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Offline EvaViva

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Re: dirty & Stinky 73th street
« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2011, 03:59:30 PM »
And one last thing about the garbage issue:  I also notice that the garbage cans are overflowing and that garbage does not get picked up in a timely manner on that street.  I think that just adds to the problem when you have so much foot traffic.  Matters might be helped if the Department of Sanitation paid a little bit more attention to that street.

Maybe there can be a campaign to encourage people to be clean--signs in Hindi, Urdu and Bangla stating, "Please throw your trash away" along with extra trash cans. I'm a social psychologist and there are numerous studies that indicate that reminders in the forms of signs can have surprisingly good effects. 

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Re: dirty & Stinky 73th street
« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2011, 04:08:01 PM »
This thread has totally gone Godwin with the race card thing.

Everyone agrees we need to move forward productively.  But again, as you say this is NYC.  Feelings will get hurt, and we all have different complaints.  My complaints about the decorations were a throwaway comment that EvaViva made a big deal about...the coughing thing is from a totally different thread!  Don't bring up tangential issues and then blame everyone else when the thread goes astray.

I mainly posted what people said AT THE MEETING about the vendors, crime, littering, etc.  I don't think they were lying...maybe exaggerating in some cases.  It doesn't matter...there are quality of life issues that apply in NYC and everywhere else.

Anyway, I hope folks at the Sheila and Birchwood can get our act together to make a block association.

A sign is a great idea...throw Punjabi, English and Spanish on there as well!

Does anyone know folks from the JBBA or other local business organizations?  Anybody from there on this board?!  We really need to meet with them.  The JBBA website doesn't have anything about working with the community...it seems mostly to be a group for business owners to help each other out.  But maybe they are interested...

http://www.jbbany.com/

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Re: dirty & Stinky 73th street
« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2011, 04:31:13 PM »
... I just want the discussion to focus on the issues at hand--like the things that matter...

Moderator Note:  Let's please keep the discussion continuing in that fashion.  Thanks! 
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Re: dirty & Stinky 73th street
« Reply #48 on: September 01, 2011, 07:47:03 PM »
thanks chuckster.

i agree that 73rd is dirty. but so is 8th street in the village, 5th avenue in park slope and on and on, none of which are culturally caused....just density-driven. i honestly think that the street vendors are a tiny part of the problem, when compared to the large brick and mortar vendors, from subzi mandi to dynasty deli to duane reade to mcdonald's and subway. the trash has plenty of cigarette packs, lay's bags, soda cans and other things that the vendors don't sell.

and i agree, and have pointed out a number of times over the years here -- much to the angst of some of my neighbors -- that some (not all) of the comments on this topic verge on the racist. we all have our blind spots: as someone who was raised dirt poor and worked up to middle class, mine would have to be what i perceive (correctly or not) as "the entitled class."

no one should be abused. no one should have garbage thrown at their homes. no one should have to deal with horrible living conditions. but no one should move into a place and try to displace those who've been there for years.
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Re: dirty & Stinky 73th street
« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2011, 01:35:34 AM »
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no one should be abused. no one should have garbage thrown at their homes. no one should have to deal with horrible living conditions.

Hear hear.  It's not a "yuppie" thing to want to have quiet, sanitary conditions on your block.  I can assure you that the vast majority of people of any racial-ethnic-socioeconomic group do not like things as they are on 73rd. 

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but no one should move into a place and try to displace those who've been there for years.

Agreed.  Interesting that the article discusses a man who has lived in Sheila Terrace since 1967 complaining that things have gone seriously downhill in recent years.  Who is attempting to "displace" whom...?

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Re: dirty & Stinky 73th street
« Reply #50 on: September 02, 2011, 06:59:52 AM »
The residents of Birchwood and Sheila Terrace are a mix of new residents (maybe one-third) that have moved here in the last five years, and then primarily very long-time residents of all races (including about 20% South Asian).  Many agree that the half-block up for discussion here has become much worse in just the last few years.

Certainly these facts complicate the narrative that often pops up here that anyone who wants "change" is a newcomer trying to displace long-time residents.  If anything it is probably the opposite in this case, i.e. the business interests have prevailed over residential interests on 73rd St for several years running now.  Helen Sears was one of the big supporters of these business interests...folks here might remember the Western Jackson Heights Alliance (maybe I'm forgetting the exact name) that was formed as a counterbalance.  Many of the businesses are quite new.  The density of businesses on the street just becomes greater and greater, and we're about to get more from the shops that will open in the defunct Eagle theater space.


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Re: dirty & Stinky 73th street
« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2011, 08:59:55 AM »
Many of the businesses are quite new.  The density of businesses on the street just becomes greater and greater, and we're about to get more from the shops that will open in the defunct Eagle theater space.

Exactly. The new buildings that have been built on that block are much, much larger than the buildings they replaced.  There is now a 7 story building where there was just one private house and this happened in just the past few years.  It's hard to know what could be done though if city planning doesn't step in to alter the zoning.

I agree that money and "business interests" are trumping those of residents by a lot.  
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Offline bryncellen

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Re: dirty & Stinky 73th street
« Reply #52 on: September 02, 2011, 10:12:56 AM »
73/74 Street is a thriving commercial area -- centered around a major transit hub (one of the biggest and busiest in the City).  The “money and business interests” here are mostly small, local merchants and entrepreneurs who are trying to make a living (and who may not have the option of a white collar job in Manhattan).  To the extent their businesses are expanding, this will provide jobs and opportunity for people and help keep the neighborhood vital. 

There are numerous other parts of Jackson Heights, further away from the subway, that are entirely residential and are very tranquil, orderly and elegant -- which is one of the great things about the neighborhood.  But I’m not sure it’s reasonable to expect that same level of peace and quiet in a building that’s smack in the middle of the commercial district.

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Re: dirty & Stinky 73th street
« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2011, 11:26:11 AM »
If Haat Bazaar has decided to cram so many counters into its business that it's essentially annexed the public sidewalk or the butcher's just north of 37th decides to dump chicken fat on the sidewalk, there's nothing cultural about that. It's just a business owner taking advantage of the community. And it's the role of the community to say "enough."

There's nothing culturally determined about leaving rotting vegetables and meat scraps around. If you go into a Bengali home, you don't typically find a lot of rotting vegetables and meat scraps. It's just business owners making a calculation that sanitation codes won't be enforced and they can be lazy. That's all. Nothing cultural about that.

As many people point out, 74th Street doesn't smell like a sewer, and it isn't unwalkable. Neither does 37th Avenue between 73rd and 75th. Neither does Richmond Hill. There is absolutely nothing about a South Asian business district that needs to smell like vomit. There are a few individual bad actors who are running their businesses in an unsanitary fashion. They need to be talked to, and if they can't work with the community, cracked down upon.

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Re: dirty & Stinky 73th street
« Reply #54 on: October 13, 2011, 02:51:06 PM »
Here's an article from the Queens Chronicle following-up on another meeting between the residents and merchants on 73rd Street.

On 73rd Street, ‘We have to cooperate’

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Re: dirty & Stinky 73th street
« Reply #54 on: October 13, 2011, 02:51:06 PM »