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Title: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JHMNY on October 19, 2017, 11:09:49 AM
New York City officials are excited about the City's bid to bring Amazon's second headquarters to town.  According to the Times article below, Long Island City is one of the proposed neighborhoods to house HQ2.  From the list of Amazon's criteria for consideration, Long Island City is in close proximity to airports and public transportation. 

What are the options for public transportation in LIC?  How will this impact an already densely populated train system?  How will the proposed 50,000 new job openings impact Queens west?  If this proposal becomes reality, and LIC is chosen to be HQ2's new home, there's major change to look forward to...  yay or nay?
 
From the New York Times:

In Amazon Bid, New York Brags About, Well, Everything (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/18/nyregion/in-amazon-bid-new-york-brags-about-well-everything.html)
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: missmarty on October 19, 2017, 12:12:40 PM
Willets Point!!
Rail yards, ships, airport and it's the proper space. Plus, an incredibly hard working and local work force.
I've not heard it mentioned publicly yet but it seems like a no brainer to me.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on October 19, 2017, 01:30:35 PM
Amazon is looking for a second HQ's not a distribution center.  Being near airports and public transportation is not important.  I can't think of a worst place for a second HQ's that will house employees earning $100,000 a year than NYC where employees will have to pay three income taxes (Federal, State & City) and an extremely high housing costs.  An $100,000 a year salary would mean living in Queens, Bronx or Staten Island.  A better option would be a State with no income tax such as Florida or Texas and these state have housing costs significantly less than NYC.  With a $100,000 a year income, I'll would much prefer living in Austin, Texas than Jackson Heights. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: N00b on October 19, 2017, 02:35:28 PM
Why would you want to live in Austin over JH?

If Amazon opens in LIC, I am sure a WeLive will follow for "affordable" housing of the type that tech people like.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: theplanesland on October 19, 2017, 02:41:32 PM
Why would you want to live in Austin over JH?

If Amazon opens in LIC, I am sure a WeLive will follow for "affordable" housing of the type that tech people like.

Many of these staffers will be executives with families - not all young - and they'll have to make long commutes to find affordable housing.

This is an epically bad idea. We simply don't have the housing for the additional jobs of this magnitude, and nobody's building enough reasonably priced housing. What's our vacancy rate like, 1%? I think a place like Pittsburgh or Dallas, where people can afford homes, would be more appropriate.

We need more apartment buildings with reasonably priced places to live before we need more giant corporate HQs bringing people in.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: amsci on October 19, 2017, 03:37:01 PM
The downtown area has a pronounced homeless problem, but overall I thought Austin was cool. Some of the surrounding areas seemed like nice places to live.

My husband and I are both native NYers and at this point the only things keeping us here are our families and our jobs. Hell, my parents and my sister's family are moving out of NY soon anyway.

To theplanesland's point, we'd both consider moving to another "less cool" city if we came across good opportunities, and we don't even have (or want) children.  It's not like NYC has a monopoly on culture and good food.


Why would you want to live in Austin over JH?

If Amazon opens in LIC, I am sure a WeLive will follow for "affordable" housing of the type that tech people like.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Lilybell on October 19, 2017, 05:25:20 PM
I think they will choose a much smaller city, like denver. However, I was able to see the city's newly finished pitch book at work yesterday and it's really well done.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: sl on October 19, 2017, 07:25:55 PM
It's definitely  good news for software engineers and IT professionals like me.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 19, 2017, 11:04:58 PM
Yay.

No contest.

You're either in New York or you're in nowhere-ville.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: llh on October 20, 2017, 12:25:50 AM
I'm a Software Engineer and personally I'm not a fan of Amazon putting its 2nd HQ in LIC (and Amazon as a company itself, see https://sites.google.com/site/thefaceofamazon/ for reference). It'll create an adverse effect on housing market that's already over-populated and unaffordable and being in tech myself, the culture is neither good nor diverse. Boston might be better (close proximity to MIT/Harvard, although that's not a problem for 1st HQ I don't see it being a plus for 2nd). Big tech salary is rarely geo-adjusted (except internationally) so they get paid the same whether here or Nebraska. If Amazon thinks they have a better chance recruiting in NYC then they're wrong. Amazon already has an office on 34th & 6th and they already have trouble recruiting.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on October 20, 2017, 08:16:11 AM
For those who are not aware, Amazon recently announced that they are building a Fulfillment/Distribution Center in the Western Section of Staten Island.  The 855,000 SF center will cost $100 Million Dollars and provide jobs for 2,250 local residents.  The center will service the entire NYC, Westchester & parts of New Jersey. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: missmarty on October 20, 2017, 08:18:00 AM
For a cool million one could buy a gorgeous home in Elmhurst and spend half as much renovating it. It's an idyllic neighborhood and commute for techies. Could rival Ditmars Park. Instead, historical homes are being torn down and families leave the city in droves.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JHMNY on October 20, 2017, 12:22:31 PM
The article cites housing development in LIC, but how much of it is geared for family lifestyles?  I have friends currently renting an apartment on Center Blvd. in LIC.  They've made the decision to purchase in a more family friendly neighborhood in Brooklyn.  I'm sure there are plenty of young and older professionals with similar mindsets.  If Amazon does land in Queens, I'd expect to see a lot of change to accommodate what's lacking.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on October 24, 2017, 07:49:34 AM
They just announced on CNBC Business News (Channel 15) that Amazon has received 238 Proposals for Amazon HQ2.  I'm shocked at this number of proposals. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: theplanesland on October 24, 2017, 04:11:26 PM
They just announced on CNBC Business News (Channel 15) that Amazon has received 238 Proposals for Amazon HQ2.  I'm shocked at this number of proposals.

I'm not. There are a lot of places in the country that have more houses than jobs. We're just lucky enough to live in one of the few where it's the other way around.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on October 24, 2017, 04:22:53 PM
Yay.

No contest.

You're either in New York or you're in nowhere-ville.

they're already in nowhere-ville, and it doesn't look like it's hurt them.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Lilybell on October 24, 2017, 04:25:30 PM
Yeah, I'm not surprised at all. NYC spent a ridiculous amount of man-hours working on this pitch, knowing damn well that it's a complete pipe dream.  Any city who has a remote chance of winning submitted a pitch book.



Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Shelby2 on January 18, 2018, 02:07:35 PM
The short list has been revealed.

http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-reveals-hq2-candidates-2018-1
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Lilybell on January 19, 2018, 10:13:45 AM
The team that wrote the pitch seems to think the DC suburbs will get the HQ. I made a bet with them that it will be Indianapolis or Denver. I only bet a nickel so I was feeling reckless.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: MrPlaza on January 19, 2018, 02:56:48 PM
The team that wrote the pitch seems to think the DC suburbs will get the HQ. I made a bet with them that it will be Indianapolis or Denver. I only bet a nickel so I was feeling reckless.
My money is on DC suburbs as well.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on January 19, 2018, 03:19:15 PM
a suburban/exurban site is the only way to go. can anyone REALLY imagine 30,000 more people crammed into a small site in LIC every day?
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: homeowner on January 19, 2018, 04:51:10 PM
I see the article from today's Times was posted here already.  Can anyone tell me how to delete a post vs. modifying one?
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JackM on January 19, 2018, 05:34:42 PM
Actually, I'd like to see Amazon move to a Red State like GA (Atlanta) or IN or even OH.  They would change the demographics and move the state towards blue. We need to turn some of these red states around and changing the demographics would be a start.  It's young techies and managers would probably be mostly educated liberals and progressives and would not be a bad thing.  Just my thought.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JHMNY on November 05, 2018, 09:45:03 PM
The New York Times:

Amazon Plans to Split HQ2 in Two Locations (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/technology/amazon-second-headquarters-split.html)

SEATTLE — After conducting a yearlong search for a second home, Amazon has switched gears and is now finalizing plans to have a total of 50,000 employees in two locations, according to people familiar with the decision-making process.

The company is nearing a deal to move to the Long Island City neighborhood of Queens, according to two of the people briefed on the discussions. Amazon is also close to a deal to move to the Crystal City area of Arlington, Va., a Washington suburb, one of the people said. Amazon already has more employees in those two areas than anywhere else outside of Seattle, its home base, and the Bay Area.

Amazon executives met two weeks ago with Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo in the governor’s Manhattan office, said one of the people briefed on the process, adding that the state had offered potentially hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies. Long Island City is a short subway ride across the East River from Midtown Manhattan.

“I am doing everything I can,” Governor Cuomo told reporters when asked Monday about the state’s efforts to lure the company. “We have a great incentive package,” he said.

“I’ll change my name to Amazon Cuomo if that’s what it takes,” Governor Cuomo said. “Because it would be a great economic boost.”
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: StevenGrey on November 05, 2018, 09:56:51 PM
They'll have to convert all the bicycle lanes in Queens to Amazon delivery lanes--but at least those lanes would actually get used.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: itsit on November 06, 2018, 07:30:20 AM
 I think if they partnered with the closing of Rikers Island to give all the young offenders a chance at redemption
and a job, I'd be all for it. The area around the Steinway plant is already servicing so much industry that it would
not change the area significantly it seems. Some younger people we know are vehemently anti-Amazon though...
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on November 06, 2018, 08:48:18 AM
Itsit, Amazon HQ2 will be staffed with highly educated and skilled professionals earning $100K+ a year.  This won't be a distribution center. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: lalochezia on November 06, 2018, 09:02:47 AM
.......which, incidentally, makes JH real estate, 1 stop on the E/F train to LIC, likely to have serious increases in sales prices coming real soon.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: passthekimchi on November 06, 2018, 10:01:23 AM
I think this is not great news for Jackson Heights.
The neighborhood is likely to lose some of its charm, and radically change if HQ2 comes to LIC.
Get ready for vegan gentrification...
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on November 06, 2018, 10:01:44 AM
A further comment.  An 855,000 SF Amazon Distribution Center is currently being constructed in Staten Island that will employ 2,250.  This is where young offenders should be considered for employment. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Olivesta on November 06, 2018, 10:19:06 AM
25,000 jobs and the accompanying services that go with it, if it happens, this has to be good news for Queens and North Brooklyn. For a start, there are tons of apartment under construction already from Long Island  City down to Williamsburg which need people to live in them.

People of Queens need to make sure that they push for the accompanying infrastructure, transport improvements, affordable housing and resources required in the area so that it works for everyone.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on November 06, 2018, 10:35:11 AM
there's also a plan for a distribution center on the fringes of our neighborhood, referenced elsewhere on the board. not as large as SI, i believe, but over on Boody Street near Bulova.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on November 06, 2018, 10:43:23 AM
I think this is not great news for Jackson Heights. The neighborhood is likely to lose some of its charm, and radically change if HQ2 comes to LIC. Get ready for vegan gentrification...

no comment
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on November 06, 2018, 10:44:05 AM
The NY Post is reporting that there will be two Amazon HQ2 each with 25,000 employees in Long Island City and Crystal City, Virginia. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on November 06, 2018, 12:11:18 PM
i'm wondering exactly where they might place this complex. it would seem imperative to be near the transit hub, unless they provide shuttle service -- as such mega-companies do in other areas.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 06, 2018, 12:29:45 PM
The Plaxall real estate holdings are perfect for this HQ2.

For increased ferry service to Manhattan they're excellently positioned.

LIC is on its unstoppable trajectory now.

I'd say we in Jackson Heights are somewhat cocooned from it all. And there will be positive (and also challenging) results from this HQ2.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on November 06, 2018, 12:30:27 PM
Dss, yes, what is the proposed location?

If it's in the low income section, it would bring about an economic metamorphosis considering the boon in new clerical and service jobs, and the execs bringing all that real money/expendable income into the area.

Notwithstanding, it's a shame the Gov'ner has to offer so much in tax incentives as a lure, but it is what it is.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on November 06, 2018, 01:06:32 PM
i haven't seen a specific location proposed yet. abc's idea of a near-water placement (with increased ferry service) is a good one. i'd imagine any build out there would have to be behind housing -- since views are so valued in residential, not so much in corporate.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Lilybell on November 06, 2018, 03:46:54 PM
The proposed location is being kept confidential.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JHResident on November 07, 2018, 08:28:20 AM
The proposed location is being kept confidential.
There has been mention that Amazon may take over the Citi Corp building, which is being vacated once the lease is up.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Lilybell on November 07, 2018, 08:56:52 AM
I just think this whole thing was a farce from start to finish. Amazon scammed everyone.

I am bewildered by the Crystal City choice - my sister used to live there and it's such a weird area - very sterile with a ton of underground tunnels housing offices and retail. The tunnels were full of patent attorney offices because The United States Patent and Trademark Office used to be in Crystal City. It has since moved to Alexandria so I guess they have a lot of vacant space available. I remember finding it odd and creepy - I called it Mole Town because so much is underground.

However, there is lots of decent housing, it's close enough to DC and is an excellent location for public transportation. 
And I haven't been there for 15 years so I'm sure it's changed a lot.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 08, 2018, 10:29:04 PM
The more I hear about this, the more I believe it will have zero to negligible effect on Jackson Heights.

1. The new folks hired by Amazon like luxury modern residences (not charming and pre-war i.e. old). And Long Island City with all those sparkling towers seems exactly primed for that.

