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Title: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: buzz on December 18, 2018, 10:58:00 AM
It takes two to tango.

So said Trump! So how is it every god d@mn republican pick of Don the Chump's is indicted in criminal behavior?  Oh we aint dancing anymore !!!

[Moderator's Note: Okay, by popular demand, with this off-topic post, we hereby kick off a new experimental thread in miscellaneous political commentary.  Feel free to express your political gripes here.   But the rules of the board still apply.  Keep a lid on hate speech and ad hominem attacks.  If things get out of hand, we're going to shut it down.]
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on December 18, 2018, 12:13:04 PM
I think there would be plenty of indictments to go around if we investigated them all.  Our whole political system is a criminal enterprise.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on December 18, 2018, 12:32:19 PM
I think there would be plenty of indictments to go around if we investigated them all.  Our whole political system is a criminal enterprise.

true. most don't *literally* steal money from kids with cancer for their own use, though.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on December 18, 2018, 01:43:45 PM
i hope she's at the leading edge of the formation that will drive the fascists into the dirt.

you don't negotiate with fascists. you destroy them.


Awe your like Kevin Parker in a dress
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on December 18, 2018, 01:47:47 PM
i hope she's at the leading edge of the formation that will drive the fascists into the dirt.

you don't negotiate with fascists. you destroy them.


Awe your like Kevin Parker in a dress
and you're like Rush Limbaugh in fishnets and a bra.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on December 18, 2018, 01:47:59 PM
I think there would be plenty of indictments to go around if we investigated them all.  Our whole political system is a criminal enterprise.

true. most don't *literally* steal money from kids with cancer for their own use, though.


But progressives steal from Sandy folks:
https://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/pamela-harris-fraud-sentencing-1.22401681


Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on December 18, 2018, 01:49:01 PM
i hope she's at the leading edge of the formation that will drive the fascists into the dirt.

you don't negotiate with fascists. you destroy them.


Awe your like Kevin Parker in a dress
and you're like Rush Limbaugh in fishnets and a bra.


Nah, I dont like drug addicts, it's a moral failing.  Look at that drunkard Ted Kennedy and his women killing.


Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on December 18, 2018, 01:49:41 PM
in other words, you hate kids with cancer. not surprising, given your overall tone out here.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on December 18, 2018, 01:50:42 PM
i hope she's at the leading edge of the formation that will drive the fascists into the dirt.

you don't negotiate with fascists. you destroy them.

look at that adderall snorter Don Trump and his tween raping.

and with that, i stop wrestling the pig.

Awe your like Kevin Parker in a dress
and you're like Rush Limbaugh in fishnets and a bra.


Nah, I dont like drug addicts, it's a moral failing.  Look at that drunkard Ted Kennedy and his women killing.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Lilybell on December 19, 2018, 05:15:08 PM
lol, this experiment is going to be a train wreck.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on December 19, 2018, 05:45:58 PM
lol, this experiment is going to be a train wreck.

just be thankful we can't post memes :)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: toddg on December 19, 2018, 06:09:42 PM
Actually, that might improve things a bit!

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/287/559/ff4.jpg)

Or maybe not.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on December 19, 2018, 06:39:36 PM
Actually, that might improve things a bit!

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/287/559/ff4.jpg)

Or maybe not.

i'll settle for a thumbs up or down. thumbs up. ;)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 08, 2019, 01:17:37 PM
if you want to Make America Great Again, that means going back to the Republican tax rates of the 1950s, 70-75 percent at the top.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on January 08, 2019, 01:43:39 PM
"Make America Great Again" is a simplistic slogan that sounds good but doesn't really clarify anything.

Like

"Give peace a chance"

"All you need is love"

"Nothing could be finer than to be in Carolina in the Morning"

These sorts of slogans are really lyrics that belong in songs.

"Make America Great Again" could be a lyric in a perfectly nice, sentimental and nostalgic nationalistic anthem.

It is not an axiom or vision by which a country can in truth really be governed.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on January 08, 2019, 02:36:18 PM
I grew up in the 50s. I was poor. I lived a block from the stock yards. I remember bums laying drunk in the streets. The high tax rates were in support of the US economy and jobs, to reconstruct from wartime to peacetime. My family home was taken by eminent domain to build a highway. Any benefits to poor people were gained indirectly.

America WAS great because we were proud to be Americans. We conceived, implemented, fought for and won the American way: freedom, independence, opportunity. It's not a joke. Americans asked for and expected nothing. It's obvious that this spoiled generation, that thinks poverty is not being able to afford an iphone, will not learn from history or appreciate what previous generations gave us.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on January 08, 2019, 04:02:47 PM
De Blasio just announced a Heath Care deal for all New Yorkers.

New York is GREAT.

Also Jeanette, have you spoken to your grandchildren?

After having a proper conversation with young folk, you will be surprised that your views about "Kids, I don't know what's the matter with kids today!" (another song lyric from your era!) are simply incorrect.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 15, 2019, 10:14:17 AM
social security is Marxism -- once your withdrawals exceed your contributions, that is.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on January 15, 2019, 10:25:51 AM
I think social security is based on your highest earnings. It is not what you pay in, you get back. If you make six figures for five years but nothing for the rest of your life, you will get the maximum in payments. I think.

At any rate, it's a ponzi scheme that requires new payees coming into the system. One of the concerns about lowered wages is everyone pays into a system that results in low payouts. It's unsustainable. It will go broke. Then, I don't know, I don't think we have a replacement.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on January 15, 2019, 10:35:22 AM
I think social security is based on your highest earnings. It is not what you pay in, you get back. If you make six figures for five years but nothing for the rest of your life, you will get the maximum in payments. I think.

At any rate, it's a ponzi scheme that requires new payees coming into the system. One of the concerns about lowered wages is everyone pays into a system that results in low payouts. It's unsustainable. It will go broke. Then, I don't know, I don't think we have a replacement.

Put old people in a workhouse run by Amazon!!!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 15, 2019, 10:46:18 AM
I think social security is based on your highest earnings. It is not what you pay in, you get back. If you make six figures for five years but nothing for the rest of your life, you will get the maximum in payments. I think.

At any rate, it's a ponzi scheme that requires new payees coming into the system. One of the concerns about lowered wages is everyone pays into a system that results in low payouts. It's unsustainable. It will go broke. Then, I don't know, I don't think we have a replacement.

i know how it works, i'm just saying it's socialism. much like most of modern society, from police protection to EMS to subsidized water and sewer and free wi-fi in the subway.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on January 15, 2019, 12:38:32 PM
The Evils of "Socialism"
Author Unknown

This morning I was awakened by my alarm clock, powered by socialist electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the socialist clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the socialist radio to one of the FCC regulated channels to hear what the socialist National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using socialist satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of socialist US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the socialist drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time, as kept accurate by the socialist National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my socialist National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the socialist roads build by the socialist local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the socialist Environmental Protection Agency, using socialist legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the socialist US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the socialist public school.

If I get lost, I can use my socialist GPS navigation technology developed by the United States Department of Defense and made available to the public in 1996 by President Bill Clinton who issued a policy directive declaring socialist GPS to be a dual-use military/civilian system to be managed as a national socialist asset.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the socialist workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the socialist USDA, I drive my socialist NHTSA car back home on the socialist DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the socialist state and local building codes and socialist fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the socialist local police department.

I then get on my computer and use the socialist Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and browse the socialist World Wide Web using my graphical web browser, both made possible by Al Gore's socialist High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991.

I then post on freerepublic.com and Fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine and energy - and especially for poor people looking for handouts! - is BAD because the government can't do anything right, and the poors don't deserve my hard earned cash that I got for myself without any socialist help.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 16, 2019, 01:04:26 PM
Yep, never works. That explains why fdr and JFK were so hated for their programs
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on January 16, 2019, 02:31:58 PM
Both millionaires who were born into wealthy families. Never forget that most of the JFK’s fortune was from his dad running rum from Canada and Cuba. He never paid taxes on that income because it was all illegal at the time. Most of the FDR wealth came prior to there being an income tax.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on January 16, 2019, 04:24:00 PM
FDR was a genius!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 16, 2019, 04:29:18 PM
FDR was a genius!

he was -- but imagine the idea of "social security." Marxist pabulum. work until you die. in fact, child labor, too. work before you're born!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on January 16, 2019, 05:48:40 PM
Hate to break up the whole “I love Social Security “ love fest but given the decline in population after the baby boomers there will not be enough workers to cover the retirement costs of the elderly. It is only a matter of time before they will need to cut benefits or  American workers will emigrate to seek a better life without legacy costs. It truly is a Ponzi scheme. Most twenty to forty year olds will never see a dime of social security they pay into.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Simka on January 19, 2019, 01:40:20 AM
Hate to break up the whole “I love Social Security “ love fest but given the decline in population after the baby boomers there will not be enough workers to cover the retirement costs of the elderly. It is only a matter of time before they will need to cut benefits or  American workers will emigrate to seek a better life without legacy costs. It truly is a Ponzi scheme. Most twenty to forty year olds will never see a dime of social security they pay into.

And yet there are people who hate the idea of immigrants coming into the U.S., even though, if we allow them to do it legally, they can work and contribute to Social Security.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on January 19, 2019, 09:24:54 AM
I don’t think people hate the idea of immigrants coming in. It’s the idea of the illegal immigrants coming in
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on January 19, 2019, 10:27:56 AM
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given the decline in population after the baby boomers

Gen X is small compared to the Boomers. However you're ignoring another generation that came after the Boomers. https://www.careerplanner.com/Images/Annual%20Births%20Chart-550w.jpg (https://www.careerplanner.com/Images/Annual%20Births%20Chart-550w.jpg)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 19, 2019, 11:32:18 AM
I don’t think people hate the idea of immigrants coming in. It’s the idea of the illegal immigrants coming in

and most of those people come from families that got here in the 19th century via at least one member who came here with no "papers," no jobs and, in some cases, no name. if they didn't have TB, they got in and worked their way down into the worst jobs in America. illegal Italian, Irish, Asian and Eastern European immigrants made America great.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jadasie on January 19, 2019, 04:19:04 PM
Even if they had papers, the doors were wide open then. Today's immigrants, especially adults from Central America, have a much, much harder time obtaining citizenship than did people a century ago.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on January 20, 2019, 08:48:04 AM
Wide open except for Chinese immigrants. (Immigration Act of 1882). And then, just like now, racism fueled that exclusion.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on January 20, 2019, 09:10:54 AM
Wide open except for Chinese immigrants. (Immigration Act of 1882). And then, just like now, racism fueled that exclusion.

We need to care for our own that are in poverty before we add to those numbers. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on January 20, 2019, 09:24:29 AM

We need to care for our own that are in poverty before we add to those numbers.

Once upon a time, we could walk and chew gum at the same time. It appears we have lost the ability and will to do either.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on January 20, 2019, 10:12:57 AM
We are the most generous country when it come to accepting a high number of legal immigrants into our country and the most compassionate when it comes to giving aid.  If your own house is not in order, don't invite company.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on January 20, 2019, 10:16:58 AM
We are the most generous country when it come to accepting a high number of legal immigrants into our country and the most compassionate when it comes to giving aid.  If your own house is not in order, don't invite company.

https://qz.com/1193421/2018-sotu-fact-checking-how-much-development-aid-does-the-us-give/

In absolute numbers, compared to say, the UK - a country 1/6 the size of the USA, sure.
Per capita or per gdp? Misers.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on January 21, 2019, 09:11:51 PM
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We need to care for our own that are in poverty before we add to those numbers.

That's right, racism. Funny how when white people migrate here, they contributed to the growth of this country to become a world power. But when the Chinese were doing it, they were making it difficult to provide for those in poverty.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on January 22, 2019, 04:03:38 PM
Funny how when one can't muster up a logical argument, the first thing resorted to is playing the race card.  You are also assuming I am white.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 22, 2019, 04:32:15 PM
election results over the past few years have shown us that only a tiny fraction of this community adheres to the Trumpian worldview. posts on this site have shown that they're largely much older and, in some cases, pondering leaving. things are looking brighter, locally, at least.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on January 22, 2019, 05:36:14 PM
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Funny how when one can't muster up a logical argument, the first thing resorted to is playing the race card.  You are also assuming I am white.

It's really not anyone else's fault if you're not able to follow the logic. And no, I haven't assumed you're white.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on January 22, 2019, 05:40:14 PM
There is no logic to follow. You are simply wrong. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on January 23, 2019, 12:02:57 PM
Who cares now that we know the world will soon end in twelve years!

