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Title: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: buzz on December 18, 2018, 10:58:00 AM
It takes two to tango.

So said Trump! So how is it every god d@mn republican pick of Don the Chump's is indicted in criminal behavior?  Oh we aint dancing anymore !!!

[Moderator's Note: Okay, by popular demand, with this off-topic post, we hereby kick off a new experimental thread in miscellaneous political commentary.  Feel free to express your political gripes here.   But the rules of the board still apply.  Keep a lid on hate speech and ad hominem attacks.  If things get out of hand, we're going to shut it down.]
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on December 18, 2018, 12:13:04 PM
I think there would be plenty of indictments to go around if we investigated them all.  Our whole political system is a criminal enterprise.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on December 18, 2018, 12:32:19 PM
I think there would be plenty of indictments to go around if we investigated them all.  Our whole political system is a criminal enterprise.

true. most don't *literally* steal money from kids with cancer for their own use, though.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on December 18, 2018, 01:43:45 PM
i hope she's at the leading edge of the formation that will drive the fascists into the dirt.

you don't negotiate with fascists. you destroy them.


Awe your like Kevin Parker in a dress
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on December 18, 2018, 01:47:47 PM
i hope she's at the leading edge of the formation that will drive the fascists into the dirt.

you don't negotiate with fascists. you destroy them.


Awe your like Kevin Parker in a dress
and you're like Rush Limbaugh in fishnets and a bra.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on December 18, 2018, 01:47:59 PM
I think there would be plenty of indictments to go around if we investigated them all.  Our whole political system is a criminal enterprise.

true. most don't *literally* steal money from kids with cancer for their own use, though.


But progressives steal from Sandy folks:
https://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/pamela-harris-fraud-sentencing-1.22401681


Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on December 18, 2018, 01:49:01 PM
i hope she's at the leading edge of the formation that will drive the fascists into the dirt.

you don't negotiate with fascists. you destroy them.


Awe your like Kevin Parker in a dress
and you're like Rush Limbaugh in fishnets and a bra.


Nah, I dont like drug addicts, it's a moral failing.  Look at that drunkard Ted Kennedy and his women killing.


Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on December 18, 2018, 01:49:41 PM
in other words, you hate kids with cancer. not surprising, given your overall tone out here.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on December 18, 2018, 01:50:42 PM
i hope she's at the leading edge of the formation that will drive the fascists into the dirt.

you don't negotiate with fascists. you destroy them.

look at that adderall snorter Don Trump and his tween raping.

and with that, i stop wrestling the pig.

Awe your like Kevin Parker in a dress
and you're like Rush Limbaugh in fishnets and a bra.


Nah, I dont like drug addicts, it's a moral failing.  Look at that drunkard Ted Kennedy and his women killing.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Lilybell on December 19, 2018, 05:15:08 PM
lol, this experiment is going to be a train wreck.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on December 19, 2018, 05:45:58 PM
lol, this experiment is going to be a train wreck.

just be thankful we can't post memes :)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: toddg on December 19, 2018, 06:09:42 PM
Actually, that might improve things a bit!

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/287/559/ff4.jpg)

Or maybe not.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on December 19, 2018, 06:39:36 PM
Actually, that might improve things a bit!

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/287/559/ff4.jpg)

Or maybe not.

i'll settle for a thumbs up or down. thumbs up. ;)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 08, 2019, 01:17:37 PM
if you want to Make America Great Again, that means going back to the Republican tax rates of the 1950s, 70-75 percent at the top.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on January 08, 2019, 01:43:39 PM
"Make America Great Again" is a simplistic slogan that sounds good but doesn't really clarify anything.

Like

"Give peace a chance"

"All you need is love"

"Nothing could be finer than to be in Carolina in the Morning"

These sorts of slogans are really lyrics that belong in songs.

"Make America Great Again" could be a lyric in a perfectly nice, sentimental and nostalgic nationalistic anthem.

It is not an axiom or vision by which a country can in truth really be governed.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on January 08, 2019, 02:36:18 PM
I grew up in the 50s. I was poor. I lived a block from the stock yards. I remember bums laying drunk in the streets. The high tax rates were in support of the US economy and jobs, to reconstruct from wartime to peacetime. My family home was taken by eminent domain to build a highway. Any benefits to poor people were gained indirectly.

America WAS great because we were proud to be Americans. We conceived, implemented, fought for and won the American way: freedom, independence, opportunity. It's not a joke. Americans asked for and expected nothing. It's obvious that this spoiled generation, that thinks poverty is not being able to afford an iphone, will not learn from history or appreciate what previous generations gave us.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on January 08, 2019, 04:02:47 PM
De Blasio just announced a Heath Care deal for all New Yorkers.

New York is GREAT.

Also Jeanette, have you spoken to your grandchildren?

After having a proper conversation with young folk, you will be surprised that your views about "Kids, I don't know what's the matter with kids today!" (another song lyric from your era!) are simply incorrect.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 15, 2019, 10:14:17 AM
social security is Marxism -- once your withdrawals exceed your contributions, that is.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on January 15, 2019, 10:25:51 AM
I think social security is based on your highest earnings. It is not what you pay in, you get back. If you make six figures for five years but nothing for the rest of your life, you will get the maximum in payments. I think.

At any rate, it's a ponzi scheme that requires new payees coming into the system. One of the concerns about lowered wages is everyone pays into a system that results in low payouts. It's unsustainable. It will go broke. Then, I don't know, I don't think we have a replacement.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on January 15, 2019, 10:35:22 AM
I think social security is based on your highest earnings. It is not what you pay in, you get back. If you make six figures for five years but nothing for the rest of your life, you will get the maximum in payments. I think.

At any rate, it's a ponzi scheme that requires new payees coming into the system. One of the concerns about lowered wages is everyone pays into a system that results in low payouts. It's unsustainable. It will go broke. Then, I don't know, I don't think we have a replacement.

Put old people in a workhouse run by Amazon!!!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 15, 2019, 10:46:18 AM
I think social security is based on your highest earnings. It is not what you pay in, you get back. If you make six figures for five years but nothing for the rest of your life, you will get the maximum in payments. I think.

At any rate, it's a ponzi scheme that requires new payees coming into the system. One of the concerns about lowered wages is everyone pays into a system that results in low payouts. It's unsustainable. It will go broke. Then, I don't know, I don't think we have a replacement.

i know how it works, i'm just saying it's socialism. much like most of modern society, from police protection to EMS to subsidized water and sewer and free wi-fi in the subway.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on January 15, 2019, 12:38:32 PM
The Evils of "Socialism"
Author Unknown

This morning I was awakened by my alarm clock, powered by socialist electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the socialist clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the socialist radio to one of the FCC regulated channels to hear what the socialist National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using socialist satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of socialist US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the socialist drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time, as kept accurate by the socialist National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my socialist National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the socialist roads build by the socialist local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the socialist Environmental Protection Agency, using socialist legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the socialist US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the socialist public school.

If I get lost, I can use my socialist GPS navigation technology developed by the United States Department of Defense and made available to the public in 1996 by President Bill Clinton who issued a policy directive declaring socialist GPS to be a dual-use military/civilian system to be managed as a national socialist asset.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the socialist workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the socialist USDA, I drive my socialist NHTSA car back home on the socialist DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the socialist state and local building codes and socialist fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the socialist local police department.

I then get on my computer and use the socialist Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and browse the socialist World Wide Web using my graphical web browser, both made possible by Al Gore's socialist High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991.

I then post on freerepublic.com and Fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine and energy - and especially for poor people looking for handouts! - is BAD because the government can't do anything right, and the poors don't deserve my hard earned cash that I got for myself without any socialist help.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 16, 2019, 01:04:26 PM
Yep, never works. That explains why fdr and JFK were so hated for their programs
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on January 16, 2019, 02:31:58 PM
Both millionaires who were born into wealthy families. Never forget that most of the JFK’s fortune was from his dad running rum from Canada and Cuba. He never paid taxes on that income because it was all illegal at the time. Most of the FDR wealth came prior to there being an income tax.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on January 16, 2019, 04:24:00 PM
FDR was a genius!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 16, 2019, 04:29:18 PM
FDR was a genius!

he was -- but imagine the idea of "social security." Marxist pabulum. work until you die. in fact, child labor, too. work before you're born!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on January 16, 2019, 05:48:40 PM
Hate to break up the whole “I love Social Security “ love fest but given the decline in population after the baby boomers there will not be enough workers to cover the retirement costs of the elderly. It is only a matter of time before they will need to cut benefits or  American workers will emigrate to seek a better life without legacy costs. It truly is a Ponzi scheme. Most twenty to forty year olds will never see a dime of social security they pay into.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Simka on January 19, 2019, 01:40:20 AM
Hate to break up the whole “I love Social Security “ love fest but given the decline in population after the baby boomers there will not be enough workers to cover the retirement costs of the elderly. It is only a matter of time before they will need to cut benefits or  American workers will emigrate to seek a better life without legacy costs. It truly is a Ponzi scheme. Most twenty to forty year olds will never see a dime of social security they pay into.

And yet there are people who hate the idea of immigrants coming into the U.S., even though, if we allow them to do it legally, they can work and contribute to Social Security.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on January 19, 2019, 09:24:54 AM
I don’t think people hate the idea of immigrants coming in. It’s the idea of the illegal immigrants coming in
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on January 19, 2019, 10:27:56 AM
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given the decline in population after the baby boomers

Gen X is small compared to the Boomers. However you're ignoring another generation that came after the Boomers. https://www.careerplanner.com/Images/Annual%20Births%20Chart-550w.jpg (https://www.careerplanner.com/Images/Annual%20Births%20Chart-550w.jpg)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 19, 2019, 11:32:18 AM
I don’t think people hate the idea of immigrants coming in. It’s the idea of the illegal immigrants coming in

and most of those people come from families that got here in the 19th century via at least one member who came here with no "papers," no jobs and, in some cases, no name. if they didn't have TB, they got in and worked their way down into the worst jobs in America. illegal Italian, Irish, Asian and Eastern European immigrants made America great.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jadasie on January 19, 2019, 04:19:04 PM
Even if they had papers, the doors were wide open then. Today's immigrants, especially adults from Central America, have a much, much harder time obtaining citizenship than did people a century ago.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on January 20, 2019, 08:48:04 AM
Wide open except for Chinese immigrants. (Immigration Act of 1882). And then, just like now, racism fueled that exclusion.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on January 20, 2019, 09:10:54 AM
Wide open except for Chinese immigrants. (Immigration Act of 1882). And then, just like now, racism fueled that exclusion.

We need to care for our own that are in poverty before we add to those numbers. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on January 20, 2019, 09:24:29 AM

We need to care for our own that are in poverty before we add to those numbers.

Once upon a time, we could walk and chew gum at the same time. It appears we have lost the ability and will to do either.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on January 20, 2019, 10:12:57 AM
We are the most generous country when it come to accepting a high number of legal immigrants into our country and the most compassionate when it comes to giving aid.  If your own house is not in order, don't invite company.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on January 20, 2019, 10:16:58 AM
We are the most generous country when it come to accepting a high number of legal immigrants into our country and the most compassionate when it comes to giving aid.  If your own house is not in order, don't invite company.

https://qz.com/1193421/2018-sotu-fact-checking-how-much-development-aid-does-the-us-give/

In absolute numbers, compared to say, the UK - a country 1/6 the size of the USA, sure.
Per capita or per gdp? Misers.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on January 21, 2019, 09:11:51 PM
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We need to care for our own that are in poverty before we add to those numbers.

That's right, racism. Funny how when white people migrate here, they contributed to the growth of this country to become a world power. But when the Chinese were doing it, they were making it difficult to provide for those in poverty.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on January 22, 2019, 04:03:38 PM
Funny how when one can't muster up a logical argument, the first thing resorted to is playing the race card.  You are also assuming I am white.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 22, 2019, 04:32:15 PM
election results over the past few years have shown us that only a tiny fraction of this community adheres to the Trumpian worldview. posts on this site have shown that they're largely much older and, in some cases, pondering leaving. things are looking brighter, locally, at least.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on January 22, 2019, 05:36:14 PM
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Funny how when one can't muster up a logical argument, the first thing resorted to is playing the race card.  You are also assuming I am white.

It's really not anyone else's fault if you're not able to follow the logic. And no, I haven't assumed you're white.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on January 22, 2019, 05:40:14 PM
There is no logic to follow. You are simply wrong. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on January 23, 2019, 12:02:57 PM
Who cares now that we know the world will soon end in twelve years!

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ocasio-cortez-the-world-is-going-to-end-in-12-years-if-we-dont-address-climate-change/

This AOC is certainly amusing.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: PizzaRat on January 23, 2019, 01:46:16 PM
I grew up in the 50s. I was poor. I lived a block from the stock yards. I remember bums laying drunk in the streets. The high tax rates were in support of the US economy and jobs, to reconstruct from wartime to peacetime. My family home was taken by eminent domain to build a highway. Any benefits to poor people were gained indirectly.

America WAS great because we were proud to be Americans. We conceived, implemented, fought for and won the American way: freedom, independence, opportunity. It's not a joke. Americans asked for and expected nothing. It's obvious that this spoiled generation, that thinks poverty is not being able to afford an iphone, will not learn from history or appreciate what previous generations gave us.

I'm a part of "this spoiled generation" you speak of and think your comments are very disrespectful. Just as there were spoiled and entitled people while you were growing up (even if you weren't one of them), there are today. That doesn't mean an entire generation is useless simply because we grew up with more advanced technology and different ways of communicating (Internet, social media, etc.).

I grew up broke in the 90s and was poor as a young, independent adult. I put myself through college working full-time and worked my way up from restaurant jobs to the office job and decent salary (and three side jobs) I have now. Many of my friends who also went to CUNY schools and worked their way through college and early adulthood would really resent you saying that "this generation" thinks poverty is not having an iPhone... we paid our dues just like you did when "America was great" apparently. I'm sure you're a real hit with young people.  ::)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 23, 2019, 03:31:01 PM
Who cares now that we know the world will soon end in twelve years!

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ocasio-cortez-the-world-is-going-to-end-in-12-years-if-we-dont-address-climate-change/

This AOC is certainly amusing.

you mean the study put out by SCIENTISTS via the always amusing United Nations?

http://time.com/5418134/ipcc-climate-change-report-2030-crisis/

 I used to think Trumpster Divers were useful idiots. but i no longer see uses for them.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on January 23, 2019, 05:49:51 PM
Go to India and China and tell them to stop burning coal and oil. They are causing most of the CO2 and air pollution both now and in the next 30+ years. The world may indeed see increasing sea levels (whatever the cause) but that does not mean the world will end. I guess we will have to build a sea wall between Staten Island and Brooklyn.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 23, 2019, 08:27:45 PM
using your logic, we should all go out and take a dump on diversity plaza because a homeless man will do that from time to time. personal responsibility, sir or madam. live it.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on January 25, 2019, 10:01:38 AM
"Carbon" is the reefer madness of the 21st century.  Eventually you'll be taxed for breathing.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on January 25, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
"Carbon" is the reefer madness of the 21st century.  Eventually you'll be taxed for breathing.

Scene: Europe/USA/Most everywhere 2100

"Daddy? Why are we refugees? Why do crops keep failing? Why can't we feed ourselves as a society? Why is there war and devastation everywhere?  Why are there floods and fires everywhere? Why is the natural world so degraded? Why don't things get better?  Why don't we have a society - they used to have one? Who did this to us?"

"well, look at the kind of statement that people like Chingwa promoted in the early 21st century. for the lolz they willfully ignored the oncoming the greatest disaster ever to befall mankind - one that impoverished and hurt billions of people, so that they could have a few more years of selfish luxury. they did this to you. we will always curse their names - hell, their own grandkids curse their names as they die young, suffering because of their actions!"
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on January 25, 2019, 11:32:28 AM
This is just a power grab by a bunch of green zealots. I plan to keep warm as long as I live in NYC. This will involve burning gas or oil for heat. There is no other way to keep warm. Also Con Ed will burn fossil fuels to produce electricity. The solar and wind option is not realistic. If you want to influence global pollution, you have to control the population of China and India because together they have billions of people and burn tons of coal. This is like the new tax scheme that we will now tax total wealth and not income. We will never be Denmark as others want us to become.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on January 25, 2019, 11:42:27 AM
If,as "a green zealot", I wanted a power grab (hah!), I would align with the billionaires, political powers and corporations that, for short term gain, are ruining the world for future generations - who, if you didn't notice have much more money and power than any green initiatives....and go around yukking it up with their either dumb or willing enablers, like you, JK Resident.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on January 25, 2019, 02:24:27 PM
You need to removed from this forum for engaging in personal attacks.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on January 25, 2019, 03:05:01 PM
why is it always the conservatives asking for safe spaces and nanny state protection?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 07, 2019, 02:10:35 PM
the real answer is more coal. coal powered IPhones built in right to work states should be the core of the New Black Lung Deal.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on February 07, 2019, 02:14:03 PM
the real answer is more coal. coal powered IPhones built in right to work states should be the core of the New Black Lung Deal.

Nuanced response.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 07, 2019, 02:35:34 PM
as someone who's studied and written about American history, I'll remind you that the original New Deal had Republicans talking about how it would undoubtedly destroy America. the country would be in ruins if the radical FDR had his way.

i look forward to the continued impotent whining of the right. and their relegation to the margins.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on February 07, 2019, 03:18:57 PM
as someone who's studied and written about American history, I'll remind you that the original New Deal had Republicans talking about how it would undoubtedly destroy America. the country would be in ruins if the radical FDR had his way.

i look forward to the continued impotent whining of the right. and their relegation to the margins.

It's wholly false narrative that anyone who dares disagree with the far left is therefore a far right Republican, I know the local DNC thinks being anything close to a centrist is a liability.  It belittles any real fact base argument you bring forth.

You keep your hope, I’ll keep my hard earned change.

Always remember, elections have consequences DSS…
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on February 07, 2019, 03:23:43 PM
Well it seems the Republicans were right that the social security Ponzi scheme would end. The population demographics as mentioned above will take care of that. Unless you think today’s twentysomethings will pay 70% of their middle class paycheck to pay for all the elderly and disabled. The only out of this mess would involve immigration of highly educated people who earn high incomes.

As for this “green deal” and Jackson Heights. Most of JH is made up of big buildings that burn gas or oil for heat and hot water. Electric heat would be prohibitively expensive and would burden the electrical grid. The power plants burn oil or gas depending on what is cheaper. Now they burn gas because of the low price of natural gas. If the rest of the nation prohibited fracking like NYS we would be burning oil. Most buildings in JH have boilers that can burn both depending on price. The whole solar and wind option is perfectly acceptable if you live in Southern California. So this whole “green new deal” is pie in the sky nonsense that will never actually solve our energy needs.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 07, 2019, 05:23:35 PM
fine. kill the old and poor. you'll no doubt sleep well.

once again, you sicken all decent people among us.

and feel free to mewl about being victimized.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: StevenGrey on February 07, 2019, 08:01:41 PM
Well it seems the Republicans were right that the social security Ponzi scheme would end. The population demographics as mentioned above will take care of that. Unless you think today’s twentysomethings will pay 70% of their middle class paycheck to pay for all the elderly and disabled. The only out of this mess would involve immigration of highly educated people who earn high incomes.

BULLSHIT. Social Security would continued to be funded WELL into the foreseeable future if:
1. Incomes would rise along with the rate of inflation, instead of being stagnant for 99% of wage-earners
2. The salary cap would be eliminated.

End of story. I'm not a socialist but I think people who work 40-50 years deserve to be secure in their senior years and have healthcare.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on February 07, 2019, 09:22:33 PM
Incomes haven’t been increasing if you factor inflation. Why would one expect that will happen given the increase in the cost of living? Even if you increase the salary cap there are too few people at those higher income levels to pay current amounts. This will require a dramatic decrease in benefits.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 07, 2019, 10:11:50 PM
if you put the social security/medicare tax on every income of 10 million or more, we'd be in much better shape. i know those people and their apologists like handouts, but it's about time we cut them off.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on February 08, 2019, 09:41:28 AM
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The population demographics as mentioned above will take care of that.

what population demographics? The one where the Millennial generation is bigger than the Baby Boomers?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on February 08, 2019, 06:25:22 PM
These socialists don't want a more perfect Union.  They want a Union in their image.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 08, 2019, 06:26:31 PM
in other words, they're just like you.

only they're correct.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on February 08, 2019, 10:12:21 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 14, 2019, 09:07:15 AM
Conspiracy theories. The last resort of those who lost.

Anyway, BETO O'ROURKE. Finally someone whose message encompasses all Americans. And not only Identity Politics agendas.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 14, 2019, 03:03:05 PM
O'Rourke is an excellent candidate.

the astroturf campaign being waged by undercover GOP operatives says he has white male privilege, and should be disqualified. since there are no white males in the GOP.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on March 14, 2019, 03:39:13 PM
O'Rourke is an excellent candidate.

the astroturf campaign being waged by undercover GOP operatives says he has white male privilege, and should be disqualified. since there are no white males in the GOP.


Per our Tobacco lawyer of a Senator, I thought "the future is female"

I kid, I'm sure he's a fine candidate


"Robert Francis O'Rourke was born on September 26, 1972, at Hotel Dieu Hospital in El Paso, Texas, to Pat Francis O'Rourke and his second wife Melissa Martha O'Rourke (née Williams).[2][3][4][5] He has Irish and Welsh[6] ancestry."


Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 14, 2019, 03:45:53 PM
ah, tobacco.

i remember when the GOP said the smoking ban would drive all bars out of NYC within a year.  misty water color memories.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on March 14, 2019, 04:08:13 PM
ah, tobacco.

i remember when the GOP said the smoking ban would drive all bars out of NYC within a year.  misty water color memories.

I loath the GOP as a bunch of hypocrites, if your cool with the party you support doing the same all the best to you and you and yours.

Just get the Cheese ready for your 2020 whine. LOL
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on March 14, 2019, 08:31:07 PM
Beto has to be the biggest joke of a presidential candidate there is. He hasn’t done anything in life except get elected to congress.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 15, 2019, 09:19:12 AM
Beto has to be the biggest joke of a presidential candidate there is. He hasn’t done anything in life except get elected to congress.

But he may still inherit a real estate empire. We don't know his father's financial situation.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 15, 2019, 10:51:13 AM
O'Rourke is an excellent candidate.

the astroturf campaign being waged by undercover GOP operatives says he has white male privilege, and should be disqualified. since there are no white males in the GOP.

Identity Politics. The mistake that will cause the Democrat Party to shoot itself in the foot.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 15, 2019, 11:17:26 AM
i understand what you're saying and i am NOT attacking your point of view, but....

didn't the current "president" take office based ENTIRELY on identity politics? the aggrieved caucasian (mostly male) identity?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 15, 2019, 12:12:59 PM
i understand what you're saying and i am NOT attacking your point of view, but....

didn't the current "president" take office based ENTIRELY on identity politics? the aggrieved caucasian (mostly male) identity?

Again, DSSJH, you are free to your opinion.

But two wrongs never do make a right.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on March 15, 2019, 01:45:41 PM
O'Rourke is an excellent candidate.

the astroturf campaign being waged by undercover GOP operatives says he has white male privilege, and should be disqualified. since there are no white males in the GOP.

Identity Politics. The mistake that will cause the Democrat Party to shoot itself in the foot.

That's pejorative being that they already shot Steve Scalise...


If Beto had a "R" after his name instead of a "D", you’d hear he was a boarding school attending, judges son, who dodged DUI charges and used eminent domain to gentrify latino neighborhoods and married into a rich family who made their money destroying Mother Earth.



Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 15, 2019, 02:28:06 PM
Stop being a clown, Paulie you're embarrassing yourself and your whole family . And don't whine. Grown adults don't whine
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on March 15, 2019, 02:29:57 PM
Stop being a clown, Paulie you're embarrassing yourself and your whole family . And don't whine. Grown adults don't whine

dont speak of my family or we can take this in a whole new direction chica
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 15, 2019, 02:52:39 PM
fine, but your boy -- MAGA hat, anti-immigrant raving and all -- just killed 49 innocent people in a house of worship.

your other boy -- MAGA hat, anti-immigrant raving -- killed a dozen people in a house of worship in Pittsburgh.

to borrow from the conservative agenda, how do we know Scalise was even shot? he could be a crisis actor.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on March 15, 2019, 06:12:22 PM
Partisanship is a disease.  ::)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 15, 2019, 06:42:30 PM
Partisanship is a disease.  ::)


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha

ha.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on March 15, 2019, 08:18:38 PM
Clearly some are more diseased than others.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 15, 2019, 10:05:40 PM
you can say that again!  ::)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on March 16, 2019, 10:14:49 AM
Clearly some are more diseased than others.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on March 25, 2019, 09:20:58 AM
Let’s all thank Mueller for his unbiased report on our President. Now, Mr. Trump can get back to doing what he has been doing all along since he’s been elected, and what he has promised to do. Bring back jobs? Yes. Lower unemployment? Yes. Building a strong economy after 8years of losses for our economy?? Yes Refusing to pay Iran billions of dollars for who knows what? Yes Deal with China,Syria,Iran,North Korea? Yes. Building the wall? Yes. Stop funding for Planned Parenthood and their abortions from my taxes??? Doubles yes. Just a few examples of  why I am so proud and excited for another win in 2020. Thank you, Mr President.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on March 25, 2019, 11:08:32 AM
No one outside of a few DC insiders has seen the report.

What we've seen is a summary by an AG appointed by .....Trump. Obviously "unbiased".

--

As for the rest of your delusional fox-news-talking-point tirade, how does it feel to live in a neighborhood, where, if you said these things out loud, you would be shunned (at best!) by 80% of your neighbors as an immoral, fascist-supporting fantasist? Because when you say things like the above.... that's what you are.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 11:34:01 AM
I believe it is time to accept that we, the people of the USA, elected Mr Trump.

Not outside foreign influences, which is the excuse every third world country uses. Blaming foreign forces is the historical refuge of every nation which cannot take responsibility for its own choices.

But we are a democracy.  And so the person, we, the people of the USA voted in can be the person we vote out.

Next year will be interesting. Let's see what we, the people of the USA, do.

Also if 80% of our neighborhood is Democrat, that leaves 20% who aren't. Over 20,000 people who are our neighbors.  That's actually a sizable number.  It's probably time to accept that each and every one of our neighbors has a right to their political leanings without being "hated". We, after all, are a democracy. No? 







Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 02:29:07 PM
i believe we are a democracy.

the conservatives will tell you we are, in fact, not a democracy. we are a "constitutional republic."

these are the people who believe we need to round people up like animals and herd them into cages, criminal or not.

i don't believe in that. i know you don't either.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 02:52:47 PM
i believe we are a democracy.

the conservatives will tell you we are, in fact, not a democracy. we are a "constitutional republic."

these are the people who believe we need to round people up like animals and herd them into cages, criminal or not.

i don't believe in that. i know you don't either.

DSSJH, I believe in discussion and respect and communication. Even for those whose ideas I don't agree with. That's what I believe in. Dismissing the entire folk who voted Republican as"conservatives" who believe in evil actions, isn't, in my opinion, smart. And appears to me to be black and white and polarizing thinking.

Life, in my experience, ( though less than yours I admit,)  is far more nuanced and shades of grey. And complicated, not simplistic. Not Good and Bad. Not White hats/Black hats. IMO, that's not an educated way to think. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 03:04:39 PM
i actually don't believe that Republicans in our area are all "conservatives," but i also believe that the national Republican party has sought to remove shades of gray from its ranks. the incessant drumbeat about RINOs and needing to fall into line behind the president, no matter what, has pushed the party far, FAR to the right (overall). i do believe in demonizing those who'd legislate me -- as an LGBT person -- out of existence. i do believe in demonizing racism and xenophobia. i'll shout that from the rooftops. i demonize demons -- but not everyone who's to my right politically.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 03:25:15 PM
DSSJH, you say "I demonize the demons".  This seems to be the constant and glaringly obvious flaw in your logic and thinking.

Again, two wrongs don't make a right. Ever.

To demonize the demons is easy.  To teach/educate others... now that's hard.  And more the kind of person I admire and would support.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 03:57:01 PM
again, i agree with you that it's easier to demonize a bigot trying to beat you bloody or comatose with a baseball bat than it is to educate him. but sometimes easy is better. and safer. if you think i'm engaging in hyperbole, just go to the corner of 37th outside PS 69 and look up.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 04:05:24 PM
again, i agree with you that it's easier to demonize a bigot trying to beat you bloody or comatose with a baseball bat than it is to educate him. but sometimes easy is better. and safer. if you think i'm engaging in hyperbole, just go to the corner of 37th outside PS 69 and look up.

We are no longer in 1990. 1990 was nearly 30 years ago. In 1990 probably all of New York was kinda dangerous. I am guessing that was the time Jackson Heights was known as the cocaine capital of New York. 

Nowadays, that corner is where the Gay Pride parade passes by.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on March 25, 2019, 04:15:41 PM
Come dssjh, #walkaway. Join us
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 05:21:10 PM
Come dssjh, #walkaway. Join us

nah, i can't wash that much fecal matter from my shoes, little man.

and abc, are you ACTUALLY saying that there's no gay bashing in nyc?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 05:27:08 PM
https://avp.org/avp-learns-of-back-to-back-anti-lgtbq-incidents-in-queens/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/02/nyregion/a-day-out-leaves-two-transgender-women-living-in-fear.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/anti-gay-subway-attack-leaves-nyc-woman-broken-spine-n946131

https://qns.com/story/2018/06/03/bronx-man-convicted-in-murder-of-woodside-resident-da/



again, i agree with you that it's easier to demonize a bigot trying to beat you bloody or comatose with a baseball bat than it is to educate him. but sometimes easy is better. and safer. if you think i'm engaging in hyperbole, just go to the corner of 37th outside PS 69 and look up.

We are no longer in 1990. 1990 was nearly 30 years ago. In 1990 probably all of New York was kinda dangerous. I am guessing that was the time Jackson Heights was known as the cocaine capital of New York. 

Nowadays, that corner is where the Gay Pride parade passes by.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 06:00:54 PM
There is everything bashing in NYC. That is no reason for Gays or anyone to live in fear.

Every young Gay I know is out and proud and no longer angry and fearful... but rather walks with their head held high.
(With the men often in high heels.)

Fear is not a positive lifestyle choice. Anger is not a positive lifestyle choice.

Pride and courage and strength and understanding is the way to go. For all New Yorkers!



Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 06:03:49 PM
you're straight. and white. and male.

walk proud. and free of fear. i am sure you can overcome those challenges.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 06:05:30 PM
We are New Yorkers!

And should act like New Yorkers!

(Also stop guessing. You are not getting it right.)

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 06:09:23 PM
we should indeed act like New Yorkers.

and New Yorkers don't "educate" Nazis and bigots.

New Yorkers have always fought against them, by any means necessary. they have no place in this city or on this earth.

if that's intolerant, color me intolerant. proudly intolerant. waving my Nazi hating pride flag high.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 06:11:43 PM
we should indeed act like New Yorkers.

and New Yorkers don't "educate" Nazis and bigots.

New Yorkers have always fought against them, by any means necessary. they have no place in this city or on this earth.

if that's intolerant, color me intolerant. proudly intolerant. waving my Nazi hating pride flag high.

Also wrong about New Yorkers.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/americans-hold-nazi-rally-in-madison-square-garden


Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 25, 2019, 06:21:43 PM
i know all about that. i believe i've used the same link on this site. unfortunately, too many of those attendees survived.

i've noticed *your* constant flaw. many, many of your posts about the '70s, '80s and '90s start with "i've heard" or "i am guessing" -- when you're talking to someone who was actually there and experiencing. that's not a good way to debate.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 06:26:12 PM
i know all about that. i believe i've used the same link on this site. unfortunately, too many of those attendees survived.

i've noticed *your* constant flaw. many, many of your posts about the '70s, '80s and '90s start with "i've heard" or "i am guessing" -- when you're talking to someone who was actually there and experiencing. that's not a good way to debate.

It's the future that counts. That's the exciting thing. For me.  What's ahead.

Well we didn't kill each other in this interchange. :)  Progress!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on March 25, 2019, 06:44:32 PM
i know all about that. i believe i've used the same link on this site. unfortunately, too many of those attendees survived.

i've noticed *your* constant flaw. many, many of your posts about the '70s, '80s and '90s start with "i've heard" or "i am guessing" -- when you're talking to someone who was actually there and experiencing. that's not a good way to debate.

It's the future that counts.

dssjh: don't feed the Markov-chain non-sequitur text generator. it's pointless.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 11:56:50 PM
i know all about that. i believe i've used the same link on this site. unfortunately, too many of those attendees survived.

i've noticed *your* constant flaw. many, many of your posts about the '70s, '80s and '90s start with "i've heard" or "i am guessing" -- when you're talking to someone who was actually there and experiencing. that's not a good way to debate.

