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Offline dssjh

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Re: ICE rumors
« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2017, 09:13:52 AM »
with all due respect, i humbly offer that i will never treat a bigot with civility.

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Re: ICE rumors
« Reply #76 on: February 18, 2017, 10:14:41 AM »
"Correct, or they did something minor years ago and now are law abiding non citizens. like the woman who had a fake SS number and was checking in with the authorities yearly, paying taxes."

A fake social security number? It had to have belonged to someone legit sooner or later, no?

I am a victim of identity theft. Someone else used my social security number so that they could work. However, they got to keep the pay check, and I was billed for the taxes on it. SS# theft is not a benign crime. I almost lost my apartment to IRS collections.



Her story was all over the news, I don't think it was identity
theft. That incident wasn't minor, when I posted I was running my
thoughts together.




I would also add that anyone who really, REALLY interacts with immigrants (unlike the ones who just like the cuisines) surely knows when someone is illegal. My BFF is here illegally. My daughter's friend married a schoolmate so she could stay, and I too was asked to marry someone for the same reason. A sure giveaway is that an illegal won't travel outside the U.S. no matter how much they want to go home.

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Re: ICE rumors
« Reply #77 on: February 18, 2017, 10:39:21 AM »
"Her story was all over the news, I don't think it was identity
theft. That incident wasn't minor, when I posted I was running my
thoughts together."


Using someone else's social security number is identity theft. It took me years to straighten things out with the IRS. To the investigators at the IRS, no matter what they do to help you, it keeps coming back to your number, and the process starts all over again. You are both victim and criminal in their eyes. I got to the point where I was summoned to court and threatened with seizure of assets including my home. I am now permanently in fraud mode with the IRS. Yearly I receive a new number that is linked to my SS number that indicates that I am not the other user. The other user is probably smart enough to never use my number again. They got away with it, and I was left with cleaning up the mess.

Based on my experience, I believe ID/SS# theft is rampant and costs taxpayers dearly from a government/bureaucracy standpoint.
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Re: ICE rumors
« Reply #78 on: February 18, 2017, 12:02:20 PM »
"Her story was all over the news, I don't think it was identity
theft. That incident wasn't minor, when I posted I was running my
thoughts together."


Using someone else's social security number is identity theft. It took me years to straighten things out with the IRS. To the investigators at the IRS, no matter what they do to help you, it keeps coming back to your number, and the process starts all over again. You are both victim and criminal in their eyes. I got to the point where I was summoned to court and threatened with seizure of assets including my home. I am now permanently in fraud mode with the IRS. Yearly I receive a new number that is linked to my SS number that indicates that I am not the other user. The other user is probably smart enough to never use my number again. They got away with it, and I was left with cleaning up the mess.

Based on my experience, I believe ID/SS# theft is rampant and costs taxpayers dearly from a government/bureaucracy standpoint.

and what is the per capita use of identity theft from undocumented immigrants vs the rest of the country?
until you can show they have a higher per capita use of these things, this is more fear-mongering.

Offline SamInNY

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Re: ICE rumors
« Reply #79 on: February 18, 2017, 12:39:00 PM »
Another side of the story re: fake SSNs according to the chief actuary of the SSA

"Stephen Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, estimates that about 1.8 million immigrants were working with fake or stolen Social Security cards in 2010, and he expects that number to reach 3.4 million by 2040. He calculates that undocumented immigrants paid $13 billion into the retirement trust fund that year, and only got about $1 billion in benefits."

He goes on to say that the SSA counts on those funds going unclaimed in order to pay out benefits to elderly retired workers.

The link to one article (picked somewhat at random because it's relatively short):

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/



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Re: ICE rumors
« Reply #80 on: February 18, 2017, 01:39:56 PM »
"He goes on to say that the SSA counts on those funds going unclaimed in order to pay out benefits to elderly retired workers."

Yay. More money for me. Yippee. And think of the jobs it creates. I had an hours-long phone convo once with numerous investigators on a Saturday afternoon, and a few Sunday evening calls too, indicators that business is brisk.

Thanks for making me smile, Sam.

"The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a Washington, D.C., think tank, estimates that about half of undocumented workers in the United States pay income taxes."

Wouldn't this monetary loss deplete that excess money?
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Re: ICE rumors
« Reply #81 on: February 18, 2017, 01:51:20 PM »
"Her story was all over the news, I don't think it was identity
theft. That incident wasn't minor, when I posted I was running my
thoughts together."


Using someone else's social security number is identity theft. It took me years to straighten things out with the IRS. To the investigators at the IRS, no matter what they do to help you, it keeps coming back to your number, and the process starts all over again. You are both victim and criminal in their eyes. I got to the point where I was summoned to court and threatened with seizure of assets including my home. I am now permanently in fraud mode with the IRS. Yearly I receive a new number that is linked to my SS number that indicates that I am not the other user. The other user is probably smart enough to never use my number again. They got away with it, and I was left with cleaning up the mess.

