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Offline StevenGrey

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Re: Jackson Heights' Notoriety
« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2008, 11:13:46 AM »
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The real problem however is perhaps with the word gentrification its self. It would be interesting to explore the roots of the word (any English teachers out there?) as I don't think it was meant to be a positive term. Community development, renaissance, chage etc. good terms gentrification seems to have a negative connotation.

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The root of "gentrification", "gentry", derives from the Old French word genterise (a variant of gentilise), meaning the people of noble birth. Sociologist Ruth Glass coined the term in 1964 to mean the influx of wealthier individuals into cities or neighborhoods who replace working or lower-classes already living there. She defined it by using London districts such as Islington as her example: One by one, many of the working class quarters of London have been invaded by the middle-classes—upper and lower. Shabby, modest mews and cottages—two rooms up and two down—have been taken over, when their leases have expired, and have become elegant, expensive residences [...]. Once this process of 'gentrification' starts in a district it goes on rapidly until all or most of the original working-class occupiers are displaced and the whole social character of the district is changed. The U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention defines gentrification as "transformation of neighborhoods from low value to high value."

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So it DOES have a built-in negative connotation, although one must assume a radical liberal bias based on the word's origin. Oddly enough, when predominantly white middle-class families moved away from the cities and out to the suburbs, these same sociologists ALSO blamed them for the resulting urban decay via the phenomenon they called "white flight".

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« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2008, 05:12:26 PM »
it's not anti-white professionals, it's anti people who want to bask in the scene du jour. wehn this crew gets in, big businesses take notice and then we have an ikea - like red hook.

For the record-- I just have to say that I went to Ikea in Red Hook today and I had an awesome lunch of Swedish meatballs in creamy gravy with mashed potatoes and lingonberry sauce for $4.99.  The Red Hook elderly syndicate seemed to be thouroughly enjoying the cafeteria and it was packed.  The majority of shoppers at Ikea were not hipsters, there were a lot of minorities and elderly.  Yes, I did see a few hipster moms perusing the isles.  I asked a woman in the cafeteria if she gets health insurance, she said yes, you only have to work part-time to get full benefits.  I was really pleased as the majority of staff at Ikea were African American and Latino.  Obviously, Ikea has employed a lot of people in the neighborhood with goods jobs that have full benefits.

I wish they would build an Ikea here.  Although, I tend to support more mom and pop store businesses I have no problem supporting a corporation that treats their employees so well.

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« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2008, 09:34:14 PM »
I've been away so haven't been following this thread until now.

todd, you know I love these threads on the gentrification of Jackson Heights.  :2funny:

People, people, it's never going to happen on the scale of some Brooklyn neighborhoods because there aren't many large, as in factory type, spaces.  You need that to have the hipster factor because the artists and musicians move in first. 

Sorry to say just because E77 and Starbucks and the yogurt stores are here isn't gonna make that big a difference.  but ikea.... where would they fit?
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« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2008, 09:36:28 PM »
Ikea at Bulova Headquarters? he he he. Although, they would have to keep the amazing art deco decor.

I do think that the artists are here and they are coming.  They can't afford anywhere else.  That is what happens, Soho, East Village, Williamsburg, Greenpoint, Long Island City, Red Hook then Jackson Heights?  I am not saying change will happen overnight or that we will be exactly like these other neighborhoods but yes, I think change is a comin!  More than a handful of artists in my building alone.  Have you looked at the rent for a loft in Williamsburg lately.  For-gedda-bout-it.
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« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2008, 09:43:18 PM »
How about LaGuardia Marine Air Terminal?


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« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2008, 09:54:51 PM »
Is Laguardia Marine terminal empty?  I'd love Ikea here.  I need to buy a coffee table to replace the one I took from my apartment to Conn.  Red Hook is sooooo very far away.   :)
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« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2008, 10:09:43 PM »
Is Laguardia Marine terminal empty?  I'd love Ikea here.  I need to buy a coffee table to replace the one I took from my apartment to Conn.  Red Hook is sooooo very far away.   :)

No, it's not empty but it might be soon given the way the airline industry is going. . .

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« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2008, 10:10:54 PM »
Is Laguardia Marine terminal empty?  I'd love Ikea here.  I need to buy a coffee table to replace the one I took from my apartment to Conn.  Red Hook is sooooo very far away.   :)

Where in CT?  There is a huge Ikea right next to I-95 in New Haven.

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« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2008, 10:23:45 PM »
I'm sure the Koppel family would be happy to give up one of their many lots along Northern Boulevard so we could have an Ikea, or a B&N, Home Deopt, Whole Foods, Trader Joes, etc.  Thats' about the only space in the area that could support any of those store and it would be a tight squeeze at that. Also, the Koppels are way to entrenched, good luck getting them to ever give up any land.
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« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2008, 11:38:53 PM »
ugh, please no Ikea. you guys really like that place? everything breaks after a year.
i do have a great cup and bowl from there though.

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« Reply #55 on: August 28, 2008, 09:29:25 AM »
Once in a blue you get a decent pieces of furniture or a shelf. But it's not worth having a Yellow and Blue Behemoth a few blocks away. 
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« Reply #56 on: August 28, 2008, 12:02:20 PM »
I'm sure the Koppel family would be happy to give up one of their many lots along Northern Boulevard so we could have an Ikea, or a B&N, Home Deopt, Whole Foods, Trader Joes, etc.  Thats' about the only space in the area that could support any of those store and it would be a tight squeeze at that. Also, the Koppels are way to entrenched, good luck getting them to ever give up any land.

I know it sounds crazy but I prefer all the car dealerships along Northern Blvd. to any kind of retail.  I am dreading the day they start turning into malls or super-stores of any sort.

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« Reply #57 on: August 28, 2008, 01:04:00 PM »
When they replaced the Ronzoni Pasta Factory and the Gallo Wines warehouse with what is now Stop & Shop. Toys R Us, etc. over on Northern near 48th St. it seemed like an improvement., But I guess the increased traffic and pollution is a draw back.
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« Reply #58 on: August 28, 2008, 10:14:11 PM »
Where in CT?  There is a huge Ikea right next to I-95 in New Haven.

hmmm, I'm between New Haven and East Haven near the water.  I'll go there and check them since it's so much easier to get around out here.  There's also a Home Goods near me and they have inexpensive small tables but I haven't found a coffe table yet.  I don't want to replace my furniture that's coming here with expensive stuff since eventually I'll live here full time and then I'll have to deal with it.  I'd rather have it cost less, last a few years and then dump it.

I like Ikea better than bo design and west elm.  I wouldn't mind any of them near Jackson Heights though.  I don't like the few furniture stores in our area at all.  Looks like plastic.
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Re: Jackson Heights' Notoriety
« Reply #58 on: August 28, 2008, 10:14:11 PM »