It's the future that counts.

dssjh: don't feed the Markov-chain non-sequitur text generator. it's pointless.

Interesting. Threatened lalochezia? That DSSJH and I are exchanging ideas relatively rationally?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Lilybell on March 26, 2019, 11:07:09 AM
You all sound like a bunch of drama-loving middle-schoolers.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 26, 2019, 11:42:01 AM
You all sound like a bunch of drama-loving middle-schoolers.

Interesting. And yet you were engaged enough to read the exchange and respond. Another drama-loving middle-schooler perhaps? Only one who pretends they are better than others.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Lilybell on March 27, 2019, 08:59:12 AM
It's just a shame that a topic that could have potential is nothing but spiteful bickering. It's always the same people and it's tiresome. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 27, 2019, 09:23:18 AM
It's just a shame that a topic that could have potential is nothing but spiteful bickering. It's always the same people and it's tiresome.

Lilybell, I have discovered that it is possible to exchange ideas on this forum. And as you can see, have been doing so. The way to do it is by NOT INSULTING others. Even if insults are flung. Sticks and Stones etc. So, perhaps you might also refrain from "middle school drama loving" insults. Then you might also be free to exchange your ideas. 

Education is everything. And I now realize that learning how to exchange ideas on a forum is part of a person's education.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on March 27, 2019, 02:22:24 PM
I don't think of JHLife as a debate forum. It's a place to get to know our neighborhood and discuss relevant issues with our neighbors.

We have three people who always must have the last word. That is why they are tiresome. More people should participate, but who wants to when opinions deteriorate into arguments. I prefer to think of ourselves as contributors to discussions, rather than to individually win against or beat down others.

I could go on about self-righteousness, disparaging "wit" and self-aggrandizement, but I know nothing I write will sway anyone b/c the behaviors that some display here are reflections of deeper issues. It's why people keep their doors shut.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 27, 2019, 02:44:09 PM
I don't think of JHLife as a debate forum. It's a place to get to know our neighborhood and discuss relevant issues with our neighbors.

We have three people who always must have the last word. That is why they are tiresome. More people should participate, but who wants to when opinions deteriorate into arguments. I prefer to think of ourselves as contributors to discussions, rather than to individually win against or beat down others.

I could go on about self-righteousness, disparaging "wit" and self-aggrandizement, but I know nothing I write will sway anyone b/c the behaviors that some display here are reflections of deeper issues. It's why people keep their doors shut.

I think what you have written is very useful in trying to understand the dysfunction of this forum. Thank you.

However, I do believe we can learn how to be on this forum in a better way.  So I don't agree that what you write won't sway folks.Don't surprised if it does.  Like me, for instance!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JHResident on March 28, 2019, 12:46:08 AM
Quote

Moderator's  ???: Okay, by popular demand, with this off-topic post, we hereby kick off a new experimental thread in miscellaneous political commentary.  Feel free to express your political gripes here.   But the rules of the board still apply.  Keep a lid on hate speech and ad hominem attacks.  If things get out of hand, we're going to shut it down.]
Here's a suggestion. Why not just delete any posts with hate speech or ad hominem attacks? Might help the offenders to learn how to post respectfully.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 28, 2019, 08:56:56 AM
Quote

Moderator's  ???: Okay, by popular demand, with this off-topic post, we hereby kick off a new experimental thread in miscellaneous political commentary.  Feel free to express your political gripes here.   But the rules of the board still apply.  Keep a lid on hate speech and ad hominem attacks.  If things get out of hand, we're going to shut it down.]
Here's a suggestion. Why not just delete any posts with hate speech or ad hominem attacks? Might help the offenders to learn how to post respectfully.

I think this is a good idea. And will improve the culture of this forum. And perhaps allow a greater variety of posters to feel safe to post.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on March 28, 2019, 09:25:36 AM
 Let’s go back to my original commentary of the day. I want to thank Mueller for the job that he did over the past two years and at a cost of $30 million to say that there was no collusion. So let’s talk about who you all want to run the country in 2020, since the President won’t be in jail or impeached for “treason”.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on March 28, 2019, 09:31:48 AM
my answer to your main question is "any democrat aside from Joe Manchin or Tulsi Gabbard."

but we still don't know what the Mueller report says. and, if the GOP has its way, we never will. because, apparently, Mitch McConnell doesn't want us to see the total innocence of the current administration.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on March 28, 2019, 01:23:37 PM
People seem to think the recent flooding in the plains states was caused by climate change. So I thought I'd share this well documented point of view on past floods.

https://realclimatescience.com/2019/03/new-video-the-great-flood-myth/

Whether you're a believer, skeptic, or denier of AGW/CC, we should all be armed with facts.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on March 28, 2019, 03:22:03 PM
Jeanette

The website realclimatescience is a cesspool of lies. it is created solely to spread FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) about science that is settled. There is no controversy amongst people who actually study CC that it is real happening and manmade - and that it is an existential crisis for mankind. Any simplified headlines about floods don't take away from this fact.

realclimatescience is founded by tony heller aka steven goddard, who is a paid for "expert"....by amongst other people, the heartland institute (part of a network of think tanks whose basic job it is to make fossil fuel investments  safe for investors for a few more decades, at all our expenses....literally selling our children's future!).

Except "tony" is not a climate scientist.....he is a retired software developer. He's not much of a scientist at all if you actually read his posts.

https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/

-----

People that promote this shit are literally dooming our earth. If you care about your kids and grandkids having a functional civilization and not dying in their millions due to flooded cities, low agricultural yields and countless other disasters....... rather than regurgitating  propaganda from people who want to make money from oil companies before it all goes belly up..... use reputable sources.

Answers to all your "but what about the controversy" are here:


https://grist.org/series/skeptics/
 
Any point "tony" can or has brung has been debunked above.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on April 18, 2019, 11:43:56 AM
I’m pretty sure my post will be censored by this group, but my political comment of the day is let’s see where the Democrats are leading  New York now. Especially now that the collusion delusion is over, and 80% of Democrats in my neighborhood have been duped by the fake news for the past two years. And to the two commenters who bashed me on this board for being in the 20% minority, I can only say that the majority doesn’t make it right.  It is sad that I would not feel safe in my own neighborhood of 30 years to wear a MAGA for fear of intising violence.  The hatred of Trump in the city is palatable.  No collusion, no obstruction. Get over it. You’ve all been blinded and fooled by CNN, and Maddox. May I suggest you watch  Hannity on Fox News, and perhaps enlighten yourselves a bit, ( it was Obama’s policy to put illegals in cages). My prediction for Donald Trump is he wins 2020 in a landslide, and  will go down in history as one of the greatest presidents. Let’s see what’s next, his taxes LOL
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on April 18, 2019, 12:13:11 PM
I’m pretty sure my post will be censored by this group .....
RANDOM FASCIST WHINING AND TROLLING

triggered much?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on April 18, 2019, 12:15:36 PM
What is that supposed to mean? I don’t get it
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JH3525 on April 18, 2019, 01:04:42 PM
Jhx, like everyone else you're entitled to your political views which I completely agree with.  You mentioned that you were in the 20% of the Jackson Heights community who share your views which surprised me since I've always thought it was more like 5%.   Thank you for posting. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 18, 2019, 02:00:59 PM
I’m pretty sure my post will be censored by this group, but my political comment of the day is let’s see where the Democrats are leading  New York now. Especially now that the collusion delusion is over, and 80% of Democrats in my neighborhood have been duped by the fake news for the past two years. And to the two commenters who bashed me on this board for being in the 20% minority, I can only say that the majority doesn’t make it right.  It is sad that I would not feel safe in my own neighborhood of 30 years to wear a MAGA for fear of intising violence.  The hatred of Trump in the city is palatable.  No collusion, no obstruction. Get over it. You’ve all been blinded and fooled by CNN, and Maddox. May I suggest you watch  Hannity on Fox News, and perhaps enlighten yourselves a bit, ( it was Obama’s policy to put illegals in cages). My prediction for Donald Trump is he wins 2020 in a landslide, and  will go down in history as one of the greatest presidents. Let’s see what’s next, his taxes LOL


maybe you should learn to read.
10 instances of possible obstruction:
https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-mueller-report-10-instances-obstruction-of-justice-press-conference-2019-4

your trolling skills are C-minus at best. try again, little fella. and learn to spell the names of people you're trying to insult.


Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on April 18, 2019, 02:14:37 PM
I'm posting a link to AOC's YouTube video drawing of the GND. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9uTH0iprVQ&feature=youtu.be

I'm going to be fair to both sides.

First, I ask you to share it on all platforms. It is something that we should all be aware of.

THEN read the YT comments. Here's hoping you kept your doctor cuz they are side splitting, laff yer ass off funny!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on April 18, 2019, 02:36:41 PM
I’m pretty sure my post will be censored by this group, but my political comment of the day is let’s see where the Democrats are leading  New York now. Especially now that the collusion delusion is over, and 80% of Democrats in my neighborhood have been duped by the fake news for the past two years. And to the two commenters who bashed me on this board for being in the 20% minority, I can only say that the majority doesn’t make it right.  It is sad that I would not feel safe in my own neighborhood of 30 years to wear a MAGA for fear of intising violence.  The hatred of Trump in the city is palatable.  No collusion, no obstruction. Get over it. You’ve all been blinded and fooled by CNN, and Maddox. May I suggest you watch  Hannity on Fox News, and perhaps enlighten yourselves a bit, ( it was Obama’s policy to put illegals in cages). My prediction for Donald Trump is he wins 2020 in a landslide, and  will go down in history as one of the greatest presidents. Let’s see what’s next, his taxes LOL


maybe you should learn to read.
10 instances of possible obstruction:
https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-mueller-report-10-instances-obstruction-of-justice-press-conference-2019-4

your trolling skills are C-minus at best. try again, little fella. and learn to spell the names of people you're trying to insult.


Why the "little fella". are you unable to disagree without being a jerk? Seriously, whats your deal?

Cool if we call you "big fat chick"? Fried Chicken fatty?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Shelby2 on April 18, 2019, 03:05:39 PM
Reminder of a few of rules of this board:

We're not strangers. Given the nature of this online community having real world connections to a real community (Jackson Heights and nearby neighborhoods) it's important to keep in mind that what happens here is not limited to the void of the internet. What you say, and how you behave here has an impact on (and will be read by) your neighbors. Please treat others with the same respect you would like to receive in return. This isn't just a random internet site with people you'll never meet.

Do not troll: Trolling is when you just provoke people to make them upset by making it personal, calling them names, or posting offensive images or text to upset them. Your ideas are welcome, your personally-directed insults are not.

No name calling: Don't call people names.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 18, 2019, 04:09:03 PM
sorry about the alleged insult. "LOL."

as far as my "fat" cred, i weigh 145, so i have some work to do, but i'll try.



I’m pretty sure my post will be censored by this group, but my political comment of the day is let’s see where the Democrats are leading  New York now. Especially now that the collusion delusion is over, and 80% of Democrats in my neighborhood have been duped by the fake news for the past two years. And to the two commenters who bashed me on this board for being in the 20% minority, I can only say that the majority doesn’t make it right.  It is sad that I would not feel safe in my own neighborhood of 30 years to wear a MAGA for fear of intising violence.  The hatred of Trump in the city is palatable.  No collusion, no obstruction. Get over it. You’ve all been blinded and fooled by CNN, and Maddox. May I suggest you watch  Hannity on Fox News, and perhaps enlighten yourselves a bit, ( it was Obama’s policy to put illegals in cages). My prediction for Donald Trump is he wins 2020 in a landslide, and  will go down in history as one of the greatest presidents. Let’s see what’s next, his taxes LOL


maybe you should learn to read.
10 instances of possible obstruction:
https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-mueller-report-10-instances-obstruction-of-justice-press-conference-2019-4

your trolling skills are C-minus at best. try again, little fella. and learn to spell the names of people you're trying to insult.


Why the "little fella". are you unable to disagree without being a jerk? Seriously, whats your deal?

Cool if we call you "big fat chick"? Fried Chicken fatty?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on April 18, 2019, 05:10:13 PM
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JH3525 on April 18, 2019, 06:34:55 PM
Lalochezia:  The majority of American voters support President Trump and we are convinced he will be reelected in 2020 by a large majority. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on April 18, 2019, 06:59:06 PM
Average over dozens of polls, not foxnews bs

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 18, 2019, 07:52:02 PM
Lalochezia:  The majority of American voters support President Trump and we are convinced he will be reelected in 2020 by a large majority.

you're hilarious, big, strong fella.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on April 19, 2019, 08:28:55 AM
The Nixon Interviews. 1977

David Frost (a British interviewer) asked Nixon about the legality of the president's actions. In the context of American national security, Nixon replied: "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on April 19, 2019, 09:16:57 AM
Happy to hear that the president did not commit treason.  Interested to know how this investigation was started as the dossier was fake and unverified.  Time for the declassification of FOIA. I'm thinking the arrest of Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Page, and Strozyk for the unmasking of and spying on private citizens.  Andrew Mc Cabe is already facing a grand jury.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 09:42:52 AM
Happy to hear that the president did not commit treason.  Interested to know how this investigation was started as the dossier was fake and unverified.  Time for the declassification of FOIA. I'm thinking the arrest of Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Page, and Strozyk for the unmasking of and spying on private citizens.  Andrew Mc Cabe is already facing a grand jury.

Always jail your enemies: Step seven in establishing a dictatorship. Dear Leader will reward you for your loyalty one day.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on April 19, 2019, 10:03:41 AM
Look who's calling the kettle black. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 02:04:36 PM
sorry if i triggered you.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on April 19, 2019, 02:19:57 PM
Happy to hear that the president did not commit treason.
No kidding... you'd think that if people were being genuine that "relief" would be the overwhelming response across the political world.  But given the reactions it's plain that noone ever actually cared about Russiagate, it's all just about "Resisting".  Two years wasted on this junk... and it looks like everyone is gearing up to waste the next two as well.  It's all so short sighted and miserable.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 02:21:01 PM
read the report. no exoneration. nobody cleared. WITCH NAILED!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on April 19, 2019, 02:46:23 PM
Like I said... here's to wasting the next two years.  ::)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 03:53:43 PM
some of us respect the law. some of us follow your path. some people actually believe Kim Jung Un is a wonderful leader.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on April 19, 2019, 04:53:07 PM
I don't know what you think my path is, but I'm not following your path down hyperbole lane.  ???
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 05:10:24 PM
no exoneration. nobody cleared of guilt. nothing settled.

and the Mueller report netted a profit of over $20 million.

a win-win.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on April 19, 2019, 05:44:22 PM
That certainly sounds like a lot of nothing.
You guys are going to impeach Trump right into a second term.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 06:18:55 PM
you're the one who used the "i" word.

projection.
shows fear.

a Republican senate wouldn't remove him from office if he killed a baby during a rally. just let the courts do their thing. no need for a meaningless impeachment tapdance like the one that did nothing to Bill Clinton.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on April 19, 2019, 06:34:18 PM
I was simply deferring to the words used by our illustrious congressional representative, who you have such admiration for.  But I'm glad to see that you agree that she is absolutely wasting her first and likely only term in Congress trying to impeach Trump out of office.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 06:55:05 PM
the world is passing you by.

make sure to wave.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on April 19, 2019, 07:10:40 PM
BuhBye!  8)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on April 19, 2019, 09:19:10 PM
It is not Mueller's job to "exonerate" anyone. That wasn't his job at all. He's wrote  the report for the Attorney General. The fact he uses such language in the report demonstrates political bias. His job was to find out if there is any evidence to prosecute.  There was none.  Otherwise he would have prosecuted.  It's was a big nothing burger!  He has no power or jurisdiction to exonerate.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 19, 2019, 10:25:42 PM
cultists are always disappointed in the end.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on April 20, 2019, 04:49:00 AM


In a Functional Country, We Would Be on the Road to Impeachment
Mueller laid out the evidence for members of Congress to take action against President Trump. Will they?

By Michelle Goldberg


In 2017, a brilliant visual effects expert created a video montage called “It’s Mueller Time! Trump Administration Season Ending.” Set to the crooning of the 1963 song “From Russia With Love,” it shows F.B.I. agents rounding up the central figures who brought us Donald Trump’s presidency, culminating in Trump himself being led away with his hands behind his back.

I’ll admit to having watched this over and over again; it’s one of the most satisfying bits of wish fulfillment I’ve ever seen. Wish fulfillment is all it was, though. It’s a national disgrace that Trump sleeps in the White House instead of a federal prison cell, but it has been a while since I had any expectation that the special counsel Robert Mueller’s findings, many of which were finally released to the public on Thursday, could set things right. Instead, I’d desperately hoped for something more modest: clarity. A rough public consensus on what happened in the 2016 election and its aftermath, akin to the Warren Commission report on the assassination of President John Kennedy, or the 9/11 Commission Report. A set of facts that serious people could agree on, leaving conspiracy theories at least somewhat marginalized.

There are a lot of reasons Trump’s election remains a festering wound. It was a horrifying shock to many of us and, given his decisive loss in the popular vote, an insult to democracy. But there was also so much destabilizing weirdness surrounding it. Trump’s relationship with President Vladimir Putin of Russia has long been suspect; as Kevin McCarthy, the California Republican who was the House majority leader at the time, told colleagues in a secretly recorded 2016 conversation, “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump.” (He was speaking of Dana Rohrabacher, the slavishly pro-Putin former Republican congressman.)

Several weeks before Trump was inaugurated, America’s intelligence agencies reported that Russia had engaged in cyberoperations to help him win. In the months that followed, there was one staggering revelation after another about secret conversations between Trump’s circle and various figures linked to Russian intelligence.

At the same time, the new administration unleashed on the public a degrading cacophony of lies, of the sort many of us associate with authoritarian countries like Russia. The day after the new president was sworn in, Sean Spicer, Trump’s first press secretary, stood in the White House briefing room and insisted that the inauguration crowd had been unprecedented in size. This was terrifying, despite the petty stupidity of the untruth, because Americans were not yet used to being told to believe government diktats over the clear evidence of their senses.

This quickly became our new normal. Once Republicans realized the power they could amass by collaborating in Trumpian mendacity, most of them gleefully abandoned any sense of epistemological solidarity with their fellow Americans. There’s a reason “gaslighting” has become one of the most overused terms of the Trump era. And perhaps the biggest lie of all was that Mueller’s investigation, rather than the events that precipitated it, was the real scandal, an attempt to frame Trump rather than an effort to get to the bottom of an assault on our democracy.

It was probably naïve to think that Mueller could cut through such a thick web of falsity. But if anyone could have, it would have been him, the embodiment of a set of old-fashioned virtues that still ostensibly command bipartisan respect. Over the months of the investigation, he came to represent for many an ideal of manliness that rebuked Trump’s insecure machismo. He was a war hero, Trump was a shirker. He was a public servant, Trump a venal con man. He was honest, Trump a liar. America doesn’t have a Walter Cronkite anymore, a person whose word is trusted implicitly across the political spectrum. Mueller was as close as we were going to get.

He and his team have now given us the clearest picture yet of the murky events surrounding Trump’s ascension. “The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion,” they wrote. The Trump campaign welcomed this interference, but, we now know, did not assist in it. “Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Once in office, Trump sought to thwart the investigation into what Russia had done. He believed — correctly, as it happens — that Russia’s actions cast doubt on the legitimacy of his victory. The report says he may also have feared that what appears to be his advance notice of the WikiLeaks dumps of hacked Democratic emails and his campaign’s now infamous Trump Tower meeting with Russian emissaries offering dirt on Hillary Clinton “could be seen as criminal activity by the President, his campaign, or his family.” Further, although “the President publicly stated during and after the election that he had no connection to Russia,” his company was negotiating to build a Trump Tower Moscow throughout most of the campaign, a fact that could have hurt him politically if it got out.

Numerous commentators have said that the report reads like a road map for impeachment, and in a remotely functional country that’s what it would be. Mueller makes it clear that because of the Office of Legal Counsel’s opinion that a sitting president cannot be indicted, “we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes.” Instead, the evidence is laid out for congressional action, or even for prosecutors to indict after Trump leaves office.

The test for us now is how much evidence still matters. Before the report came out, William Barr, Trump’s attorney general, created a fog of disinformation around it, blatantly misleading the public about what it contained.

Weeks before anyone else could read the report, he tried to close the door on obstruction, implying falsely that Mueller meant to leave the decision to him. In a news conference on Thursday, Barr repeatedly said that Mueller had found no “collusion” between the Trump campaign and Russia. Mueller, however, never examined the case through the lens of “collusion,” which isn’t a term in criminal law: “In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of ‘collusion,’” the report says. Barr claimed that “evidence of non-corrupt motives weighs heavily against any allegation that the President had a corrupt intent to obstruct the investigation.” The report is overstuffed with evidence of corrupt motives.

But most people aren’t going to read the nearly 500-page report. Republicans have already seized on Barr’s words — and on the lack of criminal charges in a document that was never going to contain criminal charges — to claim total vindication for Trump. The president’s manifest disloyalty to the country in trying to halt an investigation into a foreign attack on an American election is, to the right, of no account. Nor are the counterintelligence implications of Mueller’s findings, which aren’t part of the report. In the eyes of the president’s supporters, his campaign did not participate in the criminal conspiracy that helped elect him, so no more needs to be said.

The reaction to the report shows that between the minority of Americans who support Trump and the majority who do not, there may no longer be even the possibility of a shared sense of reality or national purpose. Even as exemplary a figure as Mueller cannot change that.

Compounding the problem, Republicans are willing to act unilaterally on their perception of reality, but Democrats are not. As Hannah Arendt wrote in 1951, “Totalitarianism will not be satisfied to assert, in the face of contrary facts, that unemployment does not exist; it will abolish unemployment benefits as part of its propaganda.” The same logic underlies Republican threats to actualize fantasies about an attempted deep-state coup by opening an investigation into the Mueller investigation’s origins.

Most Democrats, conversely, have facts on their side, but not conviction. They are reluctant to begin an impeachment inquiry into Trump because majorities, in polls, don’t support it, and there is no Republican buy-in. Whether or not this is politically wise, failing to impeach would be a grave abdication. If you want people to believe that the misdeeds enumerated in the Mueller report are serious, you have to act like it. To not even try to impeach Trump is to collaborate in the Trumpian fiction that he has done nothing impeachable.

On Friday, Senator Elizabeth Warren took the lead among Democratic presidential candidates in calling for impeachment proceedings to begin. Others should follow her. Mueller has given us the truth of what Trump has done, and in that sense the hokey faith the Resistance put in him was not misplaced. But right now only a political fight can make that truth matter.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on April 23, 2019, 02:11:59 PM
cultists are always disappointed in the end.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on April 23, 2019, 02:12:39 PM
sorry if i triggered you.


You'd think someone against Gun culture would have a more nuanced word.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on April 23, 2019, 02:14:17 PM
Happy to hear that the president did not commit treason.  Interested to know how this investigation was started as the dossier was fake and unverified.  Time for the declassification of FOIA. I'm thinking the arrest of Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Page, and Strozyk for the unmasking of and spying on private citizens.  Andrew Mc Cabe is already facing a grand jury.

Always jail your enemies: Step seven in establishing a dictatorship. Dear Leader will reward you for your loyalty one day.


"The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself." Saul Alinsky
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on April 24, 2019, 01:34:21 AM
In a functional country we would have never had a presidential election that included either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.  The next one is looking like it's going to be a clown parade.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on April 24, 2019, 09:19:44 AM
In a functional country we would have never had a presidential election that included either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.  The next one is looking like it's going to be a clown parade.

Deja for President
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on April 25, 2019, 11:22:03 AM
Quote
His job was to find out if there is any evidence to prosecute.  There was none.  Otherwise he would have prosecuted.  It's was a big nothing burger!

No, you should try reading the report, or at least digging in to the reporting of credible news organizations (which the report also confirms were in fact reporting real news, not fake news).

Mueller outlined his reasoning for not coming to a conclusion on whether or not Trump committed obstruction of justice and therefore laid out all the instances of possible obstruction of justice: the DOJ guidelines are that a sitting President cannot be indicted, so therefore it was pointless for him to come to a conclusion of whether or not Trump committed obstruction of justice.

Mueller very much laid this at the feet of the public and Congress to figure out what to do. It's only a year and a half until the next Presidential election. The House -- controlled by Democrats -- can potentially draw this out with hearings and testimony (figuring out whether or not to vote for impeachment) well in to the 2020 campaign cycle.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: stevn on April 25, 2019, 12:07:10 PM
Happy to hear that the president did not commit treason.  Interested to know how this investigation was started as the dossier was fake and unverified.  Time for the declassification of FOIA. I'm thinking the arrest of Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Page, and Strozyk for the unmasking of and spying on private citizens.  Andrew Mc Cabe is already facing a grand jury.

You should probably change the channel on your tee-vee.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on April 25, 2019, 12:18:03 PM
...And you should probably turn yours off.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on April 26, 2019, 03:19:25 PM
Let me be the first on this site to wish our First Lady a Happy Birthday
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 26, 2019, 05:42:06 PM
you were more heartfelt than her roommate.....

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1121771416305700864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1121771416305700864&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.elle.com%2Fculture%2Fcareer-politics%2Fa27286966%2Fmelania-trump-birthday-tweet-white-house%2F
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on April 27, 2019, 11:45:55 AM
Of course you didn’t show the whole story. As usual, that pic is Fake News, and your spreading it. So sad..
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 27, 2019, 12:05:42 PM
are you saying the OFFICIAL white house twitter feed is fake?

finally, we agree on something.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on April 27, 2019, 12:10:44 PM
No, I’m saying you spread fake news. Why was she sitting alone?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on April 27, 2019, 12:12:08 PM
 Should I quote your other fake news comments?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 27, 2019, 12:15:43 PM
No, I’m saying you spread fake news. Why was she sitting alone?

the same reason she does everything else alone.

and why didn't the OFFICIAL white house statement show her and her roommate together?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on April 27, 2019, 12:16:23 PM
Should I quote your other fake news comments?

please do -- it's kind of flattering to have an obsessive stalker like you.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on May 04, 2019, 12:47:51 AM
My political comment of the day would be, WOW. Lots of truth finally coming out. Are people still going to conclude his guilt on colluding with the Russians, that is what this was all about,  wasn’t it? Or perhaps obstructing from a innocent man?  Anyway, his success cannot be denied, although people will try. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JH3525 on May 04, 2019, 06:44:49 AM
jhx:  Yes, his success can not be denied.  Since President Trump was elected President the DOW has increased 44.8% and the NASDAQ 56.9%.  Unemployment is currently at 3.6% the lowest since 1969 and we have an incredibly strong economy.  Thank You Mr. President. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 04, 2019, 12:20:25 PM
jhx:  Yes, his success can not be denied.  Since President Trump was elected President the DOW has increased 44.8% and the NASDAQ 56.9%.  Unemployment is currently at 3.6% the lowest since 1969 and we have an incredibly strong economy.  Thank You Mr. President.

the DOW was 7,550 when President Obama took office. It was over 19,000 when he left office. that's over 200%. Donald deserves the silver medal he's earned.

and Trump the candidate said -- dozens and dozens of times -- that all government employment figures are fake. we can't believe the rates the government claims. in 2016, unemployment was "27, maybe even 29 percent," according to Trump the candidate. so, now, it's 24 percent at best.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on May 04, 2019, 02:07:31 PM
  My political commentary of the day is this.  Let’s also not forget that the Obama administration added $7 trillion to our debt, that was a record. He also ignoreed the dying vets waiting for medical care. And the threats from Russia and ISIS? Completely ignored. He also abandoned  Israel, our biggest ally in the Middle East.  He also ignored the constitution by issuing executive actions on immigration. Let’s not forget he forced government controlled healthcare on Americans.  Also not to mention all the burdens and regulations that hurt job creators and prevented economic growth.  How easily people forget how bad it was.   President Trump, you keep waving your magic wand and doing what you’re doing for the next six years, while the screws tighten on the colllisionist dillusionist.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 04, 2019, 03:04:14 PM
i have to smile broadly knowing that you wake up every morning knowing you're represented by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on May 04, 2019, 07:23:24 PM
^^That's not political commentary. It's revisionism (and inaccurate or outright false)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petegart on May 04, 2019, 08:34:30 PM

Mostly provided by TIM DICKINSON

HIGHER TAXES
Hikes for workers

The $1.5 trillion GOP tax bill gives permanent cuts to corporations and millionaires. But the tax cuts for workers expire after just a few years. By 2027, 83 percent of tax benefits accrue to the top one percent, while Americans earning less than $75,000 – 86 million households in all – will face tax hikes.
Breaks for robots

Trump billed his tax plan as a boon to workers: “Our plan can be simplified in three simple words: jobs, jobs, jobs.” But the new law offers a deep tax cut for capital investments, creating a perverse incentive to replace workers with robots. If previously the cost of employing five people or investing in automation might have been equal, the tax break tips the economic scales to robots – and leaves workers holding pink slips.
Jobs sent overseas

The Trump law taxes profits from American subsidiaries abroad at just 10.5 percent – half the rate for domestic corporate profits. That creates a powerful incentive to offshore factories and jobs.
LOWER WAGES
Overtime denied

In 1975, 62 percent of salaried workers got mandatory overtime; today it’s just seven percent. A fast-food assistant manager making just $24,000 can be denied overtime pay. An Obama-era rule would have required overtime for anyone earning less than $48,000, boosting take-home pay for more than 4 million working-class Americans. But the rule’s 2016 implementation was blocked by a lawsuit. The Trump administration has refused to defend it in court.
Contract employees

Trump ended Labor Department guidance that prevented many big corporations from classifying employees as “independent contractors.” The shift in status from employee to contractor will leave many workers without benefits – including unemployment insurance – and saddle them with self-employment taxes.
COSTLY LIVING
High housing costs

In his first act as president, Trump blocked a rate cut on the federal insurance required for many mortgages. The move cost nearly 1 million American homeowners an average of $500 in 2017 alone.
Slashed deductions

The Trump tax bill limits the deductibility of state property and income taxes to $10,000. In high-tax states like New Jersey, the yearly property-tax bill for a modest $400,000 home can easily top $10,000. That means middle-class workers will be subject to double taxation – long a Republican taboo – paying federal taxes on the money they used to pay off their state tax burden.
FINANCIAL EXPLOITATION
High investor fees

Trump has blocked the “fiduciary rule” that would require many advisers to work in the financial interests of their clients, rather than maximize their own earnings through fees or juicy commissions. The rule would save mom-and-pop investors $17 billion a year.
Gutting consumers

Trump’s budget director, Mick Mulvaney, now helms the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the watchdog agency conceived by now-Sen. Elizabeth Warren. Mulvaney is a fierce critic of CFPB, which he’s called a “sick, sad” joke, and he wasted no time in flipping CFPB’s mission statement, seeking now to identify and address “outdated, unnecessary, or unduly burdensome regulations” on business. In his short tenure, Mulvaney has blocked a crackdown on payday lenders and stalled CFPB’s probe of the massive data breach at Equifax.
No class action

Trump signed legislation to overturn a ban on “forced arbitration.” This is a boon to bad financial actors like Wells Fargo, the bank that fraudulently opened accounts for thousands of its customers. Individuals seeking justice can now be forced into arbitration hearings, alone, against a giant corporation, and halted from banding together with others to sue in a class-action lawsuit.
Tax cuts for the rich

Trump’s tax reform was supposed to ensure that “no corporation or individual, no matter how wealthy, is given an unfair advantage.” And he vowed to do away with the carried-interest loophole – a tax break for the wealthiest investors – insisting, “The hedge-fund guys are getting away with murder.” But Trump’s tax reform left the lucrative investor loophole untouched. The new law also created or expanded loopholes that will benefit the Trump family – including breaks for private-jet owners, real estate investors and heirs of the nation’s richest estates.
NO HEALTH CARE
Lost benefits

The Trump tax bill ended the individual mandate to obtain health insurance under Obamacare. The mandate had spurred millions into plans that were highly subsidized – or free. Many lower-income working Americans, for example, do not realize they qualify for Medicaid. Without the push of the mandate, a projected 5 million Americans will drop off the Medicaid rolls, forgoing $179 billion in benefits. The tax bill will lead to 13 million Americans in all losing coverage.
Spiking premiums

Ending the insurance mandate will lead fewer young, healthy Americans to enroll, leaving an older, sicker population in the Obamacare markets. This will drive a spike in premiums, according to the Congressional Budget Office. A separate Trump move – blocking reimbursements to insurers for mandated cost controls – has already caused the price of “silver”-tier plans to jump as much as 38 percent.

