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Title: Outdoor Dining
Post by: itsit on June 09, 2020, 06:50:08 PM
 Does anyone know what the plans are for Phase 2 openings for our local restaurants? I heard something about Cafe Eloise in shopping center organizing some restauranteurs there. It would be great to give more business to those on Northern Blvd and 37th Ave.
 Anything in the works that you know of?
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: dssjh on June 09, 2020, 07:45:21 PM
i'm not on Northern enough to've taken a close look, but the sidewalks on 37th are just too narrow to make it work. you need six feet of distancing, and if you try to move six feet from a table, you're walking in the street -- and the storefronts themselves are quite small. you could only fit one table in front of the Arepa Lady or (if and when it opens), Swim Two Birds.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: frances on June 09, 2020, 09:18:06 PM
This text comes from Business Insider, but I've read it elsewhere.

"Restaurants in "commercial corridors" will be able to convert parking spaces for dining service.

They will need to supply their own barricades and planters to block the area from the road.

The city will allow restaurants to register and certify themselves online to expedite the process, but they must comply with guidelines like not blocking bus stops, fire hydrants, and intersections."
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: dssjh on June 09, 2020, 09:26:21 PM
after all the whining about zipcar taking three (3) parking spaces on 37th, i can't wait to see drivers' reactions to losing dozens for outdoor dining.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: jh35 on June 10, 2020, 01:49:20 PM
after all the whining about zipcar taking three (3) parking spaces on 37th, i can't wait to see drivers' reactions to losing dozens for outdoor dining.

In San Francisco people can use parking spaces for a small park... parklets.

https://groundplaysf.org/parklets/ (https://groundplaysf.org/parklets/)
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: StevenGrey on June 10, 2020, 03:02:44 PM
after all the whining about zipcar taking three (3) parking spaces on 37th, i can't wait to see drivers' reactions to losing dozens for outdoor dining.

If you want a serious proposal for phase two, convert 37th Avenue into the open street and reopen 34th Avenue to normal traffic. That would allow all the restaurants, bars and cafes along 37th to put tables out on the sidewalks, leaving the middle of the avenue open to pedestrians. (Or conversely, have the street be the seating areas and leave the sidewalks for pedestrians.)
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: itsit on June 11, 2020, 06:02:41 AM
 Opening 37th and Northern for restaurants to use the parking spots or the actual full street, say from 5-9pm on Fri, Sat and Sunday should be possible. So many other areas are utilizing street spaces and reviving their restaurants. Since part of living in Jackson Heights is the amazing selection of food, we need to be creative here to keep them making realistic profit margins. The smaller percentages from this covid time are not going to sustain these businesses unless they get a real boost somehow.

  Outdoor dining, outdoor dining, outdoor dining....
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: frances on June 11, 2020, 08:29:48 AM
Opening 37th and Northern for restaurants to use the parking spots or the actual full street, say from 5-9pm on Fri, Sat and Sunday should be possible. So many other areas are utilizing street spaces and reviving their restaurants. Since part of living in Jackson Heights is the amazing selection of food, we need to be creative here to keep them making realistic profit margins. The smaller percentages from this covid time are not going to sustain these businesses unless they get a real boost somehow.

  Outdoor dining, outdoor dining, outdoor dining....

It's going to be way more extensive than 12 hours/week.

https://ny.eater.com/2020/6/4/21280420/outdoor-dining-de-blasio-coronavirus-nyc-restaurants
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 11, 2020, 09:31:27 AM
Opening 37th and Northern for restaurants to use the parking spots or the actual full street, say from 5-9pm on Fri, Sat and Sunday should be possible. So many other areas are utilizing street spaces and reviving their restaurants. Since part of living in Jackson Heights is the amazing selection of food, we need to be creative here to keep them making realistic profit margins. The smaller percentages from this covid time are not going to sustain these businesses unless they get a real boost somehow.

  Outdoor dining, outdoor dining, outdoor dining....

It's going to be way more extensive than 12 hours/week.

https://ny.eater.com/2020/6/4/21280420/outdoor-dining-de-blasio-coronavirus-nyc-restaurants

This is GREAT for summer. But what happens in winter?

Heated tents?

Realistically, it will take about 2 years for a vaccine to be ubiquitous if we are lucky, I suppose heated tents on streets could be a solution.

