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Title: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: Simka on April 20, 2019, 08:57:53 PM
Why does so much garbage pile up in this one location? It's in front of a store that recently closed, which often tended to have a lot of trash on the sidewalk outside. But now that the store is closed, I think the trash had nothing to do with that store. Any clues about how so much piles up?

There tend to be a lot of paper coffee cups that look alike, but I don't know where they're from.

Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: Jeffsayyes on April 20, 2019, 09:03:15 PM
Today was especially bad
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: dssjh on April 20, 2019, 09:06:29 PM
i wonder if the residential components are divided up more than they should be. that side of that block is hard to navigate
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: Simka on April 20, 2019, 09:12:35 PM
i wonder if the residential components are divided up more than they should be. that side of that block is hard to navigate

What do you mean about residential components being divided up? It's true, there are a lot of businesses there, but that's true on 74th, too, and this doesn't happen on 74th.

My impression, from looking at the garbage, is that people are gathering there drinking coffee. And then no one takes responsibility for cleanup.
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: KGDHP on April 21, 2019, 08:46:34 AM
There is a similar-ish problem, but not nearly as gross as that, on 82nd street and I had great success reporting it to 311. The trick is that you cant just report once and hope for the best, you do it every single time you see a problem. I galvanized a small group on the block to report the trash. Together we probably reported it like 10x before I personally got a call from someone in the DOS to understand what my issues we we're having. Now, the area is clean as can be (most of the time).

I highly highly recommend the 311 App. It makes it easy to report (illegal dumping) and you can upload images too. Calling works too, but the app is easier. REPORT the hell of of the block! You'll see a difference.
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: abcdefghijk on April 21, 2019, 09:08:12 AM
I have noticed the sidewalks on that street, 73rd St, are very narrow considering the amount of commercial and pedestrian traffic who use that thoroughfare.

Probably doesn't help with the garbage issue. More trash containers should be installed. But where?
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: dssjh on April 21, 2019, 09:25:41 AM
I have noticed the sidewalks on that street, 73rd St, are very narrow considering the amount of commercial and pedestrian traffic who use that thoroughfare.

Probably doesn't help with the garbage issue. More trash containers should be installed. But where?

you're correct about the sidewalks and traffic flow...perhaps it has something to do with the recent upbuilding (not sure if there was rezoning or not) of the block. the low-rise two and three-story buildings have given way to larger, more heavily utilized structures (ugly ones at that, but that's another story).
not sure how this can be addressed growing forward. can't really widen the sidewalks, and if we put in more much-needed trash containers, we might impede traffic flow even more, with people dodging them and/or knocking them over. hoping people on the block can work it through.
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: Jeffsayyes on April 21, 2019, 05:48:44 PM
I still find it unbelievable that the DOS/DOT refuses to put a garbage can on that corner of the block.
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: Lilybell on April 22, 2019, 11:11:16 AM
That is a hangout spot where people congregate. I think 73rd has a lot more pedestrian traffic than 74th does, especially once you pass 37th Ave. (going north) I've lived on both streets and there is definitely a difference.
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: Di_11372 on April 22, 2019, 12:57:55 PM
There's a 2016 thread on this site about that awful building on 73rd, which gives info on complaints that were made over the yrs....
'Trash, rat, slum building 73rd'
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: Jeffsayyes on April 22, 2019, 01:06:28 PM
This morning I saw about 40 raw chickens on the sidewalk outside the halal butcher next to dosa delight. unbelievable.
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: sl on April 25, 2019, 06:37:13 PM
I have noticed the sidewalks on that street, 73rd St, are very narrow considering the amount of commercial and pedestrian traffic who use that thoroughfare.

Probably doesn't help with the garbage issue. More trash containers should be installed. But where?
There are many places that have little or no trash bins but they are not dirty like 73rd Street.
People living/ hanging out there just don’t care.
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: Jeffsayyes on April 26, 2019, 07:42:49 AM
I have noticed the sidewalks on that street, 73rd St, are very narrow considering the amount of commercial and pedestrian traffic who use that thoroughfare.

