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Title: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Chuckster on February 02, 2010, 01:09:04 PM
I found out earlier today (through the grapevine) that Jackson Heights' longest standing restaurant, The Cavalier on 37th Avenue may be closing its doors for good within the next few days.  A significant rent increase may be the cause.  That's a pretty large space, so the rent may be high to begin with.

Can anyone verify or know more about this?
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Shelby2 on February 02, 2010, 01:18:15 PM
I haven't heard anything, but that whole block will be empty pretty soon if this is true.  There's "Fashion Shoes" that's been empty for a few years and has graffiti on the glass.  Next to that is the butcher, and he is almost moved out of his space.  Then Cavalier.  I wonder what's going on, and if one landlord owns the whole block.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: eddiestjohns on February 02, 2010, 01:47:18 PM
Below is the official message from the restaurant.  I know the current owners and they are a lovely family.  It is very sad to see them go after 60 years at that location.  So many establishments I used to frequent are now closing - very sad.


To the loyal patrons of the Cavalier Restaurant:
 It is with sincere regret that we must announce the end of an era. Due to the greed and insensitivity of developers, realtors and landlords, the Cavalier will be forced to close its doors after 60 years.  This family operated institution has been an icon of the Jackson Heights community since 1950.  For thousands it has been the place where families gathered for support and comfort after the loss of a friend or family member; gathered to celebrate the birth of a child, the wedding of two loved ones or to recognize the rights of passage of a child into young adulthood.  It has been a gathering spot for families during holidays, a friendly and affordable stop for our seniors and a social spot where members of the Jackson Heights community came to relax and spend countless enjoyable hours talking, listening to live music and enjoying the diversity of our wonderful neighborhood. We would like to extend a final invitation to all of our loyal customers to pay their final respects, and offer a final opportunity to reminisce about what this neighborhood institution has meant to them.  Similarly it will give its owners a final chance to express their heartfelt gratitude for the many years of loyalty and support shown to us by our beloved patrons.   Please join us for our final farewell week before our doors close on Sunday February 7, 2010 which is Super Bowl Sunday. On Super Bowl we will have a free buffet at half time and a Coors Light Promotion from 6 to 8 pm for those who would like to watch the game with us on our final day! We hope to see all of you for one final opportunity to let you know how much you have meant to our family and to raise one final toast to the end of a Jackson Heights cultural institution. 

Sincerely, The Cavalier

Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: spartacus on February 02, 2010, 01:57:22 PM
I too, am very worried about this block.  Fashion Shoes is empty, the butcher is going, and Charles Unisex is gone.  I was told that Fermoselli was leaving.  And now the Cavalier.  This will make for a block of empty commercial space. And while I don't know for certain, I'd bet that the building is owned by a single party.

I'm not getting a very good vibe about this. 
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: madalyn on February 02, 2010, 04:02:59 PM
If they get everyone out, can they demolish the one-story buildings and put in something higher?
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: carrefour_ny on February 02, 2010, 04:19:00 PM
If they get everyone out, can they demolish the one-story buildings and put in something higher?

Madalyn, I do hope this is not the case. I'll see if I can find out anything about this. Jeez, this thought really upset me.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Shelby2 on February 02, 2010, 04:30:39 PM
The historic district extends to 88th St. on 37th Ave.
http://www.cb3qn.nyc.gov/?p=29789
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: El Coyote restaurant on February 02, 2010, 05:20:43 PM
I am afraid everyone is going out of business. I am New Restaurant.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: balducci on February 02, 2010, 06:00:29 PM
 Ironically my film LOVELY LILY that I showed last year this weekend at the Jewish Center is set at The Cavalier  in FEB 8th & 9th 1964  - 24 hours before the Beatles arrived in NYC - the owrner acts in it and a host of JH characters -

