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Title: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: Shelby2 on December 31, 2019, 08:22:14 AM
There's a new Queens bus redesign in the works and it appears they are completely eliminating the Q49. I've taken the Q49 multiple times and it's always packed because it's useful and important for those on 35th Ave from 77th St. to 88th St.

It also looks like the Q32 and Q33 will be eliminated as well, so there will no longer be bus service that travels on Roosevelt between 82nd and 74th. What are they thinking?

You can voice your displeasure here:
https://new.mta.info/queensbusredesign

(https://i.imgur.com/g9i38nl.png?1)

Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: lalochezia on December 31, 2019, 08:42:55 AM
This is a HUGE replanning of a complex system, and I'm sure there will be something for everyone to love and hate.

If you take the bus at all in queens, it's vital you read it.....

Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: Shelby2 on December 31, 2019, 09:05:33 AM
I just know that when I couldn't walk well due to a foot injury, the Q49 was a life saver. I wonder how many other people in the JH historic district who live off of 35th Ave also have mobility issues, etc. and can't deal with the 8 to 15 minute walk to the subway (depending on where they live).
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: francis on December 31, 2019, 09:17:25 AM
Outrageous! How will the people who live in East Elmhurst each the subway?
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: theplanesland on December 31, 2019, 10:10:15 AM
Outrageous! How will the people who live in East Elmhurst each the subway?

Quickly and directly along one of those north/south routes, it looks like.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: StevenGrey on December 31, 2019, 10:49:15 AM
I honestly don't take buses all that often, but after looking through the proposal and draft map, it seems like they've decided to simplify routes by making them primarily north-south or east-west between two endpoints, with important connections to the subway system.

My first concern is that they have practically eliminated buses that will take passengers directly into Manhattan, meaning a subway transfer will be necessary to complete your trip. Not ideal for the elderly or disabled.

My second concern is that this system will require people to transfer between bus lines more often, an unreliable proposition given how NYC Transit seems unable to keep buses to their schedules, and an uncomfortable proposition in inclement weather.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: r on December 31, 2019, 04:14:55 PM
So the only East/West buses will be on Northern now? We lose buses on 35th and on Roosevelt?

Eve though the 7 train is the "best" train in NYC, it's a bit silly to funnel everyone to the 7 given how unreliable it still is

e.g. just yesterday:

Due to a signal malfunction, 7 train service is suspended in both directions between 34 St-Hudson Yards in Manhattan and Queensboro Plaza in Queens. www.mta.info.  http://on.nyc.gov/2gFqaVT.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: Shelby2 on December 31, 2019, 05:00:27 PM
So the only East/West buses will be on Northern now? We lose buses on 35th and on Roosevelt?

Eve though the 7 train is the "best" train in NYC, it's a bit silly to funnel everyone to the 7 given how unreliable it still is

e.g. just yesterday:

Due to a signal malfunction, 7 train service is suspended in both directions between 34 St-Hudson Yards in Manhattan and Queensboro Plaza in Queens. www.mta.info.  http://on.nyc.gov/2gFqaVT.

Not only that, but the only north-south route that connects to the main hub at 74th St. is the bus running on 75th St. It seems to me a lot of the people on that route could already walk or get to the 74th St. hub within 10 minutes or so. So now if you have an E or F train to catch and you don't like walking distance to that 75th St. bus route, you have to get on a bus that takes you only to a 7 train stop, or, in the case of the bus running north-south on 88th St., you could connect to the Queens Blvd line but only the local stops.

To me, it looks like it makes everyone's commute worse, or at the very least it involves a lot more walking. Some people who take the bus don't walk well and that's why they are on the bus in the first place.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: r on December 31, 2019, 08:04:37 PM
It looks like the Q53 is also dead, which is/was the best bus in Queens.

There is a partial replacement for it, but the replacement starts at Queens Center and doesn't come to Jackson Heights or Woodside anymore.

Is there anything good about this plan? All I can see are bad changes
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: dssjh on December 31, 2019, 11:41:50 PM
i'm torn. we live on 35th. first floor. bus stop more or less right outside. less idling and noise would be positive, but i would hate to see our neighbors be inconvenienced -- the 49 is really essential to so many people that i'd fight to keep it in place.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: JK resident on January 01, 2020, 01:30:05 AM
It is like a drunk designed the new bus map.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: Shelby2 on January 01, 2020, 11:32:53 AM
There's an outreach session on Wed. Jan 8 from 4 to 7 pm at the 74th St. station. If these bus changes will affect you and your neighbors, please show up.

https://qns.com/story/2019/12/31/mta-releases-draft-plan-for-redrawing-of-queens-bus-routed-with-emphasis-on-public-feedback/?fbclid=IwAR122XZyWYp73D-wIVu9AfpeMCLh_9lGuy8y7n7zaR4sjCFochi5DOtNgnw

There are also public workshops at other times listed in the link above, but none are in Jackson Heights. There is one in Corona.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: Meowtron on January 01, 2020, 02:32:33 PM
It’s super tricky... would love to maintain some semblance of the Q49 for sure (at least horizontally to 74th street), but perhaps with less stops and stops concentrated on blocks furthest from the train like 85th, 93rd/94th, 78th.

I do like the service to elmhurst though. It makes it easier to get to queens center mall which is tougher for people out in the mid 80’s. (Always a long walk and transfer or a bus and a transfer)

Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: earbears on January 01, 2020, 05:38:00 PM
The elimination of the Q49, Q33 and Q32 bus routes will have drastic negative impacts on the Jackson Heights community. There will no longer be any busses going east-west to take people to and from the 74th Street Roosevelt ave subway station. It will prohibit people living within a wide neighborhood from traveling east-west. This will be a severe detriment to the entire neighborhood and especially to older adults, people with disabilities, people with young children, and families taking their children to and from our local schools. This redesign will create inequity in our neighborhood and leave vulnerable populations stranded, unable to access the subway and the wider community.

PLEASE SIGN AND SHARE THIS LINK ON YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE & GROUPS. ALSO EMAIL TO FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS. Thank you.

https://www.change.org/p/mta-east-west-bus-routes-must-continue-in-jackson-heights?cs_tk=Am_jUlSWQNtVADQDEV4AAXicyyvNyQEABF8BvGAd4nKyEiAm0nOebwHohyo%3D&utm_campaign=d49cb58849c842088fcf6d3d54016eac&utm_content=initial_v0_0_1&utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_signer_receipt&utm_term=cs
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: jeanette on January 01, 2020, 07:28:37 PM
There's an outreach session on Wed. Jan 8 from 4 to 7 pm at the 74th St. station. If these bus changes will affect you and your neighbors, please show up.

https://qns.com/story/2019/12/31/mta-releases-draft-plan-for-redrawing-of-queens-bus-routed-with-emphasis-on-public-feedback/?fbclid=IwAR122XZyWYp73D-wIVu9AfpeMCLh_9lGuy8y7n7zaR4sjCFochi5DOtNgnw

There are also public workshops at other times listed in the link above, but none are in Jackson Heights. There is one in Corona.

Where's ToddG? I would think he'd be able to shed some light on this topic.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: jeanette on January 01, 2020, 07:30:11 PM
It is like a drunk designed the new bus map.

I wouldn't doubt that bike lanes and bike safety, your bailiwick, has something to do with the restructuring.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: JHResident on January 01, 2020, 08:01:54 PM
It wouldn't hurt to read the study before commenting about the reasons.  I suspect this will lower resale values along 35th Avenue, since the distance from the subway has been a negative for many prospective buyers already. The goal seems to be to speed up service, but for whom? Seems to me ridership will go down if 35th and Roosevelt and 82nd and 83rd riders have to walk.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: theplanesland on January 01, 2020, 09:25:49 PM
It is like a drunk designed the new bus map.

No, not at all. The map was designed with some rules that folks around here are debating:

* All subway stops are equal. The goal is to get people onto some form of subway, as fast as possible. (New Q49)
* People do not generally ride a bus beyond the subway. Once a bus hits a subway station, it might as well become a new route. (New Q66)
* Broadway in Elmhurst is too traffic-choked for any bus to run along it. (New Q52)
* There is no reason to run a bus under a subway line which has frequent stops. (Eliminate Q32)

Now ... we are pointing out that some of these assumptions are wrong. The 74th Street stop is more valuable as a destination than 82nd or 90th are. Schoolkids take the Q66 past the subway into Astoria/LIC to get to school. Too many 7 stations are not wheelchair accessible, so that's part of the point of the Q32. This is now the public comment period where we get to make those specific concerns known.

The thing about the 52/53 ... the bus people are right. That run down Broadway through Elmhurst is impassable. But the answer is a bus lane, not eliminating the line.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: theplanesland on January 01, 2020, 09:29:21 PM
It wouldn't hurt to read the study before commenting about the reasons.  I suspect this will lower resale values along 35th Avenue, since the distance from the subway has been a negative for many prospective buyers already. The goal seems to be to speed up service, but for whom? Seems to me ridership will go down if 35th and Roosevelt and 82nd and 83rd riders have to walk.

The new QT10 will run up/down 82nd/83rd. So people along that axis get a bus.

Part of the logic here - and I get it - is that 35th and Roosevelt should not need buses. Roosevelt has a train that stops every 8 blocks and comes every few minutes and carries massively more people than a bus. 35th is two blocks from that train line, and also two blocks from a hopefully more frequent Q66 bus line.

I'm much more concerned about how the middle schoolers who use the Q66 will get to school now that it terminates at 48th Street, and ultimately I think we should still have the Q53 beach bus from the 74th Street hub.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: Shelby2 on January 01, 2020, 10:10:37 PM
It wouldn't hurt to read the study before commenting about the reasons.  I suspect this will lower resale values along 35th Avenue, since the distance from the subway has been a negative for many prospective buyers already. The goal seems to be to speed up service, but for whom? Seems to me ridership will go down if 35th and Roosevelt and 82nd and 83rd riders have to walk.

