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Title: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: Shelby2 on April 25, 2009, 12:37:51 PM
Anyone following this story? http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/25/swine.flu/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

I wonder what implications it has for our area since I imagine a fair number of people are back and forth between here and Mexico.

This is the same flu that killed 20 to 50 million people worldwide in 1918 (some of my NY relatives among them) and there was another small outbreak in the US in the 1970s that caused major problems due to the resulting vaccination program.
 Swine Flu - wikipedia  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_flu)
Title: Re: Swine flu in Queens
Post by: Shelby2 on April 25, 2009, 08:11:57 PM
8 New York Students Likely Have Strain of Swine Flu  (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/world/americas/26flu.html?hp)
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: Shelby2 on April 29, 2009, 01:08:57 PM
This has certainly progressed since I posted last weekend.  Just check daily news sources for new info.

This paragraph in  today's Times (April 29)  (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/29/nyregion/29school.html?_r=1&hpw) surprised me because I wasn't aware that so many people die from the flu in our region every year.

Mr. Bloomberg noted that even in a normal flu season, 1,000 to 2,000 New Yorkers, typically children or elderly or ill people, die from other strains of the flu, and said that if the swine flu continued to spread, “we may sadly see people either in New York City or nationally” die of it.
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: Ed on April 29, 2009, 02:28:31 PM
OK, but think about this-
The real swine behind swine flu?

Lest you worry too much about the swine flu, here’s a link to a short huffingtonpost piece that presents hysteric media coverage of swine flu as viral marketing on behalf of Tamiflu...made by former defense secretary Don Rumsfeld’s pharmaceutical company Gilead/Roche. The piece links to a story about an identical marketing campaign by Tamiflu during the avian flu outbreak in 2005. Also links to an onion article “Powerful Rest And Fluids Industry Influencing Doctors' Treatment Of Colds”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-gordon/tamiflurumsfeldh1n1-redux_b_191606.html

And here’s proof that the tactic is working...

From Monday’s BusinessWeek....

Drug stocks help world markets weather swine flu

Pharmaceutical companies enjoyed solid gains amid expectations that demand for anti-viral drugs would rise.

In Europe, Switzerland's Roche Holding AG -- the maker of Tamiflu -- saw its share price rise around 4 percent while GlaxoSmithkline PLC, which manufactures the Relenza drug, spiked 6 percent.

"The share prices of major European pharmaceutical companies have jumped in a generally weak market in anticipation of increased orders for vaccine-related products and it is estimated that the average earnings uplift from such an event could amount to around 0.5 percent in both 2009 and 2010," said Jeremy Batstone-Carr, director of private client research at stockbrokers Charles Stanley in London.

The gains weren't just confined to Europe though. In the U.S., a whole host of drug companies like Merck & Co., Pfizer Inc. and Eli Lilly & Co. were in demand too.
 
 
As the media coverage of swine flu reaches a fevered pitch, Jon Stewart wants you to know that at 149 deaths in Mexico, it still ranks last on the "list of things that can kill you in Mexico." 
 
 
 
 
Fear is deeply primal, one can't fully evolve away from fight or flight. Suppressing the urge is what really confounds those of us who trust our instincts. Who does Chicken Little work for?

Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: John Prester on April 29, 2009, 03:26:57 PM
I’d be careful citing the Fluffington Post or Jon Stewart as reputable sources for information on the current flu problem. 

Fluffington Post also had this post by New Age nut job Marianne Williamson:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marianne-williamson/pray-away-the-swine-flu_b_192004.html

The post pretty much speaks for itself.  If it’s not that obvious, it was dissected in Discover Magazine’s blog here:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/04/28/the-swine-flu-is-all-in-your-head-is-anyone-awake-at-the-huffington-post/

For a more scientific view on the influenza, this blog here by Vincent Racaniello Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology at Columbia University Medical Center:

http://www.virology.ws/

His most recent entries indicate that the influenza season in the Northern Hemisphere generally runs from January to April, and sometimes into May.  The epidemic should be over by the end of May in Mexico.  But he also cautions that the virus could spread to the Southern Hemisphere, where the influenza season generally runs from May to September.  And there’s always the possibility of the virus mutating, and this could cause problems with the Fall flu season in the Northern Hemisphere.

Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: Shelby2 on April 29, 2009, 08:06:54 PM
This has certainly progressed since I posted last weekend.  Just check daily news sources for new info.

This paragraph in  today's Times (April 29)  (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/29/nyregion/29school.html?_r=1&hpw) surprised me because I wasn't aware that so many people die from the flu in our region every year.

Mr. Bloomberg noted that even in a normal flu season, 1,000 to 2,000 New Yorkers, typically children or elderly or ill people, die from other strains of the flu, and said that if the swine flu continued to spread, “we may sadly see people either in New York City or nationally” die of it.

What I don't understand is, if up to 2000 people die in the NY area from flu in any given year, why 150 deaths from flu in a country as populous as Mexico would cause such alarm.  Is it because normally strong, young people are dying?  Have to do more reading.
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: Really4rob on April 30, 2009, 11:58:39 PM
Not to add the widespread panic, but I know of several schools that have had confirmed cases, more than just those of the news, and let's leave it at that.

Thankfully so far my own school, and my son's (PS 69) have no cases that have been publicized.
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: Marlene on May 03, 2009, 09:17:39 AM
One of the teacher's at P.S. 69Q is in Mexico and returning in a day or two.  I'm not sure how the school will handle the return.  To be continued . . . .   :smiley6600:
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"--HOW IT ALL STARTED
Post by: NYC Peromyscus on May 03, 2009, 02:50:18 PM
Just to ease the tension a bit (but not to make light of a potentially serious disease for some affected people, obviously)...
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: Chuckster on May 14, 2009, 06:16:21 PM
The latest news on the Swine Flu is that an assistant principal from a Queens school, Intermediate 238, has been hospitalized.  I googled 238's location and came up with Hollis, Queens.  Two other schools are a lot closer to us:

Intermediate School 5 in Elmhurst
P.S. 16 in Corona

Queens Educator Critically Ill With Swine Flu; 3 Schools Closed (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/queens-educator-critically-ill-with-swine-flu/?hp)
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: snickers on May 16, 2009, 09:09:03 AM
One of the closed schools(IS 5) is just on the other side of Queens Blvd in Elmhurst. I saw a news helicopter flying overhead on Thursday late afternoon. Mayor Bloomberg along with other health dept officials was on Queens Blvd yesterday holding a press conference about the swine flu crises.
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: Jeffsayyes on May 18, 2009, 01:23:14 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4B7FW8b5qI
Title: Queens Swine Flu Map
Post by: vladicravich on May 18, 2009, 05:26:30 PM
Check it out, google map of swine flu:
http://queenstribune.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/it-just-keeps-spreading/

We'll be updating this as more closing come in. Feel free to give us your own tips in the comments.
Vladic
Title: Re: Queens Swine Flu Map
Post by: Really4rob on May 19, 2009, 02:17:58 AM
Check it out, google map of swine flu:
http://queenstribune.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/it-just-keeps-spreading/

We'll be updating this as more closing come in. Feel free to give us your own tips in the comments.
Vladic

Very helpful.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: Chuckster on May 19, 2009, 10:56:00 AM
Has anyone found that they're taking extra precautions because of the recent uptick in reports we've been getting from the media?  The news was reporting this morning that a child has died at Elmhurst Hospital, and they're attributing the death to complications due to flu-like symptoms.  Testing will be done to determine the child's actual cause of death, and I suppose they will also test for the H1N1 virus.