Though it's all a bit of a mess really for the restaurant industry. And many other industries like events and theater and cinema etc, etc.

What the virus is demanding is less density...more space.

And there simply ain't much space to spare in NYC.

Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: dssjh on June 15, 2020, 04:09:43 PM
It seems that some local establishments have decided they can start serving in "outdoor cafes," despite the fact that the practice is explicitly banned for now. Hope they can afford the fines they'll incur -- which are not minor, according to the state.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: Matt on June 16, 2020, 09:32:57 PM
I first noticed this in LIC a few weeks back. It wasn't outdoor dining, but a few bars were serving drinks through windows to people hanging out on the sidewalks. I'm pretty sure you can't do that in ordinary times!

I have mixed feelings though. All of these businesses are being creative and are taking risks in order to survive.

I have started noticing this here too. People are becoming impatient.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: dssjh on June 16, 2020, 09:37:35 PM
people were impatient in 1918, too, from all the century old reports i've read. that contributed to the massive death toll of second and third waves. but, hey, the entitled need their mimosas, so full speed ahead.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: Shelby2 on June 16, 2020, 09:46:11 PM
people were impatient in 1918, too, from all the century old reports i've read. that contributed to the massive death toll of second and third waves. but, hey, the entitled need their mimosas, so full speed ahead.

One thing I read about the history of the Spanish flu is that a lot of deaths were blamed on Philadelphia's decision to hold a large parade in September 1918. I realize coronavirus and flu are not the same disease, but there's been so much emphasis on how it's so hard to transmit the coronavirus outdoors. I guess that was just not true of the Spanish flu? I really hope they are right about outdoor transmission of coronavirus being difficult.

This is an excerpt about Spanish flu and the parade: "Within 72 hours of the parade, every bed in Philadelphia’s 31 hospitals was filled. In the week ending October 5, some 2,600 people in Philadelphia had died from the flu or its complications. A week later, that number rose to more than 4,500. With many of the city’s health professionals pressed into military service, Philadelphia was unprepared for this deluge of death."
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: Minimal4me on June 17, 2020, 05:43:32 PM
I first noticed this in LIC a few weeks back. It wasn't outdoor dining, but a few bars were serving drinks through windows to people hanging out on the sidewalks. I'm pretty sure you can't do that in ordinary times!

I have mixed feelings though. All of these businesses are being creative and are taking risks in order to survive.

I have started noticing this here too. People are becoming impatient.

I saw this too on Northern Blvd. Several bars were serving drinks. People were milling about on the sidewalk and curb, many not wearing masks and definitely not 6ft apart. It's sad. We have no plans for restaurant dining-even outdoors. We'll see what happens in states that opened before us, but I'm expecting increased cases of the virus.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: itsit on June 19, 2020, 08:11:45 AM
 I hope that the smaller restaurants here know about this! It would be a shame if all the business went to the best networked folks who know how to navigate the new rules. All of our restaurants are deserving of this unique chance to survive the pandemic.
 Let's spread the word please!
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: jh35 on June 19, 2020, 11:12:09 PM
An article on the restaurant reopening plan:

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/06/18/mayor-reveals-open-restaurants-plan-and-industry-is-pleased/ (https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/06/18/mayor-reveals-open-restaurants-plan-and-industry-is-pleased/)

It includes tables in parking spaces.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: dssjh on June 20, 2020, 12:13:41 AM
this should be a fun debate for the next 18 months or so.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: dssjh on June 20, 2020, 12:44:17 AM
For the record, I side with t a bles
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: spooky on June 20, 2020, 10:04:18 PM

Cuomo amended the executive order:


Governor Cuomo amended Executive Order 202.43 (EO) to include updated guidance for food and beverage establishments effective immediately. You can also watch the announcement here.
 
Under this EO, businesses selling or serving alcohol to be consumed at the business or elsewhere must ensure that everyone within 100 feet of their business is:

In compliance with open-container, social-distancing, and face-covering rules; and
Following all existing rules, regulations, and laws.

Businesses that cannot follow these guidelines must stop selling alcohol until they can.
 
Violations could result in having a license suspended or revoked, with fines up to $10,000 per violation. 

Patrons can also be fined for breaking open container or social distancing rules.



