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Title: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: The Heights on January 01, 2013, 05:10:19 PM
Few days a ago I was in Brooklyn Williamsburg and I was shocked to see the neighbor changed in couple of years..I wish which we can change J.hts to more classy, clean and little uniform and we should try to attract tourist to stop by J.hts.  The area around the train station looks so disgusting and dirty. We need artist and smart people who can changes some of the areas in J.heights. Any suggestions??????
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Post by: Mary Poppins on January 01, 2013, 06:21:13 PM
I'm all for clean but I'm vehemently against uniformity.  If you don't like the gritty hodgepodge that makes JH so full of character and unique, why not move?

I first found JH as a tourist looking for saris and indian sweets.  I like how unique and how unlike manhattan and park slope it is... it still has a soul.
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Post by: dssjh on January 01, 2013, 07:15:31 PM
i agree with mary poppins...williamsburg is only attractive, in my opinion, to single people in their twenties. not that there's anything wrong with that group, but not many of them are in the market for historic district co-ops.

the reason williamsburg was so easy to gentrify is that landlords were easily able to get rid of tenants with no standing, both commercial and residential. it's harder to force someone to leave an apartment if they own it.
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Post by: Mary Poppins on January 01, 2013, 07:18:26 PM
For the record I'm a single person in my 20s and I hate hanging out in Williamsburg.  Lets leave Williamsburg to the hipsters and not try to re-create it by making over JH
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Post by: ECG on January 01, 2013, 09:54:26 PM
I'm well over my 20's and while i agree that Roosevelt is pretty gritty, it has been worse.

Classy is as classy does.
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Post by: fizzster on January 01, 2013, 10:09:14 PM
Maybe if an appealing restaurant (at the very least a brick oven pizza place or a better Italian place other than our single underwhelming, overpriced option, Armando's) or a craft brewery, for instance, (not drug lord-owned or on Roosevelt Ave.), or some other interesting option would open up here and then get favorably reviewed, it might attract notice and raise the desirability factor of the neighborhood.

Since the above idealized sequence of events seems to work in a chain reaction, other interesting (artisan or craft) businesses might become attracted to our area as a result of the favorable review. This is probably wishful thinking, but it seems as though that's how revitalization has happened elsewhere. In Brooklyn, anyway. JH is home to lots of creative and smart people. Except that we're all locked in our apartments because there's nowhere interesting we can walk to and socially mix.

The way I feel, if I have to get on a train, I may as well go into Manhattan. Lots of times I just don't feel like taking the subway, especially when it's freezing outside. It's like going to work.
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Post by: jacattak on January 02, 2013, 11:20:18 AM
  I haven't lived in JH very long but I believe it has it's own charm.  It may not be trendy or super classy however it is pretty interesting.  Personally I appreciate that the neighborhood isn't really trendy and expensive.  The variety of cultures and food we have here are pretty great too.
  That being said, I wouldn't mind having a couple more options for some social interaction.  Though, because I'm new here I might not be aware of most places people hang out here.  I have no interest in singles clubs or things like that, but I like to meet new people and socialize.  Especially since I don't know many people in the city.
  If it's the arts and socializing we're missing though, we could organize some local art events I'm sure.  Again, there are probably things like this going on that I don't know about.  We have a nice forum here for getting the word out though.  I would certainly be into meeting local artists and seeing their work.  :)
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Post by: daisy on January 02, 2013, 01:08:02 PM
I most certainly don't want another Williamsburg but that doesn't mean we couldn't use a nice Irish pub, brewery, or even a damn decent gym or park.  Goodness knows the market is there.  And we have the best transportation and green market around.  And the best damn residences.  A brewery or gym opening up here would probably make a killing.  A girl can dream.  I agree completely with Fizzster.  There is a middle ground here that can be had.
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Post by: ECG on January 02, 2013, 01:38:49 PM
If you've been reading this forum since the beginning, you will know that this topic comes up with great regularity. A different topic title, but same stuff.

JH is what it is. The changes will come gradually.

If anyone knows some investors who want to open a pub, restaurant, bookstore, wine bar, gym, social meeting center - and I almost forgot - movie theater, then bring them over to check out JH. If you know someone like Julie and Afzal of E77, have them talk to them. Their fine place was ground-breaking. Table Wine & Inner Peace were also examples of enterprising individuals who took a chance on 11372.

But don't bitch about what we don't have, thanks, but we've all heard it before.
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Post by: bryncellen on January 02, 2013, 05:27:21 PM
For years now, there have been periodic attempts by local realtors and others to market JH as the next Park Slope, Carroll Gardens etc. -- but people who move here thinking the neighborhood is on the cusp of some transformative change will inevitably be disappointed. 

I moved to JH in early 1999.   Although the prices of coops have risen exponentially since then, there has been relatively little change in the business mix in all these years.  So I am a little skeptical that things are likely to change all that much in the forseeable future either. 

In a way, it is easy to see why there has not been greater change.  Unlike some other areas, it seems to me there is no real need for a revitalization of JH -- the neighborhood is already quite vital and successful in its own right.  In most important ways (with a few exceptions) , JH serves its residents very well in terms of the quality and availability of basic goods and services such as groceries, pharmacies, doctors, dentists, banks, dry cleaners, hardware stores, restaurants, bars etc.  Most of these businesses seem to do a roaring trade and are unlikely to give way to boutiques or craft shops any time soon.   

For me that is not really a problem -- I still find JH to be a uniquely interesting and alluring neighborhood in an increasingly homogenized city.  (Not trying to score a political point, just a matter of personal taste/aesthetics.)   
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Post by: Ed on January 02, 2013, 05:36:31 PM
The problem is, most folks want the neighborhood to maintain its unique charm, which usually translates to "what it was like 5 minutes before I moved here". Unfortunately, those "5 minutes" are sometimes separated by as much as 50 years, so even the "unique charm of the neighborhood" is different things to different people. Sunnyside has managed to have an abundance of bars, healthy restaurants, diverse cuisine, small shops etc. without the (apparently horrific) onslaught of "hipsters" or becoming another colony of Imperialist Brooklyn.
And yes, we are quite well served by banks and pharmacies. I can't spit in any direction without hitting one....
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Post by: gsmayes on January 02, 2013, 07:59:18 PM
I looked at eleven apartments in Sunnyside for the reasons you mentioned, but they were all kind of dumpy. Nothing real bad, just not as nice as what I got in JH. I for one am really glad that Legends Bar exists, it's one of the few bars that has an okay tap selection and clientele I can have a conversation with. I haven't been to Espresso 77 yet because it's so tiny and packed.
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Post by: joopy86 on January 04, 2013, 05:49:30 PM
I know in my heart of hearts that if anyone in this neighborhood were to ever take a leap of faith and save years of their wages to open up a Brooklyn-y brunchy bar place that it would be a MASSIVE success.  There is clearly a market for it from counting the number of translucent Ray Bans and slim-fitting Patagonias at the farmer's market (mmhmm, I see you  :-*). The issue is no one has done it.  So, we can complain about the rando 99 cent stores all we want but fair and square, whoever opened it gathered the 6-figure capital necessary to do so.  And unlike the small businesses in of the early 2000's in neighborhoods like Greenpoint and Williamsburg or even Crown Heights more recently, investing in Jackson Heights requires exactly that: an investment.  I know a number of successful designers who now own storefronts in Nolita that started out in Williamsburg 10 years ago, and they were able to open that cute jewelry shop/coffee shop/craft beer bar because rents cost practically nothing there.  This is simply not true in Jackson Heights. I think a lot of people get confused by the immigrant mentality about $. It is inconceivable for immigrants to think of paying for $3 for a soda while eating out but they do not blink an eye when handing a relative $80,000 in cash to help them with a new business.  (Basically, this is how my parents operate.) Similarly, Jackson Heights may look 'poor' to the outsider but the rents don't necessarily reflect what one would expect of similarly 'un-gentrified' neighborhoods. Your average immigrant granny has like $50k in benjamins rolled up in her mattress somewhere.

While I think Williamsburg peaked in 2007 and is about as exciting as a midwestern college town now, there isn't a single day that I don't wish that I could go home and not either stumble onto some weird drug bust/chase down Roosevelt, an illegal furniture sale, abandoned car sales, step on gum/spit, etc.  I really do think it's wonderful that in 2012 that our neighborhood remains a place in NYC where you can live like a person on a real person budget instead of a trust fund brat.  Regardless of how you feel about willing its 'artsiness' and 'trendiness' further, I think the first step that everyone can agree on would be to see the quality of life issues dealt with - cleaner streets, less honking, less illegal activity, etc.  We will all be better off for it. Then maybe, someone will front the cash for a bistro and 'trendy' places!

Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: daisy on January 04, 2013, 07:17:08 PM
Thanks for the thoughtful post, Joopy.  Those are all great points.  Brings some perspective to the situation.  I'm all for better quality of life around here - and those issues are a good place to start.  And again, I don't think anyone wants or needs another Williamsburg.  A nice middle ground is present in other areas of Queens and could happen here.  But I'll take cleaner streets and less illegal activity any day.
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Post by: dssjh on January 04, 2013, 07:47:09 PM
agreed, daisy, cleaner streets and less illegal activity are great things-- and our neighborhood has made great strides in both, as anyone who's lived here for any length of time can attest. not that we've achieved perfect scores, but it's a whole lot better than my first experiences around here in '82 or so.

and williamsburg? far, far, far dirtier than jackson heights as a rule, particularly when it comes to the public urination that my friends who live there say the patrons of those cool bars are responsible for. ditto the coke dealing, which is about the same there. yeah, i recognize i am honing in on that one neighborhood, but it seems to be the point of comparison for so many people seeking a new york ideal before moving to rockland county.
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Post by: Chuckster on January 05, 2013, 10:45:36 AM
I think it's pretty funny that back in the day, when people asked where I lived, and I replied Jackson Heights, a look of horror would come across their faces.  Today I get comments like, "oh... that's such a cool and trendy neighborhood." ???  Well, I agree... it's cool to live here.
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Post by: I live here too on January 06, 2013, 04:15:27 PM
Seriously without making Jackson Heights another Williamsburg or Park Slope, this place could use some sprucing up. In your house or apartment, you need to paint, replace things, update things. Why is JH any different? Let's face it, there are merchants who's stores are just plain trashy and then there are some that really try to make this place a pleasant place to live. In my opinion, there are too many who either don't try or don't care. Can I make them do things differently to my tastes? Obviously not. But if a merchant have a crummy plastic sign hanging from the front of your store or a bunch or trashy merchandise on a table out front, I hope they get a ticket for not adhering to landmark (or other) laws. By not following the rules, everyone suffers, people don't want to shop here, people don't want to live here. And I don't mean just "hipsters". I mean normal middle class people who want to run out on the weekend and shop in their OWN neighborhood, not have to go to Manhattan or Trader Joe's in Forest Hills. I work long hours and want to buy local, but sorry, this place really could use some help. Should I move, well I would, if I could. I'd rather stay, cause this place has a lot of potential, if only it wasn't it's own worse enemy.  I was thrilled to see that 82nd BID is going to start working with merchants, thrillled!!!
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Post by: dssjh on January 06, 2013, 06:28:32 PM
i agree that there are some retailers who have little or no consideration for making their storefronts look even remotely nice, and i wish they would put in more of an effort.

but in any neighborhood where there's economic diversity, there's diversity of retail. some people like 99 cent stores. some people NEED 99 cent stores. i actually find myself getting some great bargains in our dollar stores -- but if i had my way, i'd cut back on phone card places and check cashing joints -- both of which clearly also cater to a demand (if they didn't, they wouldn't exist).

it's safe to say that roosevelt avenue, like brighton beach avenue or other places where an el is overhead, is not going to spruce up. it's a fact of life. if a couple of people took a chance on 37th avenue or even woodside avenue, i think they might be pleasantly surprised about the response.

we have destination places here. friends of mine asked to be taken to our south asian restaurants back in the '90s. or to d'espana, or to....well, you get the idea. we don't need a complete change of vibe, just a few people to actually make little tweaks, rather than root them on from the sidelines.
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Post by: joopy86 on January 06, 2013, 08:24:17 PM
Seriously without making Jackson Heights another Williamsburg or Park Slope, this place could use some sprucing up. In your house or apartment, you need to paint, replace things, update things. Why is JH any different? Let's face it, there are merchants who's stores are just plain trashy and then there are some that really try to make this place a pleasant place to live.

The most confusing retail spots for me on 37th avenue are the totally empty weight loss/spa spots.  They don't really look frequented and I'm not talking about the ones where you see patrons in...there's one between 79-80 I believe? I hope they're not Herbalife headquarters or something similarly scammy.

