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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2019, 11:03:48 PM »
The Mayor has spoken and allocated $53+ million to put protected bike lanes a few neighborhoods. One is Jackson Heights, so there will be a protected bike lane on 37th or 35 Ave. You can’t have bicyclists murdered by cars and believe the city will do nothing. Desperate times call for desperate measures. People will have to adapt to ride bicycles and not drive.

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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2019, 08:02:36 PM »
People drive for a reason.  Bikes don't replace cars for the large majority of those reasons.  "Adapting" has very little to do with it.

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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2019, 07:36:49 AM »
We have a Vision Zero toleration for pedestrians and bicyclists deaths. The mayor will allocate money to build protected bike lanes in Jackson Heights as decided by the NYC DOT. The city wants people to sell their cars and use Uber or Lyft. In order to decrease congestion and facilitate bicycle use we need east west protected bike lanes on preferably on 37th Avenue. The city is already removing parking from Central Park west. This also supports the green new deal proposed by AOC.

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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2019, 07:45:42 AM »
People drive for a reason.  Bikes don't replace cars for the large majority of those reasons.  "Adapting" has very little to do with it.


Things change for reasons too

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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2019, 10:11:52 AM »
 If that’s the case, then why is the city fighting to give illegals a drivers license? Would that just make the roads much more crowded? Let them ride bikes

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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2019, 12:15:14 PM »
Localize.nyc recently did a study on the most dangerous intersections in the city.

According to their analysis, the most dangerous intersection for cyclists in Queens, with 12 injuries in a five-year period, is 58th Street and Roosevelt Ave in Woodside.

https://labs.localize.city/nycs-most-dangerous-intersections-for-cyclists/

So that certainly seems like a candidate for protected lanes and/or improved traffic patterns. That intersection is a mess for everyone, including drivers and pedestrians.


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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2019, 10:26:04 PM »
Why don’t they just ban all trucks and cars entirely?

Because some people need them. It's rather narrow-minded to assume everyone has the ability to get around without auto transport. How do goods get in to the many shops that line streets? How to people who have accessibility issues get out and about?

Car bans aren't happening, it's not even remotely in the realm of realism.

We're not talking about things that are not necessary like.. guns for example.

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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2019, 10:19:50 AM »
With this “Green Wave” we will also need protected bike lanes that run north and south. This will necessitate the removal of parking on four streets at a minimum. 74th and 75th and 82nd and 83rd are the most likely candidates. Probably Junction Blvd. and 108th streets will also be needed. With 58 million from the city this neighborhood  will soon be bike heaven. 

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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2019, 10:51:38 AM »
 A young woman I know is a new social worker in Queens with high needs, mentally challenged
clients. She sometimes spends 1-2 hours getting to her people because many are located far
from transit in other parts of the borough. She needs a car IMHO but is reluctant to buy one
because of all of the backlash to having one here. We need to understand that for some people
having a car is really key to their best mobility and most productive lives. Biking is not feasible
in every person's life and we have to be kinder about understanding all positions. I fear that this
competent and caring young woman will burn out on her job because of the stress of transit
- among other things- and not having a car.

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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2019, 11:50:28 AM »
A young woman I know is a new social worker in Queens with high needs, mentally challenged
clients. She sometimes spends 1-2 hours getting to her people because many are located far
from transit in other parts of the borough. She needs a car IMHO but is reluctant to buy one
because of all of the backlash to having one here. We need to understand that for some people
having a car is really key to their best mobility and most productive lives. Biking is not feasible
in every person's life and we have to be kinder about understanding all positions. I fear that this
competent and caring young woman will burn out on her job because of the stress of transit
- among other things- and not having a car.

It sounds like she's too worried about others' perceptions of her. If she needs a car to do her job and make her life sane, then she should get one.

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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2019, 12:48:52 PM »
 She is concerned about the very idea of someone who is a NYer in their early 20's, and a progressive,
should need a car. But the particulars of her work suggest to me that she not wear this hair shirt,
so to speak, and struggle through some crazy transit situations just to be looking forward in life.
Some of the bus rides in other areas of Queens are interminably long and for the greater good, I
think her life is better with a car for her work as transit is a long way from improving in many areas
of the borough.

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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2019, 10:43:43 PM »
Given the high costs of insurance, maintenance, fuel, and parking, many New Yorkers in her situation find it more cost-effective (and convenient) to use car services (or taxis, Lyft, etc.) instead of owning a car.

NYC's streets have fundamentally been engineered to facilitate car traffic.  Nothing the mayor is proposing will change that.  There's nothing radical about replacing a small share of the city's vast supply of subsidized car storage space with some space to ensure that cyclists can travel safely.  I personally own a car, and enjoy  the privilege of parking on the streets for free.   But the suggestion that this convenience has a greater social value than the lives of our neighbors who bike is monstrous.  So, yes, I support efforts to develop a protected bike lane network.

That said, most of the avenues in our neighborhood are not well suited for protected bike lanes.  For the reasons others have cited, it will be difficult to install protected lanes on 34th Ave without destroying the medians.   Commercial streets like 37th and Roosevelt have a lot of activity at the curb and short-term parking activity, so aren't ideal for bike lanes either.  35th Ave. could work, but it doesn't connect well with the street network outside of Jackson Heights.   From a connectivity perspective, 31st Ave. and Woodside Ave. are worth considering, but these are far from the core of our neighborhood.

One alternative that the city may propose, because it has proposed several times in the past, is making 35th Avenue and 37th Avenue a one-way pair.   This would provide plenty of room for protected bike lanes, while also helping make the streets safer for both motorists and pedestrians by reducing the number of turning conflicts.  Years ago, I was strongly opposed to converting these avenues to one-way operations because it could turn them into speedways.  But if the proposal is combined with a protected bike lanes, and a slower traffic light progression (timed to optimizing traffic speeds at 20 mph), I now think it would be a very positive improvement for the neighborhood.   What do you think?
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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2019, 11:12:28 PM »
The Mayor has spoken and allocated $53+ million to put protected bike lanes a few neighborhoods. One is Jackson Heights, so there will be a protected bike lane on 37th or 35 Ave. You can’t have bicyclists murdered by cars and believe the city will do nothing. Desperate times call for desperate measures. People will have to adapt to ride bicycles and not drive.

We need to get rid of taxis and have more pedicabs for local trips. 

As far as cyclists are concerned, there should be more regulations.  IMHO, I think that cyclists should take some sort of safety courses, be licensed and insured, require wearing helmets, and have front and rear safety lights.  There are far too many cyclists who ride recklessly and may even contribute to their own injuries and/or deaths to some extent.

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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2019, 12:43:18 PM »
 WNYC's Brian Lehrer recently did a segment on his radio show titled How to Stay Safe
While Cycling in NYC. It's informative and one personal note he added amazed me which is
that he can bike to work from Inwood to lower Manhattan all the way on protected bike
lanes down the West Side.
This is astonishing and wonderful for him but so so different
from the cycling commute most people have- which he fully admits.

It's worth a listen ---    https://www.wnyc.org/story/bike-safety/

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Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2019, 12:43:18 PM »