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Title: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: fillmorep on March 27, 2020, 03:08:36 PM
Today seems to be the first day of the closing of 34th between 80th and 73rd, to traffic. I just went power walking on this lovely day, and there were squads of traffic police at each intersection. I also saw some news cameras. The crowds were thin, given that this is just getting underway. But the kids and their parents out in the sunshine were squealing with delight.

I know this may be a hardship for drivers, but for walkers and cyclists, it's a joy.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue Closing
Post by: carrefour_ny on March 27, 2020, 03:12:07 PM
I did the same and I agree -- this is sheer joy! I'm going to be get used to these small quality-of-life improvements...
Title: Re: 34th Avenue Closing
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 27, 2020, 06:20:55 PM
If there weren't an epidemic raging all around...what with the flowering trees and all...today promenading down 34th Ave, you'd swear you were in Paris in the Spring.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue Closing
Post by: Donna on March 28, 2020, 04:48:08 PM
So much for sheltering in place.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue Closing
Post by: dssjh on March 28, 2020, 05:19:17 PM
there is no shelter in place order

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/cuomo-says-he-wont-approve-coronavirus-shelter-in-place-order-for-new-york-city.html
Title: Re: 34th Avenue Closing
Post by: JHResident on March 28, 2020, 09:07:12 PM
With no access to my street now between the closing of 34th Ave and 78th St I was nervous about getting deliveries, but it looks like they're letting people drive North on 78th St. while 34th Ave is closed. Be aware tomorrow that 79th St. will probably be closed for the greenmarket, so you might want to avoid driving anywhere near 79th St.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue Closing
Post by: pgoat on April 04, 2020, 11:36:29 AM
This appears to have been extended through Sunday April 5th, but wondering whether that will be updated, as the virus news regarding staying home changes daily. Any reliable updates are welcome here. This was the latest I could find:

https://jacksonheightspost.com/nyc-extends-closure-of-stretch-of-34th-avenue-to-promote-social-distancing
Title: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: JackM on April 09, 2020, 08:16:29 AM
I have to say, I'm enjoying the quiet streets.  I haven't heard a car honking in weeks.  And the closing of a few blocks of 34th Ave. on weekends adds a new dimension.  This quiet prompted me to think of our neighborhood and our quality of life.   I think it's time for our City Council person and Community Board to consider how we can improve our neighborhood in a visionary way.  Here's a radical (or maybe not so radical) idea:  Can we close 37th Avenue between say 74 St and 90th Street and also closing 82nd Street between 35 Ave and Roosevelt Ave -- allowing only deliveries and emergency vehicles?  These are the most commercial streets and most congested streets in JH.  To make them pedestrian only would both enhance the quality of life here (remember, we are underserved by parks) eliminating traffic noise and danger to pedestrians, and it would also enhance businesses.  For example, restaurants could expand outdoor seating.  Trees and greenery could be planted along the pedestrian mall etc.  Anyway, I believe this would be a good time to start considering how to remodel and upgrade our neighborhood.  This pandemic has given us an opportunity to reimagine our neighborhood. 
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: carrefour_ny on April 09, 2020, 10:34:37 AM
I am totally with you on this. I love how quiet and people-oriented the neighborhood feels, now that traffic is reduced and streets are closed. It really gives me a sense of what our neighborhood could be like. That's definitely a cause I'm willing to work for.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: Chingwa on April 09, 2020, 12:20:02 PM
Our neighborhood can only be like this if you get rid of the majority of the people.  I think few are in favor of that.  And no, we cannot close 37th ave.  Just enjoy these benefits while you can while this situation lasts.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: Matt on April 09, 2020, 02:03:39 PM
The closure of 34th Ave was a pilot program which has ended as not enough people were making use of it to justify the number of police needed. As most of us are staying at home, I'm not sure why this was not anticipated.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-gives-up-on-street-closures-for-open-space-as-nypd-sick-calls-rise/2361617/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-gives-up-on-street-closures-for-open-space-as-nypd-sick-calls-rise/2361617/)

I liked this as well and I think it would be great if this could be incorporated into our neighborhood either permanently or once a week.

