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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2015, 11:42:54 AM »
many of the younger people moving into the neighborhood are of color or are in mixed race marriages or relationships. It's significant.

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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2015, 05:01:41 PM »
WINE BAR! :)

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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2015, 07:07:55 PM »
Snark infested waters!  Ed that's amazing!

There is a significant artery within this board that does run towards the snark. I even find myself sometimes curbing comments that could fall under the snark umbrella.   The post where it was mentioned that a neighbor felt adding a lawn to the new Travers Park plan seemed dated elicited an immediate snarky response (regarding the neighbor) that luckily never made it to print.

Back to the topic at hand, Jackson Heights currently has two places I know of that offer brunch with bloody Mary's. Those being Bocaito and La Gloria.  Does Armondos still do a brunch?

I would also suspect that Redge and Stew's upcoming restaurant would offer a brunch option, but they currently seem to be having some issues regarding obtaining  a liquor license.  No need to elaborate here, you can see that thread in the food section.

Phew, avoided a snarky comment.
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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2015, 09:51:58 AM »
many of the younger people moving into the neighborhood are of color or are in mixed race marriages or relationships. It's significant.

And I love it when I see them represented in coverage of the neighborhood! I think it's a very attractive thing about JH that the neighborhood seems to be comfortable for people who are in multi-ethnic families, perhaps in part because of its extreme diversity.

It's just, I've said this before: as a very, very white person, one of the reasons I came to JH was to live in a context where upper-middle-class young white American or western European-born people were a minority who *had* to share space and preferences with lots of other kinds of people. And seeing what has happened to much of Manhattan, north Brooklyn, Long Island City, Astoria, etc. over the past 15 years, I see how fragile that situation can be, because it seems like when a certain number of upper-middle-class young white American-born people arrive in a neighborhood demanding their missing Bloody Marys at brunch (as opposed to arriving and saying, 'this is the kind of place we like, let's fit in here'), it tends to flip that whole neighborhood very powerfully over to their preferences.

This hasn't happened yet in JH, and I hope it continues not to happen, because JH is the environment I want to live in and want to raise my children in. (Maybe with more parks. Parks are good for all.) But pushing back against the tendency that we've seen in other neighborhoods is a key part of the process of it not happening. Therefore, the snark.

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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2015, 12:57:51 PM »
many of the younger people moving into the neighborhood are of color or are in mixed race marriages or relationships. It's significant.

And I love it when I see them represented in coverage of the neighborhood! I think it's a very attractive thing about JH that the neighborhood seems to be comfortable for people who are in multi-ethnic families, perhaps in part because of its extreme diversity.

It's just, I've said this before: as a very, very white person, one of the reasons I came to JH was to live in a context where upper-middle-class young white American or western European-born people were a minority who *had* to share space and preferences with lots of other kinds of people. And seeing what has happened to much of Manhattan, north Brooklyn, Long Island City, Astoria, etc. over the past 15 years, I see how fragile that situation can be, because it seems like when a certain number of upper-middle-class young white American-born people arrive in a neighborhood demanding their missing Bloody Marys at brunch (as opposed to arriving and saying, 'this is the kind of place we like, let's fit in here'), it tends to flip that whole neighborhood very powerfully over to their preferences.

This hasn't happened yet in JH, and I hope it continues not to happen, because JH is the environment I want to live in and want to raise my children in. (Maybe with more parks. Parks are good for all.) But pushing back against the tendency that we've seen in other neighborhoods is a key part of the process of it not happening. Therefore, the snark.

I really respect your well-thought out answers and perspective TPL.  I hope that both clued (and clueless!) brunch-gentrifiers - and other new and existing residents can get something out of the neighborhood that satisfies them........without either stultifying stasis, homogenization or massive cultural displacement being the outcome. I would love to add my efforts to anyone chasing those goals intelligently and strategically.

I will refrain from my usual (snarky) tirade involving the initials WB.

For those interested (warning: interviews with professors and a quite readable sociology paper) some perspectives on gentrification.

http://www.urbanistchronicle.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=219&Itemid=176



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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2015, 01:15:37 PM »
Thanks lalochezia. Interesting links.