I'm just following my usual routine of frequent hand washing, and I've always carried a small bottle of hand sanitizer with me anyway.
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: hunnybear on May 19, 2009, 09:20:20 PM
I've been trained in Infection control and trained by hospital personnel and its the simple washing of hands that prevents alot Of illnesses. One particular is MRSA which is rampant in the best of NYC hospitals. You'd be very surprised how many drs/nurses Do NOT wash between or before  seeing a patient. Also  When you go out for lunch you hand over money, get change and sit down to eat-Do you wash your hands?? Imagine how many people handled that dollar? It becomes second nature after a while you just have to get use to doing it. People PLEASE if you don't do anything else Just WASH YOUR HANDS and lay off your face/eyes/nose etc.
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: liam0925 on May 19, 2009, 11:38:42 PM
The Swine Flu crisis forcefully points out the need for more--not less--hospital space in Queens.  I heard from a reliable source that yesterday there was almost an 8 hour wait in Elmhurst's ER!!!  That's scary!  Meanwhile there are requests for bids on the St John and Mary Immaculate sites.  Sealed bids for both are due on June 15th. We really do not need more mall space! The City ought to buy both sites and try to get Federal funds to reopen them as urgent care and perhaps assisted living or senior housing.  The State dropped the ball on this and we should not forget that.
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: hunnybear on May 20, 2009, 07:00:27 AM
Elmhurst has always had 8 hr waits that is nothing new. I have many  Personal horror stories about them.  I'd rather die in the streets then be taken there to die. I go to manhattan even for urgent care-I'll call a taxi not a ambulance.
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: MarcusW on May 20, 2009, 09:17:20 AM
The baby that died in the Elmhurst hospital did not have H1N1, according to the recent test results. And so far, only one public school in the city (Hollis) is closed with actual H1N1 cases (where the Asst. principal sadly died, becoming NY's ONLY death from the virus so far). All the rest are closed as a precaution, or because attendance is so low that they've been closed for a few days.

Just wash your hands, and don't worry about it too much. Hysteria isn't helping. And flooding emergency rooms with false fears of flu doesn't help.
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: Chuckster on May 20, 2009, 12:13:44 PM
I think the media, particularly the print media is playing a major role in promoting the fear factor.  People have to be savvy enough to read between the sensationalized headlines and just adhere to good sanitary practices like hand washing, staying home when you're sick and covering coughs and sneezes.  Aren't we all supposed to do this on a regular basis anyway?

Some of the headlines on the local dailies are quick to point out that more schools have closed, yet unless you read an article in its entirety, you won't find out that this is being done as a precautionary measure.  Fear seems to be up, while actual confirmed cases of H1N1 remain low.  I think NY1 put it that way.  Good for them.

Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: michaelb on May 20, 2009, 12:30:20 PM
``I tell people that if it's in the news, don't worry about it. The very definition of "news" is "something that hardly ever happens." It's when something isn't in the news, when it's so common that it's no longer news -- car crashes, domestic violence -- that you should start worrying.''

http://www.schneier.com/essay-171.html
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: liam0925 on May 20, 2009, 11:42:41 PM
Elmhurst has always had 8 hr waits that is nothing new. I have many  Personal horror stories about them.  I'd rather die in the streets then be taken there to die. I go to manhattan even for urgent care-I'll call a taxi not a ambulance.

I went to the emergency room by taxi last September and had only a short wait before beings seen and treated.  I had excellent care.  Again, Hunnybear, our view of the world differs. 

Title: Swine Flu Speads to Politics
Post by: vladicravich on May 21, 2009, 02:12:28 PM
Hey all, if you're interested in some of the political back and forth on this, check out the Queens Tribune feature on the topic in this week's paper. I put it on our blog for all you internet people too.

http://queenstribune.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/swine-flu-spreads-to-politics/

Vladic
Title: Re: Swine flu outbreak "serious"
Post by: Chuckster on May 23, 2009, 04:54:26 PM
H1N1 had been initially suspected in the death of young Jonathan Zamorra Castillo, but testing later revealed that an unrelated fever was to blame.  The The New York Times has the sad follow-up on the young couple that their son.

Out of the News Glare, Immigrants Wrestle With the Loss of a Son to Fever (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/23/nyregion/23baby.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=nyregion)