DIPLOMA DEBT
Loan repayment

Under Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, the administration has rolled back protections for students swindled by for-profit colleges. An Obama-era rule let student borrowers defrauded by for-profit colleges cancel their student-loan debt. DeVos is keeping the burden of proof on students to show that the college harmed them. She’s also moved to scratch an Obama-era regulation that forced for-profit colleges to demonstrate employment success for graduates or lose eligibility to accept federal loan dollars.
OPIOID CRISIS
Little done on drugs

Trump made the deadly opioid scourge a focal point of his campaign, vowing to “dramatically expand access to treatment.” As president, Trump declared a national emergency on opioids – but made no moves on treatment, while placing an unqualified 24-year-old at a top post in the drug czar’s office. Trump championed GOP efforts to end the expansion of Medicaid, which funds addiction treatment for thousands. (It took more than a year, and the work of Democrats in the Senate, to appropriate $6 billion for the opioid fight.)
BURNING JOBS
Kneecapping solar

In his first major trade offensive, Trump imposed a 30 percent import tax on solar panels. While doing little to ensure a future for U.S. solar-panel factories, the tax is projected to destroy 23,000 well-paid jobs among solar installers and the manufacturers of equipment needed to mount solar arrays and plug them into the grid.
Cruel cuts

In his latest budget, Trump eliminates a rural-economic-development program, and cuts hundreds of millions of dollars from job retraining and programs for laid-off factory workers.
DANGEROUS WORKPLACES
Lax contracts

Trump rolled back Obama’s “Fair Pay and Safe Workplaces” executive order. It had forced businesses seeking government work to disclose compliance with federal workplace-protection laws before getting a government contract.
Unsafe conditions

The Trump administration has repeatedly favored corporate profits over human health. For the coal industry, the administration moved to weaken coal-dust standards, ended a rule to prevent mining waste from being dumped in streams and halted a study on the health impacts of mountaintop-removal mining. For Big Oil, Trump rolled back deep-water drilling protections designed to prevent another explosion like the one that killed and injured dozens on the Deepwater Horizon rig, and threatened to open drilling in coastal waters from California to Maine. ■
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Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 04, 2019, 08:50:01 PM
i'm just happy that the "base" will be losing healthcare and having their benefits cut. elections have consequences.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on May 08, 2019, 08:47:56 AM
i'm just happy that the "base" will be losing healthcare and having their benefits cut. elections have consequences.

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

"Newly obtained tax information reveals that from 1985 to 1994, Donald J. Trump’s businesses were in far bleaker condition than was previously known."


By the time his master-of-the-universe memoir “Trump: The Art of the Deal” hit bookstores in 1987, Donald J. Trump was already in deep financial distress, losing tens of millions of dollars on troubled business deals, according to previously unrevealed figures from his federal income tax returns.

Mr. Trump was propelled to the presidency, in part, by a self-spun narrative of business success and of setbacks triumphantly overcome. He has attributed his first run of reversals and bankruptcies to the recession that took hold in 1990. But 10 years of tax information obtained by The New York Times paints a different, and far bleaker, picture of his deal-making abilities and financial condition.

The data — printouts from Mr. Trump’s official Internal Revenue Service tax transcripts, with the figures from his federal tax form, the 1040, for the years 1985 to 1994 — represents the fullest and most detailed look to date at the president’s taxes, information he has kept from public view. Though the information does not cover the tax years at the center of an escalating battle between the Trump administration and Congress, it traces the most tumultuous chapter in a long business career — an era of fevered acquisition and spectacular collapse.

The numbers show that in 1985, Mr. Trump reported losses of $46.1 million from his core businesses — largely casinos, hotels and retail space in apartment buildings. They continued to lose money every year, totaling $1.17 billion in losses for the decade.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 08, 2019, 09:55:53 AM
i'll give him credit for "promises made, promises kept," since he is actually running the country the way he ran those businesses -- as promised. :)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 08, 2019, 11:17:29 AM
Besides the variations on the one theme where Democrats trash Trump and Republicans praise him...

Since Biden is the #1 Democrat front-runner for 2020, in this battle of the oldies, Biden vs Trump, can Biden win?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JH3525 on May 08, 2019, 11:46:43 AM
If the economy continues to remain strong throughout 2019 & 2020 along with low unemployment and a strong stock market with the DOW well above 26,000 and the NASDAQ well above 8,000 the election would certainly be in favor of President Trump. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Paul11372 on May 08, 2019, 11:56:05 AM
Besides the variations on the one theme where Democrats trash Trump and Republicans praise him...

Since Biden is the #1 Democrat front-runner for 2020, in this battle of the oldies, Biden vs Trump, can Biden win?

He's relative strength nationally, assuming he makes it through the DNC Primary, is in the key states that were differentiators for trump that Obama carried very well. OH, PA, WI and MI are states where his “lunch bucket” Joe plays well and could pry some voters away from the incumbent.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 08, 2019, 12:29:36 PM
Besides the variations on the one theme where Democrats trash Trump and Republicans praise him...

Since Biden is the #1 Democrat front-runner for 2020, in this battle of the oldies, Biden vs Trump, can Biden win?

He's relative strength nationally, assuming he makes it through the DNC Primary, is in the key states that were differentiators for trump that Obama carried very well. OH, PA, WI and MI are states where his “lunch bucket” Joe plays well and could pry some voters away from the incumbent.

Yes, I see the logic in that.

But is Biden someone you get excited about? A charismatic leader? Trump has proven to be charismatic for his base ( not for others)...whereas Joe Biden is...safe, I suppose.

Can folks get passionate over Biden? The trouble is...Biden doesn't seem to get passionate. He's...safe.  Whereas Trump is all passion.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 08, 2019, 02:19:32 PM
you're correct -- it is hard to get passionate over Biden, who's the current front runner (like Jeb was at this point in 2015). he's not my top choice, nor is the other elderly gent on the D side...

but every post-election analysis of the 2016 race refers to the number of people who voted for Donny because they hated Hillary Clinton with a passion, not because they liked him. i think enough people have that white-hot hatred for this incumbent to make a difference in 2020.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 09, 2019, 08:20:26 AM
I am not convinced that wishful thinking will unseat Trump.

Democrat-leaning folks need someone who can whip up passion (like the Republican-leaning have Trump) to get out and vote.

Yes, Democrats won Congress last mid-term election. But "white-hot hatred" did not win the Senate. Not 100% certain but my research tells me that Nixon lost both the senate and congress...Trump only lost congress.





Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 09, 2019, 09:35:55 AM
you're correct about the Nixon era in terms of numbers. but back then, the GOP was less monolithic and included people like Nelson Rockefeller, who'd be considered a raging leftist by today's Republicans -- and middle of the pack in today's Democratic party. Nixon had GOP opposition because some of them realized he was committing crimes and merited punishment.

as we've been told by the trumpster, he could "shoot a man on fifth avenue and not lose any votes."

and, yes, an inspirational candidate is ideal: there are a couple that hit the mark for me. then again, they may turn off the people who are literally walking on that double yellow line between "progressive" and conservative...it will be an interesting primary season.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 30, 2019, 09:00:03 AM
IMO Mueller operates in a professional and diplomatic old fashioned way where everything he says is in the subtext. His manner requires thought and time to reflect.

The White House, on the other hand, is working in a simplistic, sloganistic "in your face" soundbite way. That doesn't require interpretation.

The White House is getting its message across clearly to most.

Alas, the subtility of Mueller and his case confuses the public. It's as though Mueller is too fearful to say what he really thinks out loud.

The White House is outmaneuvering Mueller to do with this investigation. The brazen approach seems to be what folks understand.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 30, 2019, 11:26:27 AM
i have to agree -- simplistic sloganeering is always more popular than thoughtful discourse. that's why dictatorial strongmen, from the right and from the left, manage to wrest and maintain power so readily.

it's almost silly to counter shouted, monosyllabic lies with reasoned facts, but that seems to be the tack people are taking. it doesn't bode well.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on May 30, 2019, 12:58:25 PM
There's a bunch of these on youtube, I think this one's my favorite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA631bMT9g8
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on June 14, 2019, 12:35:51 AM
 Let me be the first on this site to wish the President of the United States, a very Happy Birthday. May the next six years of his Presidency be even better than the last two, ( if that’s even possible) Happy Birthday Mr. Donald Trump, from the silent minority in Jackson Heights Queens. :)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: stevn on June 14, 2019, 09:16:51 AM
Let me be the first on this site to wish the President of the United States, a very Happy Birthday. May the next six years of his Presidency be even better than the last two, ( if that’s even possible) Happy Birthday Mr. Donald Trump, from the silent minority in Jackson Heights Queens. :)

For a majority, you sure don't vote in the neighborhood. Better register some of your fellow trolls to vote.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Lilybell on June 14, 2019, 09:51:48 AM
Quote
Happy Birthday Mr. Donald Trump, from the silent minority in Jackson Heights Queens. :)

I hope he chokes on his birthday cake
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 14, 2019, 09:55:56 AM
Hey, it's also Boy George's Birthday today. Happy Birthday Boy George.  :)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 14, 2019, 12:23:55 PM
Let me be the first on this site to wish the President of the United States, a very Happy Birthday. May the next six years of his Presidency be even better than the last two, ( if that’s even possible) Happy Birthday Mr. Donald Trump, from the silent minority in Jackson Heights Queens. :)

fake news -- he has no birthday. he simply rose, fully formed, from the depths of Hades.

and happy birthday, Boy George (and Che Guevara, just to further my Marxist image).
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on June 14, 2019, 02:15:09 PM
Too bad that the same people who praise Che don’t meet his end. A physician who murdered thousands of innocent people. What’s next, praising Stalin?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 14, 2019, 06:38:00 PM
i only place the triggers. you pull them.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: r on June 17, 2019, 12:05:21 AM
Death Cab for Cutie played a show in Forest Hills last night and introduced their new anti-gentrification song as:
Quote
"This band is from Seattle. Let me tell you something Queens, you dodged a real fucking bullet. This song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVAOUjXj0XY) is about that..."
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 17, 2019, 11:53:38 AM
Yeh, but maybe Seattle dodged a bullet by not having to live in the future sex industry center.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on June 17, 2019, 03:23:10 PM
I don't know about you, but I don't think Death Cab for Cutie will be my go-to financial and business adviser anytime soon. Apparently someone has never been to LIC. You can't gentrify it more. I literally moved out a decade ago because I couldn't afford it; when AMZN stock was still affordable (damn!).

Without Amazon HQ2 and Bezos' helipad, we'll just have to continue blaming coffee houses and wine bars for our housing prices.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 17, 2019, 03:55:08 PM
Yeh, but maybe Seattle dodged a bullet by not having to live in the future sex industry center.

there's more sex work going on along central park south and on the upper east side than jackson heights could ever dream of. four figures a "date" for the top dogs of hollywood and the political realm.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 17, 2019, 03:59:18 PM
Yeh, but maybe Seattle dodged a bullet by not having to live in the future sex industry center.

there's more sex work going on along central park south and on the upper east side than jackson heights could ever dream of. four figures a "date" for the top dogs of hollywood and the political realm.

Yet again DSSJH. Two wrongs don't make a right.

That fact of logic appears to elude you each and every time.

When I lived overseas near a legal red light district, I had to remove used condoms from the flowerbeds outside, pretty much most mornings. That's my past experience of living near a legal red light district. Let's see.



Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 17, 2019, 04:56:44 PM
you should have rinsed 'em out and sold 'em to the older white clients. they're always looking for a bargain.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 17, 2019, 11:21:45 PM
you should have rinsed 'em out and sold 'em to the older white clients. they're always looking for a bargain.

Will leave that to you and your obvious entrepreneurial spirit.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 03:45:47 PM
There will soon be a boom in taxi drivers. This law will have a tremendous impact in Jackson Heights.


https://nypost.com/2019/06/17/cuomo-signs-bill-granting-drivers-licenses-to-illegal-immigrants/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

you really hate living here.

that makes me happy.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: N00b on June 18, 2019, 06:02:26 PM
There will soon be a boom in taxi drivers. This law will have a tremendous impact in Jackson Heights.


https://nypost.com/2019/06/17/cuomo-signs-bill-granting-drivers-licenses-to-illegal-immigrants/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

you really hate living here.

that makes me happy.


+1
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on June 18, 2019, 06:37:38 PM
My comments are neutral. I just state that there will soon be many more licensed drivers in NYS. There are two sides to the coin. If this is a good or bad idea is really to be determined by others.

SeloChezia objects to your use of the word illegal in your topic title. It's not politically correct. That makes you a bad person. As such you are a criminal.

Anyway, that's the logic as far as I could deduce. But then I'm not the thought police. So I could be wrong. Or not.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on June 18, 2019, 07:21:30 PM
Lol@ LALOCHEZIA, if the United States government, and the president of United States refers to them as illegal immigrants, I’m pretty sure they are correct. Contrary to your delusional beliefs.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on June 18, 2019, 07:26:01 PM
Whenever someone whines about having to be 'Politically Correct' I just swap that out for 'respectful towards others.'
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Also JHX:if you're using the current president of the USA as a benchmark for "correctness in use of language", you're beyond help here......

Since we're on language:
https://www.gq.com/story/us-border-concentration-camps
 How does it feel to support an administration that establishes concentration camps? Are your ancestors proud of you for this?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on June 18, 2019, 07:40:01 PM
I believe it was Obamas policy to put the illegal immigrants in cages, and Ive heard Obama use the words illegal immigrants  plenty of times. So no, I was not talking about the current president.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 18, 2019, 07:52:28 PM
I suppose the major trouble with people is that it is impossible to control them. And even harder to control what people say and think.

Much like with cats.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on June 18, 2019, 07:53:07 PM
https://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2018/may/09/steve-mccraw/illegal-alien-legal-term-federal-law/

I'd like your citation to a reputable source, rather than your "memory" on Obama's use of the term. If he said it, he was wrong to. It's dehumanising no matter who says it.

 No-one has embraced the term, and the establishment of concentration camps, and a panopoly of other racist actions, more than the current administration.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on June 18, 2019, 07:54:57 PM
I suppose the major trouble with people is that it is impossible to control them. And even harder to control what people say and think.

meow
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on June 18, 2019, 07:59:23 PM
Anyone watching the Trump rally in Florida tonight?  We really do have an outstanding President.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 08:34:30 PM
you should have rinsed 'em out and sold 'em to the older white clients. they're always looking for a bargain.

Will leave that to you and your obvious entrepreneurial spirit.

as you've said on numerous occasions, we need to adapt. new york is always changing. and change is good.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 18, 2019, 08:36:08 PM
you should have rinsed 'em out and sold 'em to the older white clients. they're always looking for a bargain.

Will leave that to you and your obvious entrepreneurial spirit.

as you've said on numerous occasions, we need to adapt. new york is always changing. and change is good.

Yes, I wish you luck with your new business.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 08:37:23 PM
Lol@ LALOCHEZIA, if the United States government, and the president of United States refers to them as illegal immigrants, I’m pretty sure they are correct. Contrary to your delusional beliefs.

the president of the United States also talks about grabbing the private parts of women, uses the n-word to refer to African-Americans and says no one should ever talk to federal law enforcement.

in essence, he's John Gotti without the morals. and he will go out the same way. alone, afraid, and in prison.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 08:38:08 PM
thanks. your order is duly noted.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 18, 2019, 08:43:13 PM
thanks. your order is duly noted.

I use an IUD.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on June 18, 2019, 08:51:35 PM
News suppression, not?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on June 18, 2019, 08:53:28 PM
Watch his rally tonight.  #walkaway
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 09:00:20 PM
I don't need to turn on the TV to hear an incontinent old man yell racist claptrap. #JusticeForKatieJohnson
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: sl on June 18, 2019, 10:32:44 PM
There will soon be a boom in taxi drivers. This law will have a tremendous impact in Jackson Heights.


https://nypost.com/2019/06/17/cuomo-signs-bill-granting-drivers-licenses-to-illegal-immigrants/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

you really hate living here.

that makes me happy.

Why?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 18, 2019, 10:42:41 PM
because every time a rabid far-right type gets upset, an angel gets its wings.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on June 20, 2019, 09:44:22 AM
@Lalochezia, you are comparing our southern border to concentration camps? You should visit the Yad Vashem museum in Israel. You can not compare what the Nazis did in concentration camps :(
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on June 20, 2019, 10:02:40 AM
"The debate has been clouded by the conflation of the phenomenon of concentration camps, which predate the Holocaust, and the death camps run by the Nazis"

https://www.jta.org/2019/06/18/united-states/the-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-concentration-camp-debate-explained

Note the source.

PS: I have visited Yad Vashem. Members of my family were killed in the Holocaust.

So don't lecture me on what concentration camps are or are not. The racist dehumanizing poison that ran through the veins of nazis, at the moment, in diluted form, runs through the veins of dehumanizers - and apologists for dehumanizing people TODAY. Our job is to stop it concentrating and turn it back.

"Never again" means for anyone, or it means nothing.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 20, 2019, 10:54:59 AM
Refugee camps might be a more apt term.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 20, 2019, 11:24:23 AM
Refugee camps might be a more apt term.

it does sound more warm and fuzzy, but it's less accurate.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: the80s on June 20, 2019, 01:13:31 PM
Refugee camps might be a more apt term.

Here's what Andrea Pitzer, the author of One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps wrote about that:
"A camp in a country in which the leader openly expresses animosity toward those interned, in which a government detains people and harms them by separating children from their parents or deliberately putting them in danger, is much closer to a concentration camp than a refugee camp."
https://www.gq.com/story/us-border-concentration-camps
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 20, 2019, 01:50:30 PM
The only solution I can envision is an open border with Mexico and South America.
USA citizens can move south as well as the other way round!

Eventually, maybe that'll happen.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: sl on June 20, 2019, 03:04:42 PM
The only solution I can envision is an open border with Mexico and South America.
USA citizens can move south as well as the other way round!

Eventually, maybe that'll happen.

Open borders with Mexico and South America? Are you crazy?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 20, 2019, 03:09:03 PM
The only solution I can envision is an open border with Mexico and South America.
USA citizens can move south as well as the other way round!

Eventually, maybe that'll happen.

perhaps. there was no border patrol until 1924, and it only became an issue when outside influences - in this case, Germany, in the form of the so-called "Zimmerman telegram" -- tried to stir up trouble. people who actually *live* in the border towns have very few issues with  immigrants and guest workers. the rhetoric tends to come from people 1000 or more miles away.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 22, 2019, 01:13:49 PM
Must admit, am relieved that the decision was made not to attack Iran in retaliation.

Interesting. Astonishing, really. And actually, it must be said, a good call.



Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on June 22, 2019, 08:44:35 PM
Don’t you worry a carefully planned attack is coming. They are studying the satellite images first to determine where to attack. We will hit them at our own timeline.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 22, 2019, 10:19:20 PM
Don’t you worry a carefully planned attack is coming. They are studying the satellite images first to determine where to attack. We will hit them at our own timeline.

Thankfully, the President is wiser than his supporters. And he is avoiding conflicts. As opposed to his followers who appear to be making excuses for the President's conflict avoidant behavior.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on June 23, 2019, 10:32:53 PM
Only one real party in this country, the war party.  And so it goes...  ::)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 23, 2019, 10:35:19 PM
Don’t you worry a carefully planned attack is coming. They are studying the satellite images first to determine where to attack. We will hit them at our own timeline.

Thankfully, the President is wiser than his supporters. And he is avoiding conflicts. As opposed to his followers who appear to be making excuses for the President's conflict avoidant behavior.

his boss gave the order. it's all over the news. Putin said "no go" and there was no attack. which is good.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on June 23, 2019, 11:11:01 PM
Then we should all thank Putin for being the only adult in the room with any apparent sense.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: KGDHP on June 25, 2019, 09:36:30 PM
Good luck. If we get Caban elected, which seems likely, it's going to be lawless and these guys will serve no time. The 115 won't be able to do anything. Can't wait for the neighborhood to crumble even further. :(
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 25, 2019, 11:13:09 PM
yeah, it's a hellhole. get out while you can. apartment prices plummeting daily. no new businesses. jackson heights is the new east new york.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 26, 2019, 09:18:55 AM
East New York (which is next to Crown Heights) is gentrifying. And apartment prices/businesses are on the rise.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 26, 2019, 09:52:22 AM
Also it is all very well for childless folks to be blase about these issues. We are more likely to be immune to the allure of drugs. We can afford to be dismissive about it. Selfish, even. But bringing up kids in an environment where drugs are openly sold on the street is not great. Teens, being teens, will want to experiment.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on June 26, 2019, 11:04:26 AM
The whole Democratic Party is behind legalizing drugs. First marijuana then other drugs. Like in the Netherlands. I don’t understand why you are complaining.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 26, 2019, 11:12:13 AM
Then again if it were legalized, at least it wouldn't need to be sold on the streets...
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on June 26, 2019, 11:29:41 AM
The whole Democratic Party is behind legalizing drugs. First marijuana then other drugs. Like in the Netherlands. I don’t understand why you are complaining.

In the Netherlands, Marijuana is decriminalized, not legalized. It is highly tolerated by the law.

There has been a crackdown on pretty much every other type of drug.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 26, 2019, 11:38:22 AM
The whole Democratic Party is behind legalizing drugs. First marijuana then other drugs. Like in the Netherlands. I don’t understand why you are complaining.

America's biggest drug problem is with prescription opioids. legal. deadly. no jail time for pharma CEOs. yet.

and i'm not blase about street dealing. if it's weed, i don't care. if it's harder drugs, i do. i don't care what people put into their bodies, but cokeheads are unpleasant when they need a fix. i've worked in the entertainment industry and seen that first hand.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 26, 2019, 11:45:17 AM
East New York (which is next to Crown Heights) is gentrifying. And apartment prices/businesses are on the rise.

i realize that. been going on ever since the industry pushed the boundaries of "Bushwick" well into ENY. the real estate developers and their partners in city government are arranging it with great aplomb. we're going to need to pour some Battery Park styled landfill to push the displaced poor folks to.

i

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on June 26, 2019, 11:52:19 AM
I'd rather see drugs in general legalized in order to take the crime out of it. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 26, 2019, 12:04:08 PM
The whole Democratic Party is behind legalizing drugs. First marijuana then other drugs. Like in the Netherlands. I don’t understand why you are complaining.

In the Netherlands, Marijuana is decriminalized, not legalized. It is highly tolerated by the law.

There has been a crackdown on pretty much every other type of drug.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands

It's Purim every day there!  :)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on June 26, 2019, 12:17:49 PM
The whole Democratic Party is behind legalizing drugs. First marijuana then other drugs. Like in the Netherlands. I don’t understand why you are complaining.

The dems are not the dems any more. Get with the program there sailor. They are socialists.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 26, 2019, 02:28:48 PM
The whole Democratic Party is behind legalizing drugs. First marijuana then other drugs. Like in the Netherlands. I don’t understand why you are complaining.

The dems are not the dems any more. Get with the program there sailor. They are socialists.

FDR was a socialist. every conservative politician and thinker of the time said it loud and often. and they reminded everyone that commie plans like Social Security, the WPA and the New Deal would destroy America, and America would never recover.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: hfm on June 27, 2019, 12:42:18 AM
The whole Democratic Party is behind legalizing drugs. First marijuana then other drugs. Like in the Netherlands. I don’t understand why you are complaining.

The dems are not the dems any more. Get with the program there sailor. They are socialists.

FDR was a socialist. every conservative politician and thinker of the time said it loud and often. and they reminded everyone that commie plans like Social Security, the WPA and the New Deal would destroy America, and America would never recover.

I'm sure this is the same Social Security that all the old Republicans are more than happy to see flow into their checking accounts every month.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on June 27, 2019, 01:14:26 AM
World War II saved the American economy. We would sell all these arms and ships to Britain. So we looted the treasury of the United Kingdom. This is why after the war Britain was left so poor.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on July 09, 2019, 03:59:06 AM
...the machine behind AOC

The DSA and Socialist International and the Open Society/ies, MoveOn and an endless web of justice NGOs, and countless very wealthy tech, finance and media globalists go way above and beyond what any local machine could ever.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on July 09, 2019, 10:21:20 AM
...the machine behind AOC

The DSA and Socialist International and the Open Society/ies, MoveOn and an endless web of justice NGOs, and countless very wealthy tech, finance and media globalists go way above and beyond what any local machine could ever.

Why don't you just say "JEWS" and get it over with.

Dropping descriptions like "Globalist" and "Open Society" (run by soros, the right-wing's current boogeyman)  are CLASSIC antisemitic dogwhistles.

 BY REPEATING THIS You, jeanette are promulgating antisemitism. and supporting it.

I want to know if the mods on jhlife want to be reported on as a hate site. because this is what allowing this kind of shit is.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on July 09, 2019, 10:23:38 AM
https://forward.com/scribe/412627/yes-ranting-against-globalism-is-anti-semitic/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/24/george-soros-antisemitism-bomb-attacks


I flagged your comment as antisemitic
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on July 09, 2019, 10:36:52 AM
Ranting against globalism / socialism / communism is NOT anti-semitic.  It's a time-honered American tradition.  Stop narc-ing on people just because you don't like what they say.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on July 09, 2019, 10:52:45 AM
https://forward.com/scribe/412627/yes-ranting-against-globalism-is-anti-semitic/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/24/george-soros-antisemitism-bomb-attacks


I flagged your comment as antisemitic

Tactix
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jeffsayyes on July 09, 2019, 11:28:54 AM
Globalism is just pro-immigrant. Jews get kicked out of everywhere they (or we, yes I am one of them) go, so we are always the immigrants - although we are more white than ever before now. People don't generally like interlopers, especially ones that use their brain to get ahead and not war.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 09, 2019, 11:34:29 AM
There are Republican Jews. Democrat Jews. Ultra-Left Jews. Ultra-Right Jews. Rich Jews. And Poor Jews.

Plus, apparently, there are angry dybbuk Jews.

Dybbuk.(definition)

In Jewish mythology, a dybbuk (Yiddish: דיבוק‎, from the Hebrew verb דָּבַק dāḇaq meaning "adhere" or "cling") is a malicious possessing spirit believed to be the dislocated soul of a dead person.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on July 09, 2019, 11:58:48 AM
Globalism is just pro-immigrant. Jews get kicked out of everywhere they (or we, yes I am one of them) go, so we are always the immigrants - although we are more white than ever before now. People don't generally like interlopers, especially ones that use their brain to get ahead and not war.

Is bringing up Jews a way to shut down any talk about AOC?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on July 09, 2019, 12:23:35 PM
This is why we can't have nice things.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on July 09, 2019, 01:30:47 PM
We have some authoritarians here who put words in other people's mouth and then call them bigots, all to shut down ideas they don't personally like.  It's damn pathetic.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 09, 2019, 02:58:16 PM
We have some authoritarians here who put words in other people's mouth and then call them bigots, all to shut down ideas they don't personally like.  It's damn pathetic.

Thankfully, trying to do that will never work.

Because

1. The posters on this board are unwavering.

2. The beauty of democracy. He/she who was voted in. Can also be voted out.





Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on July 11, 2019, 08:08:13 AM
BOOM: Jeffrey Epstein
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 11, 2019, 09:05:43 AM
 You don’t think the Clintons have anything to do with the strange turn of events do you?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 11, 2019, 10:57:32 AM
You don’t think the Clintons have anything to do with the strange turn of events do you?

George, maybe.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: francis on July 11, 2019, 12:24:34 PM
Clinton is a perv.  His denial of ever traveling to Epstein Island sounds much the same as his denial of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. His name appears 26 times on the plane manifest.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 11, 2019, 12:45:46 PM
 I was talking about Hillary,  everybody knows about her husband
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on July 11, 2019, 01:32:18 PM
I would like to make an announcement. abc has officially emerged as JHLife's voice of reason. 

In other news, what the heck is everybody talking about?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on July 11, 2019, 01:35:34 PM
Clinton is a perv.  His denial of ever traveling to Epstein Island sounds much the same as his denial of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. His name appears 26 times on the plane manifest.

"Epstein Island"? the plane, the plane

I didn't know that russian operatives cared about Jackson Heights life.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 14, 2019, 08:37:43 AM
FDR was further left than AOC. his "socialist agenda" was destined to destroy America, said the conservatives of the time.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 14, 2019, 12:35:17 PM
and this morning, Dementia Donny tweeted that AOC should "go back to her own country" to fix problems there. the sundowning started at 8:45 AM today, i guess.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on July 15, 2019, 08:11:05 AM
and this morning, Dementia Donny tweeted that AOC should "go back to her own country" to fix problems there. the sundowning started at 8:45 AM today, i guess.

Poll: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defining Democrats among crucial 2020 swing voters - Axios
23 hours ago


Top Democrats are circulating a poll showing that one of the House's most progressive members — Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez — has become a definitional face for the party with a crucial group of swing voters.

Why it matters: These Democrats are sounding the alarm that swing voters know and dislike socialism, warning it could cost them the House and the presidency. The poll is making the rounds of some of the most influential Democrats in America.

"If all voters hear about is AOC, it could put the [House] majority at risk," said a top Democrat who is involved in 2020 congressional races. "She's getting all the news and defining everyone else’s races."
The poll — taken in May, before Speaker Pelosi's latest run-in with AOC and the three other liberal House freshmen known as "The Squad" — included 1,003 likely general-election voters who are white and have two years or less of college education.

These are the "white, non-college voters" who embraced Donald Trump in 2016 but are needed by Democrats in swing House districts.
The group that took the poll shared the results with Axios on the condition that it not be named, because the group has to work with all parts of the party.
The findings:

Ocasio-Cortez was recognized by 74% of voters in the poll; 22% had a favorable view.
Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota — another member of The Squad — was recognized by 53% of the voters; 9% (not a typo) had a favorable view.
Socialism was viewed favorably by 18% of the voters and unfavorably by 69%.

Capitalism was 56% favorable; 32% unfavorable.
"Socialism is toxic to these voters," said the top Democrat.
Between the lines: Dems are performing better with these voters than in 2016 (although still not as well as in 2018). So party leaders will continue to try to define themselves around more mainstream members.

The other side: Three members of The Squad — Omar, Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Rep. Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts — defended their approach while appearing in Philadelphia yesterday on a panel at the annual Netroots Nation conference, AP's Juana Summers reports:

"We never need to ask for permission or wait for an invitation to lead," Omar said, adding later that there's a "constant struggle oftentimes with people who have power about sharing that power."
Go deeper:

What you need to know about the 2020 presidential candidates, in under 500 words
2020 presidential election: Track which candidates are running
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 15, 2019, 10:46:06 AM
if the majority of Americans actually accept what the "president" is pushing, the country no longer deserves to exist.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 15, 2019, 11:06:06 AM
 Didn’t you mean to say the country didn’t deserve to exist during the Clinton/Obama debacle?   President Trump will easily win the 2020 election. The majority of Americans are speaking.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 15, 2019, 12:52:15 PM
Didn’t you mean to say the country didn’t deserve to exist during the Clinton/Obama debacle?   President Trump will easily win the 2020 election. The majority of Americans are speaking.

in case you missed math from Grades 1 through 12, "majority" is defined as the larger part/number

Donald J. Trump   Republican   62,980,160
Hillary R. Clinton   Democratic   65,845,063
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on July 15, 2019, 01:04:21 PM
Our founding fathers were wise to understand the tyranny of the majority was just as dangerous as the tyranny of the one.

Donald J. Trump   Republican   304
Hillary R. Clinton   Democratic   227
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: stevn on July 15, 2019, 01:23:38 PM
Our founding fathers were wise to understand the tyranny of the majority was just as dangerous as the tyranny of the one.

Donald J. Trump   Republican   304
Hillary R. Clinton   Democratic   227

Hooooo boy. Imagine what the Founding Fathers would think of the racist rapist we've got in the White House.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 15, 2019, 01:25:23 PM
Our founding fathers were wise to understand the tyranny of the majority was just as dangerous as the tyranny of the one.

Donald J. Trump   Republican   304
Hillary R. Clinton   Democratic   227

because they wanted to guarantee their right to own black people -- a right a full 21 percent of Dementia Donny's voters supported in a poll late last year.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on July 15, 2019, 01:41:44 PM
Our founding fathers were wise to understand the tyranny of the majority was just as dangerous as the tyranny of the one.

Donald J. Trump   Republican   304
Hillary R. Clinton   Democratic   227

Hooooo boy. Imagine what the Founding Fathers would think of the racist rapist we've got in the White House.

I imagine there has been much worse, save that media didn't exist as it does today and politicians were able to present a very controlled image to the public.   The reality is that anyone who would want to be president is probably unfit to hold the office.   I don't hold much hope for this country without a viable third party coming to the fore.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 15, 2019, 02:54:55 PM
In case you missed the class in comprehension reading, I said the majority of Americans ARE speaking up, and will easily win the 2020 election.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: stevn on July 15, 2019, 03:27:14 PM
In case you missed the class in comprehension reading, I said the majority of Americans ARE speaking up, and will easily win the 2020 election.

