understand your intention in trying to educate others on how an agent should not represent a client, but I believe it's not professional to publicly shame another agent on their listing, especially when their information is noted.

Ditto. Plus, at least these photos are honest. Some agents use Photoshop to manipulate their images and even use camera tricks to make all the rooms look way more spacious than they are. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, Armen.

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Re: Imagine you are the seller of this listing ...
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2019, 07:29:01 AM »
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If you have a property that shows poorly and owner is not able to change anything about it for whatever the circumstances are, why would you go and take flip phone quality photos of a dirty sink, open toiled lid, dirty laundry and a messy room and make them public?!

Unfortunately this is not an isolated incident. We have come across many like listings. I remember one that had a Raid can on display in the center. Each is an example of poorly represented client, plain and simple.

The photos are using a wide angle lens, so I doubt it's a flip camera phone.

When I see listings like this I assume there's a renter, which would make me wonder as a buyer what the terms of their lease are and when I'd get access to the apartment.

When I was buying, I taught myself to look past a cluttered, messy apartment with bad paint color choices and garish curtains, knowing that so many other buyers weren't able to do so and passed on making offers on decent enough apartments. Because I had a budget and knew I couldn't afford a move-in ready, recently renovated apartment.

What's really egregious is that whoever took the photos couldn't even be bothered to remove that wadded up paper towel in one of the kitchen shots, and someone thought "no problem with that picture!"

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Re: Imagine you are the seller of this listing ...
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2019, 02:21:21 PM »
Armen, I understand your intention in trying to educate others on how an agent should not represent a client, but I believe it's not professional to publicly shame another agent on their listing, especially when their information is noted.

dlines, I see your point of view. My intent is certainly not to sugarcoat or compliment what is a publicly posted listing and certainly have many opinions of my own, which I've tightly reserved. What I've laid out is fact. Any feelings or judgements that arise from examination of the fact are natural consequence. I hope that's something we can agree on.

StevenGrey - Photoshop, Lightroom, HDR, Video, high-end cameras are all modern tools which are designed to best show a property, not change it or alter it, or make the image quote "dishonest". Just the opposite. Those tools are to best show what is there. Believe me dirty dishes in a sink would look equally awful in High Definition :) 

Shelby2 - I agree with you, a simple floor plan and a facade photo would have been better. Working with the tenant (if rented) and a cleaning service or waiting to list until after the tenant has move out is also an alternative.

As a general note, any public post like this that I make, I do not post lightly and my message is not intended to broker community but to general public. I firmly believe, owners can and should expect more from the brokerages they put their faith in and yes, I am occasionally vocal about it :) .
Armen Meschian
Licensed Associate Real Estate Broker

CORE
673 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10065
t:     212-612-9694
c:     917-848-6928
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am@corenyc.com

http://www.JacksonHeightsListings.com

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Re: Imagine you are the seller of this listing ...
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2019, 02:21:21 PM »