2. The techies will be young and single young people like to stick together.  And Jackson Heights is, in truth, a neighborhood for 30 years old plus. (And kids)

3. The techies won't really be into buying co-ops. Co-ops are such an arcane New York thing. Hardly any place in the entire world does co-ops except New York. Condos are what these tech-heads will be into if they buy.  They move around.  They need to be able to rent any apartment easily.

But LIC, on the other hand.  LIC will see even more startling changes within 5 years.

My two bits.

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on November 08, 2018, 10:32:02 PM
completely agree about the housing thing: if this comes to pass, Amazon will be hiring the people that mr/ms abc suggests, and they are pretty monolithic in wanting all that.

i think the main impact on jackson heights will be the transportation issue -- the plan is for Amazon to move in pretty quickly, and the city moves at a snail's pace when it comes to reaction, infrastructure-wise.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 09, 2018, 12:55:30 PM
Most of these Amazon techies will probably live in LIC in the towers in the sky and walk to work.

The whole of LIC itself will become the Amazon campus.  There will be little need to travel to Manhattan.  Or even out of the LIC "campus" for these folks. (Maybe the occasional foray into nearby happening Williamsburg?)

Truly, it now appears that LIC was developed with exactly this in mind. Couldn't be more perfect for them.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Matt on November 09, 2018, 10:06:19 PM
Everything I've read suggests that this is just a rumor at this point. Am I missing something?

If it is true, I don't really think it's that big of a deal. Some people they will hire already live here, some people will come from other places. It's New York, we can handle it. 25,000 people is less than 0.3% of an increase to NYC's population of 8.623 million people.

The MTA sucks in general lately. Adding more people won't help, but I don't think it will hurt either. I did have a GREAT platform controller stop the F train this morning to confirm it was running on the normal route as some were being redirected over the G line into Brooklyn. I'll definitely chat with her if I see her again. There definitely is hope that things will improve.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: seattlelite on November 10, 2018, 01:57:48 AM
Most of these Amazon techies will probably live in LIC in the towers in the sky and walk to work.

In Seattle, instead of living right next to work in some giant tower, a lot of Amazonians ended up living in nearby neighborhoods with more character and better restaurants and bars, like Capitol Hill and Queen Anne, where they could still walk or cycle to work but where the housing stock was older and nicer.

As Amazon grew, the area directly around their HQ tended to become more boring and sterile, as existing businesses closed down and were replaced with giant new Amazon buildings, which sometimes had a Starbucks or other shop on their ground floor but were basically a dead zone at night and on weekends. By far, the most lively place near Amazon was a Whole Foods, which closed at 9pm and is now part of Amazon anyway.

If Long Island City is really chosen for the HQ, then I would expect a lot of people to live in Astoria, Greenpoint, Sunnyside/Sunnyside Gardens, etc, instead of actually living in Long Island City where everything seems kind of ugly and bland. Maybe Jackson Heights near the Roosevelt/74th station as well, though it is much too far to walk, but the subway access is pretty great. Or maybe the area near Forest Hills station if they have kids and want the best schools, but most Amazonians had dogs instead of kids, so expect to see a lot of fancy dog daycares and salons pop up in Queens :)

Here's an example of how many buildings Amazon now occupies in Seattle, although even that map is out of date: http://www.amazonhqtours.com/take-an-audio-tour/. That whole area marked with yellow buildings was dead outside of work hours, and not somewhere most people wanted to live, especially because they often didn't hold positive feelings towards Amazon and didn't plan to stay working at Amazon for longer than 1 or 2 years.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 10, 2018, 09:21:34 AM
Most of these Amazon techies will probably live in LIC in the towers in the sky and walk to work.

In Seattle, instead of living right next to work in some giant tower, a lot of Amazonians ended up living in nearby neighborhoods with more character and better restaurants and bars, like Capitol Hill and Queen Anne, where they could still walk or cycle to work but where the housing stock was older and nicer.

As Amazon grew, the area directly around their HQ tended to become more boring and sterile, as existing businesses closed down and were replaced with giant new Amazon buildings, which sometimes had a Starbucks or other shop on their ground floor but were basically a dead zone at night and on weekends. By far, the most lively place near Amazon was a Whole Foods, which closed at 9pm and is now part of Amazon anyway.

If Long Island City is really chosen for the HQ, then I would expect a lot of people to live in Astoria, Greenpoint, Sunnyside/Sunnyside Gardens, etc, instead of actually living in Long Island City where everything seems kind of ugly and bland. Maybe Jackson Heights near the Roosevelt/74th station as well, though it is much too far to walk, but the subway access is pretty great. Or maybe the area near Forest Hills station if they have kids and want the best schools, but most Amazonians had dogs instead of kids, so expect to see a lot of fancy dog daycares and salons pop up in Queens :)

Here's an example of how many buildings Amazon now occupies in Seattle, although even that map is out of date: http://www.amazonhqtours.com/take-an-audio-tour/. That whole area marked with yellow buildings was dead outside of work hours, and not somewhere most people wanted to live, especially because they often didn't hold positive feelings towards Amazon and didn't plan to stay working at Amazon for longer than 1 or 2 years.

Thanks for this.

I'm not convinced the situations are analogous.

In Seattle, it's 50,000 employees in a town of 725,000.

Here it'll be 25,000 employees in a town of nearly 9 million. Queens alone has over 2.5 million I think.

New York is a giant place over 10x Seattle's size.

These folks will simply blend into the diverse mix here...and add to it.  That's the beauty and dynamism of New York.








Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: seattlelite on November 10, 2018, 10:41:26 AM
I'm not convinced the situations are analogous.

In Seattle, it's 50,000 employees in a town of 725,000.

Here it'll be 25,000 employees in a town of nearly 9 million. Queens alone has over 2.5 million I think.

New York is a giant place over 10x Seattle's size.

These folks will simply blend into the diverse mix here...and add to it.  That's the beauty and dynamism of New York.
I basically agree, but FYI, the "official" Seattle is just a tiny area (a bit like the "official" San Francisco). The area around it that most people would think of as still being Seattle (and where you could easily commute to Amazon) is several million people, depending on where you draw the borders.

For example Seattle + Bellevue + Kirkland + Redmond has a similar area to Queens and has over 1 million people.

I think Amazon might not have a huge impact on NYC overall, but it will definitely have a big impact on the neighborhoods near Long Island City. If other tech companies start moving to NYC (or growing here), e.g. to hire all the dissatisfied Amazon employees who have already moved here, then that could have a big impact on NYC.