For me, the ABSOLUTE WORSE "commercial" block on Jackson Heights is 75th street between Roosevelt and 37 - coincidentally the block where Dromm's office is located.  I don't know why I find it so depressing but I do...mainly because most of the 'businesses' look like tumorous illegal outgrowths on zoned housing.  Also, the majority of the 'businesses' consist of  really, really shady medical practices - I could care less when it's like a booty jean store or whatever, but when it involves people's health it's very disheartening to see potentially dangerous practices.  That "WOMEN'S HEALTH" basement clinic skeeved me out so much at one point that I actually looked it up because I was pretty concerned about it, as a woman.  It turns out that it belonged to a doctor (it was closed when I moved over a year ago, but the sign was still up, and it might not be closed any more) by the name of Salomon Epstein that had his medical license revoked repeatedly and was responsible for a number of sloppily done abortions and the death of a woman (this is all public information btw, google it if you want to see the grisly court documents).  I was incredibly disturbed for weeks after I found out...and I still see women occasionally knocking on that door - all from vulnerable minority and immigrant populations, of course.

Sorry to be a bummer on a Sunday night.


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Post by: The Heights on January 06, 2013, 09:22:43 PM
I live here - that was good suggestion- ...I find the produce in the supermarket to be lacking freshness.Most time I travel to the city. I wish we can have a nice place for grocery shopping. By the way, I was walking down 74 street today I was disappointed by the renovation of the old Jackson Height movie theater.  I wish they would have kept some kind of old character to the building , I wish someone can cleanup that area and the new grocery store next to Citibank looks so nasty and dirty. Why would someone post goat and fish pictures in that ugly canopy? That store seems odd and dirty in that location...
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Post by: I live here too on January 07, 2013, 10:15:06 AM
Last night I stopped at the Met food store because I find it's the best for the most things. well I was shocked to see it lit up outside like a nightclub (it's a food store!!!), the produce wilted and the cashiers milling around like there weren't any customers on line. I live down the other end of 37th but I would walk down to the Met because Trade Fair on 90th has been even worse. I've been working alot and away for the holidays so I haven't seen the new lighting set-up. I was shocked that after all those months of work on the exterior, it looks like a Gentleman's Club. I'm sorry, it's simply horrible. Others may disagree, that's your perrogative, but I was really disappointed.
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Post by: I live here too on January 07, 2013, 10:29:42 AM
BUT if you can make it there on Sundays - the JH Farmers Market is one of the best neighborhood markets in the city and a great way to shop local. I go as often as I can. Even if you can't find kiwis, it's healthier to eat locally produced seasonal food.
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Post by: dssjh on January 07, 2013, 10:49:43 AM
i agree completely about the "renovation" .... i don't know what they were thinking.

but don't judge the merchandise quality by a sunday night visit -- that's the worst time to look for produce or meat, since you're guaranteed everything that's out is at least a couple of days old. the produce is actually pretty good there as a rule, although i wish they hadn't pulled back on organic offerings. trade fair still has a decent selection on that front.
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Post by: taggie on January 07, 2013, 10:51:04 AM
 The success of the Farmers Market makes a point that there should be "comparable" businesses all over Jackson Heights
as we clearly have the demographic who likes quality food. Could the landlords on 37th avenue really hold this much
power as to deter wanted businesses from trying to open here? Because Astoria and Sunnyside don't seem to have this
problem with inviting a fresher retail environment.
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Post by: hfm on January 07, 2013, 03:22:37 PM
I would definitely love to see a good brunch spot or two or decent pub with a great beer selection. There's tons of stuff in Astoria though which is a quick skip over the R. There's some good trendish stuff in the hood to mix with the great diversity we have here. E77, Table Wine,  and a couple others. I haven't been to Legends yet though I've been trying to get over there, do they have TVs? Maybe I could catch some playoffs there over the weekend if so.

The place that confounds me to no end is Novo. It's got a good vibe and a decent menu during the day/early evening. But it turns into a total cr*pshow later at night to the point where guns are being pulled and they need bouncers. Saddening. One of these days something like happened the other day where a lady that got hit in the gut by a stray bullet while sitting in her apt is going to happen.
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Post by: joopy86 on January 07, 2013, 04:44:07 PM
@I live here too - The often lauded Lemon Farm, on 77 and 37, has good groceries and there's a great store for vegetables next door when you can't get to the farmer's market.  I don't know what it's called but I think it's Korean-owned, there are usually some fruits outside and it doesn't look really worthy of exploring but once you go inside you'll find some nice, fresh, CLEAN produce that is neatly and nicely laid out. (Everyone know the place I'm talking about?)  The prices are fair too.  Cleanliness is a BIG thing for me because I've found that pretty much all the leafy produce I buy from Trade Fair, or even occasionally the Met, have tons of debris on it.  I think the Met is overall fine, if not a little generic and boring (and now with the horrible Florida strip mall lights), but I have a special place in my heart for Trade Fair.  My boyfriend calls it "sh*tshow" and refuses to refer to it by name.  I don't think that place is great for actual grocery shopping but it's great as like, an anthropological field trip.  I don't know how a grocery store can manage to simultaneously be too much and too little, but it totally is.  

My big gripe grocery wise about JH is the lack of quality meat -- fish markets and butchers in a central location.  Yes, I know that I can probably source things from different places but it's not that easy especially since those places cater to ethnic populations and as an English speaker I can't navigate them that well.  I grew up in Astoria and I miss having butchers and fish people who I know by name who save me the cuts I like!
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Post by: I live here too on January 07, 2013, 06:29:46 PM
Yes, I know about those stores but I live down the other end of 37th (on 88th). We were excited when a fruit/vegetable store opened  on 85th, it looked promising but the produce is lackluster. My husband likes fruit and proclaimed his purchases tasteless. Lemon Tree is clearly a much better store in terms of quality and "aesthetics". The store started out neat and orderly, then the "How many signs/lights etc. can I hang in my window" effect began. I don't know why merchants think that flashing lights, music and other distractions are going to add up to sales around here, because clearly they do not. When the sign for 40 Ounce Malt Liquor went up, it was all over for me. I know that the store is just trying to make a living, I know.

On the other hand, most people don't realize this but the restaurant El Chivito D'oro sells fresh uncooked meat in a case at the front of the restaurant.  I really like this restaurant in general, it is authentic without being garish and ugly. The steak sandwiches are a great deal. I haven't bought a fresh steak from them yet, but they look to be of good quality, much like the Argentinian butcher that closed.
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Post by: dssjh on January 07, 2013, 08:04:03 PM
have you tried the butcher shop next to la boina roja on 37th? the steaks are pretty good, though not quite as good, in my opinion, as the late lamented argentine butcher.
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Post by: mrose19 on January 08, 2013, 08:45:06 AM
The green food truck on the corner of 73rd and Broadway, with its trash and junk thrown on the sidewalk isn't helping to make JH look crisp and nice. In fact that whole corner is a mess.
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Post by: I live here too on January 08, 2013, 10:25:00 AM
I have not tried the boina roja butcher shop but it looks like a nice shop. there is a hispanic butcher up by me on 37th by Trade Fair, but it is mob scene at all times and the few times I walked in there, I was bowled over by a unpleasant smell. Yes, I do miss the Argentinian butcher. I think chivito del oro has a relationship with them though.
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Post by: bryncellen on January 08, 2013, 10:48:20 AM
Mi Tierra on Northern and 82nd is small but clean and well organized with very good fruits and vegetables (although a limited selection of other goods).  I find this to be a very pleasant place to shop.

A few blocks further along is what is now called  Compare which has been through several previous incarnations but is currently a large and reasonably well-stocked store, with decent fruits and vegetables and has the added advantage of being open 24 hours.   

Both of these are just a few blocks away from where I live so I can’t complain.  Also in that general area along Northern in the 80s are, among other things, Pan Fino (open 24 hours) two  good dry cleaners, a good bagel place, Pio Pio eat in and take out, two empanada places, a decent hardware store, D’Espana, and a 24 hour Rite Aid.  Re the latter, I know that some people on this board have a horror of proliferating drug stores (which I understand up to a point) but for me it is a huge convenience having something so basic that is always open just a couple of blocks from my apartment……

On a less positive note, I have to say that C Town on 37th and 85th , which was a dreary place when I moved here, only seems to have gotten worse with the passing years but I just try to avoid it…..
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Post by: Superclam on January 08, 2013, 11:47:42 AM
I like that Compare supermarket. I'll walk a few extra blocks to get there to avoid going to the Junction Food Bazaar at the corner of Junction & 34th. I'd actually walk over hot coals to avoid going to the Junction Food Bazaar.
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Post by: ECG on January 08, 2013, 12:14:16 PM
As predicted, or mentioned, this thread is following paths already written about.
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Post by: I live here too on January 08, 2013, 12:15:35 PM
It's a conversation.
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Post by: ECG on January 08, 2013, 12:44:19 PM
Yep, but we've been here so many times before.
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Post by: I live here too on January 08, 2013, 02:25:18 PM
I think that people are frustrated and at least this gives them an outlet.
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Post by: Colombia on January 13, 2013, 10:52:21 PM
I'm South american and I'm proud that Jackson Heights is NOT trendy, classy and attractive..if we start to see changes like Williamsburg then the real estate price will go up . I'm glad  lot of people in this blog don't want to make like Williamsburg. I'm happy that we can shop in a store like Bangladesh 99 cents stores and I love shopping at 82 street and Roosevelt ave. I'm glad the subway station at 74 street looks ugly design, dark dirty station iIF they renovate then MTA will increase the subway fare.  I'm glad that our community is NOT complaining  about the station and its atmosphere... I glad To live in Jackson Heights.  Cheap food at 73 Bengali bazaar, best 99 cent stores in NYC, great Asian bodegas corner stores at 37 ave.  WE HAVE CHEAP RENT AND CHEAP FOOD. CAN'T GO WRONG WITH THAT !!! One of the best place to live in queens.
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Post by: I live here too on January 14, 2013, 09:15:39 AM
It is possible to live in an affordable place and not have it look like a dump. Immigrants have done this for as long as there have been immigrants.  Also, Jackson Heights residents are not only South American, but they are middle class working people who aspire to more, if only a livable environment to live and raise families in.
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Post by: dna on January 14, 2013, 12:47:18 PM
I'm on board with those yearning for improved quality of life.  Some parts of J.Heights are just beautiful and a big part of what sucked me in 5 years ago when I moved here.  But other parts are often so dirty and unpleasant - namely the areas closer to the subway.  That dumpster on the west side of 75th between Roosevelt and 37th avenue that is right on the walk to the subway and out most mornings is perhaps the worst consistently bad smelling thing (during the summer) I've ever encountered.  My wife and I love taking long walks around the neighborhood, but rarely do we venture south of 35th avenue and we increasingly walk north of Northern for variety (though 34th avenue in the 70's & 80's is still my favorite including some of the adjoining blocks).  I've lived in Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan's Chinatown, the East Village, and Williamsburg - and I don't mind gritty as an interesting change of pace, but our neighborhood just has the wrong kind of 'grit' for me I guess.

With regards to comparisons to Williamsburg or Astoria, Jackson Heights may be missing some of the cool restaurants and outdoor cafes, but the architecture in Jackson Heights (north of 37th Avenue at least) is so much nicer.  Williamsburg to me was one of the ugliest places I've ever lived.  I work in Manhattan so I can get my fix of trendy shops and restaurants there (not that I'd mind a few more here).  I'd just rather my neighborhood at home be a little cleaner.  I mean, littering is against the law, right?
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Post by: Di_11372 on January 14, 2013, 10:35:45 PM

I agree that the most important and realistic thing to focus on would be to clean up the neighborhood. It needs it.

I have no illusions about this neighborhood, it is an affordable and safe lower middle class family neighborhood, good public transit, with a strong immigrant community. Other than some of the gorgeous architecture, the only outstanding feature I believe is the incredible/authentic ethnic food. To partake in anything very interesting, or entertainment related I always need to leave the neighborhood, it's a fact.

Let us not forget the H- word.
The people responsible for changing certain neighborhoods in Brooklyn you have been discussing, are Hipsters.
The truth is, young, single, artistic types do not flock and or strive to live in Jackson Heights.

Hipsters transformed Williamsburg, I believe, because they were incredibly passsionate about the neighborhood, and only with great passion, can residents transform a neighborhood.
Just look at how Bushwick has started to evolve, do you know why? The middle class Hipsters who could no longer afford Williamsburg moved there, again , there's something about Brooklyn that drives young people to transform it, make it their own.

Take Care.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: jadasie on January 15, 2013, 09:10:20 AM
Fearing (or hoping) that JH will become another Williamsburg or Park Slope is silly. The design of the neighborhood alone precludes any move in those directions. We have no park space, limited building development potential, and strict boundaries between residential and commercial properties. I can only assume that the planning of Jackson Heights (unlike the more organic growth of older neighborhoods like Astoria) makes it very difficult to open a commercial venture that doesn't target the broadest possible audience. There's little room to open "off the beaten path," to take a chance on a quiet and less expensive corner. Sooner or later "trendy" and "classy" bars and restaurants will creep in, perhaps even on prime corners, but I think JH lacks the structural requisites to bring about wholesale gentrification.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: I live here too on January 15, 2013, 10:13:16 AM
But aspiring to keep JH dirty noisy and with substandard retail (yes nothing other than 99 cent stores and bodegas is substandard) is no aspiration at all. We need clean streets, fresh quality food and stores that sell products that don't leach toxicity into the environment. This should be a baseline for a middle class neighborhood.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: joopy86 on January 15, 2013, 01:12:55 PM
But aspiring to keep JH dirty noisy and with substandard retail (yes nothing other than 99 cent stores and bodegas is substandard) is no aspiration at all. We need clean streets, fresh quality food and stores that sell products that don't leach toxicity into the environment. This should be a baseline for a middle class neighborhood.