Madrid permanently made many streets open to pedestrians only and Mexico City closes many streets on Sundays for bicyclists and pedestrians. I've experienced both and they are fantastic ways to enjoy both cities. I don't see any reason why this could not work here. It's not people, but cars that you need to get rid of to make this happen.

https://www.ricksteves.com/watch-read-listen/read/articles/an-inside-and-outside-look-at-madrid (https://www.ricksteves.com/watch-read-listen/read/articles/an-inside-and-outside-look-at-madrid)

http://cdmxtravel.com/en/top-experiences/on-sundays-zumba-and-bikes-in-reforma.html (http://cdmxtravel.com/en/top-experiences/on-sundays-zumba-and-bikes-in-reforma.html)
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: Chingwa on April 09, 2020, 03:17:29 PM
Closing one street does not magically make the cars go away, it just offloads them onto other more residential streets.  I'd rather keep that traffic on commercial streets.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: JackM on April 09, 2020, 04:52:31 PM
As for cars going to side streets -- that would not be an issue because the residential streets do not have commercial businesses.  Most thru traffic, I believe, will be diverted to Northern Blvd which can best handle it.  I've been to many cities in Europe and most have these pedestrian only areas.  Barcelona, for instance has a wonderful pedestrian thruway with stores and restaurants.  It's quite long.  We need to think about pedestrians and our quality of life.  Somehow, over the years, the needs of cars has been the priority.  We have pedestrians crowded on sidewalks.  This is not about reducing the number of people in our neighborhood but opening space for them.  And this is not only about opening space for people but improving their experience as they shop, seek entertainment, or just walk. 
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: Beherenow on April 09, 2020, 05:04:17 PM
Can we close 37th Avenue between say 74 St and 90th Street and also closing 82nd Street between 35 Ave and Roosevelt Ave -- allowing only deliveries and emergency vehicles?

I've appreciate quiet, too. But how could trucks make deliveries to all the stores without disrupting all the pedestrians you envision?
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: Jeffsayyes on April 09, 2020, 06:39:05 PM
I think they should close 74th street and eliminate a lot of parking so trucks can make more deliveries
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: JackM on April 16, 2020, 09:58:22 AM
In most cities with pedestrian sections store deliveries are usually done at specified times (early morning, overnight etc)  Maybe even during specific daytime hours on weekdays or from side streets.  Many options.  Logistics could be worked out.  We need to begin to put people at the center of planning and not cars and traffic.  Cities are about people, neighborhoods, and moving large groups of people around efficiently.  Cars are best suited for suburbs where businesses are far from residential areas.  In cities residential and business districts overlap and are next to each other, often just blocks away.  What makes NYC great is it is a mosaic of self-sustaining neighborhoods each with its own character.  True, many work outside their neighborhoods and that is where mass transit becomes invaluable.  Having millions of people, moving around the city in cars often one or two people in a vehicle, just doesn't make much sense.  In many European cities residents may own cars but they are used primarily for travel outside the city, often for long trips.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: jh_foodie on April 16, 2020, 01:57:27 PM
In most cities with pedestrian sections store deliveries are usually done at specified times (early morning, overnight etc)  Maybe even during specific daytime hours on weekdays or from side streets.  Many options.  Logistics could be worked out.  We need to begin to put people at the center of planning and not cars and traffic.  Cities are about people, neighborhoods, and moving large groups of people around efficiently.  Cars are best suited for suburbs where businesses are far from residential areas.  In cities residential and business districts overlap and are next to each other, often just blocks away.  What makes NYC great is it is a mosaic of self-sustaining neighborhoods each with its own character.  True, many work outside their neighborhoods and that is where mass transit becomes invaluable.  Having millions of people, moving around the city in cars often one or two people in a vehicle, just doesn't make much sense.  In many European cities residents may own cars but they are used primarily for travel outside the city, often for long trips.

I agree with you. We can make personal cars obsolete with a combination of better subways, better utilization of commuter rail and autonomous vehicles (that can be shared).
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: JHMNY on May 06, 2020, 10:36:26 AM
During his daily morning COVID briefing, Mayor De Blasio just announced the closure of 34th Avenue for pedestrian use during the crisis.... 69th through 77th.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: itsit on May 12, 2020, 12:41:34 PM
 Many of the local civic group and electeds and candidates are behind the push to extend 34th Ave all the way up. Let's see if all of the communities are behind this especially ones closer to Flushing Meadows who may prefer the streets open as they use the fields and paths elsewhere to socially distance. I don't think any one group encompasses this whole avenue and the multiple voices should be heard. People are using it on 34th Avenue but mainly those coming from the high 70's and 80's down to the lower areas of Jackson Heights towards Woodside.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: JHResident on May 12, 2020, 01:10:47 PM
If they close 34th Avenue any further, how will driver's access 78th Street?
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: jeanette on May 12, 2020, 08:51:32 PM
Many of the local civic group and electeds and candidates are behind the push to extend 34th Ave all the way up. Let's see if all of the communities are behind this especially ones closer to Flushing Meadows who may prefer the streets open as they use the fields and paths elsewhere to socially distance. I don't think any one group encompasses this whole avenue and the multiple voices should be heard. People are using it on 34th Avenue but mainly those coming from the high 70's and 80's down to the lower areas of Jackson Heights towards Woodside.

