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From Mother Jones:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Walked Into a Bar…And Poured Scorn on the Minimum Wage


Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) at the Queensboro Restaurant in QueensDrew Angerer/Getty

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez walked into a bar...(the Queensboro)
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2019, 11:43:52 AM »
this was ALL over major news outlets. The Guardian, NYT, CNN, BBC etc. The queensboro just got a little famous.....

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez walked into a bar...(the Queensboro)
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2019, 01:07:26 PM »
The Queensboro could spearhead this. Pay its bar and wait staff and backs $15/hr and pass the cost along to the customers. Disallow tips. Just for a month, as an experiment.

Personally, I see an unintended problem with creating an elite customer base. Queensboro did a $20 pour, so you're out of luck if you want to spend 8 or 12 dollars.

I think it would absolutely crush something like a Lalo's. Lalo's would be forced to operate as a food truck.

Perhaps the reason tipping works is that the customer is sated or tipsy as the term implies, and becomes less inhibited in minding their money.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2019, 01:14:19 PM by jeanette »

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez walked into a bar...(the Queensboro)
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2019, 01:21:31 PM »
if the minimum wage were pegged to cost of living when it was introduced, it would now be between $21 and $22 per hour.
i go to many no-tipping places. all pay their workers -- front and back of house -- much better than the average (some up to $20 per hour). none are diners or fast food places, granted, but it works. they've survived and thrived, and none of them charge $20 for a cocktail.
is the Queensboro a place for the one percent to gather perhaps. and if so, what's wrong with that? there are constant cries on this board for more elitist eateries, aren't there?

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez walked into a bar...(the Queensboro)
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2019, 01:36:57 PM »
There are no cries for elitist eateries in Jackson Heights. Do you think the Queensboro can rely on the 1% to survive in JH? People wanted and got a Queensboro, a neighborhood eatery. It was never promoted as an elitist eatery. If it were, it would not have gotten our support. We are not snobs here.

Let's stay on the subject. Will the immigrant restaurants also be required to pay $15 for wait/bar/back staff? Can a Lalo's, which is not even "immigrant" but a small group of investor-operators, survive under such requirements?
« Last Edit: June 02, 2019, 01:43:25 PM by jeanette »

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez walked into a bar...(the Queensboro)
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2019, 02:18:51 PM »
@jeanette: There are plenty of examples from states that raised the minimum wage where businesses have adapted and thrived, along with those that have relocated or pared down. In a tight job market, like the current one, the pay could be the differential that allows businesses to grow. So, an increase in wage doesn't necessarily mean stifled business growth. It's also often argued that workers who are better off would spend more, thus fueling the economy further. I for one would love to see poverty among working people reduced, and more policies focused on workers' well-being.

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez walked into a bar...(the Queensboro)
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2019, 02:26:43 PM »
there are exemptions for businesses with a very small number of employees (i believe it's ten or fewer, with family members not counted).
many high-end restaurants are owned by immigrants. people from France, Italy, the U.K. or, like our M.I.A. friend Stew, Canada. i'd imagine they'd be included in the mix.

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez walked into a bar...(the Queensboro)
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2019, 03:33:05 PM »
The waiter is paid $15, but so is the customer. Everything is equal, except that it's not. Equality is a mirage.

Exploitation of others is a fact of life. It doesn't have to be viewed as cruel or unequal. It won't disappear by a $15 wage. Isn't the bartender taking advantage of people's weakness, their vice if you will, when they place an alcoholic beverage in front of someone in exchange for their money and perhaps their health? AOC paints the waitress as a victim. She's not.

We're always reading articles about how "others" are flourishing under the principles of equality. From happiness studies to "better health outcomes." Except that the world turns. I can list 50 countries that used to be socialist that no longer are.

I'm not opposed to a $15 minimum wage. We can certainly improve and we're in pretty good economic shape to be exploring changes to the way we do business. I'm just not convinced that predeterminist social structuring produces a positive net result over time. I'm looking at the bigger picture.

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez walked into a bar...(the Queensboro)
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2019, 03:40:31 PM »
i'm a customer. i earn more than $15 per hour. i work in a relatively low-paying profession. i'd venture that most CPAs, engineers, IT professionals, lawyers and RNs earn more than $15 per hour, too.

most countries with better standards of living, better health, better education and more "happiness" are at least partially socialist. people gladly pay taxes in order to live well. people in the US gladly exchange their health and happiness for imaginary tax cuts. that's part of why America is on its way out.

and i'd love to hear that list of 50 countries, by the way.

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez walked into a bar...(the Queensboro)
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2019, 07:26:07 PM »
It's a really complicated topic. The Queensboro (which I love) is already quite pricey. Increasing the workers' wages and passing along the cost to customers--well, I wonder how well that would work. Which is the reason why a number of restaurant workers are against this effort. People tip because they understand that tips constitute the salaries of the employees--not because they are "tipsy" and thus less careful with their money. I don't know what the answer is. It's outrageous that such a large portion of the working population cannot support themselves on their wages.

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez walked into a bar...(the Queensboro)
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2019, 07:26:07 PM »