———

I wonder if the bars on Northern will abide... seems like a stiff penalty

Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: Liz on June 22, 2020, 07:59:09 AM
I saw a large wooden platform in from of Arepa lady.  I'm guessing for tables?  Hombres and Barilles always have enormous crowds in front of them.  If they didn't have all the people hanging out in front I would be tempted to buy a takeout cocktail.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 22, 2020, 09:36:32 AM
Well, it has taken a pandemic to create charming European-style "en plein air" dining on NYC sidewalks.

Looking at the positives...
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on June 22, 2020, 11:12:54 AM
It has existed all over NYC for quite some time........just not in Jackson Heights.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: itsit on June 22, 2020, 11:13:28 AM

 My thoughts exactly! Been waiting for outdoor dining here in JH for such a long time...
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: dssjh on June 22, 2020, 11:22:08 AM
Ricky's put out a pair of two-top tables, crammed together, about ten days ago.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 22, 2020, 01:41:28 PM
It has existed all over NYC for quite some time........just not in Jackson Heights.

I happened to go to Harlem recently and there were jazz bands/bands outside the restaurants too. As well as outdoor dining.

It was super cool.  Kinda New Orleans.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: Grabey on June 23, 2020, 07:14:36 PM
We had lunch at Laly’s today and it was really nice (albeit with the train rumbling overhead every few minutes). It was nice to eat outside and very weird to be eating at a restaurant. Not sure if I’ll do it too often but it was a nice change of pace.

Lots of places in the neighborhood are opening up outdoor spaces, Romeo’s has added plants and barriers to make a nice dining area. I hope these changes stay in place for a while.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: JHResident on June 25, 2020, 07:24:34 PM
Arepa Lady's setup looks dangerous to me. The rest of the block is still open for parking. I think I'll wait for phase 3.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 26, 2020, 07:05:35 PM
Broadway, Astoria has just re-invented itself as a kinda outdoors STONE ST dining destination.

It's great. And Jackson Heights establishments can learn from what they've done.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on June 26, 2020, 07:45:26 PM
Restaurant owners here need to visit Astoria and the like to see what is possible.  The set-ups here, thus far, are pathetically sad.   :(
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: toddg on June 27, 2020, 12:53:04 PM
Here's a map with all of the "Open Restaurants" in the city, with information on whether they offer sidewalk on on-street seating:
http://www.nycopenrestaurants.info/

As of now, they have 126 restaurants listed in 11372!
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: dssjh on June 27, 2020, 03:02:09 PM
i wish more of the open restaurants would maintain the mandated distance between tables. i've seen a couple where chairs from different tables are actually touching, back to back.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: Donna on June 27, 2020, 05:18:10 PM
Somehow sitting in the street on 37 Ave, in traffic, with the fumes and the possibility of being hit by a car doesn't appeal to me. I will continue with take out.
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: toddg on June 28, 2020, 10:24:41 PM
I took a nice stroll this evening in a big loop along 37th, 90th, Roosevelt, and 74th.  It was a delight to see all of the outdoor dining and socializing.   I haven't seen 37th Avenue this vibrant since the World Cup! 
Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: JHMNY on June 29, 2020, 02:49:10 PM
Reopening NYC: Queens Restaurants + Street Vendors Weigh In

The Eat Your World Blog (https://eatyourworld.com/blog/reopening-nyc-queens-restaurants-street-vendors-weigh-in/)

We’ve all heard about the struggles of restaurants, in New York City and elsewhere, but what about the ones we know and love in our own neighborhoods? It’s a question that’s weighed on me, as the few I’ve been in touch with personally in Jackson Heights have expressed many struggles over the course of the pandemic. A lot of the businesses here in our part of Queens are small and immigrant-owned, compounding the difficulty of obtaining financial aid. So in recent weeks I’ve spoken or emailed with a few restaurant and street cart owners in Queens to ask: How has it been for you these past few months, and what does “reopening” look like to you?


[Click on above link for complete blog entry.]

Title: Re: Outdoor Dining
Post by: frances on July 17, 2020, 02:50:51 PM
I was just reading about the new Open Restaurant streets, and was absolutely delighted to see that that one is going to Thai Community USA (no idea what that is, actually). Anyway, Woodside Ave between 76th and 78th will be closed to traffic (and open for expanded dining) Fri-Sun evenings.