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Offline Shelby2

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The kitchen thread
« on: July 04, 2008, 01:27:25 PM »
I'm interested in hearing your stories about your kitchen renovation. 

How did you decide on the design and materials? 
Did you visit many showrooms first or head straight for Ikea/Home Depot? 
Did you get a general contractor or just hire invidual jobs out (electrician, etc.)
How difficult/expensive was demolition (esp. if you had an original kitchen)?
How did you determine your budget and did it change in the middle of the project?

Anything else you can tell me would be really helpful even if it seems really elementary.  I've never done a renovation, am not particularly handy or design-oriented (though I definitely can tell good design from bad - it's just that I have a hard time envisioning a good design beforehand).  I also am a bit confused about the steps that are necessary when budget is an issue.

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Re: The kitchen thread
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2008, 01:33:04 PM »
one more photo to show that my kitchen has two entrances.

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Re: The kitchen thread
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2008, 05:59:05 PM »
This is a really random question, but was your apt by any chance featured on the HGTV show FreeStyle?  I swear they had an episode where the kitchen had a little side room just like yours.  The one where the sofa and coffee table are. 

I was an HGTV junkie for the 2 months or so before I moved into my co-op.  : )

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Re: The kitchen thread
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2008, 10:03:26 PM »
No, it wasn't.  But I think this kind of set-up (sometimes called a "junior 4") is pretty common in Jackson Heights and also other neighborhoods where there are a lot of buildings from around 1940.

Also, I spent the day thinking about it and I really don't know if I have the budget to re-do the kitchen now, but there's no harm in getting advice now, I guess, for future plans.

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Re: The kitchen thread
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2008, 12:28:01 AM »
We have a galley style kitchen and are also thinking about renovating real soon...possibly the fall.  Our kitchen is small, so there are limited possibilities on what we can do with regard to decorating.  What we want to focus on is adding more cabinet and counter space. 

From the minimal research that I've done, I've read that Ikea kitchen cabinets are pretty good quality and affordably priced.  There's another place that I've gone to out on Long Island called Consumers Kitchens & Baths, and they carry a good selection of Kraftmaid cabinets.  I prefer the one on one attention that you get at a store like Consumers, but haven't really done price comparisons with stores like Ikea, Home Depot or Lowe's yet.  For the floor, I'd like to find out some more about cork flooring.  Everyone tells me that it's a comfortable surface to stand on as opposed to ceramic or porcelain tiles...and I think it may be cheaper too and easier to maintain.

We've also been trying to figure out what appliances would be best for our kitchen.  Sometimes what we've wanted is not necessarily what would fit best.  For instance, we've been eyeing one of those refrigerators with French doors and a bottom freezer drawer.  It turns out that the depth on this style refrigerator may be too deep. :(  We'll have to keep looking in the meantime.  On color, since the kitchen is smallish, I'm thinking that lighter colored appliances would be a better fit overall.

I'd also love to hear from folks that have done renovations.
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Re: The kitchen thread
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2008, 12:40:58 AM »
I was an HGTV junkie for the 2 months or so before I moved into my co-op.  : )

I'm still HGTV junkie.  My fave channel.

Shelby, I can help you with cost of kitchen numbers.  Basically you're talking at least $10,000 (that's relatively inexpensive) for new floor, cabinets, appliances, labor. More if you go with higher end goodies.  As far as design, that's the fun/hard part.  Buy magazines and tear out looks you like. You'll start to recognize you gravitate towards some looks and not others so that helps narrow it down.  When you're in town, we'll meet for coffee and chat.  Too much to talk about here.  But I just redid mine and a couple years ago redid my bathroom.  I saved everything for reference.
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Re: The kitchen thread
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2008, 01:12:19 AM »
I'm still HGTV junkie.  My fave channel.

Shelby, I can help you with cost of kitchen numbers. ..  When you're in town, we'll meet for coffee and chat.  Too much to talk about here.  But I just redid mine and a couple years ago redid my bathroom.  I saved everything for reference.

Thanks - that would be great. 

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Re: The kitchen thread
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2008, 02:21:24 PM »
My wife and I are both architects. We used a combination of IKEA cabinets, great links from apartmenttherapy.com to get appliances very affordably, and a stainless steel counter manufacturer in SoHo that we've used on restaurants before.

IKEA is great quality for the price. Most people don't notice much of a difference between it and many of the Home Depot/Lowe's lines. They actually use the same construction methods and materials for the most part. It's not worth spending more money unless you're going to go with solid wood frames or special Italian or German hardware (even IKEA uses German Blum drawer slides!).

