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Offline Chingwa

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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2019, 05:16:34 PM »
Paying half your monthly income on rent is far from ideal, but it's pretty typical in this city... at $15 an hour / 40 hours a week, you should be able to afford $1000 studio with a bit of planning.  Or like hum@jukebox1 said, get some roomates.

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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2019, 06:13:59 PM »
Or move

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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2019, 09:51:33 AM »
where in the city can you find a studio for $1000 or less a month in rent?

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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2019, 10:18:43 AM »
I'm from one of the 190+ countries in the world where tipping isn't nearly as customary as in the US. Same thing goes for metric system to which I wish the US had long ago converted.

I wish for people in the US to be paid a decent wage and for consumers not to have to stop and think about how much to tip right when they're having a good time with their friends at a restaurant.

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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2019, 02:20:55 PM »
Lots of tone deaf people on this forum who think working $15/hour is a normal wage. You do realize people making $15/hr can't even afford to go to a doctor, right? It's about time Americans stopped keeping wages at such a pathetic low. What's so scary about giving people in other sectors the right to a comfortable life? It's all based on fear and keeping the less educated in a cycle of poverty.

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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2019, 02:41:41 PM »
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It's all based on fear and keeping the less educated in a cycle of poverty.
No it isn't.  It's based on the idea that people get out of this life what they put into it.  We are all equal under the law.  But that is where our equality ends.  Every person has their own strengths and weaknesses, what they do with those are up to them.  I am not responsible for your victories or failures, nor the insurance for you to achieve your goals in life.

Besides, I thought the raising of the minimum wage to $15 was supposed to be a great victory for the everyman???  Now that victory is achieved it suddenly isn't a "living wage" and people are immediately pushing for more.  News at 11, people getting handouts want bigger handouts!  Color me shocked.

You don't have the right to a comfortable life.  You have the right to a life.  Now go out and make it comfortable for yourself and keep me out of it.

TLDR, Keep your hands out of my pockets.

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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2019, 05:39:24 PM »
Happy for you that you never feel the need to ask for a raise - but do you regard your wages/salary as a hand-out rather than an exchange for work performed??

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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2019, 05:49:35 PM »
$15 an hour isn't a living wage in NYC, San Francisco, and other high cost cities.

Those restaurants we like to go to, with decent food and a cut above standing in line at Chipotle, well they want their line cooks to come to them already trained (think CIA). Those same restaurants also want to only pay trained and highly skilled staff only $12/hour with zero benefits aside from the NYC required 5 paid sick days a year.

I tend to think if you can't pay your staff a living wage, your business just isn't successful enough to stay in business.

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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2019, 01:25:19 PM »
I tend to think if you can't pay your staff a living wage, your business just isn't successful enough to stay in business.

Business owners are going to do what they have to in order to stay in business, and I don't blame them.  That means fewer jobs, more automation, and everyone gets to pay more for things to subsidize employees with jobs that pay more than they are worth to the business.   If you can't make it in a high cost of living city one can improve themselves by learning a trade or getting an education, getting a second job, living with a roommate, or getting out of Dodge to some other place with a lower cost of living.  $15 an hour is plenty for an unskilled job.  An entry level welder in NYC makes $15.38.

As someone else in this thread already said, "Keep your hands out of my pockets."   



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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2019, 05:38:03 PM »
^Your understanding of what is skilled and unskilled labor seems rather off. FYI, welders typically go to some kind trade school to learn welding. It is not an unskilled job. Line cooks at the restaurants you like to frequent are often required to have culinary school training. It is not an unskilled job.

Cashier would be an example of a job that is unskilled.

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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2019, 06:07:58 PM »
I think deja is making the comparison that an entry level welder IS a skilled job and it now makes the same as an unskilled job.

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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2019, 09:27:08 AM »
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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2019, 12:58:05 PM »
Home care workers make minimum wage. we entrust our elderly and handicapped relatives to them. at $7.50 per hour (which is no longer the prevailing wage of course), we were expecting decent care. why on earth should workers make any effort at all at a job that keeps them in poverty?

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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2019, 04:16:27 PM »
Americans are best off either dirt poor or filthy rich. At $15/hr, a full time worker pays taxes, loses earned income credit, won't make the cut for Medicaid, is expected to pay for school lunches (if they're honest), and likely does not qualify for other benefits that I am unaware of or have slipped my mind. Depending on living arrangement, it could even effect FAFSA. Yet it's not enough money to save to buy an apartment, which is the one thing that is needed in order to not be a slave to a brutal rental market.

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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2019, 11:14:47 AM »
Home care workers make minimum wage. we entrust our elderly and handicapped relatives to them. at $7.50 per hour (which is no longer the prevailing wage of course), we were expecting decent care. why on earth should workers make any effort at all at a job that keeps them in poverty?

You are incorrect, but don't take my word for it:  https://www.indeed.com/salaries/Home-Health-Aide-Salaries,-New-York-NY

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Re: If service people are making $15 an hour why do we still tip?
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2019, 11:14:47 AM »