 the film might be shown as a tribute on Sunday afternoon before the Superbowl -
Very happy I was able to capture a bit of history.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: jonesripley on February 02, 2010, 06:02:03 PM
While I've only grabbed drinks there a few times since moving to the neighborhood. My wife and I love this place. A true rare time capsule. these kind of places are completely irreplaceable. Friendly staff and a truly unique atmosphere. Sad, sad. I'll be paying my respect this week.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: jonesripley on February 02, 2010, 06:02:40 PM
While I've only grabbed drinks there a few times since moving to the neighborhood. My wife and I love this place. A true rare time capsule. these kind of places are completely irreplaceable. Friendly staff and a truly unique atmosphere. Sad, sad. I'll be paying my respect this week.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: dssjh on February 02, 2010, 09:55:25 PM
this makes me so so sad. i first went to the cavalier when i first started looking for a place here -- 16 years or so now. i loved stopping in for a bloody mary on sundays or a martini some other times. took my mom there on a few easters and a few dear friends on thanksgivings when we didn't have places to go and every visit had a certain nugget of specialness.

it's as if every bit of history is being wiped away....sigh.

frankly, i hope the landlord loses every penny he or she has .... usurious thieves deserve karmic payback, and the sooner the better. here's to a decade's worth of vacant storefronts if that person continues to own the strip.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: liam0925 on February 02, 2010, 11:17:55 PM
Sad news.  I attended AARP's Holiday Luncheon there this past December and in the past enjoyed their jazz trio on weekends.  I'll definitely stop by for a drink and dinner. 
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Griswold Girl on February 03, 2010, 11:10:23 AM
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Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: earbears on February 03, 2010, 12:56:19 PM
The taxpayers that currently house the Cavilier are owned by a group whose owners are out of the country. I thought that Al from the Cavilier had owned some stock in the group's corportation. Obviously, this wasn't enought to prevent an outlandish increase in the rent.

It is unknow what the owners want to do with this property. However, there are legal standards regarding what kind of building is on that site. Can anyone find the regulations for this property - like can it be converted to a taller building or something like that?

I live clase by and am concerned about the future of the row of stores.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: spartacus on February 03, 2010, 01:10:56 PM
Does anyone know if the owners of the Cavalier would consider reopening in a new location?  The ugly reality is they would likely confront the same issue that forced them out of their existing location-- sky high rent.  But I was just wondering if they were considering their options or were just going to close up for good.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: julesnyc on February 03, 2010, 04:23:57 PM
That block is within the Historic District - here is some text from the Landmarks Commission website:

 
What does Landmark Designation Mean to Property Owners


My building has been designated a New York City landmark. What does this mean?

When it designated your building a landmark, the Landmarks Preservation Commission officially recognized that your building has special historical, cultural, or aesthetic value and that your building is an important part of New York City's historical and architectural heritage. To help protect the city's landmarks from inappropriate changes or destruction, the Commission must approve in advance any alteration, reconstruction, demolition, or new construction affecting the designated building.

What is a historic district?
A historic district is an area of the city that has been designated by the Landmarks Preservation Commission because it has a special character or a special historical or aesthetic interest which causes it to have a distinct "sense of place." Each historic district represents at least one period or style of architecture typical of one or more eras in the city's history. Historic districts may contain a variety of building types and styles from several different eras.

My building is located in a historic district. Do I need the Commission's approval to make changes?
Yes. Every designated structure, whether it is an individual landmark or a building in a historic district, is protected under the Landmarks Law and subject to the same review procedures. If you want to perform minor work or make alterations to your building (with the exception of the ordinary repairs and interior alterations mentioned below), you must obtain the Commission's approval before you begin the work.

Are there any types of work that do not require the Commission's approval?
Ordinary exterior repairs and maintenance, such as replacing broken window glass or removing small amounts of painted graffiti, do not require the Commission's approval. A Landmarks Commission permit for interior work is required in the following cases:

when the work requires a permit from the Buildings Department or,
when work on the interior affects the exterior or,
when the interior has been designated by the Landmarks Commission as an interior landmark
The Commission's Preservation Department staff can tell you whether a permit is needed for work you are considering.

