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Title: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: McBoard on June 25, 2019, 09:03:18 PM
Hello everyone,

I'm posting to draw attention to what has become a serious problem with drug dealing on the blocks from 86th through 88th between Roosevelt and 37th. The dealers tend to be most active between 10:00AM and 6:00PM especially on 87th. They operate completely out in the open, with absolutely no concern for being spotted.

We have reported this activity to the NCOs for our sector (officers Scala and Leibold) and have encouraged residents to to do the same, as well as lodge complaints at the 115th Precinct in person. Several have done this but the results have been unsatisfactory. We have been told that they would increase patrols on these blocks but the activity continues. Some have called the police when they see deals happening but the 115 does not respond.

I have attached photos of the dealers (and possibly their supplier) that were pulled from our building's security cameras. We are hoping that other people in the community will take action and force the 115th to do something.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: 80JHer on June 25, 2019, 09:05:35 PM
Ridiculous. Where does are tax $ go?   Thanks for posting. It’s like being back in the 70’s
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: McBoard on June 25, 2019, 09:14:22 PM
Sorry for adding additional posts with the photos. JH Life's maximum file size is quite low.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: McBoard on June 25, 2019, 09:22:38 PM
Here are a few more. Sorry again for the multiple posts but staying below the maximum file size is a bit difficult.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: McBoard on June 25, 2019, 09:29:05 PM
Ok, one more of the person who may be the supplier. He always wears a hoodie and sun glasses. He tends to avoid looking at buildings where cameras may be and seems to have surveyed the area for security cameras. The photo is lousy but hopefully someone will recognize him.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: Samrichy on June 26, 2019, 10:57:45 AM
Err- Are you just posting photos of people and accusing them of being drug dealers?
This is pretty low, and I don't even see any proof in those photos. Hope you don't catch me 'dealing drugs' when I'm really just fishing for my keys.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: McBoard on June 26, 2019, 12:10:36 PM
Err- Are you just posting photos of people and accusing them of being drug dealers?
This is pretty low, and I don't even see any proof in those photos. Hope you don't catch me 'dealing drugs' when I'm really just fishing for my keys.

We wouldn't have decided to post the photos if it wasn't happening. We don't really care what people do in their own private spaces, but we don't want it happening in front of our building, every day, for 4 months now. Nor are we interested in the additional problems that often comes with such activity. This is not an unreasonable position.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: JK resident on June 26, 2019, 12:15:44 PM
That part of Jackson Heights near Corona has always had drug deals and more crime than the 70’s part
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: jeanette on June 26, 2019, 12:25:00 PM
That part of Jackson Heights near Corona has always had drug deals and more crime than the 70’s part

87th is not "near corona." Corona is east of Junction Blvd.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: jeanette on June 26, 2019, 12:26:48 PM
Err- Are you just posting photos of people and accusing them of being drug dealers?
This is pretty low, and I don't even see any proof in those photos. Hope you don't catch me 'dealing drugs' when I'm really just fishing for my keys.

tactix
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: jhlifer on June 26, 2019, 01:32:32 PM
McBoard - I trust you have contacted Francisco Moya's office - that is what he has a staff for.
If you are not satisfied by the NYPD's response then you have to have people call CONSTANTLY.  Only then will the precinct be held accountable when there are a huge number of 311 calls on the same issue.  Plus you should try the local news channels and ask for their assistance.
I am sure that none of this would welcome this type of activity in front of our homes day-in and day-out.
You just have to keep the pressure on people who are paid to respond.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: JHHD on June 26, 2019, 08:28:04 PM
Taking pictures of people you think are drug dealers and posting them in a way that gives clues as to where the pictures are being taken from is probably not the best idea.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 26, 2019, 08:32:37 PM
My thought is to compose and hang a huge poster/sign saying " This area is under total surveillance 24/7 with high resolution video and photographic cameras."
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: Jeffsayyes on June 26, 2019, 09:18:45 PM
Which drugs?
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: JDinJH on June 26, 2019, 09:21:59 PM
You guys are completely out of luck!!! Caban will not prosecute people like this.   Assuming the police arrest them for committing crimes, these guys will get no cash bond, even if they were charged with felony-level drug-related crimes, the DA will not prosecute, and they will probably go celebrate with hookers, that they will probably pick up on Roosevelt Avenue.  Welcome to our new reality.   
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: odyshape on June 27, 2019, 12:45:24 PM
There's also the 2 to 3 guys always standing on the NW corner of Roosevelt and 79th, directing people to the alley and/or house next to Kitchen 79. They are there so much they even show up on Googlemaps. The local police here are a joke - they either are in the pocket or don't care.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 27, 2019, 02:42:53 PM
Another idea...organize a demonstration of Jackson Heights residents to stand there while this is happening.