The new QT10 will run up/down 82nd/83rd. So people along that axis get a bus.

Part of the logic here - and I get it - is that 35th and Roosevelt should not need buses. Roosevelt has a train that stops every 8 blocks and comes every few minutes and carries massively more people than a bus. 35th is two blocks from that train line, and also two blocks from a hopefully more frequent Q66 bus line.

I'm much more concerned about how the middle schoolers who use the Q66 will get to school now that it terminates at 48th Street, and ultimately I think we should still have the Q53 beach bus from the 74th Street hub.

if you live at, for example, 86th between 34th and 35th, and you need to catch the E or F train, you can take the Q49 and get to the 74th St. hub. The new bus lines eliminate that possibility entirely. Yes, you could (in this future plan) walk to 88th St. and catch a bus, but that bus only takes you to the 7 train. I believe that many people who use the bus are doing so due to limited mobility, or they are carrying a suitcase or pushing a stroller, and the only access to elevators to a train line are at 74th St.

I think this is a huge mistake. I personally don't take the bus that often, but the times I've needed it due to an injury, I really couldn't do without it.

Whoever came up with this plan does not realize how many people in this area are elderly or don't walk well or are pushing strollers, etc.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: toddg on January 01, 2020, 10:18:42 PM
Just returning from vacation.   What did I miss?

As Jeanette guessed, this is the type of topic I tend to get excited about.  I haven't read MTA's plan yet, so I'll save my personal views for another time.  In general, I agree with the way "theplanesland" is thinking about this.   Here's some additional context:

1. MTA's Queens bus network is really old.  Many of these routes trace century-old streetcar lines, or were inherited from defunct private bus carriers.
2. Some transit agencies can routinely tweak and optimize their networks, but others are so heavily regulated that they cannot do that easily.  MTA is squarely in the latter category -- state law requires extensive public hearings and outreach for even minor route changes, and even small details of its budget are used for football in Albany.  In places like this, a public transit network can grow more and more out of step with the evolving needs of the city it serves.
3. To address this situation, there is a growing trend nationwide of transit agencies undertaking a "clean slate" redesign of their bus networks.  The details vary by agency, but the general goal is to reoptimize service for the public under limited resources.  There are always trade-offs -- for example, you can run buses faster by removing some of the stops, or you can run more frequent service by reducing the number of routes.  MTA is trying to achieve a new balance that brings benefits to the riding public while also attracting new passengers into the system.
4. MTA's proposed redesign is the result of a serious research and planning effort, but it isn't finished.  Public input and feedback are a fundamental part of their process.  If you're interested, I recommend that you review what they're proposing, think about how this will affect your decision to ride the bus in the future, and let the MTA know what you think.
- If you do use the bus, look at the trips you take and see how those trips will change.  Think about bus frequencies and speeds as well as the directness of the trips between your true origin and destination.
- Also take a look at trips within Queens that you make frequently, but drive or take a taxi/car service because the bus is not convenient.  Does this proposal make the bus a better candidate for any of those trips?
- Definitely provide feedback to the MTA. 

Here's where to find more information:
https://new.mta.info/queensbusredesign

And here's background on network redesign efforts:
http://transitcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Proceedings-3.pdf
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25487/comprehensive-bus-network-redesigns





Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: theplanesland on January 01, 2020, 10:21:17 PM
if you live at, for example, 86th between 34th and 35th, and you need to catch the E or F train, you can take the Q49 and get to the 74th St. hub. The new bus lines eliminate that possibility entirely. Yes, you could (in this future plan) walk to 88th St. and catch a bus, but that bus only takes you to the 7 train.

Right, I think one (understandable) mistake in this plan is that it appears to be predicated on the idea that "all subway stops are equally desirable." So that's some input they need.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: JK resident on January 02, 2020, 03:09:59 AM
I don’t think the need for protected bike lanes has anything to do with these new bus routes. Obviously everyone wants to go to 74th street station in the morning. The Q33 going to Queens Center mall is absurd.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: theplanesland on January 02, 2020, 09:27:55 AM
I don’t think the need for protected bike lanes has anything to do with these new bus routes. Obviously everyone wants to go to 74th street station in the morning. The Q33 going to Queens Center mall is absurd.

I've been looking more closely at the map and they really seem to be trying to drive people -away- from the 74th Street stop, I think because of perceived congestion on the surrounding streets. They're also keeping buses off of Roosevelt, once again I think because of impassable congestion.

Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: Shelby2 on January 02, 2020, 09:32:00 AM
I don’t think the need for protected bike lanes has anything to do with these new bus routes. Obviously everyone wants to go to 74th street station in the morning. The Q33 going to Queens Center mall is absurd.

I've been looking more closely at the map and they really seem to be trying to drive people -away- from the 74th Street stop, I think because of perceived congestion on the surrounding streets. They're also keeping buses off of Roosevelt, once again I think because of impassable congestion.

I noticed the same thing. However, I think that's really unfair to make all routes go to places other than the one place everyone wants/needs to go.

I also think the accessibility thing (elevators) is going to be a huge problem for many who take the bus. If you're taking the bus because it's too hard to walk a few blocks, then it makes absolutely no sense to deliver all those people who can't walk or take stairs to train stations where the only way to enter is through several flights of stairs.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: toddg on January 02, 2020, 01:43:10 PM
I also think the accessibility thing (elevators) is going to be a huge problem for many who take the bus. If you're taking the bus because it's too hard to walk a few blocks, then it makes absolutely no sense to deliver all those people who can't walk or take stairs to train stations where the only way to enter is through several flights of stairs.

This is an excellent point.  Comments that focus on a loss of access by passengers with disabilities are likely be taken very seriously.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: abcdefghijk on January 02, 2020, 04:25:16 PM
The Q53 is the bus of dreams to get to Rockaway Beach from JH in summer.

No way can they eliminate it!

Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: hagsrus on January 02, 2020, 05:53:28 PM
"The Q53 is the bus of dreams to get to Rockaway Beach from JH in summer."

Not to mention Elmhurst hospital & Trader Joe!
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: ellenpratt on January 04, 2020, 10:19:51 AM
Putting a directly personal spin on this, I am an older person with knees that can prevent me from walks of much more than a block or two. I live on 35th Ave. I walk every day as much as I can. My son lives 12 blocks away off of 35th. I frequently take the 49 to his street and walk the half block to his building. There are days when I simply can't walk 12 blocks, no matter how interesting the podcast I'm listening to.

I also take the bus from Roosevelt station to 35th Avenue when I'm coming back from Manhattan. Sometimes I just have to favor my knees and the pain from walking. I really hope the east-west corridor on 35th stays in place.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: JH3525 on January 04, 2020, 12:47:58 PM
It will be very interesting to see how this effects real estate especially cooperatives in Jackson Heights.  If I was purchasing and needed to use the 74th St subway station each day, I would avoid purchasing above 79 St. 
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: Jeffsayyes on January 04, 2020, 01:05:17 PM
I'm glad theyre taking it off 74th street. A bus on that street is ridiculous. I think it should be closed off to traffic entirely
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: r on January 04, 2020, 02:29:55 PM
It will be very interesting to see how this effects real estate especially cooperatives in Jackson Heights.  If I was purchasing and needed to use the 74th St subway station each day, I would avoid purchasing above 79 St.
The Towers seems especially screwed by this, I know a few people in that area who catch buses to 74th because it is about a 15-20min walk otherwise.

Meanwhile The Towers continues to have crazy prices e.g. $1.35m for this: https://streeteasy.com/building/33_40-81-street-jackson_heights/22
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: Di_11372 on January 04, 2020, 05:07:01 PM
Let us not forget all people that live at 1 of the furthest addresses in JH, in the massive Coop The Northridge. I lived there for 6 yrs and relied on the bus to 74th several days a week.

This is scary news for JH Real Estate agents for sure....
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: JHResident on January 04, 2020, 07:26:31 PM
I'm glad theyre taking it off 74th street. A bus on that street is ridiculous. I think it should be closed off to traffic entirely
The posted map shows a bus on 75th, presumably the replacement for the Q47. However, 75th is one way after 37th Ave. I suspect the northbound bus will still go up 74th St. I'm going to try to find better resolution copies of the proposed new routes and post them if I can.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: JHResident on January 04, 2020, 07:37:04 PM
So the Q47 will be replaced by the QT61, map is at
https://new.mta.info/system_modernization/bus_network/queensbusredesign/routes/qt61  (https://new.mta.info/system_modernization/bus_network/queensbusredesign/routes/qt61)
It looks like they're going to get rid of the Glendale portion and tack on some of the Q32 JH to Manhattan route. It shows the bus going up 75th at least as faR as Northern, then apparently going up 77th Street. I guess they plan on making 75th St two way?
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: toddg on January 04, 2020, 10:19:38 PM
I guess they plan on making 75th St two way?

Don't take the route details literally.  They are intended to be conceptual, to facilitate discussion about what markets are being served.   Detailed routings and stop locations will be determined in a future phase of the effort.  Your earlier guess that the northbound part of the route would use 74th Street seems like a reasonable assumption for the time being.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: abcdefghijk on January 05, 2020, 09:57:39 AM
By cutting bus services, the MTA have (perhaps inadvertently) targeted the old, disabled and those physically/psychologically unable to negotiate the subway system.

The MTA obviously believe the subway is a better way to travel around NYC. And I agree. It is.

But only for those either young or fit enough to ride it.

The NYC subway does take a certain amount of stamina to use...I can see that...