Yes to all of this.

What bothers me most about this board is that there is a contingent of people who have a knee jerk reaction to discussions about improving Jackson Heights as a community and conflating this desire with the absurd notion that people are trying to turn it into Williamsburg or that the distaste for J Heights' civic problems is rooted in racism.  As others have mentioned it is literally impossible to turn J Heights into Williamsburg/Bwick and the the topic of local business development has been explored many a times.  (Bwick and Wburg and LIC started off as INDUSTRIAL neighborhoods full of empty crumbling warehouses that were so desperate for businesses, any kind of business, that they were practically giving away storefronts for free which made it possible for those with nothing more than a plaid shirt and dream to make it work.  Obviously not the case in J Heights as it's always had a population and businesses to cater to them.)  Anyway, I actually don't even mind the bodegas and 99 cent stores and for now I'm ok with the grocery options -  the issue is more general than that.

As a minority I have to actually say it's quite racist to assume that ethnic people think that the level of cleanliness in JH is acceptable. Basically the same as saying that Honey Boo Boo's family is that way because they're white.  Even ethnic communities know of Jackson Heights as a bit slummy and those who reside there know that the conditions of the street are unacceptable.  And all it boils down to a lack of civic pride and belief that the neighborhood could be a community rather than a place to do business or crash temporarily. And unfortunately street cleanliness is one of those awful behavioral feedback-loop causing type situations where people litter because they think it's dirty, and it's dirty because they keep littering.  Do you really think those THREE people I saw spitting ON the train platform this morning would ever dare to do it on a Upper East Side street? No. And most immigrants have SPARKLING houses with floors cleaned nightly and a higher standard of personal hygiene that the majority of Americans - the issue all boils down to the lack of civic feeling for the public of JH.  There are PLENTY of ethnic communities in NYC-area that do not have the same level of grit - neighborhoods such as Sunset Park, Sunnyside, Lefferts Gardens, Ditmas Park, Bayside (I find comparisons to Roosevelt to under the El in Astoria laughable, nowhere in Astoria is there more gum than sidewalk on the street.)  I think it says a lot that ALL of the small business owners in J Heights that I've spoken to do not even live in the neighborhood - they live in Astoria or Bayside or Sunnyside.

Anyway, at the end of the day, all I really want is for people to simply obey the law and have some sense of pride in the neighborhood.  Meaning no illegally zoned businesses.   More regulation of law-breaking medical establishments that target a poor and illegal population while scamming medicare/medicaid - I'm looking at you, gross 75th street doctors. No street taco vendors pouring 2 gallons worth of HOT GREASE onto the streets (saw this this weekend!). No crazy obviously illegal office furniture sales.  Even something as simple as repaving the streets by the 74 train station would go a long way because it would dramatically make a difference in the level of expectation so that the first thing people see isn't a street peppered completely with gum and pigeon crap.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: NYC Native on January 16, 2013, 10:43:31 PM
While there is limited growth due to JH specific design, there is plenty of potential for new pubs, artist and eateries.  The one issue I see is that once you have a historical designation it is almost impossible to change the overall character of a neighborhood.  I think Jackson Hts is unique and charming and it will never be a Williamsburg because a real community existed here long before Williamsburg was largely rezoned in 2005.  Since the 1990's, there was an effort to save Williamsburg and rightly so.  It was a horrible place, not unlike the South Bronx, Harlem and many other Brooklyn spots of the "not so long ago".  When New York City Council approved and passed the huge rezoning of the North and Greenpoint's waterfront it was with the intent to gentrify and the landlords moved to take advantage of the Real Estate boom.  LIC is going through this as well and just wait and see what happens within the next 4 or 5 years. 

One thing that perplexes me is the huge rents that Jackson Hts store fronts command for the relatively small sq footage..  Even in places like Astoria, LIC and Williamsburg the square ft prices tend to be more comparably reasonable.  I know of some landlords that actually try to help the new business get established if they bring something special to their building.  I have never seen that in Jackson Hts and surrounding area.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Jeffsayyes on January 17, 2013, 10:20:13 AM
I do understand the low commercial rents in LIC. JH is a great community, and the residents actually walk around and shop locally. LIC is largely a commuter community. I spend a lot of time there, and I get frustrated b/c there are sooo many people that live in those huge apartment buildings, and yet their beautiful new park is largely empty - except of nannys - and the restaurants are dead. friday and saturday nights it might seem like a hotspot, but at other times everyone is in another borough. This figures, for a place where the biggest asset to a community is the ability to leave it.

HOWEVER, it is absurd that the rents are so high, and 37th avenue is visibly dying. Roosevelt Avenue, on the other hand, at least does not have lifeless storefronts for very long.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: NYC Native on January 17, 2013, 11:15:41 PM
@ Jeffsayyes - I actually have to agree with everything you wrote...Good analogy! :o
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: The Heights on January 18, 2013, 10:30:22 PM
Recently, I came across a websites called www.airbnb.com for those who don't know it worth looking into. It allows homeowners to hosts guests from out of town for reasonable daily rates of their plates. So, I decided to browse and see what was available in Jackson Heights? the results looked outstanding to foreigners and a couple of places were good but this particular one stood out: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/495249 (listing # 6)

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: dssjh on January 18, 2013, 11:34:01 PM
my first thought is that virtually no co-op board in existence would allow this -- since it's a de facto illegal short term sublet.

condo owners may have more leeway, but i can't speak to that.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Jack Feldstein on January 19, 2013, 08:23:13 PM
Thanks for the airbnb information. This room looks excellent.  I will recommend it to visitors.
Obviously, it's in a house...not a co-op or a condo.  Thus the host doesn't have co-op board concerns.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Mary Poppins on January 19, 2013, 08:44:26 PM
Regardless of co-op rules if the legal resident of the home is not home during the stay, it is illegal and you run the risk of NYC authorities cracking down on you. So it doesn't matter co-op/condo/private house.

The last thing NYC wants is for landlords of residential homes to skirt rental laws and get in under the radar on our hotel industry.

Hotels/Hostals/B&Bs exist for a reason, so do residential homes.  Its a huge risk to confuse the two. 
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: ShinjukuBaby on January 19, 2013, 09:25:08 PM
As has been pointed out on this thread and in others, the commercial rents in Jackson Heights, particularly on 37th Ave, are way too high.  This may be the single biggest factor preventing small, locally owned businesses from starting up. 

The real estate is privately owned and the owners have the right to charge (or try to charge) whatever the market will bear.  Having said that, there has to be some creative solutions we could explore as a community to work with landlords to encourage a better mix of retail on 37th.

I don't pretend to have the answers, but I wish there were a way to start that dialogue.  Who can provide leadership?  Council Member Dromm? 

I love that we have this forum on the web to discuss it, but how can we get the ball rolling in the "real world"?
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Colombia on January 20, 2013, 10:09:46 AM
Thanks for the airbnb information. This room looks excellent.  I will recommend it to visitors.
Obviously, it's in a house...not a co-op or a condo.  Thus the host doesn't have co-op board concerns.

Great review, beautiful place and its a private house. Thanks guys
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: taggie on January 20, 2013, 11:11:40 AM
 I think that renting in your own home/apt should be allowed as long as someone responsible is there. In Ireland, for example
many women run a small business renting rooms in their homes, B&B style, and it's government supervised. They are clean
and affordable and have to pass a government inspection that might be yearly with advice on costs and upgrades.
  It's a great way to travel and feel like you are seeing some measure of authenticity in the place. This Jackson Heights rental
looks great to me and far better than some new but sterile hotel in LIC for visiting NYC.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: theplanesland on January 20, 2013, 08:47:57 PM
This airbnb thing is a topic I know a lot about. Trust me. I know a LOT about it. From every angle.

The current "illegal hotels" law here in NY State prohibits all rentals less than 30 days, where the primary resident is not present at the time, in Class A Multiple Dwellings (any building with THREE OR MORE residential units.) Also, every co-op board in the neighborhood prohibits sublets of less than 30 days (and usually, less than one year.)

So airbnb is legal in Jackson Heights IF:
      * The primary resident is present and is renting out a 'spare room.' This falls under AirBNB's "hosted" section and is allowed under the NYS "boarder" law. Whether co-op boards can prohibit boarders is up to the individual building, but it must be included in the terms of the proprietary lease.
       OR
       * The building being rented out is a one or two-family home and thus does not fall under Class A mult dwellings.

That said, AirBNB is in an ongoing war with the city over the illegal rentals law and is currently showing up to 3,200 illegal NYC rentals, according to Skift.

http://skift.com/2013/01/07/airbnbs-growing-pains-mirrored-in-new-york-city-where-half-its-listings-are-illegal-rentals/

http://skift.com/2013/01/11/airbnb-responds-to-illegal-rentals-story-first-of-all-its-not-illegal-everywhere/
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Shelby2 on January 20, 2013, 09:05:18 PM
This airbnb thing is a topic I know a lot about. Trust me. I know a LOT about it. From every angle.

The current "illegal hotels" law here in NY State prohibits all rentals less than 30 days, where the primary resident is not present at the time, in Class A Multiple Dwellings (any building with THREE OR MORE residential units.) Also, every co-op board in the neighborhood prohibits sublets of less than 30 days (and usually, less than one year.)

So airbnb is legal in Jackson Heights IF:
      * The primary resident is present and is renting out a 'spare room.' This falls under AirBNB's "hosted" section and is allowed under the NYS "boarder" law. Whether co-op boards can prohibit boarders is up to the individual building, but it must be included in the terms of the proprietary lease.
       OR
       * The building being rented out is a one or two-family home and thus does not fall under Class A mult dwellings.

That said, AirBNB is in an ongoing war with the city over the illegal rentals law and is currently showing up to 3,200 illegal NYC rentals, according to Skift.

http://skift.com/2013/01/07/airbnbs-growing-pains-mirrored-in-new-york-city-where-half-its-listings-are-illegal-rentals/

http://skift.com/2013/01/11/airbnb-responds-to-illegal-rentals-story-first-of-all-its-not-illegal-everywhere/

I find this confusing.  It sounds like you are saying that renting out an entire one-family home is legal on Airbnb:
Quote
So airbnb is legal in Jackson Heights IF:...
       * The building being rented out is a one or two-family home and thus does not fall under Class A mult dwellings.

but the first article you linked says:

The simplicity of this is easy to see using Airbnb’s search tool. Searching for a two-night rental over the weekend of January 18 in New York City you get a total of 6,176 options if you don’t specify room type, price, or any other options. If you click “Entire home/apt” there are 3,200 results, all of which are illegal under New York law.[/i
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: theplanesland on January 20, 2013, 09:19:48 PM
I discussed that with the Skift guy. It should read "almost all." The number of one and two family homes being rented out on AirBNB is tiny. Not zero, but tiny compared to the thousands of illegal apartments. As far as I've read the law, a building has to be a multiple dwelling for the law to apply here.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Shelby2 on January 20, 2013, 10:17:08 PM
I discussed that with the Skift guy. It should read "almost all." The number of one and two family homes being rented out on AirBNB is tiny. Not zero, but tiny compared to the thousands of illegal apartments. As far as I've read the law, a building has to be a multiple dwelling for the law to apply here.

Thanks for the explanation. 
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Shelby2 on January 20, 2013, 10:23:09 PM
The NY Times says: And that law says you cannot rent out single-family homes or apartments, or rooms in them, for less than 30 days unless you are living in the home at the same time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/your-money/a-warning-for-airbnb-hosts-who-may-be-breaking-the-law.html?pagewanted=all
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: The Heights on January 20, 2013, 11:26:59 PM
As has been pointed out on this thread and in others, the commercial rents in Jackson Heights, particularly on 37th Ave, are way too high.  This may be the single biggest factor preventing small, locally owned businesses from starting up. 

The real estate is privately owned and the owners have the right to charge (or try to charge) whatever the market will bear.  Having said that, there has to be some creative solutions we could explore as a community to work with landlords to encourage a better mix of retail on 37th.

I don't pretend to have the answers, but I wish there were a way to start that dialogue.  Who can provide leadership?  Council Member Dromm? 

I love that we have this forum on the web to discuss it, but how can we get the ball rolling in the "real world"?

Great point and I wish I knew how to start...I wish we could make 74 street train station pretty, bright and clean.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: dssjh on January 20, 2013, 11:32:43 PM
hmm.. it's actually one of the more light-filled, bright stations i've seen, other than the totally outdoor ones. pretty? no, it's not. but it's a darn sight better than most, in my opinion, and the retail is a nice touch, even if the places aren't all ones i would patronize.

what suggestions would you make as far as improving the brightness/look, just out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: daisy on January 21, 2013, 10:15:52 AM
I actually think the station is pretty nice too.  But recently, I tried to use one of the machines to purchase an unlimited with a credit card and absolutely none of them worked and the station attendant said it had been that way for months.  Not sure if it's fixed by now.  I'd get rid of the pigeon crap all over the outside - but that's a huge undertaking since the nests are all along the elevated train.  One spot I think they should really clean up is the entrance near the pedestrian plaza.  It's constantly littered with garbage and the homeless use it as a hangout as well.  It's pretty gross most of the time.