Unfortunately the socialists never sleep. The streets are being altered and reassigned according to a plan of which the general population has no say. 88th Street, a narrow one-way, now has a dedicated bike lane and is planned as a bus route. We have no idea what the plan is for parking or driving on that street.

And as frightening as it sounds, "Neighborhood Councils" will be out to keep an eye on us and a nose in our business.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: twmeb on May 12, 2020, 11:14:28 PM
If they close 34th Avenue any further, how will driver's access 78th Street?

Streets are public space, and belong equally to car drivers, people on bikes, and pedestrians. Cars should not have a monopoly on the roads.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: JHResident on May 13, 2020, 03:37:24 AM
If they close 34th Avenue any further, how will driver's access 78th Street?

Streets are public space, and belong equally to car drivers, people on bikes, and pedestrians. Cars should not have a monopoly on the roads.
Except cars will no longer have access to 78th Street. The street is one way southbound and the Travers Park extension already blocks access from Northern Boulevard.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: jh35 on May 13, 2020, 03:40:36 AM
Many of the local civic group and electeds and candidates are behind the push to extend 34th Ave all the way up. Let's see if all of the communities are behind this especially ones closer to Flushing Meadows who may prefer the streets open as they use the fields and paths elsewhere to socially distance. I don't think any one group encompasses this whole avenue and the multiple voices should be heard. People are using it on 34th Avenue but mainly those coming from the high 70's and 80's down to the lower areas of Jackson Heights towards Woodside.

Unfortunately the socialists never sleep. The streets are being altered and reassigned according to a plan of which the general population has no say. 88th Street, a narrow one-way, now has a dedicated bike lane and is planned as a bus route. We have no idea what the plan is for parking or driving on that street.

And as frightening as it sounds, "Neighborhood Councils" will be out to keep an eye on us and a nose in our business.

lol
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: JHResident on May 14, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
They are closing 34th Ave from 78th St to Junction Blvd beginning today. Looks like 77th and 78th Streets are not part of the closing. Either way, this will make it difficult for emergency vehicles to service 78th St between 34th and 35th Avenues. 8AM to 8PM.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: JHResident on May 14, 2020, 02:13:10 PM
https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/pedestrians/openstreets.shtml (https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/pedestrians/openstreets.shtml)
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 14, 2020, 02:41:14 PM
Great. This will be helpful for 100's of pedestrians who need space to walk/exercise.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: Shelby2 on May 14, 2020, 10:40:38 PM
Streetfilms did a short 2 minute film about the street closures in 34th Ave. https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=SI7uinNg7jk
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: JHHD on May 14, 2020, 10:41:20 PM
34th ave is not closed, it is OPEN- for people, and it is wonderful.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: JackM on May 18, 2020, 09:35:55 AM
I love the closing of traffic on 34th Avenue from the BQE to 98th Street.  Great idea.  But I have a question for our political representatives:  What are the most congested sidewalks in JH?  Not a trick question.  Obviously, 37th Ave and 82nd Street (between 37th Ave & Roosevelt.)  Wouldn't it make sense to close 37th Avenue to car traffic to allow for more social distancing?  It would also allow the many restaurants and small shops to expand their businesses to outside areas.  Some of the restaurants, for instance, could set up tables and service outside to expand their business, especially when they are allowed to reopen and can only have 50% or less occupancy.  They could, conceivably, have full capacity with outdoor service.  And we all love outsice dining.  Small shops could also display items outside their shops on the sidewalk areas. 
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: dssjh on May 18, 2020, 09:38:52 AM
the problem with closing a totally commercial street lies in the fact that it's commercial. the restaurants could have plenty of outdoor seating, but they wouldn't be able to get deliveries to fill their kitchens. retail establishments also need vehicular traffic -- to have merchandise delivered and, in some cases, to get merchandise out the door with customers.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 18, 2020, 10:51:42 AM
I love the closing of traffic on 34th Avenue from the BQE to 98th Street.  Great idea.  But I have a question for our political representatives:  What are the most congested sidewalks in JH?  Not a trick question.  Obviously, 37th Ave and 82nd Street (between 37th Ave & Roosevelt.)  Wouldn't it make sense to close 37th Avenue to car traffic to allow for more social distancing?  It would also allow the many restaurants and small shops to expand their businesses to outside areas.  Some of the restaurants, for instance, could set up tables and service outside to expand their business, especially when they are allowed to reopen and can only have 50% or less occupancy.  They could, conceivably, have full capacity with outdoor service.  And we all love outsice dining.  Small shops could also display items outside their shops on the sidewalk areas.