As an owner of a landmarked building, what are my obligations and duties under the Landmarks Law?
In general, there are three things that you must do as an owner of landmarked property: (1) You must obtain prior approval from the Commission before you do any work on the building; (2) You must follow and abide by all permits and other conditions required by the Commission; and (3) You must maintain your building in good repair to ensure that the outside portions of the building (or designated interior spaces if there is an interior landmark) do not become deteriorated or dilapidated.

Will landmark designation prevent all alterations and new construction?
No. Landmark designation does not "freeze" a building or an area. Alterations, demolition, and new construction continue to take place, but the Landmarks Commission must review the proposed changes and find them to be appropriate. This procedure helps ensure that the special qualities of the designated buildings are not compromised or destroyed.

In addition, new construction may occur when an owner of a vacant lot or building of no significance in a historic district wishes to construct a new building on the site. The Commission has approved such proposals when the design of the new building was found to be appropriate to the character of the historic district.





 
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: earbears on February 03, 2010, 04:47:02 PM
I have requested several people to check into the status or plans for this property. This includes JHBG.

The according to Dan Karatitis of JHBG:

The owner of 85-15 37 Avenue block is
 
Eleanor Sussman Revocable Trust  Dated 8/17/04
Community Realty Corp.
42-08 Bell Blvd
Bayside, NY 11361-2862
718 229 8887

Ed Westley and Brian Pu-Folkes, among othere, will follow-up.
Will pick you posted.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Marlene on February 03, 2010, 09:01:20 PM
Hi,

Rumor has it that the increase has made the rent go up to $16K.  Is that possible?

Best,   :smiley6600:

Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: normelrod on February 03, 2010, 11:57:14 PM
I heard that the building containing the Cavalier and the other closed stores on the block was just sold. The new tenant is combining all the spaces for one tenant. I can't verify this; it's just what I heard. Does anyone have any more info?
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Chuckster on February 04, 2010, 12:19:30 AM
If anyone is interested in viewing existing real estate documentation involving The Cavalier, it may be viewed at the ACRIS Online City Register.  Block No. 1459, Lot No. 0035. 

I took a quick look at information posted at ACRIS, and so far there's no new data other than what was posted above by earbears.

ACRIS (http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/jump/acris.shtml)
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Jeffsayyes on February 04, 2010, 01:06:25 AM
all the spaces for one tenant??? oh nooo. it's gonna be walmart...
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Post by: Mike V on February 04, 2010, 08:19:10 AM
I was thinking Barnes & Noble.  Two years ago it was rumored they were opening on 82nd Street and instead Bank of America took the space. 
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Post by: Griswold Contessa on February 04, 2010, 09:53:34 AM
It would take a giant like Barnes and Nobles to pay for a space that size but would be surprised that they would choose a location which is so far off the beaten path.  Hopefully this is the case if so it would truly be a plus to the neighborhood. 

I was thinking Barnes & Noble.  Two years ago it was rumored they were opening on 82nd Street and instead Bank of America took the space. 
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: jadasie on February 04, 2010, 10:00:16 AM
I would sooner it remain vacant than become a Barnes & Nobles.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Griswold Contessa on February 04, 2010, 10:02:55 AM
Just curious in to why you feel this way?

I would sooner it remain vacant than become a Barnes & Nobles.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Jeffsayyes on February 04, 2010, 10:33:35 AM
I would only like barnes and nobles if that meant the places being kicked out were filling up the empty spaces on the other blocks, but I doubt that will be the case. B&N, the money does not go to our neighbors, most of the jobs won't pay rent. And we have a free bookstore on 81st street, you can order books from there, and it's better for the environment. All you gotta do is return them when your done reading them. You can even get dvds too. but if you really want a permanent copy, ebay or amazon is fine.

but you know me, I'm foodcentric and localcentric... I would rather the landlords starve and the guy down the hall from me was able to make his own little dominican dreamhouse eatery.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: ksorton on February 04, 2010, 11:09:45 AM
Does anyone know if the owners of the Cavalier would consider reopening in a new location?  The ugly reality is they would likely confront the same issue that forced them out of their existing location-- sky high rent.  But I was just wondering if they were considering their options or were just going to close up for good.

