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Offline JHMNY

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From the Jackson Heights Post:

Final Decision Concerning Fate of 82nd Street Target to Be Made June 4: BSA

Community members in opposition to the plan also argue that Target is a “big box department store” and that the BSA should therefore block it from opening on these grounds alone. They also note that the developers are using a loophole to get around the 10,000 square feet requirement.

A representative of Congress Member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez read a letter condemning the developers’ zoning argument.

“I am submitting a letter in support of community demands to stop Target and potential negative effects… this development goes against the spirit and intent of the zoning regulation,” a representative from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s office said.

Queens Neighborhood United, a grass-roots group that has been leading the charge to prevent the development, argues that the Target store would contribute to the displacement of residents and small businesses in the Elmhurst and Jackson Heights area.

The group took legal action last year after the Department of Buildings announced the building and Target conformed with zoning. The group took the issue up with the BSA.

Co Founder of QNU, Tania Mattos, who spoke at the hearing, said that most small businesses, local politicians, and community members have stood with QNU in opposition of the development.


Full article at above link.

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From the Jackson Heights Post:

Final Decision Concerning Fate of 82nd Street Target to Be Made June 4: BSA

Community members in opposition to the plan also argue that Target is a “big box department store” and that the BSA should therefore block it from opening on these grounds alone. They also note that the developers are using a loophole to get around the 10,000 square feet requirement.

A representative of Congress Member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez read a letter condemning the developers’ zoning argument.

“I am submitting a letter in support of community demands to stop Target and potential negative effects… this development goes against the spirit and intent of the zoning regulation,” a representative from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s office said.

Queens Neighborhood United, a grass-roots group that has been leading the charge to prevent the development, argues that the Target store would contribute to the displacement of residents and small businesses in the Elmhurst and Jackson Heights area.

The group took legal action last year after the Department of Buildings announced the building and Target conformed with zoning. The group took the issue up with the BSA.

Co Founder of QNU, Tania Mattos, who spoke at the hearing, said that most small businesses, local politicians, and community members have stood with QNU in opposition of the development.


Full article at above link.

Make Jackson Heights poor again.

As someone pointed out a while ago, (generally) the owners of these small stores in the area, the 99 cents stores, the pharmacies, etc., do not even live in the area. They live in the suburbs with their families, living the American dream. Many of them are members of Price Club.

But, because of the loud mouths, we can not have decent stores.

I like OAC but she is a bit wacky and gullible.

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I would normally oppose a big box store coming to the community. But I'm changing my stance in that regard for two reasons.

1) I have no confidence in the small stores surviving. They have short lifespans and are personal more so than community investments.

2) I want shops that will have the interest and the guts to sell "Made in the USA." That's nearly an impossibility in our locally owned or run stores.

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I would normally oppose a big box store coming to the community. But I'm changing my stance in that regard for two reasons.

1) I have no confidence in the small stores surviving. They have short lifespans and are personal more so than community investments.

2) I want shops that will have the interest and the guts to sell "Made in the USA." That's nearly an impossibility in our locally owned or run stores.

This is interesting.
Made in the USA = expensive
Compared with Made in China, Bengaldesh etc

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This is interesting.
Made in the USA = expensive
Compared with Made in China, Bengaldesh etc

Not an issue for me. I would rather have one made in USA item than 10 from China.

What makes things expensive is better paid labor. We say we support unions & higher minimum wage, but buy non union and low wage??? How do you square that?

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A representative of Congress Member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez read a letter condemning the developers’ zoning argument.

“I am submitting a letter in support of community demands to stop Target and potential negative effects… this development goes against the spirit and intent of the zoning regulation,” a representative from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s office said.

Queens Neighborhood United, a grass-roots group that has been leading the charge to prevent the development, argues that the Target store would contribute to the displacement of residents and small businesses in the Elmhurst and Jackson Heights area.

What jumps out here is the AOC and QNU connection that was also prevalent in the beginnings of the Amazon resistance. QNU is no small local group doing inconsequential things. It is socialist and racist and has the support of many if not all of our pols.

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I would normally oppose a big box store coming to the community. But I'm changing my stance in that regard for two reasons.

1) I have no confidence in the small stores surviving. They have short lifespans and are personal more so than community investments.

2) I want shops that will have the interest and the guts to sell "Made in the USA." That's nearly an impossibility in our locally owned or run stores.

if you want to buy "made in the USA," you definitely don't want a Target here.

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You're either jumping ahead of yourself or living in the past. Things are changing vis a vis Chinese products. We don't know yet to what extent tariffs will affect our purchases or alternative imports, or how it will affect US manufacturing in the future.

Would you care to comment on this point? What makes things expensive is better paid labor. We say we support unions & higher minimum wage, but buy non union and low wage??? How do you square that?


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You're either jumping ahead of yourself or living in the past. Things are changing vis a vis Chinese products. We don't know yet to what extent tariffs will affect our purchases or alternative imports, or how it will affect US manufacturing in the future.

Would you care to comment on this point? What makes things expensive is better paid labor. We say we support unions & higher minimum wage, but buy non union and low wage??? How do you square that?

We either live in

1. A global economy where manufacturing is outsourced overseas and these jobs are gone and new industries take their place.

2. Or we live in a protected USA-centric economy where manufactured goods are made here and expensive.

3. Or we live in a free global economy and goods are manufactured here by robotics and thus can compete with overseas low wages.

My guess is that the third one (3) is in the future for the USA. In 5, 10, 20 years. Cutting out wages and unions etc completely.

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out of curiosity, if you cut out wages, unions, physical labor and the like entirely, how do people continue to live? we can't all simply become coders and IT people.

there was an episode of the Twilight Zone, in which a visionary managed to eliminate all workers entirely, and then had himself eliminated by his own invention.

The Brain Center at Whipple's. check it out.

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I submitted my comments electronically on the Email the Chair page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/bsa/contact-bsa/email-the-chair.page (clik Email the Chair after the word "visit" in the body text).

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out of curiosity, if you cut out wages, unions, physical labor and the like entirely, how do people continue to live? we can't all simply become coders and IT people.

there was an episode of the Twilight Zone, in which a visionary managed to eliminate all workers entirely, and then had himself eliminated by his own invention.

The Brain Center at Whipple's. check it out.

New jobs will arise that haven't been invented yet. That's always been the way.

Before the Industrial revolution there were no steam train drivers. Before cars were invented there were no car mechanics. Ten years ago there were hardly any Social Media Coordinators.

Just because folks don't have the imagination to work out what future jobs will be, doesn't mean there won't be any.

Projecting a dystopia onto the future (doom and gloom) is as old as the fact that the only thing constant in humankind's  evolution is change.  I say embrace it and don't fear it.








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i didn't mean to project doom and gloom; i just asked for a potential, tangible solution to a problem/issue that will arise.

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It's official. The BSA voted to uphold the Elmhurst Target this morning, per a tweet from The City's Christine Chung.

https://twitter.com/chrisychung/status/1135919814419992577

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It's official. The BSA voted to uphold the Elmhurst Target this morning, per a tweet from The City's Christine Chung.

https://twitter.com/chrisychung/status/1135919814419992577

Ok. Now it's time for the other businesses to lift their game. The competition is coming. May the consumer win!

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