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Re: Gentrification in JH?
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2008, 07:43:00 PM »
Jackson Heights, like life itself,is cyclical. The seesaw goes up and down. This time around the seesaw is going up.

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Re: Gentrification in JH?
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2008, 08:44:13 PM »
I am really on the fence when in comes to gentrification.  From a financial standpoint, I have to admit that I enjoy that my property value has gone up.  On the other side of the fence, I think of family members and some of my friends who have not been so fortunate through no fault of their own and have been adversely affected by some of the change.  Like many immigrants, I come from extremely humble beginnings, and as a result, cannot just think about my blessings.  So when that ABC discount store becomes the new occupant of the former Duane Reade rather than Barnes & Noble, it sort of brings me back to reality. :-\
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Re: Gentrification in JH?
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2008, 05:41:13 PM »
lol. This thread is spicy lol. I don't "hate" thats just a strong word to use. Envy, Jealousy, not from me maybe from others I am lucky to be where I am. But for my dislike towards yuppies, dinks etc... They are materialistic pricks and snobs ( i work with them) and i tend alienate msyelf becuase of the way that they act.  In reality i love Jackson Heights I love how it shows reality to other people when they actually look around, its amazing from 74th to 82nd and past that it just changes as one continues through the neighborhood. Without the rest of people we have Jackson Heights we wouldn't be a melting pot, were all lucky that we live in a neighborhood like this, and to see that all change to khaki wearing dog loving materlistic people is a tragedy, I think the rest of people add spice to this neighborhood if this place would be packed with just the same type of people it would just be boring, like some town in long island just replaces the houses with apt buildings and some shops.

Not hate, just disappointment.




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Re: Gentrification in JH?
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2008, 06:22:11 PM »
JHICON, those are strong words you use, but I think I understand the underlying message.  My husband and I decided to invest in Jackson Heights when it wasn't the trendy thing to do...back in the day when its reputation was that of being the cocaine capital of New York City.  We looked beyond the grime of Roosevelt Avenue and realized that it was all the diversity that invigorated the community, and still does today.  I too would not want Jackson Heights to look like a run of the mill strip mall.  Then we would become that bland, homogeneous neighborhood that many are running from today.

P.S.  Please, no dissing on Long Islanders!
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Re: Gentrification in JH?
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2008, 07:23:52 PM »
JHICON, those are strong words you use, but I think I understand the underlying message.  My husband and I decided to invest in Jackson Heights when it wasn't the trendy thing to do...back in the day when its reputation was that of being the cocaine capital of New York City.  We looked beyond the grime of Roosevelt Avenue and realized that it was all the diversity that invigorated the community, and still does today.  I too would not want Jackson Heights to look like a run of the mill strip mall.  Then we would become that bland, homogeneous neighborhood that many are running from today.

P.S.  Please, no dissing on Long Islanders!
I like your story chuckster.
I just don't believe in going around the bush, better being upfront than not.


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Don't wanna diss Long Islander's my parents  live there as well but you know what I mean. heh.
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Re: Gentrification in JH?
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2008, 09:19:32 PM »
lol. But for my dislike towards yuppies, dinks etc... They are materialistic pricks and snobs ( i work with them) and i tend alienate msyelf becuase of the way that they act.   ......were all lucky that we live in a neighborhood like this, and to see that all change to khaki wearing dog loving materlistic people is a tragedy, I think the rest of people add spice to this neighborhood if this place would be packed with just the same type of people it would just be boring, like some town in long island just replaces the houses with apt buildings and some shops.

Not hate, just disappointment.

