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Offline ptbass75

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Re: Barnes & Noble Bookstore in Forest Hills
« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2016, 09:03:53 PM »
Austin Street feels like suburbs to me.  JH, not so much.

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Re: Barnes & Noble Bookstore in Forest Hills
« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2016, 10:32:53 AM »
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the GNC is paying between 9-10K per month....it's really not that much different in any mid-scale area of brooklyn or queens.

I don't know about that. Commercial rents in prime bklyn don't seem as high.  For example, you can get 850 sf on Smith Street for about $3000.  I don't know what the sf of the GNC is though so it's not an exact comparison.

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Re: Forest Hills Barnes & Noble closing
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2017, 09:23:30 PM »
It looks like we're going to have a mini-renaissance for book shops in Queens.

In addition to the Astoria Bookshop, possibly the sole surviving bookstore in the borough at the moment, it looks like we'll be getting two more:

Book Culture is said to be opening an outpost in Long Island City,
and The Queens Bookshop Initiative, "a community effort to open a second bookstore in Queens," has announced that they have found a storefront location in Kew Gardens!

Alas, still nothing in Jackson Heights, but we'll have some new options nearby soon!

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Re: Forest Hills Barnes & Noble closing
« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2017, 03:47:32 PM »

There is a small bookstore in Jackson Heights on 80th street just south of Roosevelt. It's mostly Spanish language books, but there are books in English too. The owner seems quite friendly and I think would be interested in input from the community.

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Re: Forest Hills Barnes & Noble closing
« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2017, 09:27:28 PM »
Hey,

I've actually been thinking about how to do a used bookstore in the area. I have some friends that are booksellers in manhattan. I wanted to include spanish language books and maybe some newspapers in a few languages.

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Re: Forest Hills Barnes & Noble closing
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2017, 10:59:13 PM »
Hey,

I've actually been thinking about how to do a used bookstore in the area. I have some friends that are booksellers in manhattan. I wanted to include spanish language books and maybe some newspapers in a few languages.

The Housingworks Cafe/Bookstore on Crosby Street, Soho is an excellent example of a successful enterprise selling used books.

Why?

Because folks donate books.

No inventory costs.

People volunteer.

Cutting staff overheads.

How come?

Most of the profits go to charity/AIDS/homelessness.

And so the community supports the venue.

I would say if you ran your bookstore/cafe utilizing the Housingworks model, you'd be successful.

As long as much of your profits went to Jackson Heights charities/institutions.

I bet the Jackson Heights community would support such a project by donating used books/volunteering as long as you were legit/transparent.




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Re: Forest Hills Barnes & Noble closing
« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2017, 12:00:16 AM »
abcdefghijk--but how would the rent be paid? And how would the person who started the second hand bookstore pay his or her personal expenses if all profits go to charity? HousingWorks is a large charitable organization, not a store. They must have foundation money--I'm not sure how things like this are financed. But it's not the same thing as a second hand bookstore--even though it sells second-hand books....

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Re: Forest Hills Barnes & Noble closing
« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2017, 09:53:06 AM »
HousingWorks is a terrific operation (and a really nice store).

they also get a LOT of their operating revenue from in-house benefit concerts -- and not by well-meaning locals. folks like Steve Earle, Conor Oberst, Indigo Girls (to name three that i've covered there), who play 2000-3000 seat places at their regular gigs. probably a half dozen of those a year, which add a good 10 grand at a time to the coffers. if someone could arrange that, it would help pay the bills.
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Re: Forest Hills Barnes & Noble closing
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2017, 10:03:03 AM »
There's also a used bookstore in Bayside, Turn the Page Again, that runs on the donation / nonprofit model.
https://www.yelp.com/biz/turn-the-page-again-bayside

Its primary purpose (https://patch.com/new-york/bayside/meet-the-owner-larry-grubler-of-turn-the-page-again) is providing workplace training to people with serious mental illnesses who are re-entering the workforce. But it's also a cool little used bookshop where the books (all donated) are $5 or less.

ljr raises a good point though... for something like this to work, it would have to be part of a much larger nonprofit (unless the space is an in-kind donation! which is hard to imagine). Turn the Page Again is run by Transitional Services, a nonprofit in Whitestone.