Talked to one of the waiter's last night and he said they are going to try and open another place in the neighborhood. Also if you go in there, they have a little book where you can leave your emails so they can contact you if they start up a new place.

Also last night they had a photographer there from the NY Time documenting the place and the patrons. Looks like they will be doing an article about it.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: jonesripley on February 04, 2010, 12:25:49 PM
a few things

Since the Cavalier is the oldest business in Jackson Heights (I believe), and very much entwined with the community that has been in the neighborhood for many years....is there any possible way of putting pressure on the landlords to not kick them out? Am I being naive? Letter writing, a demonstration? If this were a few years ago I wouldn't think there'd be a chance but in the current economic climate...it just seems like bad business to kick out a stable long time business (even if they aren't ridiculously profitable). I mean what are the odds that the new tenants are going to be able to make the absurd profits needed to pay the rent (unless they're a huge corporation)? Even so if shame and pressure were applied could they possibly make them rethink...at least lower their rent demands?

On the note about the Barnes and Noble...i too would rather see the spot empty. I know it seems rash, but let me explain. We live in one of the most unique neighborhoods in the world...a great variety of local businesses. With each Subway, Burger King, Bank of America....it's slowly chipped away. Where I grew up there was the coolest local bookstore. Very successful, great prices and size (kind of like Coliseum Books was). After Borders and Barnes and Noble came in they chipped away their business and a few years ago they finally closed. Are B&N and Borders evil? No. But the more we have of those places the more everything starts to look the same. And each time we lose something else that was unique and that catered to the local community. I didn't move to Queens to watch it slowly turn into the boring suburbs of my youth.

With that in mind...what can we do to fight for the Cavalier?
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: carrefour_ny on February 04, 2010, 12:52:05 PM
Someone in my building, a former LPC employee, tells me that he heard the owner of that space already has LPC permits issued for a residential bldg. I tried searching the permits and nothing comes up for this lot.

Now, if this is the case, we can hope that LPC will indeed approve something that will consider the special qualities of the neighborhood. However, I spent some time looking at the regulations for storefronts last night and according to those guidelines, half of the stores on the northern side of 37th ave are not in compliance b/c/o their use of neon lights, flashing lights, etc.

I'll see if I can find out more about this.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: jonesripley on February 04, 2010, 01:20:51 PM
So wait...is there not supposed to be neon signs there? Are you telling me that the coolest sign in the neighborhood (The Cavalier) and one of the best neon signs in all of NYC..is not "compliant" with landmark rules? That's hilarious.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Griswold Girl on February 04, 2010, 01:30:53 PM
I would think that the neon sign is older than the historical district designation i.e. grandfathered in. 
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: jonesripley on February 04, 2010, 02:24:16 PM
Yeah...I figured it was grandfathered in. What I found funny was that the landmark rules would have prevented this classic sign from being put up according to today's standards. Whatever they put in it's place will fit landmark guidelines and never be near as great to look at.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Griswold Girl on February 04, 2010, 02:40:20 PM
I was wondering if that is what you meant.  Yeah, landmarks prevents some good stuff happening for sure (but also a lot of bad stuff).
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Chuckster on February 04, 2010, 09:27:03 PM
The NY Times on The Cavalier:

The New York Times
Queens Is Losing Hangout It Has Loved Since 1950 (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/nyregion/05cavalier.html)
By FERNANDA SANTOS
Published: February 4, 2010

“Have you seen Colorado?” Rocco Ortiz asked the bartender at the Cavalier Restaurant and Lounge around lunchtime on Wednesday. The bartender promptly told him that the man known within the restaurant’s walls as Colorado does not come by on Wednesday afternoons because that is when he does his laundry.