Yes. This is brilliant idea. Certain early morning hours can be set aside for deliveries etc.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 21, 2020, 09:25:50 AM
The closing of 34th Ave for use by pedestrians is fantastic.

It has become a stunning promenade. And should stay that way.

And shows us how much better a city might be for us pedestrians...We are in the majority here in NYC, after all... outnumbering car owners...

And, point of fact, thankfully we do live in a democracy...where the majority is able to change the previous status quo.



Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: KGDHP on May 21, 2020, 10:49:35 AM
The closing of 34th Ave for use by pedestrians is fantastic.

It has become a stunning promenade. And should stay that way.

And shows us how much better a city might be for us pedestrians...We are in the majority here in NYC, after all... outnumbering car owners...

And, point of fact, thankfully we do live in a democracy...where the majority is able to change the previous status quo.

I agree...I absolutely LOVE it and think it is one of the best things to happen to the neighborhood. Would be a dream if it could be permanent. I also could very easily see 37th Avenue partially closed to create a nice promenade with outdoor seating for restaurants. We really need it...I am scared that many of our places will close if this keeps up.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: JHALUM on May 21, 2020, 10:59:14 AM
If 34th avenue was closed permanently to traffic I wonder how miserable the traffic would be on 35th and Northern especially during rush hour.  The article linked  below is about two years old but it is an interesting map of household car ownership in NYC.  I think if you owned property on 34th avenue it would  go up in value and if the traffic was really bad on 35th avenue the real estate values there would go down.  I can't even imagine the horn honking.


https://edc.nyc/article/new-yorkers-and-their-cars
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 21, 2020, 11:06:50 AM
If 34th avenue was closed permanently to traffic I wonder how miserable the traffic would be on 35th and Northern especially during rush hour.  The article linked  below is about two years old but it is an interesting map of household car ownership in NYC.  I think if you owned property on 34th avenue it would  go up in value and if the traffic was really bad on 35th avenue the real estate values there would go down.  I can't even imagine the horn honking.


https://edc.nyc/article/new-yorkers-and-their-cars

Since, due to the Covid-19 crisis, all real estate values in NYC will have plummeted down the toilet...(After all, a NYC without theater and restaurants and crowded NYC cultural life isn't worth as much to live here. Might as well live in a cheaper, easier city that also doesn't have those special things.) 

So, real estate values are a moot point now...it's a perfect time to implement CHANGE FOR PEDESTRIANS. 

Might as well make it a New York to enjoy, lifestyle-wise, for those of us who remain after the exodus.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: CaptainFlannel on May 21, 2020, 02:04:48 PM
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Certain early morning hours can be set aside for deliveries etc.

That will require the businesses receiving the deliveries to be open/staffed with employees to receive and shelve the deliveries, and will also require the vendors doing the deliveries to actually do the delivering in the early morning hours (increasing their labor costs as well).

I'd welcome that change to how business is done, but I drive along 37th Avenue enough to know that tons of deliveries happen during the day, and it's not as simple for businesses as just saying deliveries must arrive between 5 - 7 am.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: dssjh on May 21, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
and, since we live in the brave new world of food delivery, it would effectively end those restaurants' ability to use UberEats, DoorDash etc. i don't use them, personally, but i've seen that a lot of people do. same with businesses like furniture stores and some supermarkets that use delivery vehicles. yes, they could triple park on the side streets, but most people who live on those streets could object.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: itsit on May 22, 2020, 08:25:06 AM
 The 34th Ave closings are welcome for a time but you have to realize how much traffic - both vehicular and cyclists- regularly use this street! No one seems to have told the cyclists that the long running bike lanes are gone! They are still using them at high speeds as they have for decades. Also the street closures ( Northern and 37th Aves) on some weekend evenings could be an easier ask. Let's spread around the closures so one area is not overwhelmed by the shutdown and that the commercial venues get the street traffic that could be gained by the extra space that allows social distancing. Win, win.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on May 22, 2020, 02:20:38 PM
Are you certain the bike lanes are gone?  That section of 34th Avenue is closed to cars.  I have not seen any information that says the bike lanes along that stretch should not be used by cyclists.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: petster on May 24, 2020, 12:39:23 PM
I have mixed feelings about this.  It’s good for social distancing. I use the bike lanes and found it difficult to maneuver. Baby carriages, people playing with their kids were doing so in the lanes, which at times made it hazardous. I also saw kids running through the flower beds planted in the median.As a driver, I also noticed that Northern was really congested I and despite parking restrictions drivers were parked and doubled parked along Northern.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: CaptainFlannel on May 26, 2020, 06:22:46 AM
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Are you certain the bike lanes are gone?  That section of 34th Avenue is closed to cars.  I have not seen any information that says the bike lanes along that stretch should not be used by cyclists.