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ocasio-cortez-the-world-is-going-to-end-in-12-years-if-we-dont-address-climate-change/

This AOC is certainly amusing.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: PizzaRat on January 23, 2019, 01:46:16 PM
I grew up in the 50s. I was poor. I lived a block from the stock yards. I remember bums laying drunk in the streets. The high tax rates were in support of the US economy and jobs, to reconstruct from wartime to peacetime. My family home was taken by eminent domain to build a highway. Any benefits to poor people were gained indirectly.

America WAS great because we were proud to be Americans. We conceived, implemented, fought for and won the American way: freedom, independence, opportunity. It's not a joke. Americans asked for and expected nothing. It's obvious that this spoiled generation, that thinks poverty is not being able to afford an iphone, will not learn from history or appreciate what previous generations gave us.

I'm a part of "this spoiled generation" you speak of and think your comments are very disrespectful. Just as there were spoiled and entitled people while you were growing up (even if you weren't one of them), there are today. That doesn't mean an entire generation is useless simply because we grew up with more advanced technology and different ways of communicating (Internet, social media, etc.).

I grew up broke in the 90s and was poor as a young, independent adult. I put myself through college working full-time and worked my way up from restaurant jobs to the office job and decent salary (and three side jobs) I have now. Many of my friends who also went to CUNY schools and worked their way through college and early adulthood would really resent you saying that "this generation" thinks poverty is not having an iPhone... we paid our dues just like you did when "America was great" apparently. I'm sure you're a real hit with young people.  ::)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 23, 2019, 03:31:01 PM
Who cares now that we know the world will soon end in twelve years!

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ocasio-cortez-the-world-is-going-to-end-in-12-years-if-we-dont-address-climate-change/

This AOC is certainly amusing.

you mean the study put out by SCIENTISTS via the always amusing United Nations?

http://time.com/5418134/ipcc-climate-change-report-2030-crisis/

 I used to think Trumpster Divers were useful idiots. but i no longer see uses for them.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on January 23, 2019, 05:49:51 PM
Go to India and China and tell them to stop burning coal and oil. They are causing most of the CO2 and air pollution both now and in the next 30+ years. The world may indeed see increasing sea levels (whatever the cause) but that does not mean the world will end. I guess we will have to build a sea wall between Staten Island and Brooklyn.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 23, 2019, 08:27:45 PM
using your logic, we should all go out and take a dump on diversity plaza because a homeless man will do that from time to time. personal responsibility, sir or madam. live it.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on January 25, 2019, 10:01:38 AM
"Carbon" is the reefer madness of the 21st century.  Eventually you'll be taxed for breathing.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on January 25, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
"Carbon" is the reefer madness of the 21st century.  Eventually you'll be taxed for breathing.

Scene: Europe/USA/Most everywhere 2100

"Daddy? Why are we refugees? Why do crops keep failing? Why can't we feed ourselves as a society? Why is there war and devastation everywhere?  Why are there floods and fires everywhere? Why is the natural world so degraded? Why don't things get better?  Why don't we have a society - they used to have one? Who did this to us?"

"well, look at the kind of statement that people like Chingwa promoted in the early 21st century. for the lolz they willfully ignored the oncoming the greatest disaster ever to befall mankind - one that impoverished and hurt billions of people, so that they could have a few more years of selfish luxury. they did this to you. we will always curse their names - hell, their own grandkids curse their names as they die young, suffering because of their actions!"
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on January 25, 2019, 11:32:28 AM
This is just a power grab by a bunch of green zealots. I plan to keep warm as long as I live in NYC. This will involve burning gas or oil for heat. There is no other way to keep warm. Also Con Ed will burn fossil fuels to produce electricity. The solar and wind option is not realistic. If you want to influence global pollution, you have to control the population of China and India because together they have billions of people and burn tons of coal. This is like the new tax scheme that we will now tax total wealth and not income. We will never be Denmark as others want us to become.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on January 25, 2019, 11:42:27 AM
If,as "a green zealot", I wanted a power grab (hah!), I would align with the billionaires, political powers and corporations that, for short term gain, are ruining the world for future generations - who, if you didn't notice have much more money and power than any green initiatives....and go around yukking it up with their either dumb or willing enablers, like you, JK Resident.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on January 25, 2019, 02:24:27 PM
You need to removed from this forum for engaging in personal attacks.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 25, 2019, 03:05:01 PM
why is it always the conservatives asking for safe spaces and nanny state protection?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 07, 2019, 02:10:35 PM
the real answer is more coal. coal powered IPhones built in right to work states should be the core of the New Black Lung Deal.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on February 07, 2019, 02:14:03 PM
the real answer is more coal. coal powered IPhones built in right to work states should be the core of the New Black Lung Deal.

Nuanced response.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 07, 2019, 02:35:34 PM
as someone who's studied and written about American history, I'll remind you that the original New Deal had Republicans talking about how it would undoubtedly destroy America. the country would be in ruins if the radical FDR had his way.

i look forward to the continued impotent whining of the right. and their relegation to the margins.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on February 07, 2019, 03:18:57 PM
as someone who's studied and written about American history, I'll remind you that the original New Deal had Republicans talking about how it would undoubtedly destroy America. the country would be in ruins if the radical FDR had his way.

i look forward to the continued impotent whining of the right. and their relegation to the margins.

It's wholly false narrative that anyone who dares disagree with the far left is therefore a far right Republican, I know the local DNC thinks being anything close to a centrist is a liability.  It belittles any real fact base argument you bring forth.

You keep your hope, I’ll keep my hard earned change.

Always remember, elections have consequences DSS…
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on February 07, 2019, 03:23:43 PM
Well it seems the Republicans were right that the social security Ponzi scheme would end. The population demographics as mentioned above will take care of that. Unless you think today’s twentysomethings will pay 70% of their middle class paycheck to pay for all the elderly and disabled. The only out of this mess would involve immigration of highly educated people who earn high incomes.

As for this “green deal” and Jackson Heights. Most of JH is made up of big buildings that burn gas or oil for heat and hot water. Electric heat would be prohibitively expensive and would burden the electrical grid. The power plants burn oil or gas depending on what is cheaper. Now they burn gas because of the low price of natural gas. If the rest of the nation prohibited fracking like NYS we would be burning oil. Most buildings in JH have boilers that can burn both depending on price. The whole solar and wind option is perfectly acceptable if you live in Southern California. So this whole “green new deal” is pie in the sky nonsense that will never actually solve our energy needs.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 07, 2019, 05:23:35 PM
fine. kill the old and poor. you'll no doubt sleep well.

once again, you sicken all decent people among us.

and feel free to mewl about being victimized.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: StevenGrey on February 07, 2019, 08:01:41 PM
Well it seems the Republicans were right that the social security Ponzi scheme would end. The population demographics as mentioned above will take care of that. Unless you think today’s twentysomethings will pay 70% of their middle class paycheck to pay for all the elderly and disabled. The only out of this mess would involve immigration of highly educated people who earn high incomes.

BULLSHIT. Social Security would continued to be funded WELL into the foreseeable future if:
1. Incomes would rise along with the rate of inflation, instead of being stagnant for 99% of wage-earners
2. The salary cap would be eliminated.

End of story. I'm not a socialist but I think people who work 40-50 years deserve to be secure in their senior years and have healthcare.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on February 07, 2019, 09:22:33 PM
Incomes haven’t been increasing if you factor inflation. Why would one expect that will happen given the increase in the cost of living? Even if you increase the salary cap there are too few people at those higher income levels to pay current amounts. This will require a dramatic decrease in benefits.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 07, 2019, 10:11:50 PM
if you put the social security/medicare tax on every income of 10 million or more, we'd be in much better shape. i know those people and their apologists like handouts, but it's about time we cut them off.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on February 08, 2019, 09:41:28 AM
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The population demographics as mentioned above will take care of that.

what population demographics? The one where the Millennial generation is bigger than the Baby Boomers?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on February 08, 2019, 06:25:22 PM
These socialists don't want a more perfect Union.  They want a Union in their image.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 08, 2019, 06:26:31 PM
in other words, they're just like you.

only they're correct.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on February 08, 2019, 10:12:21 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 14, 2019, 09:07:15 AM
Conspiracy theories. The last resort of those who lost.

Anyway, BETO O'ROURKE. Finally someone whose message encompasses all Americans. And not only Identity Politics agendas.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 14, 2019, 03:03:05 PM
O'Rourke is an excellent candidate.

the astroturf campaign being waged by undercover GOP operatives says he has white male privilege, and should be disqualified. since there are no white males in the GOP.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on March 14, 2019, 03:39:13 PM
O'Rourke is an excellent candidate.

the astroturf campaign being waged by undercover GOP operatives says he has white male privilege, and should be disqualified. since there are no white males in the GOP.


Per our Tobacco lawyer of a Senator, I thought "the future is female"

I kid, I'm sure he's a fine candidate


"Robert Francis O'Rourke was born on September 26, 1972, at Hotel Dieu Hospital in El Paso, Texas, to Pat Francis O'Rourke and his second wife Melissa Martha O'Rourke (née Williams).[2][3][4][5] He has Irish and Welsh[6] ancestry."


Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 14, 2019, 03:45:53 PM
ah, tobacco.

i remember when the GOP said the smoking ban would drive all bars out of NYC within a year.  misty water color memories.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on March 14, 2019, 04:08:13 PM
ah, tobacco.

i remember when the GOP said the smoking ban would drive all bars out of NYC within a year.  misty water color memories.

I loath the GOP as a bunch of hypocrites, if your cool with the party you support doing the same all the best to you and you and yours.

Just get the Cheese ready for your 2020 whine. LOL
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on March 14, 2019, 08:31:07 PM
Beto has to be the biggest joke of a presidential candidate there is. He hasn’t done anything in life except get elected to congress.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 15, 2019, 09:19:12 AM
Beto has to be the biggest joke of a presidential candidate there is. He hasn’t done anything in life except get elected to congress.

But he may still inherit a real estate empire. We don't know his father's financial situation.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 15, 2019, 10:51:13 AM
O'Rourke is an excellent candidate.

the astroturf campaign being waged by undercover GOP operatives says he has white male privilege, and should be disqualified. since there are no white males in the GOP.

Identity Politics. The mistake that will cause the Democrat Party to shoot itself in the foot.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 15, 2019, 11:17:26 AM
i understand what you're saying and i am NOT attacking your point of view, but....

didn't the current "president" take office based ENTIRELY on identity politics? the aggrieved caucasian (mostly male) identity?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 15, 2019, 12:12:59 PM
i understand what you're saying and i am NOT attacking your point of view, but....

didn't the current "president" take office based ENTIRELY on identity politics? the aggrieved caucasian (mostly male) identity?

Again, DSSJH, you are free to your opinion.

But two wrongs never do make a right.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on March 15, 2019, 01:45:41 PM
O'Rourke is an excellent candidate.

the astroturf campaign being waged by undercover GOP operatives says he has white male privilege, and should be disqualified. since there are no white males in the GOP.

Identity Politics. The mistake that will cause the Democrat Party to shoot itself in the foot.

That's pejorative being that they already shot Steve Scalise...


If Beto had a "R" after his name instead of a "D", you’d hear he was a boarding school attending, judges son, who dodged DUI charges and used eminent domain to gentrify latino neighborhoods and married into a rich family who made their money destroying Mother Earth.



Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 15, 2019, 02:28:06 PM
Stop being a clown, Paulie you're embarrassing yourself and your whole family . And don't whine. Grown adults don't whine
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on March 15, 2019, 02:29:57 PM
Stop being a clown, Paulie you're embarrassing yourself and your whole family . And don't whine. Grown adults don't whine

dont speak of my family or we can take this in a whole new direction chica
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 15, 2019, 02:52:39 PM
fine, but your boy -- MAGA hat, anti-immigrant raving and all -- just killed 49 innocent people in a house of worship.

your other boy -- MAGA hat, anti-immigrant raving -- killed a dozen people in a house of worship in Pittsburgh.

to borrow from the conservative agenda, how do we know Scalise was even shot? he could be a crisis actor.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on March 15, 2019, 06:12:22 PM
Partisanship is a disease.  ::)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 15, 2019, 06:42:30 PM
Partisanship is a disease.  ::)


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha

ha.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on March 15, 2019, 08:18:38 PM
Clearly some are more diseased than others.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 15, 2019, 10:05:40 PM
you can say that again!  ::)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on March 16, 2019, 10:14:49 AM
Clearly some are more diseased than others.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on March 25, 2019, 09:20:58 AM
Let’s all thank Mueller for his unbiased report on our President. Now, Mr. Trump can get back to doing what he has been doing all along since he’s been elected, and what he has promised to do. Bring back jobs? Yes. Lower unemployment? Yes. Building a strong economy after 8years of losses for our economy?? Yes Refusing to pay Iran billions of dollars for who knows what? Yes Deal with China,Syria,Iran,North Korea? Yes. Building the wall? Yes. Stop funding for Planned Parenthood and their abortions from my taxes??? Doubles yes. Just a few examples of  why I am so proud and excited for another win in 2020. Thank you, Mr President.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on March 25, 2019, 11:08:32 AM
No one outside of a few DC insiders has seen the report.