Based on my experience, I believe ID/SS# theft is rampant and costs taxpayers dearly from a government/bureaucracy standpoint.

That's horrible. No one should have to go through that.

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Re: ICE rumors
« Reply #82 on: February 18, 2017, 06:05:38 PM »
As someone who has had many employers take money out of my paychecks for taxes, what is the situation where someone whose SSN is being used to get work ends up owing taxes? Was the person using your SSN claiming too many dependents, thereby not paying enough in taxes? Or did the increased total income bump up your tax rate?

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Re: ICE rumors
« Reply #83 on: February 18, 2017, 07:09:06 PM »
"Her story was all over the news, I don't think it was identity
theft. That incident wasn't minor, when I posted I was running my
thoughts together."


Using someone else's social security number is identity theft. It took me years to straighten things out with the IRS. To the investigators at the IRS, no matter what they do to help you, it keeps coming back to your number, and the process starts all over again. You are both victim and criminal in their eyes. I got to the point where I was summoned to court and threatened with seizure of assets including my home. I am now permanently in fraud mode with the IRS. Yearly I receive a new number that is linked to my SS number that indicates that I am not the other user. The other user is probably smart enough to never use my number again. They got away with it, and I was left with cleaning up the mess.

Based on my experience, I believe ID/SS# theft is rampant and costs taxpayers dearly from a government/bureaucracy standpoint.


Sorry to hear about that jeanette.  i also know several people who were victims to identify theft.

 i even had my amex card number stolen 20 years ago, and someone ran up thousands of dollars, fortunately i was able to squash it. They didn't go so far as opening accounts in my name or do anything else.
in terms of this woman, i  don't think she took someone elses number, i think she came up with a fake number.  The irs didn't find that there was another name attached to the number. im also not excusing her behavior. But, its interesting how others feel about it.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/irs-looks-the-other-way-at-illegal-immigrants-social-security-fraud/article/2588478
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/courts-using-anothers-ssn-not-crime-f6C10406382

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/arizona-woman-deported-possibly-first-under-trump-immigration-orders-n718986

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Re: ICE rumors
« Reply #84 on: February 18, 2017, 08:21:05 PM »
the immigrants in question using fake social security numbers are not, as a rule, using duplicate numbers, which would be flagged pretty readily. they're using numbers stolen from dead people, and even, numbers of infants and children who haven't entered the system yet. yes, that's illegal, but it's slightly different than the kind of ID theft you're talking about (which i think is worse and i hate to even imagine, sorry!).

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« Reply #85 on: February 18, 2017, 10:04:07 PM »
the immigrants in question using fake social security numbers are not, as a rule, using duplicate numbers, which would be flagged pretty readily. they're using numbers stolen from dead people, and even, numbers of infants and children who haven't entered the system yet. yes, that's illegal, but it's slightly different than the kind of ID theft you're talking about (which i think is worse and i hate to even imagine, sorry!).

Thats what i read as well.

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Re: ICE rumors
« Reply #86 on: February 19, 2017, 10:36:12 AM »
I wonder whose identities are being used by the guys selling social security cards on Roosevelt avenue.

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Re: ICE rumors
« Reply #87 on: February 19, 2017, 05:22:15 PM »
I wonder whose identities are being used by the guys selling social security cards on Roosevelt avenue.

Is it OK to deport those guys?

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Re: ICE rumors
« Reply #88 on: February 19, 2017, 06:13:44 PM »
Yes. Deport them. To Rikers Island.

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Legal Aid hotline re: ICE raids
« Reply #89 on: February 24, 2017, 02:56:28 PM »
February 12, 2017
***FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE***

The Legal Aid Society Unveils Hotline to Assist Immigrant Communities Impacted by Recent ICE Raids
(New York, NY) – The Legal Aid Society unveiled a hotline this morning following confirmed reports yesterday of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids throughout the city. The hotline went live at 8 a.m. Sunday and Legal Aid attorneys are now reachable in various languages to assist families who have an immediate ICE detention case, questions about their rights or other pressing immigration concerns. Legal Aid also issued an emergency plan fact sheet to help communities prepare in case of detention and deportation of a family member.

New Yorkers can contact the hotline by calling - 844-955-3425 and access important information by visiting www.legal-aid.org.

“The confirmed reports from neighborhood organizations and others yesterday regarding ICE raids on Staten Island have us all concerned. We fear for our clients, immigrants, and others historically marginalized who now live in constant uncertainty,” said The Legal Aid Society’s Attorney-in-Chief Seymour W. James Jr. “Any New Yorker who has been impacted by these raids or has a basic immigration question can call our hotline for immediate legal assistance – Legal Aid attorneys are standing by and ready to help. Our hearts our broken for the impacted families but our resolve to defend is not. As we have for the past 140 years, The Legal Aid Society will continue undeterred protecting the city’s vulnerable, especially in these troubled times.”
 
 
 
 
 
 



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« Reply #89 on: February 24, 2017, 02:56:28 PM »