Also, stainless steel as a counter is great. There's a reason commercial kitchens use it. I wouldn't recommend using natural stones as they need alot of maintenance. A quartz/resin surface is recommended if you want the "look" of stone without the maintenance.

I would also however, recommend consulting with an architect to at least help you come up with a good layout, especially if you have as large a kitchen as most of the co-ops in Jackson Heights have.

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Re: The kitchen thread
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2008, 03:04:04 PM »
Does anyone have an opinion on the recycled glass and concrete counter tops? I know they aren't cheap, but they are environmentally friendly.


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Re: The kitchen thread
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2008, 12:00:35 PM »
I'm interested in hearing your stories about your kitchen renovation. 


Typically it will cost more money if you get different contractors to do different things.  I've done dozens of kitchens.  Whenever possible open the dividing wall to a living area.  It's attractive and will increases the value of your unit.  Based on the picture you showed you may be able to open the wall but unless you are on the top floor you wont be able to move the main gas line or electrical conduit. If the walls and ceiling are PLUM and you want to keep it inexpensive simply replace the old cabinets with new ones of the same dimensions.  This will save you lots of money.  Once you start rearranging the appliances it can get a bit expensive since outlet, electrical and gas lines can add to your bottom line in a big way. 
 
Crown moldings, custom cabinets and specialty tops can quadruple the price ta tag not careful.  I typically use a supplier in Jamaica that offers solid wood cabinets with plywood sides and back.  Based on my experience the cabinets would cost less than $2000 including the uncut material for the crown moldings and fillers as well as the refrigerator panel.  Obviously demolition, preparation of the room and installation are extras.  I would say that a nicely done but inexpensive kitchen should cost between 9 - 12k.  It's important to PLUM walls and ceilings if you are taking the cabinets up to the ceilings so this will ad some $$$ to the budget in they are really bad shape.  In a perfect world a gut job will produce the best end product since all the drywall, electrical and plumbing would be new.

Here are some before and after photos of a kitchens that is similar to yours we just finished a few weeks ago. We made a small bedroom out of the dining area as per the clients needs. We charged about 13k for this kitchen and she paid about 2k for the granite including installation.

 






And the finished product!



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Re: The kitchen thread
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2008, 12:23:21 PM »
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Re: The kitchen thread
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2008, 12:28:27 PM »
Does anyone have an opinion on the recycled glass and concrete counter tops? I know they aren't cheap, but they are environmentally friendly.



I'm a big fan of natural stone surfacing materials.  I have done dozens of kitchens but I have never had the opportunity to see a concrete or recycled glass counter on any of my kitchens.  Typically the stone or specialty counter-tops are installed by the counter-top company to assure proper fit.   Anytime you use a recycled product is supposed to be good for the environment.  Recycled glass is either mixed with a "cementatious" material or some sort of plastic resin.  The question is the binding materials like the resin.  How green is this material?  If I was really trying to go "GREEN" I would ask the manufacturers for the MSDS and investigate.  Sometimes the only green part of the product is the dollars they got out of the consumer.
 
There are quite a few companies out there providing these green counters but I think Vetrazo is supposed to be one of the big boys in this area, but I'm not sure.  Some of the glass counters are very beautiful but can get very expensive, much more than natural stone.  Concrete counters tend to stain but it's supposed to be part of the charm.  They claim that the patina of the concrete adds character to the room.  Hey, different strokes for different folks, I personally seen concrete counters and they don't do it for me unless you are looking for a commercial or "rustico" look.  One very nice thing about concrete countertops is that when done on site the molding allows for a seamless product.  When a counter is very large it would typically made in pieces to fit into the typical doorway or elevator.
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Re: The kitchen thread
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2008, 01:01:28 PM »
My wife and I are both architects.
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I would also however, recommend consulting with an architect to at least help you come up with a good layout, especially if you have as large a kitchen as most of the co-ops in Jackson Heights have.

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Re: The kitchen thread
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2008, 01:16:51 PM »
Shelby,
We didn't do our own kitchen, but the previous owners finished it right before they left.  They did Ikea cabinets, and they are pretty great.  my only complaint is that the bolts show on the bottoms of the ones we have (though I'm sure there are other style options that don't have that problem).  The great part though is that any time we want to add to them or change something we just go to Ikea and get the new pieces.  Its cheap and easy.  You can swap drawers for shelves, and they have TONS of coordinating options.  Obviously not as fancy as a really high end renovation, but I think they look quite nice, and we're happy with them. You can PM me and I can send you pics, if you want.

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Re: The kitchen thread
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2008, 11:02:34 PM »
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Re: The kitchen thread
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