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Offline theplanesland

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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2014, 06:55:38 AM »
I would have preferred Whole Foods or even Trader Joe's.

Bahahahahaha - we don't have the space sizes or, more importantly, the average annual household income for those grocery stores.

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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2014, 09:59:16 AM »
Well stayed tuned.

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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2014, 09:59:55 AM »
I can't believe people are complaining about this.  This is a good thing!  Who cares if it's an outlet?  It's still better than yet another dollar store, pharmacy or chicken place.  There is no way in hell we are getting a Whole Foods or Trader Joe's in this neighborhood. 


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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2014, 10:21:12 AM »
I think the majority of people are happy about this.  But at this point, a decent clean grocery store would be welcome. I know that people have their favorites, and like certain things about most, but in my opinion is that all  of the grocery stores in JH are pretty substandard, even for a working/middle class community.  You make it work, but ...

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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2014, 12:26:47 PM »
Yay! Another good addition to 82nd Street.  As for Trader Joe's,  I think one could definitely work here in the right spot. The ground floor of the building at the Roosevelt Ave, 73rd, Broadway intersection would be a perfect location for them, for example, if it would be large enough.  They are pretty value-oriented and as long as it would be central enough to draw from the many surrounding neighborhoods, plus even those a few subway stops away, I think that chain would work well. (Btw, that could also be a great location for the much-longed-for nice gym but I guess that's another thread)

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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2014, 01:14:41 PM »
Yay! Another good addition to 82nd Street.  As for Trader Joe's,  I think one could definitely work here in the right spot. The ground floor of the building at the Roosevelt Ave, 73rd, Broadway intersection would be a perfect location for them, for example, if it would be large enough.  They are pretty value-oriented and as long as it would be central enough to draw from the many surrounding neighborhoods, plus even those a few subway stops away, I think that chain would work well. (Btw, that could also be a great location for the much-longed-for nice gym but I guess that's another thread)

You mean the bank? A lot of the real estate on 73rd is controlled by the JBBA and they're focused on maintaining the ethnic character of that strip, which means not letting in chains like Trader Joe's.

But more relevantly, come on. Point out to me other neighborhoods with a similar median household income ($47k), density and percentage nonwhite population to Jackson Heights that have better options. Astoria is significantly whiter, Forest Hills noticeably richer, and that chunk of Woodhaven Boulevard where the Trader Joe's is has much lower commercial rents for large spaces. Our neighborhood doesn't have an upscale white-people (vs. Subzi Mandi or Apna Bazar or Mi Tierra) grocery store profile.

I know I'm an ethnic and cultural minority in this neighborhood. I'm OK with that. My little subgroup is catered to by the Bob's Red Mill rack at Food Town, by Lemon Farms and a few other places. I don't see why I should have privilege over other more populous groups.

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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2014, 02:22:59 PM »
Previous post makes some very good points. When you look at median income here you get why we have some things and not others. Yes, we could use an infusion of new retail vitality but I am always amazed at the way people think they're going to get a well-priced apartment and then a host of more upscale amenities. It doesn't compute. You want adorable boutiques and farm-to-table everything, go to other parts of the city and pay way way more for not only the food but also for a basic living space.

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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2014, 02:29:42 PM »
I don't hear people asking for a blow-dry bar or an outpost of Per Se. 

And if you look at the prices of 1-2 bedroom apartments right now and how these are skyrocketing, it may compute soon.

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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2014, 03:47:53 PM »
I think a Buffalo Exchange or Beacon's Closet would hit the overlap of the middle-income/ Brooklyn refugee / non-ethnic retail demographics.

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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2014, 09:54:37 PM »
I don't hear people asking for a blow-dry bar or an outpost of Per Se. 

And if you look at the prices of 1-2 bedroom apartments right now and how these are skyrocketing, it may compute soon.

Wait. I had to Google blow-dry bar. There are really places that only do blow outs??! SMH.

As far as the 2nd half of this, I agree. Sale and rent prices are on the rise and more and more people are being priced out of the hipper areas and considering JH and other destinations afar (a friend of mine just landed in Ridgewood!).

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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2014, 10:09:32 AM »
James, an acquaintance of mine owns a blow-out bar in Bayside and she is raking in the dough!   

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But at this point, a decent clean grocery store would be welcome. I know that people have their favorites, and like certain things about most, but in my opinion is that all  of the grocery stores in JH are pretty substandard, even for a working/middle class community.  You make it work, but ...

