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Offline CaptainFlannel

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Re: Washington Plaza
« Reply #75 on: April 20, 2016, 08:53:25 AM »
^no body is talking about how people who don't have much money can find ways to have fun. What is being discussed is people who provide the services that you want in your city being able to afford to live in the city and how completely out of touch with reality it is to suggest they can just live in the suburbs (which they already can't afford) and commute a couple hours each day to serve the upper middle class and rich. Care to address that?

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« Reply #76 on: April 20, 2016, 08:56:15 AM »
But that is exactly how it is in places like Paris.

And the city functions.

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« Reply #77 on: April 20, 2016, 01:11:39 PM »
You mean in Paris where there are periodic riots in the suburbs? That Paris?

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« Reply #78 on: April 20, 2016, 02:26:17 PM »
Yes.  That Paris. Much like the unrest in the boroughs of New York.  Our New York. Where 9/11 happened.

If you want no unrest, maybe try Portland, Maine.

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« Reply #79 on: April 20, 2016, 02:31:56 PM »
^Comparing the riots in the suburbs of Paris to the 9/11 terrorist attack is profoundly ridiculous (and quite disrespectful to the people who lost loved ones in coordinated attacks that killed over 2000 people) Just stop. The suburban riots of Paris are tied to a number of things, two of which is economic disparity, and immigrant population that is discriminated against and feel marginalized. That you see this as a model for how cities should function speaks volumes. None of it is good.

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« Reply #80 on: April 20, 2016, 03:20:39 PM »
This, by the way, is what is being described as Paris working just fine. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/22/nothings-changed-10-years-after-french-riots-banlieues-remain-in-crisis:

More than 4.4 million people live in the toughest parts of the banlieues classed as priority zones, where, segregated along race and class lines, they face what Hollande has called “unbearable discrimination”. Grigny, a town of more than 27,000 people in Essonne, south of Paris, is at the sharp end. Three in five children live below the poverty line, unemployment – at 22% – is twice the national average, rising to more than 40% among young people. Almost 90% of the population live on two notorious estates: La Grande Borne, where a large refurbishment project is under way, and the high-rise “Grigny 2”, where private slum landlords have been taken to court for housing people in fetid conditions. Like in Clichy-sous-Bois, where the riots started, most feel that building renovation alone – though much needed – will not solve the problems of unemployment, education and the lack of a proper social mix on so-called ghetto estates.

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« Reply #81 on: April 20, 2016, 03:35:40 PM »
New York City has the same reputation overseas.

It's only when you live in a city you discover its beauty and delight.

Which apply both to Paris and New York.

Both are jewels of cities.

As is Jackson Heights.

And inside your crankiness Capt Flannel, somewhere, so are you.
You just need to search for your beauty and delight...They are I am sure only misplaced.
And not lost.


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« Reply #82 on: April 20, 2016, 04:02:22 PM »
We may have the same reputation, but it is categorically false to say that NYC has experienced the kinds of recent periodic riots fueled by economic disparity and racial discrimination that have occurred in the Parisian suburbs.

If your argument about how awesome the city would be if we just had everyone who doesn't have money live in the suburbs (which are already expensive) and commute several hours a day for the privilege of serving you coffee at your favorite cafe relies upon falsehoods (e.g. It works just fine in Paris! And hey, the Paris riots are just like riots in NYC), then your argument is clearly nonsense.

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« Reply #83 on: April 20, 2016, 04:13:58 PM »
But Capt Flannel, you seem to have missed the point of my post.

I'm simply not interested in arguing with you.

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« Reply #84 on: April 20, 2016, 04:24:01 PM »
The point of your posts are these:

I am confused as to why folks are worried about it. -- You don't understand why people are concerned about affordability for the middle class and those who don't make enough money to be considered middle class

And folks with less money might be laughing and luxuriating in their space in the suburbs (living THE AMERICAN DREAM of a generation ago)...and scratching their heads as to why the middle class pays big for cramped conditions and less square footage in apartments... and hanging out in cafes. (Which is kinda THE EUROPEAN DREAM).-- You don't understand that it is extremely problematic to expect people who earn $15/hour and less to clean your dishes at a neighborhood restaurant to commute hours a day -- and pay for the monthly pass to do so.

But that is exactly how it is in places like Paris....And the city functions. -- you don't understand that when the suburbs, where people aren't as wealthy and have to commute in to the city to work, erupt in to riots due to economic disparities, and discrimination, that's an example of what you are suggesting is no big deal actually not working.

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« Reply #85 on: April 20, 2016, 04:33:51 PM »


I'm simply not interested in arguing with you.

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« Reply #86 on: April 25, 2016, 12:57:42 AM »
Well...getting back to Washington Plaza, I noticed that on the NuPlace site, all mentions of the "gym" are gone from the listings. I thought perhaps they were tired of fielding disappointed feedback from potential buyers who wanted to take a look at the facilities, and decided it was better to hold off on mentioning that particular amenity. But that probably isn't it, since the Washington Plaza site actually has a diagram of it....
http://www.wplazanyc.com/wp-content/themes/washington-plaza/assets/img/amenities/fitness_center.jpg

And it's got windows! That's a plus--not as claustrophobic as an interior basement room. Maybe it will even have direct access from the outside, so the closing time of the basement will be a moot point.

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« Reply #87 on: April 25, 2016, 01:13:02 AM »
I hadn't spotted their "Location" page yet. Interesting what they've chosen to include: photos of Espresso 77, Lockwood, and Table Wine; no photos of sari stores or Diversity Plaza. Included is a map with various local businesses sorta-kinda where they actually are. (They might wanna fix that "Duazne Reade" listing. At least the site's copyright lines no longer say "Washingtonton Plaza." 8) )

http://www.wplazanyc.com/location/

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« Reply #88 on: April 25, 2016, 06:51:09 AM »
Interesting what they've chosen to include: photos of Espresso 77, Lockwood, and Table Wine; no photos of sari stores or Diversity Plaza

That is where we are going and that is who can pay the prices they are asking (though I am still interested to see if they get any fish at asking).

I did have a question:  Will the gym facilities and such be open to everyone of Washington Plaza, or just those who owners of co-ops?

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« Reply #89 on: April 25, 2016, 09:52:02 AM »
Interesting what they've chosen to include: photos of Espresso 77, Lockwood, and Table Wine; no photos of sari stores or Diversity Plaza

That is where we are going and that is who can pay the prices they are asking (though I am still interested to see if they get any fish at asking).

I did have a question:  Will the gym facilities and such be open to everyone of Washington Plaza, or just those who owners of co-ops?

Yes--exactly, Palermo. But, just as with the glossy "rendered" images on the website, the difference between the image they're trying to sell and the reality that the fish will encounter when they swim here is awfully wide. 

I'm not sure about the gym facilities. I think I've heard before that a sponsor can't create new amenities that are available just to coop buyers. But I can't swear to that.

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Re: Washington Plaza
« Reply #89 on: April 25, 2016, 09:52:02 AM »