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Title: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: 80JHer on February 25, 2019, 01:13:21 PM
I’m sick of getting nearly clipped constantly on 37th ave by these lunatic delivery drivers. How the hell are they allowed to drive  on the sidewalks, let alone keep them parked all day.  The Chinese delivery guy is the worst on 79th and 37th, he comes in extra hot usually From a one way (going wrong way).   Metermaids just watch.

Since we don’t have cops here in JH, I’m not sure who could correct this?!? 
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: dssjh on February 25, 2019, 01:27:43 PM
these things are a real menace the way they're currently used. 37th is really bad, as are the main streets near our office in Tribeca (Church and Varick, particularly). i can't see how it's legal to drive them on the sidewalk, and i REALLY think the city should require a driver's license, if not a specialized license, to operate. they're not "bicycles," no matter what the letter of the law currently says.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: jh35 on February 25, 2019, 01:43:37 PM
these things are a real menace the way they're currently used. 37th is really bad, as are the main streets near our office in Tribeca (Church and Varick, particularly). i can't see how it's legal to drive them on the sidewalk, and i REALLY think the city should require a driver's license, if not a specialized license, to operate. they're not "bicycles," no matter what the letter of the law currently says.

From  https://www.citylandnyc.org/scooters-hoverboards-bicycles-whats-legal/ (https://www.citylandnyc.org/scooters-hoverboards-bicycles-whats-legal/)  :

The State will not register all motorized vehicles, so those incapable of registration are banned from operation in the public sphere entirely. For example, the State will not register e-bikes. Some but not all Mopeds are eligible for registration as “limited use motorcycle" and may be used legally on public thoroughfares. The State describes mopeds eligible for registration as two- or three-wheeled limited use vehicles equipped with either a seat or saddle for the rider. A “limited use vehicle,” as defined by the State, is a motor vehicle that can reach a maximum speed of no greater than forty miles-per-hour. A limited use vehicle—and thus, a limited use motorcycle—may not legally be operated in public unless it has been registered with the State Department of Motor Vehicles.

The City Council banned motorized scooters in 2004. The Council declared that motorized scooters pose a risk to the health and safety of their users, passengers in nearby vehicles, and pedestrians. The Council cited a United States Consumer Product Safety Commission report that reported that thousands of instances of emergency room visits in the year 2000 were tied to motorized scooter use, and that more than a third of those injured were younger than fifteen years old. The Council further stressed that while scooters were originally produced for operation at slower speeds, today’s motorized versions operate at such a high speed that road users and pedestrians should be concerned, especially due to the lack of licensing and safety requirements imposed on the motorized scooter and their users.

The Council’s 2004 law limited the ban to motorized scooters capable of traveling faster than fifteen miles-per-hour. In 2013, the Council dropped the speed criteria from the ban so that today, all motorized scooters are banned in New York City (NYC v. Onix Guzman, ECB Appeal No. 1501125 (Dec. 17, 2015)).


https://dmv.ny.gov/registration/motorized-devices-cannot-be-registered-new-york (https://dmv.ny.gov/registration/motorized-devices-cannot-be-registered-new-york)
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: Alfster on February 27, 2019, 11:58:32 AM
I'm not a fan of ebikes particularly because they are nearly silent and really should never be allowed to be ridden in bike lanes.  Perhaps some sort of "sound generator" should be installed so that pedestrians have advanced warning of their presence?
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: MrPlaza on February 28, 2019, 11:01:12 AM
This.

My wife told me that she and our son were inches from getting hit by one two weeks ago that was turning off a one-way street, going the wrong way, when they didn't have the light. She was livid, and started yelling at him, but he rode away.

