Author Topic: Nine stories not enough, city planners approve four more at "Target" building  (Read 14213 times)

Offline KGDHP

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i don't have the time to research your C.V. since i work two jobs.

Cool, so I'm gonna stop this convo right here before this thread gets shut down and and get us back on track on the topic at hand...aka the wonderful world of Target.

I'm going to say my peace here and then I'll leave it. I'm an unapologetic fan of Target and I'm excited that they'll be in the community. For those that aren't, don't shop there. For those that constantly bemoan the state of Roosevelt avenue, here's a chance to attract quality stores to that area which we desperately need.

To those that have ample time to file lawsuits unlike dssjh and myself, I don't have anything more to say to you.

Offline Shelby2

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The activists are complaining that it’s a “destination” store. It’s not! It’s a MINI Target. Anyone who’s been to one would know it’s too small to be a destination, especially when there are two really large full size Targets close by that are easy to access by public transportation. QNU will complain about anything and everything. Please just go away.

Offline abcdefghijk

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I would say that starting a neighborhood petition with community signatures pro-Target coming might be helpful in any court case.

Offline Jeffsayyes

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Seems pretty clear that the zoning says nothing more than 10k sq feet is allowed, and they are putting 23k place in. Their argument is that it's underground? huh? So if it was on the 2nd floor, would that be fine?


It is a shame though that people seem to have to be handcuffed not to go to stupid Target.... I'm personally okay with taking the train a few stops if I need the stuff. Just went to Aldi yesterday and it was excellent. We already have plenty of stores for anything, and you can buy Target stuff online.



I do think that the group is a little clumsy but at least they are fighting for the neighborhood.

Offline KGDHP

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I do think that the group is a little clumsy but at least they are fighting for the neighborhood.

I agree. I personally wish that they would fight/put their energy towards more constructive things. For example, it looks like they are the main backers/supporters of Centro Corona, which is a community center for youth. They also fight to protect street vendors. I have mixed feelings on the latter, but I would argue that both are examples of where QNU puts their energy towards positive change.

This constant animosity towards Target, Sunnyside Yards, etc., in my opinion is not a positive use of their time. How about they start contributing to solutions to some of the real issues we face - trash, criminal activity on Roosevelt, lack of youth programs, helping the community through career counseling, etc.? Oh right...they don't want gentrification. So they'd prefer to fight not to have anything change.

You know they actually said in opposition to Amazon that "these jobs are not for us?" That is such TWISTED logic when you think about it. Why wouldn't a youth from the neighborhood be eligible for a corporate (or other) job? I seriously did not like their message after that - so negative.

Offline jadasie

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The point about Amazon is that skilled computer programmers, software engineers, IT people, etc--no matter what community they come from--are already in high demand in New York. So those would-be Amazon jobs would need to be staffed by people who do not yet call NYC home. The assumption, and I don't think a wrong one, is that developers and landlords, even out here, would have used the opportunity to raise rents (even more so).

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The point about Amazon is that skilled computer programmers, software engineers, IT people, etc--no matter what community they come from--are already in high demand in New York. So those would-be Amazon jobs would need to be staffed by people who do not yet call NYC home. The assumption, and I don't think a wrong one, is that developers and landlords, even out here, would have used the opportunity to raise rents (even more so).



That's such warped logic. The positive way forward is for the kids of immigrants to get an education and OBTAIN THOSE HIGH PAYING JOBS.  It's an opportunity to advance. That's what's always happened with immigrants in the past.  Immigration is for the kids of immigrants. A better future.... Since Ellis Island days. 

Those kids of immigrants could be hiring us!

Offline JK resident

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It is a well established zoning rule that basements and cellars are not considered square footage for purposes of calculating the floor area maximum that can be built on any piece of property in NYC. Also mechanical space doesn’t count. This whole lawsuit is a complete waste of time and should be thrown out. So 10k is on the first floor and up.

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That's such warped logic. The positive way forward is for the kids of immigrants to get an education and OBTAIN THOSE HIGH PAYING JOBS.  It's an opportunity to advance. That's what's always happened with immigrants in the past.  Immigration is for the kids of immigrants. A better future.... Since Ellis Island days. 

Those kids of immigrants could be hiring us!

I'm not sure what point you're responding to, but it doesn't seem to be mine. Who said anything against immigrants getting an education and obtaining those high paying jobs? Did I? Did I imply it? No. What I said is that because tech workers don't generally have trouble finding good-paying jobs in NYC, Amazon's LIC headquarters would have had to been staffed by people lured from elsewhere, i.e., other tech hubs where pay is also good.

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That's such warped logic. The positive way forward is for the kids of immigrants to get an education and OBTAIN THOSE HIGH PAYING JOBS.  It's an opportunity to advance. That's what's always happened with immigrants in the past.  Immigration is for the kids of immigrants. A better future.... Since Ellis Island days. 

Those kids of immigrants could be hiring us!

I'm not sure what point you're responding to, but it doesn't seem to be mine. Who said anything against immigrants getting an education and obtaining those high paying jobs? Did I? Did I imply it? No. What I said is that because tech workers don't generally have trouble finding good-paying jobs in NYC, Amazon's LIC headquarters would have had to been staffed by people lured from elsewhere, i.e., other tech hubs where pay is also good.

LIC, Queens is a luxury enclave that's had stratospheric rents for 15 years now. Folks are 20-25 years too late to stop rents rising there...that's when it was rezoned I believe.   And that's the neighborhood that would've been affected.

The kids of immigrants could aspire to being able to afford the "high life" in LIC.

The American Dream.

Offline Meowtron

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Would love a target here... I grew up nearby with the target in Elmhurst and it was great! One within walking distance will save time plus there are plenty of brands I can buy that the local stores here don’t carry. I don’t expect this to happen, but if it brings a touch more safety and cleanliness to Roosevelt, it wouldn’t be the worst thing.




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How about they start contributing to solutions to some of the real issues we face - trash, criminal activity on Roosevelt, lack of youth programs, helping the community through career counseling, etc.? Oh right...they don't want gentrification. So they'd prefer to fight not to have anything change.

Hear, hear.  The answer to fighting gentrification can't be that we should keep everything crappy so that nobody would want to live here.  We need affordable housing.  We need improved education.  We need better transit.

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How about they start contributing to solutions to some of the real issues we face - trash, criminal activity on Roosevelt, lack of youth programs, helping the community through career counseling, etc.? Oh right...they don't want gentrification. So they'd prefer to fight not to have anything change.

Hear, hear.  The answer to fighting gentrification can't be that we should keep everything crappy so that nobody would want to live here.  We need affordable housing.  We need improved education.  We need better transit.

Totally agree. Also being told what stores we are allowed to have and where we can and cannot shop in our own neighborhood is VERY annoying.

And UNdemocratic in spirit.

I've said it before...the will of the people will manifest in how and where they spend their money.
Not how and where they are "forced" to spend their money.


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