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Title: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: toddg on November 07, 2018, 10:33:31 PM
Congratulations, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!
Elected to represent the 14th Congressional District!

(https://cosmic-s3.imgix.net/fd15c6b0-4280-11e8-adf7-13ecf87e853c-SANDY_CUTOUT-03.png)

The Hill: Ocasio-Cortez wins election to the House (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/415169-ocasio-cortez-wins-election-to-the-house)
Vox: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is now the youngest woman elected to Congress (https://www.vox.com/2018/11/6/18070704/election-results-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wins)
Huffington Post: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Wins, Becoming Youngest Woman Ever Elected To Congress (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ocasio-cortez-wins-congress-new-york_us_5bc4dcf5e4b0645867bc42fd)
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: the80s on November 08, 2018, 07:26:18 AM
Interesting story about some of the challenges facing Ocasio-Cortez -- and the hopes people have pinned to her -- as she prepares to head to Washington.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/07/nyregion/ocasio-cortez-congress-washington.html
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Chingwa on November 08, 2018, 08:26:36 PM
I hope she cools her pie-eyed communist worldview a bit and works to defuse the escalating schism these two political parties are driving our country towards.  She gave me very little reason to vote for her, but any change has the potential to be good change.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on November 08, 2018, 08:32:39 PM
i hope she's at the leading edge of the formation that will drive the fascists into the dirt.

you don't negotiate with fascists. you destroy them.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Chingwa on November 08, 2018, 09:14:39 PM
Well ok then  ;D
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: toddg on November 08, 2018, 10:24:32 PM
I expect she will represent the district's interests and priorities exceptionally well in Washington, and will continue to bring people together as she has done so far.  She did an amazing job starting from zero here in Queens and building a successful forward-looking coalition.

Some more great news articles about her:

NY Times: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Will Push Washington. Will Washington Push Back? (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/07/nyregion/ocasio-cortez-congress-washington.html)  (posted earlier by the80s)
The Hill: Youngest woman ever elected to Congress can’t find place to live in D.C. since she quit job to run (https://thehill.com/homenews/news/415746-ocasio-cortez-needs-to-wait-for-lawmaker-salary-to-kick-in-to-afford-dc)
Fast Company: Trump has Twitter. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is winning Instagram (https://www.fastcompany.com/90259343/trump-has-twitter-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-is-winning-instagram)
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Chingwa on November 14, 2018, 09:42:57 AM
[Moderator's Note: The purpose of this thread is to discuss our new Congresswoman.  Please keep the discussion focused on her activities in the community and in Washington.  A new thread to debate AOC's views on Democratic Socialism more generally is over here (http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=18507.0)]

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Moderator's Note:
Well to be fair, our new representative is a self-avowed Democratic-Socialist, so it seems to be on-topic to at least some degree.  Further since she isn't in office yet and hasn't had the ability to do anything yet, all we can talk about are our hopes for her based on her rhetoric to this point.

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Feel free to elaborate.
I'd be happy to give up some war and corporate welfare as well, I'm just saying (from a realist point of view) that isn't going to be happening.  So are you willing to pay even more out of your own pocket for this universal healthcare program?  Some might be willing to.  I am not willing to. 

Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: toddg on November 16, 2018, 10:54:29 PM
The media fascination with AOC is something to behold...
Washington Post (11/15): Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wore clothing, a journalist tweeted a photo, and the Internet pounced (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/16/eddie-scarry-tweet-about-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-clothing-is-latest-critique-about-class/)
Vox (11/16): The real reason conservative critics love talking about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s clothes (https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/11/16/18099074/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-clothes-eddie-scarry)
Even the Onion is interested... Embarrassed Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Can Only Afford American Flag Pin With 19 Stars (https://politics.theonion.com/embarrassed-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-can-only-afford-am-1830493551)

But she's up to some interesting things...
Vox (11/15): Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is already pressuring Nancy Pelosi on climate change (https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/11/14/18094452/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-nancy-pelosi-protest-climate-change-2020)
Politico (11/15): Ocasio-Cortez’s ‘Green New Deal’ becomes flash point for Pelosi (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/15/ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal-pelosi-966748)
CNN (11/16): Here's what we learned from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's first 2 days in Washington (https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/16/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-congress/index.html)
Huffington Post (11/16): Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Approach To Washington Has History On Its Side (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/alexandria-ocasio-cortez_us_5beef47ce4b0510a1f30761d)
NY Times (11/16): How Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is Bringing Her Instagram Followers Into the Political Process (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/16/us/politics/ocasio-cortez-instagram-congress.html)
Washington Post (11/16): The revolutionary strategy hidden in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Instagram feed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-revolutionary-strategy-hidden-in-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-instagram-feed/2018/11/15/d17ddd1c-e84d-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html)
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: buzz on December 16, 2018, 02:24:26 PM
I hope she cools her pie-eyed communist worldview a bit and works to defuse the escalating schism these two political parties are driving our country towards.  She gave me very little reason to vote for her, but any change has the potential to be good change.
She wasn't voted to do that.  Speaking of schisms all you have to go to Congressman Dan Crenshaw's page and see his dribble.  you think he was a Proudboy. This " schism" was brought about by republicans ( the facists Trumpsters).   
You already outed yourself out when you wrote "  she gave you little reason to vote for her"  so you voted for the hack?
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: deja on December 16, 2018, 03:06:27 PM
It takes two to tango. I see very little hope for this country if the two sides can't abandon their dogma and try to find some common ground from which to at least start a conversation.  We don't need any more politicians, what we need are some statesmen/women who will put their country ahead of reelection, partisan politics, and the usual collection of stupidity that passes for government these days. 