Title: Reduced Bus Service For Jackson Heights
Post by: mbassman on January 05, 2020, 10:33:22 PM
The MTA is redesigning Queens bus routes and schedules from scratch.  The draft plan was just released on January 2nd.  If you live in Jackson Heights, you should be concerned, as our service will be reduced and our commutes lengthened.  We will lose all the buses that take us to the 74th st/Roosevelt subway station, buses will be less frequent, and some night service eliminated altogether. 

What can we do about this?  The plan is in draft state now.  Feedback to the MTA – directly and through our elected representatives - is critical in January and February

Please make every effort to attend the only MTA feedback session near us – in Corona, speak to our state and city reps, and register your feedback on the MTA website.

Here is a summary of the changes and their impact to Jackson Heights, feel free to use this in your communications with our representatives and the MTA.

The MTA’s draft Queens Bus Redesign plan will make Jackson Heights bus service significantly worse, and needs to be fixed before planning goes any further.

-   Removes east-west service to 74th Street/Roosevelt subway.
   The Q49, Q32, and Q33 will be eliminated.  The proposed QT10 and QT72 are north/south lines stopping at Roosevelt, which forces commuters to walk or take the #7 to get to 74th street subway hub.    Only 74th street is accessible via elevator, so the infirm will lose access to the subway.  The proposed QT61 will run north/south to Roosevelt along 75th street, isolating eastern Jackson Heights.

-   Removes east-west service to Long Island City and the Queensbridge express subway stop.
   The Q66 will terminate at Northern and 54th, which forces commuters to take a second bus or a local subway.

-   Removes bus stops.
   North/South bus lines will stop every two avenues or less.  For instance, the QT10 (81/82 st.) will have one stop between Roosevelt/74th and northern, instead of three.  This will be quite difficult for the elderly or infirm.

-   Reduces and removes night-time service.
   It is unclear in the draft, but it appears night time service will be reduced to every 30 minutes (from 20 minutes today), and cease between midnight and 5 A.M., using the QT10 as the example.

Please attend this in-person MTA feedback session:
Thursday, January 30, 6pm
Langston Hughes Library and Cultural Center, 100-01 Northern Blvd Corona, NY 11368

Please add your comments on this plan on the MTA website here:
https://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/app/comments_queensbus?fbclid=IwAR0GX1JYOlnIgwWlQTjrXWvrs3MXiu8j09-MdEuaCr-gIotUr3vNtA9JK1Q (https://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/app/comments_queensbus?fbclid=IwAR0GX1JYOlnIgwWlQTjrXWvrs3MXiu8j09-MdEuaCr-gIotUr3vNtA9JK1Q)

Please call our representatives – calls are treated with more importance than email:
State Senator Jessica Ramos
718-205-3881
email: ramos@nysenate.gov

City Councilman Danny Dromm
718-803-6373
email: dromm@council.nyc.gov

State Assemblyman Michael DenDekker
718-457-0384
email: DenDekkerM@nyassembly.gov


The overview of the MTA Bus Redesign Plan is here:
https://new.mta.info/system_modernization/bus_network/queensbusredesign/draftplan (https://new.mta.info/system_modernization/bus_network/queensbusredesign/draftplan)

The detailed full plan is here:
https://new.mta.info/document/12706 (https://new.mta.info/document/12706)

Please add your name to a petition regarding east-west bus service available here:
https://www.change.org/p/mta-east-west-bus-routes-must-continue-in-jackson-heights?recruiter=1031970289&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_abi&utm_term=psf_combo_share_abi&recruited_by_id=9f866ac0-2d0e-11ea-9b05-69fe94b02004&share_bandit_exp=abi-19889736-en-US&share_bandit_var=v1&utm_content=fht-19889736-en-us%3Av2 (https://www.change.org/p/mta-east-west-bus-routes-must-continue-in-jackson-heights?recruiter=1031970289&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_abi&utm_term=psf_combo_share_abi&recruited_by_id=9f866ac0-2d0e-11ea-9b05-69fe94b02004&share_bandit_exp=abi-19889736-en-US&share_bandit_var=v1&utm_content=fht-19889736-en-us%3Av2)

Title: Outreach session Wednesday Jan 8 - 74th st station, 4-7pm
Post by: mbassman on January 06, 2020, 09:16:45 AM
I understand the MTA will have representatives at the 74thst/Roosevelt subway station this wednesday January 8th, from 4-7pm.  Please look out for them and give feedback!

Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: temujin on January 06, 2020, 01:15:54 PM
If MTA assume that most commuters will take subway, are they going to make all these newly design routes free then. As that will certain speed up the time and one of the reason for bus delay. Since we will eventually need to pay at the subway station.

Is the same for the airport bus, I never understand why they need to hire 3 agents to check ticket, other than try to scam tourist with $$$, I am sure most travelers doesn't stay in JH they most likely take the subway else where.

For 74th st, shouldn't they redesign that road or reroute the bus. That section alone take over 10 minutes. Maybe redesign the right side parking and make it to be always moving lane, change left parking to diagonal parking and have middle lane be standing.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: theplanesland on January 06, 2020, 03:01:51 PM
If MTA assume that most commuters will take subway, are they going to make all these newly design routes free then. As that will certain speed up the time and one of the reason for bus delay. Since we will eventually need to pay at the subway station.

Is the same for the airport bus, I never understand why they need to hire 3 agents to check ticket, other than try to scam tourist with $$$, I am sure most travelers doesn't stay in JH they most likely take the subway else where.

For 74th st, shouldn't they redesign that road or reroute the bus. That section alone take over 10 minutes. Maybe redesign the right side parking and make it to be always moving lane, change left parking to diagonal parking and have middle lane be standing.

The airport bus is free half the time anyway, on what appears to be a semi random basis. It should absolutely be free all the time.

As regards what you say about 74th ... I get the feeling this plan was made in a sense of total helplessness about changing anything about the streets. They would rather inconvenience thousands of people than slightly reconfigure parking or aggressively ticket. On Sunday half of the block of 73rd between 37 & 37 (you know what I mean) was double parked. It's like bus riders have the absolute lowest priority behind anyone with a car at all.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: temujin on January 06, 2020, 05:22:17 PM
If MTA assume that most commuters will take subway, are they going to make all these newly design routes free then. As that will certain speed up the time and one of the reason for bus delay. Since we will eventually need to pay at the subway station.

Is the same for the airport bus, I never understand why they need to hire 3 agents to check ticket, other than try to scam tourist with $$$, I am sure most travelers doesn't stay in JH they most likely take the subway else where.

For 74th st, shouldn't they redesign that road or reroute the bus. That section alone take over 10 minutes. Maybe redesign the right side parking and make it to be always moving lane, change left parking to diagonal parking and have middle lane be standing.

The airport bus is free half the time anyway, on what appears to be a semi random basis. It should absolutely be free all the time.

As regards what you say about 74th ... I get the feeling this plan was made in a sense of total helplessness about changing anything about the streets. They would rather inconvenience thousands of people than slightly reconfigure parking or aggressively ticket. On Sunday half of the block of 73rd between 37 & 37 (you know what I mean) was double parked. It's like bus riders have the absolute lowest priority behind anyone with a car at all.

Not really free, if you still pay for the subway as JH is not final destination for most travelers. And is free transfer if coming by subway to JH.

There is also problem with 74 station road configuration. Happens to me two times in the past, was on the bus just sit there for 10+ min at the traffic light. The whole street just jam each other up. The bus coming on 75st to station is stuck, the bus going out to 74 is stuck, cause 75th is blocking the intersection for cars and bus on roosevelt which then block bus going down 74th street.

Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: JHHD on January 07, 2020, 06:09:24 AM
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/01/07/op-ed-mtas-queens-bus-redesign-is-not-good-for-jackson-heights/
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: jh35 on January 07, 2020, 09:08:40 AM
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/01/07/op-ed-mtas-queens-bus-redesign-is-not-good-for-jackson-heights/

I have not heard anything from AOC on this. The last thing I remember from her about transit was when she said that people should jump over the turnstile in the subway.


I can not believe that they are getting rid of the bus to the beach in Rockaway. I have never been on it all the way to Rockaway but I have seen how much people enjoy going to the beach on that bus line. 
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: dotley on January 07, 2020, 09:10:30 AM
Probably the same mindset as the designers of the hunters point library
No understanding of the who and how of use
Lol but not funny
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: francis on January 07, 2020, 05:54:48 PM
I usually drive to work but had a meeting in the city yesterday. I waited for the Q49 for quire awhile.  Three buses passed my stop and did not pickup passengers because they were all too full.  Certainly there is a need for this route. Still not sure on the rationale as to why they want to get rid of it.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: hagsrus on January 07, 2020, 06:34:24 PM
I think "they" only see a sterile grid that needs to be simplified. They don't realize that there are actually people riding those buses. If everyone on the committee was required to make a trip accompanying a less-able rider perhaps their perspective would change.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: JHResident on January 07, 2020, 07:18:29 PM
Three buses passed my stop and did not pickup passengers because they were all too full.
That's my Q49 all right!
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: EmmBee on January 08, 2020, 01:11:21 AM
There's a lot that is bad about this new plan, but there are some silver linings, too.

For instance, the new QT4 is going to make us much better connected to Brooklyn.  It's good to space out the stops more so that the buses move faster.  The shorter routes like the new 66 come at a cost of needing to transfer (depending on your destination), but reliability is one of the big complaints right now, and this addresses that.

So, yes, we should pipe up and demand that the MTA fix the problems they created, but let's also be sure that we give them positive feedback about the things we want to keep.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: theplanesland on January 08, 2020, 08:53:54 AM
I usually drive to work but had a meeting in the city yesterday. I waited for the Q49 for quire awhile.  Three buses passed my stop and did not pickup passengers because they were all too full.  Certainly there is a need for this route. Still not sure on the rationale as to why they want to get rid of it.