For example, there was an article a few days ago that Google is going to double their headcount in NYC (to 20,000+), and Facebook also has a large office here which will probably grow. Nobody really wants to live in the San Francisco Bay Area anymore when they could live in a more interesting city like NYC and still have a great job, especially when it's often cheaper to live in NYC as well.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 10, 2018, 11:55:37 AM
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I'm not convinced the situations are analogous.

In Seattle, it's 50,000 employees in a town of 725,000.

Here it'll be 25,000 employees in a town of nearly 9 million. Queens alone has over 2.5 million I think.

New York is a giant place over 10x Seattle's size.

These folks will simply blend into the diverse mix here...and add to it.  That's the beauty and dynamism of New York.
I basically agree, but FYI, the "official" Seattle is just a tiny area (a bit like the "official" San Francisco). The area around it that most people would think of as still being Seattle (and where you could easily commute to Amazon) is several million people, depending on where you draw the borders.

For example Seattle + Bellevue + Kirkland + Redmond has a similar area to Queens and has over 1 million people.

I think Amazon might not have a huge impact on NYC overall, but it will definitely have a big impact on the neighborhoods near Long Island City. If other tech companies start moving to NYC (or growing here), e.g. to hire all the dissatisfied Amazon employees who have already moved here, then that could have a big impact on NYC.

For example, there was an article a few days ago that Google is going to double their headcount in NYC (to 20,000+), and Facebook also has a large office here which will probably grow. Nobody really wants to live in the San Francisco Bay Area anymore when they could live in a more interesting city like NYC and still have a great job, especially when it's often cheaper to live in NYC as well.

Thanks.

Now that's interesting.

So you're saying Amazon is simply the beginning of a wave.

Now. Let's see if it leads to a tsunami!    ???

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on November 12, 2018, 09:36:53 PM
the choice, it seems, is official.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-chooses-new-york-city-and-northern-virginia-for-additional-headquarters-1542075336?mod=e2fb
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Shelby2 on November 13, 2018, 04:56:45 PM
There's a condo buying frenzy going on in LIC now -- van loads of Chinese buyers (and plenty of non-Chinese buyers as well).

https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/amazon-s-move-to-long-island-city-sparks-condo-frenzy-114128

Amazon’s Move to Long Island City Sparks Condo Frenzy
Brokers flooded with clients seeking real estate in Queens neighborhood, reminding some of pre-crash property boom


BY Josh Barbanel  |  ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED ON November 13, 2018  |  The Wall Street Journal

Even before Amazon.com Inc. decided to put a headquarters in Long Island City, the retail giant’s interest in the Queens neighborhood unleashed a condo gold rush. Amazon’s interest was made known scarcely a week ago, yet brokers say they are already selling units—sometimes sight-unseen—via text message. Others are renting vans and packing them full of clients eager to view multiple buildings, or holding group tours in Chinese.

Now, with Amazon’s commitment to the New York City neighborhood, brokers are predicting the apartment market there will surge further. "This is like a gift from the gods for the Long Island City condo market," said Patrick W. Smith, a Stribling agent in the area.

Up until last week, the Long Island City market had suffered from slowing sales and rising inventory. Now, some brokers say the sudden mood shift reminds them of the heady days of New York City’s condo boom just before the housing market crashed during the 2008 financial crisis. "This is the first time in my 20-year career that I have seen the market go from a buyer’s market to a seller’s market overnight, based on a rumor," Mr. Smith said.

During the first six days since Amazon’s interest in Long Island City became public, searches on the listing site StreetEasy.com for residential property in the neighborhood surged 295% from the same period a week earlier, StreetEasy said. The biggest spike occurred in the first few days after the news, when search volume jumped more than 400%, StreetEasy said.

Real estate broker Teresa Ali faced a frenzy at the sales office for the Galerie, a new brick and glass building going up on Jackson Avenue. Though the building, which wraps around a central garden, won’t open until spring, Ms. Ali said her team met with nearly 100 buyers on Saturday and Sunday. More than 60 other buyers were turned away after leaving their names.

The same building logged 34 visits from potential buyers for the entire previous week, she added. "Multiple offers were on the table" after Sunday’s open house, while four more offers came in overnight. "It was bedlam," Ms. Ali, a sales manager at Halstead Property Development Marketing, said. Her team ran simultaneous group tours in English and Mandarin over the weekend.

‘Buyers are hoping it will become the next Silicon Valley and want to be in on that,’ one broker said of the sudden surge in interest in Long Island City.

Speculative investors and buyers who plan to live in the neighborhood are betting on the promise that an Amazon headquarters would bring new amenities and stature to a once dilapidated industrial neighborhood, pushing up prices in the future.

The past week was the building’s best ever, with deals on six of its 84 units and several more under negotiations, she said. There were 20 appointments last weekend, compared with four the week before.Eve n before the Amazon decision, Ms. Lee said, prices were scheduled to go up.

"Clients I hadn’t spoken to in seven or eight years started texting me," said Eric Benhaim, the president and founder of Modern Spaces. "I sold 20 apartments via text." He said his firm’s agents, who represent many new condo developers, were now meeting with these clients to work through the paperwork.

Brokers say there are about 350 new condominiums on the market in Long Island City and about 50 resale apartments. Some of these resale units had lingered on the market for weeks without attracting any interest but are now in demand, too, said Mr. Smith.

On Friday, he found that weekend appointments at many condo sales offices were filled. So on Saturday, he took five clients on a tour—on foot and by Uber—of open houses. And on Sunday, Mr. Smith rented two dark blue minivans with drivers, and he and an associate each rode shotgun while showing properties to groups of five buyers.
Other clients met them along the way, he said, so by the end of the day they had chaperoned at least 15 clients.
"The showroom was jam-packed and only grew," Mr. Smith said, adding that other clients crowded into the dedicated conference room originally reserved for his group.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: N00b on November 13, 2018, 05:55:10 PM
lol smaller companies are not going to compete with Amazon where average comp is going to double and they offer equity that's actually worth money versus equity in a private company that isn't worth the paper that their venture valuations are printed on. There's already a robust tech industry in NYC and the talent pool was probably a factor in Amazon's selection. They'll easily be able to pick the top talent around town.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on November 13, 2018, 08:50:15 PM
lol.

https://www.theonion.com/new-york-city-announces-subway-just-for-amazon-employee-1830418104
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 14, 2018, 01:00:09 AM
The Plaxall real estate holdings are perfect for this HQ2.

For increased ferry service to Manhattan they're excellently positioned.

LIC is on its unstoppable trajectory now.

I'd say we in Jackson Heights are somewhat cocooned from it all. And there will be positive (and also challenging) results from this HQ2.