At this point I honestly wonder if the best way forward is schism, perhaps there are really far too many differences than there are commonalities to keep the nation together as one. 
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: queenskid2 on December 19, 2018, 11:44:03 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/18/ocasio-cortez-hakeem-jeffries-2020-primary-1067107

I find this article disturbing.  I don't believe in litmus tests--on election night as I rooted for democrats, I didn't expect every candidate would check every box.  I just wanted to win. To read that our Congresswoman-elect has targeted Hakeem Jeffries for defeat, is ridiculous.  Can she just take her seat and concentrate on serving our community and stopping the Trump agenda.  I had hoped that she would be a breath of fresh air, but to declare war on a solid, intelligent representative like Jeffries is just plain wrong.  I hope that the article is wrong, but if it's not, then I think our representative is getting too caught up in her own press.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: theplanesland on December 19, 2018, 11:47:03 AM
"To read that our Congresswoman-elect has targeted Hakeem Jeffries for defeat, is ridiculous"

Fortunately she agrees with you.

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1075137337548509184

Parsing her denial, it looks like there are just some typical backroom debates going on that Politico is trying to make more of than actually exist.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/18/ocasio-cortez-hakeem-jeffries-2020-primary-1067107

I find this article disturbing.  I don't believe in litmus tests--on election night as I rooted for democrats, I didn't expect every candidate would check every box.  I just wanted to win. To read that our Congresswoman-elect has targeted Hakeem Jeffries for defeat, is ridiculous.  Can she just take her seat and concentrate on serving our community and stopping the Trump agenda.  I had hoped that she would be a breath of fresh air, but to declare war on a solid, intelligent representative like Jeffries is just plain wrong.  I hope that the article is wrong, but if it's not, then I think our representative is getting too caught up in her own press.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: queenskid2 on December 19, 2018, 12:11:44 PM
Her tweet attacks the reporting--no named or verifiable source--but what about just saying "I am not involved in any plan to primary Hakeem Jeffries." 
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: toddg on December 19, 2018, 06:01:34 PM
New York Magazine: The Imagined Threat of a Woman Who Governs Like a Man (https://www.thecut.com/2018/12/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-hakeem-jeffries.html)
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Gordan on December 19, 2018, 08:33:55 PM
New York Magazine: The Imagined Threat of a Woman Who Governs Like a Man (https://www.thecut.com/2018/12/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-hakeem-jeffries.html)

Just read this and was about to post it here. I typically HATE these kind of think pieces but, this one makes a very valid point. Well worth reading.

Especially this:
https://theintercept.com/2018/11/29/hakeem-jeffries-joe-crowley-house-democratic-caucus-chair/

Don't love this website but, I think I officially hate Crowley. I have attended so many of his town halls and I can almost hear his lame response to people urging him on climate action in light of the most recent news. What a jerk....
Title: NY-14 in the Washington Post.
Post by: frances on January 06, 2019, 12:24:45 PM
A cautious hope emerges among Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s constituents, The Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-cautious-hope-emerges-among-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-constituents/2019/01/05/ef6d44f4-02fe-11e9-b6a9-0aa5c2fcc9e4_story.html?utm_term=.7122bee92a81
Title: Re: NY-14 in the Washington Post.
Post by: JK resident on January 06, 2019, 01:07:04 PM
She will be on 60 minutes tonight. Already her controversial 70% tax rate for a “Green Deal” is making news. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-call-me-a-radical-60-minutes/
Title: Re: NY-14 in the Washington Post.
Post by: dssjh on January 06, 2019, 01:59:45 PM
she's channeling Eishenhower with those tax rates!
Title: Re: NY-14 in the Washington Post.
Post by: sl on January 06, 2019, 02:52:53 PM
She will be on 60 minutes tonight. Already her controversial 70% tax rate for a “Green Deal” is making news. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-call-me-a-radical-60-minutes/

Is she out of her mind? 70% ?
Title: Re: NY-14 in the Washington Post.
Post by: JK resident on January 06, 2019, 09:14:11 PM
The “tippy top” as she calls the rich would just move out of the country or engage in schemes to avoid a profit. If you could keep just 30% people would engage in massive tax planning to avoid paying.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: the80s on January 07, 2019, 10:08:34 AM
Interesting column about Ocasio-Cortez's tax proposal:

"The controversy of the moment involves AOC’s advocacy of a tax rate of 70-80 percent on very high incomes, which is obviously crazy, right? I mean, who thinks that makes sense? Only ignorant people like … um, Peter Diamond, Nobel laureate in economics and arguably the world’s leading expert on public finance. And it’s a policy nobody has ever implemented, aside from … the United States, for 35 years after World War II — including the most successful period of economic growth in our history."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/opinion/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-tax-policy-dance.html
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on January 07, 2019, 11:02:03 AM
yeah, that mass exodus of the wealthy under communist sympathizers Eisenhower and JFK -- who instituted tax rates along those lines -- almost killed America.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on January 07, 2019, 07:14:32 PM
These days even multi billion companies like Google try to avoid paying taxes as was found out. The more money you have the more options to avoid paying taxes you have.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on January 07, 2019, 07:57:59 PM
that's why we need the crushing boot of socialism to stop them. think of it as a wall.
Title: Re: NY-14 in the Washington Post.
Post by: Dudley on January 07, 2019, 09:02:25 PM
She will be on 60 minutes tonight. Already her controversial 70% tax rate for a “Green Deal” is making news. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-call-me-a-radical-60-minutes/

