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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #120 on: February 10, 2019, 10:31:49 PM »
Nobody buys at record shops or book stores anymore. Seattle is home to many technology companies and has no state income tax. Jobs create traffic and fills subway cars. If you close companies then you have less congestion. NYC subways were built for millions of people living and working in close proximity. You can try to stop progress but the global economy stops for nobody. The fulfillment center on the BQE probably will lead to the closure of many businesses in Jackson Heights. This will happen regardless if the headquarters is in Queens or not.

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« Reply #121 on: February 11, 2019, 09:03:57 AM »
The answers to the future are always in the historical past.

In the 1800's, in Britain folks fought the industrial revolution and the changes it heralded.(The Luddites.)

But like holding back the tide, it proved impossible to curtail technological progress in the long run.

Eventually, the Industrial Revolution  led to a complete change of the status quo of British society.

The same applies now with the online technological revolution currently occurring.

Only the myopic believe they can stop it. 

And in the long term, they will learn it will prove fruitless to prevent the future from happening.


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« Reply #122 on: February 11, 2019, 10:05:52 AM »
I think you you guys are misinterpreting the concern here. It is absolutely not about technology and fear of change or the new. This is about resources and how they are allocated. The city is at an all time population high and settling  thousands more people in the area doesn't yield more or increase quality of life. It's a give away to one of the largest companies IN THE WORLD. And it's likely that the Governor and Mayor support it because they are politically ambitious and need contributions for their next campaigns. Look deeper. Don't just take it at face value by focusing on the tech element.

Let Amazon move to a less populated area on NY. There are plenty of options within the state.

If you want to use history as an example, multiple empires throughout civilizations collapsed by overexpanding. Corruption took hold when rulers were not being held accountable. And the groups at the bottom waged revolts because they were left with nothing else to lose. That is the seed of history. As true today as it was in ANY ancient culture.

The English also greatly believed in a feudal system where there is no chance for upward mobility and that blood determines your station. And that's why Ned Ludd formed a rebellion. That is literally what the framers of the constitution were responding to.



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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #123 on: February 11, 2019, 12:16:38 PM »
I think you you guys are misinterpreting the concern here. It is absolutely not about technology and fear of change or the new. This is about resources and how they are allocated. The city is at an all time population high and settling  thousands more people in the area doesn't yield more or increase quality of life. It's a give away to one of the largest companies IN THE WORLD. And it's likely that the Governor and Mayor support it because they are politically ambitious and need contributions for their next campaigns. Look deeper. Don't just take it at face value by focusing on the tech element.

Let Amazon move to a less populated area on NY. There are plenty of options within the state.

If you want to use history as an example, multiple empires throughout civilizations collapsed by overexpanding. Corruption took hold when rulers were not being held accountable. And the groups at the bottom waged revolts because they were left with nothing else to lose. That is the seed of history. As true today as it was in ANY ancient culture.

The English also greatly believed in a feudal system where there is no chance for upward mobility and that blood determines your station. And that's why Ned Ludd formed a rebellion. That is literally what the framers of the constitution were responding to.

The boat has sailed for NYC.  It is already gentrified. And has been for at least the last 10 years. New York has changed. High population.  Gentrified outer boroughs. The New York of NOW is fantastic.



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« Reply #124 on: February 11, 2019, 01:11:07 PM »
And I believe that the New York of the future will be even BETTER!

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« Reply #125 on: February 11, 2019, 01:43:57 PM »
Here is a report from the great low tax state of Arizona and how despite being able to attractive the tech industry, it is splitting up the work force because it is actually NOT getting spread around. Which is exactly what Amazon claimed WOULD happen in Queens in their testimony to city council.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/04/business/economy/productivity-inequality-wages.html

Another, thing that was revealing at the hearings is that it is a non binding agreement and can be nullified.

Read the links I posted, I don’t think you can say it’s a good thing for us. Just because areas of the city have gentrified doesn’t mean we need to sit down and except the terms that they are dictating to us. That’s not a democracy.

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« Reply #126 on: February 11, 2019, 02:22:31 PM »
If you are talking democracy, the polls are showing that a greater % want Amazon than don't. The majority.