Hey! According to the NY Times' article I was correct in my prediction of Amazon moving into the Paxall Real Estate holdings.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/13/nyregion/amazon-long-island-city.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Lilybell on November 14, 2018, 08:50:52 AM
I think this will affect JH more than some people realize. 25K is a lot of people and of course they will not all be all young, single techies. There will be quite a few people with families who will not want to live in LIC and will look for housing with more space (and lots of people want pre-war apartments, which is not that easy to find in LIC). It's a crappy commute from Brownstone Brooklyn so I do think JH will see a bit of an influx and increased prices. 

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Shelby2 on November 14, 2018, 09:01:32 AM
I wonder how this will affect the artists community. I know several in JH who have studios in LIC. In fact, I imagine that many or even most artists in these parts of Queens who rent outside studios do so in LIC, since that's where there has traditionally been availability.

Excited for Amazon’s Arrival in Long Island City? The Results for New York’s Art Community Won’t Be Pretty (https://news.artnet.com/opinion/amazon-long-island-city-art-1393072)

Btw, the LIC open studios are this weekend (Nov 17-18, 2018)
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 14, 2018, 09:47:50 AM
I wonder how this will affect the artists community. I know several in JH who have studios in LIC. In fact, I imagine that many or even most artists in these parts of Queens who rent outside studios do so in LIC, since that's where there has traditionally been availability.

Excited for Amazon’s Arrival in Long Island City? The Results for New York’s Art Community Won’t Be Pretty (https://news.artnet.com/opinion/amazon-long-island-city-art-1393072)

Btw, the LIC open studios are this weekend (Nov 17-18, 2018)

Yes...as LIC morphs into a tech version of Williamsburg, I would say the artists' time in LIC has come to an end. 

My guess is that the warehouses in the industrial area around Northern Woodside will become artists' new homes. That's my prediction!
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on November 14, 2018, 09:56:55 AM
true, but the area of Woodside you describe may be close enough to this whole shebang that it skips the "art colony" stage and goes straight to luxury -- with shuttle buses, anything is possible.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 14, 2018, 11:46:04 AM
In 15 years it'll be the Bronx's turn.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Shelby2 on November 14, 2018, 11:46:19 AM
I wonder how this will affect the artists community. I know several in JH who have studios in LIC. In fact, I imagine that many or even most artists in these parts of Queens who rent outside studios do so in LIC, since that's where there has traditionally been availability.

Excited for Amazon’s Arrival in Long Island City? The Results for New York’s Art Community Won’t Be Pretty (https://news.artnet.com/opinion/amazon-long-island-city-art-1393072)

Btw, the LIC open studios are this weekend (Nov 17-18, 2018)

Yes...as LIC morphs into a tech version of Williamsburg, I would say the artists' time in LIC has come to an end. 

My guess is that the warehouses in the industrial area around Northern Woodside will become artists' new homes. That's my prediction!

I always wondered why some of the buildings in industrial Woodside didn't get converted into artist studios. Some of the area is extremely close to the train, for instance, the R train at Northern Blvd. I suppose one reason is that artists tend to congregate together and no one was willing to take a chance on developing a building in an outlying area. But the rents for artist studios have already skyrocketed in LIC in the past 3-4 years so it would have made sense to branch out to Woodside, if commercial rents are actually cheaper in Woodside. Maybe the rents are not actually substantially cheaper.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 14, 2018, 11:54:35 AM
I wonder how this will affect the artists community. I know several in JH who have studios in LIC. In fact, I imagine that many or even most artists in these parts of Queens who rent outside studios do so in LIC, since that's where there has traditionally been availability.

Excited for Amazon’s Arrival in Long Island City? The Results for New York’s Art Community Won’t Be Pretty (https://news.artnet.com/opinion/amazon-long-island-city-art-1393072)

Btw, the LIC open studios are this weekend (Nov 17-18, 2018)

Yes...as LIC morphs into a tech version of Williamsburg, I would say the artists' time in LIC has come to an end. 

My guess is that the warehouses in the industrial area around Northern Woodside will become artists' new homes. That's my prediction!

I always wondered why some of the buildings in industrial Woodside didn't get converted into artist studios. Some of the area is extremely close to the train, for instance, the R train at Northern Blvd. I suppose one reason is that artists tend to congregate together and no one was willing to take a chance on developing a building in an outlying area. But the rents for artist studios have already skyrocketed in LIC in the past 3-4 years so it would have made sense to branch out to Woodside, if commercial rents are actually cheaper in Woodside. Maybe the rents are not actually substantially cheaper.

This may be the shake-up needed. Lots of Woodside seems to be semi industrial... Also South Woodside around Queens Bld is industrial. There is  a lot of industrial space there too. It certainly isn't hip however. Feels like kinda New Jersey there.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Lilybell on November 14, 2018, 12:34:50 PM
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I think Amazon might not have a huge impact on NYC overall, but it will definitely have a big impact on the neighborhoods near Long Island City. If other tech companies start moving to NYC (or growing here), e.g. to hire all the dissatisfied Amazon employees who have already moved here, then that could have a big impact on NYC.

For example, there was an article a few days ago that Google is going to double their headcount in NYC (to 20,000+), and Facebook also has a large office here which will probably grow.

This is a great point. I've heard some very early rumblings that Netflix is also considering a large NYC presence.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on November 14, 2018, 12:46:48 PM
I do not so much think about how I will be affected negatively, but more about my son's future opportunities and others of his generation. For them, this is incredibly great news.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: sl on November 14, 2018, 12:52:06 PM
I guess this is good news for software engineers like me.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on November 14, 2018, 04:18:51 PM
pretty much across the board, it's good news for the upper middle class and upper class residents of the area. professionals who can (and will) earn six figure salaries and be able to purchase (or rent) luxury housing and enjoy luxury amenities.

for the lower-middle class (or even middle-middle class) residents of the surrounding areas, not so much. a rising tide does NOT lift all boats -- it's not like we're suddenly going to boost the salaries of EMTs, nurses, public school teachers or retail workers by 20 or 30 percent. those folks will remain where they are, and a gulf will open, a greater gulf than the one that already exists.

no, i'm not advocating for a maximum wage/a massive redistribution of wealth, just noting that the inequities will become more and more stark in coming years.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Marlene on November 14, 2018, 06:48:06 PM
LIC in the News
With Amazon coming to Long Island City here is some press


NBC News
https://app.criticalmention.com/app/#clip/view/8c81b3c2-21dc-4285-bcfd-7224346f9fb5?token=56417fec-49b8-4a06-a7be-a9cf383eb41c

New York Observer
https://observer.com/2018/11/amazon-hq2-long-island-city-real-estate-market/

Gothamist
http://gothamist.com/2018/11/14/amazon_real_estate_rents.php

Bloomberg
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-14/amazon-lotto-winners-in-new-york-virginia-see-housing-jackpot

CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/11/tech/amazon-real-estate/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/13/tech/amazon-hq2-long-island-city/index.html

The Real Deal
https://therealdeal.com/2018/11/07/amazon-could-turn-lic-into-a-company-town/

NY Daily News
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-amazon-long-island-city-reaction-20181113-story.html

Please let me know if I can assist you with your real estate needs.