Simply stand there.

20 people or more.  There is strength in numbers.

Yet another idea would be to play the recording of a police siren. Unexpectedly. Simply to randomly scare these guys.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: JK resident on June 27, 2019, 07:56:21 PM
Great way to get killed or injured. Take on illegal drug dealers.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: McBoard on June 27, 2019, 09:41:46 PM
@abcdefghijk Your ideas are all fun and would be worth a try, but JKResident makes a good point. Many of the residents who spend a lot of time outside, and who have witnessed what has been happening, are elderly. We wouldn't want to open them up to retaliation by these idiots.

If the 115th would be willing to contact one of the board members who have sent emails to our NCOs, or contact the people who complained at the precinct, we would gladly let them review the footage from our security cameras, which would provide ample evidence of what has been going on. The best that they have done is assure us that they will send more patrol cars down our block. This issue could be solved in a day with three undercover officers stationed strategically.

We have contacted both the offices of Daniel Dromm and Francisco Moya over the past few months. The response has been underwhelming.

To those who are accusing us of simply taking photos of random people, what you are missing (perhaps because you didn't read the previous posts), is that this has been going on for months. All of the photos that were posted were pulled from our security cameras on different days, and one shows a deal happening. Also, with the exception of two, each photo shows the same person. When it happens almost every day, it's pretty easy to see what is going on especially when no effort is made to hide it.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: francis on June 28, 2019, 10:33:19 AM
Just reported this to the 115th. I hadn't seen this thread until just now but it's become increasingly more obvious on 86 street and 35 ave,
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: Jeffsayyes on June 28, 2019, 11:03:00 AM
I am sure they already know about it....


What are they selling?


It's probably more trouble than it's worth. They can't tell what they are dealing and they may or may not be armed. Much easier and safer to give street vendors tickets.


BUT if you complain at one of the town halls etc then they will probably stand there for about a week.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: 80JHer on June 28, 2019, 01:36:38 PM
we do realize the historic district of JH just fell all over themselves to help elect a DA that ran on a platform of stopping prosecution of drug and prostitution.

so what is literally the point of arresting them?  no punishments anymore.   

Queens is about to be pimp, ho, and drug dealer city.  street gangs securing preferred corners and streets.   

should get interesting....
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: dssjh on June 28, 2019, 05:20:41 PM
get out while the getting's good.

sell, sell ,sell.....

that way Katz's contingent at REBNY get in on the action, too.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: McBoard on June 28, 2019, 08:26:56 PM
I am sure they already know about it....


What are they selling?


It's probably more trouble than it's worth. They can't tell what they are dealing and they may or may not be armed. Much easier and safer to give street vendors tickets.


BUT if you complain at one of the town halls etc then they will probably stand there for about a week.

We're not sure what they're selling, but we don't think that it's just pot for reasons that are better not described here. There is also a pattern in how they work, which is also best not described here. I will say that none of the people concerned appear to be particularly smart and that is what concerns us most.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: McBoard on June 28, 2019, 08:28:04 PM
Just reported this to the 115th. I hadn't seen this thread until just now but it's become increasingly more obvious on 86 street and 35 ave,

Thank you for reporting it. Are they the same people in the photos?
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: McBoard on June 28, 2019, 08:56:13 PM
get out while the getting's good.

sell, sell ,sell.....

that way Katz's contingent at REBNY get in on the action, too.