Probably doesn't help with the garbage issue. More trash containers should be installed. But where?
There are many places that have little or no trash bins but they are not dirty like 73rd Street.
People living/ hanging out there just don’t care.


Yes, and obviously there is a problem there so why wouldn't they put garbage cans there?
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: Lilybell on April 26, 2019, 09:53:04 AM
There used to be but they would get filled up with household trash - they were overflowing with full trash bags within an hour of getting emptied (not large trash bags; it would be a bunch of supermarket bags filled up with garbage and tied at the top.). It was pointless because we couldn't use them - they were always overflowing. They've put trash cans there a few times and always removed them within a couple of months.
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: abcdefghijk on April 26, 2019, 10:15:44 AM
There used to be but they would get filled up with household trash - they were overflowing with full trash bags within an hour of getting emptied (not large trash bags; it would be a bunch of supermarket bags filled up with garbage and tied at the top.). It was pointless because we couldn't use them - they were always overflowing. They've put trash cans there a few times and always removed them within a couple of months.

But why does this happen? What is the truth behind the situation that causes this? The reason. Obviously, there are trash cans all over NYC and they don't completely fill up with household garbage within an hour of being emptied.... What is going on? Really.
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: dssjh on April 26, 2019, 11:01:44 AM
the main problem is landlords subdividing living spaces. when my ex and i were house hunting back in the '90s, we concentrated on finding a two-family to help with mortgage costs. we saw a few places -- here and in Astoria -- where the rented "apartment" as well as basement spaces were carved up into warrens of rooms. a two-bedroom apartment became six or seven rooms divided by flimsy walls, with one kitchen and bathroom to serve renters. that means multiple trash streams from each unit, and a strain on our infrastructure.
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: Lilybell on April 26, 2019, 01:33:45 PM
I think much of the problem is the nasty housing complex (the one with the sign for the psychic). I've personally witnessed someone from there dump a garbage bag into the trash can. It also annoys me that the psychic has two large metal advertisement signboards chained to poles on the corner by the Duane Reade. If I had a bolt-cutter I would remove them myself.
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: abcdefghijk on April 27, 2019, 08:14:57 AM
Is the situation described where housing is subdivided into small rooms legal?

Is this simply a case of an illegal housing situation where the law is not being enforced?

If this were to happen, for example in Manhattan, would the law be enforced? Or is this law never enforced?

How come if this is general knowledge on this forum the situation is not looked into by authorities?

The irony, of course, is that Jackson Heights was first developed in the 1920's as an escape from the crowded tenements with similar housing situations described above in Manhattan. And now Jackson Heights has become the very thing it tried to escape from. Plus ca change...

Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: dssjh on April 27, 2019, 09:00:16 AM
it's completely illegal, and enforcement, for better or worse, is up to individual inspectors. some will enforce, some will suggest that "something" can be done to encourage them to look the other way. some handle things by the book (issuing an order to be carried out by a court), some put on padlocks that punish the renters (who lose their few possessions on the spot).

as you said, a lot of old Manhattan was actually built that way. the Lower East Side and the (long, long razed) west side equivalent had hundreds of buildings where renters lived with bathtubs in the kitchen (i had one in an early place). some lived in tenements that did not have in-apartment toilets at all, but had one toilet per floor, serving four apartments -- a friend of mine lived in one of those, on East 7th, just off First Ave, back in the mid-'80s. those were legal.

it's not unique to Jackson Heights, Astoria, Woodside, but we have the housing stock that lets it happen -- small buildings with large apartments. the houses have 5/6 room units with larger rooms that can be divided (as opposed to small studios with nowhere to put shoddy walls).
Title: Re: 73rd Street east side, mid-block
Post by: Simka on May 06, 2019, 09:49:48 PM
The area has been cleaned up since I posted, fortunately. If it gets bad again I'll definitely call 311 to report it.