If you're along 35th, "you should be walking to the 7" basically, because all 7 stops are the same and there is no reason you might want to go to a different train
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: earbears on January 08, 2020, 09:38:53 AM
Op-Ed: MTA’s Queens Bus Redesign is Not Good for Jackson Heights
by Jim Burke

An initial analysis in Streetsblog suggested that the MTA’s overall redesign of the Queens bus network had many positives. But specific and glaring problems are starting to emerge. We invited Jim Burke, a Queens resident, transit user and safe streets activist, to share his thoughts.n

I really had high hopes for the Queens bus redesign. I imagined speedier buses, fewer stops, all door boarding, camera enforced priority bus lanes, new destinations and access to more of New York City from all areas of Queens.

I am intimately familiar with the buses in Queens in general but specifically those in Jackson Heights and the Rockaways, having used them for over 30 years. After studying the changes to the Jackson Heights and Rockaway bus redesign, I am quite disappointed. I will focus on Jackson Heights because it has one of the best bus networks in Queens and will suffer some of the greatest losses under the proposed redesign.

Currently Jackson Heights has an excellent bus network that enables residents in Jackson Heights to travel just about the whole borough and beyond — to Manhattan, Rockaway, Flushing, East Elmhurst, Elmhurst, Corona, Woodside, Woodhaven, Sunnyside, Astoria, Long Island City, Howard Beach, Broad Channel, Rego Park, and LaGuardia — frequently by using one bus.

I have four main objections and areas of concern regarding the proposed redesign:

From the way the bus redesign has been done, it’s obviously planned to be revenue neutral so in order to beef up service in one neighborhood or go to new destinations it cuts service from elsewhere.
Its main objective is to take you to closest subway without causing any inconvenience to private cars or making any hard choices that would impact parking or travel lanes.
It assumes you want to or are physically able to or comfortable in taking the subway.
The bus redesigns focuses on some large institutions, but really fails to take into account the intrinsic attractions of a neighborhood itself.
Let’s break that down:

Revenue Neutral
Of course, the network in Jackson Heights could use some tweaks to make it better, but instead of building on its strength, the MTA has completely re-imagined it. Now it would require multiple buses to get to the above destinations, if possible at all. In many cases, service is being cut on just about every line in this neighborhood to save money.

Main Objective
The main goal of the redesign, it seems, is to get riders to the closest subway (while making assumption you want the subway).

Subways are often not physically accessible or desirable to everyone. There are lots of elderly people who have aged in place and strictly take the buses and others who simply prefer buses. The subways are overcrowded, especially in Jackson Heights. They are also being worked on and re-routed most nights, weekdays during the day and weekends. They will have spotty service off hours and will not be reliable for a number of years.

However, under the new design, the guiding principle is to bring you to the closest subway. Most buses like the current Q49, Q32, Q33 and Q53 will no longer go to the Roosevelt Hub. Instead, the redesign will focus on getting you to the closest subway stop, which will often be a less-desirable location without accessibility or express service.

For example, the Q49 replacement will bring you to the 7 train at 90th Street or the R/M at the Elmhurst Avenue instead of to the 74th Street/Jackson Heights hub that has elevators and links to the E, F, R, M and 7 trains, and a number of buses.

It’s the neighborhood
The re-design doesn’t take into account that many people are going to or in the direction of the 74th and Roosevelt hub are going for the neighborhood itself. They are traveling within or to the neighborhood for the Indian restaurants, Colombian places, the many bakeries, dance places, straight bars, gay bars, for Mexican tacos, gift shops, clothing stores, to hang out in Diversity Plaza, to sit and have coffee at Lety’s or Espresso 77, to go the library, to the Jewish Center for all of the senior programs or a political club or other community-wide events held there. Or to grab a burger at Emoji burger, get Thai or Tibetan food. Shop at Patel Brothers or the mom and pop stores.

None of our longtime buses will stop there any longer. How will residents get to these areas? How will visitors?

Those who take the Q66 to shop in Corona or Flushing they will still be able to do so. However, if you work or go to the movies in Astoria or go for Greek or Arab food, or to go to the superior parks located in Astoria or Long Island City or to grab the closest Citi Bike in Queens, you will be out of luck.

The Q66 replacement will only travel between Flushing and Woodside, so Astoria and Long Island City will no longer be accessible from the Q66, which will now drop you off at a local subway stop or force you to take other buses to get to where one bus will take you now.

The buses to Manhattan will also be a thing of the past.

For those who use the Q72 to go to Rego Park or to LaGuardia or any of the shops and restaurants on Junction, you are in luck — sort of. The MTA is proposing no changes — so it will remain the same slow, infrequent, unreliable bus you have come to loathe.

If you currently take the Q53 in either direction, you will be out of luck. One bus stop to the Woodside neighborhood and the LIRR station will be a thing of the past. After decades of reliable, one-seat service to the beach, you will need three buses to get to Rockaway Park under the redesign. Again no residents requested these changes to the Q53 — this is a service cut pure and simple.

With the advent of congestion pricing and the ongoing much needed subway repairs we should be adding more service to more neighborhoods not cutting what we have and simply redistributing it.

We all hoped when this bus redesign plan was announced it would be a much more efficient way for our buses to navigate the city. We imagined the bus would no longer stop every two blocks, it would come much more often, be more reliable and go to new places. We imagined camera enforced bus lanes, all-door boarding and New York City Transit working with DOT to eliminate choke points.

The Bus Redesign team demonstrates an inferiority complex about buses. They think no one wants to take buses, and if they do only, they take them only as a last resort or the means to get to the subway. They can’t possibly have talked to current bus riders in Jackson Heights. I can’t imagine anyone demanding less service, fewer destinations and less access to one of the most vibrant areas of Jackson Heights for residents and visitors alike.

The new design favors fewer and shorter bus routes that bring you to the closest subway station and out of the neighborhood. On paper and in an office that might seem efficient, but it’s not how life is lived in Queens. We love our buses and we want them to work for us.

Jim Burke is a safe streets and better public transportation activist. Follow him on Twitter @jimrockaway. He urges readers to make their opinion known to the MTA via the redesign comment page

Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: turtalia on January 08, 2020, 03:02:51 PM
A woman was making announcements about this on a Q49 earlier today with several side conversations about this thread and the petition coming up among riders.  It seemed like most of the bus was unaware of this redesign, so I made some info-flyers to make spreading the word a bit easier to offline bus riders.
There are two versions - you could print double sided for a full distribution of info. 
They can be found at this link in full page and half page options, as well as more colorful.

Folder of options: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yEdYIut2HeCVkwcnBoh-PLKd0xFX9VO7?usp=sharing
 (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yEdYIut2HeCVkwcnBoh-PLKd0xFX9VO7?usp=sharing)
direct to a file: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1tL3j4CLe6m8Tlx7lNkuyi_KUWQf4hleG (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1tL3j4CLe6m8Tlx7lNkuyi_KUWQf4hleG)

Feel free to print and use!
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: abcdefghijk on January 08, 2020, 03:03:39 PM
There's a lot that is bad about this new plan, but there are some silver linings, too.

For instance, the new QT4 is going to make us much better connected to Brooklyn.  It's good to space out the stops more so that the buses move faster.  The shorter routes like the new 66 come at a cost of needing to transfer (depending on your destination), but reliability is one of the big complaints right now, and this addresses that.

So, yes, we should pipe up and demand that the MTA fix the problems they created, but let's also be sure that we give them positive feedback about the things we want to keep.

Ok... I defintely agree with this QT4 to Brooklyn. Looks AWESOME. Finally an easy way to get to and from Ridgewood/Bushwick/Brooklyn...that's been my dream for ages...
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: itsit on January 08, 2020, 03:08:44 PM
 Yes, my family and a number of others in Jackson Heights make this interboro commute which is interminably
long right now. This bus would be great for us. Some of the other ideas I like also- stopping the Q66 earlier,
fewer stops on some routes. But save the Q32 although it doesn't have to go so far into Manhattan and could turn around once it's over the 59th st bridge, in my opinion, and riders could connect to other transit.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: toddg on January 08, 2020, 09:11:21 PM
What do people think of the QT61, an East Elmhurst-Midtown route similar in some ways to the Q32?
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: carrefour_ny on January 09, 2020, 09:18:09 AM
Yesterday, there were MTA reps at the Roosevelt Station, giving our brochures about the proposed plan. They said that feedback should be submitted online, on the MTA link that was posted earlier. Please use that to share your feedback.
Title: ALL 3 JH bus lines will be effected by route changes
Post by: Bel84 on January 10, 2020, 06:26:06 PM
It is not just the Q49 that will disappear. The Q33 will also and the Q32 route will be moved out of the 80's. If you think this doesn't effect you consider this.

If you drive and plan on being here forever the day might come when you need to take the bus.
If you are not planning on being here forever these changes will lower your  property values.

There is a public hearing on Wed, Jan 15 at 7PM in the Rumpus Room of Southbridge 1
33-04 93rd st.
Assemblyman DenDekker is holding it.

PLEASE COME!
Title: Re: ALL 3 JH bus lines will be effected by route changes
Post by: JH3525 on January 11, 2020, 10:55:54 AM
I agree that the property values will decrease in areas where these these buses are essential to reach the 74th St subway station.  However, property values could increase in an area where you can easily walk to the 74th St subway station.  Example:  The Carlton House at 3441 85th St is 1.30 miles round trip or 26 blocks.  The Berkeley 77 St is 0.58 miles round trip or 12 blocks.   

I can't imagine the Q49 being eliminated.  Why has this not been reported on NY! on "around the Boroughs" and the NY Daily News and the NY Post or did I miss it. 
Title: Re: ALL 3 JH bus lines will be effected by route changes
Post by: theplanesland on January 11, 2020, 06:51:09 PM
I agree that the property values will decrease in areas where these these buses are essential to reach the 74th St subway station.  However, property values could increase in an area where you can easily walk to the 74th St subway station.  Example:  The Carlton House at 3441 85th St is 1.30 miles round trip or 26 blocks.  The Berkeley 77 St is 0.58 miles round trip or 12 blocks.   