I'm not sure to whom your sarcastic comments about selling are directed, or even why you are making them, but they aren't particularly useful. We decided, as a board, to start this thread. We decided, again as a board, to do this in response to numerous complaints from our residents, many of whom have lived here since at least the 80s. We have an obligation to address the concerns of our shareholders, as well as an obligation to our community to address issues that affect the quality of life in our immediate area.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: jeanette on June 28, 2019, 09:48:35 PM
Just reported this to the 115th. I hadn't seen this thread until just now but it's become increasingly more obvious on 86 street and 35 ave,

Francis, what have you seen taking place on 86th and 35th? Do you mean 37th (a mistake I occasionally make)? Is the activity in or out of a particular apt building? The Salvation Army building?
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-8
Post by: Jhx on June 28, 2019, 10:46:09 PM
 Her sarcastic comments aren’t particularly useful, and are directed to anybody on this board who will read them. If you will see she’s got over 4000 posts already… 
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: JK resident on June 29, 2019, 07:29:30 AM
Many people who support the legalization of drugs and prostitution believe this is harmless minor criminal activity. They believe we can be like Amsterdam. We were once called New Amsterdam. I remember what certain parts of the neighborhood looked like in 1991 at the height of the crime wave. Cabán was all of 3 years old. It was a scary time and Jackson Heights was the drug money laundering center. When they start selling drugs in front of your home and you have prostitution (both male and female) on your street then people are upset. All politics is local.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: itsit on June 30, 2019, 10:39:25 AM
  My understanding is that calling the precinct from as many different numbers as possible
is the best way to start a serious investigation, it goes onto some kind of docket where
progress is frequently checked upon. The amount of different contact numbers is important
here as it says to them that more than one household is observing this behavior and wants
it stopped! Get as many people as you know to call and repeat this until you see some
change.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: dssjh on June 30, 2019, 01:36:24 PM
  My understanding is that calling the precinct from as many different numbers as possible
is the best way to start a serious investigation, it goes onto some kind of docket where
progress is frequently checked upon. The amount of different contact numbers is important
here as it says to them that more than one household is observing this behavior and wants
it stopped! Get as many people as you know to call and repeat this until you see some
change.

this is excellent advice. we have a landline and two cell phones. when making complaints, to the 115th or to 311, we use at least two of those.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: earbears on June 30, 2019, 02:18:13 PM
Notified the 115th - being transferred to Narcotics Unit for follow-up.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: Bill on June 30, 2019, 07:38:21 PM
Many people who support the legalization of drugs and prostitution believe this is harmless minor criminal activity. They believe we can be like Amsterdam. We were once called New Amsterdam. I remember what certain parts of the neighborhood looked like in 1991 at the height of the crime wave. Cabán was all of 3 years old. It was a scary time and Jackson Heights was the drug money laundering center. When they start selling drugs in front of your home and you have prostitution (both male and female) on your street then people are upset. All politics is local.

I remember those days with some nostalgia. At least the occasional drive-by shooting kept the yuppies out.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: KGDHP on June 30, 2019, 08:08:58 PM
Many people who support the legalization of drugs and prostitution believe this is harmless minor criminal activity. They believe we can be like Amsterdam. We were once called New Amsterdam. I remember what certain parts of the neighborhood looked like in 1991 at the height of the crime wave. Cabán was all of 3 years old. It was a scary time and Jackson Heights was the drug money laundering center. When they start selling drugs in front of your home and you have prostitution (both male and female) on your street then people are upset. All politics is local.

I remember those days with some nostalgia. At least the occasional drive-by shooting kept the yuppies out.

Bill, you've got to be kidding right? I'm genuinely hoping this is sarcasm because I cannot fathom anyone saying and meaning something so foolish. You think yuppies Re the problem here? More so than drugs, gangs, and shootings? Wow.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: dssjh on June 30, 2019, 09:41:05 PM
not at all a fan of hard drugs, but never met a weed dealer i didn't like. they're like bartenders, only they don't sample their own wares.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: JK resident on July 13, 2019, 02:09:59 AM
Dangerous around 95th Street. These blocks are not as safe as the 70’s part of JH

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-two-shot-in-head-in-queens-20190713-s6b325qacvhuhdwz24mob7lmm4-story.html
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: McBoard on July 13, 2019, 09:04:47 AM
Notified the 115th - being transferred to Narcotics Unit for follow-up.

