Author Topic: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave  (Read 1288 times)

Offline 80JHer

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E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« on: February 25, 2019, 01:13:21 PM »
I’m sick of getting nearly clipped constantly on 37th ave by these lunatic delivery drivers. How the hell are they allowed to drive  on the sidewalks, let alone keep them parked all day.  The Chinese delivery guy is the worst on 79th and 37th, he comes in extra hot usually From a one way (going wrong way).   Metermaids just watch.

Since we don’t have cops here in JH, I’m not sure who could correct this?!? 

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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2019, 01:27:43 PM »
these things are a real menace the way they're currently used. 37th is really bad, as are the main streets near our office in Tribeca (Church and Varick, particularly). i can't see how it's legal to drive them on the sidewalk, and i REALLY think the city should require a driver's license, if not a specialized license, to operate. they're not "bicycles," no matter what the letter of the law currently says.

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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2019, 01:43:37 PM »
these things are a real menace the way they're currently used. 37th is really bad, as are the main streets near our office in Tribeca (Church and Varick, particularly). i can't see how it's legal to drive them on the sidewalk, and i REALLY think the city should require a driver's license, if not a specialized license, to operate. they're not "bicycles," no matter what the letter of the law currently says.

From  https://www.citylandnyc.org/scooters-hoverboards-bicycles-whats-legal/  :

The State will not register all motorized vehicles, so those incapable of registration are banned from operation in the public sphere entirely. For example, the State will not register e-bikes. Some but not all Mopeds are eligible for registration as “limited use motorcycle" and may be used legally on public thoroughfares. The State describes mopeds eligible for registration as two- or three-wheeled limited use vehicles equipped with either a seat or saddle for the rider. A “limited use vehicle,” as defined by the State, is a motor vehicle that can reach a maximum speed of no greater than forty miles-per-hour. A limited use vehicle—and thus, a limited use motorcycle—may not legally be operated in public unless it has been registered with the State Department of Motor Vehicles.

The City Council banned motorized scooters in 2004. The Council declared that motorized scooters pose a risk to the health and safety of their users, passengers in nearby vehicles, and pedestrians. The Council cited a United States Consumer Product Safety Commission report that reported that thousands of instances of emergency room visits in the year 2000 were tied to motorized scooter use, and that more than a third of those injured were younger than fifteen years old. The Council further stressed that while scooters were originally produced for operation at slower speeds, today’s motorized versions operate at such a high speed that road users and pedestrians should be concerned, especially due to the lack of licensing and safety requirements imposed on the motorized scooter and their users.

The Council’s 2004 law limited the ban to motorized scooters capable of traveling faster than fifteen miles-per-hour. In 2013, the Council dropped the speed criteria from the ban so that today, all motorized scooters are banned in New York City (NYC v. Onix Guzman, ECB Appeal No. 1501125 (Dec. 17, 2015)).


https://dmv.ny.gov/registration/motorized-devices-cannot-be-registered-new-york

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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2019, 11:58:32 AM »
I'm not a fan of ebikes particularly because they are nearly silent and really should never be allowed to be ridden in bike lanes.  Perhaps some sort of "sound generator" should be installed so that pedestrians have advanced warning of their presence?

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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2019, 11:01:12 AM »
This.

My wife told me that she and our son were inches from getting hit by one two weeks ago that was turning off a one-way street, going the wrong way, when they didn't have the light. She was livid, and started yelling at him, but he rode away.

They should absolutely not be allowed to ride on the sidewalks. THEY ARE NOT PEDESTRIANS. Sorry if I'm getting worked up, but this has grown to be a really touchy topic for me because of the numerous close-calls both me and my wife have had with our son. They're f'n reckless and it's annoying as well. Just follow the rules of the road. It's not that hard.

Offline jadasie

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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2019, 12:20:39 PM »
99% of e-bike riders are poorly paid deliverymen looking to make their jobs a bit easier. Complaints about them always strike me as obnoxious middle-class classism. We all like delivery. God forbid you're slightly inconvenienced by the minimum-income earning person making sure you never have to cook or leave your home to eat.

Offline 80JHer

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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2019, 01:40:14 PM »
Yes, us obnoxious middle classers! How dare us not want lunatics driving a heavy vechile on a packed pedestrian sidewalk.   We are so out of touch.

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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2019, 02:39:19 PM »
i think the delivery men do a very difficult job for very little appreciation, and are often abused by their bosses. that's why we should  levy fines against the bosses, not the drivers.

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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2019, 04:22:19 PM »
99% of e-bike riders are poorly paid deliverymen looking to make their jobs a bit easier. Complaints about them always strike me as obnoxious middle-class classism. We all like delivery. God forbid you're slightly inconvenienced by the minimum-income earning person making sure you never have to cook or leave your home to eat.

When did I move to reverso-world?

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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2019, 05:14:50 PM »
whenever you moved to NYC. serious answer, not taking sides.

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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2019, 05:37:13 PM »
whenever you moved to NYC. serious answer, not taking sides.

I was born here, in Queens.

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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2019, 06:08:02 PM »
99% of e-bike riders are poorly paid deliverymen looking to make their jobs a bit easier. Complaints about them always strike me as obnoxious middle-class classism. We all like delivery. God forbid you're slightly inconvenienced by the minimum-income earning person making sure you never have to cook or leave your home to eat.

When did I move to reverso-world?

If your meager livelihood depended on you racing from place to place for tips, perhaps you'd also be disinclined to follow all the rules of the road.

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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2019, 06:12:16 PM »
99% of e-bike riders are poorly paid deliverymen looking to make their jobs a bit easier. Complaints about them always strike me as obnoxious middle-class classism. We all like delivery. God forbid you're slightly inconvenienced by the minimum-income earning person making sure you never have to cook or leave your home to eat.

When did I move to reverso-world?

If your meager livelihood depended on you racing from place to place for tips, perhaps you'd also be disinclined to follow all the rules of the road.

Oh, stop, you are going to make me cry.  They have no right to run people over on the sidewalk. 

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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2019, 06:12:57 PM »
whenever you moved to NYC. serious answer, not taking sides.

BTW, I thought that was a good answer.

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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2019, 09:22:19 PM »
thanks.

and i agree that driving on the sidewalk is wrong. we wouldn't forgive people -- of any economic strata -- for blowing through red lights on the street in delivery mode.


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Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2019, 09:22:19 PM »