Author Topic: Nine stories not enough, city planners approve four more at "Target" building  (Read 12314 times)

Offline Ecrivain

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Bring on Target! The sooner the better.

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If people don't want a Target they won't shop there.

And Target will shut.

It's that simple.

Disallowing the option of making the choice is not free enterprise.

The other businesses will have competition. And THEY SHOULD RISE TO THE CHALLENGE.

There are places around the world where Starbucks set up shop and FAILED because cafes/businesses in those countries competed with Starbucks coffee/premises and sold a better product and superior customer experience.

It's business. I look forward to seeing how the other businesses LIFT THEIR GAME.

Maybe they can add a mariachi band!  Maybe they can offer Hispanic cooking demonstrations! Perhaps they can present Latino celebrities instore. There are literally hundreds of ideas of how to compete and win the loyalty of neighborhood customers. 

Fear of competition is a cowardly reason to ban anything.

« Last Edit: May 15, 2019, 09:26:20 AM by abcdefghijk »

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If people don't want a Target they won't shop there.

And Target will shut.

It's that simple.

Disallowing the option of making the choice is not free enterprise.

The other businesses will have competition. And THEY SHOULD RISE TO THE CHALLENGE.

There are places around the world where Starbucks set up shop and FAILED because cafes/businesses in those countries competed with Starbucks coffee/premises and sold a better product and superior customer experience.

It's business. I look forward to seeing how the other businesses LIFT THEIR GAME.

Maybe they can add a mariachi band!  Maybe they can offer Hispanic cooking demonstrations! Perhaps they can present Latino celebrities instore. There are literally hundreds of ideas of how to compete and win the loyalty of neighborhood customers. 

Fear of competition is a cowardly reason to ban anything.




It's not THAT simple actually. The format is set up so the bigger companies succeed. Rents are so high that an individual owner cannot last a year of losses. Target and Starbucks will always be able to withstand that pressure. Also, the marketing for these big businesses reaches so many more people - so yes they will get more business because of that. Yes, people choose to shop there but we are the ones that lose out because of it. Maybe we can choose what we want in our neighborhood. Maybe we should do whatever we can so that our neighbors are the ones making money - and not the minimum wage that just keeps people docile. We have so many stores here and you can get almost anything online too - I'd rather not have companies here that exist in every other town in the US. Anyways, just buy your crap from target.com if you need to - stay home and you don't even gotta put on pants.

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If people don't want a Target they won't shop there.

And Target will shut.

It's that simple.

Disallowing the option of making the choice is not free enterprise.

The other businesses will have competition. And THEY SHOULD RISE TO THE CHALLENGE.

There are places around the world where Starbucks set up shop and FAILED because cafes/businesses in those countries competed with Starbucks coffee/premises and sold a better product and superior customer experience.

It's business. I look forward to seeing how the other businesses LIFT THEIR GAME.

Maybe they can add a mariachi band!  Maybe they can offer Hispanic cooking demonstrations! Perhaps they can present Latino celebrities instore. There are literally hundreds of ideas of how to compete and win the loyalty of neighborhood customers. 

Fear of competition is a cowardly reason to ban anything.




It's not THAT simple actually. The format is set up so the bigger companies succeed. Rents are so high that an individual owner cannot last a year of losses. Target and Starbucks will always be able to withstand that pressure. Also, the marketing for these big businesses reaches so many more people - so yes they will get more business because of that. Yes, people choose to shop there but we are the ones that lose out because of it. Maybe we can choose what we want in our neighborhood. Maybe we should do whatever we can so that our neighbors are the ones making money - and not the minimum wage that just keeps people docile. We have so many stores here and you can get almost anything online too - I'd rather not have companies here that exist in every other town in the US. Anyways, just buy your crap from target.com if you need to - stay home and you don't even gotta put on pants.

The trouble with your logic is that it is YOU selecting who can open in this neighborhood. And who can't. Alas, that logic comes from a sort of arrogance. One that seems to think YOU know what's best. Rather than a free market.

Take note. With all the money and resources Starbucks has... yet still it failed in certain countries/markets. (And not by being banned from opening!)
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If people don't want a Target they won't shop there.

And Target will shut.

It's that simple.

Disallowing the option of making the choice is not free enterprise.

The other businesses will have competition. And THEY SHOULD RISE TO THE CHALLENGE.

There are places around the world where Starbucks set up shop and FAILED because cafes/businesses in those countries competed with Starbucks coffee/premises and sold a better product and superior customer experience.

It's business. I look forward to seeing how the other businesses LIFT THEIR GAME.

Maybe they can add a mariachi band!  Maybe they can offer Hispanic cooking demonstrations! Perhaps they can present Latino celebrities instore. There are literally hundreds of ideas of how to compete and win the loyalty of neighborhood customers. 

Fear of competition is a cowardly reason to ban anything.




It's not THAT simple actually. The format is set up so the bigger companies succeed. Rents are so high that an individual owner cannot last a year of losses. Target and Starbucks will always be able to withstand that pressure. Also, the marketing for these big businesses reaches so many more people - so yes they will get more business because of that. Yes, people choose to shop there but we are the ones that lose out because of it. Maybe we can choose what we want in our neighborhood. Maybe we should do whatever we can so that our neighbors are the ones making money - and not the minimum wage that just keeps people docile. We have so many stores here and you can get almost anything online too - I'd rather not have companies here that exist in every other town in the US. Anyways, just buy your crap from target.com if you need to - stay home and you don't even gotta put on pants.