All of that said I'm happy we are finally getting a couple new bookstores in Queens! Independent bookstores seem to be having a mini-renaissance, and I could see another small for-profit bookstore surviving in Jackson Heights (though perhaps not on the main drag... maybe somewhere the rent was a little more reasonable). The Times had a great feature on that bookshop on 80th Street, which is helped by volunteers and has quite a following:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/nyregion/spanish-language-bookstore-in-queens-librera-barco-de-papel.html?_r=0

Meanwhile, a woman in the Bronx is opening what will be the only bookstore in that borough, and she had what seems like a smart idea—making it bookstore by day, wine bar by night to diversify revenue streams and draw in more people: http://www.thelitbar.com/

Seems bookstores that also do events, concerts, food, etc. may have a better chance of surviving than when the business is books alone. Lots of interesting business models to consider...

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Re: Forest Hills Barnes & Noble closing
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2017, 11:39:17 AM »
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abcdefghijk--but how would the rent be paid? And how would the person who started the second hand bookstore pay his or her personal expenses if all profits go to charity?

rent and other expenses are the overall expenses before profit. So profit doesn't go to pay rent since it's an expenses. Rent is taken out of gross sales as one of many expenses, and the money left over after paying rent, electricity, water, shipping costs, etc., is the profit.

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HousingWorks is a large charitable organization, not a store. They must have foundation money--I'm not sure how things like this are financed. But it's not the same thing as a second hand bookstore--even though it sells second-hand books....
Indeed, Gordan didn't seem to be suggesting starting a non-profit, but starting a store to sell used books for profit.

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Re: Forest Hills Barnes & Noble closing
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2017, 11:42:25 AM »
abcdefghijk--but how would the rent be paid? And how would the person who started the second hand bookstore pay his or her personal expenses if all profits go to charity? HousingWorks is a large charitable organization, not a store. They must have foundation money--I'm not sure how things like this are financed. But it's not the same thing as a second hand bookstore--even though it sells second-hand books....

Of course the profits go to charity AFTER THE OVERHEADS are met.  (Wages, rent, utilities etc) ...That's obvious! And how HOUSINGWORKS does it.

Like I said, use the success of HOUSINGWORKS as a model. And copy how they do it. But on a smaller scale for Jackson Heights.

My guess is that's the only way a used bookstore could successfully run in this neighborhood.  As a charity with donated inventory and the help of volunteers. (Again, like Housingworks Cafe/Bookstore!)

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Re: Forest Hills Barnes & Noble closing
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2017, 06:33:27 PM »
Hey,

I liked the housing works suggestion a lot. I donate to them annually and I am also into doing service work. I reached out to a friend who I thought had some kind of connection to them and he actually sits on the board of the bookstore! would not have thought to do that if it was not mentioned. I know they have a sorting facility in LIC. And the fact that Queens pride happens right here would also be a good fit. Perhaps they can be coaxed into doing an outpost. I will try to pitch this idea.

I would like to do a bookshop here but, as someone mentioned it would not be easy to make it work as a source of income for my family. But, maybe some kind of space within a space or a thurs-sunday thing would be a good way to start off. I work seasonally so, it was always an idea for doing something in my off time. thanks for the input. I'm gonna investigate further.


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Re: Forest Hills Barnes & Noble closing
« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2017, 09:56:29 PM »
Great!

An outpost of Housingworks bookstore would be PERFECT here.

And wouldn't need to be on the ground floor even.  So maybe a large upstairs space somewhere might be available and more affordable.

If we were really smart, we would've pushed to have community space included here.

http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=16405.0

They do that in Manhattan/Brooklyn when negotiating with developers. Then at least it becomes somewhat win/win. (As opposed to now where our community seems to have gotten nothing from this development).




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Re: Forest Hills Barnes & Noble closing
« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2017, 02:54:22 PM »
The Amazon bookstore is opening tomorrow in Time Warner Center (Columbus Circle). http://gothamist.com/2017/05/24/photos_amazon_opens_first_nyc_store.php#photo-1

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Re: Forest Hills Barnes & Noble closing
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