What we've seen is a summary by an AG appointed by .....Trump. Obviously "unbiased".

--

As for the rest of your delusional fox-news-talking-point tirade, how does it feel to live in a neighborhood, where, if you said these things out loud, you would be shunned (at best!) by 80% of your neighbors as an immoral, fascist-supporting fantasist? Because when you say things like the above.... that's what you are.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 11:34:01 AM
I believe it is time to accept that we, the people of the USA, elected Mr Trump.

Not outside foreign influences, which is the excuse every third world country uses. Blaming foreign forces is the historical refuge of every nation which cannot take responsibility for its own choices.

But we are a democracy.  And so the person, we, the people of the USA voted in can be the person we vote out.

Next year will be interesting. Let's see what we, the people of the USA, do.

Also if 80% of our neighborhood is Democrat, that leaves 20% who aren't. Over 20,000 people who are our neighbors.  That's actually a sizable number.  It's probably time to accept that each and every one of our neighbors has a right to their political leanings without being "hated". We, after all, are a democracy. No? 







Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 02:29:07 PM
i believe we are a democracy.

the conservatives will tell you we are, in fact, not a democracy. we are a "constitutional republic."

these are the people who believe we need to round people up like animals and herd them into cages, criminal or not.

i don't believe in that. i know you don't either.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 02:52:47 PM
i believe we are a democracy.

the conservatives will tell you we are, in fact, not a democracy. we are a "constitutional republic."

these are the people who believe we need to round people up like animals and herd them into cages, criminal or not.

i don't believe in that. i know you don't either.

DSSJH, I believe in discussion and respect and communication. Even for those whose ideas I don't agree with. That's what I believe in. Dismissing the entire folk who voted Republican as"conservatives" who believe in evil actions, isn't, in my opinion, smart. And appears to me to be black and white and polarizing thinking.

Life, in my experience, ( though less than yours I admit,)  is far more nuanced and shades of grey. And complicated, not simplistic. Not Good and Bad. Not White hats/Black hats. IMO, that's not an educated way to think. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 03:04:39 PM
i actually don't believe that Republicans in our area are all "conservatives," but i also believe that the national Republican party has sought to remove shades of gray from its ranks. the incessant drumbeat about RINOs and needing to fall into line behind the president, no matter what, has pushed the party far, FAR to the right (overall). i do believe in demonizing those who'd legislate me -- as an LGBT person -- out of existence. i do believe in demonizing racism and xenophobia. i'll shout that from the rooftops. i demonize demons -- but not everyone who's to my right politically.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 03:25:15 PM
DSSJH, you say "I demonize the demons".  This seems to be the constant and glaringly obvious flaw in your logic and thinking.

Again, two wrongs don't make a right. Ever.

To demonize the demons is easy.  To teach/educate others... now that's hard.  And more the kind of person I admire and would support.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 03:57:01 PM
again, i agree with you that it's easier to demonize a bigot trying to beat you bloody or comatose with a baseball bat than it is to educate him. but sometimes easy is better. and safer. if you think i'm engaging in hyperbole, just go to the corner of 37th outside PS 69 and look up.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 04:05:24 PM
again, i agree with you that it's easier to demonize a bigot trying to beat you bloody or comatose with a baseball bat than it is to educate him. but sometimes easy is better. and safer. if you think i'm engaging in hyperbole, just go to the corner of 37th outside PS 69 and look up.

We are no longer in 1990. 1990 was nearly 30 years ago. In 1990 probably all of New York was kinda dangerous. I am guessing that was the time Jackson Heights was known as the cocaine capital of New York. 

Nowadays, that corner is where the Gay Pride parade passes by.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on March 25, 2019, 04:15:41 PM
Come dssjh, #walkaway. Join us
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 05:21:10 PM
Come dssjh, #walkaway. Join us

nah, i can't wash that much fecal matter from my shoes, little man.

and abc, are you ACTUALLY saying that there's no gay bashing in nyc?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 05:27:08 PM
https://avp.org/avp-learns-of-back-to-back-anti-lgtbq-incidents-in-queens/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/02/nyregion/a-day-out-leaves-two-transgender-women-living-in-fear.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/anti-gay-subway-attack-leaves-nyc-woman-broken-spine-n946131

https://qns.com/story/2018/06/03/bronx-man-convicted-in-murder-of-woodside-resident-da/



again, i agree with you that it's easier to demonize a bigot trying to beat you bloody or comatose with a baseball bat than it is to educate him. but sometimes easy is better. and safer. if you think i'm engaging in hyperbole, just go to the corner of 37th outside PS 69 and look up.

We are no longer in 1990. 1990 was nearly 30 years ago. In 1990 probably all of New York was kinda dangerous. I am guessing that was the time Jackson Heights was known as the cocaine capital of New York. 

Nowadays, that corner is where the Gay Pride parade passes by.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 06:00:54 PM
There is everything bashing in NYC. That is no reason for Gays or anyone to live in fear.

Every young Gay I know is out and proud and no longer angry and fearful... but rather walks with their head held high.
(With the men often in high heels.)

Fear is not a positive lifestyle choice. Anger is not a positive lifestyle choice.

Pride and courage and strength and understanding is the way to go. For all New Yorkers!



Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 06:03:49 PM
you're straight. and white. and male.

walk proud. and free of fear. i am sure you can overcome those challenges.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 06:05:30 PM
We are New Yorkers!

And should act like New Yorkers!

(Also stop guessing. You are not getting it right.)

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 06:09:23 PM
we should indeed act like New Yorkers.

and New Yorkers don't "educate" Nazis and bigots.

New Yorkers have always fought against them, by any means necessary. they have no place in this city or on this earth.

if that's intolerant, color me intolerant. proudly intolerant. waving my Nazi hating pride flag high.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 06:11:43 PM
we should indeed act like New Yorkers.

and New Yorkers don't "educate" Nazis and bigots.

New Yorkers have always fought against them, by any means necessary. they have no place in this city or on this earth.

if that's intolerant, color me intolerant. proudly intolerant. waving my Nazi hating pride flag high.

Also wrong about New Yorkers.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/americans-hold-nazi-rally-in-madison-square-garden


Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 06:21:43 PM
i know all about that. i believe i've used the same link on this site. unfortunately, too many of those attendees survived.

i've noticed *your* constant flaw. many, many of your posts about the '70s, '80s and '90s start with "i've heard" or "i am guessing" -- when you're talking to someone who was actually there and experiencing. that's not a good way to debate.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 06:26:12 PM
i know all about that. i believe i've used the same link on this site. unfortunately, too many of those attendees survived.

i've noticed *your* constant flaw. many, many of your posts about the '70s, '80s and '90s start with "i've heard" or "i am guessing" -- when you're talking to someone who was actually there and experiencing. that's not a good way to debate.

It's the future that counts. That's the exciting thing. For me.  What's ahead.

Well we didn't kill each other in this interchange. :)  Progress!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on March 25, 2019, 06:44:32 PM
i know all about that. i believe i've used the same link on this site. unfortunately, too many of those attendees survived.

i've noticed *your* constant flaw. many, many of your posts about the '70s, '80s and '90s start with "i've heard" or "i am guessing" -- when you're talking to someone who was actually there and experiencing. that's not a good way to debate.

It's the future that counts.

dssjh: don't feed the Markov-chain non-sequitur text generator. it's pointless.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 11:56:50 PM
i know all about that. i believe i've used the same link on this site. unfortunately, too many of those attendees survived.

i've noticed *your* constant flaw. many, many of your posts about the '70s, '80s and '90s start with "i've heard" or "i am guessing" -- when you're talking to someone who was actually there and experiencing. that's not a good way to debate.

It's the future that counts.

dssjh: don't feed the Markov-chain non-sequitur text generator. it's pointless.

Interesting. Threatened lalochezia? That DSSJH and I are exchanging ideas relatively rationally?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Lilybell on March 26, 2019, 11:07:09 AM
You all sound like a bunch of drama-loving middle-schoolers.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 26, 2019, 11:42:01 AM
You all sound like a bunch of drama-loving middle-schoolers.

Interesting. And yet you were engaged enough to read the exchange and respond. Another drama-loving middle-schooler perhaps? Only one who pretends they are better than others.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Lilybell on March 27, 2019, 08:59:12 AM
It's just a shame that a topic that could have potential is nothing but spiteful bickering. It's always the same people and it's tiresome. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 27, 2019, 09:23:18 AM
It's just a shame that a topic that could have potential is nothing but spiteful bickering. It's always the same people and it's tiresome.

Lilybell, I have discovered that it is possible to exchange ideas on this forum. And as you can see, have been doing so. The way to do it is by NOT INSULTING others. Even if insults are flung. Sticks and Stones etc. So, perhaps you might also refrain from "middle school drama loving" insults. Then you might also be free to exchange your ideas. 

Education is everything. And I now realize that learning how to exchange ideas on a forum is part of a person's education.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on March 27, 2019, 02:22:24 PM
I don't think of JHLife as a debate forum. It's a place to get to know our neighborhood and discuss relevant issues with our neighbors.

We have three people who always must have the last word. That is why they are tiresome. More people should participate, but who wants to when opinions deteriorate into arguments. I prefer to think of ourselves as contributors to discussions, rather than to individually win against or beat down others.

I could go on about self-righteousness, disparaging "wit" and self-aggrandizement, but I know nothing I write will sway anyone b/c the behaviors that some display here are reflections of deeper issues. It's why people keep their doors shut.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 27, 2019, 02:44:09 PM
I don't think of JHLife as a debate forum. It's a place to get to know our neighborhood and discuss relevant issues with our neighbors.

We have three people who always must have the last word. That is why they are tiresome. More people should participate, but who wants to when opinions deteriorate into arguments. I prefer to think of ourselves as contributors to discussions, rather than to individually win against or beat down others.

I could go on about self-righteousness, disparaging "wit" and self-aggrandizement, but I know nothing I write will sway anyone b/c the behaviors that some display here are reflections of deeper issues. It's why people keep their doors shut.

I think what you have written is very useful in trying to understand the dysfunction of this forum. Thank you.

However, I do believe we can learn how to be on this forum in a better way.  So I don't agree that what you write won't sway folks.Don't surprised if it does.  Like me, for instance!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JHResident on March 28, 2019, 12:46:08 AM
Quote

Moderator's  ???: Okay, by popular demand, with this off-topic post, we hereby kick off a new experimental thread in miscellaneous political commentary.  Feel free to express your political gripes here.   But the rules of the board still apply.  Keep a lid on hate speech and ad hominem attacks.  If things get out of hand, we're going to shut it down.]
Here's a suggestion. Why not just delete any posts with hate speech or ad hominem attacks? Might help the offenders to learn how to post respectfully.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 28, 2019, 08:56:56 AM
Quote

Moderator's  ???: Okay, by popular demand, with this off-topic post, we hereby kick off a new experimental thread in miscellaneous political commentary.  Feel free to express your political gripes here.   But the rules of the board still apply.  Keep a lid on hate speech and ad hominem attacks.  If things get out of hand, we're going to shut it down.]
Here's a suggestion. Why not just delete any posts with hate speech or ad hominem attacks? Might help the offenders to learn how to post respectfully.

I think this is a good idea. And will improve the culture of this forum. And perhaps allow a greater variety of posters to feel safe to post.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on March 28, 2019, 09:25:36 AM
 Let’s go back to my original commentary of the day. I want to thank Mueller for the job that he did over the past two years and at a cost of $30 million to say that there was no collusion. So let’s talk about who you all want to run the country in 2020, since the President won’t be in jail or impeached for “treason”.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 28, 2019, 09:31:48 AM
my answer to your main question is "any democrat aside from Joe Manchin or Tulsi Gabbard."

but we still don't know what the Mueller report says. and, if the GOP has its way, we never will. because, apparently, Mitch McConnell doesn't want us to see the total innocence of the current administration.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on March 28, 2019, 01:23:37 PM
People seem to think the recent flooding in the plains states was caused by climate change. So I thought I'd share this well documented point of view on past floods.

https://realclimatescience.com/2019/03/new-video-the-great-flood-myth/

Whether you're a believer, skeptic, or denier of AGW/CC, we should all be armed with facts.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on March 28, 2019, 03:22:03 PM
Jeanette

The website realclimatescience is a cesspool of lies. it is created solely to spread FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) about science that is settled. There is no controversy amongst people who actually study CC that it is real happening and manmade - and that it is an existential crisis for mankind. Any simplified headlines about floods don't take away from this fact.

realclimatescience is founded by tony heller aka steven goddard, who is a paid for "expert"....by amongst other people, the heartland institute (part of a network of think tanks whose basic job it is to make fossil fuel investments  safe for investors for a few more decades, at all our expenses....literally selling our children's future!).