Marlene Flores, 917-208-6709
Douglas Elliman Real Estate
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Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: seattlelite on November 15, 2018, 09:04:48 AM
for the lower-middle class (or even middle-middle class) residents of the surrounding areas, not so much. a rising tide does NOT lift all boats -- it's not like we're suddenly going to boost the salaries of EMTs, nurses, public school teachers or retail workers by 20 or 30 percent. those folks will remain where they are, and a gulf will open, a greater gulf than the one that already exists.
Based on what happened in Seattle, Amazon workers tended to spend a lot of money in the community, helping to maintain and create local jobs. Think restaurants, bakeries, hairdressers, cinemas, of course dog daycare centers, etc. They didn't just hoard their money.

And salaries generally did go up in Seattle (and the minimum wage went up, notably). Partly because the Amazon workers could afford to pay higher prices for things, so other employers could afford to raise salaries. And also partly because other employers had to increase their salaries in order to compete with Amazon for employees. Amazon hires a really broad range of people, not just engineers.

Probably one of the worst things that happened in Seattle is that the prices of anything that was very limited in supply went up sharply (e.g. rent and housing prices), which did hurt a lot of people in the community, unless they already owned property themselves. It probably could have been much worse, Seattle was actually pretty good at knocking down old warehouses and buildings and constructing new apartments, which helped to prevent severe price escalation like in San Francisco and the Bay Area (where no new housing seems to ever be constructed). But the house prices still escalated pretty rapidly in Seattle.

BTW, for anyone curious about Amazon work culture, this site is pretty interesting: https://sites.google.com/site/thefaceofamazon/. It has stories about office jobs and also about warehouse jobs.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 15, 2018, 09:28:37 AM
for the lower-middle class (or even middle-middle class) residents of the surrounding areas, not so much. a rising tide does NOT lift all boats -- it's not like we're suddenly going to boost the salaries of EMTs, nurses, public school teachers or retail workers by 20 or 30 percent. those folks will remain where they are, and a gulf will open, a greater gulf than the one that already exists.
Based on what happened in Seattle, Amazon workers tended to spend a lot of money in the community, helping to maintain and create local jobs. Think restaurants, bakeries, hairdressers, cinemas, of course dog daycare centers, etc. They didn't just hoard their money.

And salaries generally did go up in Seattle (and the minimum wage went up, notably). Partly because the Amazon workers could afford to pay higher prices for things, so other employers could afford to raise salaries. And also partly because other employers had to increase their salaries in order to compete with Amazon for employees. Amazon hires a really broad range of people, not just engineers.

Probably one of the worst things that happened in Seattle is that the prices of anything that was very limited in supply went up sharply (e.g. rent and housing prices), which did hurt a lot of people in the community, unless they already owned property themselves. It probably could have been much worse, Seattle was actually pretty good at knocking down old warehouses and buildings and constructing new apartments, which helped to prevent severe price escalation like in San Francisco and the Bay Area (where no new housing seems to ever be constructed). But the house prices still escalated pretty rapidly in Seattle.

BTW, for anyone curious about Amazon work culture, this site is pretty interesting: https://sites.google.com/site/thefaceofamazon/. It has stories about office jobs and also about warehouse jobs.

Thanks for your authentic Amazonian/Seattle insights.

There's a limit to the speculation, clairvoyance, conjecture and hyperbole which abounds on this forum!  :)
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on November 15, 2018, 10:34:41 AM
"There's a limit to the speculation, clairvoyance, conjecture and hyperbole which abounds on this forum"

there doesn't seem to be. on all sides. i've been guilty, you've been guilty. but that's the nature of free wheeling debate.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on November 15, 2018, 06:15:45 PM
WHOA.

Queens Neighborhoods United
November 13 at 1:31 PM ·
***STATEMENT ON AMAZON TO COME TO QUEENS***
   To make it very clear, Queens Neighborhoods United is entirely against Amazon. We will not negotiate our survival and we’ll do everything in our power to shut them down. Our line is clear, fast and unflinching. We will make it impossible for them. We will target the politicians, the individuals, the institutions, the organizations and whoever else had the power to stop this deal.
   In a city with such wealth, we still have over 65,000 families homeless, NYCHA is 16 billion dollars in debt – its residents and many of our neighbors are living in mold-infested hazardous buildings, experiencing eviction, landlord terrorism, and crumbling infrastructure. We are told by city officials that this is because there are not enough tax revenues to repair these social dilemmas.
   How did the city suddenly come up with a plan to give such significant tax breaks and incentives to a corporation led by the richest man in the world? (Jeff Bezos makes $3,182 every second, according to Time.com)
   They say Amazon will create good jobs, but Amazon has a track record of relying heavily on short-term contract-based jobs without long-term security or benefits. Amazon uses mafia tactics to bully smaller thriving businesses forcing them to submit and sell their ownership status to Amazon (see what happened to diapers.com as an example).
   Amazon is notorious for abusing workers who must work intensive hours to the point where they are forced to pee in bottles to keep up with delivery orders. Jeff Bezos announced a wage increase to $15 an hour, but simultaneously stripped worker’s access to stock options and bonuses, leaving workers worse off.
   Amazon spent millions of dollars to lobby and buy out politicians and non-profits in Seattle to overturn a tax which would have created an affordable housing fund for homeless evicted residents that is desperately needed in that city.
   Most recently, Amazon has colluded with ICE and police departments across the country to create a bug-ridden, racially-biased facial recognition software system that puts our communities in danger. Amazon holds the largest share of governmental contracts to maintain databases about detainees and undocumented people.
   We have to remember that these politicians and these corporate behemoths are afraid of people coming together to fight for community self-determination. They will say Amazon is too powerful to take on, and that we should make concessions, but as we look back to our beloved NYC history those who conceded never make history. New Yorkers did not concede to Robert Moses and his corporate gang to bulldoze NYC communities to build a mega expressway for wealthy suburbanites. 100,000 New Yorkers did not concede to corporations when they successfully fought and protested to establish an 8-hour work day in the 1800s. NYC has always been the city that belonged to the tenants and the workers. We should not look to these crooked politicians because they will wear the resistance band for street credit while behind closed doors negotiate our survival with corporations.
   Instead we are the change we have been waiting for. This is not just a Queens problem, this is a fight for our City, and we need everyone fighting alongside us, disturbing the peace every step of the way, in any way possible. So this is a call to individuals and community groups and anyone that’s interested in fighting against this ain’t-shit-company, share this and join us.
   Pray for the dead, fight like hell for the living. Amazon, it’s on.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 15, 2018, 11:26:52 PM
WHOA.

