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Title: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on July 25, 2019, 08:51:05 PM
I think 37th Avenue should be given protected bike lanes.

https://nypost.com/2019/07/25/de-blasios-58m-bike-safety-plan-panned-by-drivers-and-cyclists/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: dssjh on July 25, 2019, 10:04:34 PM
37th makes more sense than Roosevelt, for sure. i know both are technically outside the parameters, but i might also add lanes on Woodside and (maybe) 31st. i don't get that far north often enough to really picture how that would work.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on July 25, 2019, 11:51:24 PM
37th would be more congested than ever if they forced a bike lane there, it just doesn't seem realistic to me.  The only avenue it makes sense on is 34th, since it already has the median divider and less traffic (in general) than the other avenues.  But I am not a fan of bike lanes and don't see how they would be an improvement in this neighborhood... especially considering how DeBlasio screwed up the traffic flow with bike lanes on Queens Boulevard.  Truly one of the worst pieces of transit planning I've ever seen.  So call me skeptical.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: ShinjukuBaby on July 26, 2019, 06:06:48 AM
The redesign of Queens Blvd has been a huge success saving countless lives.

Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Hagop on July 26, 2019, 08:03:48 AM
I'm no expert, but my initial reaction is that 34th makes more sense than 37th. There is already a bike lane on 34th, so just adding protections seems like the easiest lift. The main thing to consider, of course, is the overall network. Lanes need to connect to other lanes, otherwise they're somewhat useless.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on July 26, 2019, 09:49:33 AM
34th Ave is too far north to bike to. If we are serious about bicycles we need Roosevelt Ave or 37th Ave to have protected bike lanes. 31st is already in East Elmhurst well north of Jackson Heights. I find Roosevelt to be too noisy and busy. That leaves 37 Ave as the only real east west solution. The citibikes that are coming will also be placed on 37th Ave.

https://jacksonheightspost.com/jackson-heights-corona-are-priority-areas-in-mayors-bike-safety-plan
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: itsit on July 26, 2019, 10:20:30 AM
  This is not an easy one. The advantage of 37th is that it would reduce cars which is a cause
of so many accidents with their nutty 3 point turns the other direction. Truly hazardous every
time I see this happening. I think Roosevelt Ave would be instant chaos and those businesses
don't deserve more problems. Ripping up 34th ave again! and putting bike lanes where the
median is while landscaping the outer areas is a possibility but not my fav solution. Would
only go for that if there was big landscaping efforts too.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Junior Minty on July 26, 2019, 12:02:14 PM
Why not just move the bike lanes on 34th ave to the curb and flip flop their position with the parked cars? This provides a protected lane and maintains the median. It would only slow down traffic when people attempt to park, which is another good thing.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JHHD on July 26, 2019, 04:48:21 PM
You can't just switch the placement of the lanes on 34th, if the bike lane is along the curb it needs to have a buffer that would make it wider than the current painted bike lane. A protected bike lane on any of the streets mentioned would require the removal of the parking on at least one side of that street. Ironically this would also remove the actual protection from traffic provided by parked cars. It wouldn't really be a protected bike lane, more like a dedicated bike lane.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: itsit on July 27, 2019, 11:39:39 AM
 If you were to remove the 34th ave. median or pave over it, you could have a dedicated
bike lane in the middle of the road and use the space from the existing bike lanes to give
a slim planting area in between the cars and the bike lane. While I love the median, it has
been neglected over the years and looks great in some areas but forlorn in some others,
particularly down in Corona near Flushing Meadows. This is a solution that would not take
a huge amount of money, I think, and works with an avenue that has an existing bike lane.

 I honestly think Parks would go for this idea as the Greenstreets program is strapped for
funding to maintain this median already.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: petster on July 27, 2019, 01:13:04 PM
I think if they could flip the cars with the bike lanes on Roosevelt it would cut down on congestion and crazy driving tactics, especially during game days.  I don't  cherish changing or adding lanes on 35/37 or taking away the median.  Brings too much congestion into a residential  space and adds to the erosion of green space for our neighborhood.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: hfm on July 27, 2019, 04:43:36 PM
37th makes more sense than Roosevelt, for sure. i know both are technically outside the parameters, but i might also add lanes on Woodside and (maybe) 31st. i don't get that far north often enough to really picture how that would work.