Check out The Queensboro at 7:57  ;D
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: jadasie on January 08, 2019, 10:29:55 AM
Her 70% marginal tax rate proposal is really quite modest (too modest in my opinion). For those who rake in more than $10 million, only income above that would be taxed at 70%. Anyone who thinks that's a slippery slope to the gulag or Venezuela is a moron.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on January 08, 2019, 10:59:14 AM
Are we also going to tax corporations at 70%? You have to if you follow that logic. Corporations taxed at a very high level will move their headquarters out of the USA. The world is moving to lowering taxes on corporations not raising it. It is a global economy now and no longer a USA economy like in the 1950’s.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Chingwa on January 12, 2019, 12:42:59 PM
70% tax rate is exactly what I expected from her, and exactly why I didn't vote for her.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on January 12, 2019, 01:01:44 PM
if you earned $10 million per year - the 70 percent threshold, you wouldn't be living somewhere as low-class as Queens.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: theplanesland on January 12, 2019, 01:12:37 PM
70% tax rate is exactly what I expected from her, and exactly why I didn't vote for her.

It's not 70% on all your income. It's 70% only on that portion above $10 million after deductions. How much more than $10 million are you making after deductions?
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Chingwa on January 12, 2019, 01:59:11 PM
I don't make over 10 million a year, so I'm not worried for my pocket book.  But I don't believe government should have the ability or authority to tax anybody at 70%.  That is absolutely ridiculous.  I don't care how much money someone already has.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on January 12, 2019, 05:12:29 PM
you would have hated America under Eisenhower and Kennedy, then.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Chingwa on January 12, 2019, 05:27:53 PM
Well I would've hated the tax policy for sure.  But I wouldn't have hated America.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on January 12, 2019, 10:33:15 PM
Nobody has commented on having a corporate tax rate of 70%. Does anyone think that a corporation that earns over 10 million a year should be taxed at 70%? If not, then what is the correct tax on corporations?
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on January 12, 2019, 11:09:46 PM
if you believe corporations are people, as the GOP has stated, they should be taxed exactly the same as other people.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: toddg on January 12, 2019, 11:29:27 PM
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Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Chingwa on January 12, 2019, 11:41:21 PM
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if you believe corporations are people, as the GOP has stated
It has nothing to do with belief, nor anyone's political party.  Corporate Personhood is all enshrined in case law unfortunately.  Which might have started out as a fair idea but certainly has not been for a very long time.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Gordan on January 12, 2019, 11:50:19 PM
Even Paul Krugman says this is a good idea and he tends to be pretty measured in his evaluations. Basically, most very wealthy people make money off the gains on their investments. Most people don't understand this concept because they are used to getting paid for work they do.

So, only earned income is taxed at 70% and the above 10 million set will still thrive because capitol gains are taxed at a lower rate. Which will probably be targeted in a future republican administration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/opinion/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-tax-policy-dance.html
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Chingwa on January 12, 2019, 11:59:11 PM
Paul Krugman has been penning happy-go-lucky socialist articles for the last year.  Of course he's on board with this.

As for corporate tax, it would be a great start if our biggest corporations were made to pay even the current tax-rate, instead of getting a a magical free pass that normal people don't.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: N00b on January 13, 2019, 08:09:24 PM
It’s ...amazing how effective the American dream scam is that all of these people who will never make $10 million a year worry about getting taxed on $10million because they think they can make that *one day* without a basic understanding of how taxes work.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Chingwa on January 13, 2019, 09:28:37 PM
What authority does government have to claim 70% of someone's earnings?  You guys hate rich people that much that you think that is OK?  I think it's much more worthwhile to find ways to make government smaller and cheaper, rather than trying to fund an ever expanding bureacracy.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: odyshape on January 14, 2019, 10:58:10 AM
What authority does government have to claim 70% of someone's earnings?

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
- Amendment XVI, Constitution of United States of America 1789
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Chingwa on January 14, 2019, 11:12:01 AM
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Cute, but doesn't address the 70% question.  I could likewise assume based on your post that you believe congress has the authority to levy 100% taxes because of the 16th amendment.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: jh35 on January 14, 2019, 11:30:40 AM
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Cute, but doesn't address the 70% question.  I could likewise assume based on your post that you believe congress has the authority to levy 100% taxes because of the 16th amendment.

Chingwa, please read the chart above. Taxes were much higher in the past. Your posts are tiresome and argumentative.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Chingwa on January 14, 2019, 11:45:28 AM
I did read the chart and I don't agree that it was OK to levy 70, 80, 90% taxes in the past.  And don't think it's OK to do that now just because it was done previous.  And I don't tell you to stop posting regardless of how I feel about your posts, so please refrain from doing so to me.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: jh35 on January 14, 2019, 12:16:08 PM
I did read the chart and I don't agree that it was OK to levy 70, 80, 90% taxes in the past.  And don't think it's OK to do that now just because it was done previous.  And I don't tell you to stop posting regardless of how I feel about your posts, so please refrain from doing so to me.

Do you understand that a 70% tax rate on ten million dollars means that the money OVER 10 million is at the 70% rate and not the first 10 million?
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: jh35 on January 14, 2019, 12:19:18 PM
I did read the chart and I don't agree that it was OK to levy 70, 80, 90% taxes in the past.  And don't think it's OK to do that now just because it was done previous.  And I don't tell you to stop posting regardless of how I feel about your posts, so please refrain from doing so to me.