Since he's never cracked 50% approval, earned millions fewer votes than his opponent in 2016, and is polling behind multiple potential Democratic candidates...maybe the voices are just speaking in your head.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 15, 2019, 03:55:09 PM
 Maybe you should have learned from the 2016 election the polls don’t mean a thing.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 15, 2019, 04:07:06 PM
when Dementia Donny had some doubts about his own election back in 2016, he suggested that "the second amendment people could do something" if they didn't like the results.

hmm.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on July 15, 2019, 06:29:24 PM
I think it's a really good chance Trump wins in 2020, especially considering how Democrats have gone full on Socialist.  Americans just aren't going to vote for the crazy coming from Dems these days.

The real question is what is going to happen to all these people who can't accept Trump as POTUS when they are faced with another 4 years of their nightmare?  Are heads physically going to start spontaneously exploding?  Will there be actual sedition in the streets and media?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 15, 2019, 07:01:09 PM
IMO The President of the USA is crazy...as a fox.

His uncanny M.O. is to tweet out loud exactly what his supporters think.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 15, 2019, 11:09:58 PM
 He tweets the truth, unlike the fake news media that broadcast skewered/ slanted views to the masses.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 15, 2019, 11:19:02 PM
The previous comment proves exactly my point.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: buzz on July 21, 2019, 10:55:06 AM
I think it's a really good chance Trump wins in 2020, especially considering how Democrats have gone full on Socialist.  Americans just aren't going to vote for the crazy coming from Dems these days.


Do you mean the corporate socialism everyone is against.You should look up the word "socialism" before using it. - BTW it was the tax payer who sent America to the moon.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: buzz on July 21, 2019, 10:59:22 AM
I think small business has an edge, but Target is pretty damn American too.  ;D
Because everything  target sells comes from China, and guess what's fueling their arms race?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on July 21, 2019, 11:49:38 AM
I think small business has an edge, but Target is pretty damn American too.  ;D
Because everything  target sells comes from China, and guess what's fueling their arms race?

They're having their back to school special, half off on antifa wear. Don't get caught on camera without it!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on July 21, 2019, 11:52:26 AM
Different tokes for different folks.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on July 24, 2019, 11:31:44 PM
Quote
Do you mean the corporate socialism everyone is against.You should look up the word "socialism" before using it
I meant Socialism and I used it accurately.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on July 24, 2019, 11:36:23 PM
Quote
Because everything  target sells comes from China, and guess what's fueling their arms race?
And what is your point in this response?  Are you implying that Target is not a reflection of American culture, simply because some or most of the things sold there are manufactured in China?  Those statements have no bearing on each other, and they can both be true at the same time.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on July 25, 2019, 07:57:20 AM
BOOM: Mueller’s testimony ....or lack of .... aka dementia Stage 2.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 25, 2019, 09:05:06 AM
Nothing new in Mueller's testimony.

Which is what Mueller told us would happen.

The whole thing, including the report itself, seems to have been an interesting exercise in futility.

Folks simply don't seem to care enough.

Much grumbling and that's it.

Unlike in Puerto Rico where the people rose up to force the governor to resign.

Now, that's an obvious case of folks caring.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: francis on July 26, 2019, 01:46:26 PM
Mueller appears to be nothing more than a puppet of the dems. I dont think he even wrote the report. His performance was difficult to watch and there was a part of me that made me feel sad for him as well as angry.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 26, 2019, 03:05:25 PM
not a puppet. you're a puppet. you're a puppet. puppet.

to quote Dementia Donny directly.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on July 27, 2019, 01:03:50 PM
I'm a registered democrat and after listening to the hearings the only one with dementia was Mueller. There is only so far you can take a made up story. They never thought she would lose.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 27, 2019, 06:28:56 PM
What a great week for the President, wasn’t it? So much accomplished, and so much more to come. Promises made, promises kept.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: francis on July 28, 2019, 10:47:31 AM
It was a staggering price tag for the American people to have paid for such BS.  I would image that the focus will now be on the origins of the "so called" Russian collusion investigations and to discover who the "PUPPET MASTERS' are.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on July 28, 2019, 01:02:22 PM
What a great week for the President, wasn’t it? So much accomplished, and so much more to come. Promises made, promises kept.

he promised to tweet about how much he hates America, and he did. from one of his rat-infested properties.

he promised to get Ivanka another sweatshop in China and he delivered.

he promised to take SNAP benefits away from the impoverished families of active duty military to build a fence we'll tear down in a few years.

his supporters are at half-mast with excitement.

once again, it makes me happy that you live among people you hate. that you have to walk out into the real America. it's a joy to behold.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 28, 2019, 03:24:23 PM
What really makes me happy is that he will be in charge for the next six years :)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on July 28, 2019, 04:06:04 PM
     "once again, it makes me happy that you live among people you hate. that you have to walk out into the real America. it's a joy to behold."                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                         It's sad to see identify politics spewed to shut down someone's principles.  Just because someone is pro Trump does not mean they hate the neighborhood.  People choose to live  here because of the diversity. It's a matter of principles, not race.  the "real America" is much bigger than JH and encompasses many points of view. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 28, 2019, 07:05:02 PM
I have met Trump-supporting Latinx and immigrants.  In this neighborhood.

Black and white thinking. Good/Bad...is child-like. Kinda like out of Orwell's Animal Farm. (Four legs good. Two legs bad)

And not how thinking folks know the nuanced and shades-of-grey reality that life and society is.





Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 28, 2019, 11:03:12 PM
 Of course there are Latin Trump supporters. The guys who paint my house, who are legal Colombians, voted for him. Should they also leave the neighborhood?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JH3525 on July 29, 2019, 08:23:30 AM
Jhx:  I'm not surprised that your Columbian house painter voted for Trump.  A few months ago an article was sent to my email, "Trump secret to Victory in 2020 is Hispanic Voters."  In 2016, President Trump received 27% of Hispanic votes and this could increase substantially in 2020.  Hispanic voters who are here legally are against those who wish to illegally enter the United States.  In all of Queens, 22.6% of the votes were for President Trump and this could easily become 35+% in November 2020. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on July 29, 2019, 08:36:50 AM
“Hispanics who are here legally are against those that are illegally?” What evidence do you offer to support that outlandish supposition? While you are at, why not break down by ethnic group or country? Are we talking about Mexicans, Cubans , Columbians , or just the garden variety Puerto Rican?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JH3525 on July 29, 2019, 09:29:11 AM
There are 21 Countries where Spanish is the official language.  I have never seen a breakdown by Country of how Spanish speaking USA voters voted.  However, I do know that Cubans vote heavily Republican and Puerto Rican and Dominican vote heavily Democrat.  The bottom line is that 27% voted Republican in 2016. 

Based on many conversations with Spanish speaking Jackson Heights residents mostly South American and some from Central America, I have not met even one who supports illegals entering the USA. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 29, 2019, 09:58:44 AM
Of course the ones who came here legally  resent the fact that thousands and thousands of others jump the line in front of them. And it also makes it more difficult for them to bring in their immediate families because of so much of a overflow.My Ecuador gardeners are also huge supporters of the President and all the good he is doing at the border.  Although they tell me their children are taught otherwise in school.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on July 29, 2019, 10:13:15 AM
I wonder if the Puerto  Rican vote will increase in favor of the Republican side with all the corruption that is occurring.  So much money squandered and taken away from the good people pf Puerto Rico
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 29, 2019, 10:17:48 AM
This is also the anecdotal sense I get concerning those immigrants who arrived here documented and through  bureaucratic legal means.

They are kinda annoyed that others aren't going via the official route like they had to.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Beherenow on July 29, 2019, 12:37:49 PM
Opposition to illegal immigration and resentment of immigrants who don't go through legal channels to apply for citizenship does not equate to support for Trump or his immigration policies.  I like a few of the things the Trump administration has done, like criminal justice reforms. I still think he's a dangerous, incompetent liar and would-be autocrat, and I'd prefer any of the Dem candidates to him.  Why assume legal immigrants in Jackson Heights who support his immigration policies also support him?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 29, 2019, 12:48:49 PM
I suppose the easiest way, really, would be to ask people on the street. Maybe in Spanish.

And not guess what they might say. Re: Immigration and Trump.

Many on this forum appear to speak from the vantage point of being a non-immigrant. 
In truth, that might come across as "patronizing".
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 29, 2019, 12:56:38 PM
 Well for starters, that’s what my employees tell me. It’s not all about immigration.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 29, 2019, 02:33:20 PM
Interesting...Ok...well, Latinx have told me that Trump is a businessman. And they like him because he is "good for business".
So there's that...
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on July 31, 2019, 02:15:49 PM
16 Billion dollars given by Trump to Baltimore for housing last year   Where did the money go?  Still waiting on Chirlane Mc Cray to tell us what happened to the monies given to HUD. Such deep seeded corruption with no accountability.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on July 31, 2019, 02:34:58 PM
16 Billion dollars given by Trump to Baltimore for housing last year   Where did the money go?  Still waiting on Chirlane Mc Cray to tell us what happened to the monies given to HUD. Such deep seeded corruption with no accountability.

from Bloomberg.com:


Kushner Cos. Seeks Federal Loan in Biggest Deal in Decade, Sources Say
Lily Katz

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Kushner Family Pitches NJ Real Estate Development To Chinese Investors
Photographer: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

Kushner Cos., the real estate firm owned by the family of President Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, has sought financing from federally-owned lenders for its biggest purchase in a decade.

The company has been in talks with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac about a loan for a $1.15 billion purchase of apartments in Maryland and Virginia, according to two people familiar with the discussions, who asked not to be named discussing a private transaction.

Such a deal would increase Kushner Cos.’ exposure to government-backed mortgages at the same time its former chief executive officer is one of the most powerful people in the White House. Jared Kushner divested ownership in many of the company’s assets to close family members when he joined the government. Kushner Cos. had more than $500 million in loans from Fannie and Freddie at that time. Government-backed financing on this latest deal could more than double that figure.

Spokesmen for both Fannie and Freddie said they had no information to share. Peter Mirijanian, a spokesperson for Jared Kushner’s attorney Abbe Lowell, said that Kushner has no involvement in the company’s management.

‘Walled Off’

“As part of an ethics agreement he has and has followed, Mr. Kushner has had no role in the Kushner Companies or its activities since joining the government over two years ago,” Mirijanian said. “He is walled off from any business or investment decisions and has no idea or knowledge of these activities."

Laurent Morali, Kushner Cos.’ president, Emily Wolf, the company’s general counsel, and Karen Zabarsky, a company spokeswoman, didn’t respond to multiple requests for comment.

President Trump appointed Joseph Otting to oversee the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which regulates Fannie and Freddie. Otting previously served as CEO of OneWest Bank, founded by now-Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, an ally of Kushner’s in the West Wing.

Kushner Cos.’ latest deal is for 6,030 apartments across 16 properties in Maryland and Virginia from private equity firm Lone Star Funds, according to a representative for Michael Campbell of the Carlton Group, a real estate investment bank which is helping to arrange financing for the deal.

Lenders’ Concerns

Both lenders discussed funding the acquisition last year, according to people familiar with the matter.

Even lenders that aren’t owned by the government have fretted about exposure to the White House. Executives at Deutsche Bank, the largest of the Trump Organization’s lenders, considered extending the terms of loans issued to the president’s company, Bloomberg reported Wednesday.

Deutsche Bank Weighed Extending Trump Loans on Default Risk

Officials at the German bank feared a public-relations nightmare would ensue if ever they found themselves in the position of having to collect on a sitting president. Government ethicists have raised similar concerns about Kushner Cos. and the federal agencies, for fear of the complications that could arise from refinancing or foreclosure scenarios.

The purchase from Lone Star is the latest sign that Kushner Cos. is returning to its roots as an owner of suburban properties. It sold almost $2 billion of apartments in 2007 to help finance the purchase of 666 Fifth Ave. The company set a record with the $1.8 billion purchase of the 41-story Manhattan office tower, which was then plagued by outsized debt payments for more than a decade.

Kushner Cos. reached a deal to sell a 99-year lease on 666 Fifth to Brookfield Asset Management Inc. last year, and has been pivoting back to the sprawling multifamily complexes that Charlie Kushner, Jared’s father, built his fortune on.

In 2017, Kushner Cos. teamed up with Israel-based Psagot Investment House to buy Quail Ridge, a 1,032-unit complex in Plainsboro, New Jersey, that the Kushner family had owned until a 2007 sale. This past April, the firm bought the 360-unit Prospect Place in Hackensack, New Jersey.

— With assistance by Patrick Clark, and Shahien Nasiripour

Before it's here, it's on the Bloomberg Terminal.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on July 31, 2019, 03:14:41 PM
Just out today. Another crushing defeat to the DNC. After a judge that former croocked Hillarrys husband actually appointed, dismissed a lawsuit accusing our President of conspiring with the Russians. When will this man stop winning. He didn’t need to throw the election.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on July 31, 2019, 06:58:04 PM
In the words of Marianne Williamson.....YADA YADA YADA
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 02, 2019, 09:54:34 AM
I believe the whole tariff thing with China is a way of taxing the American people an additional 10% to 25% on goods... for the Federal coffers.

(Like the State tax on goods)

Which is actually a smart way to tax folks without them realizing taxes are being raised.



Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on August 03, 2019, 07:08:33 AM
Bought a sofa today and they told me if I wanted to custom order a color it will take weeks and I would have to pay the new tariff. I got a floor sample at a hefty discount but was amazed how dependent we are to China that we can’t even make sofas in this country. China has to be stopped and a trade war is the only way to slow their cannibalization of our markets. We are now in a short and intermediate nuclear missile race. China is a communist dictatorship that has set its goal on conquering the world economy (which it has achieved) and then conquering the world with its military. The future wars will be China vs the US in third wars countries with vast natural resources. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on August 03, 2019, 07:11:16 AM
Bought a sofa today and they told me if I wanted to custom order a color it will take weeks and I would have to pay the new tariff. I got a floor sample at a hefty discount but was amazed how dependent we are to China that we can’t even make sofas in this country. China has to be stopped and a trade war is the only way to slow their cannibalization of our markets. We are now in a short and intermediate nuclear missile race. China is a communist dictatorship that has set its goal on conquering the world economy (which it has achieved) and then conquering the world with its military. The future wars will be China vs the US in third wars countries with vast natural resources.

Yes, but China did not do this. We did this to ourselves.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 03, 2019, 07:49:01 AM
Bought a sofa today and they told me if I wanted to custom order a color it will take weeks and I would have to pay the new tariff. I got a floor sample at a hefty discount but was amazed how dependent we are to China that we can’t even make sofas in this country. China has to be stopped and a trade war is the only way to slow their cannibalization of our markets. We are now in a short and intermediate nuclear missile race. China is a communist dictatorship that has set its goal on conquering the world economy (which it has achieved) and then conquering the world with its military. The future wars will be China vs the US in third wars countries with vast natural resources.

This comment sounds like it's straight out of the 1950s McCarthy era playbook. With China instead of the USSR.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on August 03, 2019, 08:54:09 AM
It is the new reality in world politics. We went from a bipolar world to a unipolar world and now back to a new bipolar world. Russia is only a threat militarily but has a small weak economy. China has the vast economic power to start building super carriers with advanced fifth generation fighters. They are already violating freedom of navigation laws by claiming vast parts of the oceans as sovereign waters. They are also converting small sand bars into military bases. If you are not concerned then you need to be woke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_programme

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_superpowers


Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 03, 2019, 09:30:13 AM
Every empire has a rise and then an inevitable fall.

Yes, China will rise. And possibly become the #1 Superpower.

Perhaps being #2 will be a relief for the USA. We might no longer feel the need to be the world's police force. And might concentrate on our own challenges and incredible opportunities.

Many other nations in history have been #1 Superpowers... France. Britain. The Netherlands. etc. etc. And lost their crown.  And seem to be doing fine.

China will learn that being #1 Superpower comes with its own set of headaches.

And may have to learn to be careful what they wish for...

...And that is the truly "woke" way to assess the situation.


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Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on August 03, 2019, 10:18:50 AM
I’m glad that you are content to see a communist dictatorship take over the world to export its anti democratic philosophy. This nation stands for democracy and free elections. It also stands for individual freedom. Many soldiers lives have been lost to protect these freedoms. The US will not let communist brutality and worker slavery become the acceptable norm. We often as Americans take our liberties for granted.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on August 03, 2019, 04:42:25 PM
we currently have a leader who thinks the world's most brutal dictators are "great leaders" who he's "in love with." his spawn runs sweatshops in China, and refuses to hire Americans for any reason. i'm not content to have a communist dictatorship export its philosophy, but your president sure is.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on August 03, 2019, 05:19:32 PM
we currently have a leader who thinks the world's most brutal dictators are "great leaders" who he's "in love with." his spawn runs sweatshops in China, and refuses to hire Americans for any reason. i'm not content to have a communist dictatorship export its philosophy, but your president sure is.

Unless you are a citizen of another nation and live outside of the United States, he's your president as well.  That makes me giggle regardless of what I do and don't think of Trump.  The difference is Trump will be out in two or six more years, while China's dictator will be exporting his philosophy for life, and may God help the Chinese because it will be much, much worse for them. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on August 03, 2019, 06:28:10 PM
have you watched Tweetie Amin "joke," week after week, about not leaving office? about being president for life? you think he's kidding? the only bright spot is that his brain function is clearly deteriorating at a rate fast enough that his kids will have to address it at some point.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on August 03, 2019, 06:34:12 PM
Well, after our president wins the next election, which he certainly will, we know the Trump name will carry-on in Ivanka. You do know our President is grooming her to be the woman to “break that glass ceiling”
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on August 04, 2019, 12:38:12 AM
Hong Kong will be squashed by Chinese military soon. It will not be pretty.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/03/beijing-is-prepping-for-a-massacre-in-hong-kong-time-for-the-west-to-put-human-rights-ahead-of-free-trade/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 04, 2019, 09:01:03 AM
Hong Kong will be squashed by Chinese military soon. It will not be pretty.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/03/beijing-is-prepping-for-a-massacre-in-hong-kong-time-for-the-west-to-put-human-rights-ahead-of-free-trade/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

JK Resident are you auditioning for the role of 2019's McCarthy?  Congratulations. The role is yours.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on August 04, 2019, 09:40:04 AM
Well, after our president wins the next election, which he certainly will, we know the Trump name will carry-on in Ivanka. You do know our President is grooming her to be the woman to “break that glass ceiling”

well, he's only planning to serve four terms after he abolishes the constitution. and by then, Ivanka will be so old that he'll be paying more attention to Tiffany...
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on August 04, 2019, 10:43:51 AM
LOL....YIKES...you're starting to sound like Ilhan Omar who married her brother!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on August 04, 2019, 06:27:26 PM
In other news, our beloved Senator Chuck Schumer wants to amend the First Amendment to establish limits on your ability to criticize YOUR government servants.  He's been trying to do this at least since 2012, but he's back at it this week:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/455342-democrats-introduce-constitutional-amendment-to-overturn-citizens-united
https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/schumer-calls-amending-first-amendment-limit-political-speech
https://nypost.com/2014/05/07/chucking-the-first-amendment-schumers-cranky-scheme/
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on August 04, 2019, 06:31:50 PM
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JK Resident are you auditioning for the role of 2019's McCarthy?  Congratulations. The role is yours.
McCarthy was right.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on August 04, 2019, 06:54:57 PM
Sounds fascist if you ask me.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 05, 2019, 09:35:13 AM
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JK Resident are you auditioning for the role of 2019's McCarthy?  Congratulations. The role is yours.
McCarthy was right.

Congratulations, Chingwa. The role of Roy Cohn is yours!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on August 05, 2019, 02:25:54 PM
Well McCarthy has been demonized so thoroughly since his death that people have a complete emotional response that overrides their intellectual thinking on this matter.  But facts are different than "truth", and the fact is that there was and is endemic organized communist subversion in this country.  Take a look at any University today for just a little bit of evidence.  Or look at the Green New Deal which is practically drowningin communist ideology.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 05, 2019, 02:36:02 PM
Well McCarthy has been demonized so thoroughly since his death that people have a complete emotional response that overrides their intellectual thinking on this matter.  But facts are different than "truth", and the fact is that there was and is endemic organized communist subversion in this country.  Take a look at any University today for just a little bit of evidence.  Or look at the Green New Deal which is practically drowningin communist ideology.

Well done, Roy Cohn! You have lost none of your maniacal abilities. All you need now is to find some Ethel Rosenbergs to send to the chair.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on August 05, 2019, 03:35:23 PM
I don't care if you disagree, but you don't seem able to respond through means other than slander by association.  If you aren't responding to what is said then you aren't responding at all.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 05, 2019, 03:45:25 PM
I don't care if you disagree, but you don't seem able to respond through means other than slander by association.  If you aren't responding to what is said then you aren't responding at all.

Yes. That's right. You got it. My choice is not to respond to your comments.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on August 05, 2019, 04:31:47 PM
Then why are you here?  ;D  LOL I'm generally curious why you come to a discussion board and choose not to discuss.  To each their own I guess.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 05, 2019, 04:38:48 PM
Then why are you here?  ;D  LOL I'm generally curious why you come to a discussion board and choose not to discuss.  To each their own I guess.

I pick my battles, Chingwa.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on August 05, 2019, 04:49:36 PM
So do we all.  Good luck in the wars to come.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: ClydeM on August 05, 2019, 09:35:10 PM
Well McCarthy has been demonized so thoroughly since his death that people have a complete emotional response that overrides their intellectual thinking on this matter.  But facts are different than "truth", and the fact is that there was and is endemic organized communist subversion in this country.  Take a look at any University today for just a little bit of evidence.  Or look at the Green New Deal which is practically drowningin communist ideology.

No, McCarthy was not right and has been demonized for good reason.

I need to ask: What is your proof for this "endemic organized communist subversion in this country?" How is the Green New Deal "drowning in communist ideology?" Have you actually read Marx and the classical Marxists (those who predate Trotsky, Lenin, and Stalin) or the writings of the the Frankfurt School? Do you understand the difference between socialism and communism as stated by Marx and carried out since (i.e. in most of Western Europe.)? How are the universities promoting a "communist agenda" and what evidence do you have that they are doing so?

My larger point is that there are people who love to call anything that they don't agree with as communist, socialist, fascist, anarchist (often conflating them as one and the same) but they don't fully understand what these labels imply. They are usually same people who try to claim that the NAZIs were socialist and hold on to the fact that the Democrats founded the KKK, but refuse to acknowledge the political shift that happened between the parties as a result of the Civil Rights Act (1964) and the Voting Rights Act (1965).
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on August 05, 2019, 11:23:31 PM
re: "What is your proof"

n n n n n no.

How about you DISPROVE organized subversion in this country, DISPROVE the GND's underlying ideology, DISPROVE universities' "communist agenda", DISPROVE the Nazis weren't socialists.

I posted Saikat's writing today. When he writes "take over Congress," what does that really mean. Awhile ago I posted a promo piece on AOC where she states that it's ok to be a 1-term representative as long as the socialist agenda is fulfilled. Twice I posted a YouTube video critical of the JusticeDems which demonstrates the intention to subvert our political and economic institutions. Prior to all that, I posted(?) an AOC interview where she plainly states that capitalism didn't always and won't always exist. It's coming straight from their  mouths.

I'm not going to split hairs over definitions. There's enough similarity and overlap.

Those of us who have come to question what we have learned about our history and been taught about our culture can't be doing the work for you. Think for yourself or hide in your box. You have that choice, for now anyway. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on August 06, 2019, 12:17:09 AM
As mentioned the facts are available to all and are plain as day but you first have to be willing to see them.  I recommend you look up some old interviews with Yuri Bezmenov on Youtube, who was an ex-KGB officer granted asylum in the 1970s.  The processes he talks about already being finalized in the 1980s you can see being revealed quite clearly in recent years.

edit: Here's the short version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgCnpCBORyM

And like Jeanette mentioned, they are not hiding their goals, they are quite open about all of it if you actually listen to what they say.  There is no excuse for ignorance on this matter, given our ease of access to information and the numerous disaster's that communism has wrought in recent history.  If you really want an eye opener lookup what people from Eastern Europe who previously were under the yoke of the USSR think about what's happening in Western Europe and the USA.  They are horrified because they understand exactly where these socialist policies lead.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 06, 2019, 09:56:21 AM
As mentioned the facts are available to all and are plain as day but you first have to be willing to see them.  I recommend you look up some old interviews with Yuri Bezmenov on Youtube, who was an ex-KGB officer granted asylum in the 1970s.  The processes he talks about already being finalized in the 1980s you can see being revealed quite clearly in recent years.

edit: Here's the short version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgCnpCBORyM

And like Jeanette mentioned, they are not hiding their goals, they are quite open about all of it if you actually listen to what they say.  There is no excuse for ignorance on this matter, given our ease of access to information and the numerous disaster's that communism has wrought in recent history.  If you really want an eye opener lookup what people from Eastern Europe who previously were under the yoke of the USSR think about what's happening in Western Europe and the USA.  They are horrified because they understand exactly where these socialist policies lead.

I watched this YOUTUBE video. Interesting.

The guy says in 1985 that "DEMORALIZATION" occurred in the USA.  35 years ago.

Er, I don't think so. Instead the USSR collapsed. That's what really happened.

So, it's hard to take anything this YURI dude says seriously... as he was so completely wrong.

My belief is that the freedoms we enjoy in the USA will save us. And it is the freedoms in the USA that other nations around the world see...

I am completely optimistic about the future of the USA...conspiracy theories are for the paranoid. Paranoid people, for instance, like McCarthy
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on August 06, 2019, 02:26:52 PM
The USSR is dead but the bad ideas that brought it to life sadly are not.  I agree the freedoms we have in this country will save us, however those very freedoms are under direct assault from all sides.  So good luck when we wake up one morning and realize the very things that protected us for so long have been slowly eroded to the point of being mere lip-service.  That is the entire point.

If you don't recognize that our freedoms are under assault then I'm inclined to think you are not paying attention.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 06, 2019, 02:46:48 PM
Real freedom also means allowing Socialists to have their say.

Whether you agree with them or not.

That's the beauty of the USA.

Everyone gets their say.

Whipping up paranoia when the folks a person doesn't agree with...do have their say isn't really American according to our Constitution.

That Yuri dude in the video should've been warning the USSR about "destabilization".  Considering what happened. That video is ironic, really.

Everyone is trying to sell you their agenda in this world.  Like the used car biz...But the great thing in the USA is that a person is free not to buy that used car.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on August 06, 2019, 03:02:58 PM
I have never said to limit anyone's say or speech and I'm not whipping up paranoia.  I am pointing out, however, that this country is too far gone to one side and needs a shift back to it's original founding principles, and that starts with awareness of the world as it is.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on August 09, 2019, 05:15:06 AM
You have to feel sorry for the children. The judicial system lacked a protection system and NYS makes it hard to carry a gun.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: buzz on August 21, 2019, 03:19:23 PM
AH the cult of Trump is everywhere.   It would help if the people worried about socialism, knew what it is.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on August 21, 2019, 03:20:11 PM
AH the cult of Trump is everywhere.   It would help if the people worried about socialism, knew what it is.

blunt time
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on August 21, 2019, 05:20:07 PM
The evidence is there all you have to do is open your eyes.  Here's some more evidence:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez calls the Electoral College a racist 'scam'
https://www.businessinsider.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-calls-electoral-college-racist-scam-2019-8
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on August 21, 2019, 05:46:42 PM
and Dementia Donny says he's the second coming of Jesus. which is more dangerous?

we do still have technology to test the hypothesis that he's the Messiah.....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/08/21/i-am-the-chosen-one-trumps-religious-comments-enrage-critics/#54c9c9639398
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 21, 2019, 11:24:21 PM
I believe that because we live in NYC, our view of the USA is far more diverse than the USA actually is.
From my research,

Total population % of Latinx in the USA = 18%
Total population % of African-American in the USA = 12%

I realize that living here our view of the USA is skewed (for the better, let me add)
but the hard numbers show that in its entirety the USA is mostly White.

AOC is looking at the USA thro a Queens/Bronx lens. In which it appears that a great majority are Latinx etc...

And that might be the flaw in her logic/viewpoint... when it comes to extrapolating to 100% of the whole USA population.

I also think Trump possesses a similar flaw in his view of the USA since he's from New York.
Population % of Jews in the entire USA is 2.1%... Trump also apparently sees the USA thro a NYC lens.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 22, 2019, 09:21:45 PM
I believe that because we live in NYC, our view of the USA is far more diverse than the USA actually is.
From my research,

Total population % of Latinx in the USA = 18%
Total population % of African-American in the USA = 12%

I realize that living here our view of the USA is skewed (for the better, let me add)
but the hard numbers show that in its entirety the USA is mostly White.

AOC is looking at the USA thro a Queens/Bronx lens. In which it appears that a great majority are Latinx etc...

And that might be the flaw in her logic/viewpoint... when it comes to extrapolating to 100% of the whole USA population.

I also think Trump possesses a similar flaw in his view of the USA since he's from New York.
Population % of Jews in the entire USA is 2.1%... Trump also apparently sees the USA thro a NYC lens.

Further thinking about this. This is the trouble with identity politics. It doesn't factor in that the identity of the majority of the USA  is not so diverse. (Outside of NYC, that is.) And if Democrats like AOC set the game as identity politics, the rest of the USA will also play identity politics. White identity politics. And that's the majority in the USA.

Thus identity politics is a losing strategy. From the get-go. (Outside of NYC)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on August 23, 2019, 11:31:13 AM
Identity-politics is divisive by nature, and by intent.  It can be nothing but.  It is a double headed snake, for once you destroy your "opponent" you will suddenly find that you yourself have become the new opponent.  The ideology demands an "other" always.  Right now it is the White majority, but it isn't going to end there.  Sooner or later those who are promoting this insanity will find themselves on the chopping block.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 23, 2019, 11:41:41 AM
Identity-politics is divisive by nature, and by intent.  It can be nothing but.  It is a double headed snake, for once you destroy your "opponent" you will suddenly find that you yourself have become the new opponent.  The ideology demands an "other" always.  Right now it is the White majority, but it isn't going to end there.  Sooner or later those who are promoting this insanity will find themselves on the chopping block.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on August 23, 2019, 12:04:20 PM
Identity-politics is divisive by nature, and by intent.  It can be nothing but.  It is a double headed snake, for once you destroy your "opponent" you will suddenly find that you yourself have become the new opponent.  The ideology demands an "other" always.  Right now it is the White majority, but it isn't going to end there.  Sooner or later those who are promoting this insanity will find themselves on the chopping block.

clearly, heterosexual white men are the most oppressed members of our society. we need to protect them like we once did the bald eagle. they are in danger of disappearing.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on August 23, 2019, 12:28:12 PM
That’s correct. What would this country be without white heterosexuals. We do need protection in this delusional country.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on August 23, 2019, 12:47:30 PM
That’s correct. What would this country be without white heterosexuals. We do need protection in this delusional country.

we let you get married now, what more do you want?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on August 23, 2019, 01:11:05 PM
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we let you get married now, what more do you want?
"Let" ?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on August 23, 2019, 01:18:15 PM
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clearly, heterosexual white men are the most oppressed members of our society. we need to protect them like we once did the bald eagle. they are in danger of disappearing.
Dssjh, please try to keep your racist man-hating out of these discussions.  I know it's difficult for you to do.  These types of outbursts are simply illustrating my point.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on August 30, 2019, 11:49:51 AM
EAST ELMHURST, Queens — A 19-year-old is expected in court Friday after he was arrested in Queens on as part of an FBI national security investigation, officials and law enforcement sources said.
The teen was texting with a man he thought was an ISIS sympathizer, saying he wanted to carry out an ISIS-style attack, sources said. Law enforcement carried out a search warrant at the teen's East Elmhurst residence on Thursday night. About a dozen FBI agents could be seen going in and out.
A woman who lives in the area said the people in that residence don't speak to anyone in the neighborhood.
"Just thinking about what could have happened here hurts me," she said.
The teen had only moved in to the area a short time ago, neighbors said.
The 19-year-old is a Queens resident who was born in Pakistan, a law enforcement official told CNN. Authorities allege he was inspired by ISIS and planned to conduct a stabbing or bombing attack in Queens.
According to the official, the man was under constant surveillance by law enforcement authorities and did not pose a danger to the public.
Officials said they would release more information when they were able to.
A former counterterrorism cop who worked cases after 9/11 said the FBI can choose to 'classify this incident and not make any of the details public.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 30, 2019, 12:49:22 PM
EAST ELMHURST, Queens — A 19-year-old is expected in court Friday after he was arrested in Queens on as part of an FBI national security investigation, officials and law enforcement sources said.
The teen was texting with a man he thought was an ISIS sympathizer, saying he wanted to carry out an ISIS-style attack, sources said. Law enforcement carried out a search warrant at the teen's East Elmhurst residence on Thursday night. About a dozen FBI agents could be seen going in and out.
A woman who lives in the area said the people in that residence don't speak to anyone in the neighborhood.
"Just thinking about what could have happened here hurts me," she said.
The teen had only moved in to the area a short time ago, neighbors said.
The 19-year-old is a Queens resident who was born in Pakistan, a law enforcement official told CNN. Authorities allege he was inspired by ISIS and planned to conduct a stabbing or bombing attack in Queens.
According to the official, the man was under constant surveillance by law enforcement authorities and did not pose a danger to the public.
Officials said they would release more information when they were able to.
A former counterterrorism cop who worked cases after 9/11 said the FBI can choose to 'classify this incident and not make any of the details public.