I think of this thing being in the lower 70s and cringe. No one there respects any double-parking rules right now, I feel like they would either be blocking the street entirely or parking in the bike lane.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on July 27, 2019, 07:48:55 PM
The traffic in that part of 37th is ridiculous.  Adding a bike lane and removing car space would be even more ridiculous.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: StevenGrey on July 27, 2019, 08:18:48 PM
The idea of magically creating "protected" bike lanes on any of the east-west avenues between Broadway and Northern Boulevard is absolutely ridiculous. It would mean the removal of hundreds of parking spaces along any route the DOT would choose. I would think JHBG would go ape-shit if DOT tried to remove the planted median on 34th Avenue in order to do so (and rightfully so). The city and its citizens would be better served if this money were allocated towards mass transit improvements, ADA accessibility, and Access-A-Ride programs which benefit the elderly and disabled (for whom bike lanes do absolutely nothing).
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Jhqns76 on July 27, 2019, 09:04:09 PM
Why don’t they just ban all trucks and cars entirely?
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on July 27, 2019, 11:03:48 PM
The Mayor has spoken and allocated $53+ million to put protected bike lanes a few neighborhoods. One is Jackson Heights, so there will be a protected bike lane on 37th or 35 Ave. You can’t have bicyclists murdered by cars and believe the city will do nothing. Desperate times call for desperate measures. People will have to adapt to ride bicycles and not drive.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on July 28, 2019, 08:02:36 PM
People drive for a reason.  Bikes don't replace cars for the large majority of those reasons.  "Adapting" has very little to do with it.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on July 29, 2019, 07:36:49 AM
We have a Vision Zero toleration for pedestrians and bicyclists deaths. The mayor will allocate money to build protected bike lanes in Jackson Heights as decided by the NYC DOT. The city wants people to sell their cars and use Uber or Lyft. In order to decrease congestion and facilitate bicycle use we need east west protected bike lanes on preferably on 37th Avenue. The city is already removing parking from Central Park west. This also supports the green new deal proposed by AOC.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Jeffsayyes on July 29, 2019, 07:45:42 AM
People drive for a reason.  Bikes don't replace cars for the large majority of those reasons.  "Adapting" has very little to do with it.


Things change for reasons too
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Jhx on July 29, 2019, 10:11:52 AM
 If that’s the case, then why is the city fighting to give illegals a drivers license? Would that just make the roads much more crowded? Let them ride bikes
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: the80s on July 30, 2019, 12:15:14 PM
Localize.nyc recently did a study on the most dangerous intersections in the city.

According to their analysis, the most dangerous intersection for cyclists in Queens, with 12 injuries in a five-year period, is 58th Street and Roosevelt Ave in Woodside.

https://labs.localize.city/nycs-most-dangerous-intersections-for-cyclists/

So that certainly seems like a candidate for protected lanes and/or improved traffic patterns. That intersection is a mess for everyone, including drivers and pedestrians.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on July 31, 2019, 10:22:28 PM
More bike lanes coming to Queens.

https://nypost.com/2019/07/31/queens-councilman-wants-to-trade-parking-spots-for-bike-lanes-in-lic/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: hfm on July 31, 2019, 10:26:04 PM
Why don’t they just ban all trucks and cars entirely?

Because some people need them. It's rather narrow-minded to assume everyone has the ability to get around without auto transport. How do goods get in to the many shops that line streets? How to people who have accessibility issues get out and about?

Car bans aren't happening, it's not even remotely in the realm of realism.

We're not talking about things that are not necessary like.. guns for example.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 01, 2019, 10:19:50 AM
With this “Green Wave” we will also need protected bike lanes that run north and south. This will necessitate the removal of parking on four streets at a minimum. 74th and 75th and 82nd and 83rd are the most likely candidates. Probably Junction Blvd. and 108th streets will also be needed. With 58 million from the city this neighborhood  will soon be bike heaven. 
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: itsit on August 01, 2019, 10:51:38 AM
 A young woman I know is a new social worker in Queens with high needs, mentally challenged
clients. She sometimes spends 1-2 hours getting to her people because many are located far
from transit in other parts of the borough. She needs a car IMHO but is reluctant to buy one
because of all of the backlash to having one here. We need to understand that for some people
having a car is really key to their best mobility and most productive lives. Biking is not feasible
in every person's life and we have to be kinder about understanding all positions. I fear that this
competent and caring young woman will burn out on her job because of the stress of transit
- among other things- and not having a car.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Shelby2 on August 01, 2019, 11:50:28 AM
A young woman I know is a new social worker in Queens with high needs, mentally challenged
clients. She sometimes spends 1-2 hours getting to her people because many are located far
from transit in other parts of the borough. She needs a car IMHO but is reluctant to buy one
because of all of the backlash to having one here. We need to understand that for some people
having a car is really key to their best mobility and most productive lives. Biking is not feasible
in every person's life and we have to be kinder about understanding all positions. I fear that this
competent and caring young woman will burn out on her job because of the stress of transit
- among other things- and not having a car.

It sounds like she's too worried about others' perceptions of her. If she needs a car to do her job and make her life sane, then she should get one.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: itsit on August 01, 2019, 12:48:52 PM
 She is concerned about the very idea of someone who is a NYer in their early 20's, and a progressive,
should need a car. But the particulars of her work suggest to me that she not wear this hair shirt,
so to speak, and struggle through some crazy transit situations just to be looking forward in life.
Some of the bus rides in other areas of Queens are interminably long and for the greater good, I
think her life is better with a car for her work as transit is a long way from improving in many areas
of the borough.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: toddg on August 01, 2019, 10:43:43 PM
Given the high costs of insurance, maintenance, fuel, and parking, many New Yorkers in her situation find it more cost-effective (and convenient) to use car services (or taxis, Lyft, etc.) instead of owning a car.