Among the regulars at the Cavalier — and the place has amassed a sizable following since it opened its doors in 1950 in Jackson Heights, Queens — there is very little about personal lives and daily routines that is not shared. Marilyn Ortiz (no relation to Rocco) once showed up with a toothache, and a fellow patron suggested she take a swig of Bushmills, the Irish whiskey, and spit it out in a cup to numb the pain. When Jackie Hughes died last month, there was a party for her at the restaurant after the funeral.

The Cavalier is a throwback to an era when men and women donned hats and gloves along 37th Avenue. It is closing its doors for good on Sunday, but not because time has passed it by. To attract a younger crowd, it added flat-screen televisions, Wi-Fi access and satellite radio during renovations in July, although red linens and candles still adorn the tables.

The end came in much the same way it has come to scores of small businesses in gentrifying neighborhoods throughout the city: a new landlord arrived and charged rent so high that the owners simply could not hold on.

“We have no other choice,” said Alfonso Londoño, who bought the restaurant in the early 1970s and has run it with his wife and daughter since.

[Follow above link for complete article]
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Chuckster on February 05, 2010, 12:39:47 PM
In addition to publishing the Cavalier article on its website yesterday, today's NYTimes has added it to its City Room blog.  This opens the door to further commentary, and it's an opportunity to read what others outside of JHL will have to say on the subject.

Jackson Heights Loses Its Living Room (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/jackson-heights-loses-its-living-room/)
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing
Post by: IV1PSM on February 05, 2010, 07:25:47 PM
Hi Everyone,
I too am sad to also hear a long-time neighborhood establishment is closing.  On the positive side--nice to see this JH site mentioned-congrats!
http://newyork.grubstreet.com/2010/02/after_60_years_the_cavalier_wi.html?e=grubstreet--20100205
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: MarcusW on February 05, 2010, 07:38:52 PM
I wonder if we might get a nice 99¢ store in that location...if only the neighborhood had one of those...
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: sulvndnr on February 05, 2010, 08:43:36 PM
careful what you wish for....
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Really4rob on February 06, 2010, 12:53:23 AM
It is a shame that so many neighborhood mainstays are closing down ... I knew the Cavalier from the church men's club my dad used to belong to before he passed.

Is it just that the recession caused owners to sell the properties to new landlords?
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Breezie on February 07, 2010, 08:12:05 AM
I've heard that this block has been purchased by an Asian Conglomerate which hopes to build Condos...
either way
A walk up from 83rd street to 90th street shows multiple closings.  Let's not forget that FLAGSHIP Entertainment is closing it's doors as well within the week.  Any guess what will replace it?
What is becoming of Jackson Heights?
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Griswold Contessa on February 07, 2010, 08:54:32 AM
Well now hopefully we can get some decent Chinese take-out around here! LOL!!!!!!!  I am not sure if this Asian Conglomerate is Chinese but right now they are in the green while we're in the black in fact don't we owe them a couple trillion dollars?  Let's welcome our neighbors from the East and treat them well simply because we don't want to piss them off cause when you owe that much money to the "MAN" they own you and presently we are not in the position of paying them back!

 Check out this hilarious SNL skit on this very topic!

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/clips/china-cold-open/1178451/

P.S. - THIS POST IS MEANT TO BE TONGUE AND CHEEK........SO CHILL!!!!!



I've heard that this block has been purchased by an Asian Conglomerate which hopes to build Condos...
either way
A walk up from 83rd street to 90th street shows multiple closings.  Let's not forget that FLAGSHIP Entertainment is closing it's doors as well within the week.  Any guess what will replace it?
What is becoming of Jackson Heights?
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Breezie on February 07, 2010, 10:08:20 AM
Well now hopefully we can get some decent Chinese take-out around here! LOL!!!!!!!  I am not sure if this Asian Conglomerate is Chinese but right now they are in the green while we're in the black in fact don't we owe them a couple trillion dollars?  Let's welcome our neighbors from the East and treat them well simply because we don't want to piss them off cause when you owe that much money to the "MAN" they own you and presently we are not in the position of paying them back!