Except "tony" is not a climate scientist.....he is a retired software developer. He's not much of a scientist at all if you actually read his posts.

https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/

-----

People that promote this shit are literally dooming our earth. If you care about your kids and grandkids having a functional civilization and not dying in their millions due to flooded cities, low agricultural yields and countless other disasters....... rather than regurgitating  propaganda from people who want to make money from oil companies before it all goes belly up..... use reputable sources.

Answers to all your "but what about the controversy" are here:


https://grist.org/series/skeptics/
 
Any point "tony" can or has brung has been debunked above.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on April 18, 2019, 11:43:56 AM
I’m pretty sure my post will be censored by this group, but my political comment of the day is let’s see where the Democrats are leading  New York now. Especially now that the collusion delusion is over, and 80% of Democrats in my neighborhood have been duped by the fake news for the past two years. And to the two commenters who bashed me on this board for being in the 20% minority, I can only say that the majority doesn’t make it right.  It is sad that I would not feel safe in my own neighborhood of 30 years to wear a MAGA for fear of intising violence.  The hatred of Trump in the city is palatable.  No collusion, no obstruction. Get over it. You’ve all been blinded and fooled by CNN, and Maddox. May I suggest you watch  Hannity on Fox News, and perhaps enlighten yourselves a bit, ( it was Obama’s policy to put illegals in cages). My prediction for Donald Trump is he wins 2020 in a landslide, and  will go down in history as one of the greatest presidents. Let’s see what’s next, his taxes LOL
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on April 18, 2019, 12:13:11 PM
I’m pretty sure my post will be censored by this group .....
RANDOM FASCIST WHINING AND TROLLING

triggered much?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on April 18, 2019, 12:15:36 PM
What is that supposed to mean? I don’t get it
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JH3525 on April 18, 2019, 01:04:42 PM
Jhx, like everyone else you're entitled to your political views which I completely agree with.  You mentioned that you were in the 20% of the Jackson Heights community who share your views which surprised me since I've always thought it was more like 5%.   Thank you for posting. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 18, 2019, 02:00:59 PM
I’m pretty sure my post will be censored by this group, but my political comment of the day is let’s see where the Democrats are leading  New York now. Especially now that the collusion delusion is over, and 80% of Democrats in my neighborhood have been duped by the fake news for the past two years. And to the two commenters who bashed me on this board for being in the 20% minority, I can only say that the majority doesn’t make it right.  It is sad that I would not feel safe in my own neighborhood of 30 years to wear a MAGA for fear of intising violence.  The hatred of Trump in the city is palatable.  No collusion, no obstruction. Get over it. You’ve all been blinded and fooled by CNN, and Maddox. May I suggest you watch  Hannity on Fox News, and perhaps enlighten yourselves a bit, ( it was Obama’s policy to put illegals in cages). My prediction for Donald Trump is he wins 2020 in a landslide, and  will go down in history as one of the greatest presidents. Let’s see what’s next, his taxes LOL


maybe you should learn to read.
10 instances of possible obstruction:
https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-mueller-report-10-instances-obstruction-of-justice-press-conference-2019-4

your trolling skills are C-minus at best. try again, little fella. and learn to spell the names of people you're trying to insult.


Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on April 18, 2019, 02:14:37 PM
I'm posting a link to AOC's YouTube video drawing of the GND. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9uTH0iprVQ&feature=youtu.be

I'm going to be fair to both sides.

First, I ask you to share it on all platforms. It is something that we should all be aware of.

THEN read the YT comments. Here's hoping you kept your doctor cuz they are side splitting, laff yer ass off funny!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on April 18, 2019, 02:36:41 PM
I’m pretty sure my post will be censored by this group, but my political comment of the day is let’s see where the Democrats are leading  New York now. Especially now that the collusion delusion is over, and 80% of Democrats in my neighborhood have been duped by the fake news for the past two years. And to the two commenters who bashed me on this board for being in the 20% minority, I can only say that the majority doesn’t make it right.  It is sad that I would not feel safe in my own neighborhood of 30 years to wear a MAGA for fear of intising violence.  The hatred of Trump in the city is palatable.  No collusion, no obstruction. Get over it. You’ve all been blinded and fooled by CNN, and Maddox. May I suggest you watch  Hannity on Fox News, and perhaps enlighten yourselves a bit, ( it was Obama’s policy to put illegals in cages). My prediction for Donald Trump is he wins 2020 in a landslide, and  will go down in history as one of the greatest presidents. Let’s see what’s next, his taxes LOL


maybe you should learn to read.
10 instances of possible obstruction:
https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-mueller-report-10-instances-obstruction-of-justice-press-conference-2019-4

your trolling skills are C-minus at best. try again, little fella. and learn to spell the names of people you're trying to insult.


Why the "little fella". are you unable to disagree without being a jerk? Seriously, whats your deal?

Cool if we call you "big fat chick"? Fried Chicken fatty?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Shelby2 on April 18, 2019, 03:05:39 PM
Reminder of a few of rules of this board:

We're not strangers. Given the nature of this online community having real world connections to a real community (Jackson Heights and nearby neighborhoods) it's important to keep in mind that what happens here is not limited to the void of the internet. What you say, and how you behave here has an impact on (and will be read by) your neighbors. Please treat others with the same respect you would like to receive in return. This isn't just a random internet site with people you'll never meet.

Do not troll: Trolling is when you just provoke people to make them upset by making it personal, calling them names, or posting offensive images or text to upset them. Your ideas are welcome, your personally-directed insults are not.

No name calling: Don't call people names.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 18, 2019, 04:09:03 PM
sorry about the alleged insult. "LOL."

as far as my "fat" cred, i weigh 145, so i have some work to do, but i'll try.



I’m pretty sure my post will be censored by this group, but my political comment of the day is let’s see where the Democrats are leading  New York now. Especially now that the collusion delusion is over, and 80% of Democrats in my neighborhood have been duped by the fake news for the past two years. And to the two commenters who bashed me on this board for being in the 20% minority, I can only say that the majority doesn’t make it right.  It is sad that I would not feel safe in my own neighborhood of 30 years to wear a MAGA for fear of intising violence.  The hatred of Trump in the city is palatable.  No collusion, no obstruction. Get over it. You’ve all been blinded and fooled by CNN, and Maddox. May I suggest you watch  Hannity on Fox News, and perhaps enlighten yourselves a bit, ( it was Obama’s policy to put illegals in cages). My prediction for Donald Trump is he wins 2020 in a landslide, and  will go down in history as one of the greatest presidents. Let’s see what’s next, his taxes LOL


maybe you should learn to read.
10 instances of possible obstruction:
https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-mueller-report-10-instances-obstruction-of-justice-press-conference-2019-4

your trolling skills are C-minus at best. try again, little fella. and learn to spell the names of people you're trying to insult.


Why the "little fella". are you unable to disagree without being a jerk? Seriously, whats your deal?

Cool if we call you "big fat chick"? Fried Chicken fatty?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on April 18, 2019, 05:10:13 PM
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JH3525 on April 18, 2019, 06:34:55 PM
Lalochezia:  The majority of American voters support President Trump and we are convinced he will be reelected in 2020 by a large majority. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on April 18, 2019, 06:59:06 PM
Average over dozens of polls, not foxnews bs

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 18, 2019, 07:52:02 PM
Lalochezia:  The majority of American voters support President Trump and we are convinced he will be reelected in 2020 by a large majority.

you're hilarious, big, strong fella.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on April 19, 2019, 08:28:55 AM
The Nixon Interviews. 1977

David Frost (a British interviewer) asked Nixon about the legality of the president's actions. In the context of American national security, Nixon replied: "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on April 19, 2019, 09:16:57 AM
Happy to hear that the president did not commit treason.  Interested to know how this investigation was started as the dossier was fake and unverified.  Time for the declassification of FOIA. I'm thinking the arrest of Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Page, and Strozyk for the unmasking of and spying on private citizens.  Andrew Mc Cabe is already facing a grand jury.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 09:42:52 AM
Happy to hear that the president did not commit treason.  Interested to know how this investigation was started as the dossier was fake and unverified.  Time for the declassification of FOIA. I'm thinking the arrest of Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Page, and Strozyk for the unmasking of and spying on private citizens.  Andrew Mc Cabe is already facing a grand jury.

Always jail your enemies: Step seven in establishing a dictatorship. Dear Leader will reward you for your loyalty one day.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on April 19, 2019, 10:03:41 AM
Look who's calling the kettle black. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 02:04:36 PM
sorry if i triggered you.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on April 19, 2019, 02:19:57 PM
Happy to hear that the president did not commit treason.
No kidding... you'd think that if people were being genuine that "relief" would be the overwhelming response across the political world.  But given the reactions it's plain that noone ever actually cared about Russiagate, it's all just about "Resisting".  Two years wasted on this junk... and it looks like everyone is gearing up to waste the next two as well.  It's all so short sighted and miserable.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 02:21:01 PM
read the report. no exoneration. nobody cleared. WITCH NAILED!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on April 19, 2019, 02:46:23 PM
Like I said... here's to wasting the next two years.  ::)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 03:53:43 PM
some of us respect the law. some of us follow your path. some people actually believe Kim Jung Un is a wonderful leader.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on April 19, 2019, 04:53:07 PM
I don't know what you think my path is, but I'm not following your path down hyperbole lane.  ???
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 05:10:24 PM
no exoneration. nobody cleared of guilt. nothing settled.

and the Mueller report netted a profit of over $20 million.

a win-win.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on April 19, 2019, 05:44:22 PM
That certainly sounds like a lot of nothing.
You guys are going to impeach Trump right into a second term.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 06:18:55 PM
you're the one who used the "i" word.

projection.
shows fear.

a Republican senate wouldn't remove him from office if he killed a baby during a rally. just let the courts do their thing. no need for a meaningless impeachment tapdance like the one that did nothing to Bill Clinton.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on April 19, 2019, 06:34:18 PM
I was simply deferring to the words used by our illustrious congressional representative, who you have such admiration for.  But I'm glad to see that you agree that she is absolutely wasting her first and likely only term in Congress trying to impeach Trump out of office.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 06:55:05 PM
the world is passing you by.

make sure to wave.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on April 19, 2019, 07:10:40 PM
BuhBye!  8)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on April 19, 2019, 09:19:10 PM
It is not Mueller's job to "exonerate" anyone. That wasn't his job at all. He's wrote  the report for the Attorney General. The fact he uses such language in the report demonstrates political bias. His job was to find out if there is any evidence to prosecute.  There was none.  Otherwise he would have prosecuted.  It's was a big nothing burger!  He has no power or jurisdiction to exonerate.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 10:25:42 PM
cultists are always disappointed in the end.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on April 20, 2019, 04:49:00 AM


In a Functional Country, We Would Be on the Road to Impeachment
Mueller laid out the evidence for members of Congress to take action against President Trump. Will they?

By Michelle Goldberg


In 2017, a brilliant visual effects expert created a video montage called “It’s Mueller Time! Trump Administration Season Ending.” Set to the crooning of the 1963 song “From Russia With Love,” it shows F.B.I. agents rounding up the central figures who brought us Donald Trump’s presidency, culminating in Trump himself being led away with his hands behind his back.

I’ll admit to having watched this over and over again; it’s one of the most satisfying bits of wish fulfillment I’ve ever seen. Wish fulfillment is all it was, though. It’s a national disgrace that Trump sleeps in the White House instead of a federal prison cell, but it has been a while since I had any expectation that the special counsel Robert Mueller’s findings, many of which were finally released to the public on Thursday, could set things right. Instead, I’d desperately hoped for something more modest: clarity. A rough public consensus on what happened in the 2016 election and its aftermath, akin to the Warren Commission report on the assassination of President John Kennedy, or the 9/11 Commission Report. A set of facts that serious people could agree on, leaving conspiracy theories at least somewhat marginalized.