You just made me laugh out loud in my living room.  It scared MY DOG!  Thank gawd  I don't wear khaki.  Or I'd think you were describing me.  (PS so you don't like dogs either! hehehehehehe)
And yes there are probably some pricks and snobs moving into the nabe.  But, somehow, I think there will still be enough diversity so it won't matter.  JHICON, mark my words, Jackson Heights won't turn into a tragedy. You're so melodramatic.  ARE YOU AN ACTOR?   JUST KIDDING.    ;D  Seriously, though I really believe there's room here for everyone.  Like Avela said, it's a seesaw:  people will come, people will go  AND LIFE WILL GO ON. LOL
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Re: Gentrification in JH?
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2008, 09:43:37 PM »
Thank "gawd" you don't. Or you would just fit lovely into that category. Actor lol, you and your animal amuse me.  I guess we will just have to wait and see what will result from all this. Lets just hope the snobs for once open there minds, and don't act likes pricks.  :2funny: 

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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2008, 09:50:25 PM »
Thank "gawd" you don't. Or you would just fit lovely into that category. Actor lol, you and your animal amuse me.  I guess we will just have to wait and see what will result from all this. Lets just hope the snobs for once open there minds, and don't act likes pricks.  :2funny: 


heheheheheheheeheheh :2funny:   You know what's really funny here?  I type "gawd" because I'm trying to be POLITICALLY CORRECT and not offend anyone's views on THE ALMIGHTY.  Avela's right, no one can win in this political crap merry go round ...
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2008, 09:52:20 PM »
Awe, it's nice to be politically correct. :2funny:
heheheheheheheeheheh :2funny:   You know what's really funny here?  I type "gawd" because I'm trying to be POLITICALLY CORRECT and not offend anyone's views on THE ALMIGHTY.  Avela's right, no one can win in this political crap merry go round ...
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Awe. I think I'll call it quits becuase I wouldn't want you to be more "Politically Correct"  all the time so good night to you and your animal  :D :D :D :D

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I just don't like going around the bush. :D ;D :2funny:
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Re: Gentrification in JH?
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2008, 10:56:26 PM »
Part of what makes gentrification such a hot-button issue is fear of (or at least resistance to) change.  People like the way the neighborhood is now, which is understandable.  I like many parts of it too.  But without change, it never would have become what it is.  Wasn't Jackson Heights just farm land back in the early part of the 20th century - and not even called Jackson Heights?  When all the garden apartments went up, it became very white and working class.  Then later it drew a lot of immigrants from Asia and South America.  And now it's changing again.  I'm probably missing some of the phases, but you get the point.  This neighborhood has been changing since its inception and will continue to change. 

To want to freeze it in its current state isn't really fair.  The current group of locals hasn't always been here.  They probably started moving here because they liked the area and could afford it.  And in the process they displaced the WWII-era residents, a few of whom are still around.  For that matter, WWII-era residents displaced all the farmers when the apartment buildings went up.  So now, people with more financial means are moving to Jackson Heights because they like the area and can afford it.   Naturally this will change the character of the neighborhood, just as it did the last time the neighborhood transitioned.  And current residents will be displaced.  But it's not their neighborhood any more than it's yours or mine or the senior citizens' or descendants of those farmers'.  It's everybody's, whether they've lived here 2 weeks or 60 years. 

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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2008, 11:07:01 PM »
normelrod, I have no issues with change in general.  I have happily welcomed many of the nice businesses that have recently appeared. However, I do have issues when people say that they like the community because of it's home town feel....you know, the whole mom and pop theory.  Then, these same people do an about face and complain about the same stores they claimed to like.  I don't get it.
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Re: Gentrification in JH?
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2008, 11:36:13 PM »
Hmm, I can't really say I've experienced that, but maybe I'm not understanding.  Care to elaborate?

I personally like the neighborhood feel, at least away from Roosevelt but don't like many of the stores in the neighborhood.  I don't have much use for 99 cent stores, check cashing places and hair salons.  It's also pretty obvious that many places just aren't for me.  Beyond necessities and the occasional meal at a restaurant, I spend my money elsewhere.  That will gradually change as the neighborhood changes.  I've already noticed a small change since I moved in 4 years ago. 

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Re: Gentrification in JH?
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2008, 03:53:48 AM »
One request - can we remove the happy faces from the posting menu? Pretty soon this list is all going to be one huge happy face.