 Check out this hilarious SNL skit on this very topic!

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/clips/china-cold-open/1178451/

P.S. - THIS POST IS MEANT TO BE TONGUE AND CHEEK........SO CHILL!!!!!


I am not sure if this Asian Conglomerate is Chinese but right now they are in the green while we're in the black in fact don't we owe them a couple trillion dollars?


and didn't the US Government just pledge money to Haiti?   :)
????!!!


Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: buddy on February 07, 2010, 08:42:23 PM
I heard that the building containing the Cavalier and the other closed stores on the block was just sold. The new tenant is combining all the spaces for one tenant. I can't verify this; it's just what I heard. Does anyone have any more info?

The salon on the corner of that block, Charles, closed down also.  Same thing: rent going up too high.  Charles was run by Frank, who dies a few years ago.  Frank's sisters, in their 70s I think, both worked at Charles Hair Salon as shampoo "girls".  I loved going there.  Now they're all across the block renting space at Shear Success. 

I miss my old fashioned hair salon in addition to the Cavaliar.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Griswold Contessa on February 08, 2010, 08:00:15 AM
Rose I too passed by Charles to get a trim now and then and it truly was like stepping back in time.  I loved those cute, sassy shampoo "girls" who were always up on who died, who was in the hospital and who has a new grandbaby. One of my favorite things about Charles is the fact that it was devout of blaring music and not too much blah...blah...blah... It will be sorely missed!  :'(

quote author=buddy link=topic=4077.msg26829#msg26829 date=1265593343]
The salon on the corner of that block, Charles, closed down also.  Same thing: rent going up too high.  Charles was run by Frank, who dies a few years ago.  Frank's sisters, in their 70s I think, both worked at Charles Hair Salon as shampoo "girls".  I loved going there.  Now they're all across the block renting space at Shear Success.  

I miss my old fashioned hair salon in addition to the Cavaliar.
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Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: earbears on February 08, 2010, 08:19:19 AM
Rose I too passed by Charles to get a trim now and then and it truly was like stepping back in time.  I loved those cute, sassy shampoo "girls" who were always up on who died, who was in the hospital and who has a new grandbaby. One of my favorite things about Charles is the fact that it was devout of blaring music and not too much blah...blah...blah... It will be sorely missed!  :'(

You can at least still see Rosie, Maria and Mary in their space that they share with Sheer Success. It's not the same but at least they are still around. We have lost Al and the Caviler, the Bagel Cafe and the other stores. We lost part of our history.

Wonder what will now happen with this property. So many rumors. We need to keep the faith and the look of JH intact.  Landlords are in business to make money but there has to be reason and logic included. Empty stores are not good for business or quality of life for the residents
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Chuckster on February 08, 2010, 01:38:45 PM
NY1 video on its visit to The Cavalier:

Beloved Queens Restaurant Closes Its Doors After 60 Years (http://www.ny1.com/8-queens-news-content/top_stories/113347/beloved-queens-restaurant-closes-its-doors-after-60-years)
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: tballa on February 08, 2010, 03:26:59 PM
This is my first post so I don't want to sound too negative but landmark or not the food at this place was horrible. Have been there twice and it was the same results both times, good service, good drinks, very bland food. Not sad to see this place go.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Metsboy on February 08, 2010, 03:45:34 PM


 Friggin sad  to see another JH original gone. I went to the Cavalier my whole life., Communions, confirmations, graduations etc.. If  Jahn's goes that will almost everything in JH i grew up with gone. Change sucks
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: dssjh on February 08, 2010, 03:58:09 PM
and yankee stadium was a dump. i was still sad to see it torn down.