There are a lot of reasons Trump’s election remains a festering wound. It was a horrifying shock to many of us and, given his decisive loss in the popular vote, an insult to democracy. But there was also so much destabilizing weirdness surrounding it. Trump’s relationship with President Vladimir Putin of Russia has long been suspect; as Kevin McCarthy, the California Republican who was the House majority leader at the time, told colleagues in a secretly recorded 2016 conversation, “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump.” (He was speaking of Dana Rohrabacher, the slavishly pro-Putin former Republican congressman.)

Several weeks before Trump was inaugurated, America’s intelligence agencies reported that Russia had engaged in cyberoperations to help him win. In the months that followed, there was one staggering revelation after another about secret conversations between Trump’s circle and various figures linked to Russian intelligence.

At the same time, the new administration unleashed on the public a degrading cacophony of lies, of the sort many of us associate with authoritarian countries like Russia. The day after the new president was sworn in, Sean Spicer, Trump’s first press secretary, stood in the White House briefing room and insisted that the inauguration crowd had been unprecedented in size. This was terrifying, despite the petty stupidity of the untruth, because Americans were not yet used to being told to believe government diktats over the clear evidence of their senses.

This quickly became our new normal. Once Republicans realized the power they could amass by collaborating in Trumpian mendacity, most of them gleefully abandoned any sense of epistemological solidarity with their fellow Americans. There’s a reason “gaslighting” has become one of the most overused terms of the Trump era. And perhaps the biggest lie of all was that Mueller’s investigation, rather than the events that precipitated it, was the real scandal, an attempt to frame Trump rather than an effort to get to the bottom of an assault on our democracy.

It was probably naïve to think that Mueller could cut through such a thick web of falsity. But if anyone could have, it would have been him, the embodiment of a set of old-fashioned virtues that still ostensibly command bipartisan respect. Over the months of the investigation, he came to represent for many an ideal of manliness that rebuked Trump’s insecure machismo. He was a war hero, Trump was a shirker. He was a public servant, Trump a venal con man. He was honest, Trump a liar. America doesn’t have a Walter Cronkite anymore, a person whose word is trusted implicitly across the political spectrum. Mueller was as close as we were going to get.

He and his team have now given us the clearest picture yet of the murky events surrounding Trump’s ascension. “The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion,” they wrote. The Trump campaign welcomed this interference, but, we now know, did not assist in it. “Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Once in office, Trump sought to thwart the investigation into what Russia had done. He believed — correctly, as it happens — that Russia’s actions cast doubt on the legitimacy of his victory. The report says he may also have feared that what appears to be his advance notice of the WikiLeaks dumps of hacked Democratic emails and his campaign’s now infamous Trump Tower meeting with Russian emissaries offering dirt on Hillary Clinton “could be seen as criminal activity by the President, his campaign, or his family.” Further, although “the President publicly stated during and after the election that he had no connection to Russia,” his company was negotiating to build a Trump Tower Moscow throughout most of the campaign, a fact that could have hurt him politically if it got out.

Numerous commentators have said that the report reads like a road map for impeachment, and in a remotely functional country that’s what it would be. Mueller makes it clear that because of the Office of Legal Counsel’s opinion that a sitting president cannot be indicted, “we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes.” Instead, the evidence is laid out for congressional action, or even for prosecutors to indict after Trump leaves office.

The test for us now is how much evidence still matters. Before the report came out, William Barr, Trump’s attorney general, created a fog of disinformation around it, blatantly misleading the public about what it contained.

Weeks before anyone else could read the report, he tried to close the door on obstruction, implying falsely that Mueller meant to leave the decision to him. In a news conference on Thursday, Barr repeatedly said that Mueller had found no “collusion” between the Trump campaign and Russia. Mueller, however, never examined the case through the lens of “collusion,” which isn’t a term in criminal law: “In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of ‘collusion,’” the report says. Barr claimed that “evidence of non-corrupt motives weighs heavily against any allegation that the President had a corrupt intent to obstruct the investigation.” The report is overstuffed with evidence of corrupt motives.

But most people aren’t going to read the nearly 500-page report. Republicans have already seized on Barr’s words — and on the lack of criminal charges in a document that was never going to contain criminal charges — to claim total vindication for Trump. The president’s manifest disloyalty to the country in trying to halt an investigation into a foreign attack on an American election is, to the right, of no account. Nor are the counterintelligence implications of Mueller’s findings, which aren’t part of the report. In the eyes of the president’s supporters, his campaign did not participate in the criminal conspiracy that helped elect him, so no more needs to be said.

The reaction to the report shows that between the minority of Americans who support Trump and the majority who do not, there may no longer be even the possibility of a shared sense of reality or national purpose. Even as exemplary a figure as Mueller cannot change that.

Compounding the problem, Republicans are willing to act unilaterally on their perception of reality, but Democrats are not. As Hannah Arendt wrote in 1951, “Totalitarianism will not be satisfied to assert, in the face of contrary facts, that unemployment does not exist; it will abolish unemployment benefits as part of its propaganda.” The same logic underlies Republican threats to actualize fantasies about an attempted deep-state coup by opening an investigation into the Mueller investigation’s origins.

Most Democrats, conversely, have facts on their side, but not conviction. They are reluctant to begin an impeachment inquiry into Trump because majorities, in polls, don’t support it, and there is no Republican buy-in. Whether or not this is politically wise, failing to impeach would be a grave abdication. If you want people to believe that the misdeeds enumerated in the Mueller report are serious, you have to act like it. To not even try to impeach Trump is to collaborate in the Trumpian fiction that he has done nothing impeachable.

On Friday, Senator Elizabeth Warren took the lead among Democratic presidential candidates in calling for impeachment proceedings to begin. Others should follow her. Mueller has given us the truth of what Trump has done, and in that sense the hokey faith the Resistance put in him was not misplaced. But right now only a political fight can make that truth matter.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on April 23, 2019, 02:11:59 PM
cultists are always disappointed in the end.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on April 23, 2019, 02:12:39 PM
sorry if i triggered you.


You'd think someone against Gun culture would have a more nuanced word.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on April 23, 2019, 02:14:17 PM
Happy to hear that the president did not commit treason.  Interested to know how this investigation was started as the dossier was fake and unverified.  Time for the declassification of FOIA. I'm thinking the arrest of Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Page, and Strozyk for the unmasking of and spying on private citizens.  Andrew Mc Cabe is already facing a grand jury.

Always jail your enemies: Step seven in establishing a dictatorship. Dear Leader will reward you for your loyalty one day.


"The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself." Saul Alinsky
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on April 24, 2019, 01:34:21 AM
In a functional country we would have never had a presidential election that included either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.  The next one is looking like it's going to be a clown parade.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on April 24, 2019, 09:19:44 AM
In a functional country we would have never had a presidential election that included either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.  The next one is looking like it's going to be a clown parade.

Deja for President
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on April 25, 2019, 11:22:03 AM
Quote
His job was to find out if there is any evidence to prosecute.  There was none.  Otherwise he would have prosecuted.  It's was a big nothing burger!

No, you should try reading the report, or at least digging in to the reporting of credible news organizations (which the report also confirms were in fact reporting real news, not fake news).

Mueller outlined his reasoning for not coming to a conclusion on whether or not Trump committed obstruction of justice and therefore laid out all the instances of possible obstruction of justice: the DOJ guidelines are that a sitting President cannot be indicted, so therefore it was pointless for him to come to a conclusion of whether or not Trump committed obstruction of justice.

Mueller very much laid this at the feet of the public and Congress to figure out what to do. It's only a year and a half until the next Presidential election. The House -- controlled by Democrats -- can potentially draw this out with hearings and testimony (figuring out whether or not to vote for impeachment) well in to the 2020 campaign cycle.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: stevn on April 25, 2019, 12:07:10 PM
Happy to hear that the president did not commit treason.  Interested to know how this investigation was started as the dossier was fake and unverified.  Time for the declassification of FOIA. I'm thinking the arrest of Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Page, and Strozyk for the unmasking of and spying on private citizens.  Andrew Mc Cabe is already facing a grand jury.

You should probably change the channel on your tee-vee.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on April 25, 2019, 12:18:03 PM
...And you should probably turn yours off.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on April 26, 2019, 03:19:25 PM
Let me be the first on this site to wish our First Lady a Happy Birthday
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 26, 2019, 05:42:06 PM
you were more heartfelt than her roommate.....

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1121771416305700864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1121771416305700864&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.elle.com%2Fculture%2Fcareer-politics%2Fa27286966%2Fmelania-trump-birthday-tweet-white-house%2F
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on April 27, 2019, 11:45:55 AM
Of course you didn’t show the whole story. As usual, that pic is Fake News, and your spreading it. So sad..
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 27, 2019, 12:05:42 PM
are you saying the OFFICIAL white house twitter feed is fake?

finally, we agree on something.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on April 27, 2019, 12:10:44 PM
No, I’m saying you spread fake news. Why was she sitting alone?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on April 27, 2019, 12:12:08 PM
 Should I quote your other fake news comments?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 27, 2019, 12:15:43 PM
No, I’m saying you spread fake news. Why was she sitting alone?

the same reason she does everything else alone.

and why didn't the OFFICIAL white house statement show her and her roommate together?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 27, 2019, 12:16:23 PM
Should I quote your other fake news comments?

please do -- it's kind of flattering to have an obsessive stalker like you.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on May 04, 2019, 12:47:51 AM
My political comment of the day would be, WOW. Lots of truth finally coming out. Are people still going to conclude his guilt on colluding with the Russians, that is what this was all about,  wasn’t it? Or perhaps obstructing from a innocent man?  Anyway, his success cannot be denied, although people will try. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JH3525 on May 04, 2019, 06:44:49 AM
jhx:  Yes, his success can not be denied.  Since President Trump was elected President the DOW has increased 44.8% and the NASDAQ 56.9%.  Unemployment is currently at 3.6% the lowest since 1969 and we have an incredibly strong economy.  Thank You Mr. President. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 04, 2019, 12:20:25 PM
jhx:  Yes, his success can not be denied.  Since President Trump was elected President the DOW has increased 44.8% and the NASDAQ 56.9%.  Unemployment is currently at 3.6% the lowest since 1969 and we have an incredibly strong economy.  Thank You Mr. President.

the DOW was 7,550 when President Obama took office. It was over 19,000 when he left office. that's over 200%. Donald deserves the silver medal he's earned.

and Trump the candidate said -- dozens and dozens of times -- that all government employment figures are fake. we can't believe the rates the government claims. in 2016, unemployment was "27, maybe even 29 percent," according to Trump the candidate. so, now, it's 24 percent at best.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on May 04, 2019, 02:07:31 PM
  My political commentary of the day is this.  Let’s also not forget that the Obama administration added $7 trillion to our debt, that was a record. He also ignoreed the dying vets waiting for medical care. And the threats from Russia and ISIS? Completely ignored. He also abandoned  Israel, our biggest ally in the Middle East.  He also ignored the constitution by issuing executive actions on immigration. Let’s not forget he forced government controlled healthcare on Americans.  Also not to mention all the burdens and regulations that hurt job creators and prevented economic growth.  How easily people forget how bad it was.   President Trump, you keep waving your magic wand and doing what you’re doing for the next six years, while the screws tighten on the colllisionist dillusionist.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 04, 2019, 03:04:14 PM
i have to smile broadly knowing that you wake up every morning knowing you're represented by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on May 04, 2019, 07:23:24 PM
^^That's not political commentary. It's revisionism (and inaccurate or outright false)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petegart on May 04, 2019, 08:34:30 PM

Mostly provided by TIM DICKINSON

HIGHER TAXES
Hikes for workers

The $1.5 trillion GOP tax bill gives permanent cuts to corporations and millionaires. But the tax cuts for workers expire after just a few years. By 2027, 83 percent of tax benefits accrue to the top one percent, while Americans earning less than $75,000 – 86 million households in all – will face tax hikes.
Breaks for robots

Trump billed his tax plan as a boon to workers: “Our plan can be simplified in three simple words: jobs, jobs, jobs.” But the new law offers a deep tax cut for capital investments, creating a perverse incentive to replace workers with robots. If previously the cost of employing five people or investing in automation might have been equal, the tax break tips the economic scales to robots – and leaves workers holding pink slips.
Jobs sent overseas

The Trump law taxes profits from American subsidiaries abroad at just 10.5 percent – half the rate for domestic corporate profits. That creates a powerful incentive to offshore factories and jobs.
LOWER WAGES
Overtime denied

In 1975, 62 percent of salaried workers got mandatory overtime; today it’s just seven percent. A fast-food assistant manager making just $24,000 can be denied overtime pay. An Obama-era rule would have required overtime for anyone earning less than $48,000, boosting take-home pay for more than 4 million working-class Americans. But the rule’s 2016 implementation was blocked by a lawsuit. The Trump administration has refused to defend it in court.
Contract employees