"Stabbing or bombing in Queens". Very appreciative that this was stopped.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lmaniace on August 31, 2019, 08:59:37 AM
Hate to break up the whole “I love Social Security “ love fest but given the decline in population after the baby boomers there will not be enough workers to cover the retirement costs of the elderly. It is only a matter of time before they will need to cut benefits or  American workers will emigrate to seek a better life without legacy costs. It truly is a Ponzi scheme. Most twenty to forty year olds will never see a dime of social security they pay into.

Social Security - OK, let's take a few breathes and calm ourselves.
A Ponzi scheme? Well, this one has been working for what, more than 80 years? Think any associated scam would have shown up by now.
Also, when I and my friends were in our 20s and 30s, we were convinced we would never see a dime from Social Security.  Guess what, baby boomers are collecting Social Security. The unavailability of Social Security for us must be one of those intergenerational complaints like (from the side of the divide) these kids listen to bad music, are lazy and/or irresponsible. (On the latter point, hear Cole Porter's Anything Goes.
Want to make Social Security stable further into the future, for one thing, take the cap off for earnings subject to SSA contributions.
And there are other ways to make Social Security work until the baby boomers are no longer collecting and the U.S. returns to a more normal age-population distribution.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on August 31, 2019, 01:57:39 PM
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decline in population after the baby boomers

you mean the Millennials, which is a bigger generation than the baby boomers? https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-113.html (https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-113.html)

BTW, can everyone try to remember that if they are going to post a news article, the practice isn't to post the entire article, but rather a snippet with a link so the news site doing the reporting can get the traffic and eyeballs on advertising?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on August 31, 2019, 02:13:18 PM
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clearly, heterosexual white men are the most oppressed members of our society. we need to protect them like we once did the bald eagle. they are in danger of disappearing.
Dssjh, please try to keep your racist man-hating out of these discussions.  I know it's difficult for you to do.  These types of outbursts are simply illustrating my point.

you sure are sensitive, person of indeterminate gender.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on August 31, 2019, 04:11:00 PM
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clearly, heterosexual white men are the most oppressed members of our society. we need to protect them like we once did the bald eagle. they are in danger of disappearing.
Dssjh, please try to keep your racist man-hating out of these discussions.  I know it's difficult for you to do.  These types of outbursts are simply illustrating my point.

you sure are sensitive, person of indeterminate gender.

I was writing something about this exchange, but because bias has been exhibited by the monitor(s) of this site--in favor of bad characters, I decided to silence myself.

...and that is my true naked political commentary of the day.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on September 02, 2019, 08:08:25 AM
Let me be the first on this site to congratulate the Trump family on the beautiful newest addition. Congratulations to the Trump family, and welcome to the world Carolina Trump!!!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on September 02, 2019, 08:35:44 AM
and let me be the first to congratulate Sasha Obama as she embarks upon her collegiate career. a beautiful young woman whose parents raised her well.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on September 02, 2019, 08:42:46 AM
I don’t see how the Obamas are relevant at all to this topic and in general
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on September 02, 2019, 09:43:28 AM
of course you don't.

and we all know why.

why not go out and enjoy the diversity that surrounds you here -- a neighborhood that welcomes everyone. let it envelop you and perhaps you can learn something.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on September 02, 2019, 02:28:20 PM
Yes, I hear Martha’s Vineyard is real diverse
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on September 02, 2019, 03:38:10 PM
well, we know what the liberal restaurant workers are capable of there. be careful, my friend. and remember, preventative immodium.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: sl on September 03, 2019, 07:56:20 AM
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clearly, heterosexual white men are the most oppressed members of our society. we need to protect them like we once did the bald eagle. they are in danger of disappearing.
Dssjh, please try to keep your racist man-hating out of these discussions.  I know it's difficult for you to do.  These types of outbursts are simply illustrating my point.

you sure are sensitive, person of indeterminate gender.

It’s not about whether someone is sensitive or not, it’s about you constantly spewing your hate.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JH3525 on September 03, 2019, 04:35:39 PM
sl:  I thank you for your comments regarding dssjh hateful remarks directed at those who don't share her toxic views.  You did what no one else had the courage to do. 

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Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on September 03, 2019, 05:22:25 PM
@Moderator

I agree completely!! Your comment, however, begs the question as to why you have allowed dssjh's continual personal attacks and hate speech.  It's your forum so you can do what you want, however please be honest about what you are doing.  I.e., what is visible here is hate speech and personal attacks from a certain part of the sociopolitical spectrum seem to be ok.

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Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JHALUM on September 03, 2019, 07:50:07 PM
@ Moderator,

I share the views of a number of members who have spoken up in this thread.  It seems like personal attacks and hate speech is OK from certain members.  It is why a number of people I know don't post in JH Life or have left the site.  I think the moderators need to step up their game.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on September 30, 2019, 09:05:49 PM
This should thrill the socialists in our midst.

It's not all *roses* commenting. Conservatives are deboosted to the bottom.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1178685868804100097
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: grace marie on September 30, 2019, 11:10:04 PM
what's the issue?

congress is not in session, despite what several of the commenters say.

she's in her district, with her constituents.

what's the problem?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on October 01, 2019, 11:13:36 AM
This should thrill the socialists in our midst.

What? That she likes dumplings? Is a love for dumplings some kind of virtue signaling?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Lilybell on October 02, 2019, 08:56:02 AM
I don't understand the point of this.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on October 02, 2019, 02:48:43 PM
I don't understand the point of this either but I disagree with her stance on Momos!  ;D
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on October 03, 2019, 10:38:26 PM
This was a Town Hall, tonight in Corona.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4820911/representative-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-town-hall-meeting-paul-eliason

I just heard the "eat the babies" clip. I haven't watched all the clips. It appears you have to pay to download the whole meeting.

Still don't know how one finds when/where these THs are going to happen.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on October 03, 2019, 11:49:50 PM
Here's the "we gotta start eating babies" clip.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1179908480322289664

I was waiting for AOC to say " we don't need to eat babies" but, well, she didn't say that.  ;D
I actually think AOC handled the lady well, but I also think she bears a big responsibility in spreading this mass psychosis in the first place.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on October 04, 2019, 12:58:18 AM
Sorry, I thought it was obvious, but eat-the-babies is on page 2 of the C-span coverage. You have to scroll right.

Thanks for posting the Twitter thread, Chingwa. There's so much online already. AOC is in damage control mode.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on October 04, 2019, 05:02:08 AM
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I also think she bears a big responsibility in spreading this mass psychosis in the first place.

AOC is not responsible for causing mental illness.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: theplanesland on October 04, 2019, 08:00:53 AM
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I also think she bears a big responsibility in spreading this mass psychosis in the first place.

AOC is not responsible for causing mental illness.

I think AOC's response here was appropriate.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1179926199738490880
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on October 04, 2019, 09:00:33 AM
AOC is not responsible for causing mental illness.
I disagree.  If you stand up in a movie theater and shout "fire" you will be held responsible for the consequences.  If you use your congressional platform and push doomsday rhetoric to pass your socialist agenda you will be held responsible for the consequences.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on October 04, 2019, 09:12:05 AM
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I disagree.  If you stand up in a movie theater and shout "fire" you will be held responsible for the consequences.  If you use your congressional platform and push doomsday rhetoric to pass your socialist agenda you will be held responsible for the consequences.

You just demonstrated that you are deeply ignorant about mental illness.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on October 04, 2019, 09:24:01 AM
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I disagree.  If you stand up in a movie theater and shout "fire" you will be held responsible for the consequences.  If you use your congressional platform and push doomsday rhetoric to pass your socialist agenda you will be held responsible for the consequences.

You just demonstrated that you are deeply ignorant about mental illness.

I did not read what this thread is about. I do not read twitter or facebook. I try to minimize the stupidity.

I think AOC is an ignorant, inexperienced person. I am sorry I voted for her. She is the wrong person for this time. She enflames instead of inspires. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: theplanesland on October 04, 2019, 12:43:27 PM
STAGED!

https://gizmodo.com/viral-video-about-eating-babies-at-aoc-town-hall-was-st-1838767680
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 04, 2019, 01:16:19 PM
AOC is not responsible for causing mental illness.
I disagree.  If you stand up in a movie theater and shout "fire" you will be held responsible for the consequences.  If you use your congressional platform and push doomsday rhetoric to pass your socialist agenda you will be held responsible for the consequences.

and if you use the bully pulpit of the presidency to pass a right-wing regressive agenda that endangers millions of people, you will be held responsible for the consequences -- as we're seeing right now.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on October 04, 2019, 02:34:19 PM
I'm kinda relieved it was staged.  I didn't want to think there were crazy baby eaters living in Queens. ;D
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 04, 2019, 02:39:58 PM
I'm kinda relieved it was staged.  I didn't want to think there were crazy baby eaters living in Queens. ;D

not sure if this was clear in that response, but it seems like it was the Lyndon LaRouche folks, beloved to anyone who ever had to navigate LaGuardia back in the good old days.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on October 04, 2019, 03:09:14 PM
 Here we go, Trump Derangement Syndrome wearing it’s ugly head again .....
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on October 04, 2019, 03:11:10 PM
That should be “Rearing”
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 04, 2019, 03:17:55 PM
That should be “Rearing”

i certainly see trump derangement syndrome in the AOC bashing. do you not see that, sir or madam?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 04, 2019, 05:24:48 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/04/conservatives-attacked-ocasio-cortez-over-bizarre-town-hall-speaker-now-pro-trump-fringe-group-says-they-planned-stunt/?fbclid=IwAR2jPEgbD1EVlWvwCg7EcYLjXBdEtrsCGJHn6-CxDcMNQ5gAoEhgi7HdcuQ
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: toddg on October 04, 2019, 05:43:23 PM
Jeanette and Chingwa,

I think you owe us all an apology for posting this shit here and stating that our elected official is responsible for it.   Please show some more self-control and integrity in the future.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on October 04, 2019, 06:41:59 PM
I stand by what I said irrespective of baby-eating-lady being a troll.  People reap what they sow, and AOC is no different.  I don't owe you anything.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on October 09, 2019, 02:47:39 PM
Trump lowered my taxes.  I'm not a 1-percenter.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 09, 2019, 06:13:30 PM
Trump lowered my taxes.  I'm not a 1-percenter.

Dementia Donny raised mine, and i'm middle class.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on October 09, 2019, 08:02:45 PM
Trump lowered my taxes.  I'm not a 1-percenter.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less)

They were billed as a “middle-class miracle” but according to a new book Donald Trump’s $1.5tn tax cuts have helped billionaires pay a lower rate than the working class for the first time in history.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on October 10, 2019, 10:40:11 AM
"Self-declared socialist AOC splurges on high-dollar hairdo"

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/9/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-spends-300-hairdo-last-ta/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/9/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-spends-300-hairdo-last-ta/)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Shelby2 on October 10, 2019, 12:39:58 PM
"Self-declared socialist AOC splurges on high-dollar hairdo"

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/9/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-spends-300-hairdo-last-ta/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/9/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-spends-300-hairdo-last-ta/)

This is silly. She's in the public eye all the time and has the right to have something nice done to her hair. $180 for highlights in a major urban area does not seem over the top to me. I'm actually not an AOC fan but IMO they should just leave her alone about stuff like this.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 10, 2019, 12:50:19 PM
you and i spend $3 million a week on golf for the "president."

and that money goes into his pocket, since he's paying himself to use his own golf courses.

i can live with her spending her money on her hair.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on October 10, 2019, 12:58:01 PM
Trump lowered my taxes.  I'm not a 1-percenter.

Dementia Donny raised mine, and i'm middle class.

Got caught by the 10K limit to SALT deductions?  If so, that's NY's fault for having really high state and local taxes.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 10, 2019, 01:44:31 PM
Trump lowered my taxes.  I'm not a 1-percenter.

Dementia Donny raised mine, and i'm middle class.

Got caught by the 10K limit to SALT deductions?  If so, that's NY's fault for having really high state and local taxes.

self-employment, for one thing. my decision to be charitable, for another.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on October 10, 2019, 02:19:09 PM
TheTrump Derangement Syndrome is showing its ugly head again
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 10, 2019, 03:17:51 PM
TheTrump Derangement Syndrome is showing its ugly head again

indeed. his supporters to need to find a way to stop exhibiting it.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on October 11, 2019, 12:56:42 PM
"Self-declared socialist AOC splurges on high-dollar hairdo"

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/9/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-spends-300-hairdo-last-ta/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/9/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-spends-300-hairdo-last-ta/)

This is silly. She's in the public eye all the time and has the right to have something nice done to her hair. $180 for highlights in a major urban area does not seem over the top to me. I'm actually not an AOC fan but IMO they should just leave her alone about stuff like this.

Isn't AOC a self-declared Democratic Socialist? Color me shocked the Washington Times got that wrong.

Also color me shocked the Washington Times spends space and resources criticizing a woman for her hair.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on October 11, 2019, 04:26:16 PM
Isn't AOC a self-declared Democratic Socialist? Color me shocked the Washington Times got that wrong.
Also color me shocked the Washington Times spends space and resources criticizing a woman for her hair.
I think the correct term is Champagne Socialist.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on October 11, 2019, 06:17:30 PM
It's her money, she can do what she wants with it.  I think it's silly, but she isn't the first nor will be the last to spend a lot of money on personal care and appearance.  Including a lot of non-politicians.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 11, 2019, 07:05:36 PM

I think the correct term is Champagne Socialist.

the trump derangement syndrome is strong.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: StevenGrey on October 11, 2019, 07:20:47 PM
One can only wonder what it costs US taxpayers to maintain that insane bird's nest on the Oompa-Loompa-in-Chiefs' fat head!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 11, 2019, 07:27:15 PM
One can only wonder what it costs US taxpayers to maintain that insane bird's nest on the Oompa-Loompa-in-Chiefs' fat head!

well, golf is $3 million per week, guessing the wigs are about 100K per day.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on October 16, 2019, 01:29:04 PM
New poll on AOC

https://nypost.com/2019/10/16/aocs-unfavorability-rating-plummeting-to-trump-pelosi-levels/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

Is her level of popularity higher in JH?


Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 16, 2019, 03:05:29 PM
New poll on AOC

https://nypost.com/2019/10/16/aocs-unfavorability-rating-plummeting-to-trump-pelosi-levels/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

Is her level of popularity higher in JH?

yes.

much.

thanks for asking.

and, to quote the current first lady, "i really don't care" what a Republican in Kentucky thinks about AOC. just like Rand Paul doesn't care what a Democrat in Jackson Heights, Queens thinks about him.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 16, 2019, 05:47:11 PM
As a point of fact...

Some of us here in Jackson Heights who voted for her the first time...won't be doing so again...

That's the beauty of living in a democracy.  A person can vote for who they want. Either at the ballot box or in stores (with their wallets, where they spend their money)...
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 16, 2019, 06:09:11 PM
you are absolutely correct.

and some of us who didn't know who she was the first time will be canvassing for her and fundraising for her.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 16, 2019, 06:14:52 PM
We are very fortunate to live in a Democracy where everyone's opinion is respected.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 16, 2019, 06:21:36 PM
indeed.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: sl on October 16, 2019, 09:28:43 PM
We are very fortunate to live in a Democracy where everyone's opinion is respected.
Unfortunately it’s not respected here in this forum. People call you a troll if you have a different opinion or a different point of view.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 16, 2019, 10:10:54 PM
We are very fortunate to live in a Democracy where everyone's opinion is respected.
Unfortunately it’s not respected here in this forum. People call you a troll if you have a different opinion or a different point of view.

I believe the culture on this forum is changing for the better.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on October 17, 2019, 01:23:47 AM
We are very fortunate to live in a Democracy where everyone's opinion is respected.
Unfortunately it’s not respected here in this forum. People call you a troll if you have a different opinion or a different point of view.

I got an email from the moderator saying I was a troll for posting the news article about the haircut. I thought peolpe wanted to know what was happening in the neighborhood and what peopke were saying about the neighborhood. I am going to post less.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 17, 2019, 01:21:26 PM
Sanders is not my candidate of choice, so i won't be. i'd imagine there will be a fairly good turnout from this neighborhood, as well as the rest of queens. he did pretty well here in 2016, though he seems to have less momentum this cycle.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on October 17, 2019, 04:48:34 PM
I believed JH is more of a Warren crowd than Sanders. I don’t see Biden with his son who shakes down governments to do well in JH. It also seems  Bernie has some health issues with his recent heart attack. I can’t believe that Cummins passed away given he was younger and looked healthy compared to Bernie.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 17, 2019, 05:11:50 PM
yeah, the candidate whose family shakes down foreign governments did pretty badly in 2016, not surprisingly.

agreed on Warren. she's the candidate i'm on board with.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on October 19, 2019, 11:42:12 AM
LOL, Elizebeth Warren
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 19, 2019, 04:14:05 PM
LOL, Elizebeth Warren
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on October 20, 2019, 09:35:16 AM
Harvard Law's first woman of color.... "Elizabeth Warren".....???????!!!!!!! What a joke. If she  were ever to be  elected, and  I sincerely hope she is not, middle class taxes will go through the roof to pay for  her universal health proposal.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on October 20, 2019, 09:41:45 AM
Harvard Law's first woman of color.... "Elizabeth Warren".....???????!!!!!!! What a joke. If she  were ever to be  elected, and  I sincerely hope she is not, middle class taxes will go through the roof to pay for  her universal health proposal.

And *I* was accused of trolling!?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jeanette on October 20, 2019, 01:05:03 PM
Harvard Law's first woman of color.... "Elizabeth Warren".....???????!!!!!!! What a joke. If she  were ever to be  elected, and  I sincerely hope she is not, middle class taxes will go through the roof to pay for  her universal health proposal.

And *I* was accused of trolling!?

Petster is not a troll. Neither are you, nor were you IMO trolling when you posted an article you found worthy of discussing. For the record, I too have received an email similar to what you received. We all know who trolls on this site and we ALL KNOW it is not going to stop. Don't feel defeated. There are plenty of other social media options out there should it come to that.

Some people have no sense of humor. Some people are mean. Some people are not self aware. Smart people see through it all. Carry on, now, neighbor.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on October 20, 2019, 11:45:27 PM
One thing I will say for Bernie is at least he generally believes the things he says.  I think his ideas are bad, but he is consistent for whatever that is worth.  In my opinion Warren and Beto are so transparent in their self-interest that they will say anything they think  you want to hear in order to get the goods.  I have a hard time understanding how everybody doesn't have the same conclusion about those two.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on October 21, 2019, 01:45:44 AM
Harvard Law's first woman of color.... "Elizabeth Warren".....???????!!!!!!! What a joke. If she  were ever to be  elected, and  I sincerely hope she is not, middle class taxes will go through the roof to pay for  her universal health proposal.

And *I* was accused of trolling!?

Petster is not a troll. Neither are you, nor were you IMO trolling when you posted an article you found worthy of discussing. For the record, I too have received an email similar to what you received. We all know who trolls on this site and we ALL KNOW it is not going to stop. Don't feel defeated. There are plenty of other social media options out there should it come to that.

Some people have no sense of humor. Some people are mean. Some people are not self aware. Smart people see through it all. Carry on, now, neighbor.

Thank you
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on October 21, 2019, 02:04:57 AM
One thing I will say for Bernie is at least he generally believes the things he says.  I think his ideas are bad, but he is consistent for whatever that is worth.  In my opinion Warren and Beto are so transparent in their self-interest that they will say anything they think  you want to hear in order to get the goods.  I have a hard time understanding how everybody doesn't have the same conclusion about those two.

I do not see why you say that Warren is "so transparent in [her] self-interest." Please explain.  She deals with economic issues and how 90% of us are being taken advantage of.

I see AOC and Bernie as clowns. (oh, shudder, such troll words.) They are all talk and will never get anything done. What legislation will they ever get passed? He has been in politics for decades. What has he done besides talk?  [AOC is so wonderful. She has many twitter followers. LOL. BTW, I voted for her.]

I remember when Bernie became an independent. I sent him some money. He sent me a copy of his book, which I did not ask for. I saw it as a ploy for him to personally get my money that I sent for his campaign. They all have their underhanded dealings.

If Bernie is a choice in Nov 2020, I will vote for him.

Early Hillary was sincere [I guess.]  Late Hillary was an embarrassment. She never should have been nominated.

Beto is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on October 21, 2019, 02:08:54 AM
The other day I went to Smithtown. I was in a supermarket called Uncle Giuseppes Marketplace . I was flabbergasted. The stores around here are so bad. I can not believe that a small Target is even an issue.

The neighborhood is very diverse, obviously. Not everyone is poor, especially in the co-op areas. There is not room for better stores [like what was here in the past] ? [Target is not even a "better" store.]
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on October 21, 2019, 07:33:37 AM
No Trader Joe’s, Wegmans etc... Any time a piece of land becomes available, politicians scramble for the city to buy it to build a school or a park. God forbid that someone builds new housing, a new grocery store or a car dealership. The Sports Authority location would of been great for a grocery store. It would created jobs and pay millions in taxes. It is now going to be a 3000 student high school. What a traffic nightmare that will be! The state of housing in the area is horrible. If you go to any open house you realize that many people in CB 3 live in outdated,  crowded  and poorly maintained houses or apartments. I am surprised we don’t have more deadly fires given all the illegal basements. So when Target wants to open a new clean store, politicians (via these organizations) run to court to file frivolous lawsuits. You can’t make this up.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JH3525 on October 21, 2019, 08:43:13 AM
I recently read an article that Michael Bloomberg may enter the 2020 race if Biden quits.  What are your thoughts about this possibility. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on October 21, 2019, 09:00:06 AM
I recently read an article that Michael Bloomberg may enter the 2020 race if Biden quits.  What are your thoughts about this possibility.

After Trump gutted the government, Bloomberg can sell the carcass to his friends.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on October 21, 2019, 12:03:25 PM
No way that the new socialist Democrat Party would back a billionaire.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Alfster on October 21, 2019, 02:45:31 PM
No Trader Joe’s, Wegmans etc... Any time a piece of land becomes available, politicians scramble for the city to buy it to build a school or a park. God forbid that someone builds new housing, a new grocery store or a car dealership. The Sports Authority location would of been great for a grocery store. It would created jobs and pay millions in taxes. It is now going to be a 3000 student high school. What a traffic nightmare that will be! The state of housing in the area is horrible. If you go to any open house you realize that many people in CB 3 live in outdated,  crowded  and poorly maintained houses or apartments. I am surprised we don’t have more deadly fires given all the illegal basements. So when Target wants to open a new clean store, politicians (via these organizations) run to court to file frivolous lawsuits. You can’t make this up.

"Car Dealerships?"  Are you kidding?  There is no place for such relics of an ancient form of transportation.  We need more electric busses, bus and bike lanes.  The age of private car ownership is coming to an end.  We need more zipcars if anything and citibike availability. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JHALUM on October 21, 2019, 03:02:12 PM


Car ownership in the city is increasing not decreasing.  As subways and buses become more crowded or unreliable i think that trend will continue.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 21, 2019, 03:29:28 PM


Car ownership in the city is increasing not decreasing.  As subways and buses become more crowded or unreliable i think that trend will continue.


this is true, and it baffles me, particularly if the figures in this story are legit -- $15K per year? really?

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2018/10/03/car-ownership-continues-to-rise-under-mayor-de-blasio/
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JHALUM on October 21, 2019, 04:11:23 PM
What is the $15K per year I didn't see it in the article you linked?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: theplanesland on October 21, 2019, 08:17:27 PM
The neighborhood is very diverse, obviously. Not everyone is poor, especially in the co-op areas. There is not room for better stores [like what was here in the past] ? [Target is not even a "better" store.]

We've gone down this discussion road before, but here goes. Retail rents in JH are extremely high. Retail planners look at JH and see, statistically, a relatively impoverished neighborhood compared to much of the rest of NYC, because the co-op population is a minority in the area. The rents and the statistics that you get out of retail-planning GIS systems don't match up and so higher end chains don't come in. The result is that you mostly get local small businesses where the site planning is not happening hundreds of miles away in front of a computer screen, especially ones who have a personal, family, or ethnic relationship with the local landlords and so can argue for a break based on personal connections. Maybe an actual small-business owner, like Dudley, can comment further.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 21, 2019, 08:48:18 PM
What is the $15K per year I didn't see it in the article you linked?

wrong link. i will find the right one. maybe admins can delete?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 21, 2019, 08:49:46 PM
No way that the new socialist Democrat Party would back a billionaire.

why not? the evangelical republicans backed an adulterous Democrat and elected him president.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 31, 2019, 04:18:27 PM
2/3 of the Senate must vote to impeach a president, right?

I'm not seeing the numbers stack up for an impeachment by the Senate.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on October 31, 2019, 05:14:15 PM
that's why it's never happened.

not to johnson, not to nixon, not to clinton. that didn't stop the process from going forward. morality matters.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on October 31, 2019, 07:51:44 PM
The number of moral politicians out there can probably be counted on the fingers of one hand.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 31, 2019, 10:54:46 PM
My prediction is that when the Senate votes no to impeachment, the president will use that as a huge PR coup that he survived "persecution" by the Democrats.

We are all well aware of the playbook by now...

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on November 01, 2019, 10:24:23 AM
you're absolutely correct about the playbook, but at this point, i don't know how much it matters. people have chosen sides already. it's like Yankees/Red Sox or pineapple on pizza, there's not going to be much movement. it's just a matter of how ugly it gets.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 01, 2019, 11:03:36 AM
Besides creating even more entrenched ugliness, which is pointless,  I believe the whole impeachment process won't change a thing.

The rules of the game were permanently upended by the President in 2016.

The President doesn't care in the least that folks want him impeached.  These issues are like water off a duck's back.

Previous Presidents had a sense of "shame" or something like that.

The new man in the top office doesn't.

We need a unifying leader to emerge.  And there ain't one. Not on either the Democrat or the Republican sides.



Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on November 01, 2019, 01:46:18 PM
that's why it's never happened.

not to johnson, not to nixon, not to clinton. that didn't stop the process from going forward. morality matters.

It believe it would have happened to Nixon.  That's why he resigned.  He knew they had enough votes to convict. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on November 01, 2019, 04:07:43 PM
Sometimes I wish everything in Congress required a 2/3 majority.  If a new law, bill, or rule isn't good enough to capture a supermajority then perhaps it's less beneficial or generally acceptable to the population than its proponents assume.  This would also force both parties to compromise and work with each other or they will accomplish nothing, and hopefully then voted out of office.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on November 01, 2019, 07:08:59 PM
I believe there are some big things that require 60 votes in the Senate to pass, though I'm not certain what the Senate rules are on that.  Personally, I believe "the rules" in the House and the Senate need to be addressed.  Seems to me the party in power is sometimes able to change or manipulate rules to suit their needs.  Also, why does the Senate Majority Leader have so much power?  Able to bring up votes on the floor.....or not.  These rules need to be addressed with fairness, instead of power, leading the way. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: buzz on November 02, 2019, 10:40:30 AM
The state of housing in the area is horrible. If you go to any open house you realize that many people in CB 3 live in outdated,  crowded  and poorly maintained houses or apartments. I am surprised we don’t have more deadly fires given all the illegal basements. So when Target wants to open a new clean store, politicians (via these organizations) run to court to file frivolous lawsuits. You can’t make this up.
This target deal was done behind the backs of the community.  Then once Target got it they wanted more. Guess who was behind this "transparent" deal? The same candidate whom stole the election:
https://jacksonheightspost.com/katz-approves-rezoning-application-for-13-story-building-on-82nd-street
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: buzz on November 02, 2019, 10:42:09 AM
We are the most generous country when it come to accepting a high number of legal immigrants into our country and the most compassionate when it comes to giving aid.  If your own house is not in order, don't invite company.
We are even more generous when it comes to selling war.  The reason we have so many people from Central America coming here is the 50 plus years of propping up dictatorships in these countries.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 25, 2019, 08:56:51 AM
I have been watching some of the impeachment proceedings and it's becoming pretty obvious that something fishy happened. Some quid pro quo situation.

However, one question lingers. Why on earth was Hunter Biden on a Ukrainian Gas Company board?

The only reason I can imagine is an attempt by the company to influence his father, the Vice-President and thus US policy.

I mean, no one has ever approached me to be on a Ukrainian Gas Company board and paid me $50K a month. I suppose my father needs to be elected Vice-President first.

The only answer to the question I am posing about Hunter Biden is that "no corruption was found". But the optics look very bad. Boards on companies exist to advise the organization. And who knows what conversations go on between a father and son @ Thanksgiving dinners etc?

I always say two wrongs don't make a right.

And, at the moment, my observation of the entire impeachment brouhaha is that two wrongs happened. One on each side...

So I am looking forward to far more clarity concerning why Hunter Biden was on a Ukrainian Gas Board and paid $50K a month. Was he there for for his genius guidance? Or simply because of "dear ol' Dad" and the chance to influence US policy..?

I suppose we will hear more about this when the impeachment moves to the Senate. (And, I figure, gets defeated as the numbers aren't there to impeach.)

So, in my mind, what I really see, currently, is that no side has squeaky clean hands in this messy matter of a Presidential impeachment.



 









Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on November 25, 2019, 09:09:30 AM
And i hope we get more clarity about how White House employee Ivanka Trump is able to run a dizzying number of sweatshops across China, producing items that are imported to the U.S. sans tariffs -- not to mention how she got the Saudi royal family to kick a $100 million donation to her "foundation."

Also of interest, Eric and Junior breaking ground on a massive resort in Dubai (where the government has its hand in all such projects)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-18/first-sons-donald-jr-eric-anoint-plush-trump-dubai-golf-resort

And your tax dollars going to help the Trump oRganization expand in South America.
https://upolitics.com/news/eric-trumps-trip-to-uruguay-trump-resort-costs-taxpayers-100000-for-security-support/

And a little look into how you paid for Don Junior to pimp his dad's brand in Indonesia.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-jr-visits-indonesia-to-tout-new-resorts-and-defend-his-father/2019/08/13/102ced5c-bdd0-11e9-aff2-3835caab97f6_story.html

Those hearings should be packed with fun!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 25, 2019, 09:46:33 AM
And i hope we get more clarity about how White House employee Ivanka Trump is able to run a dizzying number of sweatshops across China, producing items that are imported to the U.S. sans tariffs -- not to mention how she got the Saudi royal family to kick a $100 million donation to her "foundation."

Also of interest, Eric and Junior breaking ground on a massive resort in Dubai (where the government has its hand in all such projects)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-18/first-sons-donald-jr-eric-anoint-plush-trump-dubai-golf-resort

And your tax dollars going to help the Trump oRganization expand in South America.
https://upolitics.com/news/eric-trumps-trip-to-uruguay-trump-resort-costs-taxpayers-100000-for-security-support/

And a little look into how you paid for Don Junior to pimp his dad's brand in Indonesia.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-jr-visits-indonesia-to-tout-new-resorts-and-defend-his-father/2019/08/13/102ced5c-bdd0-11e9-aff2-3835caab97f6_story.html

Those hearings should be packed with fun!

All these wrongs, from Biden's to Trump's...are bad. And never right.

I believe that if Trump's objective was to take down Biden as his Democrat opponent in 2020...he will succeed in his mission. Biden is sunk.

And ironically, the impeachment process itself has helped that occur.



Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on November 25, 2019, 12:23:57 PM
Of course, when you have nothing to hide you welcome transparency.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on November 25, 2019, 02:43:23 PM
Of course, when you have nothing to hide you welcome transparency.

hey, we agree on something! :)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: deja on November 25, 2019, 04:42:07 PM
That would be no one ever in politics.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on November 25, 2019, 05:03:10 PM
that's what made America what it is today. and what it was 50 years ago. and 100. and 150 and ......
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 01, 2020, 08:52:27 AM
2/3 of the Senate must vote to impeach a president, right?