NYC's streets have fundamentally been engineered to facilitate car traffic.  Nothing the mayor is proposing will change that.  There's nothing radical about replacing a small share of the city's vast supply of subsidized car storage space with some space to ensure that cyclists can travel safely.  I personally own a car, and enjoy  the privilege of parking on the streets for free.   But the suggestion that this convenience has a greater social value than the lives of our neighbors who bike is monstrous.  So, yes, I support efforts to develop a protected bike lane network.

That said, most of the avenues in our neighborhood are not well suited for protected bike lanes.  For the reasons others have cited, it will be difficult to install protected lanes on 34th Ave without destroying the medians.   Commercial streets like 37th and Roosevelt have a lot of activity at the curb and short-term parking activity, so aren't ideal for bike lanes either.  35th Ave. could work, but it doesn't connect well with the street network outside of Jackson Heights.   From a connectivity perspective, 31st Ave. and Woodside Ave. are worth considering, but these are far from the core of our neighborhood.

One alternative that the city may propose, because it has proposed several times in the past, is making 35th Avenue and 37th Avenue a one-way pair.   This would provide plenty of room for protected bike lanes, while also helping make the streets safer for both motorists and pedestrians by reducing the number of turning conflicts.  Years ago, I was strongly opposed to converting these avenues to one-way operations because it could turn them into speedways.  But if the proposal is combined with a protected bike lanes, and a slower traffic light progression (timed to optimizing traffic speeds at 20 mph), I now think it would be a very positive improvement for the neighborhood.   What do you think?
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Alfster on August 03, 2019, 11:12:28 PM
The Mayor has spoken and allocated $53+ million to put protected bike lanes a few neighborhoods. One is Jackson Heights, so there will be a protected bike lane on 37th or 35 Ave. You can’t have bicyclists murdered by cars and believe the city will do nothing. Desperate times call for desperate measures. People will have to adapt to ride bicycles and not drive.

We need to get rid of taxis and have more pedicabs for local trips. 

As far as cyclists are concerned, there should be more regulations.  IMHO, I think that cyclists should take some sort of safety courses, be licensed and insured, require wearing helmets, and have front and rear safety lights.  There are far too many cyclists who ride recklessly and may even contribute to their own injuries and/or deaths to some extent.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: itsit on August 04, 2019, 12:43:18 PM
 WNYC's Brian Lehrer recently did a segment on his radio show titled How to Stay Safe
While Cycling in NYC. It's informative and one personal note he added amazed me which is
that he can bike to work from Inwood to lower Manhattan all the way on protected bike
lanes down the West Side.
This is astonishing and wonderful for him but so so different
from the cycling commute most people have- which he fully admits.

It's worth a listen ---    https://www.wnyc.org/story/bike-safety/
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on August 04, 2019, 06:17:19 PM
I think turning 35th and 37th into one-way pairs will have the negative result of exponentially increasing the traffic on the residential North/South streets, which means more traffic congestion, more pollution below all of our windows, more difficult curb parking, more stress on the existing bike "lanes" on those streets, etc.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: petster on August 04, 2019, 06:58:36 PM
Totally agree. They are eroding the residential portions of our neighborhood little by little.  As a driver and cyclist, I think Roosevelt would be the best bet. Or, why don't they just protect the existing bike lane on 34th avenue. It already exist but needs a green paint job.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Alfster on August 06, 2019, 09:40:46 AM
The Mayor has spoken and allocated $53+ million to put protected bike lanes a few neighborhoods. One is Jackson Heights, so there will be a protected bike lane on 37th or 35 Ave. You can’t have bicyclists murdered by cars and believe the city will do nothing. Desperate times call for desperate measures. People will have to adapt to ride bicycles and not drive.

Oh, JK Resident, are you a car hater?  You sound like Bloomberg on crack!  LOL  ;D :D :'(
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 07, 2019, 06:30:20 AM
Just because we want protected bike lanes to prevent the carnage occurring on our streets does not make me a “car hater”. I often use Uber or Lyft which are car based transportation. It is the new reality we have to adapt to save our planet from the coming global warming. If they can use bikes in Amsterdam, why not here?
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on August 07, 2019, 09:06:15 AM
Quote
It is the new reality we have to adapt to save our planet from the coming global warming.
Our planet will be just fine whether I drive my car or not.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: petster on August 07, 2019, 09:23:20 AM
It seems that the drivers are the ones being demonized here. I see lots of reckless cyclist engaging in a myriad of illegal maneuvers. The bike lanes should go on  Roosevelt.  It wouldn’t help to slow down reckless drivers there.  As far as bikes in Amsterdam, you really can't compare. Amsterdam consist of concentric circular canals. Cars are totally impractical there which is why they use bikes.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 07, 2019, 09:34:16 AM
Roosevelt with the buses can’t host the bike lanes. Also big pieces of metal constantly fall from the 7 train as well as lead paint chips. We need a more clean and practical east west solution. This means 37th or 35th Ave. 35th has the buses also so a protected lane can’t go there. Maybe 34th? but the real serious solution is 37th Ave.  A few parking spots will be eliminated but bicyclist’s safety will be improved.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 07, 2019, 10:01:40 AM
Roosevelt with the buses can’t host the bike lanes. Also big pieces of metal constantly fall from the 7 train as well as lead paint chips. We need a more clean and practical east west solution.