Trump ended Labor Department guidance that prevented many big corporations from classifying employees as “independent contractors.” The shift in status from employee to contractor will leave many workers without benefits – including unemployment insurance – and saddle them with self-employment taxes.
COSTLY LIVING
High housing costs

In his first act as president, Trump blocked a rate cut on the federal insurance required for many mortgages. The move cost nearly 1 million American homeowners an average of $500 in 2017 alone.
Slashed deductions

The Trump tax bill limits the deductibility of state property and income taxes to $10,000. In high-tax states like New Jersey, the yearly property-tax bill for a modest $400,000 home can easily top $10,000. That means middle-class workers will be subject to double taxation – long a Republican taboo – paying federal taxes on the money they used to pay off their state tax burden.
FINANCIAL EXPLOITATION
High investor fees

Trump has blocked the “fiduciary rule” that would require many advisers to work in the financial interests of their clients, rather than maximize their own earnings through fees or juicy commissions. The rule would save mom-and-pop investors $17 billion a year.
Gutting consumers

Trump’s budget director, Mick Mulvaney, now helms the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the watchdog agency conceived by now-Sen. Elizabeth Warren. Mulvaney is a fierce critic of CFPB, which he’s called a “sick, sad” joke, and he wasted no time in flipping CFPB’s mission statement, seeking now to identify and address “outdated, unnecessary, or unduly burdensome regulations” on business. In his short tenure, Mulvaney has blocked a crackdown on payday lenders and stalled CFPB’s probe of the massive data breach at Equifax.
No class action

Trump signed legislation to overturn a ban on “forced arbitration.” This is a boon to bad financial actors like Wells Fargo, the bank that fraudulently opened accounts for thousands of its customers. Individuals seeking justice can now be forced into arbitration hearings, alone, against a giant corporation, and halted from banding together with others to sue in a class-action lawsuit.
Tax cuts for the rich

Trump’s tax reform was supposed to ensure that “no corporation or individual, no matter how wealthy, is given an unfair advantage.” And he vowed to do away with the carried-interest loophole – a tax break for the wealthiest investors – insisting, “The hedge-fund guys are getting away with murder.” But Trump’s tax reform left the lucrative investor loophole untouched. The new law also created or expanded loopholes that will benefit the Trump family – including breaks for private-jet owners, real estate investors and heirs of the nation’s richest estates.
NO HEALTH CARE
Lost benefits

The Trump tax bill ended the individual mandate to obtain health insurance under Obamacare. The mandate had spurred millions into plans that were highly subsidized – or free. Many lower-income working Americans, for example, do not realize they qualify for Medicaid. Without the push of the mandate, a projected 5 million Americans will drop off the Medicaid rolls, forgoing $179 billion in benefits. The tax bill will lead to 13 million Americans in all losing coverage.
Spiking premiums

Ending the insurance mandate will lead fewer young, healthy Americans to enroll, leaving an older, sicker population in the Obamacare markets. This will drive a spike in premiums, according to the Congressional Budget Office. A separate Trump move – blocking reimbursements to insurers for mandated cost controls – has already caused the price of “silver”-tier plans to jump as much as 38 percent.

DIPLOMA DEBT
Loan repayment

Under Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, the administration has rolled back protections for students swindled by for-profit colleges. An Obama-era rule let student borrowers defrauded by for-profit colleges cancel their student-loan debt. DeVos is keeping the burden of proof on students to show that the college harmed them. She’s also moved to scratch an Obama-era regulation that forced for-profit colleges to demonstrate employment success for graduates or lose eligibility to accept federal loan dollars.
OPIOID CRISIS
Little done on drugs

Trump made the deadly opioid scourge a focal point of his campaign, vowing to “dramatically expand access to treatment.” As president, Trump declared a national emergency on opioids – but made no moves on treatment, while placing an unqualified 24-year-old at a top post in the drug czar’s office. Trump championed GOP efforts to end the expansion of Medicaid, which funds addiction treatment for thousands. (It took more than a year, and the work of Democrats in the Senate, to appropriate $6 billion for the opioid fight.)
BURNING JOBS
Kneecapping solar

In his first major trade offensive, Trump imposed a 30 percent import tax on solar panels. While doing little to ensure a future for U.S. solar-panel factories, the tax is projected to destroy 23,000 well-paid jobs among solar installers and the manufacturers of equipment needed to mount solar arrays and plug them into the grid.
Cruel cuts

In his latest budget, Trump eliminates a rural-economic-development program, and cuts hundreds of millions of dollars from job retraining and programs for laid-off factory workers.
DANGEROUS WORKPLACES
Lax contracts

Trump rolled back Obama’s “Fair Pay and Safe Workplaces” executive order. It had forced businesses seeking government work to disclose compliance with federal workplace-protection laws before getting a government contract.
Unsafe conditions

The Trump administration has repeatedly favored corporate profits over human health. For the coal industry, the administration moved to weaken coal-dust standards, ended a rule to prevent mining waste from being dumped in streams and halted a study on the health impacts of mountaintop-removal mining. For Big Oil, Trump rolled back deep-water drilling protections designed to prevent another explosion like the one that killed and injured dozens on the Deepwater Horizon rig, and threatened to open drilling in coastal waters from California to Maine. ■
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Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 04, 2019, 08:50:01 PM
i'm just happy that the "base" will be losing healthcare and having their benefits cut. elections have consequences.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on May 08, 2019, 08:47:56 AM
i'm just happy that the "base" will be losing healthcare and having their benefits cut. elections have consequences.

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

"Newly obtained tax information reveals that from 1985 to 1994, Donald J. Trump’s businesses were in far bleaker condition than was previously known."


By the time his master-of-the-universe memoir “Trump: The Art of the Deal” hit bookstores in 1987, Donald J. Trump was already in deep financial distress, losing tens of millions of dollars on troubled business deals, according to previously unrevealed figures from his federal income tax returns.

Mr. Trump was propelled to the presidency, in part, by a self-spun narrative of business success and of setbacks triumphantly overcome. He has attributed his first run of reversals and bankruptcies to the recession that took hold in 1990. But 10 years of tax information obtained by The New York Times paints a different, and far bleaker, picture of his deal-making abilities and financial condition.

The data — printouts from Mr. Trump’s official Internal Revenue Service tax transcripts, with the figures from his federal tax form, the 1040, for the years 1985 to 1994 — represents the fullest and most detailed look to date at the president’s taxes, information he has kept from public view. Though the information does not cover the tax years at the center of an escalating battle between the Trump administration and Congress, it traces the most tumultuous chapter in a long business career — an era of fevered acquisition and spectacular collapse.

The numbers show that in 1985, Mr. Trump reported losses of $46.1 million from his core businesses — largely casinos, hotels and retail space in apartment buildings. They continued to lose money every year, totaling $1.17 billion in losses for the decade.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 08, 2019, 09:55:53 AM
i'll give him credit for "promises made, promises kept," since he is actually running the country the way he ran those businesses -- as promised. :)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 08, 2019, 11:17:29 AM
Besides the variations on the one theme where Democrats trash Trump and Republicans praise him...

Since Biden is the #1 Democrat front-runner for 2020, in this battle of the oldies, Biden vs Trump, can Biden win?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JH3525 on May 08, 2019, 11:46:43 AM
If the economy continues to remain strong throughout 2019 & 2020 along with low unemployment and a strong stock market with the DOW well above 26,000 and the NASDAQ well above 8,000 the election would certainly be in favor of President Trump. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on May 08, 2019, 11:56:05 AM
Besides the variations on the one theme where Democrats trash Trump and Republicans praise him...

Since Biden is the #1 Democrat front-runner for 2020, in this battle of the oldies, Biden vs Trump, can Biden win?

He's relative strength nationally, assuming he makes it through the DNC Primary, is in the key states that were differentiators for trump that Obama carried very well. OH, PA, WI and MI are states where his “lunch bucket” Joe plays well and could pry some voters away from the incumbent.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 08, 2019, 12:29:36 PM
Besides the variations on the one theme where Democrats trash Trump and Republicans praise him...

Since Biden is the #1 Democrat front-runner for 2020, in this battle of the oldies, Biden vs Trump, can Biden win?

He's relative strength nationally, assuming he makes it through the DNC Primary, is in the key states that were differentiators for trump that Obama carried very well. OH, PA, WI and MI are states where his “lunch bucket” Joe plays well and could pry some voters away from the incumbent.

Yes, I see the logic in that.

But is Biden someone you get excited about? A charismatic leader? Trump has proven to be charismatic for his base ( not for others)...whereas Joe Biden is...safe, I suppose.

Can folks get passionate over Biden? The trouble is...Biden doesn't seem to get passionate. He's...safe.  Whereas Trump is all passion.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 08, 2019, 02:19:32 PM
you're correct -- it is hard to get passionate over Biden, who's the current front runner (like Jeb was at this point in 2015). he's not my top choice, nor is the other elderly gent on the D side...

but every post-election analysis of the 2016 race refers to the number of people who voted for Donny because they hated Hillary Clinton with a passion, not because they liked him. i think enough people have that white-hot hatred for this incumbent to make a difference in 2020.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 09, 2019, 08:20:26 AM
I am not convinced that wishful thinking will unseat Trump.

Democrat-leaning folks need someone who can whip up passion (like the Republican-leaning have Trump) to get out and vote.

Yes, Democrats won Congress last mid-term election. But "white-hot hatred" did not win the Senate. Not 100% certain but my research tells me that Nixon lost both the senate and congress...Trump only lost congress.





Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 09, 2019, 09:35:55 AM
you're correct about the Nixon era in terms of numbers. but back then, the GOP was less monolithic and included people like Nelson Rockefeller, who'd be considered a raging leftist by today's Republicans -- and middle of the pack in today's Democratic party. Nixon had GOP opposition because some of them realized he was committing crimes and merited punishment.

as we've been told by the trumpster, he could "shoot a man on fifth avenue and not lose any votes."

and, yes, an inspirational candidate is ideal: there are a couple that hit the mark for me. then again, they may turn off the people who are literally walking on that double yellow line between "progressive" and conservative...it will be an interesting primary season.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 30, 2019, 09:00:03 AM
IMO Mueller operates in a professional and diplomatic old fashioned way where everything he says is in the subtext. His manner requires thought and time to reflect.

The White House, on the other hand, is working in a simplistic, sloganistic "in your face" soundbite way. That doesn't require interpretation.

The White House is getting its message across clearly to most.

Alas, the subtility of Mueller and his case confuses the public. It's as though Mueller is too fearful to say what he really thinks out loud.

The White House is outmaneuvering Mueller to do with this investigation. The brazen approach seems to be what folks understand.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 30, 2019, 11:26:27 AM
i have to agree -- simplistic sloganeering is always more popular than thoughtful discourse. that's why dictatorial strongmen, from the right and from the left, manage to wrest and maintain power so readily.

it's almost silly to counter shouted, monosyllabic lies with reasoned facts, but that seems to be the tack people are taking. it doesn't bode well.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on May 30, 2019, 12:58:25 PM
There's a bunch of these on youtube, I think this one's my favorite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA631bMT9g8
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on June 14, 2019, 12:35:51 AM
 Let me be the first on this site to wish the President of the United States, a very Happy Birthday. May the next six years of his Presidency be even better than the last two, ( if that’s even possible) Happy Birthday Mr. Donald Trump, from the silent minority in Jackson Heights Queens. :)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: stevn on June 14, 2019, 09:16:51 AM
Let me be the first on this site to wish the President of the United States, a very Happy Birthday. May the next six years of his Presidency be even better than the last two, ( if that’s even possible) Happy Birthday Mr. Donald Trump, from the silent minority in Jackson Heights Queens. :)

For a majority, you sure don't vote in the neighborhood. Better register some of your fellow trolls to vote.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Lilybell on June 14, 2019, 09:51:48 AM
Quote
Happy Birthday Mr. Donald Trump, from the silent minority in Jackson Heights Queens. :)

I hope he chokes on his birthday cake
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 14, 2019, 09:55:56 AM
Hey, it's also Boy George's Birthday today. Happy Birthday Boy George.  :)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 14, 2019, 12:23:55 PM
Let me be the first on this site to wish the President of the United States, a very Happy Birthday. May the next six years of his Presidency be even better than the last two, ( if that’s even possible) Happy Birthday Mr. Donald Trump, from the silent minority in Jackson Heights Queens. :)

fake news -- he has no birthday. he simply rose, fully formed, from the depths of Hades.

and happy birthday, Boy George (and Che Guevara, just to further my Marxist image).
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on June 14, 2019, 02:15:09 PM
Too bad that the same people who praise Che don’t meet his end. A physician who murdered thousands of innocent people. What’s next, praising Stalin?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 14, 2019, 06:38:00 PM
i only place the triggers. you pull them.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: r on June 17, 2019, 12:05:21 AM
Death Cab for Cutie played a show in Forest Hills last night and introduced their new anti-gentrification song as:
Quote
"This band is from Seattle. Let me tell you something Queens, you dodged a real fucking bullet. This song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVAOUjXj0XY) is about that..."
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 17, 2019, 11:53:38 AM
Yeh, but maybe Seattle dodged a bullet by not having to live in the future sex industry center.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on June 17, 2019, 03:23:10 PM
I don't know about you, but I don't think Death Cab for Cutie will be my go-to financial and business adviser anytime soon. Apparently someone has never been to LIC. You can't gentrify it more. I literally moved out a decade ago because I couldn't afford it; when AMZN stock was still affordable (damn!).