But I digress. I actually do have a serious question. I moved to JH in August, after many years in Brooklyn and then a couple years away from NYC. JH was basically an unknown entity, but had good real estate prices and was convenient to my wife's new job. A few weeks after we moved in, I heard a reporter on WNYC reporting from the grade school on 37th about the first day of the school year. I will never forget the quote - "Many teachers have mixed feelings about the recent wave of gentrification in the neighborhood. Many of the more affluent parents have more time to become involved with the schools, which helps everyone. But with that involvement comes the potential for conflict between the newcomers and the existing populations, who have different needs."

What struck me was that I had not, till then, thought of Jackson Heights as a place where gentrification seemed rampant at all, and in fact, I'm not sure I se it now. But I'm new, so maybe what appears to me to be a predominantly latino population with sizable sub-populations of east Asian, south Asian and Anglo families is in fact a vastly different place from a few years ago. I don't know. It just seems diverse to me, but maybe that diversity is actually newer than I'd realized. I would be really interested to hear from people who have lived in the area for 5, 10, 20, 50 years -- what is different now? Has it really changed? Whether it's gentrification or not is a whole other question, I guess, and I'm really just more curious about whether it's really changing at all, and if what the direction and speed of those changes are, if any.

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Re: Gentrification in JH?
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2008, 08:32:33 AM »
normelrod, I have no issues with change in general.  I have happily welcomed many of the nice businesses that have recently appeared. However, I do have issues when people say that they like the community because of it's home town feel....you know, the whole mom and pop theory.  Then, these same people do an about face and complain about the same stores they claimed to like.  I don't get it.

Chuckster, I don't know anyone who likes the abundance of 99 cent stores.  And the second one closes, another one opens.  In 20 years living here, I wouldn't call it a mom/pop community.  In a way it's always been very incongruous to me... gorgeous buildings, homes, gardens along side some of the crappiest stores I know. (And I'm not going to offend anyone by naming which places I think are crappy.)   The neighborhood is sorely lacking in some amenities.  As others have pointed out in other posts, places that existed in the past would probably flourish now with the younger influx of people moving here from the City.  And hopefully a few establishments will open shop here and then there will truly be something for everyone.  I still go to Manhattan or Brooklyn when I want to take friends out unless they like Indian food in which case we have those other communities beat, hands down.
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Re: Gentrification in JH?
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2008, 09:24:05 AM »
Mankind has been gentrifying this planet ever since an intrepid bunch of our ancestors packed up and left Africa.  I don't lose any sleep over it at night, nor do I bang myself over the head due to some misplaced feelings of 'white guilt'.  I don't think there's going to be a strip of chichi wine bars, BMW and Mercedes dealerships, branches of Charles Schwab, Brooks Brothers, art galleries featuring postmodern art, trendy ethnic restaurants, gourmet coffee shops, and gelato stores along 37th Avenue any time in the foreseeable future. 

So relax.  Go to the Jackson Heights branch of the Queens library on 81st Street, they have Saturday and Sunday hours.  Get a library card if you don't have one already.  Check out the online search function, and find some books you are interested in.  You can even order books, and have them sent to the Jackson Heights branch from other branches, and just pick them up.  Go to Lety's, Espresso 77, Dunkin Donuts, City Coffee, Starbuck's, or any of the many other fine establishments in the neighborhood, and order a coffee, and enjoy your book.  Pick up a pastry at one of the many bakeries in the neighborhood.  Try out some food you haven't had before - Dosa Diner, or one of the many South American grillled meat restaurants - El Chivito D'Oro, La Boina Rojas, La Portena, etc.  The "yuppies"/"landed gentry" aren't invading the neighborhood anytime soon, they're waiting for the weather to warm up so they can all hang out in their $50,000/month rentals in the Hamptons with the usual suspects of superficiality (Puffy, Paris, is that you?).   
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Re: Gentrification in JH?
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2008, 09:24:05 AM »