Have you not noticed that there is a giant reconstruction going on at the moment with the 7 train infrastructure? Repainting, repairing etc.

But as soon as all vehicles are computerized, where you plug in where you wanna go and the system senses where you are, and every other vehicle is mapped as well on the network, then bike lanes can be added to Roosevelt Ave. 20 years? 25 years? Until then, alas, no.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 07, 2019, 02:34:23 PM
The buses are not going anywhere soon so please stop suggesting Roosevelt Ave. 35th Ave.  has the same problem. It really is a choice between 34th Ave and 37th. Parking will have to be eliminated on one side of these Avenues.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: itsit on August 07, 2019, 03:15:38 PM
 Once again, I am going to suggest 34th ave. My thought is you could use the median by either
paving on top of it and moving plantings which are slim and vertical as side barriers - maybe
along with those pylon things which is better than the inconsistent green condition of the median
now.
 This way you could have use the existing bike lane width to make it two way on 34th avenue.
I really think this can work because supposedly there is funding to overhaul the median with
some kind of capital project. And this avenue is already used to having a bike lane so no
convincing needed there. If I could draw an architectural plan or use the software, I would try
to illustrate this.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Jhx on August 07, 2019, 03:56:56 PM
I believe the medium on 34th Ave. is original to the Jackson Heights neighborhood that was planned in the 20s. Just thinking about getting rid of that after fighting for years to have it put back, is kind of insulting, and a huge waste of money. What’s wrong with the bike lane that is already existing on 34th Ave.?
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 07, 2019, 05:29:27 PM
Why not take the bike lanes to 32nd ave or protected lanes on Northern Bld?
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 07, 2019, 08:19:19 PM
32nd Ave. is already too far north in East Elmhurst. Northern Blvd. has buses too. I guess 34th Ave would be the most practical. 37th would disrupt businesses.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Jhx on August 07, 2019, 09:20:02 PM
Most practical for who? To far North in East Elmhurst? That makes no sense. By a couple of blocks. They are on bikes aren’t they?
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 07, 2019, 09:59:57 PM
The Mayor’s money is tied to creating protected bike lanes in Jackson Heights 11372 not East Elmhurst. If you put the lanes on the other less congested side of Northern Blvd. then it makes no sense.

Protected bike lanes also protect pedestrians so tragedies like below don’t happen

https://nypost.com/2019/08/07/manhattan-man-struck-by-hit-and-run-cyclist-dies-from-injuries/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Jhx on August 07, 2019, 11:22:49 PM
Then bicyclist should be licensed, and go by the same laws as vehicles
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on August 08, 2019, 06:58:25 AM
Protected bike lanes also protect pedestrians so tragedies like below don’t happen

https://nypost.com/2019/08/07/manhattan-man-struck-by-hit-and-run-cyclist-dies-from-injuries/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
I don't see how protected bike lanes would have prevented any of the 3 pedestrian deaths mentioned in that article.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 08, 2019, 08:18:39 AM
The idea is that people will not be able to wander into the bike lane. It also prevents jay walking. This is not the case on 34th Ave because of the median.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: voelteer on August 08, 2019, 10:01:26 AM
It seems that the drivers are the ones being demonized here. I see lots of reckless cyclist engaging in a myriad of illegal maneuvers. The bike lanes should go on  Roosevelt.  It wouldn’t help to slow down reckless drivers there.  As far as bikes in Amsterdam, you really can't compare. Amsterdam consist of concentric circular canals. Cars are totally impractical there which is why they use bikes.

Just for the record, the current cycling culture realized in the Netherlands and its capital Amsterdam has little to do with the structure of their old city centers. It came about thanks to a citizen-led campaign waged nationwide through the 70s and into the 80s against a post-war car culture that was, as the Dutch bluntly put it, "murdering children" in increasing numbers. For additional background: https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/how-the-dutch-got-their-cycling-infrastructure/

No doubt high population density and relatively flat topography facilitated the cycling infrastructure there, though similar advantages are also present for us here in NYC. What our "Nieuw Amsterdam" needs is continued, growing public awareness, which forums like JHLife have helped provide. Thanks!
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 08, 2019, 10:12:54 AM
It seems that the drivers are the ones being demonized here. I see lots of reckless cyclist engaging in a myriad of illegal maneuvers. The bike lanes should go on  Roosevelt.  It wouldn’t help to slow down reckless drivers there.  As far as bikes in Amsterdam, you really can't compare. Amsterdam consist of concentric circular canals. Cars are totally impractical there which is why they use bikes.