I can't imagine the Q49 being eliminated.  Why has this not been reported on NY! on "around the Boroughs" and the NY Daily News and the NY Post or did I miss it.

Nope. It has been reported by Gothamist and by our hyper local media like JH Post, QNS.com, etc. but the citywide legacy media have completely ignored the story. They do not seem interested. My thought is that because the story doesn't involve any personalities or hot button issues - it's not pro or anti Trump, AOC or Cuomo, it can't be used to argue about illegal immigration or whatever - it doesn't fit into any narratives.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: dssjh on January 11, 2020, 08:44:48 PM
i also think staff cuts - and resulting coverage cuts - at all those outlets have had some impact. the Daily News used to have sections dedicated to each borough, but those were among the first casualties of the desire to have all media be made available at no charge to the consumer. NY1 also used to have targeted borough coverage, but when Spectrum took over, those were mashed into one "other borough" melange.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: JK resident on January 12, 2020, 12:59:28 AM
The MTA is cutting service in less gentrified communities in order to add service and renovations to mass transit in LIC and Astoria. The buses here are packed with immigrants whose may not be lawfully present in the US and can’t vote.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: abcdefghijk on January 12, 2020, 09:45:34 AM
The MTA is cutting service in less gentrified communities in order to add service and renovations to mass transit in LIC and Astoria. The buses here are packed with immigrants whose may not be lawfully present in the US and can’t vote.

I wasn't going to respond to this because I have learned on the forum that it's best not to engage with folks who love trolling or are obsessive.

But really? Do you really believe this? Or r u simply being a classic troll...?
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: francis on January 12, 2020, 11:00:16 AM
I take the  Q49 on occasion. If I have a meeting in Manhattan or on the weekend.  Last week, 3 buses passed me by b/c of overcrowding.  I would venture to say that 98% of the people who take this bus, myself included,  are going to the train on 74th street. This translates into one fare that  pays for both bus and train service, which means a loss or revenue for the MTA.  I really hope that they keep the Q49 the way it is.  It would mean a hardship for all of us, especially the seniors
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: Chingwa on January 12, 2020, 12:24:47 PM
The MTA is cutting service in less gentrified communities in order to add service and renovations to mass transit in LIC and Astoria. The buses here are packed with immigrants whose may not be lawfully present in the US and can’t vote.
In the last 10 years this neighborhood has become more "gentrified" then it has been since the 1970's.  Not everything is because of "Racism and Bigotry".  Why are people so compelled to inject this BS into every discussion?
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: dssjh on January 12, 2020, 12:49:00 PM
The MTA is cutting service in less gentrified communities in order to add service and renovations to mass transit in LIC and Astoria. The buses here are packed with immigrants whose may not be lawfully present in the US and can’t vote.
In the last 10 years this neighborhood has become more "gentrified" then it has been since the 1970's.  Not everything is because of "Racism and Bigotry".  Why are people so compelled to inject this BS into every discussion?

because they're right wing obsessives. in JK's case.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on January 12, 2020, 01:26:45 PM
wow
Friends, Neighbors, People:
Drastic structural changes to bus service is clearly new policy. I'm sure you've heard of the  Green New Deal. I tried to gently broach this with someone weeks ago, but apparently it didn't sink in. If you need a flashing neon sign to tell you GND is being implemented, then you will be blindsided as your life is inexorably altered.
Everything here is new. There is nothing you will be able to depend on or argue against. You have no idea if transfers will remain, if trains will be free, if side street routes will be car free, new bike lanes, etc. etc. We are not in the loop. Only one person on this site knows more than us, and he has barely been forthcoming.
It's a brave new world order.
Let the haters begin.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: lalochezia on January 12, 2020, 01:47:07 PM

OOH. Sign me up as a hater. I hope I'm the person "not forthcoming". If i forthcome, do I win a prize? I love the mildly passive-aggressive conspiratorial tone of this post. Peak Jeanette! Well done!


For those of you who aren't ready to start talking about the bildbergs, chemtrails,  birtherism or whether trains will be free (hint: they are not now!).

This is a proposed bus re-organization plan by the MTA - a public corporation owned and run by NY state......

which has nothing to do with any fever-dreams about.....

 the Green New Deal. Which is a proposal, made by members of the democratic party,  to enact  federal-level environmental legislation. Which requires a democratic congress, senate and president onboard with the ideas contained therein. Which we don't have.

----

But keep on being you, Jeanette! What TRUTH hidden from the PEOPLE will you bring us next? I can't wait!

wow
Friends, Neighbors, People:
Drastic structural changes to bus service is clearly new policy. I'm sure you've heard of the  Green New Deal. I tried to gently broach this with someone weeks ago, but apparently it didn't sink in. If you need a flashing neon sign to tell you GND is being implemented, then you will be blindsided as your life is inexorably altered.
Everything here is new. There is nothing you will be able to depend on or argue against. You have no idea if transfers will remain, if trains will be free, if side street routes will be car free, new bike lanes, etc. etc. We are not in the loop. Only one person on this site knows more than us, and he has barely been forthcoming.
It's a brave new world order.
Let the haters begin.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on January 12, 2020, 02:02:15 PM
What a surprise, you've been so quiet on this topic, LLChe.
GND is a resolution. A set of ideas. A platform. It is not law, rule or regulation. But it's intent is to engage the philosophy and underwrite it with coordinated policies, express laws and rules, and implementation and enforcement.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on January 12, 2020, 02:08:50 PM
I hope I'm the person "not forthcoming".

You're not.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: dssjh on January 12, 2020, 02:21:38 PM
and the Green New Deal aims to get all private vehicles off the road. some might suggest that folks like AOC and myself would make it a felony to own one. why would we slap down public transportation in our efforts to eliminate freedom?
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: toddg on January 12, 2020, 03:45:00 PM
Jeanette, I suspect you're talking about me.  Yes, I know enough about this topic to be able to point out resources that describe the broader context for the changes we're seeing locally (see my earlier posts).   But I do not work for the MTA, and the only information I have seen on their proposals is the information posted on their public website.  Other than my personal opinions, there is nothing I haven't been forthcoming about.

Furthermore, your conspiracy theories are BS.  This is about trying to improve transit service for the greatest number of people.  The theories behind MTA's effort may or may not be good ones.  And the net result may not be great for our neighborhood.  But there is no agenda at work other than trying to make the transit system work better.   As I said earlier, if you dislike what you see in the proposal, it's important to give feedback to the MTA. 
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on January 13, 2020, 03:03:52 PM
..if you dislike what you see in the proposal, it's important to give feedback to the MTA.

https://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/app/comments_queensbus
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: JK resident on January 13, 2020, 11:56:22 PM
The MTA members of appointed by the NYS Governor and by the Mayor. They are political appointees. I believe the the squeaky wheel gets the grease and that many in our community don’t have even a voice or a vote to give. When bus routes are changed they will be winners and losers. These routes will be decided by back room deals that we voters will have no control over.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: abcdefghijk on January 14, 2020, 11:58:17 AM
The MTA members of appointed by the NYS Governor and by the Mayor. They are political appointees. I believe the the squeaky wheel gets the grease and that many in our community don’t have even a voice or a vote to give. When bus routes are changed they will be winners and losers. These routes will be decided by back room deals that we voters will have no control over.

I am not buying your conspiracy theories.
Title: Attend meeting Wed 1/15, 7pm to protest loss of JH bus network
Post by: Suzaan on January 14, 2020, 07:10:19 PM
The elimination of the Q49 is crazy.  It is always packed, so much so that in mornings it sometimes skips my stop and coming home, at 74th there's always long lines to get on.  The MTA wants to stimulate everyone to walk to nearest subway stop; when recovering from hip replacement I could do exactly one step on or off  bus and no more -- could not take subways with all those stairs.  Years later, I sometimes just don't have the energy to walk to the #7.

Please attend the meeting they just added in JH tomorrow night and save our transportation network.   

"The additional Jackson Heights community meeting came at the request of Assembly Member Michael DenDekker, who reached out to the MTA after receiving multiple complaints from constituents about the proposal. That meeting is now set to take place on Jan. 15 from 7 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. at 33-04 93rd St."

https://jacksonheightspost.com/mta-to-hold-jackson-heights-meeting-wednesday-following-criticism-of-bus-plan
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on January 14, 2020, 08:52:08 PM
There's a new Queens bus redesign in the works and it appears they are completely eliminating the Q49. I've taken the Q49 multiple times and it's always packed because it's useful and important for those on 35th Ave from 77th St. to 88th St.

It also looks like the Q32 and Q33 will be eliminated as well, so there will no longer be bus service that travels on Roosevelt between 82nd and 74th. What are they thinking?

You can voice your displeasure here:
https://new.mta.info/queensbusredesign

(https://i.imgur.com/g9i38nl.png?1)

Shelby, can you post this on the JHLife twitter account, please?
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: jeanette on January 14, 2020, 08:56:20 PM
The elimination of the Q49, Q33 and Q32 bus routes will have drastic negative impacts on the Jackson Heights community. There will no longer be any busses going east-west to take people to and from the 74th Street Roosevelt ave subway station. It will prohibit people living within a wide neighborhood from traveling east-west. This will be a severe detriment to the entire neighborhood and especially to older adults, people with disabilities, people with young children, and families taking their children to and from our local schools. This redesign will create inequity in our neighborhood and leave vulnerable populations stranded, unable to access the subway and the wider community.
This is a great template-in-opposition for you to create your feedback to MTA at https://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/app/comments_queensbus
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: JK resident on January 14, 2020, 09:00:53 PM
People may not like my political viewpoint but the only way you could devise this idiotic bus plan would be have some sinister agenda IMHO. There has to be some motive to cut service to a entire community that has relied on this bus service. It is not just an accident.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: jeanette on January 14, 2020, 09:04:52 PM
What do people think of the QT61, an East Elmhurst-Midtown route similar in some ways to the Q32?
I usually take the 32 from 35th Ave. all the way to Penn Station area. One bus ride. I don't see me riding a bus at all now to get to my Spanish classes. Once I'm on the 7 local, I wouldn't transfer to a bus and then yet another transfer(s) in Manhattan to travel south.