I'm not seeing the numbers stack up for an impeachment by the Senate.

And thus it came to pass...

The president, it appears, is clearly teflon coated....
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on February 01, 2020, 11:34:24 AM
[speaking to House Democrats] This is what happens when you allow blue checkmarks on Twitter to take over your partiy's politics... a complete disengagement from reality.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 01, 2020, 11:59:36 AM
[speaking to House Democrats] This is what happens when you allow blue checkmarks on Twitter to take over your partiy's politics... a complete disengagement from reality.

16,000 lies and counting -- and some still bow and scrape. in Iowa the other night, Dear Leader asked the minions to raise their hands and say "I pledge allegiance to Donald Trump." thousands of them did, sealing their fate forever.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 01, 2020, 02:31:17 PM
Forever? No.

Eventually when it all crumples into a heap, as populist movements always do...those who pledged will pretend they didn't. The same happened with the followers of disgraced television evangelists in the past in the USA. After their downfall.

I believe Mr Trump has a lot in common with the television Evangelist phenomenon of the 1980s.
He demonizes the "other" (Democrats in this case) in a similar way they did.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 01, 2020, 03:18:54 PM
but they (the televangelists) are all still around and still raking in millions from the rubes. Pat Robertson says that i, personally, am responsible for the coronavirus as well as all the hurricanes that have hit the U.S. in the past few years, and he gets applause (and white house invitations) for it. Jim Bakker is making millions selling doomsday rations to those who believe that Trump is a gift from God. they didn't collapse, they're doing fine.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 01, 2020, 03:55:49 PM
I am optimistic about our future here in the USA.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 01, 2020, 06:55:07 PM
I’m optimistic also, as long as Trump wins in 2020, and any Trump wins in 2024
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 01, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
I’m optimistic also, as long as Trump wins in 2020, and any Trump wins in 2024

maybe Fred Junior. he's due to come back from the dead to avenge his murder at the hands of his brother.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 02, 2020, 09:59:25 AM
I’m optimistic also, as long as Trump wins in 2020, and any Trump wins in 2024

Maybe Tiffany Trump?   The black sheep Trump who is about to marry her Arabic- Nigerian-Lebanese boyfriend!

I believe a big reason the impeachment isn't happening is that, alas, no matter how often we are told not to think about it...the fact Biden's son was hired for many $$$'s by a dodgy Ukrainian company will always be fishy.  In everyone's mind. Almost equally as suspect as what Trump definitely did do...

Mr Trump has accomplished his mission to besmirch Biden's bid. 



Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 02, 2020, 10:04:11 AM
Or maybe the reason was because there was no crime committed?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 02, 2020, 10:08:36 AM
But I was thinking more along the lines of Eric, Donald Junior or Ivanka. Any of them will have lots of experience over the next four years and run this country better than anybody I suspect
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 02, 2020, 10:13:46 AM
But I was thinking more along the lines of Eric, Donald Junior or Ivanka. Any of them will have lots of experience over the next four years and run this country better than anybody I suspect

I say...Vote for Tiffany Trump and her Arabic-Lebanese-Nigerian partner for Presidental couple in 2024!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 02, 2020, 10:15:29 AM
A tough task, since only the Saudis will be allowed in the country under the new rules.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 02, 2020, 10:52:08 AM
Dodgy Ukrainian company, or doggy VICE PRESIDENT?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 02, 2020, 11:06:30 AM
But I was thinking more along the lines of Eric, Donald Junior or Ivanka. Any of them will have lots of experience over the next four years and run this country better than anybody I suspect

and Ivanka could put America's eight-year-olds to work in sweatshops the way she does in the countries we're "not doing business with."
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on February 02, 2020, 02:08:55 PM
2020 is going to be hilarious to watch.  I'm just here for the popcorn.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 02, 2020, 02:40:38 PM
Dodgy Ukrainian company, or doggy VICE PRESIDENT?

Woof!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 02, 2020, 02:43:40 PM
2020 is going to be hilarious to watch.  I'm just here for the popcorn.

i agree. i envision military intervention to drag them out.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on February 02, 2020, 03:28:54 PM
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2/3 of the Senate must vote to impeach a president, right?

No, impeachment is what the House did. Impeachment is analogous to an indictment in criminal court. The House votes to impeach, the Senate handles the "trial." Trump has already been impeached.

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Or maybe the reason was because there was no crime committed?

The Senate Republicans haven't been suggesting Trump didn't do what he's accused of doing. Their argument is they don't think it warrants removing him from office and that we should let the electorate make that decision come November. The facts support that Trump abused the power of his office by trying to pressure a foreign government (by withholding Congressional mandated aid) to announce an investigation in to a political rival for political gain. That's the very sort of thing the framers had in mind with the phrase "high crimes and misdeameanors."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/what-does-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors-actually-mean/600343/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/what-does-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors-actually-mean/600343/)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 02, 2020, 03:58:50 PM
 The facts do not support what you are saying. There was no high
crimes and misdemeanors committed. No need to add a link to the Fake News. The facts are the facts, no matter what kind of spin the Dems put on it.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 02, 2020, 04:08:06 PM
The facts do not support what you are saying. There was no high
crimes and misdemeanors committed. No need to add a link to the Fake News. The facts are the facts, no matter what kind of spin the Dems put on it.

even Donnie Depends' most ardent supporters in the Senate admit he's committed those acts. no need to attempt to deny it if they've admitted it. carry on now.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 02, 2020, 04:12:53 PM
They are exactly that, ACTS, not crimes. Read the transcript! Next...
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on February 02, 2020, 04:14:09 PM
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The opposite of facts are the alternative facts

FIFY

Quote
They are exactly that, ACTS, not crimes. Read the transcript! Next...

You misunderstand what impeachment is. It's not a criminal indictment. High crimes and misdemeanors, as the Constitutional framers intended, includes abuses of power that arise from holding office. It's been proven Trump abused his power. The facts aren't in question. The Senate Republicans aren't making the argument that what he did was peachy keen and a-okay. They'll vote against conviction not because Trump was acting appropriately. They'll vote against conviction with the argument that it doesn't rise to the level of removal from office. Didn't you read Lamar Alexander's statement?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 02, 2020, 04:32:46 PM
Been proven by who? The Dems? By your thinking, past Presidents, meaning all of them, have withheld aid at some point. Wasn’t a crime than, was it?  Trump 3, Dems 0
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 02, 2020, 05:10:09 PM
Quote
2/3 of the Senate must vote to impeach a president, right?

No, impeachment is what the House did. Impeachment is analogous to an indictment in criminal court. The House votes to impeach, the Senate handles the "trial." Trump has already been impeached.

Quote
Or maybe the reason was because there was no crime committed?

The Senate Republicans haven't been suggesting Trump didn't do what he's accused of doing. Their argument is they don't think it warrants removing him from office and that we should let the electorate make that decision come November. The facts support that Trump abused the power of his office by trying to pressure a foreign government (by withholding Congressional mandated aid) to announce an investigation in to a political rival for political gain. That's the very sort of thing the framers had in mind with the phrase "high crimes and misdeameanors."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/what-does-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors-actually-mean/600343/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/what-does-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors-actually-mean/600343/)

Alas, before our very eyes, Mr Trump has managed to make his impeachment into a badge of honor.  He's proud of it.

Folks are saying that there will always be the black mark of impeachment on his presidency but for some reason they can't really see that Mr Trump takes it as an indication and test of his strength...
 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 02, 2020, 05:23:15 PM
He can’t be impeached if their was no crime. Have Prof. Dershowitz explain it to you.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 02, 2020, 05:26:35 PM
 
He can’t be impeached if their was no crime. Have Prof. Dershowitz explain it to you.

Woof!  8)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on February 02, 2020, 06:25:12 PM
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He can’t be impeached if their was no crime.

You keep using that word. I don't think you know what it means.

Trump has already been impeached. It happened. The U.S. House of Representatives impeached him. It's an historical fact. He could be convicted too, if the Senate were to vote that way. You really slept your way through U.S. Civics, huh?

Quote
Been proven by who? The Dems?

By Trump. The "transcript" of the perfect call proved it. He admitted it as well.

Quote
By your thinking, past Presidents, meaning all of them, have withheld aid at some point. Wasn’t a crime than, was it?

Clearly you can't follow my not-at-all-complicated-thinking-to-those-with-critical-thinking-skills. Withholding aid on it's face isn't the issue. It's withholding it for personal gain that's the issue. That's an abuse of power.

You continue to fail to understand that "high crimes and misdemeanors" isn't a reference to the criminal code.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 02, 2020, 06:41:33 PM
But there was no personal gain, so no crime, so no impeachment, which is why there was no witnesses.  I don’t think you understand, listen to Professor Dershowitz, I think he’s a little smarter than you
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: itsit on February 02, 2020, 07:46:49 PM
Yup, impeachment already happened. Ship sailed, milk spilled, water under the bridge. History was made for the orange Trumpy-dumpy, Mr Creamsicle himself.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on February 03, 2020, 11:22:19 AM
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But there was no personal gain, so no crime, so no impeachment, which is why there was no witnesses.

Again, that Trump was impeached is a fact. The House voted for impeachment, therefore he's been impeached. You should look up what that word means if you're going to keep using it. There are no witnesses because the Senate, which handled the trial that occurs once there has been an impeachment, voted against allowing witnesses. The Senate could not have done so had impeachment not occurred.

Whether or not there was an actual personal gain is irrelevant, just like it's a ridiculous and wholly without merit defense to argue if a mugger pulls a gun on you but fails to get any money or items of value from you therefore no crime was committed against you. Being incompetent at abusing power doesn't mean we overlook the intent and effort to abuse power.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on February 04, 2020, 12:26:45 AM
And all this impeachment will soon end in acquittal on Wednesday. Well that was all a big waste of time. When Bernie finally wins the nomination, Trump will steam roll him up in November. It will be the most entertaining election.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 04, 2020, 07:32:58 AM
It is relevant if there was a personal gain. That is what this whole thing was about. The Dummycrats say He was doing this for his own personal gain which was proven unfounded. Trump 3 Dems 0
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 04, 2020, 07:42:55 AM
I don’t think it  can get any more entertaining than the last election LOL
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 04, 2020, 09:06:08 AM
And we're on our way. Iowa...hmmm....Disaster.

My observation...The fact is, it is true that Mr Trump is apparently outmaneuvering the Dems at every juncture.

And, unfortunately, that's not a good thing...

We Dems appear to lack the "street-smarts" that Mr Trump revels in.

C'mon Democrats we need to raise our game... In ideology we're great. In practicality (real life)...we're definitely stumbling...
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on February 04, 2020, 10:45:16 AM
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The Dummycrats say He was doing this for his own personal gain which was proven unfounded.

If by proven unfounded you mean proven to be the case and agreed to by even Senate Republicans, than yes, that's correct.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 04, 2020, 12:02:47 PM
And we're on our way. Iowa...hmmm....Disaster.

My observation...The fact is, it is true that Mr Trump is apparently outmaneuvering the Dems at every juncture.

And, unfortunately, that's not a good thing...


his minions could easily have rigged this to fail, you are correct. we have to learn to commit illegal acts in order to win. there are more of us, we're more educated, it should be a snap.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 04, 2020, 12:08:22 PM
Insinuations of blaming others and paranoia and arrogance don't help.

Dems need to take responsibility for our failures.

Like ADULTS.

Mueller: Fail.
Impeachment: Didn't work to change a thing
Iowa: Disaster
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 04, 2020, 01:08:23 PM
impeachment wasn't a failure. not a single American adult thought there would be removal from office from a Republic Party senate that announced ahead of time that they would be acquitting, and had no intention of staging a fair trial. GOP leadership literally said -- point blank -- "we will be working with the president" on an acquittal.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 04, 2020, 01:19:11 PM
Well they are not going to work against him are they?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 04, 2020, 01:55:14 PM
Smart, educated people are able to "spin" excellently.

But VERY smart, educated people are able to accept and integrate criticism and failure...in order to learn how to change themselves and improve for the better...

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: stevn on February 04, 2020, 03:26:50 PM
Well they are not going to work against him are they?

So you think a jury should coordinate with a defendant to acquit?

Our Congressional representatives pledge an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Republicans have forgotten that. They're all Trump cultists.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 04, 2020, 03:31:05 PM
Of course, when there was no crime committed for personal gain.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on February 04, 2020, 04:11:36 PM
So you think a jury should coordinate with a defendant to acquit?

Of course, when there was no crime committed for personal gain.

So you don't believe in the rule of law or the constitution. Why do you hate america? Why do you want to destroy america and turn it into a place where the powerful don't answer to a justice system?

https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment6.html

https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/overview-rule-law
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 04, 2020, 04:17:35 PM
Why was he brought up on bogus charges to begin with? 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 04, 2020, 04:27:40 PM
All in all, the entire impeachment process has proven to us, we the citizens of the USA,  that "impeachment" is a toothless tiger.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on February 04, 2020, 04:35:47 PM
Why was he brought up on bogus charges to begin with?

i) Given your rabid jackbooted inane repetition of foxnews talking points, it's unlikely we'll agree the charges were "bogus" (despite the reams of evidence suggesting otherwise).

2) If a trial is started (which is what the senate phase is), the constitution requires  you are judged based on evidence that is presented to the court,  by an impartial jury

......not based on "what team you're on".
----

But: abcdefghijk is right. This has shown that there need to be new, constitutional ways to check the power of a president, especially, but not limited to, one so flagrantly lawbreaking as trump.

Trial in the senate has become a completely partisan process - no prospect for a fair trial in a chamber like the senate if one side is dominant.

 The participants have hardened into "sides" rather than jurors. If you're R - you vote to acquit an R president. If you're D you vote to convict. This was all decided before evidence was presented, months and months ago.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on February 04, 2020, 05:10:54 PM
It was already a completely partisan process starting in the house.  If they're going to impeach on such a partisan basis over such flimsy charges, it's not a surprise that the other side of the process would be partisan as well.  The whole thing is a giant waste of time and resources.  Partisanship is a damn disease in this country.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 04, 2020, 05:44:01 PM
Wow. So far the election 2020 is going to be even more interesting than I figured.

Pete vs Trump!!!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 04, 2020, 06:08:14 PM
So far, some of Pete’s followers are not very happy learning about his sexual preferences
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 04, 2020, 06:34:38 PM
So far, some of Pete’s followers are not very happy learning about his sexual preferences

It's 2020. Welcome to the future. Young folks don't care. It's only a "thing" for past generations. Besides, Obama got in TWICE because  color is only a "thing" for the past generations as well.

Trump vs Pete = Old USA vs Young USA. Very interesting...
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 05, 2020, 08:57:12 AM

State of the Union

Mr Trump not shaking hands with Ms Pelosi. Ms Pelosi ripping up the speech.

Our leaders act like children.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 05, 2020, 10:53:22 AM
So far, some of Pete’s followers are not very happy learning about his sexual preferences

ONE of them. at least he's out, unlike ... well, you know.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Shelby2 on February 05, 2020, 11:13:02 AM
So far, some of Pete’s followers are not very happy learning about his sexual preferences

They were his followers and didn't know the basics about him? This has never been a secret.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 05, 2020, 11:24:00 AM
So far, some of Pete’s followers are not very happy learning about his sexual preferences

They were his followers and didn't know the basics about him? This has never been a secret.

some TV outlet found *one* woman who was unaware. i'm sure we could find eight or nine more if we scoured the entire country.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 05, 2020, 11:56:19 AM
I dare to say that most people don’t know the truth about most of the politicians
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on February 05, 2020, 02:08:12 PM
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Our leaders act like children.
Yeah it's really disconcerting.  Why should we vote for any of these creatures?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on February 05, 2020, 03:37:43 PM
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Our leaders act like children.

Narcissists are really good at bringing out the worst in other people. That way, they can point to the one time you lost it after enduring narcissistic abuse and say "now, look at how you behave! You're the problem here, not me. How can anyone have a thoughtful, reasonable, productive conversation with someone like you?"
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on February 05, 2020, 03:59:49 PM
If the state of the union is as wonderful and rosy as our dear president declares it is, why, pray tell, does he wear a permanent scowl on his face when delivering such unabashedly good news?

Makes you wonder.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 05, 2020, 09:19:26 PM
A great day for our great country. The president was acquitted. What a waste of time and money, and proved what a disgrace that Pelosi is. Congrats Mr. President
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 05, 2020, 10:18:12 PM
Quote
Our leaders act like children.

Narcissists are really good at bringing out the worst in other people. That way, they can point to the one time you lost it after enduring narcissistic abuse and say "now, look at how you behave! You're the problem here, not me. How can anyone have a thoughtful, reasonable, productive conversation with someone like you?"

Ms Nancy Pelosi is nearly 80 years old.
Mr Donald Trump is 73 years old.

These people are heading towards 100 years old. And acting like petulant 10 year olds.

No wonder suddenly Pete is looking good...Hopefully, he's young enough not to let crankiness get in his way.

I don't, for a second, put up with churlish behavior in my life. Why should I put up with it in people in power who represent me?

Actually, I can't imagine Pete doing these things. He's too disciplined. (The military) Unlike what we have.



Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 05, 2020, 10:58:11 PM
Quote
Our leaders act like children.

Narcissists are really good at bringing out the worst in other people. That way, they can point to the one time you lost it after enduring narcissistic abuse and say "now, look at how you behave! You're the problem here, not me. How can anyone have a thoughtful, reasonable, productive conversation with someone like you?"

Also, blaming someone else (even a Narcissist) for a person's behavior means the person is not taking responsibility for their own actions.  Which is exactly what a child does!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 06, 2020, 08:38:09 AM
To ISIT, LALOCEZIA, Flannel, and others interested, Impeachment is not final, it can be expunged, and most assuredly will be.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: itsit on February 06, 2020, 09:38:16 AM
To ISIT, LALOCEZIA, Flannel, and others interested, Impeachment is not final, it can be expunged, and most assuredly will be.
  Magical thinking is a comfort to many people...this ship has sailed and is permanently in the record books as having taken place. Full on asterisk*
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 06, 2020, 10:44:28 AM
Well...I suppose the one positive thing in this whole impeachment fiasco... is that by going after Biden, trying to dig up dirt there in Ukraine...Mr Trump was going after the wrong candidate. It was the wrong  call. And really was a huge waste of time and energy for Mr Trump that blew up in his face.

Biden is definitely not the Dem candidate who will face Mr Trump. And probably never was.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 06, 2020, 10:52:30 AM
As the acquittal proves, Mr. Trump doesn’t need to “go after anybody” What he’s going after is corruption in the political system that has existed without consequences from the last two occupants of the White House.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 06, 2020, 11:10:21 AM
As the acquittal proves, Mr. Trump doesn’t need to “go after anybody” What he’s going after is corruption in the political system that has existed without consequences from the last two occupants of the White House.

Naive? Or pretending to be?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on February 06, 2020, 12:08:54 PM
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Also, blaming someone else (even a Narcissist) for a person's behavior means the person is not taking responsibility for their own actions.

Spoken like someone who doesn't understand narcissism, hasn't knowingly dealt with a narcissist (incredibly manipulative people), or is a narcissist.

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Impeachment is not final, it can be expunged, and most assuredly will be.

What makes you think impeachment is like a misdemeanor conviction of a juvenile, which often can be expunged with no further problems with the law? Can you please show the the legislation that allows for impeachment to be expunged (from what? It's not a criminal record).
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 06, 2020, 12:22:31 PM
Quote
Also, blaming someone else (even a Narcissist) for a person's behavior means the person is not taking responsibility for their own actions.

Quote
Spoken like someone who doesn't understand narcissism, hasn't knowingly dealt with a narcissist (incredibly manipulative people), or is a narcissist.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

The only trick I have found for dealing with Narcissists is to COMPLETELY. IGNORE. THEM. To be as cool as a cucumber. That is their worst nightmare. Because when folks don't buy into their nonsense...in their own mind, they don't exist.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on February 06, 2020, 02:56:08 PM
^you're spot on. Or just have really, really low expectations. The problem is, you can't cut out all the narcissists in your life. And the ones you can't get rid of are often the ones that know the most about you to push your buttons in just the right way that chances are good you're going to blow up on occasion.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 06, 2020, 03:22:43 PM
^you're spot on. Or just have really, really low expectations. The problem is, you can't cut out all the narcissists in your life. And the ones you can't get rid of are often the ones that know the most about you to push your buttons in just the right way that chances are good you're going to blow up on occasion.

I do my best to avoid narcissists in my life. They waste time with their insatiable needs. Very strict boundaries are the answer to people like that.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 06, 2020, 03:51:23 PM
to directly quote the president's speech today, everything the president says is bull---t. and the president is evil.

his words. not mine.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 06, 2020, 04:05:06 PM
My prediction is that when the Senate votes no to impeachment, the president will use that as a huge PR coup that he survived "persecution" by the Democrats.

We are all well aware of the playbook by now...

And thus it came to pass. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 06, 2020, 04:36:08 PM
My prediction is that when the Senate votes no to impeachment, the president will use that as a huge PR coup that he survived "persecution" by the Democrats.

We are all well aware of the playbook by now...

And thus it came to pass.

do not believe what you see or hear from others, believe what *I* tell you.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 06, 2020, 04:50:51 PM
WooHoo
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 06, 2020, 07:10:29 PM
WooHoo

since we're quoting the classics, i'll add "bow down before the one you serve/you're going to get what you deserve."

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 06, 2020, 07:14:16 PM
We Dems need to learn our lesson. And see the truth.

Anti-Trump rhetoric doesn't work.
Trump insults don't work.
Obsession with what Trump does doesn't work.
Battling with others who have different (Red bubble) opinions doesn't work.

We need to offer someone BRILLIANT and INSPIRING to counter Trump. So that the American people, outside of our blue bubbles, will vote for them. After all, we in the blue bubbles will always vote for the Dem...

I do sincerely hope we have someone who can EXCITE the rest of America outside of our blue bubbles.
 ...in the way Mr Trump does...

Otherwise...
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 06, 2020, 08:09:57 PM
Your ship has sailed a long time ago....it’s not something brilliant or inspiring or even exciting the American people want. It’s honesty, truth and justice. Something that has surely been missing in Washington the last decade. The Dems will lose because of your policy’s, plain and simple. Look at New York, California and Chicago as examples. That’s where the Dems will take the rest of the country and that’s exactly where they want  to go.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 06, 2020, 08:15:51 PM
Your ship has sailed a long time ago....it’s not something brilliant or inspiring or even exciting the American people want. It’s honesty, truth and justice. Something that has surely been missing in Washington the last decade. The Dems will lose because of your policy’s, plain and simple. Look at New York, California and Chicago as examples. That’s where the Dems will take the rest of the country and that’s exactly where they want  to go.

I'm bored of fighting...I'm listening. 

I have a thought experiment for you, Jhx. If the candidate were Truman or JFK or Roosevelt...Yes, I know they're dead and were already presidents and it's impossible...but as a thought experiment, if the Dem candidate were one of them in Nov. Would you consider voting for them instead of Trump? 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 06, 2020, 08:31:09 PM
Stupid question, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 06, 2020, 09:07:24 PM
Stupid question, I have no idea.

Ok. But not "no". Interesting...Thanks.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on February 06, 2020, 09:21:30 PM
Your ship has sailed a long time ago....it’s not something brilliant or inspiring or even exciting the American people want. It’s honesty, truth and justice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 06, 2020, 09:31:57 PM
Your ship has sailed a long time ago....it’s not something brilliant or inspiring or even exciting the American people want. It’s honesty, truth and justice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump

Surely L, you and everyone have learned, after all these years, that it is impossible to change folks' minds on this forum. I think it's time we all accepted that and worked with the reality of the situation of Red and Blue Bubbles.  After all, doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity, no?

So far, I have discovered that maybe we Dems need a Dem candidate of the caliber of a Roosevelt or JFK or Truman for the Red Bubble to even possibly consider that candidate.

It's a start. Now, do we have one on that level...Hmmm?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 07, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
The Dems will lose because of your policy’s, plain and simple. Look at New York, California and Chicago as examples. That’s where the Dems will take the rest of the country and that’s exactly where they want  to go.

Jhx, I was re-reading your response here. And am confused. New York is one of the greatest cities in the world. I am appreciative to be here. We are lucky to be here. People from all over the world flock here because it's special.

So, if the rest of the country catches up to New York's greatness...why is that a bad thing?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on February 08, 2020, 11:51:13 AM
screw those people who have restaurants or businesses with health violations. it's unamerican! Obviously these owners don’t care about the health of their customers.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kzkvaw/trump-restaurants-have-been-cited-for-hundreds-of-code-violations

https://qz.com/1612352/pools-at-trump-hotels-shut-by-health-inspectors/
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 08, 2020, 11:52:18 AM
I guess when he opens one in Jackson Heights then we will talk about it.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 08, 2020, 12:21:20 PM
I guess when he opens one in Jackson Heights then we will talk about it.

people who patronize his places might contract something communicable and bring it back to our neighborhood. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 08, 2020, 01:01:26 PM
Yea, like common sense.....
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on February 10, 2020, 06:35:30 PM
There are lots of places in this country that are great for many different reasons.  In fact they are great because they are NOT NYC, just as NYC is great because it is not them.

Besides, I don't think the rest of the country wants to be New York, California, or Chicago (I'm sure Jhx had a typo there).  these places are ridiculed for all the right reasons.  Because, despite their many good points, they also suck hard at other points.  Ahh the duality of life.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 11, 2020, 08:05:04 AM
I did not say the rest of the country wants to be in New York. I said the Democrats failed policy’s in NY, Chicago and California ( open borders, soft on crime, sanctuary city, bail reform, putting criminals and illegals before our own citizens, homelessness, fraud, years of corruption etc. ect.) is what they would like to see in place throughout the country. They cannot even count votes in Iowa do you want them to run the whole Medicaid system and a 3 trillion dollar economy? Catching up to New York’s greatness??? That ship has long sailed....
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 11, 2020, 10:06:04 AM
I did not say the rest of the country wants to be in New York. I said the Democrats failed policy’s in NY, Chicago and California ( open borders, soft on crime, sanctuary city, bail reform, putting criminals and illegals before our own citizens, homelessness, fraud, years of corruption etc. ect.) is what they would like to see in place throughout the country. They cannot even count votes in Iowa do you want them to run the whole Medicaid system and a 3 trillion dollar economy? Catching up to New York’s greatness??? That ship has long sailed....

I can't even imagine how embittering it must be to live in a city a person doesn't love and celebrate.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 11, 2020, 10:57:50 AM
Well imagine it, because I’m not alone. I was born here more than 60 years ago, so I have seen the changes. We need some Republicans running the state. The Democrats are destroying the city with their policies.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 11, 2020, 11:02:59 AM
Well imagine it, because I’m not alone. I was born here more than 60 years ago, so I have seen the changes. We need some Republicans running the state. The Democrats are destroying the city with their policies.

Sorry, man. I'll leave that kind of bitterness up to you.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 11, 2020, 12:08:27 PM
Well imagine it, because I’m not alone. I was born here more than 60 years ago, so I have seen the changes. We need some Republicans running the state. The Democrats are destroying the city with their policies.

Sorry, man. I'll leave that kind of bitterness up to you.


Well imagine it, because I’m not alone. I was born here more than 60 years ago, so I have seen the changes. We need some Republicans running the state. The Democrats are destroying the city with their policies.

I do have another question for you Jhx. I have been studying vintage TV series on Youtube. There is one called ALL IN THE FAMILY. You are the age and generation of the young son-in-law who was very liberal. How come you are Archie Bunker now? Or were you always the Archie Bunker type even when you were young?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 11, 2020, 01:04:11 PM
Well imagine it, because I’m not alone. I was born here more than 60 years ago, so I have seen the changes. We need some Republicans running the state. The Democrats are destroying the city with their policies.

the sky has been falling for almost a century, Jixxie. ever since FDR turned the US into a socialist state. we're not going back to the good old days as long as women and people of color continue to vote.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 11, 2020, 04:27:19 PM
Jhx, I was working it out.

You were young when New York was broke and there was a crack epidemic and white flight was rampant and the Bronx was burning.

Is that when you mean NY was great?

Or are you 120 years old? And you mean the Gilded Age with the Vanderbilts and JP Morgan and the Fricks and the Astors and that bunch...and that's when NY was great?

Man, you sure are confused. And confusing.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 11, 2020, 04:37:02 PM
I meant great during Republicans tenure. Not the Swamp Blasio and Coumo are swimming in.  Thank God Trump will be in control for the next 5 years. Making America Great Again
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 11, 2020, 04:57:51 PM
I meant great during Republicans tenure. Not the Swamp Blasio and Coumo are swimming in.  Thank God Trump will be in control for the next 5 years. Making America Great Again

Ok. Pretty much when the crack epidemic ruled NYC till the "Greed is Good" era.

You seem to be confused between NYC politics and Federal politics.

But you should be voting for Bloomberg.  He was a Republican when he ran NYC. During your favorite era!

I have heard that therapy is good for alleviating inner bitterness. Just saying.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 11, 2020, 05:10:22 PM
abcdefghijk:

thank you. we've had our share of run-ins, but your heart is always in the right place. and i think you've scored a TKO (to lapse into boxing parlance) here. bravo (or brava, as the case may be).
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on February 11, 2020, 09:20:40 PM
A tKO?  On a web forum?  Surely you jest.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 12, 2020, 08:30:35 AM
Unfortunately... I am well aware that any points made on this forum will NEVER change anyone's political stance even a jot.

I think this is because without their mantras and extreme black and white beliefs, people would have to face themselves. And their inner misery and unhappiness would be too much to bear.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JK resident on February 12, 2020, 10:26:39 AM
Biden is like a dead fish

https://nypost.com/2020/02/11/the-spectacular-collapse-of-joe-biden-as-democratic-frontrunner/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

Sanders will win. Mayor Mike is trying to buy his way in but I believe he will fail given the left has taken control of the Democrat party.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 12, 2020, 10:50:31 AM

Sanders will win. Mayor Mike is trying to buy his way in but I believe he will fail given the left has taken control of the Democrat party.

well, the far right took control of the Republic party a long time ago.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on February 12, 2020, 10:52:38 AM
Bloomberg is doomed ( did a billionaire really think he had a shot with all these radical Marxists hanging around the party?), and Biden is mentally gone, if his brain doesn't fall out his dentures will.  Bernie has the numbers, but I doubt he would win official nomination... DNC has that guy on a blacklist.  They'll just pad CIA Pete's numbers until they can present the appearance of a "legitimate" win.  Neither of those guys will be able to beat Trump though.  Any other last-minute candidates gonna step in the ring?  It's looking pretty hopeless for Dems.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 25, 2020, 12:20:00 PM
What an amazing turnout for our President and the gorgeous First Lady in India. Anybody else watch it?  I had no idea he was so popular in the second largest democracy. Here is to Peace  and Prosperity between these two great countries. Trump truly is a great leader. Now if we can only get them to clean up 74th St. :}
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 25, 2020, 01:38:14 PM
What an amazing turnout for our President and the gorgeous First Lady in India. Anybody else watch it?  I had no idea he was so popular in the second largest democracy. Here is to Peace  and Prosperity between these two great countries. Trump truly is a great leader. Now if we can only get them to clean up 74th St. :}

not surprising at all. the MIGA hat wearing residents are even more rabidly anti-Muslim than their counterparts here. bigots stick together.

and you'll LOVE this, jixxie.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/india-s-new-anti-muslim-law-shows-broad-allure-right-ncna1112446
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 25, 2020, 01:59:06 PM
Anything by NBC is fake news
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 25, 2020, 02:00:46 PM
Can you imagine somebody so unqualified, say, as Elizabeth Warren for example, being on that stage in front of those people Representing the United States?  Holy moly, we would be in serious trouble
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: stevn on February 25, 2020, 02:56:01 PM
Anything by NBC is fake news


What at tired argument. Fake news = counter to your curated bubble of lunacy.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 25, 2020, 03:04:10 PM
Just look at Rachel Madcow for example. Spewing her lies and conspiracy theories for the past 3 years. Truthful? I don’t think so....... Fake news, definitely
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: stevn on February 25, 2020, 03:44:34 PM
Just look at Rachel Madcow for example. Spewing her lies and conspiracy theories for the past 3 years. Truthful? I don’t think so....... Fake news, definitely

"Madcow"? Wow, I'm sorry for doubting you, perfesser. I was totally out of line. You're right. What an amazing turnout for our rapist president and his wife who he cheated on when she was pregnant. Look as he praises the fellow fascist, Modi, while pogroms of Muslims happen throughout India. Like you said, truly a great leader.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 25, 2020, 04:34:32 PM
fake news, Rachel Madcow....this is the same sort of "issue" that the so-called president shows in his disjointed, twitching speech at rallies. it's sad. but at least he has caretakers in-house for the end of his decline.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 25, 2020, 05:10:05 PM
End of his decline??? That is fake news. How about the beginning of the Trump Dynasty? Especially since he’ll be appointing 3 More Supreme Court judges in the next couple of years.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on February 25, 2020, 05:18:42 PM
do not feed the fascist troll
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 25, 2020, 05:23:18 PM
do not feed the fascist troll

thank you for the reminder. like most viruses, fascism can be quarantined and stopped.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 26, 2020, 07:27:43 AM
Anybody catch the losers at the debate last night? How anybody could want one of them to run our country is maddening. They are truly a bunch of clowns
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on February 26, 2020, 07:50:03 AM
do not feed the fascist troll
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on February 26, 2020, 09:34:56 AM
when you starve fascism, it feeds on itself and disappears.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jhx on February 26, 2020, 10:38:16 AM
Maybe you should look that word up before spewing your hatred
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: stevn on February 26, 2020, 11:19:13 AM
Maybe you should look that word up before spewing your hatred

Hey everyone. Please don't offend the fascists.  ;D
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 03, 2020, 11:37:58 PM
Socialists must lead the way and show the world how its done by divesting themselves of private property...they must share their material possessions with others. To help make equal the inequalities of the world.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 03, 2020, 11:51:22 PM
i'm willing to pool my net worth with every single person who posts here, then divvy the total up evenly.

you in?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 04, 2020, 12:05:13 AM
i'm willing to pool my net worth with every single person who posts here, then divvy the total up evenly.

you in?