Without Amazon HQ2 and Bezos' helipad, we'll just have to continue blaming coffee houses and wine bars for our housing prices.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 17, 2019, 03:55:08 PM
Yeh, but maybe Seattle dodged a bullet by not having to live in the future sex industry center.

there's more sex work going on along central park south and on the upper east side than jackson heights could ever dream of. four figures a "date" for the top dogs of hollywood and the political realm.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 17, 2019, 03:59:18 PM
Yeh, but maybe Seattle dodged a bullet by not having to live in the future sex industry center.

there's more sex work going on along central park south and on the upper east side than jackson heights could ever dream of. four figures a "date" for the top dogs of hollywood and the political realm.

Yet again DSSJH. Two wrongs don't make a right.

That fact of logic appears to elude you each and every time.

When I lived overseas near a legal red light district, I had to remove used condoms from the flowerbeds outside, pretty much most mornings. That's my past experience of living near a legal red light district. Let's see.



Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 17, 2019, 04:56:44 PM
you should have rinsed 'em out and sold 'em to the older white clients. they're always looking for a bargain.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 17, 2019, 11:21:45 PM
you should have rinsed 'em out and sold 'em to the older white clients. they're always looking for a bargain.

Will leave that to you and your obvious entrepreneurial spirit.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 03:45:47 PM
There will soon be a boom in taxi drivers. This law will have a tremendous impact in Jackson Heights.


https://nypost.com/2019/06/17/cuomo-signs-bill-granting-drivers-licenses-to-illegal-immigrants/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

you really hate living here.

that makes me happy.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: N00b on June 18, 2019, 06:02:26 PM
There will soon be a boom in taxi drivers. This law will have a tremendous impact in Jackson Heights.


https://nypost.com/2019/06/17/cuomo-signs-bill-granting-drivers-licenses-to-illegal-immigrants/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

you really hate living here.

that makes me happy.


+1
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on June 18, 2019, 06:37:38 PM
My comments are neutral. I just state that there will soon be many more licensed drivers in NYS. There are two sides to the coin. If this is a good or bad idea is really to be determined by others.

SeloChezia objects to your use of the word illegal in your topic title. It's not politically correct. That makes you a bad person. As such you are a criminal.

Anyway, that's the logic as far as I could deduce. But then I'm not the thought police. So I could be wrong. Or not.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on June 18, 2019, 07:21:30 PM
Lol@ LALOCHEZIA, if the United States government, and the president of United States refers to them as illegal immigrants, I’m pretty sure they are correct. Contrary to your delusional beliefs.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on June 18, 2019, 07:26:01 PM
Whenever someone whines about having to be 'Politically Correct' I just swap that out for 'respectful towards others.'
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Also JHX:if you're using the current president of the USA as a benchmark for "correctness in use of language", you're beyond help here......

Since we're on language:
https://www.gq.com/story/us-border-concentration-camps
 How does it feel to support an administration that establishes concentration camps? Are your ancestors proud of you for this?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on June 18, 2019, 07:40:01 PM
I believe it was Obamas policy to put the illegal immigrants in cages, and Ive heard Obama use the words illegal immigrants  plenty of times. So no, I was not talking about the current president.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 18, 2019, 07:52:28 PM
I suppose the major trouble with people is that it is impossible to control them. And even harder to control what people say and think.

Much like with cats.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on June 18, 2019, 07:53:07 PM
https://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2018/may/09/steve-mccraw/illegal-alien-legal-term-federal-law/

I'd like your citation to a reputable source, rather than your "memory" on Obama's use of the term. If he said it, he was wrong to. It's dehumanising no matter who says it.

 No-one has embraced the term, and the establishment of concentration camps, and a panopoly of other racist actions, more than the current administration.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on June 18, 2019, 07:54:57 PM
I suppose the major trouble with people is that it is impossible to control them. And even harder to control what people say and think.

meow
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on June 18, 2019, 07:59:23 PM
Anyone watching the Trump rally in Florida tonight?  We really do have an outstanding President.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 08:34:30 PM
you should have rinsed 'em out and sold 'em to the older white clients. they're always looking for a bargain.

Will leave that to you and your obvious entrepreneurial spirit.

as you've said on numerous occasions, we need to adapt. new york is always changing. and change is good.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 18, 2019, 08:36:08 PM
you should have rinsed 'em out and sold 'em to the older white clients. they're always looking for a bargain.

Will leave that to you and your obvious entrepreneurial spirit.

as you've said on numerous occasions, we need to adapt. new york is always changing. and change is good.

Yes, I wish you luck with your new business.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 08:37:23 PM
Lol@ LALOCHEZIA, if the United States government, and the president of United States refers to them as illegal immigrants, I’m pretty sure they are correct. Contrary to your delusional beliefs.

the president of the United States also talks about grabbing the private parts of women, uses the n-word to refer to African-Americans and says no one should ever talk to federal law enforcement.

in essence, he's John Gotti without the morals. and he will go out the same way. alone, afraid, and in prison.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 08:38:08 PM
thanks. your order is duly noted.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 18, 2019, 08:43:13 PM
thanks. your order is duly noted.

I use an IUD.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on June 18, 2019, 08:51:35 PM
News suppression, not?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on June 18, 2019, 08:53:28 PM
Watch his rally tonight.  #walkaway
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 09:00:20 PM
I don't need to turn on the TV to hear an incontinent old man yell racist claptrap. #JusticeForKatieJohnson
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: sl on June 18, 2019, 10:32:44 PM
There will soon be a boom in taxi drivers. This law will have a tremendous impact in Jackson Heights.


https://nypost.com/2019/06/17/cuomo-signs-bill-granting-drivers-licenses-to-illegal-immigrants/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

you really hate living here.

that makes me happy.

Why?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 10:42:41 PM
because every time a rabid far-right type gets upset, an angel gets its wings.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on June 20, 2019, 09:44:22 AM
@Lalochezia, you are comparing our southern border to concentration camps? You should visit the Yad Vashem museum in Israel. You can not compare what the Nazis did in concentration camps :(
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on June 20, 2019, 10:02:40 AM
"The debate has been clouded by the conflation of the phenomenon of concentration camps, which predate the Holocaust, and the death camps run by the Nazis"

https://www.jta.org/2019/06/18/united-states/the-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-concentration-camp-debate-explained

Note the source.

PS: I have visited Yad Vashem. Members of my family were killed in the Holocaust.

So don't lecture me on what concentration camps are or are not. The racist dehumanizing poison that ran through the veins of nazis, at the moment, in diluted form, runs through the veins of dehumanizers - and apologists for dehumanizing people TODAY. Our job is to stop it concentrating and turn it back.

"Never again" means for anyone, or it means nothing.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 20, 2019, 10:54:59 AM
Refugee camps might be a more apt term.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 20, 2019, 11:24:23 AM
Refugee camps might be a more apt term.

it does sound more warm and fuzzy, but it's less accurate.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: the80s on June 20, 2019, 01:13:31 PM
Refugee camps might be a more apt term.

Here's what Andrea Pitzer, the author of One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps wrote about that:
"A camp in a country in which the leader openly expresses animosity toward those interned, in which a government detains people and harms them by separating children from their parents or deliberately putting them in danger, is much closer to a concentration camp than a refugee camp."
https://www.gq.com/story/us-border-concentration-camps
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 20, 2019, 01:50:30 PM
The only solution I can envision is an open border with Mexico and South America.
USA citizens can move south as well as the other way round!

Eventually, maybe that'll happen.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: sl on June 20, 2019, 03:04:42 PM
The only solution I can envision is an open border with Mexico and South America.
USA citizens can move south as well as the other way round!

Eventually, maybe that'll happen.

Open borders with Mexico and South America? Are you crazy?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 20, 2019, 03:09:03 PM
The only solution I can envision is an open border with Mexico and South America.
USA citizens can move south as well as the other way round!

Eventually, maybe that'll happen.

perhaps. there was no border patrol until 1924, and it only became an issue when outside influences - in this case, Germany, in the form of the so-called "Zimmerman telegram" -- tried to stir up trouble. people who actually *live* in the border towns have very few issues with  immigrants and guest workers. the rhetoric tends to come from people 1000 or more miles away.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 22, 2019, 01:13:49 PM
Must admit, am relieved that the decision was made not to attack Iran in retaliation.

Interesting. Astonishing, really. And actually, it must be said, a good call.



Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on June 22, 2019, 08:44:35 PM
Don’t you worry a carefully planned attack is coming. They are studying the satellite images first to determine where to attack. We will hit them at our own timeline.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 22, 2019, 10:19:20 PM
Don’t you worry a carefully planned attack is coming. They are studying the satellite images first to determine where to attack. We will hit them at our own timeline.

Thankfully, the President is wiser than his supporters. And he is avoiding conflicts. As opposed to his followers who appear to be making excuses for the President's conflict avoidant behavior.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on June 23, 2019, 10:32:53 PM
Only one real party in this country, the war party.  And so it goes...  ::)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 23, 2019, 10:35:19 PM
Don’t you worry a carefully planned attack is coming. They are studying the satellite images first to determine where to attack. We will hit them at our own timeline.

Thankfully, the President is wiser than his supporters. And he is avoiding conflicts. As opposed to his followers who appear to be making excuses for the President's conflict avoidant behavior.

his boss gave the order. it's all over the news. Putin said "no go" and there was no attack. which is good.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on June 23, 2019, 11:11:01 PM
Then we should all thank Putin for being the only adult in the room with any apparent sense.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: KGDHP on June 25, 2019, 09:36:30 PM
Good luck. If we get Caban elected, which seems likely, it's going to be lawless and these guys will serve no time. The 115 won't be able to do anything. Can't wait for the neighborhood to crumble even further. :(
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 25, 2019, 11:13:09 PM
yeah, it's a hellhole. get out while you can. apartment prices plummeting daily. no new businesses. jackson heights is the new east new york.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 26, 2019, 09:18:55 AM
East New York (which is next to Crown Heights) is gentrifying. And apartment prices/businesses are on the rise.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 26, 2019, 09:52:22 AM
Also it is all very well for childless folks to be blase about these issues. We are more likely to be immune to the allure of drugs. We can afford to be dismissive about it. Selfish, even. But bringing up kids in an environment where drugs are openly sold on the street is not great. Teens, being teens, will want to experiment.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on June 26, 2019, 11:04:26 AM
The whole Democratic Party is behind legalizing drugs. First marijuana then other drugs. Like in the Netherlands. I don’t understand why you are complaining.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 26, 2019, 11:12:13 AM
Then again if it were legalized, at least it wouldn't need to be sold on the streets...
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on June 26, 2019, 11:29:41 AM
The whole Democratic Party is behind legalizing drugs. First marijuana then other drugs. Like in the Netherlands. I don’t understand why you are complaining.

In the Netherlands, Marijuana is decriminalized, not legalized. It is highly tolerated by the law.

There has been a crackdown on pretty much every other type of drug.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 26, 2019, 11:38:22 AM
The whole Democratic Party is behind legalizing drugs. First marijuana then other drugs. Like in the Netherlands. I don’t understand why you are complaining.

America's biggest drug problem is with prescription opioids. legal. deadly. no jail time for pharma CEOs. yet.

and i'm not blase about street dealing. if it's weed, i don't care. if it's harder drugs, i do. i don't care what people put into their bodies, but cokeheads are unpleasant when they need a fix. i've worked in the entertainment industry and seen that first hand.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 26, 2019, 11:45:17 AM
East New York (which is next to Crown Heights) is gentrifying. And apartment prices/businesses are on the rise.

i realize that. been going on ever since the industry pushed the boundaries of "Bushwick" well into ENY. the real estate developers and their partners in city government are arranging it with great aplomb. we're going to need to pour some Battery Park styled landfill to push the displaced poor folks to.

i

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on June 26, 2019, 11:52:19 AM
I'd rather see drugs in general legalized in order to take the crime out of it. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 26, 2019, 12:04:08 PM
The whole Democratic Party is behind legalizing drugs. First marijuana then other drugs. Like in the Netherlands. I don’t understand why you are complaining.