Just for the record, the current cycling culture realized in the Netherlands and its capital Amsterdam has little to do with the structure of their old city centers. It came about thanks to a citizen-led campaign waged nationwide through the 70s and into the 80s against a post-war car culture that was, as the Dutch bluntly put it, "murdering children" in increasing numbers. For additional background: https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/how-the-dutch-got-their-cycling-infrastructure/

No doubt high population density and relatively flat topography facilitated the cycling infrastructure there, though similar advantages are also present for us here in NYC. What our "Nieuw Amsterdam" needs is continued, growing public awareness, which forums like JHLife have helped provide. Thanks!

Having spent time in Amsterdam, I totally agree with this.

It's a cultural thing. In Amsterdam, bikes are more important than cars. That's how the population thinks.
And it becomes second nature to think the same way, after a relatively short while.

In the future, New Yorkers will begin to think more like the Dutch do...concerning bikes and other alternate modes of transport. Rather than the Robert Moses era 1950's thinking of the private car. 10 years? 20 years? 25? Whatever. It'll happen.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on August 08, 2019, 11:04:24 AM
If you're popping down to the corner store to buy some tulips, or riding across town to the park or even heading back and forth to an office job (in nice weather) then I can see why you *might* opt for a bike.  However it doesn't matter how much you want NYers to change their mind, there are simply reasons to use a car that a bike will never replace.  You just aren't being realistic. 
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 08, 2019, 11:30:24 AM
Chingwa. Go live in Amsterdam for a while. You will see.
They have lousy weather. It rains all the time.

Traveling expands a person's mind. And shows that there different ways to live...that are pretty awesome.
That we can learn from. Rather than being closed-minded.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on August 08, 2019, 12:52:58 PM
What a presumptuous thing to say!  I've travelled much of the world, and am not close-minded.  I just don't agree with you.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 08, 2019, 01:19:57 PM
Time will tell the future, Chingwa.

Stubbornness on an online forum won't tell the future. For you, me or anyone.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on August 08, 2019, 01:32:29 PM
All the passive aggressiveness and snide remarks are getting really old.  You're talking about tearing up our streets and screwing with the traffic in our neighborhood for something that a minimum of people will use, and when others point this out you say they are stubborn, close-minded, and parochial because they don't share your utopian fantasy.  Get Fuckin' Real.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 08, 2019, 07:52:31 PM
Would this be a bad time to bring up my new plan to make every other street a car free utopian plaza with birds chirping on the fountains?

There is no reason to argue among ourselves because the decisions to place the protected bike lane will be made NYCDOT professionals. This forum is to create discussion for the neighborhood.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 08, 2019, 09:26:34 PM
All the passive aggressiveness and snide remarks are getting really old.  You're talking about tearing up our streets and screwing with the traffic in our neighborhood for something that a minimum of people will use, and when others point this out you say they are stubborn, close-minded, and parochial because they don't share your utopian fantasy.  Get Fuckin' Real.

And I quote...from you, Chingwa.

"I just don't agree with you."
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 09, 2019, 12:33:14 PM
Would this be a bad time to bring up my new plan to make every other street a car free utopian plaza with birds chirping on the fountains?

There is no reason to argue among ourselves because the decisions to place the protected bike lane will be made NYCDOT professionals. This forum is to create discussion for the neighborhood.

JK Resident. Funny.  ;D
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on August 09, 2019, 01:21:14 PM
Yes, disagreeing is the correct response, not insulting people.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: M7X7 on August 09, 2019, 01:47:35 PM
If you're popping down to the corner store to buy some tulips, or riding across town to the park or even heading back and forth to an office job (in nice weather) then I can see why you *might* opt for a bike.  However it doesn't matter how much you want NYers to change their mind, there are simply reasons to use a car that a bike will never replace.  You just aren't being realistic.

No is suggesting eliminating cars completely. We're just talking about some bike lanes here. There are cars in Amsterdam too, just not as many. And in fact most New Yorkers don't have cars either - are you aware of that? It's not clear to me what you think is fundamentally different.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 09, 2019, 02:49:13 PM
Yes, disagreeing is the correct response, not insulting people.

We have a deal!

No more insulting from me. No more cuss words from you.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on August 09, 2019, 02:55:48 PM
There is a group of people on this forum who would fall into fits of convulsive glee if all the streets were designated car-free zones.  I'm just offering a little balance on the side of reality.

Protected lanes on 37th would be a big mistake, and based on the mayor's (et al) previous track record I have no faith in their ability to recognize this.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on August 09, 2019, 02:57:19 PM

We have a deal!

No more insulting from me. No more cuss words from you.

That's a gosh durn deal!  ;)
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 09, 2019, 06:14:38 PM
We are indeed going to get them citywide. First it was the pedestrian plazas and now it the protected bike lanes. Next up also is the Citibikes that will eliminate much of the parking on 37th Ave.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 09, 2019, 06:53:17 PM
Interestingly, the city pedestrian plazas, like Diversity Plaza, have turned out to be extremely popular and successful.