They should absolutely not be allowed to ride on the sidewalks. THEY ARE NOT PEDESTRIANS. Sorry if I'm getting worked up, but this has grown to be a really touchy topic for me because of the numerous close-calls both me and my wife have had with our son. They're f'n reckless and it's annoying as well. Just follow the rules of the road. It's not that hard.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: jadasie on February 28, 2019, 12:20:39 PM
99% of e-bike riders are poorly paid deliverymen looking to make their jobs a bit easier. Complaints about them always strike me as obnoxious middle-class classism. We all like delivery. God forbid you're slightly inconvenienced by the minimum-income earning person making sure you never have to cook or leave your home to eat.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: 80JHer on February 28, 2019, 01:40:14 PM
Yes, us obnoxious middle classers! How dare us not want lunatics driving a heavy vechile on a packed pedestrian sidewalk.   We are so out of touch.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: dssjh on February 28, 2019, 02:39:19 PM
i think the delivery men do a very difficult job for very little appreciation, and are often abused by their bosses. that's why we should  levy fines against the bosses, not the drivers.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: jh35 on February 28, 2019, 04:22:19 PM
99% of e-bike riders are poorly paid deliverymen looking to make their jobs a bit easier. Complaints about them always strike me as obnoxious middle-class classism. We all like delivery. God forbid you're slightly inconvenienced by the minimum-income earning person making sure you never have to cook or leave your home to eat.

When did I move to reverso-world?
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: dssjh on February 28, 2019, 05:14:50 PM
whenever you moved to NYC. serious answer, not taking sides.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: jh35 on February 28, 2019, 05:37:13 PM
whenever you moved to NYC. serious answer, not taking sides.

I was born here, in Queens.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: jadasie on February 28, 2019, 06:08:02 PM
99% of e-bike riders are poorly paid deliverymen looking to make their jobs a bit easier. Complaints about them always strike me as obnoxious middle-class classism. We all like delivery. God forbid you're slightly inconvenienced by the minimum-income earning person making sure you never have to cook or leave your home to eat.

When did I move to reverso-world?

If your meager livelihood depended on you racing from place to place for tips, perhaps you'd also be disinclined to follow all the rules of the road.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: jh35 on February 28, 2019, 06:12:16 PM
99% of e-bike riders are poorly paid deliverymen looking to make their jobs a bit easier. Complaints about them always strike me as obnoxious middle-class classism. We all like delivery. God forbid you're slightly inconvenienced by the minimum-income earning person making sure you never have to cook or leave your home to eat.

When did I move to reverso-world?

If your meager livelihood depended on you racing from place to place for tips, perhaps you'd also be disinclined to follow all the rules of the road.

Oh, stop, you are going to make me cry.  They have no right to run people over on the sidewalk. 
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: jh35 on February 28, 2019, 06:12:57 PM
whenever you moved to NYC. serious answer, not taking sides.

BTW, I thought that was a good answer.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: dssjh on February 28, 2019, 09:22:19 PM
thanks.

and i agree that driving on the sidewalk is wrong. we wouldn't forgive people -- of any economic strata -- for blowing through red lights on the street in delivery mode.

Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: jh35 on February 28, 2019, 09:51:57 PM
thanks.

and i agree that driving on the sidewalk is wrong. we wouldn't forgive people -- of any economic strata -- for blowing through red lights on the street in delivery mode.

Did you see that Citi bike is adding 4,000 electric bikes? (and charging an extra $2 a ride.)

I wonder how many people that will maim.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: MrPlaza on March 01, 2019, 10:29:36 AM
I am thoroughly confused, though not surprised, that someone would raise the idea that by calling this out as an issue suggests I somehow don't care about the delivery guy's livelihood.

Let me make this abundantly clear: NO ONE is saying they can't make a buck doing what is unfortunately a thankless job. But you can do your job and still adhere to the rules of the road. The two are not mutually exclusive, and it's ridiculous that that's even being considered to be the case. These aren't small vehicles. These aren't even cyclists. The mopeds/scooters are large, heavy, and fast. They're closer related to motorcycles than they are to bicycles. Treat them as such and park them at the curb, stop at red lights, and don't drive against traffic.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: ljr on March 02, 2019, 10:39:45 AM
I'm not the biggest world traveler, but I think it's worth pointing out that in some areas of the world, there are essentially no traffic regulations and it's basically a free-for-all on the streets. This may be what some of the delivery people are used to.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: jh35 on March 02, 2019, 11:00:01 AM
I'm not the biggest world traveler, but I think it's worth pointing out that in some areas of the world, there are essentially no traffic regulations and it's basically a free-for-all on the streets. This may be what some of the delivery people are used to.