It's by example that a true Socialist must prove their worth. Lip service is meaningless. Then the rest of the world might follow. The world is already too full of smoked salmon Socialists.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 04, 2020, 12:13:45 AM
I'll take that as a cut and run "no." Lol.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 04, 2020, 10:35:24 AM
from earlier in this very thread


My pals in the medical sciences tell me that there is a vaccine in the works for corona virus and that we should know by the end of April whether it is effective or not.

abcdefghijk, a poster whose posts are always a reliable source of info - reliably  and demonstrably wrong.

We did find out in April. That vaccine wasn't effective.  I see that smoked salmon Socialists seem to love to deflect.

"smoked salmon socialists"?

anti-semitic dog whistle.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 04, 2020, 01:23:32 PM
from earlier in this very thread


My pals in the medical sciences tell me that there is a vaccine in the works for corona virus and that we should know by the end of April whether it is effective or not.






abcdefghijk, a poster whose posts are always a reliable source of info - reliably  and demonstrably wrong.

We did find out in April. That vaccine wasn't effective.  I see that smoked salmon Socialists seem to love to deflect.

"smoked salmon socialists"?

anti-semitic dog whistle.

I am going to reply to D against my better judgement. And disregard all past experience with D.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_socialist


Please don't play the anti-Semitic card with another Jew. It doesn't work.


Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 04, 2020, 03:22:39 PM
from earlier in this very thread


My pals in the medical sciences tell me that there is a vaccine in the works for corona virus and that we should know by the end of April whether it is effective or not.






abcdefghijk, a poster whose posts are always a reliable source of info - reliably  and demonstrably wrong.

We did find out in April. That vaccine wasn't effective.  I see that smoked salmon Socialists seem to love to deflect.

"smoked salmon socialists"?

anti-semitic dog whistle.

I am going to reply to D against my better judgement. And disregard all past experience with D.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_socialist


Please don't play the anti-Semitic card with another Jew. It doesn't work.

Stephen Miller.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 04, 2020, 03:49:18 PM
from earlier in this very thread


My pals in the medical sciences tell me that there is a vaccine in the works for corona virus and that we should know by the end of April whether it is effective or not.






abcdefghijk, a poster whose posts are always a reliable source of info - reliably  and demonstrably wrong.

We did find out in April. That vaccine wasn't effective.  I see that smoked salmon Socialists seem to love to deflect.

"smoked salmon socialists"?

anti-semitic dog whistle.

I am going to reply to D against my better judgement. And disregard all past experience with D.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_socialist


Please don't play the anti-Semitic card with another Jew. It doesn't work.

Stephen Miller.

Stephen Miller is anti-immigrant. He is not anti-Semitic.


A "champagne Socialist" or a "smoked salmon Socialist"  or a "radical chic" ... is simply not a true Socialist...and everyone knows it.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 04, 2020, 04:32:10 PM
dog whistles.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 04, 2020, 05:53:37 PM
dog whistles.

No.  Hypocrisy fatigue.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 09, 2020, 01:04:13 PM
So it looks like the collusion delusion is over. Obama and his cronies have all been caught lying. What a waste of three years. Russian hoax, what a bunch of fools. Trump once again was right all along. Trump derangement  syndrome still lives though.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on May 09, 2020, 02:05:30 PM
Anyone have any other solutions to my $350 a month TWC bill?  I've looked into dish, but I'm not in line of sight. I have two modems, so that may have something to do with it. And that's on top of my $250 a month for my Verizon cell phone, which has 4 lines and I'm not really complaining about that, but combined its 600 a month.

How's your TWC & Verizon bill doing?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 09, 2020, 02:37:44 PM
Canceled that, too much fake news going on. Had the majority of Americans fooled for the last three years. And actually still fooling them now. Thank God we have great leadership in the White House. And this thread has nothing to do with Verizon, It should be removed
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 09, 2020, 03:12:37 PM
So it looks like the collusion delusion is over. Obama and his cronies have all been caught lying. What a waste of three years. Russian hoax, what a bunch of fools. Trump once again was right all along. Trump derangement  syndrome still lives though.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 09, 2020, 03:24:24 PM
Looks like your man Obama has been less than truthful.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 09, 2020, 04:16:47 PM
Off topic, should be flagged. Is Joe Biden still running considering Tara Reade and all?  Must SHE BE BELIEVED?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 09, 2020, 04:23:55 PM
Curious that your biggest star aoc has been quiet about Tara. Though she said Biden gets her vote. Moderators, it’s talking off topic.  Let’s get this country open. Stop locking up hair cutters, and freeing prisoners.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 09, 2020, 04:53:30 PM
Let’s start a new thread on that. This is a political commentary topic. And my original comments were about how the Obama administration were a bunch of llars trying to set up Trump.Which is proving to be true.
 How does everybody feel about Schumer and Pelosi? That’s a good topic for this thread
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 09, 2020, 05:04:06 PM
Everyone know Evelyn Farkas admitted she lied under oath. The truth is unfolding. What’s gonna happen to the opposition party?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 09, 2020, 05:14:59 PM
Let’s talk politics, that’s what this thread is. Do you think aoc will run again? She is doing such a great job ;)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on May 09, 2020, 05:17:50 PM
if you don't have internet, how are you posting here?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 09, 2020, 05:21:07 PM
By magic. Seems like Obama and Biden are gonna be in deep s—t over the Russia, Russia Russia hoax. The collusion delusion.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 09, 2020, 05:51:36 PM
And I’m curious to know what happened to the mounds of evidence against Trump that Adam Schiff says he had. Mounds. Turns out all lies. Anyway have a safe weekend everyone and make sure to vote in November
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on May 09, 2020, 06:10:50 PM
if you don't have internet, how are you posting here?

He uses the internet at work in Kiev.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 09, 2020, 06:36:30 PM
Let’s start a new thread on that. This is a political commentary topic. And my original comments were about how the Obama administration were a bunch of llars trying to set up Trump.Which is proving to be true.
 How does everybody feel about Schumer and Pelosi? That’s a good topic for this thread
i think they're among the only things keeping most of Jackson Heights from the ovens.

how do you feel about right wing politicians saying your elderly neighbors should die to keep their 401Ks solvent?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 09, 2020, 06:38:30 PM
By magic. Seems like Obama and Biden are gonna be in deep s—t over the Russia, Russia Russia hoax. The collusion delusion.

i thought the moderators banned you in April.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 09, 2020, 09:00:40 PM
How do you feel about Cuomo sending sick patients into nursing homes? That’s the worst thing to do imaginable. Nothing makes me happier than watching election night 2016. Can you imagine if Clinton had won?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 09, 2020, 11:41:13 PM
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Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 10, 2020, 08:32:14 AM
I think come election time in November, when Trump is reelected, and it’s 4more years, he will have the opportunity to appoint 2 More Supreme Court judges. Let’s keep this country going in the right direction. It’s a new day, ppl, vote in Nov.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on May 10, 2020, 03:16:17 PM
Pretty shocking news.  Wonder if we"ll hear from Judge Sullivan by  tomorrow? It's undeniably the intelligence agencies framed General Flynn.  This was revealed in the FBI notes. "What is our goal here? Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired"   Peter Strzok kept the investigation open just as the FBI was shutting it down because there was no evidence. Part of his insurance policy.  The FBI never even interviewed Flynn  because there was no evidence. There is even a suggestion that this went straight up to the White house. This is what happens when the intelligence agencies become politicized. Pretty much of a disgrace given the fact that Flynn served 30 years of  service to his country.  To knowingly fabricate a lie and ruin some ones life, IMHO,  is pretty low
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 10, 2020, 05:48:29 PM
criminals always attack law enforcement. John Gotti did it for decades. he died on a prison cot, alone and afraid. a happy ending for all good citizens. we will get the same results with this entire crime family. have faith in America. Blue Lives Matter. and so on.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 10, 2020, 10:12:13 PM
Exactly, except now the crime family are the Clintons. Don’t you get it? TDS is real.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 10, 2020, 11:30:35 PM
Exactly, except now the crime family are the Clintons. Don’t you get it? TDS is real.

it certainly is. and some of his supporters on this board have stage six.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: hfm on May 12, 2020, 11:43:06 PM
Pretty shocking news.  Wonder if we"ll hear from Judge Sullivan by  tomorrow? It's undeniably the intelligence agencies framed General Flynn.  This was revealed in the FBI notes. "What is our goal here? Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired"   Peter Strzok kept the investigation open just as the FBI was shutting it down because there was no evidence. Part of his insurance policy.  The FBI never even interviewed Flynn  because there was no evidence. There is even a suggestion that this went straight up to the White house. This is what happens when the intelligence agencies become politicized. Pretty much of a disgrace given the fact that Flynn served 30 years of  service to his country.  To knowingly fabricate a lie and ruin some ones life, IMHO,  is pretty low

Yeah, that's why he confessed to a crime that he DID commit. Twice.

Justice Dept is a sham arm of the Trump admin at this point. So long America.

Putin got everything he paid for, United States no longer respected in the world. No one will look at us and listen any longer after this last few months of sheer idiocy, ineptitude and corruption.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 13, 2020, 09:20:38 AM
Pretty shocking news.  Wonder if we"ll hear from Judge Sullivan by  tomorrow? It's undeniably the intelligence agencies framed General Flynn.  This was revealed in the FBI notes. "What is our goal here? Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired"   Peter Strzok kept the investigation open just as the FBI was shutting it down because there was no evidence. Part of his insurance policy.  The FBI never even interviewed Flynn  because there was no evidence. There is even a suggestion that this went straight up to the White house. This is what happens when the intelligence agencies become politicized. Pretty much of a disgrace given the fact that Flynn served 30 years of  service to his country.  To knowingly fabricate a lie and ruin some ones life, IMHO,  is pretty low

Yeah, that's why he confessed to a crime that he DID commit. Twice.

Justice Dept is a sham arm of the Trump admin at this point. So long America.

Putin got everything he paid for, United States no longer respected in the world. No one will look at us and listen any longer after this last few months of sheer idiocy, ineptitude and corruption.

In all the documentaries and books I have read, it appears things were pretty bad under Nixon. Both politically and on a societal level. And we recovered from that.

I figure the future politically will get back on track.

The economy however will be forever changed due to Covid-19. Working decentralized and remotely will be the future.

So a major center like NYC will no longer need to be the magnet it is.

Plus if COVID-19 becomes endemic, and there's no fix for it...there goes the tourism industry.

I am imagining now that Amazon must be laughing. It dodged a bullet by not creating an LIC campus. The campus will now be online. Just like many, many other industries.





Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Jeffsayyes on May 13, 2020, 09:43:37 AM
Pretty shocking news.  Wonder if we"ll hear from Judge Sullivan by  tomorrow? It's undeniably the intelligence agencies framed General Flynn.  This was revealed in the FBI notes. "What is our goal here? Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired"   Peter Strzok kept the investigation open just as the FBI was shutting it down because there was no evidence. Part of his insurance policy.  The FBI never even interviewed Flynn  because there was no evidence. There is even a suggestion that this went straight up to the White house. This is what happens when the intelligence agencies become politicized. Pretty much of a disgrace given the fact that Flynn served 30 years of  service to his country.  To knowingly fabricate a lie and ruin some ones life, IMHO,  is pretty low

Yeah, that's why he confessed to a crime that he DID commit. Twice.

Justice Dept is a sham arm of the Trump admin at this point. So long America.

Putin got everything he paid for, United States no longer respected in the world. No one will look at us and listen any longer after this last few months of sheer idiocy, ineptitude and corruption.

In all the documentaries and books I have read, it appears things were pretty bad under Nixon. Both politically and on a societal level. And we recovered from that.

I figure the future politically will get back on track.

The economy however will be forever changed due to Covid-19. Working decentralized and remotely will be the future.

So a major center like NYC will no longer need to be the magnet it is.

Plus if COVID-19 becomes endemic, and there's no fix for it...there goes the tourism industry.

I am imagining now that Amazon must be laughing. It dodged a bullet by not creating an LIC campus. The campus will now be online. Just like many, many other industries.


I keep thinking that this will all be better in the long run, but idk... people really like trump. It seems like the country is too big to handle all the opinions
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 13, 2020, 10:12:46 AM
Of course people like trump, that’s why he was elected. And that’s why he will be elected again. And hopefully, Ivanka in 2024 to really “break the glass ceiling” keeping  the Trump dynasty alive.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 13, 2020, 10:22:14 AM
Of course people like trump, that’s why he was elected. And that’s why he will be elected again. And hopefully, Ivanka in 2024 to really “break the glass ceiling” keeping  the Trump dynasty alive.

Hmmm... Perhaps back to a Monarchy? Pre-1776? Should the experiment post-1776 be over?
Maybe we can ask the Queen of England to come back.
Title: to be moved
Post by: Benoit on May 13, 2020, 11:23:05 AM
Why are liquor stores considered essential? But churches are not?
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: JH3525 on May 13, 2020, 01:23:04 PM
For an alcoholic not to have access to alcohol would cause severe Alcohol Withdrawl Syndrome (AWS) a medical emergency that would require an emergency room.  This would place an additional burden on emergency rooms treating corona virus patients. 
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: JHResident on May 13, 2020, 01:48:57 PM
Why are liquor stores considered essential? But churches are not?
Church services were put on hold because they involve crowds in enclosed spaces for long periods of time. Originally, they were still open for individual prayer following social distancing guidelines. The virus is thought to follow a formula for infection risk involving the size of the virus load x length of exposure. Stores that allow people to get in and get out are less risky than stores that require extended shopping like clothing stores.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: itsit on May 13, 2020, 02:21:50 PM
  Feeling like Joe Biden is really the ticket here. He is a balm for most people in being reserved and thinking long term. The Tara Reade accusation is probably true as some kind of situation but I have doubts about the timing right now after he's been so public for so long and this seems meant to tip the scales. I still like Joe and think he's going to rally the troops. Trump's egoism has gotten to many of his supporters it seems. And giving Jared the car keys on so many issues has been profoundly stupid on his part with deadly consequences in the mismanagement of the PPE supply chain lately. Truly awful.
  There isn't any entertainment value in this stupidity.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 13, 2020, 03:45:39 PM
Of course people like trump, that’s why he was elected. And that’s why he will be elected again. And hopefully, Ivanka in 2024 to really “break the glass ceiling” keeping  the Trump dynasty alive.

Hmmm... Perhaps back to a Monarchy? Pre-1776? Should the experiment post-1776 be over?
Maybe we can ask the Queen of England to come back.

she'd only need 15 seconds to arm wrestle Trump into submission for the title :)
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: dssjh on May 13, 2020, 03:47:53 PM
most mainstream outposts of the three Abrahamic religions have been more than willing to protect their adherents. the extremists have insisted on holding gatherings, and many of those gatherings have resulted in illness or death.
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: jh_foodie on May 18, 2020, 09:52:19 AM
When does everybody think people with non essential jobs will have to return to work?
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: Songodd on May 18, 2020, 07:49:32 PM
People in Jackson Heights are horrible at social distancing!! So many are non compliant with wearing a mask!!! Some of them do not get that it’s a mask, not a chin protector.
Even worse are those talking, smoking and eating without a mask!! Nice... spew your germs everywhere!!
I’ve also seen groups of 2 and 3 people socializing in the street!!

Don’t people get it!!! This is a fierce virus....social distancing has shown to be effective!!!
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: Benoit on May 22, 2020, 02:53:00 PM
Churches, Mosques  and Synagogues , should not have been deemed non-essential, as we are finding out now. Totally unfair of the governors to open up liquor stores for alcoholics  and not churches. I’m happy that wrong got righted.
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: Shelby2 on May 22, 2020, 02:59:02 PM
Churches, Mosques  and Synagogues , should not have been deemed non-essential, as we are finding out now. Totally unfair of the governors to open up liquor stores for alcoholics  and not churches. I’m happy that wrong got righted.

Indoor gatherings are exactly where the virus spreads. So yes, they should be deemed non-essential. People can worship online. That's what members of my family who are religious are doing. Liquor stores don't cause this type of spread because stores limit the number of shoppers and people are in and out.

Here's a report by the CDC from today https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6920e2.htm

Summary
What is already known about this topic?

Large gatherings pose a risk for SARS-CoV-2 transmission.

What is added by this report?

Among 92 attendees at a rural Arkansas church during March 6–11, 35 (38%) developed laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, and three persons died. Highest attack rates were in persons aged 19–64 years (59%) and ≥65 years (50%). An additional 26 cases linked to the church occurred in the community, including one death.
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: Benoit on May 22, 2020, 03:12:09 PM
Guidelines have been released today for the safe opening of religious organizations. They should be followed like any other business. They don’t allow many people to a liquor store or supermarket, they will do the same with the church. It is the first amendment. And I wouldn’t take one church in Arkansas to be the end-all for everything. Churches and mosques and synagogues must be reopened. And they are being opened today. If Long Island can open the bars, restaurants, and beaches, surely they can open a church. Under the safety guidelines.
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: dssjh on May 22, 2020, 03:57:53 PM
nothing has changed.

the governors have authority.

the president is powerless here.

let him try to prove otherwise.

 
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: Benoit on May 22, 2020, 04:11:35 PM
Hopefully the governors  will do the right thing, and the President will not have to fight for our first amendment rights
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: petster on May 22, 2020, 05:35:07 PM
No..... the governors do NOT have the authority. The people have the authority.  This is not China or Hong Kong.   It's "We the People"  If your sick, stay home. If you go into an enclosed space, wear a mask. Waiting on line, stay six feet apart. If you can go to Home Depot, buy pot, or wait in line at some momo stand,  you can go to church.  NBS just  reported that a church resisting Corona virus restrictions was burnt down to the ground, while some idiot spray painted "Bet you stay home now you hypocrites"  In Mississippi, this church was  considered essential. They just had to abide by certain rules.   The fire is being considered as arson. Is this where we're  headed???!!!    Still,  a gym in Jersey tried to open.....using guidelines.   A message on the door from Camden County's Prosecutors Office stated  "YOU FACE UP TO SIX MONTHS IN JAIL IF YOU USE THIS GYM". Sounds like a police state.  We have constitutional  rights. The "so called" governors do not have the authority to take away those rights. We do however, have the right to vote  them out of office.
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: dssjh on May 22, 2020, 05:47:29 PM
as any conservative will tell you, the "people" do not have the authority. any conservative will tell you this is a republic, not a "democracy." we do, however, have the right to vote out dangerous leaders, and we seem likely to do so in November.

 
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: Benoit on May 22, 2020, 06:26:00 PM
You are funny. Ain’t gonna happen. But the Democrats sure do love them mail in ballots. As they were pleading guilty to mailing in many Illegal ballots.
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: dssjh on May 22, 2020, 06:45:40 PM
voter fraud is indeed rampant ... and it's all on one  side
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746800630/north-carolina-gop-operative-faces-new-felony-charges-that-allege-ballot-fraud
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on May 22, 2020, 08:59:25 PM
[Moderators Note: We will not be allowing links to Facebook or YouTube videos during this political season.  Please express your opinions with words, not links to social media platforms]

Republic yes,  not totalitarian.  I hope you do not have an elderly parent sent to an extermination cam....I mean nursing home by Cuomo. About 30%of the deaths from this virus were those of the elderly sent to nursing homes. The Washington governor, with the same information as Cuomo got it right...….Baaaaaaa, Baaaaaa, Baaaaa… follow the sheep

[Moderator's Note: And stop the taunting.  You have been warned.]
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 22, 2020, 09:37:30 PM
i'm sorry that you're so sad and angry.

[Moderator's Note: Stop the personal attacks.  You have been warned.]
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on May 24, 2020, 12:27:37 PM
Now that’s what I call projection. That I disagree with you makes me neither.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 27, 2020, 05:29:31 PM
Looks like churches are opening, along with abortion clinics and liquor stores. Perfect. Thank you President Trump.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 28, 2020, 10:37:47 AM
Some new reports out today connecting Bill Clinton to Epstein and his rape island. Thank God Hillary was not elected president.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 28, 2020, 11:11:59 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-and-trump-mar-a-lago-resort-connections
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 28, 2020, 11:26:24 AM
That’s all you got?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on May 28, 2020, 12:19:13 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 28, 2020, 12:34:57 PM
Anybody can accuse anybody of anything. Let’s see if Clinton gets convicted. And  it looks like Obama and his crew are going to be in deep s—t.  Draining the swamp!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 28, 2020, 12:46:22 PM
Anybody can accuse anybody of anything.

even Fox has abandoned the Clinton/Obama hoax. witch hunt!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on May 28, 2020, 02:25:14 PM
Quote
Looks like churches are opening, along with abortion clinics and liquor stores.

Silly rabbit, liquor stores never had to shut down!
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 28, 2020, 03:29:06 PM
the three often go hand in hand in hand.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 28, 2020, 06:49:50 PM
Back to my original post about Clinton and Epstein on the rape island. Anybody  remember Monica Lewinsky on her knees in the oval office? And Clinton lying to the entire country that he never had sex with that woman? There is a pattern.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 28, 2020, 06:55:29 PM
 reported.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 28, 2020, 08:15:54 PM
And you’re right, my point is liquor stores for alcoholics and abortion clinics were deemed essential and never shut down.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 28, 2020, 08:18:17 PM
So my political commentary is that governors and mayors have too much power in this country. They allow a coronavirus four wheeled Carvel truck to drive around, but they need abortion clinics and liquor stores open, While They insist places of worship remain closed
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 28, 2020, 08:53:55 PM
So my political commentary is that governors and mayors have too much power in this country. They allow a coronavirus four wheeled Carvel truck to drive around, but they need abortion clinics and liquor stores open, While They insist places of worship remain closed

Carvel has never operated trucks. decent adherents of the Abrahamic religions --as well as the Eastern faiths -- voluntarily suspended mass gatherings. the leaders followed teachings from above, not teachings of political expediency. I am grateful for religious leaders that care more for their followers than for the almighty dollar.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on May 28, 2020, 10:30:05 PM
Liquor stores and paid for abortion clinics  seem like the almighty dollar to me.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on May 28, 2020, 10:40:31 PM
i wouldn't know, really. if you have experiences with either that you'd like to share, please do. it's important to enlighten each other.
Title: aoc
Post by: jh35 on June 02, 2020, 03:41:23 PM
What has AOC said about the current situation? Is she for or against the riots?
Title: Re: aoc
Post by: Shelby2 on June 02, 2020, 05:20:00 PM
What has AOC said about the current situation? Is she for or against the riots?

Did you try Googling it?
Title: Re: aoc
Post by: jh35 on June 02, 2020, 05:44:05 PM
What has AOC said about the current situation? Is she for or against the riots?

Did you try Googling it?

yes, and I found nothing directly from her. There were just some wacko right wing articles about her.

Her handlers have not told her what to say yet?

I got my absentee ballot today. Are there any candidates who are relatively sensible who have a chance of winning against her?
Title: Re: aoc
Post by: KGDHP on June 03, 2020, 03:39:55 PM
What has AOC said about the current situation? Is she for or against the riots?

Did you try Googling it?

yes, and I found nothing directly from her. There were just some wacko right wing articles about her.

Her handlers have not told her what to say yet?

I got my absentee ballot today. Are there any candidates who are relatively sensible who have a chance of winning against her?

Oh, she is 100% for. She offers advice for protesters on her social media and she joined the protests in Astoria just the other day. Her IG stories generally show what she's up to.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on June 03, 2020, 04:06:15 PM
Definitely an uptick in graffiti. Not to mention all the discarded gloves and masks. My heart goes out to the homeless encampment under the BQE at 35th and 34th avenues.  We can do a hell of a lot better than that. That said, the resulting garbage, stench of  urine and feces is really a disgrace to the leadership of the community. Hope these people are given the help to help themselves.   
Title: Re: aoc
Post by: dssjh on June 03, 2020, 09:10:32 PM
What has AOC said about the current situation? Is she for or against the riots?

Did you try Googling it?

yes, and I found nothing directly from her. There were just some wacko right wing articles about her.

Her handlers have not told her what to say yet?

I got my absentee ballot today. Are there any candidates who are relatively sensible who have a chance of winning against her?

Oh, she is 100% for. She offers advice for protesters on her social media and she joined the protests in Astoria just the other day. Her IG stories generally show what she's up to.

much like the police chiefs of many cities, who've also joined marchers. she is on the side of good. and the side of good will prevail. soon.
Title: Re: aoc
Post by: jh35 on June 03, 2020, 09:33:52 PM
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Oh, she is 100% for. She offers advice for protesters on her social media and she joined the protests in Astoria just the other day. Her IG stories generally show what she's up to.
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much like the police chiefs of many cities, who've also joined marchers. she is on the side of good. and the side of good will prevail. soon.


Obviously, she favors the marchers.

I was wondering what she thought of the looting since approves of turnstile jumping, selling food illegally in the subway and people moving to foreign countries without approval. Perhaps she thinks it is ok to steal from Target but not from stores owned by immigrants.

When I was in Catholic grammar school I remember a nun telling the class that it was ok to steal from rich people.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 03, 2020, 11:13:24 PM
Jesus taught the same lesson that nun did.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on June 04, 2020, 07:24:42 AM
Notice the shift. This is gaslighting. It's also a flagrant statement that the poster does not value the U.S. Constitution and our rights guaranteed by the First Amendment.

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What has AOC said about the current situation? Is she for or against the riots?

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Oh, she is 100% for. She offers advice for protesters on her social media and she joined the protests in Astoria just the other day.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on June 04, 2020, 07:44:03 AM
Notice the shift. This is gaslighting. It's also a flagrant statement that the poster does not value the U.S. Constitution and our rights guaranteed by the First Amendment.

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What has AOC said about the current situation? Is she for or against the riots?

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Oh, she is 100% for. She offers advice for protesters on her social media and she joined the protests in Astoria just the other day.

riots=looting=stealing=breaking and entering

Don't put words in my mouth or change my meaning.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 04, 2020, 08:51:55 AM
If the Democrats win in November, this is going to be the new normal. Get used to it.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Yankswun98 on June 04, 2020, 08:57:01 AM
Definitely an uptick in graffiti. Not to mention all the discarded gloves and masks. My heart goes out to the homeless encampment under the BQE at 35th and 34th avenues.  We can do a hell of a lot better than that. That said, the resulting garbage, stench of  urine and feces is really a disgrace to the leadership of the community. Hope these people are given the help to help themselves.   

Why isn't street cleaning taking place?  I tried for months to work with politicians to clean the mess up in the western portion of JH near the BQE with no success.  This is going to take a community wide effort to clean this mess so we can have a safe and clean place to live. 

Why should residents in western JH not be able to use the 65th street station due to the filth, smell and the feeling of being uncomfortable with walking under the BQE?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on June 04, 2020, 09:39:11 AM
Definitely an uptick in graffiti. Not to mention all the discarded gloves and masks. My heart goes out to the homeless encampment under the BQE at 35th and 34th avenues.  We can do a hell of a lot better than that. That said, the resulting garbage, stench of  urine and feces is really a disgrace to the leadership of the community. Hope these people are given the help to help themselves.   

Why isn't street cleaning taking place?  I tried for months to work with politicians to clean the mess up in the western portion of JH near the BQE with no success.  This is going to take a community wide effort to clean this mess so we can have a safe and clean place to live. 

Why should residents in western JH not be able to use the 65th street station due to the filth, smell and the feeling of being uncomfortable with walking under the BQE?

Try contacting NY1. Maybe they could do a piece on it.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: CaptainFlannel on June 04, 2020, 03:06:15 PM
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riots=looting=stealing=breaking and entering

Don't put words in my mouth or change my meaning.

I didn't. The shift went from riots to protests/protesters. This is equating the two.  That was done by another poster. Why are you so sensitive to criticism of someone else's obvious gaslighting, as if it was a criticism of you?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh_foodie on June 04, 2020, 06:14:38 PM
If the Democrats win in November, this is going to be the new normal. Get used to it.

It'll be worse if Trump wins. This is the new normal either way.
Title: Re: aoc
Post by: hfm on June 04, 2020, 10:39:16 PM
What has AOC said about the current situation? Is she for or against the riots?

Did you try Googling it?

yes, and I found nothing directly from her. There were just some wacko right wing articles about her.

Her handlers have not told her what to say yet?

I got my absentee ballot today. Are there any candidates who are relatively sensible who have a chance of winning against her?

Oh, she is 100% for. She offers advice for protesters on her social media and she joined the protests in Astoria just the other day. Her IG stories generally show what she's up to.

Just a quick reminder that rioting and peaceful protesting is not the same thing. I'm sure she's for the latter.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: KGDHP on June 04, 2020, 11:28:34 PM
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riots=looting=stealing=breaking and entering

Don't put words in my mouth or change my meaning.

I didn't. The shift went from riots to protests/protesters. This is equating the two.  That was done by another poster. Why are you so sensitive to criticism of someone else's obvious gaslighting, as if it was a criticism of you?

You are literally so obsessed with the term gaslighting. It's funny.
Title: Re: aoc
Post by: KGDHP on June 04, 2020, 11:41:03 PM
What has AOC said about the current situation? Is she for or against the riots?

Did you try Googling it?

yes, and I found nothing directly from her. There were just some wacko right wing articles about her.

Her handlers have not told her what to say yet?

I got my absentee ballot today. Are there any candidates who are relatively sensible who have a chance of winning against her?

Oh, she is 100% for. She offers advice for protesters on her social media and she joined the protests in Astoria just the other day. Her IG stories generally show what she's up to.

Just a quick reminder that rioting and peaceful protesting is not the same thing. I'm sure she's for the latter.
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You're absolutely right and I actually read the original post sort of fast/wrong and totally equated the two. I do realize there's a big difference. Media shows footage of both interchangeably and the whole situation makes one's head spin to say the least.

AOC joined the protest in Astoria and offered tips to protesters on IG. Not rioters obviously. However, unless I missed a post from her...I am not sure if she publicly disavowed the looters though?  I follow her on all her platforms, but that doesn't mean I see every post.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 04, 2020, 11:48:04 PM
the term is only upsetting to someone who knows it fits.
Title: Re:
Post by: Benoit on June 06, 2020, 11:24:47 PM
Thankfully, we have  great leadership coming from the White House. It’s up to governors of each state now to take control of your destiny. Payment is coming due.
Title: Re: Re:
Post by: Benoit on June 06, 2020, 11:28:45 PM
Especially when you have A presidential candidates saying 10 to 15% of the American people are not very good. What percent is he talking about? I wonder.
Title: What's on Your Dem Primary Ballot?
Post by: Formosa on June 08, 2020, 09:29:39 AM
For those wondering, as I was, about the significance of District Leaders and its intersection with the shadowy world of Qns. party machinery, you may find the below article to be of use--

https://gothamist.com/news/queens-reformers-target-district-leader-races-as-next-step-after-aoc-and-caban

The opaque nature has led to calls for reform--

https://medium.com/@qcc4all/open-letter-to-chairperson-meeks-a23e9f792d2b

If you're interested in finding out who is running, as information on individuals is hard to obtain, this may be a good start--

https://www.newreformers.org/candidates

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on June 08, 2020, 10:21:58 AM
Meanwhile , back at the ranch....the dept. of justice is demanding that Prince Andrew be handed over to the FBI to be questioned over his connection to Jeffrey Epstein. The DOJ stated that he is formally part of a criminal investigation. How easily people forget. BTW ... Epstein didn't kill himself.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 08, 2020, 11:41:38 AM
Andrew could bring down a lot of people on both sides of the American political aisle. Everyone knows that both a former president and a current president have close ties to Epstein, and there are probably a lot more names to be named.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 09, 2020, 12:27:21 AM
Could you imagine, defund the police in Jackson Heights Corna and Elmhurst?  Whatever that means, I don’t think it would be good. But they have their agenda.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 09, 2020, 08:34:22 AM
New York is pretty much broke now after this COVID crisis.