Queens Neighborhoods United
November 13 at 1:31 PM ·
***STATEMENT ON AMAZON TO COME TO QUEENS***
   To make it very clear, Queens Neighborhoods United is entirely against Amazon. We will not negotiate our survival and we’ll do everything in our power to shut them down. Our line is clear, fast and unflinching. We will make it impossible for them. We will target the politicians, the individuals, the institutions, the organizations and whoever else had the power to stop this deal.
   In a city with such wealth, we still have over 65,000 families homeless, NYCHA is 16 billion dollars in debt – its residents and many of our neighbors are living in mold-infested hazardous buildings, experiencing eviction, landlord terrorism, and crumbling infrastructure. We are told by city officials that this is because there are not enough tax revenues to repair these social dilemmas.
   How did the city suddenly come up with a plan to give such significant tax breaks and incentives to a corporation led by the richest man in the world? (Jeff Bezos makes $3,182 every second, according to Time.com)
   They say Amazon will create good jobs, but Amazon has a track record of relying heavily on short-term contract-based jobs without long-term security or benefits. Amazon uses mafia tactics to bully smaller thriving businesses forcing them to submit and sell their ownership status to Amazon (see what happened to diapers.com as an example).
   Amazon is notorious for abusing workers who must work intensive hours to the point where they are forced to pee in bottles to keep up with delivery orders. Jeff Bezos announced a wage increase to $15 an hour, but simultaneously stripped worker’s access to stock options and bonuses, leaving workers worse off.
   Amazon spent millions of dollars to lobby and buy out politicians and non-profits in Seattle to overturn a tax which would have created an affordable housing fund for homeless evicted residents that is desperately needed in that city.
   Most recently, Amazon has colluded with ICE and police departments across the country to create a bug-ridden, racially-biased facial recognition software system that puts our communities in danger. Amazon holds the largest share of governmental contracts to maintain databases about detainees and undocumented people.
   We have to remember that these politicians and these corporate behemoths are afraid of people coming together to fight for community self-determination. They will say Amazon is too powerful to take on, and that we should make concessions, but as we look back to our beloved NYC history those who conceded never make history. New Yorkers did not concede to Robert Moses and his corporate gang to bulldoze NYC communities to build a mega expressway for wealthy suburbanites. 100,000 New Yorkers did not concede to corporations when they successfully fought and protested to establish an 8-hour work day in the 1800s. NYC has always been the city that belonged to the tenants and the workers. We should not look to these crooked politicians because they will wear the resistance band for street credit while behind closed doors negotiate our survival with corporations.
   Instead we are the change we have been waiting for. This is not just a Queens problem, this is a fight for our City, and we need everyone fighting alongside us, disturbing the peace every step of the way, in any way possible. So this is a call to individuals and community groups and anyone that’s interested in fighting against this ain’t-shit-company, share this and join us.
   Pray for the dead, fight like hell for the living. Amazon, it’s on.

Are these the same folks who said Viva Comida was for gringos?
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: sl on November 16, 2018, 08:11:57 AM
Don't use the g-word.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on November 16, 2018, 09:45:32 AM
but DO use the g-spot.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on November 16, 2018, 10:04:14 AM
Yes to abc, and according to Shelby2, QNU also opposed Target.

Other groups that fall under the same umbrella are Queens Anti-Gentrification Project and Reform Queens for Economic Justice. (Reminds me of the Syrian opposition groups, so fluid you never know who your enemy is.)

These folks seem to be against "everything," and everybody except Alexandria.


Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 16, 2018, 10:15:03 AM
Don't use the g-word.

I am not a Hoover's FBI G-Man, but I suggest you tell Queens Neighborhood United not to use the g-word, as they are the ones who did.  Publicly on their posters. Or are Latinos allowed to use it and G's not allowed to use it? What about non Latinos and non G's, can they use it?

It's very confusing. I don't know what the rule is.

Plus I get different and contrary answers depending on who I ask about it!

Young folks don't seem to care.  Older people seem to be more sensitive.

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on November 16, 2018, 10:18:17 AM
I suggest you tell Queens Neighborhood United not to use the g-word. Or are Latinos allowed to use it and G's not allowed to use it?

Don't censor, let them show their true colors.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 16, 2018, 10:42:06 AM
Hey this is an interesting article on the word.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ombudsman/2011/01/26/133117715/is-the-word-gringo-offensive-or-just-distracting

Apparently the Reuter's rule is it should be used in quotes.  Like "gringo". 

Clarity is EVERYTHING!

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Shelby2 on November 16, 2018, 11:01:45 AM
Yes to abc, and according to Shelby2, QNU also opposed Target.

Other groups that fall under the same umbrella are Queens Anti-Gentrification Project and Reform Queens for Economic Justice. (Reminds me of the Syrian opposition groups, so fluid you never know who your enemy is.)

These folks seem to be against "everything," and everybody except Alexandria.

They are also very sensitive when they are asked who they are -- like their names/identities. I've seen this happen on their FB page, which I've looked at a few times during the height of the Target protests. They prefer to remain secretive, which I guess makes sense when they're posting all this kind of negative stuff all the time.

I also recall looking up their website on Whois.com about a year ago, before privacy rules were changed. (This was back when ostensibly you could look up the names of people who had registered a website.) At that time, the website was shown as being registered to a deceased 19th century socialist. So obviously they didn't want their real names used to register their website either.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Steeze on November 16, 2018, 01:35:07 PM
First post -

DW and I were looking for a co-op in Queens and targeted Jackson Heights due to the affordability and proximity to our jobs in LIC and Mid-town, decent public schools, and great food options all along the 7. We are early 30's professionals. After a couple month search we had our offer accepted a few days ago and are looking forward to making JH our home. We are also happy to have Amazon make LIC official on the same day our offer was accepted, and consider this news as a bit of downside protection. Looking forward to the changes in LIC and consider this the start of a trend that hopefully continues for years to come. We welcome the changes and investment that an influx of tech companies and employees will bring to the area.

Sad to see so many activists and politicians speaking out against HQ2. They won't have my vote in the future. Change is good.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: sl on November 16, 2018, 01:43:43 PM
First post -

DW and I were looking for a co-op in Queens and targeted Jackson Heights due to the affordability and proximity to our jobs in LIC and Mid-town, decent public schools, and great food options all along the 7. We are early 30's professionals. After a couple month search we had our offer accepted a few days ago and are looking forward to making JH our home. We are also happy to have Amazon make LIC official on the same day our offer was accepted, and consider this news as a bit of downside protection. Looking forward to the changes in LIC and consider this the start of a trend that hopefully continues for years to come. We welcome the changes and investment that an influx of tech companies and employees will bring to the area.