For me, the QT61 is pretty much pointless.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: jeanette on January 14, 2020, 09:09:31 PM
I guess they plan on making 75th St two way?

Don't take the route details literally.  They are intended to be conceptual, to facilitate discussion about what markets are being served.   Detailed routings and stop locations will be determined in a future phase of the effort.  Your earlier guess that the northbound part of the route would use 74th Street seems like a reasonable assumption for the time being.
I forgot about this. This is the kind of info I suspected you could contribute. This is helpful.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: jeanette on January 14, 2020, 09:11:10 PM
It’s super tricky... would love to maintain some semblance of the Q49 for sure (at least horizontally to 74th street), but perhaps with less stops and stops concentrated on blocks furthest from the train like 85th, 93rd/94th, 78th.
This might be a compromise; something to suggest to the MTA. https://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/app/comments_queensbus
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: jeanette on January 14, 2020, 09:15:43 PM
The MTA obviously believe the subway is a better way to travel around NYC. And I agree. It is.
Yesterday in Sunnyside, I didn't notice or recall any elevators on any of the Queens Blvd.-7 line strip. Just steep, old, narrow stairs.

At any rate, the subway elevators that I've used throughout the City have always been absolutely disgusting, smelly, airless, crowded and possibly dangerous.
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: jeanette on January 14, 2020, 09:22:33 PM
Could you post this on other social media, Todd? JHL Twitter, et al?
(I added the direct link to contact MTA.)

Can someone share this with JHFamilies?

1. MTA's Queens bus network is really old.  Many of these routes trace century-old streetcar lines, or were inherited from defunct private bus carriers.
2. Some transit agencies can routinely tweak and optimize their networks, but others are so heavily regulated that they cannot do that easily.  MTA is squarely in the latter category -- state law requires extensive public hearings and outreach for even minor route changes, and even small details of its budget are used for football in Albany.  In places like this, a public transit network can grow more and more out of step with the evolving needs of the city it serves.
3. To address this situation, there is a growing trend nationwide of transit agencies undertaking a "clean slate" redesign of their bus networks.  The details vary by agency, but the general goal is to reoptimize service for the public under limited resources.  There are always trade-offs -- for example, you can run buses faster by removing some of the stops, or you can run more frequent service by reducing the number of routes.  MTA is trying to achieve a new balance that brings benefits to the riding public while also attracting new passengers into the system.
4. MTA's proposed redesign is the result of a serious research and planning effort, but it isn't finished.  Public input and feedback are a fundamental part of their process.  If you're interested, I recommend that you review what they're proposing, think about how this will affect your decision to ride the bus in the future, and let the MTA know what you think.
- If you do use the bus, look at the trips you take and see how those trips will change.  Think about bus frequencies and speeds as well as the directness of the trips between your true origin and destination.
- Also take a look at trips within Queens that you make frequently, but drive or take a taxi/car service because the bus is not convenient.  Does this proposal make the bus a better candidate for any of those trips?
- Definitely provide feedback to the MTA. 
https://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/app/comments_queensbus

Here's where to find more information:
https://new.mta.info/queensbusredesign

And here's background on network redesign efforts:
http://transitcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Proceedings-3.pdf
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25487/comprehensive-bus-network-redesigns
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: abcdefghijk on January 15, 2020, 01:17:29 PM
People may not like my political viewpoint but the only way you could devise this idiotic bus plan would be have some sinister agenda IMHO. There has to be some motive to cut service to a entire community that has relied on this bus service. It is not just an accident.

There is no sinister motive. What has happened is how all centralized bureaucracies work.  From a basic platform/vision. "Get folks to the nearest subway stop" seems to be that idea in this case.

Bureaucracies have no idea about the nuanced effects of their visions because they don't live here. They are oblivious. And this is why centralized planning often makes mistakes by not keeping specific community needs in mind.

You are giving a bureaucracy far too much sophistication in their planning with your accusations of malevolent intent.


Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: JK resident on January 16, 2020, 09:39:20 AM
Is the best way to address this to release crazy maps calling to eliminate bus lines and have people show up in a panic? It seems cruel to me.

https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/queens/riders-confront-transit-officials-about-changes-to-bus-routes-in-queens
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on January 16, 2020, 09:54:23 AM
Is the best way to address this to release crazy maps calling to eliminate bus lines and have people show up in a panic? It seems cruel to me.

https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/queens/riders-confront-transit-officials-about-changes-to-bus-routes-in-queens

Putting it mildly, to say that MTA policy and planners are out of touch with reality is to state the obvious.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: Jeffsayyes on January 16, 2020, 06:23:19 PM
It's almost as if we don't life in the richest city in the world
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: EmmBee on January 16, 2020, 10:22:14 PM
I got a mailer from Sen. Ramos today.  She is hosting a town hall about the proposed bus network on January 24 from 6:30-8:30pm at First Baptist Church, 100-10 Astoria Blvd. 
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on January 17, 2020, 10:19:15 AM
More Ideas. Wider Discussion.

Queens Bus Network Redesign - Discussion Group
Dedicated FB page; a Queens wide discussion of the impending disaster
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2461933217469066/

Facebook Groups Jackson Heights, NY 11372
Tries to keep the focus on JH
https://www.facebook.com/groups/jacksonheights/

Queens Neighborhoods United
You'd think they'd be all over this, but no tweets as of this writing:
https://twitter.com/QueensBarrios?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Only one entry about bus disaster so far:
https://www.facebook.com/QueensNeighborhoodsUnited/

Queens Community Board 3 Contact Page
Next monthly meeting is Thurs. Feb. 20 (also have a transportation cmte):
http://www.cb3qn.nyc.gov/?p=1632

Queens Borough Presidency is currently vacant.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on January 17, 2020, 10:54:57 AM
This July 2019 article https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2019/07/04/the-rumor-mill-separating-fact-from-fiction-in-andrew-cuomos-bid-to-sideline-andy-byford/ gives us a rear view look into what Byford-- or more like Cuomo, is doing to us.

Byford supposedly resigned in October, but shortly reneged. https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2019/10/18/sources-last-week-byford-resigned-from-mta-hes-now-reconsidering-1225679

And then there's this, which just might make your blood boil:
"The agency also wants to spend $2.5 billion on 2,375 new city buses, including 500 electric buses at $2.2 million a pop."
https://nypost.com/2019/09/16/mta-unveils-51-5b-plan-to-fix-nycs-decrepit-subway-and-bus-systems/
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on January 17, 2020, 04:25:44 PM
Fare reduction for many New Yorkers in the works.

"Fair Fares NYC is a City program created by Mayor Bill de Blasio, City Council Speaker Corey Johnson, and members of the City Council to help low-income New Yorkers. Using the Fair Fares NYC MetroCard, participating New York City residents receive a 50% discount on subway and eligible bus fares. Pay-Per-Ride, 7-Day (Weekly) and 30-Day (Monthly) Unlimited Ride options are all available."

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/fairfares/index.page
Title: Re: Q49 bus to be eliminated
Post by: jeanette on January 17, 2020, 09:23:44 PM
It’s super tricky... would love to maintain some semblance of the Q49 for sure (at least horizontally to 74th street), but perhaps with less stops and stops concentrated on blocks furthest from the train like 85th, 93rd/94th, 78th.
This might be a compromise; something to suggest to the MTA. https://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/app/comments_queensbus