Did anything ever come of this? It seemed as though it had subsided but they were out again on Thursday.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: francis on July 13, 2019, 09:10:02 AM
I notified the 115th community affairs about 2 weeks ago re drugs on 35th ave. and 86 street.  To date:CRICKETS
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: buzz on July 21, 2019, 11:02:01 AM
I notified the 115th community affairs about 2 weeks ago re drugs on 35th ave. and 86 street.  To date:CRICKETS
Maybe they are part of this business empire
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: petster on July 21, 2019, 12:18:14 PM
….Possible, Very, very possible. We've been complaining about illegal social security cards being sold, prostitution, and gang violence in addition to the drugs being sold in the open for years with the same result.  Not only a poor response from the !!5th but from our local "elected" officials.  Keep complaining and document everything.  When elections roll around, confront them with it.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 21, 2019, 12:55:09 PM
An idea.

Other communities in NYC organize their own security patrols if the policing situation isn't satisfactory.

Is it worth hiring security guards to patrol the area? At least for a week or two. To test how that effects the dealers.



Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: CaptainFlannel on July 21, 2019, 02:02:16 PM
I flagged this post awhile ago. Posting photos of random people with accusations of them being drug dealers just doesn't sit right with me. I would think someone's image, while not specifically included as personal information in the rules, ought to qualify as personal information. I guess the moderators are okay with that.

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Respect others' privacy: Because of privacy issues, it is against the rules of the board to post anyone's full name, address, or any other personal information (e.g. email address, phone number, etc.) without permission.


Err- Are you just posting photos of people and accusing them of being drug dealers?
This is pretty low, and I don't even see any proof in those photos. Hope you don't catch me 'dealing drugs' when I'm really just fishing for my keys.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 21, 2019, 06:16:06 PM
I flagged this post awhile ago. Posting photos of random people with accusations of them being drug dealers just doesn't sit right with me. I would think someone's image, while not specifically included as personal information in the rules, ought to qualify as personal information. I guess the moderators are okay with that.

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Respect others' privacy: Because of privacy issues, it is against the rules of the board to post anyone's full name, address, or any other personal information (e.g. email address, phone number, etc.) without permission.





Err- Are you just posting photos of people and accusing them of being drug dealers?
This is pretty low, and I don't even see any proof in those photos. Hope you don't catch me 'dealing drugs' when I'm really just fishing for my keys.



"In general, if the photograph was taken in a public place (ie a place where there is not a reasonable expectation of privacy) where photography is not prohibited, and is not used commercially, no permission is required. "

and this...

"You can also stop the website use if the photo defames you—that is, it creates a false impression and injures your reputation."

Thus the folks in the photo must battle whether the photo with its accusation is correct or not. I believe the situation is that the folks in the photo must complain about being accused as drug dealers for the photo to be taken down.

Now, that would be interesting...
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: CaptainFlannel on July 22, 2019, 01:16:36 PM
^what are you quoting from?  Those quotes are not included in the Rules and Guidelines for this Site.
http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=48.0 (http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=48.0)

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I believe the situation is that the folks in the photo must complain about being accused as drug dealers for the photo to be taken down.

Alternately, the moderators could decide to take the photos down because other users have flagged it as problematic. The moderators are free to run their forum as they see fit, so there is no "must." They are free to do what they want, which seems to be leave up photos of people accused by anonymous online users of being drug dealers
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: petster on July 22, 2019, 02:57:51 PM
When you see the  same people day after day standing in the same place day after day and cars coming and going is suspicious.  Closing your eyes to potential illegal activity is naive and dangerous. If you see something say something. Having pictures will either verify or discredit the claim.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 23, 2019, 10:02:18 AM
^what are you quoting from?  Those quotes are not included in the Rules and Guidelines for this Site.
http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=48.0 (http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=48.0)

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I believe the situation is that the folks in the photo must complain about being accused as drug dealers for the photo to be taken down.