In the Netherlands, Marijuana is decriminalized, not legalized. It is highly tolerated by the law.

There has been a crackdown on pretty much every other type of drug.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands

It's Purim every day there!  :)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on June 26, 2019, 12:17:49 PM
The whole Democratic Party is behind legalizing drugs. First marijuana then other drugs. Like in the Netherlands. I don’t understand why you are complaining.

The dems are not the dems any more. Get with the program there sailor. They are socialists.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 26, 2019, 02:28:48 PM
The whole Democratic Party is behind legalizing drugs. First marijuana then other drugs. Like in the Netherlands. I don’t understand why you are complaining.

The dems are not the dems any more. Get with the program there sailor. They are socialists.

FDR was a socialist. every conservative politician and thinker of the time said it loud and often. and they reminded everyone that commie plans like Social Security, the WPA and the New Deal would destroy America, and America would never recover.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: hfm on June 27, 2019, 12:42:18 AM
The whole Democratic Party is behind legalizing drugs. First marijuana then other drugs. Like in the Netherlands. I don’t understand why you are complaining.

The dems are not the dems any more. Get with the program there sailor. They are socialists.

FDR was a socialist. every conservative politician and thinker of the time said it loud and often. and they reminded everyone that commie plans like Social Security, the WPA and the New Deal would destroy America, and America would never recover.

I'm sure this is the same Social Security that all the old Republicans are more than happy to see flow into their checking accounts every month.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on June 27, 2019, 01:14:26 AM
World War II saved the American economy. We would sell all these arms and ships to Britain. So we looted the treasury of the United Kingdom. This is why after the war Britain was left so poor.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on July 09, 2019, 03:59:06 AM
...the machine behind AOC

The DSA and Socialist International and the Open Society/ies, MoveOn and an endless web of justice NGOs, and countless very wealthy tech, finance and media globalists go way above and beyond what any local machine could ever.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on July 09, 2019, 10:21:20 AM
...the machine behind AOC

The DSA and Socialist International and the Open Society/ies, MoveOn and an endless web of justice NGOs, and countless very wealthy tech, finance and media globalists go way above and beyond what any local machine could ever.

Why don't you just say "JEWS" and get it over with.

Dropping descriptions like "Globalist" and "Open Society" (run by soros, the right-wing's current boogeyman)  are CLASSIC antisemitic dogwhistles.

 BY REPEATING THIS You, jeanette are promulgating antisemitism. and supporting it.

I want to know if the mods on jhlife want to be reported on as a hate site. because this is what allowing this kind of shit is.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on July 09, 2019, 10:23:38 AM
https://forward.com/scribe/412627/yes-ranting-against-globalism-is-anti-semitic/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/24/george-soros-antisemitism-bomb-attacks


I flagged your comment as antisemitic
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on July 09, 2019, 10:36:52 AM
Ranting against globalism / socialism / communism is NOT anti-semitic.  It's a time-honered American tradition.  Stop narc-ing on people just because you don't like what they say.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on July 09, 2019, 10:52:45 AM
https://forward.com/scribe/412627/yes-ranting-against-globalism-is-anti-semitic/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/24/george-soros-antisemitism-bomb-attacks


I flagged your comment as antisemitic

Tactix
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jeffsayyes on July 09, 2019, 11:28:54 AM
Globalism is just pro-immigrant. Jews get kicked out of everywhere they (or we, yes I am one of them) go, so we are always the immigrants - although we are more white than ever before now. People don't generally like interlopers, especially ones that use their brain to get ahead and not war.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 09, 2019, 11:34:29 AM
There are Republican Jews. Democrat Jews. Ultra-Left Jews. Ultra-Right Jews. Rich Jews. And Poor Jews.

Plus, apparently, there are angry dybbuk Jews.

Dybbuk.(definition)

In Jewish mythology, a dybbuk (Yiddish: דיבוק‎, from the Hebrew verb דָּבַק dāḇaq meaning "adhere" or "cling") is a malicious possessing spirit believed to be the dislocated soul of a dead person.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on July 09, 2019, 11:58:48 AM
Globalism is just pro-immigrant. Jews get kicked out of everywhere they (or we, yes I am one of them) go, so we are always the immigrants - although we are more white than ever before now. People don't generally like interlopers, especially ones that use their brain to get ahead and not war.

Is bringing up Jews a way to shut down any talk about AOC?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on July 09, 2019, 12:23:35 PM
This is why we can't have nice things.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on July 09, 2019, 01:30:47 PM
We have some authoritarians here who put words in other people's mouth and then call them bigots, all to shut down ideas they don't personally like.  It's damn pathetic.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 09, 2019, 02:58:16 PM
We have some authoritarians here who put words in other people's mouth and then call them bigots, all to shut down ideas they don't personally like.  It's damn pathetic.

Thankfully, trying to do that will never work.

Because

1. The posters on this board are unwavering.

2. The beauty of democracy. He/she who was voted in. Can also be voted out.





Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on July 11, 2019, 08:08:13 AM
BOOM: Jeffrey Epstein
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 11, 2019, 09:05:43 AM
 You don’t think the Clintons have anything to do with the strange turn of events do you?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 11, 2019, 10:57:32 AM
You don’t think the Clintons have anything to do with the strange turn of events do you?

George, maybe.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: francis on July 11, 2019, 12:24:34 PM
Clinton is a perv.  His denial of ever traveling to Epstein Island sounds much the same as his denial of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. His name appears 26 times on the plane manifest.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 11, 2019, 12:45:46 PM
 I was talking about Hillary,  everybody knows about her husband
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on July 11, 2019, 01:32:18 PM
I would like to make an announcement. abc has officially emerged as JHLife's voice of reason. 

In other news, what the heck is everybody talking about?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on July 11, 2019, 01:35:34 PM
Clinton is a perv.  His denial of ever traveling to Epstein Island sounds much the same as his denial of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. His name appears 26 times on the plane manifest.

"Epstein Island"? the plane, the plane

I didn't know that russian operatives cared about Jackson Heights life.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 14, 2019, 08:37:43 AM
FDR was further left than AOC. his "socialist agenda" was destined to destroy America, said the conservatives of the time.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 14, 2019, 12:35:17 PM
and this morning, Dementia Donny tweeted that AOC should "go back to her own country" to fix problems there. the sundowning started at 8:45 AM today, i guess.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on July 15, 2019, 08:11:05 AM
and this morning, Dementia Donny tweeted that AOC should "go back to her own country" to fix problems there. the sundowning started at 8:45 AM today, i guess.

Poll: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defining Democrats among crucial 2020 swing voters - Axios
23 hours ago


Top Democrats are circulating a poll showing that one of the House's most progressive members — Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez — has become a definitional face for the party with a crucial group of swing voters.

Why it matters: These Democrats are sounding the alarm that swing voters know and dislike socialism, warning it could cost them the House and the presidency. The poll is making the rounds of some of the most influential Democrats in America.

"If all voters hear about is AOC, it could put the [House] majority at risk," said a top Democrat who is involved in 2020 congressional races. "She's getting all the news and defining everyone else’s races."
The poll — taken in May, before Speaker Pelosi's latest run-in with AOC and the three other liberal House freshmen known as "The Squad" — included 1,003 likely general-election voters who are white and have two years or less of college education.

These are the "white, non-college voters" who embraced Donald Trump in 2016 but are needed by Democrats in swing House districts.
The group that took the poll shared the results with Axios on the condition that it not be named, because the group has to work with all parts of the party.
The findings:

Ocasio-Cortez was recognized by 74% of voters in the poll; 22% had a favorable view.
Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota — another member of The Squad — was recognized by 53% of the voters; 9% (not a typo) had a favorable view.
Socialism was viewed favorably by 18% of the voters and unfavorably by 69%.

Capitalism was 56% favorable; 32% unfavorable.
"Socialism is toxic to these voters," said the top Democrat.
Between the lines: Dems are performing better with these voters than in 2016 (although still not as well as in 2018). So party leaders will continue to try to define themselves around more mainstream members.

The other side: Three members of The Squad — Omar, Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Rep. Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts — defended their approach while appearing in Philadelphia yesterday on a panel at the annual Netroots Nation conference, AP's Juana Summers reports:

"We never need to ask for permission or wait for an invitation to lead," Omar said, adding later that there's a "constant struggle oftentimes with people who have power about sharing that power."
Go deeper:

What you need to know about the 2020 presidential candidates, in under 500 words
2020 presidential election: Track which candidates are running
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 15, 2019, 10:46:06 AM
if the majority of Americans actually accept what the "president" is pushing, the country no longer deserves to exist.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 15, 2019, 11:06:06 AM
 Didn’t you mean to say the country didn’t deserve to exist during the Clinton/Obama debacle?   President Trump will easily win the 2020 election. The majority of Americans are speaking.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 15, 2019, 12:52:15 PM
Didn’t you mean to say the country didn’t deserve to exist during the Clinton/Obama debacle?   President Trump will easily win the 2020 election. The majority of Americans are speaking.

in case you missed math from Grades 1 through 12, "majority" is defined as the larger part/number

Donald J. Trump   Republican   62,980,160
Hillary R. Clinton   Democratic   65,845,063
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on July 15, 2019, 01:04:21 PM
Our founding fathers were wise to understand the tyranny of the majority was just as dangerous as the tyranny of the one.

Donald J. Trump   Republican   304
Hillary R. Clinton   Democratic   227
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: stevn on July 15, 2019, 01:23:38 PM
Our founding fathers were wise to understand the tyranny of the majority was just as dangerous as the tyranny of the one.

Donald J. Trump   Republican   304
Hillary R. Clinton   Democratic   227

Hooooo boy. Imagine what the Founding Fathers would think of the racist rapist we've got in the White House.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 15, 2019, 01:25:23 PM
Our founding fathers were wise to understand the tyranny of the majority was just as dangerous as the tyranny of the one.

Donald J. Trump   Republican   304
Hillary R. Clinton   Democratic   227

because they wanted to guarantee their right to own black people -- a right a full 21 percent of Dementia Donny's voters supported in a poll late last year.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on July 15, 2019, 01:41:44 PM
Our founding fathers were wise to understand the tyranny of the majority was just as dangerous as the tyranny of the one.

Donald J. Trump   Republican   304
Hillary R. Clinton   Democratic   227

Hooooo boy. Imagine what the Founding Fathers would think of the racist rapist we've got in the White House.

I imagine there has been much worse, save that media didn't exist as it does today and politicians were able to present a very controlled image to the public.   The reality is that anyone who would want to be president is probably unfit to hold the office.   I don't hold much hope for this country without a viable third party coming to the fore.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 15, 2019, 02:54:55 PM
In case you missed the class in comprehension reading, I said the majority of Americans ARE speaking up, and will easily win the 2020 election.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: stevn on July 15, 2019, 03:27:14 PM
In case you missed the class in comprehension reading, I said the majority of Americans ARE speaking up, and will easily win the 2020 election.

Since he's never cracked 50% approval, earned millions fewer votes than his opponent in 2016, and is polling behind multiple potential Democratic candidates...maybe the voices are just speaking in your head.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 15, 2019, 03:55:09 PM
 Maybe you should have learned from the 2016 election the polls don’t mean a thing.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 15, 2019, 04:07:06 PM
when Dementia Donny had some doubts about his own election back in 2016, he suggested that "the second amendment people could do something" if they didn't like the results.

hmm.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on July 15, 2019, 06:29:24 PM
I think it's a really good chance Trump wins in 2020, especially considering how Democrats have gone full on Socialist.  Americans just aren't going to vote for the crazy coming from Dems these days.

The real question is what is going to happen to all these people who can't accept Trump as POTUS when they are faced with another 4 years of their nightmare?  Are heads physically going to start spontaneously exploding?  Will there be actual sedition in the streets and media?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 15, 2019, 07:01:09 PM
IMO The President of the USA is crazy...as a fox.

His uncanny M.O. is to tweet out loud exactly what his supporters think.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 15, 2019, 11:09:58 PM
 He tweets the truth, unlike the fake news media that broadcast skewered/ slanted views to the masses.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 15, 2019, 11:19:02 PM
The previous comment proves exactly my point.