I take back what I wrote here. See my post reprinting Allan Rosen and bus stop balancing petition.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on January 17, 2020, 09:25:54 PM
By Allan Rosen, former Director of Bus Planning for the MTA.
The MTA wants to end local bus service as we know it. As part of the Queens Bus Network Redesign, they are proposing to eliminate about 70 percent of the bus stops, calling it “bus stop balancing”. Instead of buses stopping every other city block, every three city blocks, or every avenue block, most buses will stop at a minimum of every four city blocks or every other avenue block.
Most routes will stop every five city blocks or every quarter mile, some every half mile and a few like the 101st Avenue route will have bus stops over 6,000 feet, or more than a mile apart. The rationale is that buses will operate 25 percent faster. But that will not mean your trips will be 25 percent faster. It will take you much longer to reach your destination, maybe twice as long, because of the extra walking to and from the bus. All this so the MTA can save on operating costs. The accepted industry standard is a 1/4 mile walk from your origin or destination to a local bus stop.
This change is setting a dangerous precedent for the other borough bus network redesigns which is why you should be concerned even if you do not use Queens buses. The MTA was careful about which bus stops to remove in the Bronx as part of that borough’s redesign, only removing bus stops that were excessively close together, but in Queens, they took a sledge hammer to removing bus stops relying on the public to tell them which ones to put back. When all is said and done, half the bus stops will be gone forever.
Let’s do the arithmetic. The average local bus speed in Queens is 8.5 mph, one of the fastest in the city, and the average bus trip length is 2.3 miles. That means the average bus ride takes 16 minutes without walking and waiting. The total trip takes about 30 minutes if you use only one bus and no subway. If buses operate 25 percent faster, they travel only 2 mph faster and your bus trip will take 14 minutes instead of 16. Therefore, buses traveling 25 percent faster means you only save about two-minutes.
However, that two minutes is cancelled out by your extra one-minute walk to and from the bus, resulting in no time savings at all for the average bus rider if bus stops are spaced every quarter mile. For routes with stops every ½ mile, the extra walk to and from the stop is 7 minutes and 2 minutes saved. If bus stops are spaced every ¾ mile, the extra walk is 14 minutes and 2 minutes saved. Routes with bus stop spacing every mile will result in 17 minutes extra walking and 2 minutes saved. However, if the walk to the closest bus stop is not in the same direction you are traveling. You won’t even save those two minutes.
Therefore, the average 30-minute bus ride will now take at least 30, 35, 42, or 47 minutes depending on bus stop spacing if you are a fast walker and if buses are running on schedule. You will also have a greater chance of missing your bus, the further you walk, adding at least another ten minutes of travel time. So, your 30-minute trip can possibly take you over an hour, doubling your trip time, assuming you are a fast walker and there are no bus delays. Do you really want to walk further in bad weather? So how is increasing bus stop spacing beneficial to most riders?
The only criterium used to determine success or failure are faster bus speeds which is easy to accomplish when you are removing over half the bus stops. What the MTA should be measuring is if the time it takes you to make your entire trip including waiting, walking, and transferring is less under the new redesigned system.
Bus stop elimination will cause a hardship for anyone who has difficulty walking and will further erode bus ridership. The number of bus stops is unimportant. What matters is how often the buses actually stop at those stops. It makes no sense to eliminate lightly used bus stops that most buses usually skip anyway. No one benefits. Eliminating bus stops where usage is heavy, will cause the remaining bus stops to become dangerously overcrowded making passengers impatient and encouraging them to board through the back door and evade the fare. Lower revenues and reduced ridership will cause future service cuts.
The MTA will never admit failure, blaming ridership losses on the next fare increase and citing faster bus speeds as a measure of success, although most trips will take longer.
We must stop this plan before it becomes reality. The MTA does not know what is best for its riders or is intentionally trying to encourage bus riders to use other means of transport, so they can operate fewer buses to reduce their budget deficit.
Please sign this petition against using a distance formula to remove bus stops.
https://www.change.org/p/mta-oppose-the-mta-s-plan-to-eliminate-bus-stops?fbclid=IwAR3_Q5mm8m2nRH5fVM3AlULnMGADtpriQMI-8ITxaRh4uI0iyh_EPsYn0V4
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: r on January 18, 2020, 12:45:03 AM
I usually think of NYC as a subway city but I just realized that NYC must operate one of the biggest bus networks in the world.

Apparently we have about 6,000 buses in NYC. London supposedly has 8,500 buses but London is also about twice the geographic area as NYC.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on January 29, 2020, 12:29:04 PM
Proposal: GREEN NEW NORTHERN
-Establishing a Select Bus Service along Northern Boulevard into Manhattan.
-Installing protected bike lanes.
-Planting of trees and greenery inside concrete medians.
-Limiting traffic along Northern Blvd. between 114th Street and Queens Plaza to emergency and delivery vehicles, buses, bicycles and pedestrians. (The 114 pct is located in this designated area.)
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: itsit on January 29, 2020, 12:55:24 PM
Re: Green New Northern 
As someone who is on Northern Blvd alot, this plan sounds truly insane. It feels like someone drew this one on paper without asking people on the street what they would like. Sort of like the flyover accusation that is made by politicians about the midwest by coastal elites. I would be astonished if you were to interview those who live, shop and dine on Northern Blvd if they are in favor of any of these proposals, except for the express bus, as its painful to see so many of express buses pass by that don't stop locally.
  The bike lanes, I would think, would be spectacularly unpopular. Even worse than Queens Blvd and used even less. Stay with those bike lanes on 34th and 31st please. And go on the ground with research on weekends and nights but please do not expect people to be able to make community meetings with politicians to be heard. Not everyone is able to be present at these events who has an opinion on these changes.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on January 29, 2020, 02:32:10 PM
Proposal: GREEN NEW NORTHERN
-Establishing a Select Bus Service along Northern Boulevard into Manhattan.
-Installing protected bike lanes.
-Planting of trees and greenery inside concrete medians.
-Limiting traffic along Northern Blvd. between 114th Street and Queens Plaza to emergency and delivery vehicles, buses, bicycles and pedestrians. (The 114 pct is located in this designated area.)

Sorry. Typo. The PoliPct is the 115 (but you knew that).
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: lalochezia on January 29, 2020, 02:39:31 PM
Proposal: GREEN NEW NORTHERN
-Establishing a Select Bus Service along Northern Boulevard into Manhattan.
-Installing protected bike lanes.
-Planting of trees and greenery inside concrete medians.
-Limiting traffic along Northern Blvd. between 114th Street and Queens Plaza to emergency and delivery vehicles, buses, bicycles and pedestrians. (The 114 pct is located in this designated area.)

Where is this proposal, and who is making it?
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: JHMNY on January 29, 2020, 03:21:30 PM
STREETSBLOG NYC:

Jackson Heights Assembly Candidate Unveils Plan to Transform Deadly Northern Boulevard (https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/01/28/jackson-heights-assembly-candidate-unveils-plan-to-transform-deadly-northern-boulevard/)

An insurgent — and car-free! — Assembly candidate from Queens wants to transform deadly Northern Boulevard into a 14th Street-style busway to help break the district’s car culture that the incumbent lawmaker seems to favor.

The candidate, Jessica González-Rojas, blasted veteran Assembly Member Michael DenDekker as a do-nothing pol who has failed to stop the carnage on the highway-style roadway that tears through several neighborhoods.

“We cannot accept this any longer, it is time for a major change to improve Northern Boulevard,” said González-Rojas, executive director of the National Latina Institute, who is running for the 34th District seat, which includes Jackson Heights and Corona. “It runs straight through our community and is a dangerous roadway that has earned the title the boulevard of death.”

On Monday morning, González-Rojas announced her proposal at 80th Street and Northern Boulevard — where 11-year-old Miguel Torres was killed by a hit-and-run dump truck driver in 2012, and just one avenue over from where the driver of a Jeep hit and seriously injured a 12-year-old boy last year.

Her plan — which specifically calls for restricting traffic to just emergency vehicles, delivery trucks, buses and bikes along Northern Boulevard between 114th Street and Queens Plaza — also includes establishing a select bus service for speeding up bus times, creating a protected bike lane, and planting trees in a concrete median.


Follow above link for full story.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: JK resident on January 30, 2020, 08:39:38 AM
The DOT will never close down Northern Blvd. to traffic. It is along with Astoria Blvd  a major east west route. When the highway has traffic it is the only major road.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: Miss Chatelaine on January 30, 2020, 12:07:36 PM
STREETSBLOG NYC:

Jackson Heights Assembly Candidate Unveils Plan to Transform Deadly Northern Boulevard (https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/01/28/jackson-heights-assembly-candidate-unveils-plan-to-transform-deadly-northern-boulevard/)

Follow above link for full story.

Closing Northern to auto traffic? Ugh! One of my major pet-peeves is people who waste everyone's time with completely unrealistic proposals instead of working seriously toward actually solving or at least mitigating problems.

Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: abcdefghijk on January 30, 2020, 12:52:13 PM
STREETSBLOG NYC:

Jackson Heights Assembly Candidate Unveils Plan to Transform Deadly Northern Boulevard (https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/01/28/jackson-heights-assembly-candidate-unveils-plan-to-transform-deadly-northern-boulevard/)

Follow above link for full story.

Closing Northern to auto traffic? Ugh! One of my major pet-peeves is people who waste everyone's time with completely unrealistic proposals instead of working seriously toward actually solving or at least mitigating problems.

Maybe we should turn Northern Bld into a canal like in Venice? With gondolas.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on January 30, 2020, 04:42:53 PM
MTA's feedback session for the Jackson Heights corridor is tonight (January 30, 2020):

6-8 p.m.
Langston Hughes Library and Cultural Center
100-01 Northern Blvd.
Corona, NY 11368
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: Chingwa on February 01, 2020, 11:26:59 AM
Quote
-Limiting traffic along Northern Blvd. between 114th Street and Queens Plaza to emergency and delivery vehicles, buses, bicycles and pedestrians.
That is hilarious  ;D
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: Yankswun98 on February 01, 2020, 05:38:42 PM
When the medians were installed on Northern Blvd. the design should have included putting small trees in the divider.  I also agree with eliminating the traffic on Northern.  Instead of banning cars which is  not realistic NYC should check residential properties and see how many families are living in houses which are only zoned for 1 or 2 families.  One house on 71st has at least 4 families in a house zoned for only 2. 
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on February 02, 2020, 01:20:07 PM
MTA's feedback session for the Jackson Heights corridor is tonight (January 30, 2020):
There are 22 additional MTA table-talk type feedback sessions occurring this month and next throughout the borough. Here's the full list.

https://new.mta.info/queensbusredesign

For your convenience, the following are nearby, but any may be relevant to your particular needs and all should be open to everyone:

Sunnyside   
Monday (tomorrow), Feb. 3, 2020, 6 PM
Queens Community Board 2 - Transportation Committee
Sunnyside Community Services
43-31 39th Ave
Sunnyside, NY 11104

Astoria
Thursday, Feb. 13, 2020, 6:30 PM
Queens Community Board 1 - Transportation Committee
45-02 Ditmars Blvd, LL Suite 1025
Astoria, NY 11105

Elmhurst
Wednesday, March 4, 2020, 6-8 PM
Elmhurst Hospital
79-01 Broadway
Elmhurst, NY 11373

I highly recommend attending as many as you can.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on February 02, 2020, 01:53:43 PM
Last Thursday’s JH/Corona feedback session was extremely well attended (packed). Hearing neighbors’ concerns was helpful, I think. Will it impact MTA’s bus redesign? I don’t know. Be wary of the power of suggestion. It bothers me that in MTA’s opening salvo we are told how unhappy we are with our buses-- ridership is down, and that their plan is what we really want. It should be put to us: “Are you willing to forgo your buses in exchange for such and such benefit?” Keep a clear head. Half the people at my table echoed MTA’s leading introduction, giving the MTA exactly what it wanted to hear.

