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Offline jeanette

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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2018, 01:37:48 PM »
Yes, dss, I agree there are cons. I don't like the sound of the tax breaks, but I also don't know how much taxes it will pay in and to the State and City in other ways and over time. Certainly and at the very least, 25000 employees will pay City and State taxes that ostensibly did not before.

Other cities also offered tax breaks. I don't know how Cuomo's deal compares to those. Every city but a Canadian city offered tax breaks. Pittsburgh I believe offered no taxes. Arlington is the city that offered the cash grant. How to compete with that.

The rich also get free checking, lower mortgage rates, and on and on. Money begets money.
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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2018, 02:03:57 PM »
I recall that George Bush gave 900 Billion to the banking industry so it didn't collapse.

The smart thing for the city to do (and what George Bush should've done) is for the money to get some % of future shares of the company.

After all, the govt/city is an investor in the expansion of the company.

The city seems to believe in the company's future (Amazon's future).  The city is betting that Amazon will thrive.

And any other investor would negotiate a future return for investing big bucks.

This is where the American capitalist system is weird.

The government and city don't act like capitalists.  They act like a socialist charity for big and wealthy companies.  If the government/city acted more like a smart capitalist, then future returns from their prudent investing into companies like AMAZON, (and I'm talking specifically owning shares in the company) could go into improving the public needs (housing, education, health etc)...

The govt/city needs to negotiate like better capitalists.

Which is ironic, since America is meant to be capitalist.

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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #92 on: November 25, 2018, 01:06:16 PM »
tomorrow at court square (trains may get crayzee)

Protect Queens #NoAmazonNYC, Nov 26 @ 5:00 pm – Nov 26 @ 8:00 pm
JOIN US and SAY NO #HQ2Scam
The heartbeat of Queens is the working class and immigrants, not billionaires. At a time when our city is facing a crisis of affordability, New York is looking to pay Amazon, the richest corporation in the world, billions of dollars to gentrify Queens. This is outrageous. Rather than creating good jobs for the community this deal will displace existing residents. We do not need nor want Amazon in our barrio.
– We need affordable housing, not further gentrification
– We need protections for immigrants, not a company that profits off of work with ICE
– We need more funding for transit, not billions in corporate subsidies
– We need good jobs, not a company that exploits workers

Our communities need real investment, not displacement. It’s time for New York to #NoAmazonNYC. https://www.facebook.com/events/467865657070996/

I had read that our representative, Oit'llcostu-Cortez, will be there as an organizer. I'm sad to see some of our local advocacy groups behind the rally, too.

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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #93 on: November 25, 2018, 03:37:29 PM »
tomorrow at court square (trains may get crayzee)

Protect Queens #NoAmazonNYC, Nov 26 @ 5:00 pm – Nov 26 @ 8:00 pm
JOIN US and SAY NO #HQ2Scam
The heartbeat of Queens is the working class and immigrants, not billionaires. At a time when our city is facing a crisis of affordability, New York is looking to pay Amazon, the richest corporation in the world, billions of dollars to gentrify Queens. This is outrageous. Rather than creating good jobs for the community this deal will displace existing residents. We do not need nor want Amazon in our barrio.
– We need affordable housing, not further gentrification

I had read that our representative, Oit'llcostu-Cortez, will be there as an organizer. I'm sad to see some of our local advocacy groups behind the rally, too.


We can debate the pros and cons of Amazon, but it's a little late to start mobilizing against gentrification in LIC.  That should have started before the 50th glass and steel tower went up. 

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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #94 on: November 25, 2018, 07:11:02 PM »

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We can debate the pros and cons of Amazon, but it's a little late to start mobilizing against gentrification in LIC.  That should have started before the 50th glass and steel tower went up.
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100% agree. That ship has long sailed.

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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #95 on: November 25, 2018, 08:15:27 PM »
agreed, but on that topic, who else has been around long enough to remember this?

http://johnfekner.com/feknerArchive/?p=493

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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #95 on: November 25, 2018, 08:15:27 PM »