If the super rich had not been stealing from us for the last 40 years we would not need high taxes from them now. Our infrastructure is atrocious.

I used to work at IRS. I know they have been stealing from us, even more than the low rates.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Chingwa on January 14, 2019, 12:33:35 PM
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Do you understand that a 70% tax rate on ten million dollars means that the money OVER 10 million is at the 70% rate and not the first 10 million?
Yes, I understand.

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I used to work at IRS. I know they have been stealing from us, even more than the low rates.
Someone keeping their own money is now stealing?  We have tax laws, enforce the tax laws.  If there are loopholes for super wealthy, legislate out those loop holes.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: odyshape on January 14, 2019, 01:14:08 PM
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Cute, but doesn't address the 70% question.  I could likewise assume based on your post that you believe congress has the authority to levy 100% taxes because of the 16th amendment.

If you understood the difference between can and should, you'd see that this answers the question you asked. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that its unlawful or unconstitutional. FDR proposed a 100% top marginal tax rate. He "settled" for 94%, not because 100% was unconstitutional, but because it was politically unviable. So, yes, congress has the authority to levy 100% taxes, and if they did, they'd all get voted out of office.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on January 14, 2019, 03:04:06 PM
but 94 percent could result in landslide wins, as in FDR's case.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: jeanette on January 14, 2019, 04:41:57 PM
I have no issue with raising taxes on the highest tax brackets, but not for funding AOC's Green New Deal.

I am not one of her piglets in search of a teat.

I stand with Les Gilets Jaunes.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Gordan on January 15, 2019, 01:16:08 AM
I have no issue with raising taxes on the highest tax brackets, but not for funding AOC's Green New Deal.

I am not one of her piglets in search of a teat.

I stand with Les Gilets Jaunes.

Then what would you raise taxes for? The Green New Deal could be a solution to our deteriorating infrastructure. Last year a highway collapsed in the Atlanta area. Transit tunnels in our own area continue to decay from salt water floods during sandy. On top of this there is the highest level of carbon in the atmosphere in the planets history. AND it went up last year.

I'm assuming from the cantankerous nature of your comment that you are an older person. So, maybe you don't care what happens to the planet. I'll still be here for the worst of it. And so will the rest of the small children living in the neighborhood today.

Maybe you hate the AOC media circus. I'm sure she does too. But, let's not dismiss this plan because a few cable news networks need ratings to show off to their advertisers.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: jeanette on January 15, 2019, 10:11:05 AM
You could have insulted me in the first paragraph. Why waste time?

The Green New Deal doesn't build bridges. It remakes the economy via the energy sector. That's the Green part. As to the New Deal, as proposed, GND establishes the socialist system she campaigned on.

If you're serious about climate change, then you should be championing population control. And posting on Chinese forums.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on January 15, 2019, 03:54:05 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/01/15/americans-support-ocasio-cortezs-70-percent-tax-rate-on-rich-poll/
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: itsit on January 15, 2019, 04:38:45 PM
 I know it is a different topic altogether but...but if she tried some incremental changes I believe it would happen faster and
make more of an impact long term. My suggestion is the one of many in the medical profession. Lower the Medicare
eligibility rates to 55yrs. This way the health care system can take on the segment of population most in jeopardy with
health care and often in the highest need. Lowers costs for everyone else. Employers can start giving more benefits
until we move towards a single payer system if that ever happens. Also allow rich people to get off Medicare or off
Social Security if they make above a certain figure that would cut off at upper middle class top rates. Smaller steps
please!

 I think that in this day and age, rich people move their money around when the taxes get raised and I don't see them
sitting around to pay this 70% tax rate. Not with all the other ways to avoid it internationally. But I could seeing them
walk from SS payments if they were above the cutoff along with avoiding Medicare which they could afford to lose also.

  Also please try to divert the spotlight or share it with the many other new members of Congress who also have compelling
stories of how they got there. Just seems like the nice thing to do, locally maybe include Max Rose for example. Long term
support of colleagues can make a difficult thankless job much easier if you join forces.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JH.77 on January 16, 2019, 11:29:19 AM
Ocasio-Cortez vs. Trump, and the Winner Is…
 

Tuesday, January 15, 2019

Though just one-in-three voters have a favorable opinion of freshman Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, if she were old enough to run for president in 2020, she’d give President Trump a run for his money.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that, if the 2020 presidential race was between Trump and Ocasio-Cortez, 43% of Likely U.S. Voters would vote for Trump, while 40% would vote for Ocasio-Cortez. A sizable 17% are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

 
The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on January 10 and 13, 2019 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on January 16, 2019, 12:13:36 PM
I don’t believe that poll for a second. AOC is lucky to win re-election in two years. Also our Senator is running for President too. She also has no chance to win. I do like the wacky ideas AOC comes up with because it is very amusing. It is like a car wreck that never gets old. There will never be enough money from the “wealthy” to pay for all the new social programs that she can dream up. BTW, you can tell she never ran a business or paid much if any taxes. The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money to spend.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on February 07, 2019, 12:05:06 PM
Shocking slap in the face on her core issue:

https://nypost.com/2019/02/07/nancy-pelosi-leaves-ocasio-cortez-off-climate-change-panel/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on February 07, 2019, 01:54:12 PM
AOC rolls out her new Green New Deal.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-unveils-green-new-deal-20190207-story.html
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Chingwa on February 08, 2019, 10:31:30 AM
"Carbon Tax" GTFO.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: toddg on February 08, 2019, 11:47:25 AM
Vox: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s “lightning round” on money in politics goes viral (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/8/18216884/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-video-campaign-finance)

I think she is exactly the representative we need in Washington.  Other elected officials should be taking notes (and they are!).
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: jeanette on February 08, 2019, 12:08:46 PM
Showboating.