You can use the bike lanes, but you gotta keep it to 5 MPH or under. I think if you want more than a leisurely bike ride, it would be wise to go elsewhere. There's kids playing hop scotch and riding their little bikes in the street. Pedestrians aren't keeping out of the bike lane (I've made this mistake and do my best to stay out of the lane so cyclists have someplace to ride unobstructed).

Common sense would dictate that people use the median divided road just like traffic - keep to the right, stay out of the bike lane. And the folks setting up the barriers wouldn't put them in the bike lane. But, as they say, common sense is in such short supply it should be deemed a superpower.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: jo3boxer on May 26, 2020, 08:35:16 PM
if you're a kid learning to ride/riding with a parent walking next you, it should be fine to use 34th ave during the car closures.

if you're in full kit and dodging pedestrians and barricades, you're clearly there to show off your spandex. pick another street, another bike lane. biking on 34th is not enjoyable.

the same should be the case for runners not wearing masks. why would you come to a place populated with people when you can run on an empty street all over the rest of the neighborhood. super inconsiderate.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: Benoit on May 26, 2020, 10:19:40 PM
Why are they allowing people to congregate on 34th Ave, Without social distancing, as I have seen every day since they have closed  the streets. But you’re not allowed to congregate in Travers Park? And what’s up with the bike lanes on 34th, are they still bike lanes? As far as I know, they still are. And the people should stay off of them. And people, when you’re crossing the streets you still have to look at the lights because traffic is still coming the other way. And if you want to run without a mask that’s fine, just stay 6 feet away for me and we won’t have a problem
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: CaptainFlannel on May 27, 2020, 04:58:39 PM
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Why are they allowing people to congregate on 34th Ave, Without social distancing, as I have seen every day since they have closed  the streets.

I think you might be occupying an alternate universe (where time runs backwards maybe?). People mostly walk and keep their distance from one another.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: Benoit on May 27, 2020, 05:25:41 PM
I’m not sure what universe you’re from, but I have a window looking out 34th Ave.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: itsit on May 29, 2020, 08:10:51 AM
 Traffic on Northern Blvd was very bad yesterday around 5:00. It took 20 minutes to get through
about 1 mile of Jackson Heights. The Open Streets program has to take a look at the impact on
the other avenues at different times of day before something goes off here. Any traffic analysts
out there?
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: dssjh on May 29, 2020, 11:01:33 AM
we live on 35th avenue, and i expected a huge uptick in traffic, but haven't seen one yet, thank goodness.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: theplanesland on May 29, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
we live on 35th avenue, and i expected a huge uptick in traffic, but haven't seen one yet, thank goodness.

Ditto. 35th is pretty quiet.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: Matt on June 02, 2020, 07:53:09 PM
I rode my bike through Sunnyside over the weekend and I came across two streets that were "closed" to vehicles, 39th Ave. and a section of Skillman Ave. "Closed" is in quotes as there were plenty of cars weaving in and out of the barriers. There were also very few people making use of the street closures on a beautiful day. A big difference from the large number of people making use of 34th Ave. during the vehicle closure here in Jackson Heights. The difference demonstrates how badly we need something like this.

Has anyone else seen how other neighborhoods are utilizing the closures (or not).
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: toddg on June 02, 2020, 09:45:21 PM
I was also in Sunnyside this weekend, and I had a similar impression.  I didn't see any cars driving on the "open streets" (as the city calls them), but I didn't see anybody walking on them either.   A big contrast with Jackson Heights, where I saw people of all ages enjoying the additional open space.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: Yankswun98 on June 02, 2020, 09:57:28 PM
34th is packed with people to the point where social distancing is not happening.  The garbage is beginning to pile up on the median and on both sides of the street.  Cars need to be moved and sweeping must occur on both sides.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: CaptainFlannel on June 03, 2020, 06:47:21 AM
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A big difference from the large number of people making use of 34th Ave. during the vehicle closure here in Jackson Heights. The difference demonstrates how badly we need something like this.

I think it also demonstrates how often people just don't leave their comfort zone. I'll do the loop on 34th Avenue in the mornings, when the weather isn't ideal, or if I'm walking somewhere in the neighborhood (like to drop off a donation to Covid Care Network), but mostly if I'm out for a walk for exercise, I'm not heading there because of the crowding. While it's not so crowded to cause me great anxiety inducing concern, cross Northern Blvd., and the neighborhood isn't nearly as dense. You don't encounter a lot of people on the sidewalks, it's easier to let down your mask to air out, you can find some grass to rest on over at Landing Lights park, and it has the benefit of hills.