That’s sounds dangerous, that type of thinking. Who gets to decide who can open businesses in JH? What’s next?,  people will decide who is allowed and who’s not allowed to live in JH?

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then again, people *have* frequently come on here to suggest that commercial landlords need to be investigated for favoring people of their own ethnic groups, and to suggest we "need to do something" to stop the opening of more pharmacies/phone stores. also a dangerous concept.

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The final public hearing regarding the new Target was held yesterday with the QNU group and the city Board of Standards and Appeals. According to the article, a decision will be released at a later date.

From QNS.com:

‘Seriously consider our testimony’: Elmhurst Target development reaches BSA hearing


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The final public hearing regarding the new Target was held yesterday with the QNU group and the city Board of Standards and Appeals. According to the article, a decision will be released at a later date.

From QNS.com:

‘Seriously consider our testimony’: Elmhurst Target development reaches BSA hearing

Ugh. The "activists" sound obnoxious. They also seem to have no idea that they do not speak for the entire community. Time for me to send my letter of support for Target to the BSA.

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The final public hearing regarding the new Target was held yesterday with the QNU group and the city Board of Standards and Appeals. According to the article, a decision will be released at a later date.

From QNS.com:

‘Seriously consider our testimony’: Elmhurst Target development reaches BSA hearing

Ugh. The "activists" sound obnoxious. They also seem to have no idea that they do not speak for the entire community. Time for me to send my letter of support for Target to the BSA.

You could start a petition at https://www.change.org/
In support of the project. Then the silent majority might lend their support which can be presented to the powers-that-be.

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i'm agnostic about having a Target in the neighborhood. i like the chain's politics, i like their efforts to hire locally, but i probably won't shop there because they don't really have much for sale to draw me in. if i lived closer to the location -- 81st or 83rd street, say -- because i'd be directly impacted by increased traffic. it'll be interesting to watch it play out.

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The final public hearing regarding the new Target was held yesterday with the QNU group and the city Board of Standards and Appeals. According to the article, a decision will be released at a later date.

From QNS.com:

‘Seriously consider our testimony’: Elmhurst Target development reaches BSA hearing

Ugh. The "activists" sound obnoxious. They also seem to have no idea that they do not speak for the entire community. Time for me to send my letter of support for Target to the BSA.

They are the most obnoxious. Seriously, I challenge anyone to visit their social media pages and find anything positive. They're racist, anti-establishment, and fight for the most insane things (yes to decrim prostitution, no to Target, huh?). They're constantly claiming that they have the voice of the community, and they're barely able to collect 200 signatures against Target...please. In a community with a population of 170k+ that's literally like .001%. I'm can't wait for them to just go away.

As for the suggestion to start a petition, that's not a bad idea actually. I'm going to be really bummed if we lose Target.

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I sent my letter today to the BSA as suggested earlier in this thread. I hand wrote it and sent it snail mail, thinking it would have more impact that way. But perhaps I should send an email as well.

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perhaps I should send an email as well.

I don't find an email address per Olivesta at https://www1.nyc.gov/site/bsa/index.page

Do you have one, Shelby? What address did you snail mail to?

Will you relay here some basic concepts from your letter to help others construct their own? I am going to point out that we have only two home goods shops, one smaller than a corner bodega, the other almost unknown, upstairs from a cosmetics store and more like a tiny warehouse. And compare that to an innumerable presence of pharmacies and cell phone stores. (Note & comment, will Target contain a pharmacy?)

JK Resident posted awhile ago that the area is an opportunity zone. If true, why should there be any opposition to new business in an opportunity zone? QNU is using the traffic around the hospital as an excuse.

If we do anything, we have to do it now.

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perhaps I should send an email as well.

I don't find an email address per Olivesta at https://www1.nyc.gov/site/bsa/index.page

Do you have one, Shelby? What address did you snail mail to?

Will you relay here some basic concepts from your letter to help others construct their own? I am going to point out that we have only two home goods shops, one smaller than a corner bodega, the other almost unknown, upstairs from a cosmetics store and more like a tiny warehouse. And compare that to an innumerable presence of pharmacies and cell phone stores. (Note & comment, will Target contain a pharmacy?)

JK Resident posted awhile ago that the area is an opportunity zone. If true, why should there be any opposition to new business in an opportunity zone? QNU is using the traffic around the hospital as an excuse.

If we do anything, we have to do it now.

I used the snail mail address on this page. https://www1.nyc.gov/site/bsa/contact-bsa/contact-bsa.page I also put the case number from this post in the text of my letter on the front of the envelope.

There is an "email the Chair" button also on the contact page for the BSA (look to the left).

My letter was not that great and should probably not be used as a template. It was very basic - I just expressed my support for the project, stated where I lived, and also mentioned that I know many others who support it, and please not to listen to just one very vocal group who purports to represent the community's opinion (against the project).

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I am going to point out that we have only two home goods shops, one smaller than a corner bodega, the other almost unknown, upstairs from a cosmetics store and more like a tiny warehouse. And compare that to an innumerable presence of pharmacies and cell phone stores. (Note & comment, will Target contain a pharmacy?)

As far as I can tell from a quick google search, Target just might contain a pharmacy. And home goods looks more like pillows than cast iron pans (that I don't want to buy online for obvious reasons).

Help me out here, people.

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