She asked the questions, which were answered. That's for the record. The rest was for the camera.

She didn't trick anyone into admitting anything they wouldn't have had to answer anyway.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on February 08, 2019, 02:21:38 PM
she really owns you folks.

it's delicious.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Paul11372 on February 08, 2019, 03:09:58 PM
she really owns you folks.

it's delicious.

Isn't a more perfect Union the goal here? LOL



Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 08, 2019, 03:20:41 PM
Regardless of her politics, she is one smart lady.  Running rings around most others.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on February 08, 2019, 03:21:51 PM
she really owns you folks.

it's delicious.

Isn't a more perfect Union the goal here? LOL

that's the exact goal. and she's achieving it. no LOL. dead serious.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on February 08, 2019, 11:16:39 PM
The “genius” doesn’t want Amazon to bring 25K jobs to Queens

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/rep-aoc-successfully-blocking-amazon-moving-queens/

AOC obviously would never qualify to get one of those high paid jobs.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Chingwa on February 10, 2019, 12:50:46 AM
I don't think people realized they were supporting the elimination of airplanes when they voted for her.  But I assume eventually she will admit wanting to eliminate cars too, so the people in the bike thread should be happy about that.  ::)
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on February 10, 2019, 02:44:25 PM
If they eliminate planes we can close LaGuardia and our property values will increase. AOC truly is a genius.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on February 10, 2019, 02:47:58 PM
it will certainly soothe the nerves of dozens of posters on this board if that happens.
Title: AOC Inaugural Address
Post by: buzz on February 16, 2019, 02:26:40 PM
Hi all, I just found on youtube the inaugural address live.   Is anyone getting the notices for this address?  Also will she being doing one for Queens as well? 
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on February 17, 2019, 12:38:33 PM
AOC has her inaugural address in the Bronx. She speaks about how Queens deserves better than a miserly 25k+ jobs that pay an average of 150k from Amazon. Scraps from the Amazon table? Has AOC ever paid any significant income taxes? no. Has she ever created one job? No way She still goes around telling people that now NYC can invest the $3billion it was going to give Amazon in Queens. Except that $3 billion doesn’t exist. Very sad that a neo communist has taken over the Democratic Party.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-metro-aoc-inauguration-amazon-20190216-story.html
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JH3525 on February 17, 2019, 01:58:00 PM
What I don't understand is that both our Mayor and Governor said that for every $1 of subsides to Amazon would generate $9 return to both the City & State or $27 Billion Dollars.  Imagine what the State & City could do with $27 Billion Dollars.  I'm at a loss at understanding the opposition against Amazon.  The City & State weren't actually writing a check to Amazon for $3 Billion but offering tax incentives over a period of decades.  The Politicians who opposed Amazon are beyond irresponsible and incompetent and have done enormous damage to NYC.  They having nothing to be proud of and neither do those individuals who opposed Amazon.  You did absolutely no harm to Amazon who sent you a message that they don't need a presence in NYC. 
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: deja on February 17, 2019, 03:12:56 PM
Clear case of karma running over dogma...
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JHMNY on February 21, 2019, 11:23:36 AM
Jackson Heights Post:

Rep. Ocasio-Cortez to Open Jackson Heights Office in March (https://jacksonheightspost.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-to-open-jackson-heights-office-in-march)

Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the newly sworn in representative of the 14th District, will be opening a Jackson Heights district office next month.

Ocasio-Cortez’s office will be located in the Bruson Building at 74-09 37th Ave., about eights blocks from where her predecessor Joseph Crowley operated from.

She anticipates opening the office on Monday, March 4, a representative from her office said at the Community Board 1 meeting on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on February 21, 2019, 02:29:31 PM
Great she should be seen at Pizza Boy soon.

Check out this video on AOC


https://youtu.be/IxasrT-lTl4

https://nypost.com/2019/02/21/ocasio-cortez-rips-media-for-reporting-on-her-new-luxury-high-rise/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on February 21, 2019, 02:41:19 PM
she OWNS you.

it's glorious to watch you snowflakes melt.  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Great she should be seen at Pizza Boy soon.

Check out this video on AOC


https://youtu.be/IxasrT-lTl4

https://nypost.com/2019/02/21/ocasio-cortez-rips-media-for-reporting-on-her-new-luxury-high-rise/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: jeanette on February 21, 2019, 03:10:11 PM
Great she should be seen at Pizza Boy soon.

She and Saikat almost ran me over one day on 37th. They walk fast, those young-uns!
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on February 21, 2019, 07:31:46 PM
I like that she moved into the Bruson Building. Better than that small building Crowley had. There is a lot of empty office space. I wish all the local government offices follow her lead and move to Bruson. As for the video content, I don’t create the content or pay for the billboard. She currently has her fifteen minutes of fame but unfortunately her sheer stupidity will catch up with her.