And the stats show that Citibike is hugely beneficial and highly utilized in NYC. (Most of my pals use it. Personally, I can't wait till it comes here.)

Observing. The city is doing something that's working for its inhabitants.





Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 12, 2019, 08:20:18 AM
The city should just allow these electric mopeds instead. Why bother with citibikes when you could just create electric moped parking areas along 37th Ave.? This seems the way to go.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/nyregion/mopeds-nyc.html
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 12, 2019, 09:03:54 AM
The city should just allow these electric mopeds instead. Why bother with citibikes when you could just create electric moped parking areas along 37th Ave.? This seems the way to go.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/nyregion/mopeds-nyc.html

Yes, perhaps....not a bad idea.   :D Then New York can be like Rome and its vespas! 
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: theplanesland on August 12, 2019, 09:36:18 AM
"There is a group of people on this forum who would fall into fits of convulsive glee if all the streets were designated car-free zones"

Barcelona superblocks or forget about it!

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/9/18300797/barcelona-spain-superblocks-urban-plan
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 12, 2019, 09:50:43 AM
"There is a group of people on this forum who would fall into fits of convulsive glee if all the streets were designated car-free zones"

Barcelona superblocks or forget about it!

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/9/18300797/barcelona-spain-superblocks-urban-plan

Yes! The 1950's Robert Moses car-centric era is over.  Private car owners must now learn to share the roads. They have been kings of the road for decades...they had a good run... but that'll be over soon. It's only fair. As most New Yorkers don't own cars. And numbers equate to power. Simply the facts.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: petster on August 12, 2019, 10:46:16 AM
Why don't we restrict people from leaving their homes so they don't go any where. Maybe travel by bike on alternate odd and even days. Cars are essential to commerce, health care and "connecting to people". To restrict them is to restrict  people. Now that does not mean there can't be room for improvement.  I'm a believer in pedestrian zones, especially on 74 street.  How will the shoppers from Jersey and Conn. get here...by bike??? Really?


Moderator Note:  This post has been modified to remove an off topic image.  Also, please keep in mind that trolling is against JHL forum rules.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 12, 2019, 10:50:22 AM
Why don't we restrict people from leaving their homes so they don't go any where. Maybe travel by bike on alternate odd and even days. Cars are essential to commerce, health care and "connecting to people". To restrict them is to restrict  people. Now that does not mean there can't be room for improvement.  I'm a believer in pedestrian zones, especially on 74 street.  How will the shoppers from Jersey and Conn. get here...by bike??? Really?

The operative word in my post is SHARE the road.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JHResident on August 12, 2019, 05:17:05 PM
Serious bike riders do not use the current bike Lanes. Most of the bike commuters I observe in the morning use Northern Blvd, presumably because they can go faster. Many of the bicycle deaths have involved riders ignoring traffic signals (I've read as many as 1/3) and no one is discussing the pedestrians being struck by bicycles. Protected bike lanes may also be responsible for the increase in deaths due to the increase in ridership.

Where are the public hearings on all of these changes?
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 13, 2019, 09:19:15 AM
Congestion is caused by too many cars and not enough parking spaces. We can’t expect everyone to use an electric scooter or bike but we can make it possible to use these modes of transportation in a safe zone. One thing that most people in JH don’t realize is that many streets with commercial businesses around them don’t have paid parking. 37th Ave from 69th street to 72nd, 73rd from 37th Ave to Broadway is only half metered, 72nd from Broadway to 37th Ave., 72nd from Broadway to Roosevelt, Broadway from 72nd to the BQE.

This is not an complete list but shows how we have a mindset that our streets should be used just to park cars for free all day. This adds to congestion as cars circle the block hunting for the few spots that are paid spots.

Taking parking away and adding protected bike lanes will increase demand for parking spots. This should be combined with making more streets metered. The streets of JH are a valuable commodity and should be treated as such.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JHHD on August 13, 2019, 07:42:42 PM
It's a catch 22.  If you increase the available parking spaces you will increase the number of people willing to drive to the neighborhood and contributing to the congestion.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 14, 2019, 07:55:06 AM
Just to keep the number of parking spots available to residents and non residents you would have to increase the number of metered spots. You can’t increase the number of street parking spots.

BTW Ittadi rented the old Astoria Federal parking lot. This means more parking for shoppers of the Bangladesh grocery and catering hall and none for customers of the bank. Half of the bank is being converted into another grocery store. Demand seems to be exploding for parking.

