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Offline jhjefe

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #195 on: September 12, 2015, 11:42:48 AM »
I may have missed it in previous posts on this thread but is there an easy way to get a forecast of when they intend to do flyovers?  Will make planning weekends away much easier.

A side note : Spent few weekends this summer in Venice beach and drove right by LAX a few times. 747s taking off directly over the car at a much lower altitude than the planes over 34th ave here.  For some reason seemed much quieter.  Could hear the radio,  have a regular conversation etc.  there must be something in the air here.  Maybe they are taking off at a steeper initial climb?

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #196 on: September 12, 2015, 12:08:46 PM »
Just for the record, the first one I heard this morning was at 5:56 AM as I recall. They were sparse for awhile but now quite frequent. Also I notice that there's no announcement from the Port Authority on WebTrak, which is disturbing. In the past I've noticed such announcements (runway work this weekend etc).

If it helps at all, neighbors who've been here much longer tell me it's been common for some years to have aircraft noise on Saturdays. Many attribute it to the US Open, though I can't see that it's correlated at all.

Has anybody noticed any kind of announcement from the Port Authority?

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #197 on: September 12, 2015, 12:18:55 PM »
Just for the record, the first one I heard this morning was at 5:56 AM as I recall.

If it helps at all, neighbors who've been here much longer tell me it's been common for some years to have aircraft noise on Saturdays. Many attribute it to the US Open, though I can't see that it's correlated at all.

Has anybody noticed any kind of announcement from the Port Authority?


Yep 6am was my wake up call.  And Good point about the U.S. Open, Federer plays tomorrow so I won't take any chances.  May be the last good weekend of the season for a trip to the hamptons.  Looking forward to sleeping in tomorrow morning with some fresh, quiet air wafting in the windows.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #198 on: September 12, 2015, 12:20:39 PM »
In case you're looking for the number to complain: 1 (800) 225-1071

Here's the link to file the complaint online: http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/qs114wbt.php

Here you can track flight paths over the neighborhood, noise levels in one meter in JH area and see planned runway closures: http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #199 on: September 12, 2015, 10:24:59 PM »
In case you're looking for the number to complain: 1 (800) 225-1071

Here's the link to file the complaint online: http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/qs114wbt.php

Here you can track flight paths over the neighborhood, noise levels in one meter in JH area and see planned runway closures: http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj

Thank you abu benuska, your post prompted me to lodge another complaint today - I, too, was awakened at 6 am and we've been hearing the planes all throughout the day.

I suggest we put the Port Authority Airport Noise Complaints number into our "Contacts" on our phones as I just did, if that will facilitate the most systematic logging in of complaints (actually I prefer to do it online at the planenoise.com site, because it's easier for me to write a detailed complaint than it is to state one over the phone, but whatever works best).

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #200 on: September 13, 2015, 06:39:32 AM »
In case you're looking for the number to complain: 1 (800) 225-1071

Here's the link to file the complaint online: http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/qs114wbt.php

Here you can track flight paths over the neighborhood, noise levels in one meter in JH area and see planned runway closures: http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj

Thank you for the reminder.  And, for those who care to, here are the links to State and Federal elected officials who actually control the purses of PANYNJ & the FAA, in contrast to Dromm, who can only draw attention to the issue:

State Senator Peralta:
http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/jose-peralta/contact

State Assemblyman DenDekker:
http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/Michael-G-DenDekker/contact/

U.S. Senator Schumer:
http://www.schumer.senate.gov/contact/email-chuck

U.S. Senator Gillibrand:
http://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/contact/

U.S. Representative Crowley:
https://crowley.house.gov/contact-me

Please note your State reps could be different depending on address.  Thank you for your time!  Finally, it should be noted that the Queens Quiet Skies folks are in dialogue with Schumer already, the results of which I'm unaware.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #201 on: September 13, 2015, 07:35:06 AM »
Thanks so much to Formosa and abu benuska for supplying complaint information.  I've made complaints and will continue to do so.  I will also be happy to be a part of a class-action suit if that's what this comes to.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #202 on: September 13, 2015, 09:48:11 AM »
Class action suit against the FAA sounds like a great idea. Where do sign up?