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/ocasio-cortez-blasts-times-square-amazon-billboard-as-wack-and-billionaire-funded
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JHResident on February 22, 2019, 09:40:54 AM
... unfortunately her sheer stupidity will catch up with her.
... then posts link to Fox News, lol.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on February 22, 2019, 10:20:56 AM
what's next? She was born in Kenya? married to George Soros? low stamina because of her Parkinson's? hasn't released her entire "permanent record" from junior high?

Tucker Carlson will be back with all the details!
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on February 24, 2019, 10:47:28 AM
Are the taxpayers actually paying 17k a month rent for her new office? I hope not.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/23/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-is-nowhere-to-be-seen-near-bronx-home/
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JH3525 on February 24, 2019, 11:05:18 AM
When I read the article yesterday, I was shocked.  I've never been to a Congressional office so I have no idea how large they are but I can't imagine 5,000 square feet.  If the rent is $17,000 a month then who else would be paying but the taxpayers.  How large is a Congressional budget?  I certainly hope the lease is not for more than 2 years and if it is, it has an, "Early Termination Lease Clause." 
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Jeffsayyes on February 24, 2019, 11:22:46 AM
Saw her parodied on SNL last night - very cool!
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on February 24, 2019, 11:34:45 AM
that's ballpark rent for NY congressional reps. and at least she's not renting from her family like the last dude.

 
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on February 24, 2019, 11:38:07 AM
that's ballpark rent for NY congressional reps. and at least she's not renting from her family like the last dude.

per Washington Post, our local congresspeople spent (per year last term)

Top spenders:
1. Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.): $326,002.66
2. Nydia Velazquez (D-N.Y.): $279,838.53
3. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.): $267,878.79
4. Joseph Crowley (D-N.Y.): $237,145.26
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 24, 2019, 12:38:01 PM
Saw her parodied on SNL last night - very cool!

Hilarious.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on March 04, 2019, 06:19:57 PM
New office opens in Jackson Heights

https://jacksonheightspost.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-to-open-jackson-heights-office-in-march
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on March 05, 2019, 10:05:52 PM
Now we see where the money comes from

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ocasio-cortezs-millionaire-chief-of-staff-violated-fec-rules-to-hide-885g-fec-complaint-alleges
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on March 05, 2019, 10:48:19 PM
Fox News.........LOL!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on March 06, 2019, 04:17:46 AM
https://www.theonion.com/fox-news-debuts-premium-channel-for-24-hour-coverage-of-1831814505?fbclid=IwAR1-1PFM-mmCzHZTl4bX9HhCONrs7dZ7lFlovjtSCJkP7eisQW3aq75E9KQ
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: CaptainFlannel on March 06, 2019, 02:41:58 PM
About the non-profit that filed the complaint about the AOC campaign with the FEC:
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/National_Legal_and_Policy_Center (https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/National_Legal_and_Policy_Center)
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Gordan on March 06, 2019, 11:27:32 PM
Wow! great job with the source watch link!

I saw the Washington Post picked up this story. Immediately I thought about the possibility that Bezos is jumping in for retaliation.

Great example of how the owner's of news sources are undermining informing the citizens by propagating stories prop up their power.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: CaptainFlannel on March 07, 2019, 01:17:06 PM
What I found most problematic about the Fox New piece was the sourcing seemed to largely be from conservative leaning groups with an agenda, and the failure to note that in the article.

It was also written in a way to encourage confirmation bias from those who have been sucked in by FNC's hyper-partisan fear-based business model.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on March 07, 2019, 01:27:22 PM
The PBS News Hour had an interesting segment the other night that explained most of what the public thinks of as Fox News actually falls under the umbrella of Fox Entertainment.  There were only a few of their hosts that fell under the Fox News umbrella.  Chris Wallace and a couple others.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on March 07, 2019, 02:15:31 PM
Millions of dollars in donations have to be looked into. We have election funding rules and everybody has to follow.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on March 07, 2019, 02:53:25 PM
Two words. Citizens United
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: jeanette on March 08, 2019, 01:32:27 AM
Two words. Citizens United

huh? maybe I'm not following you. Are you referring to the near-mil that Saikat transferred out of the PAC to an LLC? Cuz that would have nothing to do with CU.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on March 08, 2019, 08:42:19 AM
it has everything to do with Citizens United (and Michael Cohen). campaign fund "violations" are a quaint reminder of the days when we enforced rules about such things. this is the modern world, as defined by the conservative agenda. cheers, skoal and mazel tov to the cashmakers, they will inherit....everything!
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: CaptainFlannel on March 08, 2019, 08:51:03 AM
Millions of dollars in donations have to be looked into. We have election funding rules and everybody has to follow.

The complaint isn't alleging illegal donations. Not even the Fox News piece says that. Are you sure you read it or understood it?  From the article:

Quote
The FEC complaint asserts that Chakrabarti established two PACs, the Brand New Congress PAC and Justice Democrats PAC, and then systematically transfered more than $885,000 in contributions received by those PACs to the Brand New Campaign LLC and the Brand New Congress LLC -- companies that, unlike PACs, are exempt from reporting all of their significant expenditures. The PACs claimed the payments were for "strategic consulting."

Although large financial transfers from PACs to LLCs are not necessarily improper, the complaint argues that the goal of the "extensive" scheme was seemingly to illegally dodge detailed legal reporting requirements of the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, which are designed to track campaign expenditures.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Paul11372 on March 08, 2019, 08:51:25 AM
it has everything to do with Citizens United (and Michael Cohen). campaign fund "violations" are a quaint reminder of the days when we enforced rules about such things. this is the modern world, as defined by the conservative agenda. cheers, skoal and mazel tov to the cashmakers, they will inherit....everything!
Wink and nod antisemitism... Ah liberalism, the last refuge for bigotry
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 08, 2019, 09:15:01 AM
This obvious split between the Socialist Democrat faction and the more Centrist Democrats (old guard)...doesn't bode well for 2020... Particularly compared with the seemingly united GOP...