That's the law concerning photos on any websites and defamation.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: CaptainFlannel on July 24, 2019, 08:27:30 AM
^okay, well, I'm not talking about the legal requirements, but about the forum rules and guidelines, which I quoted from and were created by the owners and moderators of the site.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: ClydeM on July 24, 2019, 09:11:30 PM
I've seen the people in the photos and yes, they are dealers (the tall, skinny white dude is pretty active). Also, the OP mentioned that they did not simply post "random" photos, and only posted the photos after receiving numerous complaints from the people on their block over a long period of time, and getting no response from the 115th. I fail to see the problem with posting the photos.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: c11732 on July 25, 2019, 06:48:29 PM
Zero reports on paper = Zero problems.
Call 311 repeatedly
Send pictures.
When there are enough reports action will happen.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: hfm on July 27, 2019, 04:55:53 PM
Zero reports on paper = Zero problems.
Call 311 repeatedly
Send pictures.
When there are enough reports action will happen.

How is calling 311 supposed to be better than calling the precinct? Seems backwards. Isn't 311 just going to report to the precinct themselves? Does 311 hold more accountability cards for the precinct or something and it's all blind without 311 accountability checks?
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: petster on July 27, 2019, 07:06:54 PM
With 311 you get a complaint number that documents  the call and the problem . It's proof that you called. That's not true when you call the precinct directly.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: McBoard on September 09, 2019, 09:18:35 PM
An update on this: We're sorry to report that the situation has become worse over the past few months. NCOs Liebold and Scala with the 115th, while responsive, have basically told us that there is not much that they can do (they say they are spread too thin). Francisco Moya's office has not responded to AT ALL to numerous emails from the board or residents (we will remember this when he is up for re-election). Trips in person to the the 115th have proved to be absolutely useless.

In the meantime, the dealers have been encroaching on our co-op, sometimes sitting on our stoops, approaching residents and trying to sell to them, and doing business with employees at businesses along 37th Ave. They have been involved in at least two fights on 37th Ave in the past month (possible turf war?) and one of them is likely responsible for the robbery of the bodega referenced here: https://jacksonheightspost.com/man-steals-1400-in-jackson-heights-armed-robbery

The Pollyannas on this board can complain all they want about posting photos, but our residents have been dealing with this day in and day out. The 115th and our elected officials do nothing.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: toddg on September 09, 2019, 09:27:58 PM
I recommend frequent calls to 311.   Those calls are tracked systematically, and the precinct will be accountable to the mayor's office for performance.  Calls to the precinct aren't necessarily tracked or followed up systematically.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: KGDHP on September 09, 2019, 09:30:16 PM
An update on this: We're sorry to report that the situation has become worse over the past few months. NCOs Liebold and Scala with the 115th, while responsive, have basically told us that there is not much that they can do (they say they are spread too thin). Francisco Moya's office has not responded to AT ALL to numerous emails from the board or residents (we will remember this when he is up for re-election). Trips in person to the the 115th have proved to be absolutely useless.

In the meantime, the dealers have been encroaching on our co-op, sometimes sitting on our stoops, approaching residents and trying to sell to them, and doing business with employees at businesses along 37th Ave. They have been involved in at least two fights on 37th Ave in the past month (possible turf war?) and one of them is likely responsible for the robbery of the bodega referenced here: https://jacksonheightspost.com/man-steals-1400-in-jackson-heights-armed-robbery

The Pollyannas on this board can complain all they want about posting photos, but our residents have been dealing with this day in and day out. The 115th and our elected officials do nothing.

I'm really sorry to hear about this and it's a real shame to hear it's worsened. If you pop on over to the other thread about the guys on 79th, there's been talk, I hope seriously, about organizing some kind of rally, press OBVIOUSLY invited, to call attention to our local precincts and elected officials doing NOTHING to help this situation get better.

I think your coop should join in.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 10, 2019, 09:23:34 AM
An update on this: We're sorry to report that the situation has become worse over the past few months. NCOs Liebold and Scala with the 115th, while responsive, have basically told us that there is not much that they can do (they say they are spread too thin). Francisco Moya's office has not responded to AT ALL to numerous emails from the board or residents (we will remember this when he is up for re-election). Trips in person to the the 115th have proved to be absolutely useless.