I see why people with kids and limited mobility might stick to 34th Ave., but I'm a little puzzled why adults out for a solo jog during peak usage would pick it.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: itsit on June 03, 2020, 01:44:45 PM
The 34th Ave Open Streets has calmed down quite a bit. Lot's of people are finding the sidewalks less busy than the street and are using them for better social distancing. My info on a few other areas with street closures is that they are not well used or all that popular. It will be interesting to see when the playgrounds open, along with the dog runs and the gyms, who will be the biggest users of 34th Ave? The bikers have mostly moved off the street and are possibly are on 32nd Ave?, not sure. Going around the barriers now doesn't make for a good biking experience. It would be good to know what the potential plans are going forward, even what is on the table, so that the community can weigh in the ideas before anything just appears.

Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: 80JHer on June 03, 2020, 03:02:55 PM
Cars need to be moved everywhere.  Being back alternate side parking rules! The streets of JH are disgusting. I’ve never seen it so dirty
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: JHMNY on June 03, 2020, 06:29:23 PM
Great video from Streetfilms on the 34th Avenue Open Street.

YouTube:

Miracle on 34th Avenue: NYC's Best Open Street is in Queens (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6NU4ThHz2U&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3oz4eOyp7R-f5xxW3dYQVi1HknIySs3gXynW0arAZI--cUFFvH6B_Ttfw)
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: itsit on June 03, 2020, 07:30:10 PM
 The amount of political messaging here, including actual electeds and candidates, t shirts, etc. feels weirdly propagandist. Nothing but sunshine about the Open Streets? Is this film a political reel for someone? As pleasant as it is, feels imbalanced in it's point of view unless it was supposed to feel this way as a sponsored piece.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: dssjh on June 03, 2020, 09:08:36 PM
The amount of political messaging here, including actual electeds and candidates, t shirts, etc. feels weirdly propagandist. Nothing but sunshine about the Open Streets? Is this film a political reel for someone? As pleasant as it is, feels imbalanced in it's point of view unless it was supposed to feel this way as a sponsored piece.

give a rebuttal, then. i've not heard anything negative from any of our neighbors. if you have an axe to grind, grind it. this is an open forum.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 03, 2020, 09:44:46 PM
YES! Keep 34th Ave OPEN.

Brilliant.  :)
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: Benoit on June 04, 2020, 10:09:09 AM
One silver lining to all of this, no repetitive parades all summer long.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: dssjh on June 04, 2020, 10:34:42 AM
thankfully, people can still arrange parade-like events in decorated vehicles with loudspeakers -- joyful, but socially distanced. celebrating our cultures makes NYC great.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: JackM on June 04, 2020, 05:01:23 PM
It's wonderful seeing 34th Street so used.  Obviously, people were craving space.  What this shows me is what a lack of open public space we have in this neighborhood.  Travers Park is wonderful but much too small for our population.  The more closed streets we have the more space our residents will have.  Hey, here's a wild idea:  How about closing some streets permanently and converting them into park spaces with lawns, pathways, trees, and benches?  Perhaps a few blocks on 34th and a few on 37th.   
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: Yankswun98 on June 11, 2020, 12:35:36 AM
Cars need to be moved everywhere.  Being back alternate side parking rules! The streets of JH are disgusting. I’ve never seen it so dirty

34th is disgusting with garbage on the street, side walks and center flower beds.  It needs to be closed for a day with all cars removes so it can be cleaned.  The streets between Northern and 34th are also filled with trash due to the heavy increase in foot traffic as people come from East Elmhurst to walk on 34th. Why isn't the city providing street cleaning? 
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: Junior Minty on June 22, 2020, 04:16:53 PM
I came across this and believe it is a fair representation of the successful shut down of 34th Ave as an Open Street. I hope that it becomes a ritual every Spring and Summer!