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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2015, 01:56:12 PM »
When I first came to JH in 2006, my husband was one of the 5 percent of people who was not Hispanic, Caucasian or Asian. He is black. Neighborhood people would speak to him in Spanish and when he explained that his family was from a English speaking Caribbean island, they would tell him that he was lying and that he was ashamed to be Hispanic. That was not cool. My neighbors would tell me to get out because I was not Hispanic and Jackson Heights was only for Hispanic people.  I am not making this up nor exaggerating.  I now live in a different building which has many mixed everything (race, sexual orientation etc.) families. What a relief that was. There is no law that you have to be any one thing here. This is NYC. My family came to NYC with the potato famine, mother grew up in Corona, and I think I have a right to choose where I want to live. I choose someone from a different background than myself to marry and yet we have many things in common. (education etc.)

 And young people are coming to JH for affordable real estate. If they make a financial commitment to living here, there is no crime in wanting a place to have  brunch, complete with bloody maries.

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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2015, 02:14:34 PM »
My point being that I am not an interloper. I just live her too.

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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2015, 02:16:54 PM »
Very much agree, I live here too! IMO, snarking on this couple, who are our ACTUAL NEIGHBORS, is pretty bad form. I would imagine if they've read here, or been told about the posts in this topic, they may not be feeling as happy about our neighborhood these days. Nice work.  >:(

BTW, I grew up in Jackson Heights and am raising my child here. While I love the many diverse food options in our neighborhood like the sublime fish empanadas at La Esquina Del Cameron, I also love fancy egg dishes with good bloodys.

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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2015, 03:06:20 PM »
well put, Ro.  They seem really nice, they seem to really like it here and it makes me sad to think they might check out this post and feel like they're unwelcome or met with suspicion or derision.  Bad form indeed.


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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2015, 03:16:37 PM »
My husband, who spent his childhood in the Caribbean, loves brunch too. He also likes roti, because he grew up eating it. He is not Indian, but his favorite type of food is Indian. and his favorite dish, eggplant parm.  My point is that he can like many things and not betray who is.

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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2015, 03:24:51 PM »
My point being that I am not an interloper. I just live her too.

You live here too. Yes. They, on the other hand, appear to feel like they are on vacation. As pixgirl says. Yikes. What does that make us, the colorful natives? Oh right, they used the word "colorful."

I totally understand how they could have been misrepresented by the NYT reporter. But hopefully it will lead them to understand how much it means to some of us who live here to -appreciate- our neighborhood rather than alternately exoticizing it and complaining about why it isn't more like Brooklyn.

They're REALLY YOUNG. I said a lot of dumb things when I was really young. I get that. Nobody is fixed, nobody can't change, nobody can't grow, hopefully nobody can't learn. Including me! Constantly.

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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2015, 04:16:10 PM »
Unless you grew up in Jackson Heights, just about everyone said similar things about the diversity of this place. Actually just look at the postings about the parades, food etc. After a year or so, it loses some of it's novelty. I lived in a working class neighborhood in the Bronx for thirty years but not in an exclusively Spanish neighborhood. My husband and I have been to Brazil many times on vacation and eaten their version of the empanada. When I first moved here (at the age of 43) and could find empanadas everywhere, it was very novel, like when I was on vacation to Brazil or Argentina. Is that dumb or insulting? No, actually it shows an appreciation for things that are different. Yes, she wishes she could have bloody maries in her own neighborhood in NYC, but she's not dissing the place. I think I've seen the term colorful used appreciably on this message board. Maybe I'm missing something.

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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2015, 04:19:25 PM »
When I first came to JH in 2006, my husband was one of the 5 percent of people who was not Hispanic, Caucasian or Asian. He is black. Neighborhood people would speak to him in Spanish and when he explained that his family was from a English speaking Caribbean island, they would tell him that he was lying and that he was ashamed to be Hispanic. That was not cool. My neighbors would tell me to get out because I was not Hispanic and Jackson Heights was only for Hispanic people.  I am not making this up nor exaggerating.  I now live in a different building which has many mixed everything (race, sexual orientation etc.) families. What a relief that was. There is no law that you have to be any one thing here. This is NYC. My family came to NYC with the potato famine, mother grew up in Corona, and I think I have a right to choose where I want to live. I choose someone from a different background than myself to marry and yet we have many things in common. (education etc.)

 And young people are coming to JH for affordable real estate. If they make a financial commitment to living here, there is no crime in wanting a place to have  brunch, complete with bloody maries.

They actually got away with telling you to leave JH because you are not Hispanic?

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Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2015, 04:33:48 PM »
What could I do?  It was upsetting to but they didn't threaten me with bodily harm.

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