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Offline itsit

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Re: Travers Park Update
« Reply #90 on: April 14, 2019, 12:21:52 PM »
 There are two sides -or opinions here - and it would be in the best interest of the community if two sides were able to be heard
here. Why can the discussion be civil with both sides able to present their views? Different points of view shouldn't be so
threatening really.
  It's not clear cut at all.

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Re: Travers Park Update
« Reply #91 on: April 16, 2019, 12:09:51 PM »
City officials were AWOL at an overflow town hall meeting in Jackson Heights on Monday night, when dozens of residents demanded the city keep its promise to transform a single local street into a car-free plaza — a years-in-the-making plan that’s now in jeopardy so a politically connected car dealer can use a portion of the street near deadly Northern Boulevard.


Full story:
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2019/04/16/the-city-was-a-no-show-at-monday-nights-massive-jackson-heights-town-hall/

Offline queenskid2

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Re: Travers Park Update
« Reply #92 on: April 16, 2019, 12:29:33 PM »




the park plan is being changed.

for Koeppel's private use.

that's a "perk" that i wouldn't get if i were a homeowner.



As I asked in another post, hasn't that service entrance been there for decades?  Do you think the city has the right to permanently take away the garage entrance for a business or a private home.  Does the car dealership have an alternative entrance it can use?

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Re: Travers Park Update
« Reply #93 on: April 20, 2019, 01:50:19 PM »
The only reason the idea of a street closure is possible is because there are no houses.

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« Reply #94 on: April 20, 2019, 05:58:04 PM »
Too bad they didn't buy the land from the dealership and extend the park to the  end of the block.  That would have made the most sense.  It is, however, a business, so while I too would like a car free zone ( I'd like to see one on all of 74 street and 82 street as well) I really don't think people should be complaining about it at this point.

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« Reply #95 on: April 20, 2019, 10:01:03 PM »
I'm really confused about all of this "closed street" discussion

It only focuses on the Mazda dealership.

Garden School has six garages beyond the existing concrete barrier.

Are they going to be "repurposed" or no longer exist?

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« Reply #96 on: April 21, 2019, 04:06:06 PM »
There are two sides -or opinions here - and it would be in the best interest of the community if two sides were able to be heard
here. Why can the discussion be civil with both sides able to present their views? Different points of view shouldn't be so
threatening really.
  It's not clear cut at all.

Because people have their views, people in general are so afraid of being wrong that they will sometimes do things against their own interests in the pursuit of making sure whatever agenda or team they are on is always right. Even if they can take a moment to critically think about it the fear of being wrong means they don't act on it and continue down the road they are on until the end or until it unquestionably affects them negatively enough to have to bail.

There's been a whole lot of this the last 3 years.

Changing someone mind about something, especially on the internet, is folly. It take sitting down and asking rational question after question and making people defend their view.

Offline Jhx

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Re: Travers Park Update
« Reply #97 on: April 21, 2019, 05:18:24 PM »
The curb cut for a driveway still exists from the previous building. So I think the dealership was built with the premise of using the existing driveway. Did the original plan for the park contain the driveway? It certainly was a lovely day for a walk in the park.

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« Reply #98 on: April 21, 2019, 08:04:48 PM »
  Why can't the discussion be civil with both sides able to present their views?
Because internet.

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« Reply #99 on: April 21, 2019, 08:48:59 PM »
i think it happens most often when there's a small number of dissenting opinions -- and i don't think that makes it right by any means. i mean, i've been shouted down and insulted in old threads where i suggested that living near an airport might lead to experiencing airplane noise on occasion. so i stopped making that off-the-wall suggestion. everyone should offer their opinion without fear of being insulted. arguing the other side, robustly, on the other hand, is fine.

 

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« Reply #100 on: April 21, 2019, 10:19:16 PM »
I'm really confused about all of this "closed street" discussion

It only focuses on the Mazda dealership.

Garden School has six garages beyond the existing concrete barrier.

Are they going to be "repurposed" or no longer exist?

This is a good point. For all the talk of "the city's 2015 plan," there's nothing more than some drawings. If the owner of the Koeppel property and the Garden school were willing to relinquish their access to their respective garages, I doubt they would do so without compensation. In any event, something would have to be in writing. If the 2015 plan was supposed to be iron-clad, then the agreements with these property owners would certainly help the cause.

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Re: Travers Park Update
« Reply #101 on: April 22, 2019, 09:12:14 AM »
As a long-time park and environmental sustainability advocate, I'm a little conflicted about this matter.
If were starting from scratch on that site, I would prefer all of 78th Street to be closed down for the park. As someone who was involved in the park expansion from the beginning, I'm kind of mystified by the changes here. I remember that the the Garden School and the car dealership, originally Queensboro Toyota, would have access to the northern most segment of the street. Clearly something changed and the entire street was to become parkland. And then it wasn't.
I think we need to remember that Jackson Heights and it's organizations won a huge victory to expand and recreate the park. I'm concerned that closing the northern-most end of 78th Street would cause an undo burden for the school and car dealership that will not provide a substantial benefit.
This is not to criticize those working to extend the park all the way to Northern Boulevard, but personally I think we'd be better off spending our energies looking for new park/open space in Jackson Heights; opportunities to make our neighborhood more environmentally sustainable, AND  helping NYC Parks maintain Travers Park.
JHBG's Friends of Travers Park is revving up again after the park's two year shutdown. If you are interested in participating in Friends of Travers Park, contact me at lenmaniace@gmail.com with FOTP in the subject line, Thank you.
And Happy Earth Day!

 

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Re: Travers Park Update
« Reply #102 on: May 07, 2019, 01:05:14 PM »
Green lawn is now officially open and it's beautiful!

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Re: Travers Park Update
« Reply #103 on: May 07, 2019, 01:08:13 PM »
Green lawn is now officially open and it's beautiful!

Sweet!

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Re: Travers Park Update
« Reply #104 on: May 07, 2019, 02:00:48 PM »
Green lawn is now officially open and it's beautiful!

Yes! It looks great!




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Re: Travers Park Update
« Reply #104 on: May 07, 2019, 02:00:48 PM »