Adding the protected bike lanes on Broadway would increase demand for parking.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: francis on August 14, 2019, 02:22:32 PM
If the bikes are to be used for commuting purposes then I think Northern is the best option. I would hate it if they were to destroy the median on 34th and think it would cause increased noise, litter and congestion on 35th and 37th.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 16, 2019, 02:35:38 PM
Because of the buses, forget about Northern, Roosevelt, 35th Ave.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on August 16, 2019, 08:57:16 PM
Are bikes too privileged to share the road with buses?
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: dssjh on August 16, 2019, 09:16:31 PM
Are bikes too privileged to share the road with buses?

bus stops must be along the curb. bike lanes have to be protected, thus, along the curb.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: ShinjukuBaby on August 18, 2019, 10:24:40 AM
The sensible thing to do with 34th would be to retain the median, eliminate all on street parking and have two-way cars on one side, two-way bikes on the other.  The bike side would have plenty of room to also add additional green space with benches and trees. 
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 19, 2019, 07:45:50 AM
That would create a number of car accidents and is not needed if you just eliminate the parked cars on one side of the Avenue. That seems to be the only real solution if you consider 37th Ave off limits because of all the stores.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on August 20, 2019, 06:33:32 PM
Quote
eliminate all on street parking and have two-way cars on one side, two-way bikes on the other.

That would be an excess of space for bike lanes which would be used far far less than the car lanes.  It would cause traffic backlog and gridlock as cars attempt to cross oncoming traffic to turn onto residential North/South streets giving the cars behind the turning cars no alternative but to wait and pile up.  This would just be a traffic nightmare for drivers and the nearby residents who would have to put up with it as well.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 22, 2019, 06:45:15 AM
Biking has transformed Copenhagen. We need a serious plan like this in Jackson Heights if we are ever to become carbon neutral.


https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-07/copenhagen-has-taken-bicycle-commuting-to-a-new-level
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: petster on August 22, 2019, 08:19:29 AM
You really cant compare Copenhagen   to JH. Totally different infrastructure and density.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JHMNY on August 22, 2019, 08:44:21 AM
Jackson Heights Post:

DOT to Expand Bike Network in Jackson Heights and Surrounding Areas, Installation Begins this Month (https://jacksonheightspost.com/dot-to-expand-bike-network-in-jackson-heights-and-surrounding-areas-installation-begins-this-month)

The Department of Transportation is expanding its network of bicycle lanes and work is about to begin  in several western Queens neighborhoods.

The DOT will be adding shared and standard bicycle markings to dozens of streets within Jackson Heights, East Elmhurst, Elmhurst and Corona. Construction is expected to take place this month.

None of the markings will be protected bicycle lanes.


(https://i.imgur.com/8cXcZeW.jpg)

Click on above link for complete article.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Marco on August 22, 2019, 10:16:26 AM
Thanks, JHMNY for sharing article and map. Glad to learn of this.


What are the causal factors leading to Community Board Districts 3 & 4 being "...designated “Priority Bicycle Districts” by the administration, given the high number of injuries and limited existing bicycle network"? What local activism took place for this to happen?



Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: jh35 on August 22, 2019, 10:31:53 AM
Thanks, JHMNY for sharing article and map. Glad to learn of this.


What are the causal factors leading to Community Board Districts 3 & 4 being "...designated “Priority Bicycle Districts” by the administration, given the high number of injuries and limited existing bicycle network"? What local activism took place for this to happen?

I do not own a car. What this neighborhood needs is a large parking structure.  Then they can take away some street parking to have safe bike lanes. The parking situation will get worse if bike lanes are implemented.

A large parking structure would be very expensive. I do not see it happening. It is cheaper to appease the masses with cosmetic changes like Diversity Plaza.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 22, 2019, 10:44:48 PM
Painting some lines on the ground will do very little to actually prevent a bicyclist getting hit by a car. Waste of time.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 26, 2019, 07:15:39 AM

Cyclists are demanding action from the Mayor.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/25/nyc-cyclists-want-de-blasio-off-2020-campaign-trail/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on August 27, 2019, 12:05:53 PM
After going down 82nd and 81st streets, I had a bike in front of me and noticed that even if you put bike lanes you would have to eliminate parking on the bus side of the street to allow space for the bicycles. Most bicycles will still ride in the middle of the street for fear of a door from a car opening up. I don’t believe the design calls for elimination of parking on one side of the street.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: ShinjukuBaby on August 31, 2019, 04:16:53 AM
They really do need to eliminate some of the free on street parking in the area.  It creates countless problems for busses, ambulances, traffic and yes, bikes.  All of the resultant double parking leads to noise and pollution. 

Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on September 05, 2019, 10:23:30 AM
The death toll keeps going up and yet the city is not installing protected bike lanes. Where are our elected officials?

https://www.amny.com/transit/cyclist-killed-brooklyn-1.33644652
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Alfster on September 07, 2019, 09:26:22 AM
The death toll keeps going up and yet the city is not installing protected bike lanes. Where are our elected officials?

https://www.amny.com/transit/cyclist-killed-brooklyn-1.33644652

I think that the only viable option is no private motorized vehicles.  We need more electric busses and uber vehicles to provide transit for the masses.  For those who want to travel on their own, provide bike lanes.  We'll clean up the air and reduce cyclists deaths in no time!
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on September 07, 2019, 02:26:23 PM
Fantasy land is not a solution.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on September 09, 2019, 08:23:10 AM
When is there going to be an end to the carnage? Still we don’t have protected bike lanes.