In the meantime, the dealers have been encroaching on our co-op, sometimes sitting on our stoops, approaching residents and trying to sell to them, and doing business with employees at businesses along 37th Ave. They have been involved in at least two fights on 37th Ave in the past month (possible turf war?) and one of them is likely responsible for the robbery of the bodega referenced here: https://jacksonheightspost.com/man-steals-1400-in-jackson-heights-armed-robbery

The Pollyannas on this board can complain all they want about posting photos, but our residents have been dealing with this day in and day out. The 115th and our elected officials do nothing.

I wrote this on the other thread re: Vice in our neighborhood on 79th St/Roosevelt, and am repeating it here.

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I would say that the next time citizens approach the 115th District with this complaint re:Vice in our neighborhood, tell the police you are going to the PRESS and planning LOUD RALLIES unless action is taken.

I imagine results will be seen immediately.



Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: Jhx on October 02, 2019, 11:25:23 AM
I’m videotaping them now as they are meeting and testing out their wares. Apparently looks like Coke because hes snorting it off his hand.  Three Hispanic men, one Hispanic woman. Always knapsacks changing money and what not, been out there about 10 minutes already smoking and coking. They are just so blatant, that’s the annoying part.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: KGDHP on October 02, 2019, 11:29:34 AM
I’m videotaping them now as they are meeting and testing out their wares. Apparently looks like Coke because hes snorting it off his hand.  Three Hispanic men, one Hispanic woman. Always knapsacks changing money and what not, been out there about 10 minutes already smoking and coking. They are just so blatant, that’s the annoying part.

Call the cops ASAP. Tell them people are selling drugs and you're worried one of them has a gun/they're getting violent. They will come. Trust me.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: Jhx on October 02, 2019, 11:29:55 AM
I just called 911
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: toddg on October 02, 2019, 11:36:05 AM
Public service announcement: Please don't make false reports about seeing guns, just to get attention.  That's illegal, and endangers everyone's safety.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: Jhx on October 02, 2019, 12:15:18 PM
 So they’ve scattered after an hour, and still waiting for the police. Knowing full well they weren’t going to show up.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on October 02, 2019, 12:47:38 PM
There's a police force in Jackson Heights?
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: am315 on October 02, 2019, 01:38:09 PM
I have been suggesting we organize and do a peaceful protest on 79th and Roosevelt. But there doesn't seem to be any interest on this board -- so far. I also notice that now the massage parlor ladies are out every night in a very brazen way. It's really disappointing and seems worse than when I first moved to the area just five years ago.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: KGDHP on October 02, 2019, 03:58:53 PM
There's a police force in Jackson Heights?

LOL that is so sad. BTW you know they came to the Community Board 3 meeting with "stats" and proudly touting how they are the most improved precinct in the city. When pressed about a perceived rise in crime, the response was "that's not what the numbers say."

UNREAL. I would love to know what percentage of their crime stats go unreported to show their #'s "down."
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: KGDHP on October 02, 2019, 04:00:53 PM
I have been suggesting we organize and do a peaceful protest on 79th and Roosevelt. But there doesn't seem to be any interest on this board -- so far. I also notice that now the massage parlor ladies are out every night in a very brazen way. It's really disappointing and seems worse than when I first moved to the area just five years ago.

Well I am on board with this and I am so sick of avoiding Roosevelt like the plague. I think maybe one other was as well, but a peaceful protest of 3 isn't going to do much. The guys standing on the corner everyday practically outnumber that. Can we get this discussion revived please?
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on October 02, 2019, 04:53:43 PM
When my apartment was broken into, the police did not file a police report.......because not much was taken.  That'll keep the numbers down.  (This was @ 10 years ago.)
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: r on October 02, 2019, 07:40:31 PM
Well I am on board with this and I am so sick of avoiding Roosevelt like the plague.

Roosevelt actually looks nice now in the daytime after they repainted the 7 line. It's so green and clean.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: BelowThe7 on October 02, 2019, 07:49:23 PM
It’s pretty much out of control.  Not just streetwalkers on almost every block but their pimps standing close by.  Not even trying to hide it.   it’s a rapid deterioration and yet our newly elected officials—all of whom I voted for, by the way—have yet to say a word.  It’s crazy. 
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: KGDHP on October 02, 2019, 09:03:39 PM
Well I am on board with this and I am so sick of avoiding Roosevelt like the plague.