The actual station inside is pretty nice though.  And I do like Backwoods.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Shelby2 on January 21, 2013, 11:01:35 AM
I actually think the station is pretty nice too.  But recently, I tried to use one of the machines to purchase an unlimited with a credit card and absolutely none of them worked and the station attendant said it had been that way for months.  Not sure if it's fixed by now.  I'd get rid of the pigeon crap all over the outside - but that's a huge undertaking since the nests are all along the elevated train.  One spot I think they should really clean up is the entrance near the pedestrian plaza.  It's constantly littered with garbage and the homeless use it as a hangout as well.  It's pretty gross most of the time.

The actual station inside is pretty nice though.  And I do like Backwoods.

I had heard at some point that the entrance by the pedestrian plaza was privately owned, and therefore not maintained by the MTA.  I know there are a number of privately owned escalators and elevators in the MTA system, and there have been significant problems with maintenance of those (see this article on privately owned escalators in the subway)  (http://secondavenuesagas.com/2011/12/08/mta-ig-privately-owned-escalators-not-monitored-properly/).  I did a quick search and couldn't find out anything about privately owned staircases but I imagine the info is out there somewhere.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: fodoherty on January 21, 2013, 12:00:54 PM
JHBG -- Jackson Heights Beautification Group has been working for the last 25 years to make JH a better, safer and cleaner place to live.

JHBG now takes care of  4 public garden spaces in JH (in front of the JH Post Office, 37th Ave at the BQE, along the east side of the BQE and 34th Ave and Junction Blvd), we plant flowers in the tree pits along 37th Avenue each spring.  This fall JHBG planted thousands of daffodil bulbs along 34th Avenue, in the school yards on 34th Avenue and along the eastside of the BQE.  A group of volunteers works to keep our street trees healthy, by removing bricks, adding mulch and pruning. JHBG just opened a new composting center this fall and collects on the weekends at the 78th Street Play Street. (JH SCRAPS)
 
JHBG established a large and small dog run at the BQE at 35th Avenue. (JH CREW). 
 
JHBG removes graffiti all around Jackson Heights.
 
JHBG normally holds an annual  Halloween parade if there are no super storms to interfere.
 
JHBG helps run the 78th Street Play Street with JH Green Alliance bring the Police Athletic League, PAL, last summer and the Summer Sunday Concerts for the last 10 years.
 
JHBG does an annual tree lighting at the Post Office where children sing and the tree is lighted.
 
JHBG co-hosts Principal's night at 82nd Street Academics every January to help parents understand the public school options in the area.
 
JHBG hosts Community forums when issues arise such as to start the Play Street and to insist that the city buy the lot from Garden school to expand Travers Park.
 
JHBG has a group that work with the parks department to improve Travers Park.
 
JHBG advocates for the community about how the neighborhood looks.  JHBG established and are pushing to expand the JH Historic District.  JHBG files complaints with the building department about sign violations.  After the fire along 37th Avenue, JHBG attending all the meetings regarding the planning of the new apartment building and made written submission seeking changes that were granted.
 
Each spring, JHBG runs  an annual JH Historic Tour and lectures about the history of Jackson Heights.
 
JHBG has launched the Jackson Heights Orchestra --which will have 2 upcoming Spring concerts.
 
We run a web site full of community information.  We publish a newsletter full of community information.
 
We attend public meetings about school re-zoning, transportation changes and city planning to watch out for the interests of Jackson Heights.
I am not saying JHBG is perfect, but we are active.  What I think JHBG does best is offer guidance, support and financial backing to individuals in the community who want to start a community project.  So we have a group of people who love to gardens, love dogs, love compost, love classical music and JHBG helps them turn their dreams of a better neighborhood into reality.
We have no paid staff. We are all volunteer organization.  We would love to have more people volunteer and to support new projects.  We are a dynamic organization that changes as Jackson Heights changes, which is why I was upset at the post below.

Check us out at www.JHBG.org

Nuala
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: The Heights on January 24, 2013, 10:08:25 PM
One of my friend who owns successful bar in midtown Manhattan and another bar in Williamsburg....So I suggested him to expand his  business to Jackson Heights. I was surprise that he took my suggestion very seriously and he did some feasibility study and after doing his study he found out that rents are too High on 37 ave ( vacant corner store on 76 street and 37 ave is going for almost $10,000 per month) and he found out that most of the middle class residence prefer to spend their social time in the city and they prefer to shop in the city.  That means less volume and high rents. 
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: dna on January 25, 2013, 08:27:50 AM
The whole equation doesn't make sense to me.  Low volume (and low margin stores) should not equal high rents.  I'm not questioning your friend's research - I just don't understand how such a market is sustainable.  If JH residential apartment rents were higher, people wouldn't rent the apartments and would live elsewhere in the city, creating vacancy and leading to lower residential rents.

On the other hand, 37th avenue doesn't appear to be low volume to my untrained eye and perhaps the dollar stores have a higher profit margin than I might guess.  I've never taken an economics class, but there must be a demand for the rents to remain high and there must be potential profit - at least for some types of stores - for there to be demand.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: daisy on January 25, 2013, 08:42:24 AM
he found out that most of the middle class residence prefer to spend their social time in the city and they prefer to shop in the city.  That means less volume and high rents. 

The ONLY reason I prefer to socialize elsewhere (Astoria or Manhattan)  or shop in the city (Queens Mall and Target Center and Kohl's mall, or Manhattan) is because there's hardly anywhere to go here.  If there was, I'd for sure spend my money there and I bet there's more than just me as a market. 

I see this largely as a problem with how high rents are.  And for no good reason.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: theplanesland on January 25, 2013, 09:53:30 AM
On the other hand, 37th avenue doesn't appear to be low volume to my untrained eye and perhaps the dollar stores have a higher profit margin than I might guess.  I've never taken an economics class, but there must be a demand for the rents to remain high and there must be potential profit - at least for some types of stores - for there to be demand.

I have frequently heard the rumor that the commercial rent on 37th Avenue, 73rd and 74th Streets depends on who's asking. For instance, if the person asking is of the same ethnic group as the landlord or knows the landlord's extended family, the rent becomes much lower. I'd love to see an investigative project take this question on.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: JIF on January 25, 2013, 10:09:58 AM
This is a rumor amongst business owners... I have heard the landlords in Jackson Heights are prepared to maintain empty unleased stores... rather than lower rents to attract a more diverse commercial mix.

This is because landlords are able to show a loss on their taxes...for that amount of rent... when a store is vacant.
And wait...with a vacant store...even years... until a business can afford to pay the high rent. (Like banks... etc)

It makes very little difference to landlords whether a store is leased or not...in Jackson Heights landlords own blocks of stores.  The tax deductions make up for loss in rent from an empty store.

Unfortunately...there appears to be a cartel of landlords in Jackson Heights.

This is why the commercial mix in Jackson Heights is not dynamic... compared with commercially forward-thinking areas of New York.   There is no other reason.  The market and population for more varied businesses are here.

So this is what Jackson Heights landlords are doing.

Other than bringing this to the attention of the IRS...though I believe it's legal, but very un-community minded... ... does anyone have an idea what can be done...?



 




 
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: theplanesland on January 25, 2013, 10:13:17 AM
It makes very little difference to landlords whether a store is leased or not...in Jackson Heights landlords own blocks of stores.  The tax deductions make up for loss in rent from an empty store.

I think this may be at the core of our problem: there are surprisingly few commercial landlords in the nabe, and they're clubby. How many are there? What blocks do they own? I'd love to see some public records.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: JIF on January 25, 2013, 10:44:34 AM
Hmmm.  Thinking.

One excellent success story in Jackson Heights...is the Farmer's Market on Sundays by Travis Park.

In Union Square, Manhattan...the Farmers' market operates 7 days a week.

If they can do that in Union Square...then why not here?

Perhaps we can instigate a 7 day a week Farmers' Market in Jackson Heights?

Now that would certainly create an alternate, diverse and more interesting permanent mix of shopping in the neighborhood.

And bypass the uncommunity-minded landlord problem entirely





 




Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: dssjh on January 25, 2013, 12:43:15 PM
Union Square is actually open four days a week, not seven.

And it's at a spot with a HUGE amount of foot traffic and office space, which makes weekday use more feasible. not many people find themselves walking down 34th avenue at 11 AM on a Wednesday.

I'd agree that it would be worthwhile to look into expanding to Saturdays, too, but we'd probably have to recruit different vendors, since they do tend to move around from market to market.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: JIF on January 25, 2013, 03:53:59 PM
Ideas are sparking today...

Another idea would be to convert that vacant Mandy's on Northern Bld/78th Street into a space for an indoor Farmer's  market etc...where all sorts of stalls could be set up...permanently...Artisanal/Food/Flea/Craft/Vintage/books/flowers... whatever.

Then that place would serve as a magnet for Jackson Heights folks...once it's established...a bustling atmosphere marketplace...much like they have in Europe...or like the Essex Street markets on the Lower Eastside...

Hey...that could be a viable business venture!





Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: dssjh on January 25, 2013, 04:42:57 PM
that is an intriguing idea....while that's a big space that probably carries a hefty price tag, rents on northern are significantly cheaper than on 37th or roosevelt, and providing a certificate of occupancy would allow for it, it would be cool to have a variety of things under one roof. not sure if actual cooking could go on on the premises, but still....it's interesting.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: The Heights on January 25, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
agreed, daisy, cleaner streets and less illegal activity are great things-- and our neighborhood has made great strides in both, as anyone who's lived here for any length of time can attest. not that we've achieved perfect scores, but it's a whole lot better than my first experiences around here in '82 or so.

and williamsburg? far, far, far dirtier than jackson heights as a rule, particularly when it comes to the public urination that my friends who live there say the patrons of those cool bars are responsible for. ditto the coke dealing, which is about the same there. yeah, i recognize i am honing in on that one neighborhood, but it seems to be the point of comparison for so many people seeking a new york ideal before moving to rockland county.

What a great idea? Time to open Artists and Flea in Northern Blvd...Awesome
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Matt on January 25, 2013, 06:52:33 PM
Ideas are sparking today...

Another idea would be to convert that vacant Mandy's on Northern Bld/78th Street into a space for an indoor Farmer's  market etc...where all sorts of stalls could be set up...permanently...Artisanal/Food/Flea/Craft/Vintage/books/flowers... whatever.

Then that place would serve as a magnet for Jackson Heights folks...once it's established...a bustling atmosphere marketplace...much like they have in Europe...or like the Essex Street markets on the Lower Eastside...

Hey...that could be a viable business venture!

I agree, this is a great idea! It could provide an opportunity for people to start a business in the neighborhood at a lower cost and it could serve as an incubator. If they are successful in the shared space, they may eventually set out on their own elsewhere in the neighborhood. I'm not sure how many stalls could be set up in this space, but I'm sure if the rent were divided amongst them it would be more reasonable than going out on ones own.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Di_11372 on January 27, 2013, 09:07:23 AM
"JHBG -- Jackson Heights Beautification Group has been working for the last 25 years to make JH a better, safer and cleaner place to live."

Thank you JHBG, for all the work you have done and are currently doing in our community.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Rhino on January 27, 2013, 03:23:53 PM
Thank You, JHBG. I could not imagine what this neighborhood would be like if it wasn't for all the down and dirty work you do.  You are greatly appreciated :) THANK YOU,THANK YOU
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: blueroom on January 27, 2013, 05:47:44 PM
Yes, thanks JHBG. You're amazing!

I'm grateful to see this topic thread and it makes not feel so alone to know that others out there are having the exact same issues I am. I am somewhat glad I moved to JH 4 years ago, and I LOVE my apartment and its proximity to the train, but I have days where I DEEPLY wish I was somewhere else for the exact reasons people enumerated:

-No gyms
-No decent brunch spots
-No restaurants serving healthy food (I spent an hour on Seamless and Grubhub the other night trying to find something worth eating for someone on a restricted diet and came up zero)
-No place to go for drinks with friends
-Mediocre grocery stores (for the person looking for decent meat, FreshDirect is the only option, or shop in Manhattan)

I don't expect any of this to change, and I'm working to try to accept JH for what it is. And I do appreciate the farmer's market. And I don't want this to be Williamsburg, but I would still like something better.

I bought my apt at the height of the market, so I'm kind of stuck here.

What's sad is that when it finally makes financial sense for me to leave, I will.

And that sucks because there is so much good here, as well as potential. But I'm doubtful that I'll ever really be more than moderately happy here at best. That really bums me out.

Do you folks who are also ambivalent think you'll stay for 5+ years, or do you see yourselves moving on?

Thanks for letting me vent!
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: ECG on January 27, 2013, 06:46:00 PM
As a second generation native, living with the 3rd & 4th generation, I'm not about to go anywhere.

Very happy to be here, extremely happy to have the JHBG and Green Alliance active. Thanks folks for all
your hard, tireless and good-humored work that have made the neighborhood a place to stay. And adding
to the green space. You rock!

As far as food and the rest goes, Fresh Direct, the Farmer's Market, FarmSpot? All terrific options and available
to the working folk and us retirees.