This is my first post so I don't want to sound too negative but landmark or not the food at this place was horrible. Have been there twice and it was the same results both times, good service, good drinks, very bland food. Not sad to see this place go.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: jonesripley on February 08, 2010, 04:05:26 PM
I don't think anyone went because it's food was amazing. It's what the joint provided for people. There was such a sense of community there. It was a social hub. Especially for all the old folks that hung out there. There aren't many places that cater to that crowd nor any new places that aim for the senior demographic. And for that it will be irreplaceable. I'll miss the Cavalier a lot but I'm sure not nearly as much as those regulars. I don't know where they'll go now.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Metsboy on February 08, 2010, 04:27:01 PM
I don't think anyone went because it's food was amazing. It's what the joint provided for people. There was such a sense of community there. It was a social hub. Especially for all the old folks that hung out there. There aren't many places that cater to that crowd nor any new places that aim for the senior demographic. And for that it will be irreplaceable. I'll miss the Cavalier a lot but I'm sure not nearly as much as those regulars. I don't know where they'll go now.

They'll have to go a place like Donovan's in Woodside . Otherwise , like you said they won't have a place to hang.  :tickedoff:
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: NYC Native on February 08, 2010, 10:48:43 PM
I don't think anyone went because it's food was amazing. It's what the joint provided for people. There was such a sense of community there. It was a social hub. Especially for all the old folks that hung out there. There aren't many places that cater to that crowd nor any new places that aim for the senior demographic. And for that it will be irreplaceable. I'll miss the Cavalier a lot but I'm sure not nearly as much as those regulars. I don't know where they'll go now.

I agree, it was NOT the food but the dozen or so times I went there it was always the same thing - good people - older folk with proud history and a sense of belonging.  I went there a few times because I know Alfonso...he owns along with his twin sons a spot (Iguanas) 3 min from my home at Union Tpke.  One time while at Iguana's I suggested to them that a change would do well at Cavalier.  He immediately told me that the place had a clientele that needed that spot there.  He (Carlos or Alonso - I don't know them well enough to tell them apart) was very clear that the Cavalier's  established clientele was the most important to their Dad.  It's always a loss in many ways to see a place like this go... :(
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Really4rob on February 08, 2010, 11:37:12 PM
He owns Iguanas?  I never knew that, I hosted a party there for a co-worker this summer!

And all this talk of the Cavalier reminds me of another old-school Jackson Heighst restaurant that went out years ago ... anyone recall the Continental?
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: earbears on February 08, 2010, 11:43:38 PM
Was that the one that was on 37th between 82nd and 83rd?
If that is it, then it was the insurance fire that burnt down the taxpayers. And from those ashes grew the A & C Palace. And the beginning of the JHBG.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Really4rob on February 08, 2010, 11:46:11 PM
Was that the one that was on 37th between 82nd and 83rd?
If that is it, then it was the insurance fire that burnt down the taxpayers. And from those ashes grew the A & C Palace. And the beginning of the JHBG.

Yes, the one that took most (but not all) of the block, and then the Hallmarks tore stood firm asking for witnesses .. ah 1980s Jackson Heights, I miss you so.  Between that huge pit for years and the Fields scaffolding ...
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: earbears on February 09, 2010, 02:34:01 PM
It's sad watching them empty everything from the Cavilier. Al is putting everything into storage until he finds another site. That makes it a little better - sort of semi-sweet.

I wonder if they are going to keep the neon sign - they kept the awning. ;)

If anyone hears where Al will be setting up the new place, give a holler. :smiley6600:
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Mr Shankly on February 09, 2010, 09:28:08 PM
And look what's up for sale, hmmm......  ???

http://realestate.nytimes.com/sales/detail/343-434-57900/11372-QUEENS-NY-USA/PRICE-HIGH-sort/343-434-57900--380-2232372--380-1034757--3517-2230566--380-2254508--2007-33D8D238E7436--857-0334186--2007-33D783B8C84E1--2007-33D8D235CD45A--380-2048431-ls/119-t
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: NYC Native on February 09, 2010, 10:05:09 PM
He owns Iguanas?  I never knew that, I hosted a party there for a co-worker this summer!