Roosevelt actually looks nice now in the daytime after they repainted the 7 line. It's so green and clean.

While I honestly do appreciate that positivity, there is literally nothing visually nice about Roosevelt avenue, green paint aside. But yes, it looks 3,000xs better than it did. I honestly would LOVE if they redid the stations like in Astoria, but I just don't know if that'll happen.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: dssjh on October 02, 2019, 09:39:20 PM
When my apartment was broken into, the police did not file a police report.......because not much was taken.  That'll keep the numbers down.  (This was @ 10 years ago.)

something similar happened when my apartment was broken into in Astoria back in '93 or so. the thieves unplugged and moved the TV and VCR, but then found cash and left with just that. cops from the 114th said "we'll take your report, but they won't be caught, so it's a waste of time."
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: KGDHP on October 03, 2019, 09:44:51 AM
Just wanted to offer a friendly update that it's 9:44 am and our favorite guys on 79th and Roos are running a thriving business under an umbrella. It. Never. Ends.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 03, 2019, 11:09:58 AM
When they are not there...

Perhaps put up a sign reading "This area is under constant surveillance and being recorded by video camera" 

In English and other languages.



Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: CaptainFlannel on October 03, 2019, 11:28:30 AM
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something similar happened when my apartment was broken into in Astoria back in '93 or so. the thieves unplugged and moved the TV and VCR, but then found cash and left with just that. cops from the 114th said "we'll take your report, but they won't be caught, so it's a waste of time."

How is that similar to not filing a report?

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I would love to know what percentage of their crime stats go unreported to show their #'s "down."

If the crimes aren't being reported, they aren't part of the crime stats.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: KGDHP on October 03, 2019, 01:09:25 PM
When they are not there...

Perhaps put up a sign reading "This area is under constant surveillance and being recorded by video camera" 

In English and other languages.

OMG I LOVE THIS IDEA. Except, 1. When are they not there? LOL and 2. Somehow I doubt that it would deter them. But we can dream!!!

Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 03, 2019, 01:36:40 PM
When they are not there...

Perhaps put up a sign reading "This area is under constant surveillance and being recorded by video camera" 

In English and other languages.

OMG I LOVE THIS IDEA. Except, 1. When are they not there? LOL and 2. Somehow I doubt that it would deter them. But we can dream!!!

In Brooklyn, a building I used to live in, did this, (even though we definitely had no video camera). The problem wasn't drug dealers, it was folks trespassing and littering.

It worked.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: Jhx on October 03, 2019, 03:49:27 PM
 I’m pretty sure I’m going to get nasty comments, but I say bring back Giuliani style enforcement. The rules and laws already exist, they only need to be enforced.   Unfortunately, the politicians in this state have  their own agenda. Look at California. This is exactly where my hometown NYC is headed. :(
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: McBoard on October 03, 2019, 11:13:02 PM
An update: We have been trying to collect videos (as opposed to just still photos) of deals going down to send to the NCOs for Sector C and the 115th. We feel that it would be better to bombard them with a bunch of evidence at one time as opposed to sending emails once a week.

The new development is that someone from a business along 37th has become increasingly involved, to the extent that one of the people in the photos above may be employed with one to make "deliveries" for them. This is unfortunate because it is a well liked business. It is quite possible that the owner does not know that this is happening since they are not often on site and have put someone else in charge of making hires for low level positions.

One of the people in the photos above was spotted today around 6:00, on a red scooter and speaking with someone wearing a fluorescent yellow ski mask on 37th near 86th. This seems like a bad omen.

The 115th, Francisco Moya, and Daniel Dromm seem to be unwilling to take this issue, as well as the issue at 79th and Roosevelt seriously. Part of the problem might be that the 115th is simply too large to police effectively given the problems that are present. Still, it should be fairly easy to solve the problem of the dealers and what is going on on 79th and Roosevelt because it is so out in the open. Just stick a plain clothes cop in an unmarked car in either location for 24 hours and arrests could be made.