https://vimeo.com/424830957
 (https://vimeo.com/424830957)
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: ShinjukuBaby on June 28, 2020, 05:53:20 AM
Hopefully they will eventually remove all cars from 34th, tear out the road and make the entire stretch a park.  There is a spot or two where you'd need a lane so buildings could have access to their garage and you might need to make a lane available for emergency vehicles on some blocks, but there's no reason the whole thing shouldn't be a green space and recreational area.  Obviously the city budget isn't going to be able to pay for that in the foreseeable future, but we should aim high. 
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: itsit on June 28, 2020, 07:23:18 AM
Hopefully they will eventually remove all cars from 34th, tear out the road and make the entire stretch a park.  There is a spot or two where you'd need a lane so buildings could have access to their garage and you might need to make a lane available for emergency vehicles on some blocks, but there's no reason the whole thing shouldn't be a green space and recreational area.  Obviously the city budget isn't going to be able to pay for that in the foreseeable future, but we should aim high. 
  I would wait and see how the pandemic response goes. In my opinion, the smooth flow of traffic on 34th Ave under normal times makes all the other streets work in JH. If you upset this ecosystem, it may cost you in balance in other parts of the neighborhood with two major commercial streets and one heavily used bus route. I think this could work on a weekend as a street closure though, but during the school year, the many schools that are on or nearby 34th Ave would be nightmarish for people to navigate if there was a full time closure.

Also the bike lane on 34th Ave has been long established and is heavily used as a commuter and recreational bike route. Yes, we could use more space but wonder if we are accommodating the people who live in JH only or have we created a destination for people to be outdoors like LIC or Rockaway and do we really want that in this dense neighborhood at this time? I think there is a fair amount of concern and all voices need to be heard here, for and against.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 28, 2020, 09:04:56 AM
Hopefully they will eventually remove all cars from 34th, tear out the road and make the entire stretch a park.  There is a spot or two where you'd need a lane so buildings could have access to their garage and you might need to make a lane available for emergency vehicles on some blocks, but there's no reason the whole thing shouldn't be a green space and recreational area.  Obviously the city budget isn't going to be able to pay for that in the foreseeable future, but we should aim high. 
  I would wait and see how the pandemic response goes. In my opinion, the smooth flow of traffic on 34th Ave under normal times makes all the other streets work in JH. If you upset this ecosystem, it may cost you in balance in other parts of the neighborhood with two major commercial streets and one heavily used bus route. I think this could work on a weekend as a street closure though, but during the school year, the many schools that are on or nearby 34th Ave would be nightmarish for people to navigate if there was a full time closure.

Also the bike lane on 34th Ave has been long established and is heavily used as a commuter and recreational bike route. Yes, we could use more space but wonder if we are accommodating the people who live in JH only or have we created a destination for people to be outdoors like LIC or Rockaway and do we really want that in this dense neighborhood at this time? I think there is a fair amount of concern and all voices need to be heard here, for and against.

This is a great idea. And fear of outsiders coming in is no reason to not implement it.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: theplanesland on June 28, 2020, 09:25:44 AM
  I would wait and see how the pandemic response goes. In my opinion, the smooth flow of traffic on 34th Ave under normal times makes all the other streets work in JH. If you upset this ecosystem, it may cost you in balance in other parts of the neighborhood with two major commercial streets and one heavily used bus route. I think this could work on a weekend as a street closure though, but during the school year, the many schools that are on or nearby 34th Ave would be nightmarish for people to navigate if there was a full time closure.

Also the bike lane on 34th Ave has been long established and is heavily used as a commuter and recreational bike route. Yes, we could use more space but wonder if we are accommodating the people who live in JH only or have we created a destination for people to be outdoors like LIC or Rockaway and do we really want that in this dense neighborhood at this time? I think there is a fair amount of concern and all voices need to be heard here, for and against.

So first of all, people do not generally drive to the schools on 34th Avenue - they're very much neighborhood schools (and IS145 isn't desirable enough to draw kids from far away ... sigh.) There are definitely school buses, but those can absolutely work with the "5mph only, turn off at the next block" rule without a problem.

I've been riding my bike on 34ave and that also seems totally compatible with the car-free street. No problems there.

I don't think people will come from far away, or are coming from far away, just to walk down a street with no other attractions or entertainment. There's no view, no seashore, no playfields. The success of 34ave speaks to how starved JH is for open space; anyone with a park will probably go to their park.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: JHResident on June 28, 2020, 10:43:22 AM
Cars need to be moved everywhere.  Being back alternate side parking rules! The streets of JH are disgusting. I’ve never seen it so dirty

34th is disgusting with garbage on the street, side walks and center flower beds.  It needs to be closed for a day with all cars removes so it can be cleaned.  The streets between Northern and 34th are also filled with trash due to the heavy increase in foot traffic as people come from East Elmhurst to walk on 34th. Why isn't the city providing street cleaning?
Or how about the people who sponsored and requested this street closure actually clean the streets and center median and move the barricades when local traffic has to pass through. It seems like there is no one present until after 8 pm. If anyone wants to make this permanent, there has to be more community participation.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: dssjh on June 28, 2020, 11:37:25 AM
if i could change one thing about the way the open street works, i'd ban electric bikes. during a short trip to the farmers' market and a short walk after, i saw at least a dozen whizzing by at high speed, weaving through pedestrians. that's not much different than allowing cars.
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: letisha on July 10, 2020, 03:15:28 PM
This article has a lot of cool visuals showing NYC Open Streets of the past (like Park Ave) and what they could like in the future