Meat eaters also have the option of Ottomanelli's in Woodside & 61st. Nice guys - prime meats.

I'm attractive and classy myself. Trendy? Not so much, but definitely an asset to the neighborhood.
 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :rockon:

Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: gsmayes on January 27, 2013, 09:42:34 PM
I guess I just don't get the hate for the grocery options here. I'm no gourmet, but I try to cook a couple times a week. I'm able to find everything I need between trade fair and the produce places on 37th at 77th and 78th. I don't usually shop at Met foods unless I can't find it at trade fair. I guess I just don't buy into the whole organic craze, which I think is mostly first world selfishness. I realize that to feed the close to 7 billion people on this planet, we need pesticides and genetically modified foods. I wouldn't do the bulk of my shopping at a whole foods type place even if it were in the neighborhood, because I think it's a waste of money.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: The Heights on January 27, 2013, 10:00:25 PM
Yes, thanks JHBG. You're amazing!

I'm grateful to see this topic thread and it makes not feel so alone to know that others out there are having the exact same issues I am. I am somewhat glad I moved to JH 4 years ago, and I LOVE my apartment and its proximity to the train, but I have days where I DEEPLY wish I was somewhere else for the exact reasons people enumerated:

-No gyms
-No decent brunch spots
-No restaurants serving healthy food (I spent an hour on Seamless and Grubhub the other night trying to find something worth eating for someone on a restricted diet and came up zero)


-No place to go for drinks with friends
-Mediocre grocery stores (for the person looking for decent meat, FreshDirect is the only option, or shop in Manhattan)

I don't expect any of this to change, and I'm working to try to accept JH for what it is. And I do appreciate the farmer's market. And I don't want this to be Williamsburg, but I would still like something better.

I bought my apt at the height of the market, so I'm kind of stuck here.

What's sad is that when it finally makes financial sense for me to leave, I will.

And that sucks because there is so much good here, as well as potential. But I'm doubtful that I'll ever really be more than moderately happy here at best. That really bums me out.

Do you folks who are also ambivalent think you'll stay for 5+ years, or do you see yourselves moving on?

Thanks for letting me vent!

 :rockon:
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: The Heights on January 27, 2013, 10:02:52 PM
"JHBG -- Jackson Heights Beautification Group has been working for the last 25 years to make JH a better, safer and cleaner place to live."

Thank you JHBG, for all the work you have done and are currently doing in our community.

 :rockon:
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: daisy on January 27, 2013, 10:21:19 PM


Do you folks who are also ambivalent think you'll stay for 5+ years, or do you see yourselves moving on?


I only rent here but yes, unless I see things change sometime soon, I'm afraid I will likely move on.  I would love to buy here, but it's all the reasons you mentioned that make me less than enthusiastic to do so.  It's a lot of money to sink into something and I'd like to be more satisfied with the area.  All your points and sentiments are spot on.  So much to love and so much potential.  So frustrating.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: The Heights on January 27, 2013, 10:40:59 PM
So much to love and so much potential.  So frustrating.
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 :smitten: Absolutely correct
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: dssjh on January 28, 2013, 11:36:25 AM
sorry to see so many people disgruntled about the living conditions in jackson heights -- and wishing you all the best of luck in finding more pleasurable places. please do report back about finding similar value, quality of life and amenities in similar proximity to manhattan.

Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Jeffsayyes on January 28, 2013, 11:58:26 AM
I'm surprised to hear a complaint about our grocery stores. There's no Fairway or Whole Foods but there is a Trade Fair, Met Foods, Korean supermarket, Pacific supermarket, Apna Bazaar, Patel Brothers, and quite a few others no matter which direction you go. It's a reason why so many people love this area.

And as far as eating healthy, there are lots of Indian and Nepalese places which are great for your health. I would skip the Colombian places though... I have no idea what's healthy there. oh wait, smoothies! it's either really healthy or unhealthy.

But as far as the subject matter.... All the area needs is one cool bar and it will all come. And we'll all complain about the people who don't appreciate the area for what it is, the snobbishness, and the high prices.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: theplanesland on January 28, 2013, 12:02:12 PM
So one thing about Blueroom's list is that it's kind of a stereotypical list of "things people without children like to do." And as we've discussed many times before, JH isn't much of a neighborhood for singles - it's VERY family oriented. I've found JH and Astoria to be in a very close symbiosis over the past decade, where people in Astoria tend to breed and then move to JH.

"No decent brunch spots" - What about Jax Inn? Decent food, nice big booths. Or the French toast at 77.
"No restaurants serving healthy food" - What do you mean by "healthy?" I don't really find any restaurant food healthy.
"No place for drinks" - Legends, Novo, Coyote, Natives come to mind.
Buying meat, etc? - isn't that what the Farmer's Market is all about? And it's the second biggest one in NYC.

I mean, Blueroom is defining a lifestyle where - and I'm not saying it's Blueroom's lifestyle, but it's being defined by this list - where you go out with friends a lot of nights, cook leisurely meals from exotic ingredients at home, and have time to indulge in things like fitness. That's not a lifestyle that most of my harried working-parent friends in JH have been able to live for at least five or ten years now. On other other hand, it's the lifestyle we had in Astoria ... before we had the kids.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Shelby2 on January 28, 2013, 12:29:48 PM
please do report back about finding similar value, quality of life and amenities in similar proximity to manhattan.

I think this is one of the key issues.  Almost everyone in NY makes some sort of compromise when it comes to real estate.  There are certainly things I would love to have nearby (like a good gym) but when I look at any other neighborhood in NYC that has the same real estate prices as Jackson Heights, I find that there are other compromises that would have to be made.  For example, Bay Ridge has some nice spots for drinks, the water view and a New York Sports Club, but I don't think I would be interested in being so far from Manhattan.  Forest Hills also has similar amenities to Bay Ridge, but I find I significantly prefer the vibe and energy of Jackson Heights.

When I first moved here, I had a hard time grocery shopping because I was used to the specialty markets on 9th Avenue/40th St. (especially for fish).  I gradually became used to picking up a few things here or there on a daily basis in the many grocery spots on 37th Ave. and now I am used to it and can appreciate the good value and selection we have in the neighborhood.  And I also love the options at the farmer's market.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Liz on January 28, 2013, 02:54:42 PM
I agree - Jackson Heights has a lot going for it. I've lived in a many neighborhoods in NYC, and it's always a compromise. The restaurants and food stores in JH are great.  Remember - there's no such thing as a LITTLE gentrification.  I think alot of us will be complaining when JH does gentrify.  In the mean time try to spend as much of your money locally that you can - that's what is going to attract new businesses into the area.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: blueroom on January 28, 2013, 08:44:46 PM
So one thing about Blueroom's list is that it's kind of a stereotypical list of "things people without children like to do." And as we've discussed many times before, JH isn't much of a neighborhood for singles - it's VERY family oriented. I've found JH and Astoria to be in a very close symbiosis over the past decade, where people in Astoria tend to breed and then move to JH.

"No decent brunch spots" - What about Jax Inn? Decent food, nice big booths. Or the French toast at 77.
"No restaurants serving healthy food" - What do you mean by "healthy?" I don't really find any restaurant food healthy.
"No place for drinks" - Legends, Novo, Coyote, Natives come to mind.
Buying meat, etc? - isn't that what the Farmer's Market is all about? And it's the second biggest one in NYC.

I mean, Blueroom is defining a lifestyle where - and I'm not saying it's Blueroom's lifestyle, but it's being defined by this list - where you go out with friends a lot of nights, cook leisurely meals from exotic ingredients at home, and have time to indulge in things like fitness. That's not a lifestyle that most of my harried working-parent friends in JH have been able to live for at least five or ten years now. On other other hand, it's the lifestyle we had in Astoria ... before we had the kids.

Hi,
I'm not entirely sure what your final conclusion would be. Should people who don't have children move away from here? Do people who do have young children not want extra amenities? Do people with teenage children who have more time for themselves not want those things? Should the older adults move elsewhere or should they not want access to those things as well? I know several retired professional couples who live here who miss not having better amenities.

I think it's possible for a neighborhood to serve everyone's needs, especially as diverse a neighborhood as this. I don't think this is about being single versus having children--it's about having a neighborhood with reasonable amenities for all. A gym is not too much to ask for.

As for your suggestions, I appreciate them. I'm not keen on diners, but they're good once in a while. As for healthy food, what about something like Bareburger (I know, you'll tell me to move to Astoria). I do buy meat at the farmer's market, and the market is quite great. It's definitely one of the biggest shining stars of this neighborhood. As for those bars, I've been to a couple of them you mention, and I don't see me and female friends going there. I think finding bars here to occasionally go to with friends is a lot easier if you're a guy.

Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: ECG on January 28, 2013, 08:50:07 PM
"If you've been reading this forum since the beginning, you will know that this topic comes up with great regularity. A different topic title, but same stuff.

JH is what it is. The changes will come gradually.

If anyone knows some investors who want to open a pub, restaurant, bookstore, wine bar, gym, social meeting center - and I almost forgot - movie theater, then bring them over to check out JH. If you know someone like Julie and Afzal of E77, have them talk to them. Their fine place was ground-breaking. Table Wine & Inner Peace were also examples of enterprising individuals who took a chance on 11372.

But don't bitch about what we don't have, thanks, but we've all heard it before."

Posted January 2nd.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Di_11372 on January 28, 2013, 08:50:53 PM
I am writing to 'Blueroom' hope to help you out a little.

 I want to share a few special places with you. My husband and I have been here for 6 yrs now, we are both professionals, have done a lot of traveling, have lived in Manhatten & Brookly. We adore speciality, ethnic foods . I understand your frustrations in JH, but there may be some places you have overlooked, and I highly recommend to venture to Northern Boulevard, it is worth the walk.

Good Quality cuts of meat: you must visit a Carniceria( Butcher store) South Americans are very particular about their meat, there are a few on 37th, one on a corner, On 90 or 91, Had one of the best skirt steaks ever, brought to a party in Shelter Island last yr, my husband grilled it, everyone raves, and still talks about that cut of meat!

Gourmet European Deli: The Polish Deli on 37 th avenue 80th, good european cheeses, cookies, jams, etc, etc.

Gourmet Spanish Food Store: Despana, 86-17 Northern blvd, I have to plead with my husband to stop going here sometimes! Offers an array of cheese and sausages from Spain, they carry many Spanish Olive Oils, and other unique spanish food & treats. Small place, They actually supply many of NYC's wine bars with their cheeses and jamons...They also have a store on Broome st.

Best Bar, lovely atmosphere, is Amaru,  84-13 Northern Blvd. Best time to visit is during the week, not crowded, but weekends it turns more in to a club after 10:00. Early on weekends is fine. Their specialty is Piscos, they actually make them using an Artisanal method, it is one of the best cocktails I have ever had. The also serve some nice h'orderves, good ceviche. Next store is a pretty new gourmet pizza restaurant Pagliaccio, delicious.

Best of luck, I hope you enjoy some of these suggestions:)
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: blueroom on January 28, 2013, 09:26:13 PM
I am writing to 'Blueroom' hope to help you out a little.

 I want to share a few special places with you. My husband and I have been here for 6 yrs now, we are both professionals, have done a lot of traveling, have lived in Manhatten & Brookly. We adore speciality, ethnic foods . I understand your frustrations in JH, but there may be some places you have overlooked, and I highly recommend to venture to Northern Boulevard, it is worth the walk.

Good Quality cuts of meat: you must visit a Carniceria( Butcher store) South Americans are very particular about their meat, there are a few on 37th, one on a corner, On 90 or 91, Had one of the best skirt steaks ever, brought to a party in Shelter Island last yr, my husband grilled it, everyone raves, and still talks about that cut of meat!

Gourmet European Deli: The Polish Deli on 37 th avenue 80th, good european cheeses, cookies, jams, etc, etc.

Gourmet Spanish Food Store: Despana, 86-17 Northern blvd, I have to plead with my husband to stop going here sometimes! Offers an array of cheese and sausages from Spain, they carry many Spanish Olive Oils, and other unique spanish food & treats. Small place, They actually supply many of NYC's wine bars with their cheeses and jamons...They also have a store on Broome st.

Best Bar, lovely atmosphere, is Amaru,  84-13 Northern Blvd. Best time to visit is during the week, not crowded, but weekends it turns more in to a club after 10:00. Early on weekends is fine. Their specialty is Piscos, they actually make them using an Artisanal method, it is one of the best cocktails I have ever had. The also serve some nice h'orderves, good ceviche. Next store is a pretty new gourmet pizza restaurant Pagliaccio, delicious.

Best of luck, I hope you enjoy some of these suggestions:)

hi there,
Thanks SO much for these suggestions. I look forward to trying them out! I really appreciate it. And you're right--I do think I've missed certain spots. It's hard to know where to go. VERY excited to check out the Spanish olive oils. I've never even heard of Amaru--I'll definitely go. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Dudley on January 29, 2013, 08:49:03 AM
There's also Terraza (http://www.terrazacafe.com/), which is a cool little bar on Gleane street, a tiny bit south of Roosevelt on 83rd street. It's a small bar, but it has a lot going for it:

- Very diverse crowd
- Several draft beers (!!!)
- Really eclectic and interesting lineup of events on most nights, ranging from movie screenings to poetry nights (1st Tuesday of every month) to a huge variety of really good bands playing all kinds of music
- A unique space, it has to be seen to be believed (that suspended stage...)