I would kill for a "normal" supermarket - it doesn't have to be fancy, just decent. I was happy with FoodTown at first, but now I hate going there. It's filthy and they seem to have fewer registers open lately, meaning long lines.  The prices keep going up and the produce is worse than when it was the Met.  I couldn't find garlic without shoots growing out of it the other day and I can't seem to buy an onion that isn't half black when I cut into it.  They sell home made pizza dough and it was old and crusty. And forget Trade Fair, or whatever they like to call themselves now.  I think I might go back to Fresh Direct, even though I cringe at the prices and delivery fees. 



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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2014, 10:18:54 AM »
I don't hear people asking for a blow-dry bar or an outpost of Per Se. 

And if you look at the prices of 1-2 bedroom apartments right now and how these are skyrocketing, it may compute soon.

Wait. I had to Google blow-dry bar. There are really places that only do blow outs??! SMH.

As far as the 2nd half of this, I agree. Sale and rent prices are on the rise and more and more people are being priced out of the hipper areas and considering JH and other destinations afar (a friend of mine just landed in Ridgewood!).

No offense, but anyone who's been in this neighborhood over the past ten years has certainly heard that before. As far as I know, demographics haven't borne out previous predictions. If you have some actual stats showing that Jackson Heights is less of a neighborhood of working-class immigrants than it was five years ago, I'd love to see it. But I was on my co-op board for a while, and I remember the types of applicants we were getting, and they were generally good, honest, hardworking middle-income people originally hailing from countries on the Asian continent and making their American dream happen in Jackson Heights. That's, once again, Subzi Mandi, Eastern Supermarket and Patel Brothers, not Trader Joe's.

I mean, think about it. If you ask "do we have a grocery store?" in the 70s, I can think of NINE decent ones, setting aside the grottier little places: Subzi Mandi, Apna Bazar, Patel Brothers, Eastern, that Korean joint at 72nd and Roosevelt, the Bangladeshi place in the middle of the block on 73rd, faux-Trade Fair, Lemon Farms and Food Town. (If you're looking for a big bag of onions, by the way, Apna Bazar is your joint.) Now, I don't shop at most of those. But they exist, and they serve people, and they are often quite busy. Oh! And we have Fresh Direct.

Would I love a Trader Joe's? Sure. But thinking from the perspective of a Trader Joe's store location planner, I'd look to see if the neighborhood has the right demographics and is underserved in terms of grocery stores, and I'm not seeing that.

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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2014, 11:17:31 AM »
"I couldn't find garlic without shoots growing out of it the other day and I can't seem to buy an onion that isn't half black when I cut into it. "

It's that time of year for onions, alas. I usually buy them from the produce store opposite Foodtown, or at Lemon, and take time to check each one for lack of squishy spots.

I seldom buy produce at the supermarkets. There are so many produce stores in the area (on 37th Ave, and 82nd Street where in runs into Baxter) whose quality and prices are much better, and not locked into weekly set prices. Kim's Brother, for instance, usually has bags of peeled carrots for a buck, and the best price for fennel/anise, and often for berries. It's cramped for space, sure, but so are they all. I'm lucky enough to have time to do the rounds and see who has what and how much - I realize it's not an option for people who have to take care of food shopping all in one go.

And this time of year even hand-picked onions may have disappointment lurking!




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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2014, 11:50:35 AM »
to contextualize theplaneislands point

http://www.jbbany.com/#


I appreciate that people here are sensitive to not seeing JH become the kind of next poster child for the standard gentrification progression

 artist->rich hipster->bankster hole

 that so many neighborhoods have seen in nyc. there are good reasons outlined by others  on this why this wont happen the same way that eastern brooklyn has  seen this kind of  transformation.

what I want to know how do we get __one or two___ bars/restaurants catering to the taste of upper-middle-class people who like organic food, microbrews, cocktails, nice wine, subtle decoration, chill vibes, a goddamn brunch, without starting a landslide of gentrification and pissing-on-the-people-who-made-this-neighborhood-great in the first place.

The historic district probably has two to three thousand of those people - minimum ! -  who want to be able to eat and drink a places like that.


*Note: this is out of HUNDREDS of storefronts - count em - between 73-90 st on 37 avenue, many of which lie empty, or are VAST duplications of generic places, the loss of ONE 99c store or pharmacy would not oppress anyone other than the store's staff - there are copies of these shops 2 blocks down.

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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2014, 12:53:06 PM »
what I want to know how do we get __one or two___ bars/restaurants catering to the taste of upper-middle-class people who like organic food, microbrews, cocktails, nice wine, subtle decoration, chill vibes, a goddamn brunch, without starting a landslide of gentrification and pissing-on-the-people-who-made-this-neighborhood-great in the first place.

I'm not sure you do. I haven't seen a lot of evidence of that happening without a neighborhood totally flipping. I tend to go to Astoria when I want that kind of stuff, speaking of neighborhoods in the process of flipping.

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Re: New Gap outlet to open
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2014, 12:53:06 PM »