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #203 on: September 13, 2015, 10:49:12 AM »
I also posted another noise complaint today! But a "class action lawsuit" sounds ridiculous. I haven't heard that the airport is breaking any laws, just that it's being a bad neighbor. Which is not illegal.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #204 on: September 13, 2015, 08:07:38 PM »
Class action lawsuit is great idea.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #205 on: September 14, 2015, 03:14:31 PM »
FYI....From the Jackson Heights Families list...

"the situation will get even worse when the construction is completed.
The construction is being done to accommodate 4-engine planes, which will
be even louder than the 3-engine planes we are currently hearing."

I absolutely believe this and I don't trust the airports or Port Authority or any of these organizations that will benefit from our misery...to do with plane noise.

The Port Authority promised to work with us as a community previously and stop the noise.
Didn't happen.

Shame on YOU for fooling us once.
But shame on US if we are fooled twice.

There is no noise monitor around 37th Ave...if you check the map.

I suggest one gets installed so we can prove the (illegal) nightmare conditions we are forced to endure.

We have been alerted to the future...and now we are fools if we do not rally against it.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #206 on: September 14, 2015, 04:01:11 PM »

"The construction is being done to accommodate 4-engine planes, which will
be even louder than the 3-engine planes we are currently hearing."


Where is the evidence for this completely dubious assertion?
( I do not consider a post on JHfamilies to be evidence.)

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #207 on: September 14, 2015, 04:50:55 PM »
FYI....From the Jackson Heights Families list...

"the situation will get even worse when the construction is completed.
The construction is being done to accommodate 4-engine planes, which will
be even louder than the 3-engine planes we are currently hearing."

This is nonsense.

The only 4-engine planes currently in use are the Boeing 747, Airbus A340 and Airbus A380. They're unpopular with airlines except for on super-long-haul routes, because they're fuel inefficient. This comment is already nonsense because most planes at LaGuardia - most planes in the sky - are twinjets (two engines). Trijets (three engines) are considered to be an older, generally obsolete design.

Now, yes, you could land a 747 on LaGuardia's 7,000-foot runway. And if you google for videos, you will see that airlines have. No additional work needed. You could do it tomorrow. But if airlines want to fly transatlantic into LGA, they could do it with 757s, 777s, or 787s, all twinjets. Nobody is talking about flying A380s into LGA.

So this whole thing about "number of engines" sounds silly. It's probably a mistake based on the real fact that airlines are talking about flying transatlantic into LGA, made by someone who hasn't flown in 30 years and so who thinks long-haul means L-1011s and 747s.

And yes, airlines are talking about flying transatlantic into the "new LGA" (they can't do it until the renovation because, no customs and no secure area.)

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #208 on: September 15, 2015, 09:17:21 AM »
Obviously "theplanesland" is a troll working for the FAA or someone with skin in the game. Don't call people silly and try and disprove what obviously is a problem for the neighborhood or are these 14 pages of complaints just no big deal? Maybe change your name if you want any credibility. To say that a suit is ridiculous is ridiculous. They are breaking basic laws of noise pollution and damaging the quality of life for the residents here. When the planes are taking off over the neighborhood from 5am until midnight, I cannot sleep I cannot sit and relax in my house not walk around the neighborhood it's so loud. This is unreasonable and should be addressed with more vigor. Why change up the flight patterns when it hasn't been this way for decades?

It has already been said many times there aren't enough noise monitors at LGA so why not? If it's true there isnt one on 37th maybe they're flying over my house on 76th because there aren't any? Other communities have fought this and won (Santa Cruz) so why can't we get a proper monitoring system?
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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #209 on: September 15, 2015, 10:26:41 AM »
Jason, you have 13 posts here and he has over 300. theplanesland is a long-time poster, not a troll. Please be civil.

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« Reply #209 on: September 15, 2015, 10:26:41 AM »