Some additional or clarified ideas I gleaned from the session:

1. The proposed new routes are on dark leafy sleepy residential streets and warrant longer walking distances. The DOT will need to provide better lighting. With less people and no businesses to encounter, traveling in the wee hours will expose travelers to heightened risks, not just to crime but also for some--injuries and for the elderly--exhaustion.

2. Revenue neutrality is a deceptive construct when reduced services are actually paying for the new fleet of buses including $2.2milllion (each) for electric buses.

3. What guarantees are there that buses will no longer be crowded and bunched? Are they proposing double-deckers or accordions? If so, how will that impact our beloved trees?

4. Don’t confuse faster buses with faster commutes. I previously posted a thorough explanation on bus stop distancing and travel speed by a former MTA bus planner: http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=19619.msg97413#msg97413
*Adding input from a participant in a wheelchair: the increase in wheelchair transfers will be a true burden for disabled riders as well as strip away any seconds you think you saved.

5. The draft looks to me like it will LOWER bus ridership (it will in my case), defying one of the main objectives.

6. By bypassing our shops, places of worship, local doctors/dentists in favor of Manhattan and destination routes, group segregation and social stratification will intensify and negatively affect the vibrancy, allure and potential expansion of the landmark district.

7. Build the elevators first, then talk about local train destinations. Because if they don’t work, are smelly, dangerous, scratch-itti’d, and you have to wait for what seems like an eternity, that’s not doing those who need them any favors.

8. “MTA's proposed redesign is the result of a serious research and planning effort.” This is wrong. I ride the buses. I was never approached, informed, surveyed or leafleted by MTA/CTA. There has been no outreach to people whose first language is not English. That is FACT.

9. As we know, carless routes (14th Street Project) and/or elimination of parking is firmly affixed in the frontal lobe of politicians, yet is not being broached whatsoever by the MTA.  Such transformation is expected and should be considered as part of the equation. To not do so is dishonest.

10. Ask yourself, how will MTA maintain anything while expanding reduced fares and with the fare-less/fare theft mindset of an increasingly socialist society?

11. Personally, unless MTA/NYCTA proves it cares about increasing ridership OR our comforts, or rather admits that this bus redesign is for the sake of climate change/GND, I have no faith that MTA is being forthright.

Please consider the above as an expansion of the concerns previously posted by Earbears:
-The elimination of the Q49, Q33 and Q32 bus routes will have drastic negative impacts on the Jackson Heights community.
-There will no longer be any busses going east-west to take people to and from the 74th Street Roosevelt ave subway station. It will prohibit people living within a wide neighborhood from traveling east-west.
-This will be a severe detriment to the entire neighborhood and especially to older adults, people with disabilities, people with young children, and families taking their children to and from our local schools.
-This redesign will create inequity in our neighborhood and leave vulnerable populations stranded, unable to access the subway and the wider community.

Feel free to use anything I typed here as your feedback. Please post your feedback more than once. Post often. The sooner the better. https://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/app/comments_queensbus

Thank you.
Jeanette
PS I typed this whole thing out early this morning and just as I was about to send, I lost it all, lol. Had to recreate it. (I’m still missing one of my points.)
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on February 06, 2020, 12:40:26 PM
Fare reduction for many New Yorkers in the works.

"Fair Fares NYC is a City program created by Mayor Bill de Blasio, City Council Speaker Corey Johnson, and members of the City Council to help low-income New Yorkers. Using the Fair Fares NYC MetroCard, participating New York City residents receive a 50% discount on subway and eligible bus fares. Pay-Per-Ride, 7-Day (Weekly) and 30-Day (Monthly) Unlimited Ride options are all available."

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/fairfares/index.page
Councilman: "Fair Fares doesn't go far enough."
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-mta-free-nyc-subway-bus-service-year-round-mark-treyger-20200205-xfmzbjr24fhq3lumuxu3givrny-story.html
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on February 07, 2020, 03:35:41 PM

https://sunnysidepost.com/queens-bus-network-redesign-draft-slammed-in-sunnyside

I attended the Sunnyside Cmty Bd Trnsprt Cmte MTA feedback session earlier this week. The room was full. The attendees were not happy. The MTA reps were unconvincing. Again, we were told that MTA has already surveyed riders and concluded that we don’t like our buses, to which the entire room exploded with “liars” “never” and “WHY are you doing this?”

What I learned and some additional points:

1. As is the case in Jackson Heights, Sunnyside’s East-West routes are being decimated. LIC/SS will lose the Q32 to Manhattan.

2. The new LIC/Sunnyside grid is North-South and the best and most frequent routes travel to Brooklyn. Looking at the map, it is obvious that redistribution of services is the goal.

3. When terror attacks, blackouts, bad weather, crumbling infrastructure, sick passengers/crimes, and protests (apparently the new favorite youth pastime) occur, Queens needs an alternative to the 7 train.

4. Not one attendee said they had been approached, informed, surveyed or leafleted by MTA/CTA.

5. One of the two MTA reps used a very telling term. She called the plan “’transformative’ to accommodate the future” (something to that effect). Sure would be nice if they would just clue us in on their plans for our future.
 
6. St. Sebastian’s RC Church may do something to advertise its dissatisfaction with MTA’s Queens Bus Redesign. I will post here if any plans materialize that you might want to participate in. 

Feel free to use anything I typed here for your feedback to MTA. https://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/app/comments_queensbus

Thank you.
Jeanette
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: Bel84 on February 07, 2020, 09:16:26 PM
Now that the meetings in JH have passed and after signing petitions and sending comments to the MTA what more can we do as a community to keep the buses the way they are. We shouldn't have our next communication with the MTA be them announcing the final plans and not listening to us.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: JK resident on February 07, 2020, 10:29:47 PM
Soon the new maps will come out and mass transit will almost eliminate bus services.
Title: MTA Redesign of bus routes and cuts Services to Jackson Heights and East Elmhurst
Post by: hipolito on February 17, 2020, 07:25:49 PM
Any status on the MTA plan to redesign the Q49, Q33 and Q32 routes ? Did they desist of the idea ? or they are regrouping ?     
Title: Re: MTA Redesign of bus routes and cuts Services to Jackson Heights and East Elmhurst
Post by: StevenGrey on February 17, 2020, 07:59:24 PM
The MTA is receiving feedback similar to what they got at the Jackson Heights town hall from other neighborhoods throughout Queens. I heard the meeting in Sunnyside was contentious as was the one recently held in Forest Hills. But how radically they change the initial "draft proposal" is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on February 26, 2020, 11:26:46 AM
The next feedback session involving this area and some of our bus routes will be next Wednesday, March 4th, 6 to 8 PM, Elmhurst Hospital, 79-01 Broadway 11373. I believe the Q49's replacement would be the QT74, which travels to Elmhurst Hospital. The Q33 is an Elmhurst route. Many others, I'm sure, but the maps are confusing to me.

April 1st is the last public session, so presumably all communities can continue to provide feedback throughout March.

Sarah Feinberg, Byford's replacement, takes over the post next week just days after the Elmhurst meeting. https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/mta-announces-interim-bus-and-subways-chief-sarah-feinberg/

Final note: if you only made your voice heard via petition(s) or politician's staff, please repeat your feedback directly onto this page: https://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/app/comments_queensbus
It can be a general comment or specific to a bus number.
Tell your neighbors how/where to comment.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: dssjh on February 26, 2020, 11:46:29 AM
the maps are very hard to unravel -- perhaps by design. i'll be out of town on a family matter for this one and hope there will be reports here.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on March 08, 2020, 01:39:18 PM
Here's a friendly reminder to submit a Queens Bus Redesign complaint or suggestion.

https://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/app/comments_queensbus

So far the MTA has received ~800 online comments from the JH area. Handwritten comments are being collected but based on what was said by a representative at the Elmhurst meeting, the MTA is focused on the online feedback. The rep chose a few to read out loud to the audience, but all contained some words of positive reinforcement of their plan.

You might want to shy away from making positive comments. We all want to be nice about this, but unless you absolutely love the redesign, don't play into their hands. The host of the recent Elmhurst community meeting did just that.

Per an email, this is Assemblywoman Catalina Cruz's position:

About Slow Service and the Need for Improvements to Their Commutes...to share information about the redesign and facilitate constructive feedback from the riding community....Queens buses are slow and unreliable.

Cruz's voice is powerful. These are her words. She repeated them forcefully at the meeting. Please think about whether it's in your best interest to echo them.

Thank you.
Jeanette
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: jeanette on March 09, 2020, 12:31:29 PM
At the Elmhurst meeting the MTA provided a new version of our proposed bus map. There's no online link provided and it's hard to read (very teeny tiny print), but it scopes Queens in its entirety. The routes are in color and it is plain to see:

One bus, the QT61, goes into Manhattan over the 59th Street Bridge.
As you know, most Queens lines go north-south. The major lines, LIC and Astoria-- QT1 and QT2 respectively, run the entire N-S corridor to Brooklyn.
The QT4 also goes to Brooklyn, but does not run the full NS Qns corridor. Ditto for QT6, QT58 and QT52. You're in luck if you're traveling to Brooklyn.
Most of Queens is full of short, straight, N-S routes that serve as connectors. 

It's a ballsy social engineering plan.
Title: Re: Proposed changes to JH bus network
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 09, 2020, 04:17:37 PM
Well, at least, getting to Brooklyn is brilliant news with this bus plan... Yeehah!