My observation.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on March 08, 2019, 10:04:21 AM
it has everything to do with Citizens United (and Michael Cohen). campaign fund "violations" are a quaint reminder of the days when we enforced rules about such things. this is the modern world, as defined by the conservative agenda. cheers, skoal and mazel tov to the cashmakers, they will inherit....everything!
Wink and nod antisemitism... Ah liberalism, the last refuge for bigotry
23 CONSERVATIVES went on the record in Congress yesterday to vote in favor of bigotry. they went on the record to support anti-semitism, racism and bigotry.

and remember, as every conservative believes, there are some very fine people who march for white supremacist views. "Jews will not replace us," as the rallying cry for all conservatives goes.....
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on March 08, 2019, 10:09:06 AM
This obvious split between the Socialist Democrat faction and the more Centrist Democrats (old guard)...doesn't bode well for 2020... Particularly compared with the seemingly united GOP...

My observation.
that is indeed a valid concern. i am not attacking your POV here.

but the far-right dragged the entire GOP rightward in the past decade, and that's why they remained united. the centrists in the GOP shrugged and went along on the trip to the extreme right.

that could happen on the other side, too, could it not?
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Paul11372 on March 08, 2019, 10:16:31 AM
it has everything to do with Citizens United (and Michael Cohen). campaign fund "violations" are a quaint reminder of the days when we enforced rules about such things. this is the modern world, as defined by the conservative agenda. cheers, skoal and mazel tov to the cashmakers, they will inherit....everything!
Wink and nod antisemitism... Ah liberalism, the last refuge for bigotry
23 CONSERVATIVES went on the record in Congress yesterday to vote in favor of bigotry. they went on the record to support anti-semitism, racism and bigotry.

and remember, as every conservative believes, there are some very fine people who march for white supremacist views. "Jews will not replace us," as the rallying cry for all conservatives goes.....


"Every"
"All"

You love a nice broad brush, eh?




Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 08, 2019, 10:47:22 AM
This obvious split between the Socialist Democrat faction and the more Centrist Democrats (old guard)...doesn't bode well for 2020... Particularly compared with the seemingly united GOP...

My observation.
that is indeed a valid concern. i am not attacking your POV here.

but the far-right dragged the entire GOP rightward in the past decade, and that's why they remained united. the centrists in the GOP shrugged and went along on the trip to the extreme right.

that could happen on the other side, too, could it not?

The GOP became united ONLY under TRUMP.

No real uniter has arisen on the Democrat side.

Even Trump's simplistic motto MAGA is actually inclusive. It is for all Americans.

Alas some of the loudest Democrat mottos...down with rich Americans...down with rich corporations...is not unifying.



Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on March 08, 2019, 10:51:11 AM
there is no uniter on the left at the moment, that's for sure.

it could happen, though.

FDR's radicalism was as extreme in its time as AOC's is today, so one never knows.

again, not arguing with you, just expressing my hopes.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 08, 2019, 11:01:38 AM
there is no uniter on the left at the moment, that's for sure.

it could happen, though.

FDR's radicalism was as extreme in its time as AOC's is today, so one never knows.

again, not arguing with you, just expressing my hopes.

FDR was during the Great Depression. Desperate times. 

I certainly do not believe times are as desperate in America now.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on March 08, 2019, 11:07:35 AM
I would argue the GOP is not truly united.  I believe establishment Republicans are only supporting Trump at this time so that the Republican party does not split. 
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 08, 2019, 11:15:17 AM
I would argue the GOP is not truly united.  I believe establishment Republicans are only supporting Trump at this time so that the Republican party does not split.

Probably.  But the optics are that the GOP is basically united under Trump.
As opposed to Democrat optics. There's no-one to unite them.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Paul11372 on March 08, 2019, 11:40:16 AM
I would argue the GOP is not truly united.  I believe establishment Republicans are only supporting Trump at this time so that the Republican party does not split.

Probably.  But the optics are that the GOP is basically united under Trump.
As opposed to Democrat optics. There's no-one to unite them.

Heaven forbid we had a strong 3rd party to stop both parties from acting like jerks
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on March 08, 2019, 11:46:46 AM
a strong third party would be great. and it would have to be centrist. the problem is, we don't have a lot of pure centrists out there. there are very, very few people who fall into the grey area on issues like, say...abortion, guns, "entitlements," tax rates, environmental issues, and so on.

we could really use two -- a center-right and a center-left -- but they wouldn't hit the ground running. and, in the current climate, the right would attempt to kill and bury the center-right. the Fox News types never stop using the term "RINO" to refer to people who believe the things Republicans espoused for decades. the only true republicans are the newly minted ones who refuse any compromise. as an equal and opposite reaction, the left is doing the same now.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: lalochezia on March 08, 2019, 09:29:48 PM


Heaven forbid we had a strong 3rd party to stop both parties from acting like jerks

It is a rare day that I agree at all with  Paul11372

today is that day!
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on March 09, 2019, 12:02:23 PM
While I don’t agree with the new green deal, AOC has been a Democratic Party superstar. She has excited many people about free college and healthcare for anyone present in the US. She is actually getting more attention than old limousine liberal Pelosi. She is setting the agenda. We don’t know what Pelosi is even “for” except she has been around a long time congress. Too bad we don’t have term limits!
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on March 09, 2019, 02:03:50 PM
my main issue with term limits is that it takes two years to figure out what's going on with the job, leaving two years to actually serve. if we make it 12 years (two senate terms, six congressional), i'd be in full support. does that seem fair?
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: deja on March 09, 2019, 02:16:43 PM
Term limits and publicly funded elections.  No more donations from anyone, and all running get the same amount of cash at each stage of the election process.  The latter just might help stop politicians from spending half or more of their time running rather than doing their job.