Or does democracy to you mean it should be what you think and disregard the majority opinion?

That seems to be a very common interpretation of democracy that I come across...

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« Reply #127 on: February 11, 2019, 02:35:51 PM »
 I trust Jeanette here as a regular poster with the numbers. My problem is the gut check with Amazon and the question
of whether we will be better off? Is there a recent comparable - even somewhat close - of an industry coming
into a city like ours and making it better for current residents? Would like to know how others dealt with it successfully
if there is such a place.

Also think they (AMZN and NYC pols) did a terrible job of dealing with the public here which is another area of suspicion
and precedent. If we don't question this deal, what fresh hell awaits us in the future?

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« Reply #128 on: February 11, 2019, 03:14:23 PM »
These polls are paid for by Amazon. Where you aware of that?!

Maybe most people who answered didn’t have good information. This is not about me and my opinion. I’ve posted links for anyone to read by mainstream sources. It’s not to have some silly tiff on the internet. It’s so that people can understand what this company is about, what it’s like to work there, and how a major project like this can negatively impact the immediate area. Which is were we all reside.

Many people have cited Seattle as a way to gauge the impact and that was why my initial post was about my friend who lives there and what he has experienced.

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« Reply #129 on: February 11, 2019, 03:16:37 PM »
I trust Jeanette here as a regular poster with the numbers. My problem is the gut check with Amazon and the question
of whether we will be better off? Is there a recent comparable - even somewhat close - of an industry coming
into a city like ours and making it better for current residents? Would like to know how others dealt with it successfully
if there is such a place.


Henry T Ford in Detroit in 1908 with the model T Ford.

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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #130 on: February 11, 2019, 03:27:49 PM »
These polls are paid for by Amazon. Where you aware of that?!

Maybe most people who answered didn’t have good information. This is not about me and my opinion. I’ve posted links for anyone to read by mainstream sources. It’s not to have some silly tiff on the internet. It’s so that people can understand what this company is about, what it’s like to work there, and how a major project like this can negatively impact the immediate area. Which is were we all reside.

Many people have cited Seattle as a way to gauge the impact and that was why my initial post was about my friend who lives there and what he has experienced.

Have you been to LIC?  It's already incredibly gentrified. It costs top $'s to live there.  It's fancy. It was even gentrified 10 years ago.  Amazon will not change LIC because that ship already sailed years ago.

I was looking at shots of Seattle pre and post-Amazon.  The post-Amazon shots of Seattle look like how LIC already looks NOW. Take the 7 train and get off at LIC.  You'll see for yourself.
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« Reply #131 on: February 12, 2019, 09:29:19 AM »
According to a recent Sienna Poll, 58% of NYC Residents approve of Amazon HQ2 in LIC.  Whites = 51% Approval, Blacks = 70% Approval and Latinos = 81% Approval.  However, this is based on just 774 participants.
Those who are against Amazon seem to be far more vocal and getting a lot more media attention.   

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« Reply #132 on: February 12, 2019, 09:33:32 AM »
According to a recent Sienna Poll, 58% of NYC Residents approve of Amazon HQ2 in LIC.  Whites = 51% Approval, Blacks = 70% Approval and Latinos = 81% Approval.  However, this is based on just 774 participants.
Those who are against Amazon seem to be far more vocal and getting a lot more media attention.   

Plus those against Amazon seem to be determined to ignore or invalidate or minimize the will of the majority.
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« Reply #133 on: February 12, 2019, 10:37:47 AM »
According to a recent Sienna Poll, 58% of NYC Residents approve of Amazon HQ2 in LIC.  Whites = 51% Approval, Blacks = 70% Approval and Latinos = 81% Approval.  However, this is based on just 774 participants.
Those who are against Amazon seem to be far more vocal and getting a lot more media attention.   

The poll should have asked if people approve of NYS giving Amazon billions of dollars. Most people are not against the jobs, even though the 7 train is a third world atrocity. (the train. not the people, geesh.)

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« Reply #134 on: February 12, 2019, 10:54:16 AM »