https://nypost.com/2019/09/09/cyclist-struck-by-sanitation-truck-in-brooklyn/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JHHD on September 09, 2019, 05:23:27 PM
Protected bike lanes will not end interactions with vehicles at intersections.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on October 10, 2019, 01:36:47 AM
Well the problem keeps getting worse and I have not seen the new bike lanes.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/05/10-year-old-cyclist-killed-in-brooklyn-23rd-bike-related-fatality-this-year/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Alfster on October 10, 2019, 03:34:27 PM
Well the problem keeps getting worse and I have not seen the new bike lanes.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/05/10-year-old-cyclist-killed-in-brooklyn-23rd-bike-related-fatality-this-year/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

Well, don't you worry.  They are on the way.  #safetyfirst #protectthebikers
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on October 18, 2019, 06:10:30 PM
It seems the more people are biking the less local politicians care about their safety. I saw the new bike lanes starting to be painted on 82nd Street but not a true protected bike lane. When will these people wake up?

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-cyclist-dies-crash-20191018-gxzw632edrchpbpefsw7txgmbm-story.html

Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: jh35 on October 18, 2019, 08:42:52 PM
It seems the more people are biking the less local politicians care about their safety. I saw the new bike lanes starting to be painted on 82nd Street but not a true protected bike lane. When will these people wake up?

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-cyclist-dies-crash-20191018-gxzw632edrchpbpefsw7txgmbm-story.html

The new bike lanes in the 70's (73 and 74?) are atrocious. ...next to the parked cars and sticking into the middle of the street.  It seems to be designed to get bicyclists hurt.

Without more parking, there is not much that can be done.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on October 24, 2019, 11:51:17 PM
Gentrification is killing our cyclists.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/24/transportation-chief-says-suv-popularity-gentrification-behind-cyclist-deaths/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on October 29, 2019, 11:59:21 AM
Finally some action that agrees with what I have been saying. The only true way to protect cyclists is to create more protected bike lanes and not some painted lines.


https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2019/10/29/after-rise-in-cyclist-deaths--lawmakers-to-pass-plan-to-build-250-miles-of-protected-bike-lanes


Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JHResident on October 31, 2019, 10:51:07 AM
The more cyclists there are the more accidents there will be. Do the math.
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JK resident on November 12, 2019, 12:01:20 PM
Look at the results of having these ridiculous unprotected bike lanes in the middle of the road in Queens.

 https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/1194073978123493377?embed_source=clientlib&player_id=0&rpc_init=1&autoplay=1&language_code=en&use_syndication_guest_id=true

Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on November 12, 2019, 01:27:13 PM
Where is this?  I've never seen bike lanes like this. 
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Alfster on November 12, 2019, 03:00:08 PM
Look at the results of having these ridiculous unprotected bike lanes in the middle of the road in Queens.

 https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/1194073978123493377?embed_source=clientlib&player_id=0&rpc_init=1&autoplay=1&language_code=en&use_syndication_guest_id=true

OMG who was the idiot that allowed such a dangerous and unprotected bike lane like this?!!
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: the80s on November 12, 2019, 03:22:03 PM
Look at the results of having these ridiculous unprotected bike lanes in the middle of the road in Queens.

 https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/1194073978123493377?embed_source=clientlib&player_id=0&rpc_init=1&autoplay=1&language_code=en&use_syndication_guest_id=true

Where is this?  I've never seen bike lanes like this. 

I believe this is the bike lane at the corner of Greenpoint Ave & Borden Ave.
https://goo.gl/maps/KdpqvNUiHMXDSCBp7

According to the Patch story, the cyclist was waiting at a red light when a speeding driver hit him as well as several other cars.
https://patch.com/new-york/astoria-long-island-city/amp/28405021/4-hurt-after-queens-driver-hits-car-cyclist-then-flees-video
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: JHHD on November 12, 2019, 04:57:43 PM
Here's one of our neighbors who was hit by a driver who then tried to flee.
https://twitter.com/radlerkoenigin/status/1192801479737978881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: itsit on November 13, 2019, 10:50:55 AM
 Wow, this person crashes into a cyclist and then drives on the sidewalk almost hitting another vehicle to get away. Must find this person, fine big time and take away their license/vehicle now. Outrageous!
Title: Re: Where in JH should the city place the new protected bike lanes?
Post by: Chingwa on November 13, 2019, 10:17:44 PM
I always assumed there was some kind of basic traffic safety regulations when it came to how bike lanes and traffic lanes are supposed to interact, that is until I saw the hack job the city did on Queen's Boulevard, where they have forced bike lanes to cross high speed traffic lanes.  It's complete insanity.  Similar ineptitude is shown in the bike lanes in that video... who designed this junk?  Traffic lanes should never cross bike lanes and vice versa, isn't that common sense?  Instead they throw the bikes and cars together as if anything bad that might occur is simply down to the negligence of the driver or biker... City traffic planners have a lot of blood on their hands.