And all this talk of the Cavalier reminds me of another old-school Jackson Heighst restaurant that went out years ago ... anyone recall the Continental?

You know...the restaurant might be on the kids names...they may all be partners - I don't really know if Alfonso is in control there anymore but the few times I saw Al in Iguanas he was just himself - sharply dressed, having a drink and talking about cigars. I never saw him work the bar or anything at all.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: NYC Native on February 09, 2010, 10:07:47 PM
And look what's up for sale, hmmm......  ???

http://realestate.nytimes.com/sales/detail/343-434-57900/11372-QUEENS-NY-USA/PRICE-HIGH-sort/343-434-57900--380-2232372--380-1034757--3517-2230566--380-2254508--2007-33D8D238E7436--857-0334186--2007-33D783B8C84E1--2007-33D8D235CD45A--380-2048431-ls/119-t

You scared them off...hehe   :D
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Mr Shankly on February 09, 2010, 10:17:23 PM
And look what's up for sale, hmmm......  ???

http://realestate.nytimes.com/sales/detail/343-434-57900/11372-QUEENS-NY-USA/PRICE-HIGH-sort/343-434-57900--380-2232372--380-1034757--3517-2230566--380-2254508--2007-33D8D238E7436--857-0334186--2007-33D783B8C84E1--2007-33D8D235CD45A--380-2048431-ls/119-t

Updated link:

http://www.bondnewyork.com/nyc_apartment_listing_57900.htm
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: Shelby2 on February 09, 2010, 10:25:11 PM
Updated link:

http://www.bondnewyork.com/nyc_apartment_listing_57900.htm

Thanks for finding this.

Why does it say "5 Retail tenants and 1 vacant" ?  Maybe the deal is already in the works and the buyer would only close if it could be delivered 100% vacant?
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: NYC Native on February 09, 2010, 10:33:17 PM
Thanks for finding this.

Why does it say "5 Retail tenants and 1 vacant" ?  Maybe the deal is already in the works and the buyer would only close if it could be delivered 100% vacant?

It basically means that it is on a month to month basis for any of the tenants that wont accept terms if the lease is up - they may just want to keep sufficient income to pay overhead AND if there is a mortgage (HARD MONEY) then a few more dollars to pay interest.  NOW I am really curious!!!

CAN YOU SPELL F L I P?  :D
  Why am I the last one to know... why?
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: earbears on February 09, 2010, 11:20:16 PM
NY NAtive - please explain Flip???
I don't understand.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: NYC Native on February 09, 2010, 11:38:03 PM
earbears

I assumed it was a new landlord trying to flip on a distressed scenario.  Just spoke to one of my clients...turns out they have been trying to sell this baby a Loooong time.
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: earbears on February 09, 2010, 11:39:49 PM
How could we find out who wants to buy and for what??
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing? Possible new locations?
Post by: jimbo in jhts on February 10, 2010, 11:07:17 AM
Video store opposite the post office is going out....good size space and it would be a mini restaurant row with Novo, and Starbucks ...
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: elyaqim on February 18, 2010, 12:59:49 PM
My pictures through Cavalier’s windows:

(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs163.snc3/19038_331781719107_510279107_4608307_4630570_n.jpg) (http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs183.snc3/19038_331781809107_510279107_4608308_1687050_n.jpg) (http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs163.snc3/19038_331781919107_510279107_4608310_80075_n.jpg)

(See http://www.facebook.com/album.php?page=6&aid=180678&l=5b53e2e89b&id=510279107 (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?page=6&aid=180678&l=5b53e2e89b&id=510279107).)
Title: Re: The Cavalier -- Closing?
Post by: NYC Native on April 22, 2010, 11:23:29 PM
He is now the new owner of "Just Arthurs" on Steinway off Ditmars.  I wll be doing some minor modification (well, maybe).  I'll keep You posted  :D