It's the kind of bar I would go to even if it wasn't just about the only place in our neighborhood with draft beer and a nice crowd.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: theplanesland on January 29, 2013, 10:52:26 AM
I'm not entirely sure what your final conclusion would be. Should people who don't have children move away from here?

Young singles interested in immediately accessible nightlife probably shouldn't move here in the first place. Different neighborhoods tend to cater to different kinds of people. For instance, I don't know a lot of families who live in Northside Williamsburg, LIC, or SoHo. These neighborhoods definitely all used to be more demographically diverse, but there's been a pretty aggressive sorting going on of the past 20 years between "play" neighborhoods full of bustling fun for 20-somethings and "family" neighborhoods with cheap groceries and decent schools. There are plenty of older people without kids in my building, but they live quieter lifestyles.

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I think it's possible for a neighborhood to serve everyone's needs, especially as diverse a neighborhood as this. I don't think this is about being single versus having children--it's about having a neighborhood with reasonable amenities for all. A gym is not too much to ask for.

But restaurants like Bareburger aren't "reasonable amenities." They're poncy hipster food for pretentious yuppies. They're very niche, a specific niche. Think of it as a kind of ethnic food. A gym, yes, that I'll give you, but one neighborhood can't fulfill every possible ethnic food niche. We do pretty well in JH, but that's why we live in NYC as a whole - because we can travel across the city and see *all* niches fulfilled. I like hipster burgers as much as anyone, but I'm happy to travel for them, much as I'm happy to travel for Persian or Ethiopian. Do all neighborhoods have to be hipster neighborhoods?

Gyms, on the other hand, I agree that everybody goes to gyms. Isn't there one on Northern, like, in the low 70s?

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As for those bars, I've been to a couple of them you mention, and I don't see me and female friends going there. I think finding bars here to occasionally go to with friends is a lot easier if you're a guy.

I am being genuine here, so don't dismiss: what is actually wrong with Novo in that vein? Or E77's evenings where they have beer and wine? Legends is definitely an old-school sports-watching bar, but a lot of the women I know tend to go to Novo. I also had forgotten about Amaru, another good idea.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: joopy86 on January 29, 2013, 11:27:59 AM
theplanesland, I think you are being unnecessarily judgmental and putting forth a very black and white viewpoint.  Most of us do not fit neatly into the categories of "single and wants to party hardy" and "has kids and content with cheap groceries."  I am in my 20s and born and raised in Queens and I moved to Jackson Heights because I love Queens, wanted to be close-ish to Astoria where I am from originally, and was attracted by the ability to live like an adult here instead of living the 'lifestyle' of 5 drunk roommates.  Also, as a minority myself I love how diverse it is.  I love all that it affords me and actually my immediate wishes for the neighborhood don't concern retail as much as it concerns a more respectful living space with residents that respect public areas and more crackdown on the illegal activity that takes place in our neighborhood like the street office furniture sales, ob/gyns that operate with 3 suspended licenses, illegally zoned businesses in residential spaces.  

That said, there is a huge difference between wishing for ONE centrally located bar/food place, like Sparrow in Astoria on 37 ave than turning this place into 20something Vomit City like WBurg.  Last I checked Sparrow has not spawned a thousand little "Sparrows" and it has not put the beer garden in Astoria out of business nor pushed the Chinese take out and pizza places that have been on 24th avenue forever.  It is simply a nice place for people to hang out, from parents with strollers and Greek teenagers to the big actor community that lives there.  Anyway, my most immediate desire isn't even for a cafe or whatever.  I even think our grocery stores are great and I only wish there were a greek-style butcher/fish monger as I don't eat beef but love lamb and fish.  The farmer's market meat is good but as you know it is VERY pricy. I'd like to have a good medium between the super pricy organic meats and the factory assembly stuff you see at the supermarket.  

Also, for the record, Novo is okay but but unexpectedly on some night turns into a reggaeton club.  Which for a woman that goes in when its quiet enjoying a glass of wine it's a bit weird.
 
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: theplanesland on January 29, 2013, 12:35:38 PM
My immediate wishes for the neighborhood don't concern retail as much as it concerns a more respectful living space with residents that respect public areas and more crackdown on the illegal activity that takes place in our neighborhood like the street office furniture sales, ob/gyns that operate with 3 suspended licenses, illegally zoned businesses in residential spaces.  

I agree 100%. I agree 1000%. I've been calling 311, writing Danny Dromm's office, et al for years about things like the illegal awnings and signs, when the meat market on 73rd was dumping meat in the street, etc. There's no conflict between having a diverse, bustling neighborhood and an orderly one.

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Also, for the record, Novo is okay but but unexpectedly on some night turns into a reggaeton club.  Which for a woman that goes in when its quiet enjoying a glass of wine it's a bit weird.

That is really weird. I guess they decided that they can't sustain a 7-day business of people coming in for the bar ...
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: daisy on January 30, 2013, 09:51:36 AM
Novo turns into a club usually about once a weeknight and on the weekends.  It's about the only place open after 10pm on 37th Avenue though when walking home from the train on that particular stretch of avenue. 

Just wanted to pipe in and thank those of you who made some great suggestions..  We're a very diverse group of people here and this board reflects that.  I don't think a real gym, less crime, clean streets, and a few more places to go to with friends after 10pm  that aren't strip clubs and caberet joints is too much to ask for,  lol.  Believe me, I do very much appreciate what we do have.  Thanks to those with suggestions - they've been great!
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Run2020 on January 31, 2013, 10:00:17 AM
Hey People,
I was talking to a couple of officers on 37th about moving into a coop near Roosevelt. They gave me a discouraging "I wouldn't not recommend it" (foot patrol officer), while officers in a vehicle told me they wouldn't recommend it, and there is high crime in the area.  Since we are the eyes and ears of the neighborhood and many of us look like to be from different generations and living in the area for years , what kind of crime do we see or hear about? Curious...

Do we all feel safe during the day? Night?

Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: dssjh on January 31, 2013, 10:41:21 AM
here's a site with precinct by precinct stats, with JH being the 115th
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/crime_prevention/crime_statistics.shtml

i feel totally safe coming home -- i live on 35th at 77th and walk from the roosevelt station at all hours (well, post 2 AM, i usually take a cab, more from being tired) and don't see any problems.

i don't spend a lot of time on roosevelt at night, but during daytime walks, it's fine -- although the guys trying to sell fake social security cards do get annoying. stretches of the avenue itself in the mid to upper 90s can be sketchy, but i'm guessing youre not talking that far up?

in my experience, in every new york neighborhood i've lived in -- Jackson Heights, Astoria, Greenpoint, Lower East Side, Flatbush and Bed-Stuy -- cops have antipathy for the place. some of that is understandable; they spend FAR more time with the negative elements of society than with the average resident.

unfortunately, many of them also genuinely dislike the city -- which is why so few of them live in it, and fight so hard to make sure they don't have to. some are racist, some just naturally gravitate to suburban life -- which i've never experienced, as a city dweller since birth.

but i'd say there should be no issues.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Run2020 on January 31, 2013, 11:47:58 AM
I think day time is completely fine. As discussed on this topic of attractive/ classy, etc. it still has some way to go but I love the best of both worlds.  Night time though I'm skeptical about since some of the bars on Roosevelt attract a few unsavory characters.  We were looking at a coop on 80th and 37th.

I agree completely with many cops having antipathy for the places since they do spend Far more time with the negative elements.  And of course many are out of touch with any type of neighborhood like JH in comparison to where they are from.  Crime has reduced and NYC in general has improved in almost all aspects of standard of life since 20 years back, but Im still indecisive!
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: joopy86 on January 31, 2013, 03:16:11 PM
I think dssjh hit the nail on the head.  Cops tend be a certain 'type' and as being that they deal primarily with the underbelly of any given neighborhood they patrol in most of them won't have many positive things to say about any neighborhood of NYC unless it is VERY high income and homogeneous, such as the UES/UWS or Tribeca.  I went to the big pride parade 2 years ago and literally witnessed a cop weeping in the corner and hiding in a nail salon because he was so upset by the 'displays' going on outside. <eye roll>

So, on the Jackson Heights fan spectrum I'm pretty even keeled, I appreciate the neighborhood and I also see that it has some problems.  BUT I will say (and I hope I don't regret saying this and get jumped tonight) that the majority of the crime seems to be insular - if you aren't a South American gang member or the owner of a South Asian brothel (which apparently is a big issue in the neighborhood - a friend getting her public health masters @ Columbia recently did a project on this very subject in JH), then you have nothing to worry about.  It sucks because we do SEE it and we feel the seediness, but we're not of that world.

Having lived in NYC all my life and being an Astoria native I am actually pretty ashamed to admit that the amount of petty crime in Astoria seems to be substantially greater than the amount of petty crime in Jackson Heights.  Now, that COULD be because my parents own a house, but we've been subject to break in attempts, as a child I've gotten my bike stolen several times, friends have had their cars broken into, during the hurricane someone broke into my parents garage and siphoned gas from my dad's SUV, etc.  And we own in a very very nice part of Astoria - the Ditmars proper area where home owners have beautiful well kept front yards and nice bay windows and very tidy rows of houses (not apartments) within blocks of the Q train.  This past year, I've had 3 friends in Brooklyn who had their apts broken into (Park Slope, Carroll Gardens, and Bushwick) and I had 2 friends get mugged (Washington Heights, Harlem). In a way, I think Jackson Height's lack of substantial income disparity insulates it from the type of crime that you as a middle-income person would be subjected to.  Unlike those areas in BK and even Astoria, JH is not a gentrified pocket surrounded by very poor projects.

Asides from that, as a young woman, while I don't feel immediate danger there is a substantial lonely male immigrant population here that lends itself to annoying catcalls and creepy stares.  I got followed home once but luckily the brightly lit 24 hour Trade Fair is a good safe zone near my apt to duck into. I never walk on Roosevelt and avoid it like the plague - I even strategically pick an exit on the 74th street stop that deposits me right on 74 away from Roosevelt to get on the train.
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Post by: daisy on January 31, 2013, 03:19:54 PM
I'll be straight with you.  As a female, I don't feel safe walking home alone along any stretch of Roosevelt late at night, especially weekends.   There's a reason we've got a lot of police paddy wagons in the area at night.  I also don't love the desolate walk home on 37th Avenue - most places close at 10pm so your walk home is super quiet.  Drunk dudes have followed me home twice.  (My boyfriend gets hit on as well so this is not strictly a girl thing.)  That being said, this happens in Manhattan too and in Astoria.  I don't think Jackson Heights is unique in this regard, but I will say it's the Amsterdam of New York - plenty of underground or plain out in the open prostitution, strip clubs, caberet clubs, sports bars, etc. This is I'm sure what the police deal with every night.  And then, like Amsterdam, you go down one avenue and it's beautiful.  Landscaped gardens, amazing architecture.  Night and day.  Do I feel unsafe?  Well - if you tend to just avoid Roosevelt late nights - then the area is fine.  I live on the block you've mentioned and it's quite nice here.  Just get off the train and walk away from Roosevelt.  
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Post by: theplanesland on January 31, 2013, 04:17:40 PM
Streets under an El are crappy. Els make streets much less pleasant. Queens Boulevard in Sunnyside escapes because QB is so darn wide that the El doesn't shade it and cover it with bird poop, but Roosevelt Avenue is basically doomed by the 7, 31st Street is the least pleasant street in Astoria, and for that matter the avenues covered by Els in Brooklyn (unless they're super-wide) aren't lovely places to be either.

But as others have said just above, the El effect never seems to spread to the surrounding neighborhood. I find this in Jackson Heights: Roosevelt Avenue is icky, pretty much perpetually in shade, noisy and guano-covered, and then even a building or two north everything's much better. It's very limited to that one avenue.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Colombia on February 04, 2013, 12:39:06 AM
Guys are you enjoying seeing the plywood door at the train station. I finally see some big progress I think it's better than grand central doors...I'm enjoying the bird dropping from that beautiful glass canopy...I'm proud to be living in Jacko Heights.
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Post by: The Heights on February 10, 2013, 07:45:58 PM
Guys are you enjoying seeing the plywood door at the train station. I finally see some big progress I think it's better than grand central doors...I'm enjoying the bird dropping from that beautiful glass canopy...I'm proud to be living in Jacko Heights.

Move to Forest Hills Mr. Colombia if you think Jackson Heights is Dirty... I personally think Jackson Heights is changing gradually and it's getting better, cleaner and greener.... I love walking on 37 Ave. ( between 75 street to 80 Street).
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Post by: I live here too on February 11, 2013, 10:52:16 AM
I can understand Mr. Columbia's frustration. There are neighborhoods surrounding JH (of the same socioeconomic makeup) that are much cleaner than JH, (in my opinion) and JH should be much cleaner.  I wonder why Astoria, Sunnyside, Woodside manage but we do not. I wonder sometimes if JH is not as nice as it should be because of some kind of malign neglect.