As it is now, wealthy donors are able and inclined to pay for much more "speech" than the common people and are hence able to inflict their own self-righteous we-know-better-than-you viewpoints on everyone else a la Koch brothers, Bloomberg, etc.  And add to that, why should anyone that doesn't live in that locality/state be able to fund who is running there?  They don't live there, it's none of their business. 

As for the Green New Deal, all the restrictions seem to be a "for thee, but not for me" deal.  I'd respect it and its proponents more if they chose to lead by example and live it wherever possible rather than telling others they can't eat meat while they are dining at steakhouses, etc. 
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 09, 2019, 06:06:37 PM
My question and head-scratching is whether the clear shift towards "identity politics" is the correct path for Democrats. 

Identity politics are great but can be factional.

Identity Politics lack the vision that we are all AMERICANS and being American (united Americans!) is our overriding identity.

I have a feeling that, on some level, the President knows (and utilizes) this in his very simplistic approach.



 
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: deja on March 10, 2019, 04:34:20 PM
The one thing politicians on both sides of the aisle seem to forget is regardless of party they are there to represent ALL of their constituents and tend to not be mindful that a win by a handful of percentage points does not constitute a mandate.  The vast majority of elections seem to be won with a very small margin.

Respect everyone, yes, but do not draw battle lines based on identity.  That goes nowhere good. 
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on March 10, 2019, 04:51:32 PM
The one thing politicians on both sides of the aisle seem to forget is regardless of party they are there to represent ALL of their constituents and tend to not be mindful that a win by a handful of percentage points does not constitute a mandate.  The vast majority of elections seem to be won with a very small margin.

Respect everyone, yes, but do not draw battle lines based on identity.  That goes nowhere good.

agreed that elected reps are there for all, but AOC did not win by a handful of percentage points. she won by nearly four to one. this district will elect the Green Party before the GOP.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: deja on March 10, 2019, 05:28:23 PM
I was speaking in general and about identity politics, not specifically about AOC and this district.   
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 10, 2019, 09:43:20 PM
The one thing politicians on both sides of the aisle seem to forget is regardless of party they are there to represent ALL of their constituents and tend to not be mindful that a win by a handful of percentage points does not constitute a mandate.  The vast majority of elections seem to be won with a very small margin.

Respect everyone, yes, but do not draw battle lines based on identity.  That goes nowhere good.

Yes. That is my point. I do not believe that Identity Politics will win the 2020 election for Democrats. The idea of Identity Politics is too limited for the big picture of the total American nation.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: JK resident on March 10, 2019, 11:04:39 PM
AOC takes a stand to help Omar.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/10/ocasio-cortez-again-praises-omar-calls-her-one-of-the-most-effective-voices-right-now/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

Also she takes a stand against capitalism. Isn’t this nation ready for a new type of government and economy?

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/433394-ocasio-cortez-capitalism-is-irredeemable
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: jeanette on March 11, 2019, 08:38:33 PM
Ok, so I didn't want to spend too much time on this cuz I already know pretty much how my neighbors feel about AOC and I didn't want to stir the pot. But this minidoc is so precisely accurate that I am compelled to share. I don't know who this narrator is, but it doesn't matter to me cuz I had already acquired on my own 98% of the same info. I DO think that Cenk is still very much at the base of the JusDems's power, and do not buy the BS that he (and Kyle Kulinski) quit--just days before the 2018 election filing period began because of past misogyny statements. And I know Cenk has denounced his past denial of the Armenian Genocide and hired Ana Kasparian, but I think that's for show. You can tell I don't trust TYTs.

The narrator gets a little exuberant about Saikat's money transfer scheme. I was a bit lukewarm about it myself, but since Saikat is so creative, I won't put anything past him.

It is not conspiracy theory. (I am softer on her as the "actress" as she does have experience with Bernie and Kennedy and Marxist ideology. I also think Riley Roberts should get credit for marketing her.) I honestly came to the same conclusions on my own.

Enjoy.

https://theblacksphere.net/2019/03/solved-the-mystery-of-aocs-rise-to-power/
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on March 11, 2019, 09:39:57 PM
oohttps://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-blacksphere-kevin-jackson/
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: Jeffsayyes on March 12, 2019, 12:40:23 PM
Doesn't everyone have mentors and people behind the scenes working for them? Do any politicians work in a quiet room with a solitary desk?


I'm not going to get into a back and forth but most of the things she says I want to see happen. Sorry but it's just a nothing video and I am not happy with the country right now.
Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: madalyn on March 12, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
oohttps://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-blacksphere-kevin-jackson/

Line by line, everything this guy says is so provably wrong that  I just can't believe anyone would give it credence.

Title: Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 14th Congressional District
Post by: dssjh on March 21, 2019, 02:30:54 AM
https://nypost.com/2019/03/21/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-lands-time-magazine-cover/