So, everything will probably be defunded.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on June 09, 2020, 12:39:16 PM
I just saw this. The senate authorized subpoenas for FBI’s crossfire hurricane.....Aka Obamagate. I think about 50 people were on the list.  Wow...crazy. Interested to see what  happens next.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 09, 2020, 05:05:56 PM
I just saw this. The senate authorized subpoenas for FBI’s crossfire hurricane.....Aka Obamagate. I think about 50 people were on the list.  Wow...crazy. Interested to see what  happens next.

Is this obsession with Obama kinda like the birth certificate thing?
That sure was a fizzle.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 09, 2020, 05:45:41 PM
as we've seen dozens of times over the past two years, those who are subpoenaed simply refuse to show up. it's the new thing.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on June 09, 2020, 10:09:10 PM
I guess everyone thinks they’re Hilary Clinton.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 09, 2020, 10:34:19 PM
Hillary testified for eleven hours in one session and ground Trey Gowdy and the other thugs into the dirt.

let's see Dementia Donny testify for eleven minutes.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on June 10, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
He didnt take a hammer to his phone or bleach bit 36,ooo  emails. Anyone who does this is trying to hide something. Hilary Clinton is a criminal.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 10, 2020, 12:56:05 PM
and she didn't steal money from a children's cancer charity, nor was she forced to return money grifted from other charities. note: the far-left publication Forbes was on it early.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#6804d71d6b4a


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/judge-orders-trump-pay-2-million-misusing-his-foundation-n1078306
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 10, 2020, 01:18:45 PM
You are quoting Forbes, and NBC,  (Clintons biggest Doners) from four years ago? Totally irrelevant. The clintons and Obama’s are going down
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on June 10, 2020, 03:00:54 PM
"Clintons biggest Doners"

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Doner_kebab%2C_Istanbul%2C_Turkey.JPG/360px-Doner_kebab%2C_Istanbul%2C_Turkey.JPG)
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 10, 2020, 04:21:51 PM
What a disgrace that Bill Clinton did in the White House. Those poor women that he abused. Never mind impeached, he should’ve been arrested. While his wife Sat by  and let it all happen
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on June 10, 2020, 04:39:07 PM
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 10, 2020, 04:43:12 PM
And people actually still voted for her. That’s the disturbing part.
Title: Re:
Post by: sl on June 12, 2020, 10:51:34 AM
It is a good thing that the neighborhood was warned/prepared, even if nothing happened

Just look at what happened in the Bronx... it wasn't just looting but shop owners being chased and beaten

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IKkjqw3OKo

Good god, that’s terrible. Where are the protests for the Asian victims?

Mod note: moved to Political Commentary from other thread
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 12, 2020, 02:43:08 PM
What a disgrace that Bill Clinton did in the White House. Those poor women that he abused. Never mind impeached, he should’ve been arrested. While his wife Sat by  and let it all happen

at least Dementia Donny has the courtesy to bone teenagers at one of the bedbug-ridden resorts he runs -- while charging you and your family for the room (and the rooms for the secret service guys who are also forced to stay there. dear God, i hope he doesn't force them to watch).
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 12, 2020, 03:46:28 PM
Do you have the audacity to call Donald Trump dementia? Have you seen your Man Biden today? He’s got dementia, or Alzheimer’s at least. That’s the best the Democrats can come up with? That where you wanna go?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 12, 2020, 03:56:29 PM
He will have a much better chance of winning in the election if he remains in his basement.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on June 12, 2020, 04:31:11 PM
Recent brain scan of twittler

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/azQRRU1u9On6WMJlLtG7rkrqBALmWM0beUrDK7npt-m87Au-oVzW60qbvg70MI19XkhkrtSAbCu-cvxWE7qGG6q7GFBDtVIGaXkK2vCxW98k0mjHKdwbjyN7)

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 12, 2020, 07:19:00 PM
you mean his "bunker." his word. interesting that he'd choose it.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 13, 2020, 12:25:27 AM
Bunker? Every president has one. Over 30 years, Biden did absolutely nothing for anybody while he was a politician. Blame that on Trump.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 13, 2020, 12:28:43 AM
You said you were a journalist, let’s hear some news. Real news not the fake stuff.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: hfm on June 13, 2020, 11:08:47 AM
Bunker? Every president has one. Over 30 years, Biden did absolutely nothing for anybody while he was a politician. Blame that on Trump.

No, we just blame him for lying about "inspecting it" and going there "2 and a half times" (whatever that means) and not because secret service "rushed him down there" as one of his circle admitted by mistake. He's just a habitual liar and a narcissistic psychopath. It must be so tough for him and his administration to keep the massive mind map of all the lies straight, they are bound to mess up from time to time. I can't watch them tie themselves into Gordian knots any longer trying to lie about things.

I really don't get why you so fervently defend this obviously unqualified, self-aggrandizing buffoon. He cares ZERO about you or the rest of us. He only cares that you continue to pay fealty and fawn over him. That you don't see you are being conned is everything to him. I truly feel remorse for you.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 13, 2020, 12:38:28 PM
Bunker? Every president has one. Over 30 years, Biden did absolutely nothing for anybody while he was a politician. Blame that on Trump.

No, we just blame him for lying about "inspecting it" and going there "2 and a half times" (whatever that means) and not because secret service "rushed him down there" as one of his circle admitted by mistake. He's just a habitual liar and a narcissistic psychopath. It must be so tough for him and his administration to keep the massive mind map of all the lies straight, they are bound to mess up from time to time. I can't watch them tie themselves into Gordian knots any longer trying to lie about things.

I really don't get why you so fervently defend this obviously unqualified, self-aggrandizing buffoon. He cares ZERO about you or the rest of us. He only cares that you continue to pay fealty and fawn over him. That you don't see you are being conned is everything to him. I truly feel remorse for you.

Apparently, people who are more easily conned have a deep desire to believe in the "dreams" that the con artist offers.

So, reality is ignored.

That applies to everyone concerning their dreams...a con artist simply has to identify the dream, promise it...and you're like a hooked fish.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 13, 2020, 12:50:24 PM
Clinton wasn’t supposed to lose.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 13, 2020, 01:01:22 PM
Apparently, the conned person, after they are conned, will go to amazing lengths to justify their con.

Like folks who fall for email scams promising $millions.  These folks are driven to justify why the scam artist does what he/she does in order to maintain the illusion of the "dream".

Otherwise conned people have to face the reality of the promised dream being simply an empty promise.

And that is too much for a conned person to bear.



Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Matt on June 13, 2020, 02:54:43 PM
Clinton wasn’t supposed to lose.

Let's not forget that Hillary won the popular vote by 2,868,686 votes. Put another way, Hillary won 48.2% and the "reality" TV host won 46.1%. He has a broken electoral system and foreign interference in the US election to thank for his "win". If more people turned out to vote he wouldn't have had a chance which is why he is so strongly against voting by mail in this election, despite the fact that we will be voting during a global pandemic. Anything that suppresses voter turnout, helps him win.

His current approval rating is 41.1%, lower than both Obama and Bill Clinton at this point in their presidency. But he is outpacing them both with his disapproval rate of 54.6%! 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/)

I don't expect to change your opinion, but I don't think you should be so comfortable that he's got this election in the bag. He's a mess of a president and a horrible human being.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Matt on June 13, 2020, 03:11:29 PM
I was being a bit too generous. Trump's not a human being, he's a monster.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on June 14, 2020, 10:31:55 AM
Richard Grenell  has declassified information. The Steele dossier was total BS. There was nothing that was verified or substantiated and they still used it to get FISA’s to spy on the TRUMP campaign. They used the same Unverified dossier several times presenting  it to the FISA  judges as true. There was no case yet it continued. The abc agencies worked symbiotically with the MSM to push a faulty narrative. What you have now is a Weaponized  bureaucracy. Those who have spent a lifetime in government, made millions, and have done nothing are threatened that their power is being taken away.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 14, 2020, 10:38:47 AM
Cry babies. We don’t use the popular vote, so that’s irrelevant, and it’s been proven after THREE YEARS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS their was no collusion. Can’t believe you even brought that up.  AND NO quid pro quo. Trump derangement syndrome is alive and well in Jackson Heights. Pathetic
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on June 14, 2020, 10:40:59 AM
Cry babies. We don’t use the popular vote, so that’s irrelevant, and it’s been proven after THREE YEARS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS their was no collusion. Can’t believe you even brought that up.  AND NO quid pro quo. Trump derangement syndrome is alive and well in Jackson Heights. Pathetic

word for word fox news
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petster on June 14, 2020, 10:52:29 AM
BTW .... happy flag day
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 14, 2020, 01:15:59 PM
 

and pause to remember the birth anniversary of Che Guevara.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: carrefour_ny on June 14, 2020, 03:18:22 PM
Cry babies. We don’t use the popular vote, so that’s irrelevant, and it’s been proven after THREE YEARS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS their was no collusion. Can’t believe you even brought that up.  AND NO quid pro quo. Trump derangement syndrome is alive and well in Jackson Heights. Pathetic

But the results are nonetheless in: 3 1/2 years later, it's clear that the country is weaker, sicker and poorer -- and Trump still hasn't learned to make full sentences.

Also: LOOK AT THE RULES OF THIS FORUM ABOUT CAPITAL LETTERS.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 14, 2020, 05:13:00 PM
That is clearly your opinion. And most, but not all, of the people on this site. I think you are wrong on all three accounts. But that’s the syndrome.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on June 14, 2020, 07:49:18 PM
and pause to remember the birth anniversary of Che Guevara.
A black day indeed... let us all remember how extreme ideology leads to human suffering.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 14, 2020, 08:34:43 PM
That is clearly your opinion. And most, but not all, of the people on this site. I think you are wrong on all three accounts. But that’s the syndrome.

yes, i see Trump Derangement Syndrome. but fortunately, it's weak and hasn't really taken hold in more civilized areas like western Queens.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Matt on June 14, 2020, 09:47:47 PM
Benoit, I think many of us are as confused by you as you are with us. Every time trump does something insane, I think his devoted followers can't possibly continue to support him. But so many do, including you.

For you and the few others on this forum that support him, I have the following questions.

1) Why do you support trump?

2) How have you benefited from his policies?

3) Why do you live in Jackson Heights?

It seems that the very nature of our neighborhood would go against what I imagine would appeal to a trump supporter. We are one of the most diverse neighborhoods in the city, and likely the country. We have immigrants, large LatinX and Asian communities, lots of LGBTQ people, and so many different languages spoken on our streets. The people of Jackson Heights are one of the many reasons that I love our neighborhood. trump's policies marginalize myself and so many of our neighbors which is why I find him so menacing and intolerable. As horrible as his first term has been, if reelected his second term would no doubt be worse for myself, our neighbors, our city, our country, and the world. I know you won't agree so I'll add a fourth question:

4) How will a potential second term for trump benefit myself, our neighbors, our city, our country, and the world?

You're obviously not going to change my opinion and I'm obviously not going to change yours, but I am genuinely interested in your answers.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on June 14, 2020, 10:59:36 PM
"America will never be a socialist country".
It comes down to a president who has their country's interests at heart, or a president who willingly sells their country out.  This has exactly 0% to do with where you live, who you have sex with, what your native language is, or how much melanin your skin produces.  But I find discussion beyond that is rather pointless, as everyone is living in their own individual constructed realities in 2020.  We can't even agree what is real and what isn't, let alone discuss the intricacies of one political viewpoint over another.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 14, 2020, 11:54:14 PM
America has been a socialist country since a socialist named Franklin Delano Roosevelt rescued it from the near-fatal wounds inflicted by the sort of amoral oligarchs that are currently kneeling on my country's windpipe. with any luck, we remove them before my country is permanently turned into maggot food.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 15, 2020, 08:30:27 AM
My question is, I would like to know exactly what did Obama and Clinton do? For 16 years.  And why wasn’t Clinton elected. She wasn’t supposed to lose.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 15, 2020, 08:57:55 AM
Ben Ghazi isn’t insane? Monica Lewinsky isn’t it insane? Highest level of black unemployment is not insane? Wiretapping a political opponent isnt insane? Working with China behind Americas back, is not insane? The vice president son on the payroll of a Ukraine oil company? Making 50,000 a month. That’s not insane? Back handrailings with Iran? That’s not insane? Stagnant economy for 16 years? That’s not insane.  And I can go on, and on, and on. There is a huge investigation and has been for the past couple of years about Hillary Clinton, and Obama. In September, you will know a lot more. She will testify. And Obama probably will be called also. Now that all this this declassification is coming out, you will all see what liars and crooks they are. Well you will not actually see it, because main stream fake news media will never show it. They are all behind Clinton. Huge donors. It all started because she wasn’t supposed to lose. And they will do anything to get him out of office. As will her followers. They hate trump so much, that they will do anything and say anything to take him down. From the collusion, to the quid pro quo, to the supreme court hearings, why I wouldnt be surprised if this whole flu was to take him out. Dr. Fauci was working at Wuhan on this exact virus five years ago. Without permission from this country.  Do you know gates, Zuckerberg, CEO of Twitter, all huge donors to her. Which is why you only see the negative things about Trump, and nothing positive.  Fortunately  for us, his rallies are coming back, and that will stir the emotions once again. Let your man Biden hide in the basement. It’s much better for the country. And I can’t believe that is who you want to run the country. He cannot even say a sentence Without forgetting what he’s even talking about. Let him stay in the basement and sniff his wife and daughter. That’s where he belongs with the rest of the Democrats who are rallying behind him.I will always defend this country, and stand for the flag.  Go ahead to defund the police, look at Cuba, they defunded the police. Same thing with Argentina. Doesn’t matter anyway, he will win by a landslide, and Clinton will be in prison. Along with her cronies and the whole Russian collusion delusion cohorts. Bailreform? How is that working out. Do you feel safe now?  And your girl Catalina, she is saying that there is already too much police in Jackson Heights. I’ve seen many threads on this forum from people clamoring for more police presence from 78th St. and Roosevelt all along Roosevelt and look at Northern Boulevard. That’s where the Democrats are taking this country and that’s why I am for this president
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 15, 2020, 09:06:01 AM
And Matt, I know many on this forum including yourself are confused. But I cant help you with that. I wish I could. I really do.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on June 15, 2020, 09:37:37 AM
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Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 15, 2020, 01:38:42 PM
 Ben Ghazi *deserved* that Oscar for Gandhi.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Matt on June 15, 2020, 01:48:53 PM
Benoit, is it fair to summarize your response to my first question (Why do you support trump?) as a general distrust of the Clintons, Obama, Biden and anyone associated with them? That seems like a fair response although I can't say I feel the same or agree with your assessment. I definitely think it is fair and necessary to question what the motivations of politicians are. Have you ever questioned trump's?

Chingwa, It wasn't clear to me in your response who you support. Is it fair to say that you see this election as a choice between capitalism and socialism?

And what about the remainder of my questions?:

2) How have you benefited from his (trump's) policies?

3) Why do you live in Jackson Heights?

4) How will a potential second term for trump benefit myself, our neighbors, our city, our country, and the world?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 15, 2020, 01:50:13 PM
Stupid questions, and that would just be my opinion, which is meaningless. Stop watching fake news and listen to the facts
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 15, 2020, 01:52:49 PM
Anyone who still believes in the collusion delusion, I have nothing to say to them.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 15, 2020, 02:42:44 PM
It has been shown endlessly on this forum that no-one is ever convinced by others' views.
And that folks are simply interested in expressing their own particular bubble's attitudes.

If there were even one example of a person on either side of the spectrum having had their political leanings changed on this forum, I am yet to see it.

IMO, any person who is open to having their mind changed politically, deserves a medal.
No matter which side of the spectrum they sit. Because they are a unicorn!

This is an era of a person's side being all good and the opposition all bad.

Shades of grey don't seem to exist.
 

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 15, 2020, 04:02:06 PM
Anyone who still believes in the collusion delusion, I have nothing to say to them.

this has been proven false about 27 times in the past few days.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 15, 2020, 04:04:52 PM
It has been shown endlessly on this forum that no-one is ever convinced by others' views.
And that folks are simply interested in expressing their own particular bubble's attitudes.

If there were even one example of a person on either side of the spectrum having had their political leanings changed on this forum, I am yet to see it.

IMO, any person who is open to having their mind changed politically, deserves a medal.
No matter which side of the spectrum they sit. Because they are a unicorn!

This is an era of a person's side being all good and the opposition all bad.

Shades of grey don't seem to exist.

if i ever change my mind on issues like trans rights, tear-gassing civilians, supporting race-based voter suppression, women's rights and so many other things, i would hope a friend would kill me in my sleep.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Matt on June 15, 2020, 09:51:55 PM
Stupid questions, and that would just be my opinion, which is meaningless. Stop watching fake news and listen to the facts

Could it be, that you don't have answers to these questions?

How you've benefited from a president you'd like to see reelected seems a basic question.

My political leanings influenced my decision to live in Jackson Heights and the neighborhood has further influenced my political leanings. This definitely isn't the only reason I decided to live here, but it definitely played a part. People live here for all sorts of reasons and I'm curious of yours. Since this is Jackson Heights Life, I don't think it's irrelevant (aka "stupid").

How you think a second term for trump would be beneficial in a broader sense for other people and the world seems a fair question too.

You don't have to answer if you don't want to, but you're making it appear that you don't have answers by writing these off as "stupid questions". I'm genuinely interested in what you have to say.

Here's a new question: Who or what is the authority on "the facts". Where can one find these?

Also, I don't watch the news (fake or real) - I think in general the way the news on TV is covered is pretty horrible. They use fear and anxiety to keep people watching. I find this as true of CNN as it is of Fox News. It's not a political thing, it's the business. They have to keep people watching to bring in those advertising dollars.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 15, 2020, 10:16:28 PM
With all these questions, maybe you should be on Dr. Phil.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 15, 2020, 10:18:46 PM
Yeah, you still believe there was a Russian collusion. Dr. Phil for you
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Matt on June 15, 2020, 11:27:10 PM
Benoit,

Please feel free to send me a private message in response to my questions if you don't feel comfortable answering publicly. If you can't answer some basic questions about the candidate you support, one can only assume that you don't know why you support it.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 16, 2020, 12:09:17 AM
Watch his rally on Saturday, that’ll be my answer.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: hfm on June 16, 2020, 01:25:47 AM
Watch his rally on Saturday, that’ll be my answer.

You can speak for yourself, without it you just seem like a robot wistfully following along on cruise control because it's easier for you than having any type of critical thinking.

This will be my last post in this thread, it's useless.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 16, 2020, 08:41:49 AM
It has been shown endlessly on this forum that no-one is ever convinced by others' views.
And that folks are simply interested in expressing their own particular bubble's attitudes.

If there were even one example of a person on either side of the spectrum having had their political leanings changed on this forum, I am yet to see it.

IMO, any person who is open to having their mind changed politically, deserves a medal.
No matter which side of the spectrum they sit. Because they are a unicorn!

This is an era of a person's side being all good and the opposition all bad.

Shades of grey don't seem to exist.

if i ever change my mind on issues like trans rights, tear-gassing civilians, supporting race-based voter suppression, women's rights and so many other things, i would hope a friend would kill me in my sleep.

The trouble with this statement is that if the other side is truly FEARFUL OF CHANGE, there is no discussion possible.

The only way to understand the other side is...

“You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view… until you climb in his skin and walk around in it.”

TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD, by HARPER LEE.

This applies equally to Democrats concerning Republicans and visa versa.

Education and understanding and discussion is a mature way to deal with conflicts.

"Me good, You bad" methods don't work even in kindergarten.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 16, 2020, 11:13:26 AM
the world of hypotheses and theories is a perfect world.

everything goes according to plan.

everyone does exactly what everyone else would like them to. every plan is carried out as intended.

i've never been able to visit that world.

but i do enjoy an atmosphere that's heady with knowing condescension and an offhand omniscience.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 16, 2020, 07:25:18 PM
the world of hypotheses and theories is a perfect world.

everything goes according to plan.

everyone does exactly what everyone else would like them to. every plan is carried out as intended.

i've never been able to visit that world.

but i do enjoy an atmosphere that's heady with knowing condescension and an offhand omniscience.

The visionary is the only realist.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: jh35 on June 18, 2020, 02:52:36 AM
An article in the NYT about 25 million applications for affordable housing in NYC.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/nyregion/nyc-affordable-housing-lottery.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/nyregion/nyc-affordable-housing-lottery.html)

Do you remember when AOC was against affordable housing at the 82nd street Target site?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 20, 2020, 10:01:49 AM
I hope all you never Trumper’s in this group will take the time to watch the real news tonight during his rally. 70% of the fake news media is owned by anti-trumpers. The line already started last night for his rally in Tulsa. There were 1 million request for tickets to hear him  speak. The truth needs to be spoken, and he is the only one speaking it. No need to make negative comments.Watch the rally, and then comment. And if you don’t watch the rally, then think about the syndrome. And think about the alternative to President Trump. Do you really want Joe Biden leading this country? Do you all hate trump so much that you would rather this  country be run by a bunch of criminals with their own agenda that doesn’t include keeping America great?  What’s happening in Seattle, without Trump, will happen across the country. Everybody on this site was all upset about the riots that were supposed to happen on 37th ave. Without Trump in charge, that will be an every day occurrence. That’s what the democrats wants. Riots, civil unrest, and defending the police. That is the agenda. And if you still believe in the Russian collusion delusion, you seriously have TDS.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 20, 2020, 10:04:23 AM
“Defunding the police”
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on June 20, 2020, 10:10:58 AM
you are mentally ill
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 20, 2020, 10:12:47 AM
Trump derangement syndrome. Stop watching fake news.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 20, 2020, 10:22:55 AM
Laloc, Are you calling half the country mentally ill because they voted for him? You  know the deplorable’s? Because they don’t agree with you?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 20, 2020, 01:40:08 PM
Laloc, Are you calling half the country mentally ill because they voted for him? You  know the deplorable’s? Because they don’t agree with you?

46 percent of those who actually voted -- versus 48 percent for the woman who's never had ads taken off social media for deception.

27 percent of the country in all. you set the parameters, saying "half the country" voted for him. that is untrue. one is entitled to one's own opinion, not to one's own facts.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: carrefour_ny on June 20, 2020, 02:19:04 PM
I think it's fair to say that Benoit is one of these people that will stand by Trump even if he shoots someone on 5th ave. They'll blame the 120K covid deaths on Hillary's emails, the out-of-control deficit on Obama, the country's economic crisis on China, the lack of coherent -- no, any -- foreign policy on the media, etc. etc. etc. I for now am stopping to engage with this brainwashed troll. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 20, 2020, 02:24:12 PM
16 years of A democratic country, and look where that got us.  Trump was left with a big mess.  That’s why Trump is the president, and will be again in 2024. The people have spoken, and will speak loudly again this election.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 20, 2020, 03:32:01 PM
i think the non air-conditioned arena in Tulsa may make the election a moot point anyway.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 20, 2020, 07:07:21 PM
16 years of A democratic country, and look where that got us.  Trump was left with a big mess.  That’s why Trump is the president, and will be again in 2024. The people have spoken, and will speak loudly again this election.

in 2016, the USA was fine.

Things were running pretty smoothly.

Now in 2020, on the other hand, it's a polarized mess.  Even you must see that.

Also there used to a be a poster called JHX on this forum.  You two could be twins. Or even, magically, the same person.

Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Benoit on June 20, 2020, 09:11:39 PM
She wasn’t supposed to lose
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 20, 2020, 09:34:53 PM
definitely the same person
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: JHALUM on June 27, 2020, 11:08:40 PM
Where is Joe Biden?  He should be taking advantage of this opportunity to outline his positions.  I am guessing his handlers have him playing defense to make sure  he doesn't put his foot in his mouth.  I think this is a very risky strategy.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on June 28, 2020, 12:30:03 AM
He has been out delivering real speeches every few days. Have you missed them? I'll provide links tomorrow if you need.
Title: to be moved
Post by: JH3525 on September 07, 2020, 05:44:10 PM
lalochezia:  A question:  Will nightly rioting and soaring crime in liberal cities hurt democratic on election day?  CNN Don Lemon feels that leftist violence, Black Lives Matter riots and looting is hurting Democrats.  Of the 20 most crime ridden cities in the USA all are governed by liberal democrats. 
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: jh35 on September 07, 2020, 05:47:15 PM
lalochezia:  A question:  Will nightly rioting and soaring crime in liberal cities hurt democratic on election day?  CNN Don Lemon feels that leftist violence, Black Lives Matter riots and looting is hurting Democrats.  Of the 20 most crime ridden cities in the USA all are governed by liberal democrats.

What does that have to do with voting early?
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: dssjh on September 07, 2020, 06:53:07 PM
lalochezia:  A question:  Will nightly rioting and soaring crime in liberal cities hurt democratic on election day?  CNN Don Lemon feels that leftist violence, Black Lives Matter riots and looting is hurting Democrats.  Of the 20 most crime ridden cities in the USA all are governed by liberal democrats.

 the murder rates are much higher in cities governed by conservative republicans.
https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1301349253261012998
Title: Re: to be moved
Post by: JHResident on September 07, 2020, 08:02:50 PM
Of the 20 most crime ridden cities in the USA all are governed by liberal democrats.
All are also governed by President Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Beherenow on September 22, 2020, 10:05:41 AM
I am devoting some time and energy to get-out-the-vote drives in swing states and making modest contributions to Biden and some Democratic Senators. The local races here are a very low priority for me and I frankly don't even know whether there is any important reason to vote, other than some abstract civic duty and my interest in adding to the popular vote majority for Biden.  I assume AOC is going to win. Are any of the local races contested or of vital importance? Are there ballot initiatives that are consequential? I can't find anything on line that gives people in JH a really good reason to vote, whereas if we lived in Georgia or South Carolina or Ohio, it would be obvious.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on September 22, 2020, 10:09:38 AM
not unless you live in NYC's Mississippi  backwater -- known as Staten Island.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: itsit on September 22, 2020, 03:15:03 PM
  Is there a reason to vote? Yes, your voice matters to others here and sends a message that voting is worthwhile as a civic duty just in the numbers.We need to change how the votes are counted, the electoral college and a bunch of other aspects of the process. But if we recede in the idea of one person, one vote makes for a democratic society, that's worrisome.
  Am in favor of the Australian way which is a fairly substantial fine for non-voters. Aussies vote and are mightily involved which should happen without fines but hey, if you have to go that route, I'm all in.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Beherenow on September 22, 2020, 04:46:10 PM
  Is there a reason to vote? Yes, your voice matters to others here and sends a message that voting is worthwhile as a civic duty just in the numbers...But if we recede in the idea of one person, one vote makes for a democratic society, that's worrisome.
 

I plan to vote for those reasons, which I summed up as an "abstract" civic duty. But I am afraid they are not sufficiently compelling for many voters.  When it comes to local issues, is there nothing at all at stake?
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 22, 2020, 10:37:09 PM
  Is there a reason to vote? Yes, your voice matters to others here and sends a message that voting is worthwhile as a civic duty just in the numbers.We need to change how the votes are counted, the electoral college and a bunch of other aspects of the process. But if we recede in the idea of one person, one vote makes for a democratic society, that's worrisome.
  Am in favor of the Australian way which is a fairly substantial fine for non-voters. Aussies vote and are mightily involved which should happen without fines but hey, if you have to go that route, I'm all in.

I read that every Aussie is enrolled to vote automatically.  No purging of voters exists.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: petegart on September 25, 2020, 01:09:52 PM
The US has 4% of the worlds population, and 21% of all Covid deaths.  The national response has been absent, and focusing on ways to denigrate and sublimate medical and epidemiology specialists has not helped. 
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on September 25, 2020, 03:05:58 PM

I read that every Aussie is enrolled to vote automatically.  No purging of voters exists.

required to vote, actually. it's a small fine for not voting. $20 for first offense, $50 for subsequent offenses, but it's enough to keep most folks honest.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: Chingwa on September 25, 2020, 09:56:46 PM
We need to change how the votes are counted, the electoral college and a bunch of other aspects of the process.
If you don't have the electoral college than whatever NY and CA want will go for everyone always.  It isn't an antiquated system, it's there for an important reason, to keep the 2 wolves from eating the sheep for dinner.  As far as other things that might be changed, such as Gerrymandering (or GASP ditching SuperDelegates!), well I agree with criticism of those for sure.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: dssjh on September 25, 2020, 10:29:32 PM
We need to change how the votes are counted, the electoral college and a bunch of other aspects of the process.
If you don't have the electoral college than whatever NY and CA want will go for everyone always.  It isn't an antiquated system, it's there for an important reason, to keep the 2 wolves from eating the sheep for dinner.  As far as other things that might be changed, such as Gerrymandering (or GASP ditching SuperDelegates!), well I agree with criticism of those for sure.
.

you're living in the distant past. Texas has the second most electoral votes, with 38. Florida has the third most. both are red states. NY is losing one thanks to lost population and census shenanigans. the electoral college is no longer needed to ensure that my friend Angie in Montana's vote counts for seven times more than yours.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 26, 2020, 08:51:54 AM
The problem, of course, is that the electoral college did vote in Obama in 2008 and 2012.

It is, unfortunately, a tad disingenuous to complain about the electoral college when it elects a Republican candidate but accept the process when a Democrat candidate is elected.

This is our democracy. Whichever side wins.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on September 26, 2020, 09:02:31 AM
The problem, of course, is that the electoral college did vote in Obama in 2008 and 2012.

It is, unfortunately, a tad disingenuous to complain about the electoral college when it elects a Republican candidate but accept the electoral college when a Democrat candidate is elected.


Obama won the popular vote and the electoral college, in both 2008 and 2012, so nice try, bub.


This is our democracy. Whichever side wins.

"Nothing can ever change!" You.

Compared with a Californian a citizen in Wyoming gets over 3 times as much power voting for the President, over 1.5 times as much power voting for Congress, and over 30 times as much power voting for the Senate!

Why do you think our "democratic" laws should enshrine that some citizens votes are worth less than others? Why do you think a californian is worth 1/3 or 1/30th of a wyomingite by virtue of where they live?

Do you ever look at your premises or the real world and ask yourself, "is it so?" or  "should it be?"?

Because if you did I think you'd find that your ideas are completely inane.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 26, 2020, 09:44:40 AM
The problem, of course, is that the electoral college did vote in Obama in 2008 and 2012.

It is, unfortunately, a tad disingenuous to complain about the electoral college when it elects a Republican candidate but accept the electoral college when a Democrat candidate is elected.


Obama won the popular vote and the electoral college, in both 2008 and 2012, so nice try, bub.


This is our democracy. Whichever side wins.

"Nothing can ever change!" You.

Compared with a Californian a citizen in Wyoming gets over 3 times as much power voting for the President, over 1.5 times as much power voting for Congress, and over 30 times as much power voting for the Senate!

Why do you think our "democratic" laws should enshrine that some citizens votes are worth less than others? Why do you think a californian is worth 1/3 or 1/30th of a wyomingite by virtue of where they live?

Do you ever look at your premises or the real world and ask yourself, "is it so?" or  "should it be?"?

Because if you did I think you'd find that your ideas are completely inane.

Yet again your ad hominem insults will be ignored. But please, in the future, control personal insults.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on September 26, 2020, 10:13:02 AM
Ad hominem directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

I am rebutting your inane ideas and positions. .
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on September 26, 2020, 10:13:20 AM
Ad hominem ="directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining."

I am rebutting your inane ideas and positions. .
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 26, 2020, 10:29:04 AM
No doubt in 1824, 1876, 1888, and 2000...when the presidents also did not get the popular vote but won the electoral college...folks were annoyed.

But it is our system. Annoyances included. 

Instead of wasting energy fighting with someone who will vote Biden, go out into the world and convince others to ensure that Biden wins both the popular vote and the electoral college. That would be the smart pro active thing to do.
Title: Re: Political Commentary of the Day
Post by: lalochezia on September 26, 2020, 10:36:45 AM
http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=20129.msg100963#msg100963