Telling someone to "move" because of a criticism is ridiculous. I'm glad you enjoy 37th Ave, I live on it, and I need to watch my dog every second because of the food waste all over the sidewalk. Every day.
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Post by: lifeofpi on February 11, 2013, 12:42:54 PM
If you don't live in Forest Hills Gardens in Forest Hills , then Forest Hills may not be as good as you think. If You don't live in Jackson Heights Historic District , then you may not know how beautiful Jackson Heights is. Jackson Heights is huge. Which part of Jackson Heights are we talking about now?
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Post by: Colombia on February 11, 2013, 08:36:12 PM
If you don't live in Forest Hills Gardens in Forest Hills , then Forest Hills may not be as good as you think. If You don't live in Jackson Heights Historic District , then you may not know how beautiful Jackson Heights is. Jackson Heights is huge. Which part of Jackson Heights are we talking about now?

Only handfull of buildings are maintained in this area ..the landmark  building next to the park looks like projects or Section 9 ....Most of immigrant living in Jackon Heights don't even know the meaning of historic district...keep in mind immigrant migrated 100 years ago where different than now.....spitting on the sidewalk, throughing garbage on the sidewalk is very common thing in South America, South Asia and Africa. Jackon Heights will always stay dirty due to major diversity from developing nations.   
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Post by: dssjh on February 11, 2013, 08:49:32 PM
hoping you are right, Colombia....that will keep the wrong element from moving in and taking over.  :angel:
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Post by: ECG on February 11, 2013, 09:10:17 PM
This thread has long since lost any credibility.
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Post by: lifeofpi on February 11, 2013, 10:09:21 PM
As we all know, the buildings around the park are NOT within Jackson Heights Historic District.   :)
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Post by: gsmayes on February 11, 2013, 10:14:45 PM
Since Colombia joined this forum he/she has done nothing but spew venom. You're welcome to leave anytime.
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Post by: JIF on February 11, 2013, 11:38:14 PM
Yesterday, a friend from Manhattan came to JH...he had never been here previously...and can't wait to come back.  We should remember that our diversity is what makes JH unique, fascinating and unlike anywhere else in NYC.  Actually, unlike anywhere else on the entire planet.  

I'm proud to be living here.  And the mix of everything is what I'm most proud of.  

Sure, some tired stores can...and might...smarten up their act..If they're good business people they'll realize that by putting a touch more effort into their stores...they'll reap the benefits...

And if they don't realize that...well, they're simply not good business folks...and eventually...will be out of business...And others, with more vision,  will take their place.

That's the way it works.  

And I for one, am excited to be here... to witness JH continue its onward march... towards our bright future.
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Post by: ECG on February 12, 2013, 12:29:14 AM
JIF! Thanks for the positive posting and welcome to you and your friends. :rockon:
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Post by: bellabella on February 12, 2013, 08:06:00 PM
Before you start complaining you should learn how to spell!!!!!! Oh and what is Section 9???? :tickedoff:
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Post by: ECG on February 12, 2013, 08:53:54 PM
Isn't Section 9 what the guy in M*A*S*H* was trying to use as an excuse for getting out of the Army?
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Post by: Shelby2 on February 12, 2013, 10:06:15 PM
Isn't Section 9 what the guy in M*A*S*H* was trying to use as an excuse for getting out of the Army?

Corporal Klinger was trying to get a Section 8!
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Post by: ECG on February 12, 2013, 10:31:30 PM
Close, so close. :laugh:
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: sl on February 16, 2013, 04:01:11 PM
Yes, some parts of JH are quite dirty. I'm glad to be living in Bayside now. Not hateing, just my opinion.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Colombia on February 20, 2013, 08:37:00 PM
Yes, some parts of JH are quite dirty. I'm glad to be living in Bayside now. Not hateing, just my opinion.

Thank you for the honest answer.....most of the parts are quite dirty.  I'm glad u moved to Bayside...I'm moving next week to Forest Hills. 
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Post by: sl on February 20, 2013, 08:43:39 PM
Yes, some parts of JH are quite dirty. I'm glad to be living in Bayside now. Not hateing, just my opinion.

Thank you for the honest answer.....most of the parts are quite dirty.  I'm glad u moved to Bayside...I'm moving next week to Forest Hills.

Forest hills is very nice. Lived there for 2 years. It's expensive to live there now.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Colombia on February 21, 2013, 09:01:50 PM
Yes, some parts of JH are quite dirty. I'm glad to be living in Bayside now. Not hateing, just my opinion.

Thank you for the honest answer.....most of the parts are quite dirty.  I'm glad u moved to Bayside...I'm moving next week to Forest Hills.

Forest hills is very nice. Lived there for 2 years. It's expensive to live there now.

Thats true its beautiful...I will be paying $10 more per month to live and rent in Forest Hills. I personally think its clean,maybe safer than JH ...  At the moment, I feel like I'm paying more in JH and getting less facility ...no good gym, no green space, to many illegal activities at Rosé, outside the train station it's dark late nights and crapy stores
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Post by: dssjh on February 21, 2013, 11:18:32 PM
Bye. Please don't stay in touch.  :)
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: The Heights on March 02, 2013, 06:38:15 PM
I would love to see some more positive suggestion on this subject. thank god Colombia is gone to different city. 
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Post by: homeowner on March 03, 2013, 10:02:51 AM
Support for the fledgling Jackson Heights Orchestra could go a long way!  Show your support by attending the concert on March 13.  See other thread for more details.
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Post by: sl on May 22, 2013, 10:43:55 PM
I would love to see some more positive suggestion on this subject. thank god Colombia is gone to different city.

Well, Forest Hills is not a different city.
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Post by: dssjh on May 22, 2013, 10:58:52 PM
to people like 'colombia,' it is.

and, thankfully, we seem to be free of that particular problem now.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Jeffsayyes on May 25, 2013, 08:45:48 AM
How do you make the area more trendy?
Stop going to Starbucks. Go to Alchemy BBQ. Alchemy is as trendy a food you can get in nyc right now and it's a shame that its not Packed every night. They are pretty much the only game in town for this type of scene. Also it's excellent at times, and when it's not that's because they aren't getting enough business and the food is getting dry. The more popular they are, the better they will get. For everyone complaining that the area isn't trendy enough, put you money where your type is.
I have no clue their financial situation, but if JH does not pack the place regularly, why would any other progressive,trendy restaurant open up here?

It's a real shame. I was there Thursday night, it was tepidly half full. Passed by Starbucks afterward and it was hopping. Why would anyone open up here if the local businesses aren't emphatically supported? You have been asking for this for a long time and its here. If there isn't an overflow of business, there won't be another one. All of your friends are interested in Jackson heights, invite them over. This area is totally a destination. No one is going to move here because of a Starbucks. If the area doesn't support a local, excellent business like this, there won't be any more.

Right now, the Himalayan places are thriving and growing in number.  Why? Take a peek into Phayul,it's packed. Friends Cafe opened 2 weeks ago, it's packed. Put your patronage in the local economy, don't even consider Starbucks.
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Post by: dssjh on May 25, 2013, 11:32:32 AM
beautifully said, Jeff:

i think we're dealing with a classic case of perception versus reality here. alchemy is on the front line of the biggest food trend in new york right now, and the tastemakers love it. it IS trendy, but it doesn't LOOK trendy, so people can't believe that.

the same is true for the himalayan spots in a lot of ways. i have friends in other boroughs who make special plans to come out to eat at phayul or zomsa because they've heard suc good things in roundups about the rising trend of nepalese/tibetan eating. a trend, but what i often hear locally is "oh no, another one of those?"

some people have this frozen, hipster Norman Rockwell image of what trendy is. but by the time that image is set, it's no longer trendy, it's passe, and the new trend is brewing.

and, for what it's worth, i've never been inside that starbucks. i've only been in starbucks three times in my life, twice on the NJ turnpike.
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Post by: eddie on May 25, 2013, 01:59:54 PM
How do you make the area more trendy?
Stop going to Starbucks. Go to Alchemy BBQ. Alchemy is as trendy a food you can get in nyc right now and it's a shame that its not Packed every night. They are pretty much the only game in town for this type of scene. Also it's excellent at times, and when it's not that's because they aren't getting enough business and the food is getting dry. The more popular they are, the better they will get. For everyone complaining that the area isn't trendy enough, put you money where your type is.
I have no clue their financial situation, but if JH does not pack the place regularly, why would any other progressive,trendy restaurant open up here?

It's a real shame. I was there Thursday night, it was tepidly half full. Passed by Starbucks afterward and it was hopping. Why would anyone open up here if the local businesses aren't emphatically supported? You have been asking for this for a long time and its here. If there isn't an overflow of business, there won't be another one. All of your friends are interested in Jackson heights, invite them over. This area is totally a destination. No one is going to move here because of a Starbucks. If the area doesn't support a local, excellent business like this, there won't be any more.

Right now, the Himalayan places are thriving and growing in number.  Why? Take a peek into Phayul,it's packed. Friends Cafe opened 2 weeks ago, it's packed. Put your patronage in the local economy, don't even consider Starbucks.

it's a confusing place right now, I went once at around 5pm and they weren't selling BBQ yet, and they only sell by the pound?

are they planning on having "meals" so to speak or do you have to go in and just buy lbs of meat?
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Jeffsayyes on May 25, 2013, 06:51:53 PM

are they planning on having "meals" so to speak or do you have to go in and just buy lbs of meat?

You buy by the pound - it's like a bbq "thing". You can order half a pound (maybe even a quarter lb), and also get a side ($3). a la carte. I think something like short rib is $16/lb, prime rib was $28/lb when I went.

and I think they open at 6pm, close at 10pm.
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Post by: Di_11372 on May 26, 2013, 08:10:58 AM
"some people have this frozen, hipster Norman Rockwell image of what trendy is. but by the time that image is set, it's no longer trendy, it's passe, and the new trend is brewing."

This attitude is so true for many people in nyc, I refer to them as  close minded/self-conscious types.

But we also cannot deny our neighborhood is a food destination, and has been for awhile, and that's a great thing; something to be proud of !



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Post by: Lilybell on May 28, 2013, 10:52:44 AM
I never thought I'd see "Normal Rockwell" and "trendy" in the same sentence! 
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Post by: theplanesland on May 28, 2013, 11:39:09 AM
it's a confusing place right now, I went once at around 5pm and they weren't selling BBQ yet, and they only sell by the pound?

are they planning on having "meals" so to speak or do you have to go in and just buy lbs of meat?

Part of being hipster and trendy is that people like us aren't supposed to understand how to order or when it's open. If you don't understand how to order, you're not supposed to understand how to order, capiche?
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Post by: dssjh on May 28, 2013, 02:32:48 PM
lol, planes:

actually, the 'by the pound' thing has been a tradition in texas forever, and the authentic places up north follow suit.

and being open for dinner only isn't that strange a practice, is it?
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Post by: ECG on May 28, 2013, 10:19:22 PM
You know Normal and Rockwell and Hipster and Trendy. 4 words to ponder at length.
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Post by: Chuckster on October 04, 2013, 11:03:19 AM
OK, so it won't be located in Jackson Heights, but nearby Long Island City.  The Daily News is reporting that a market similar to Chelsea Market is already in the works.  Apparently, the former warehouse, the Falchi Building, is owned by the people behind Chelsea Market, and is located near LaGuardia Community College.

Here's an excerpt mentioning one of the markets:

One of the flagship tenants in the new market will be Artisanal Premium Cheese, which buys and sells curds from all over the world. The company will have a shop and a restaurant in the new market and will expand its aging caves.

Old Long Island City warehouse will be reborn as a Chelsea Market clone (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/queens-chelsea-market-article-1.1475790#ixzz2gks6ag8L)
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Post by: Shelby2 on October 04, 2013, 11:41:38 AM
OK, so it won't be located in Jackson Heights, but nearby Long Island City.  The Daily News is reporting that a market similar to Chelsea Market is already in the works.  Apparently, the former warehouse, the Falchi Building, is owned by the people behind Chelsea Market, and is located near LaGuardia Community College.

Here's an excerpt mentioning one of the markets:

One of the flagship tenants in the new market will be Artisanal Premium Cheese, which buys and sells curds from all over the world. The company will have a shop and a restaurant in the new market and will expand its aging caves.

Old Long Island City warehouse will be reborn as a Chelsea Market clone (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/queens-chelsea-market-article-1.1475790#ixzz2gks6ag8L)

Great! Any idea when it's supposed to happen?
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Superclam on October 04, 2013, 12:03:16 PM
I work right across the street from here. I get my lunch in this building. There really are very few food choices around here. I hope this place with prompt a few more food vendors to come to the area. I wonder if there will be enough business from the office workers around here to sustain it; or if it'll become an actual destination. There is very little parking available during work hours, and the place is dead on the weekends.

They've been doing interior and exterior work on the building for the past month or so.
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Post by: Superclam on October 04, 2013, 12:04:43 PM
....
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Post by: Ed on October 04, 2013, 12:11:00 PM
I work right across the street from here. I get my lunch in this building. There really are very few food choices around here. I hope this place with prompt a few more food vendors to come to the area. I wonder if there will be enough business from the office workers around here to sustain it; or if it'll become an actual destination. There is very little parking available during work hours, and the place is dead on the weekends.