Yes, and after they get a few  tickets, if they are smart, they will learn our rules.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: dssjh on March 02, 2019, 12:33:29 PM
as long as we issue tickets to citibike users, too. and if they're not local, require payment on the spot to avoid deadbeats
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: JF on March 04, 2019, 01:20:48 AM
Yes! their needs to be some sort of order, keeping in mind we don't hurt or affect pedestrians, delivery drivers and business owners ! I personally know a few delivery driver in JH getting paid $9 an hour which is legal for tip employees and make an easy $120/ $150 in tips making that a whopping $1000/ 1200 a week (TAX FREE) Think about it some delivery guys are making more then the average......... Gives me a reason no to underestimate anyone !
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: JHResident on March 04, 2019, 11:28:56 AM
Obey the law. No excuses.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: JHMNY on May 06, 2019, 09:40:22 AM
From the Jackson Heights Post:

Ramos Promotes Legislation That Would Legalize E-Bikes and E-Scooters (https://jacksonheightspost.com/ramos-promotes-legislation-that-would-legalize-e-bikes-and-e-scooters)

Two Queens legislators held a joint press conference in Corona on Friday to announce a bill they introduced in Albany last month that would legalize the use of e-bikes and e-scooters across the state.

State Senator Jessica Ramos (D-Jackson Heights) and Assembly Member Nily Rozic (D-Fresh Meadows) promoted the legislation they introduced April 23 that would legalize most e-bikes and e-scooters.

The pair argue that e-bikes and e-scooters are heavily used by low-wage immigrants and the bill would protect them from being fined and having their bikes unfairly confiscated. Additionally, they argue, its a cleaner method of transportation and does not add to traffic congestion.


Follow above link for full article.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: 80JHer on May 07, 2019, 10:15:53 PM
That’s insane!
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: JHMNY on June 18, 2019, 11:38:54 AM
Curbed NY:

New York lawmakers reach deal to legalize e-bikes, e-scooters (https://ny.curbed.com/2019/6/17/18681910/new-york-micromobility-escooter-ebike-legalization)

A bill is expected to be voted on this Wednesday

Albany lawmakers have reportedly reached an agreement to legalize e-bikes and e-scooters throughout New York state, which may lead to big transportation changes in New York City.

A source familiar with the state Senate and Assembly joint bills—originally introduced in April by Sen. Jessica Ramos and Assembly member Nily Rozic—told Curbed that lawmakers have agreed to legislation that will make e-bikes (all bikes with electronic assist) and e-scooters legal in the state. The bill, expected to be voted on this Wednesday, will allow municipalities to decide how to regulate e-scooters.


Full article at above link.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: JK resident on June 18, 2019, 12:13:02 PM
Now finally we can have electric scooter rental stations all up and down 37th Ave. They can remove parking from many parts of 37th Ave, 35Ave , 34th Ave. to allow these rental businesses to rent and charge electric scooters.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 12:59:02 PM
Now finally we can have electric scooter rental stations all up and down 37th Ave. They can remove parking from many parts of 37th Ave, 35Ave , 34th Ave. to allow these rental businesses to rent and charge electric scooters.

they won't do it in the historic district on the residential streets. that's 100 percent certain. they won't even allow trash cans on corners there, and they don't have citibike stations on purely residential streets in neighborhoods where they exist now....
i'm not thrilled with the scooter proliferation because i'm convinced people won't obey the laws with them, however.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: JK resident on June 18, 2019, 01:52:07 PM
They already have parking for rental cars. ie Zipcars
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 03:48:28 PM
They already have parking for rental cars. ie Zipcars

three spaces on 35th. three on 37th. Koeppel uses five times that many, illegally, and people here are willing to give them the world.

and there's nowhere in citibike territory where residential blocks are impacted.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: JK resident on June 18, 2019, 04:01:08 PM
Don’t know what Koeppel has to do with the use of major avenues for electric scooter parking. Maybe many people would just commute using an electric scooter.
Title: Re: E bikes/scooters on 37th ave
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 04:19:37 PM
Don’t know what Koeppel has to do with the use of major avenues for electric scooter parking. Maybe many people would just commute using an electric scooter.

Koeppel has commandeered many parking spaces for illegal storage of their vehicles. the topic has been discussed extensively.