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Offline toddg

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Re: Nine stories not enough, city planners approve four more at "Target" building
« Reply #75 on: September 22, 2018, 01:17:40 PM »
Target is trying out smaller-format stores across the country.  Here's a Target PR page on its small-format stores:
https://corporate.target.com/article/2018/07/small-format-stores

Here's the 45,000 square foot Target in TriBeCa:
http://fortune.com/2016/10/05/target-manhattan-smaller-store/

Here's the 12,800 square foot Target in Chicago:
https://www.retaildive.com/news/target-expanding-urban-footprint-with-new-chicago-store/513628/

The Elmhurst Target was reported last year to be 23,580 square feet.  I haven't seen an updated estimate, but I don't believe Target has gotten smaller in this new proposal.  They'll have about 23,000 square feet on the lower level plus some additional footprint on the ground floor.

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Re: Nine stories not enough, city planners approve four more at "Target" building
« Reply #76 on: September 24, 2018, 12:42:17 PM »
True we don’t have a before and after revision number as to the exact square footage. They just could be chopping up the other retail but I believe it is all related to the off street parking requirements in this zoning district. I believe that the developers may also be building the commercial portion of the project now and then later add the residential tower. It may be cheaper to do it like that. This was done at the Costco in Rego Park.

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New rendering for "The Shoppes on 82nd Street" seems to be just two stories.
https://newyorkyimby.com/2019/01/rendering-revealed-for-40-31-82nd-street-in-jackson-heights-queens.html

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New rendering for "The Shoppes on 82nd Street" seems to be just two stories.
https://newyorkyimby.com/2019/01/rendering-revealed-for-40-31-82nd-street-in-jackson-heights-queens.html

Fancy, it's not.

Hmmmm...."Shoppes" with an Olde Worlde British feel? Not really.

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Well without Target as an anchor store, let me take a wild guess at what we'll see there:
Retail A: Fruit stand
Retail B: Frozen yogurt place
Retail C: Another independent pharmacy
Retail D: Streetwalker dress shop (shoppe?)
Retail E: 99¢ discount store

Thanks all you rabble-rousers. I'd have rather kept the theater.

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Is Target out of the picture?

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Target is still alive and kicking ;-)

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I'm so confused about the status of this project. Here's a long story about the whole conflict that was published yesterday, but does not necessarily clarify what's happening now:
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/01/queens-target-jackson-heights-amazon-zoning-gentrification/580717/

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I'm so confused about the status of this project. Here's a long story about the whole conflict that was published yesterday, but does not necessarily clarify what's happening now:
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/01/queens-target-jackson-heights-amazon-zoning-gentrification/580717/

From what I've read and documentaries I've watched, Brooklyn went through a similar anti-gentrification movement 15 years ago.  And probably 15 years before that the LES also struggled against these issues. (Like in RENT. The musical.)

Well, we all know what happened and how the conflict panned out.




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yes we do. they became a little more like Cincinnati.

 
« Last Edit: January 24, 2019, 08:35:51 PM by dssjh »

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I'm so confused about the status of this project. Here's a long story about the whole conflict that was published yesterday, but does not necessarily clarify what's happening now:
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/01/queens-target-jackson-heights-amazon-zoning-gentrification/580717/

What I got from the article is that the plans for Target are proceeding. It doesn't exactly say that, but it says that QNU tried to have the developer's building permit annulled. They requested that the judge either shut down the project entirely or impose a temporary stop-work order until the ruling by the city’s Board of Standards and Appeal, expected in March. However, the the Supreme Court judge refused to issue a stop-work order and deferred the case back to the Board of Standards and Appeal.

"A few days after the community trial, community members packed a New York State Supreme Court room on January 10, in support of QNU’s suit against the developers. They argued before the judge to have the developer’s building permit annulled. Construction on the project has begun and QNU says that with the case pending the developers have been fast-tracking construction efforts at the site in a race against the clock. They requested that the judge either shut down the project entirely or impose a temporary stop-work order until the ruling by the city’s Board of Standards and Appeal, expected in March.

The Supreme Court judge refused to issue a stop-work order and deferred the case back to the Board of Standards and Appeal."

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I'm not really wanting box stores like Target moving into the neighborhood... but is Target more valuable to the residents than run-down dollar stores and hoochie-mama shops?  It's a legitimate question, and I don't know the answer.  At least hoochie-mama shops are locally owned (or so I assume).

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I'm not really wanting box stores like Target moving into the neighborhood... but is Target more valuable to the residents than run-down dollar stores and hoochie-mama shops?  It's a legitimate question, and I don't know the answer.  At least hoochie-mama shops are locally owned (or so I assume).

I think Target is valuable to many residents, and many residents want it here. The problem is the Queens Neighborhoods United group makes a lot of noise and is trying to make people believe that all area residents are against Target. And that is simply not true.

I absolutely prefer Target over a bunch of 99 cent stores.

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I'm not really wanting box stores like Target moving into the neighborhood... but is Target more valuable to the residents than run-down dollar stores and hoochie-mama shops?  It's a legitimate question, and I don't know the answer.  At least hoochie-mama shops are locally owned (or so I assume).

I think Target is valuable to many residents, and many residents want it here. The problem is the Queens Neighborhoods United group makes a lot of noise and is trying to make people believe that all area residents are against Target. And that is simply not true.

I absolutely prefer Target over a bunch of 99 cent stores.

Tend to agree. I was at the recently opened Essex Crossing Target on the LES recently. I assume the size will be similar to the one here.  The Target grocery section is pretty good.

They also have a giant spacious Trader Joes in the complex without long, long lines, so they are spoiled. 

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I'm so confused about the status of this project. Here's a long story about the whole conflict that was published yesterday, but does not necessarily clarify what's happening now:
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/01/queens-target-jackson-heights-amazon-zoning-gentrification/580717/

What I got from the article is that the plans for Target are proceeding. It doesn't exactly say that, but it says that QNU tried to have the developer's building permit annulled. They requested that the judge either shut down the project entirely or impose a temporary stop-work order until the ruling by the city’s Board of Standards and Appeal, expected in March. However, the the Supreme Court judge refused to issue a stop-work order and deferred the case back to the Board of Standards and Appeal.

"A few days after the community trial, community members packed a New York State Supreme Court room on January 10, in support of QNU’s suit against the developers. They argued before the judge to have the developer’s building permit annulled. Construction on the project has begun and QNU says that with the case pending the developers have been fast-tracking construction efforts at the site in a race against the clock. They requested that the judge either shut down the project entirely or impose a temporary stop-work order until the ruling by the city’s Board of Standards and Appeal, expected in March.

The Supreme Court judge refused to issue a stop-work order and deferred the case back to the Board of Standards and Appeal."

Thanks for the close read. I think you're right. I am confused about what the current proposal is exactly though-- e.g. how many stories? The rendering on the latest article on YIMBY looked like it was only 2 or 3.

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