They've been doing interior and exterior work on the building for the past month or so.

Not that dead, we've been going to COFFEED for (you guessd it) coffee and lunch on Sundays, there's always a little crowd....
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Superclam on October 04, 2013, 12:17:54 PM
I work right across the street from here. I get my lunch in this building. There really are very few food choices around here. I hope this place with prompt a few more food vendors to come to the area. I wonder if there will be enough business from the office workers around here to sustain it; or if it'll become an actual destination. There is very little parking available during work hours, and the place is dead on the weekends.

They've been doing interior and exterior work on the building for the past month or so.

Not that dead, we've been going to COFFEED for (you guessd it) coffee and lunch on Sundays, there's always a little crowd....

Where's that? I'm not familiar.
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Post by: Superclam on October 04, 2013, 12:25:37 PM
Just googled. That's in a slight different, but nearby area. Still, there's a similar mix of industrial/office space. The neighborhood is definitely changing.
I'll be checking this new place out.
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Post by: Ed on October 04, 2013, 01:26:45 PM
Oh sorry. I thought you were talking about the Queens Market LIC
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Chuckster on October 07, 2013, 05:00:05 PM
OK, so it won't be located in Jackson Heights, but nearby Long Island City.  The Daily News is reporting that a market similar to Chelsea Market is already in the works.  Apparently, the former warehouse, the Falchi Building, is owned by the people behind Chelsea Market, and is located near LaGuardia Community College.

Here's an excerpt mentioning one of the markets:

One of the flagship tenants in the new market will be Artisanal Premium Cheese, which buys and sells curds from all over the world. The company will have a shop and a restaurant in the new market and will expand its aging caves.

Old Long Island City warehouse will be reborn as a Chelsea Market clone (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/queens-chelsea-market-article-1.1475790#ixzz2gks6ag8L)

Great! Any idea when it's supposed to happen?

I have yet to see an official opening date for the entire market, but an article from DNAinfo states that Artisanal Premium Cheese is expecting to open its shop around January.

Here's more:

Artisanal Cheese Shop Coming to Warehouse Owned By Chelsea Market Developer (http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20131004/long-island-city/artisanal-cheese-shop-coming-warehouse-owned-by-chelsea-market-developer)
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Hummingbird on October 07, 2013, 10:57:25 PM
"Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?"

I personally hope never...not the way some people define "attractive," anyway. It's already very attractive to me as it is, namely its diversity and its location. It's interesting what some people define as "classy" and "attractive." Does one mean less brown people and less working and middle class people?

In any case, every single neighborhood I've lived in on both coasts of the US that's gone the way of "trendy" has priced me and other folks in a similar income bracket, only to be replaced by the moneyed who just consume, rather than produce, and thereby drive up the prices. To be honest, that's how I ended up in JH from Brooklyn.

I feel very passionately about gentrification and what it does to neighborhoods and the residents living in it and generally, I tend it view it unfavorably. Yes, JH right now doesn't have every single thing imaginable, but the beauty of it is that I'm within walking distance of several neighborhoods that offers basically anything that I need and desire. For a few things, there's the subway to Manhattan. I'd much, much rather prefer it like this than JH becoming a concentration of "trendiness" that will have effectively pushed out the very people that have made JH what it is. The Village, SoHo, Tribeca, etc are all "trendy," but culturally, I find it really homogenous, boring, and pretentious in my more ungenerous moods. That's the thing about rich people--they come in with their money and kick out the very people who made those neighborhoods vibrant, vivacious, and trendy, and turn it into a bland wasteland full over overpriced restaurants with mediocre foods at best.

If one wants trendiness, "classy" (what a term, frankly), and attractiveness, one can always move to SoHo, Park Slope, whatever. One cannot have everything in one place, especially in an American urban city.
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Post by: Ed on October 08, 2013, 08:33:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wc7SG8mHWc
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Post by: I live here too on October 08, 2013, 09:36:45 AM
There are things that can be done that don't fall into the category of gentrification: noise, garbage, illegal housing etc. If we accomplished just those - JH would be a far more livable place. That's the bottom rung of what she should be aiming for though.

Whenver I hear about people talk about JH in these terms, I think of the "Lowered Expectations" skit from MadTV, and it makes me very frustrated and a little sick. I've lived in working class neighborhoods in Bronx, Manhattan and now Queens and I've never seen such denial. I have hope though that things will change, and maybe the world won't cave in for working and middle class people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3flv5nWZgII
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Post by: dotley on October 08, 2013, 09:44:19 AM
Well said.  I totally agree. 
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Post by: dssjh on October 08, 2013, 10:37:36 AM
There are things that can be done that don't fall into the category of gentrification: noise, garbage, illegal housing etc. If we accomplished just those - JH would be a far more livable place. That's the bottom rung of what she should be aiming for though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3flv5nWZgII

i don't think anyone is arguing against cleaner streets, targeting illegal housing or lowering nuisance crimes -- at least i hope not. i think Hummingbird was targeting the last word of the topic here: "trendy."

we've done this dance here for years. someone starts a discussion about how to change the neighborhood for the better. it morphs into discussions about how we need more micro-brews, bistros and maybe a Trader Joe's or two. someone objects to that and says that we don't need to become park slope.....and the circle of life continues.

i would be thrilled if we had better garbage pickup in the commercial districts (i pick up trash off the sidewalk on the side streets myself when my hands aren't full), commercial landlords who gave a flying fig about the neighborhood and a police precinct that got off its collective ass once in a while to deal with the social-security card dealers and petty criminals.

i would be less thrilled to see jackson heights lose its essential multi-ethnic, middle-working class character. i realize that the reason we have 99 cent stores/Desi gold stores/taco stands is that these are stores the people who live here want and need. as much as people like to say 'oh, we can strike a balance and have a little of everything,' it's never true. but jackson heights is a little different than williamsburg/bushwick or the LES of days of yore, in that people are a little more economically entrenched and harder to get rid of/scare off. thank goodness for that.

so let's try to concentrate on the things we agree on: cleaning up the streets, forcing landlords to do the right thing with housing and keeping a good sense of community intact.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: I live here too on October 08, 2013, 11:03:58 AM
so 99 cent stores are what the JH residents deserve and want?  We wouldn't prefer a decent housewares stores with higher quality merchandise than the toxic wasteland of the JH discount store? I'm not talking Gracious Home.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Hummingbird on October 08, 2013, 11:48:18 AM
There are things that can be done that don't fall into the category of gentrification: noise, garbage, illegal housing etc. If we accomplished just those - JH would be a far more livable place. That's the bottom rung of what she should be aiming for though.

Whenver I hear about people talk about JH in these terms, I think of the "Lowered Expectations" skit from MadTV, and it makes me very frustrated and a little sick. I've lived in working class neighborhoods in Bronx, Manhattan and now Queens and I've never seen such denial. I have hope though that things will change, and maybe the world won't cave in for working and middle class people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3flv5nWZgII

I believe I wrote absolutely nowhere in my post that since I'm against eventual wholesale gentrification of neighborhoods, I'm also against cleanliness, I have low standards of what a neighborhood should, and I just set the bar low.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: JIF on October 08, 2013, 11:56:26 AM
Reality check.

Jackson Heights is diverse.

Sure there are some middle class folks in and around the historic district...(and on this forum) but the vast majority who shop here are immigrant working class...(who are not on this forum. And probably can't express themselves fluently in English should they inadvertantly find themselves on this forum)...Open your eyes and look around...They seek bargains.

And businesses simply cater to their needs in order to turn a profit....(due the numbers). 

It's no more complicated than that.

I would say the number of folks living in the Historic District is what?  5,000?
But the number living around it, shopping here might number what? 70,000?

Businessmen are not fools.  They just cater to the largest market.

The 99 cent stores are always busy as far as I can see. And the most popular new restaurant that opened is a fast food fried chicken place on 37th Ave, from what I notice.

From a business angle, it's quite simple really.

Apart from that, I find the stores here very quirky...even if they are 99 cent stores...or fast food joints...they're not chains...and so each seems to have its own weird and distinct personality...From being followed to check I'm not stealing...in a Roosevelt Ave 99cent...with no please or thank yous....or even a word exchanged during the transaction at the till...to having pleasant conversations with one of the cashiers on 37th Ave...

So even in our 99 cent stores...we have diversity!   

Also, it does seem LIC will soon be our go-to location for artisanal cheeses and fancier shopping.  Thankfully it's close.





Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: I live here too on October 08, 2013, 12:21:31 PM
Reality check, my whole family is diverse.

Listen, don't lecture me, my family goes back to Corona since the Great Depression and my husband  is from the West Indies. He's black and Chinese, and I'm about five different things, including two different  religions

so don't talk to me about diversity. you're wasting your time.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: JIF on October 08, 2013, 12:22:54 PM
I meant JH is economically diverse. Not simply culturally.

Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: ECG on October 08, 2013, 02:06:11 PM
This thread is 11 pages long now, so it has definitely caught the attention of folks who have computers.

For fun (yes, a quirky kind of fun) I went back to page 1 and read the whole thing.

If you have the time, do a scan. The subject wanders every once and a while, but is very interesting reading.

From what I can tell, the landlords are not on here. Or if so, making no defense of the pricing.

Kudos to all who care about JH and are willing to get out there and do things that might not be classy or trendy,
but in the spring when all the bulbs planted bloom, we will look terrific!
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: GregNYC on October 09, 2013, 04:59:45 PM
The more subway lines and bus routes a neighborhood has, the more it attracts poor people. And, Jackson Heights has one of the most subway lines and bus routes of NYC.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: I live here too on October 09, 2013, 06:07:31 PM
Jackson Heights has historically been a subway hub, even in it's more affluent days. Indeed it was this fact that made it an attractive community to the upper and middle class community that founded it as a "Garden City."
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Dkaplan on October 09, 2013, 06:35:31 PM
The more subway lines and bus routes a neighborhood has, the more it attracts poor people. And, Jackson Heights has one of the most subway lines and bus routes of NYC.

Trolling much? Our public transportation is one of the things that makes this city great. I'm glad that all people have access to somewhat affordable transportation, but I'm sure your high horse is adequate enough transportation for you.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: I live here too on October 09, 2013, 07:05:28 PM
Look the guy voiced an opinion, even if it was awkwardly worded. i think he meant that lower income people would be attracted to an area where they could get to a lot of different places to work for a relatively small amount of money.

 It is true that lower income people have to rely on public transportation but middle income people do too. When I had no money I took the subway, now that things are better I'm still grateful. I don't think that the  number of subway lines is the reason we don't have more quality shops and restaurants. But eventually it could be one of the contributing factors as to how we'll get them. And historically it was the subways that opened up the area to real estate investors. There'd be no "Garden City" without the subway lines.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: dssjh on October 09, 2013, 09:07:53 PM
hey, he's got a point. hollis, flatlands and tottenville are new york's hottest neighborhoods.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: GregNYC on October 12, 2013, 07:08:52 AM
The more subway lines and bus routes a neighborhood has, the more it attracts poor people. And, Jackson Heights has one of the most subway lines and bus routes of NYC.

Trolling much? Our public transportation is one of the things that makes this city great. I'm glad that all people have access to somewhat affordable transportation, but I'm sure your high horse is adequate enough transportation for you.

How is trolling when it's true? Jamaica has even more public transportation, which attracts more poor people and is even more of an eyesore than Jackson Heights.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: JIF on October 12, 2013, 09:17:04 AM
GregNYC... Atlantic Avenue/Barclays Center in Brooklyn is an even bigger transport hub...and that's in Ft Greene... and surrounded by BAM and extremely expensive real estate...and folks who aren't poor...so your logic doesn't hold...
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: theplanesland on October 12, 2013, 06:21:13 PM
How is trolling when it's true? Jamaica has even more public transportation, which attracts more poor people and is even more of an eyesore than Jackson Heights.

Actually, the neighborhoods best served by public transit are all in Manhattan, and they're now all psychotically expensive. The Financial District? SoHo? The Union Square area? The Upper West Side? Are you kidding me?

In Brooklyn, the neighborhoods best served by public transit are also now all psychotically expensive. Carroll Gardens? Fort Greene? Park Slope? Yeah, that.

Jamaica has a gigantic, noisy, unsightly, uncovered rail yard, which is part of what keeps it cheap. That's very similar to how Fourth Avenue in Manhattan was a mess before the railway line there was covered over ... and it became Park Avenue.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Dkaplan on October 12, 2013, 11:45:31 PM
Exactly. I can't believe anyone would think access to public transportation is a bad thing for our neighborhhood.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: GregNYC on October 13, 2013, 04:18:13 PM
Just ignore all the homeless people who congregate at subway stations and sleep on trains.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: dssjh on October 13, 2013, 06:19:45 PM
that's why they invented florida.
Title: Re: Can we make Jackson Heights more attractive, classy and Trendy?
Post by: Dkaplan on October 13, 2013, 07:58:55 PM
Just ignore all the homeless people who congregate at subway stations and sleep on trains.

So the problem in that situation is the subway stations not homelessness?