A protest is a good idea, but it would probably better for us to show up en masse at the 115th Precinct with media in tow. Protesting the actual sites of the offenses would probably be ineffective and could put people in danger. We aren't exactly dealing with people who are inclined to see the error of their ways, and they most likely abide by a different moral code than those of us who have a certain amount of respect for the community.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: Jhx on October 04, 2019, 08:37:36 AM
Yup, The red scooter guy is definitely part of this gang.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: petster on October 04, 2019, 12:39:38 PM
Is it possible to share-from which establishment this person comes from. I cant understand why Dromm and Moya are not addressing this. They work for us. Time to elect people who are interested in the safety of their constituents.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: McBoard on October 11, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
Red scooter guy (AKA red jacket guy, AKA puffy yellow jacket guy) has been quite active this evening. This is such an easy case for the 115th that it's absolutely ludicrous that they are taking absolutely no action. They could post it on twitter, facebook, etc. as proof that they are fighting crime.

Our guess is that Moya and Dromm are not addressing these issues is because it would prove inconvenient for them to do so. Both would rather cut ribbons, or turn up at senior centers. That is their good deed for the neighborhood. Dromm's office at least responded to emails from our board and residents. It to perhaps eight emails from the board and residents to Moya's office to get a stock, boiler plate response telling us to contact our NCOs, who have already told us that they can't do much.

We don't believe it is wise to disclose, on a public forum, which businesses might be involved with this for a variety of reasons. However, if you look at the photos on the first page of this thread and pay attention to what is happening on the street, it is pretty easy to figure it out what is going on and where. This again brings up the question of why the 115th is incapable of doing something about it.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: 80JHer on October 12, 2019, 07:27:33 AM
Just Tell them one of the drug dealers made a transphobic remark.  It will be an irresistible honey pot for every politician within a 6 mile radius.  You will get vigils and news press conference.

It’s the only way to get awareness
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: JK resident on October 12, 2019, 08:31:34 AM
The whole trend from the Governor on down is to decriminalize drug selling in Jackson Heights. Also prostitution is viewed as a victimless crime by many politicians. If you don’t like it there are other areas that don’t take that view. We have a new flight to the suburbs from people tired of poor schools and higher crime. This is what happened to NYC in the 1970’s The real NYC “Manhattan” is being over saturated with high end luxury condos for foreigners from around the world with money to invest in the bubble. They don’t care about the schools and are rarely in NYC. It is a tale of two cities.
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: dssjh on October 12, 2019, 09:52:48 AM
the "trend" is to legalize marijuana as they have in more than a dozen states. or decriminalize it, as they have in 15 more.

Governor Cuomo hasn't suggested we "decriminalize drug selling in Jackson Heights" (while, apparently, keeping it illegal in Woodside and Astoria).

but, yes, the tale of two cities thing is getting worse and worse -- but fleeing to the suburbs isn't as realistic as it was 40 years ago, since even the exurbs have gotten relatively unaffordable (unless you're willing to commute from Vineland, NJ).
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: Alfster on October 12, 2019, 10:14:54 AM
The whole trend from the Governor on down is to decriminalize drug selling in Jackson Heights. Also prostitution is viewed as a victimless crime by many politicians. If you don’t like it there are other areas that don’t take that view. We have a new flight to the suburbs from people tired of poor schools and higher crime. This is what happened to NYC in the 1970’s The real NYC “Manhattan” is being over saturated with high end luxury condos for foreigners from around the world with money to invest in the bubble. They don’t care about the schools and are rarely in NYC. It is a tale of two cities.

If drug sales are criminalized once again just where should wealthy Manhattanites go to buy their drugs?  What about their needs?  As far as schools go, that's where the private sector comes in.  The last thing that the wealthy residents wants is for their children to end up in crappy, overcrowded schools.  #factoflife
Title: Re: Drug Dealing from 86th-88th
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 12, 2019, 10:26:30 AM
Sunset Park, Brooklyn had similar drug problems recently.

But the police were onto it and shut them down.

A pity we can't reach out to the Sunset Park, Brooklyn police.