It made me really excited to think about 34th St would look like if it were permanently closed to traffic!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/opinion/ban-cars-manhattan-cities.html
Title: Re: 34th Avenue "Open Street"
Post by: itsit on July 10, 2020, 03:25:48 PM
 I think it's actually 37th Ave that needs to be closed to traffic at least part of every day. The traffic flow along 34th Ave under normal times is what keeps the rest of JH from being too clogged up. I did think that article was great though. Hard to imagine that Park Avenue was once really a park!
Title: Play Streets’ to open across NYC, including three in Jackson Heights
Post by: jh35 on July 25, 2020, 09:20:11 AM
https://qns.com/story/2020/07/24/play-streets-to-open-across-nyc-including-three-in-jackson-heights/?utm_source=QNS&utm_campaign=bf795efdfb-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_04_11_07_57_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_aa3b60b1d0-bf795efdfb-181622773&mc_cid=bf795efdfb&mc_eid=a0a3dc3933 (https://qns.com/story/2020/07/24/play-streets-to-open-across-nyc-including-three-in-jackson-heights/?utm_source=QNS&utm_campaign=bf795efdfb-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_04_11_07_57_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_aa3b60b1d0-bf795efdfb-181622773&mc_cid=bf795efdfb&mc_eid=a0a3dc3933)

‘Play Streets’ to open across NYC, including three in Jackson Heights

The three Play Street locations in Jackson Heights will all be on 34th Avenue, a street that’s currently being utilized for the Open Streets program. Kids will be free to play on 34th Avenue from 72nd Street to 74th Street, 79th Street to 80th Street and from 92nd Street to 94th Street from 10 a.m. until 4 p.m., on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. The program will run until Sep. 4.

In addition to the sporting and craft equipment, nonprofit Street Lab will provide 160 benches to Play Streets locations throughout the city.

My first thought on this is, What happens to the bicylists? Are they going to be riding around frolicing children?

(This idea seems very nice. I am not making a remark against children, frolicing or otherwise.)

Weren't the chidren "free" to play on these streets before this government program?

Title: Re: Play Streets’ to open across NYC, including three in Jackson Heights
Post by: frances on July 25, 2020, 10:10:18 AM
I am going to ignore your snide description of play streets as a government program.

My old block in Brooklyn was a play street. It was an awesome resource. Ours was run by the PAL, and they brought games, balls, tables, and COUNSELORS (it might have been part of Summer Youth, I'm not sure.) They opened a hydrant, and kids LOVED it. I'm glad we're getting it here, kids need it.

The streets are obviously not going to be so densely packed that people can't bike on them.
Title: Re: Play Streets’ to open across NYC, including three in Jackson Heights
Post by: Shelby2 on July 25, 2020, 06:00:25 PM
I'm a bit confused by it as well. Kids have been playing on these blocks as part of Open Streets. I see that more resources will be available for the "play" part -- meaning toys and games will be provided. But I wonder what's going to happen to the shared streets. I already have observed some accidents waiting to happen, with bicyclists and people riding scooters way faster than 5 mph. Also sometimes car drivers move the barriers so that they can access their building's garage. I'm not sure if any of these blocks have garage entrances on them.

At first glance, it seems like a good idea, but I've been out on 34th Ave often enough to see how chaotic it already gets in the afternoons, and I hope this has been well thought out.
Title: Re: Play Streets’ to open across NYC, including three in Jackson Heights
Post by: itsit on July 26, 2020, 01:34:49 PM
 Am not sure if the people who designated these streets actually live here or participated in the Open Streets. The area of 92-94sts seems fine but the other two choices are not so great,as I see it. The 79/80 block would be better served by opening a portion of the 79th St side yard of IS145 which is a much more appealing space during hot days or not- much more shade! And on 72/74, there are busy bus routes going both directions around IS230 and there have been numerous very close calls with people crossing right in front of the buses and forgetting about cross traffic. There is construction on both sides of 34th between 72/73 sts right now which is noisy and has supplies being delivered often. I would keep children far away from that area.
 
  Again, strongly think the use of IS230's cafeteria in a monitored way would greatly augment the play area across the street which is a pretty decent track and play space with benches. I know we need to be outside as much as we can but anyone who has been a camper knows that you need to alternate especially during this extreme heat with indoors and out. Oddly enough, the blocks between 69th/70th have the most children for many hours of the day and the most wide open area, but they got nothing! Strange planning here.