Sad to see so many activists and politicians speaking out against HQ2. They won't have my vote in the future. Change is good.

Not all changes are good but I agree that HQ2 is good for Queens and NYC.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 16, 2018, 01:57:43 PM
First post -

DW and I were looking for a co-op in Queens and targeted Jackson Heights due to the affordability and proximity to our jobs in LIC and Mid-town, decent public schools, and great food options all along the 7. We are early 30's professionals. After a couple month search we had our offer accepted a few days ago and are looking forward to making JH our home. We are also happy to have Amazon make LIC official on the same day our offer was accepted, and consider this news as a bit of downside protection. Looking forward to the changes in LIC and consider this the start of a trend that hopefully continues for years to come. We welcome the changes and investment that an influx of tech companies and employees will bring to the area.

Sad to see so many activists and politicians speaking out against HQ2. They won't have my vote in the future. Change is good.

Welcome to the neighborhood.

It seems lots of early 30-somethings are moving in. 

You'll find many peers here.  :)
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on November 16, 2018, 02:16:36 PM
i've agreed with these folks on some of their crusades, and disagreed with them on others, but that cloak of secrecy -- which i wasn't aware of --is certainly creepy. it mirrors the "dark money" folks on the far right and that attitude is lousy from any part of the spectrum.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: N00b on November 16, 2018, 03:32:01 PM
...Have yall seen Mountainview/Palo Alto and SF? I get that there are differences from NY but those places suck unless you have no soul or actual taste and just want packaged convenience
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 16, 2018, 04:16:59 PM
...Have yall seen Mountainview/Palo Alto and SF? I get that there are differences from NY but those places suck unless you have no soul or actual taste and just want packaged convenience

Looked online.  Mountainview/Palo Alto look really suburban.  Like Long Island or Westchester... that's nothing like urban NYC...

For NYC...in the 1900's it was the garment industry...in the 1950's it was advertising...in the 1980's onwards it was Wall Street...and now it's the tech industry's turn.  That's what's happening to NYC IMO.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on November 16, 2018, 04:46:33 PM
you need to be visionary enough to look forward 20 years.

to see a homogenous landscape of glass boxes.

think outside the box.

the beauty of new york is that each passing decade leaves less room for variety.

and so on. and so on. visionaries have an endless litany of slogans. carry on.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 16, 2018, 07:11:28 PM


Nostalgia is powerful. It is natural, human to long for the past, particularly when we can remember our histories as better than they were.   
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 16, 2018, 07:27:35 PM


Nostalgia is powerful. It is natural, human to long for the past, particularly when we can remember our histories as better than they were.   

*Roxanne Gay
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on November 17, 2018, 09:30:39 AM
Welcome, steeze.

Jeanette
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on November 17, 2018, 10:51:02 AM
Here is just one of too many examples why there are so many misinformed people against HQ2.

A tweet by DC journalist/WH correspondent @HunterW:
"Peak New York: Amazon is being given land in Queens that was supposed to go for affordable housing. Now 1,500 homes are off the table."

This is the problem--journalists making stuff up, and impressionable (read: drama driven) people "learning" on social media.
1) The land is not being given, but sold.
2) The 1500 homes were ideas for "affordable" apartments within market rate residential buildings of 6000 units.
3) The apartment buildings had not even begun to materialize, in ink or otherwise.
4) LIC is already residentially over-developed.
5) Amzn is planning a school, just as had one of the aforementioned sites.
6) HQ2 = opportunities for everyone.

I used to live in LIC. I loved it. I can no longer afford to live there. I also can't live on Park Ave. or in the Dakota.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on November 17, 2018, 01:15:42 PM
there are pros and cons.

i'm not sure how much Amazon is putting into the pockets of the developer that previously owned the land, but, according to Curbed, taxpayers are giving Amazon plenty:

" Amazon will receive $897 million from the city’s Relocation and Employment Assistance Program (REAP) and $386 million from the Industrial & Commercial Abatement Program (ICAP). It will receive an additional $505 million in a capital grant and $1.2 billion in “Excelsior” credits if its job creation goals are met."
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on November 17, 2018, 01:37:48 PM
Yes, dss, I agree there are cons. I don't like the sound of the tax breaks, but I also don't know how much taxes it will pay in and to the State and City in other ways and over time. Certainly and at the very least, 25000 employees will pay City and State taxes that ostensibly did not before.

Other cities also offered tax breaks. I don't know how Cuomo's deal compares to those. Every city but a Canadian city offered tax breaks. Pittsburgh I believe offered no taxes. Arlington is the city that offered the cash grant. How to compete with that.

The rich also get free checking, lower mortgage rates, and on and on. Money begets money.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 17, 2018, 02:03:57 PM
I recall that George Bush gave 900 Billion to the banking industry so it didn't collapse.

The smart thing for the city to do (and what George Bush should've done) is for the money to get some % of future shares of the company.

After all, the govt/city is an investor in the expansion of the company.

The city seems to believe in the company's future (Amazon's future).  The city is betting that Amazon will thrive.

And any other investor would negotiate a future return for investing big bucks.

This is where the American capitalist system is weird.

The government and city don't act like capitalists.  They act like a socialist charity for big and wealthy companies.  If the government/city acted more like a smart capitalist, then future returns from their prudent investing into companies like AMAZON, (and I'm talking specifically owning shares in the company) could go into improving the public needs (housing, education, health etc)...

The govt/city needs to negotiate like better capitalists.

Which is ironic, since America is meant to be capitalist.

There is a solution to everything!

 





Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on November 25, 2018, 01:06:16 PM
tomorrow at court square (trains may get crayzee)

Protect Queens #NoAmazonNYC, Nov 26 @ 5:00 pm – Nov 26 @ 8:00 pm
JOIN US and SAY NO #HQ2Scam
The heartbeat of Queens is the working class and immigrants, not billionaires. At a time when our city is facing a crisis of affordability, New York is looking to pay Amazon, the richest corporation in the world, billions of dollars to gentrify Queens. This is outrageous. Rather than creating good jobs for the community this deal will displace existing residents. We do not need nor want Amazon in our barrio.
– We need affordable housing, not further gentrification
– We need protections for immigrants, not a company that profits off of work with ICE
– We need more funding for transit, not billions in corporate subsidies
– We need good jobs, not a company that exploits workers

Our communities need real investment, not displacement. It’s time for New York to #NoAmazonNYC. https://www.facebook.com/events/467865657070996/

I had read that our representative, Oit'llcostu-Cortez, will be there as an organizer. I'm sad to see some of our local advocacy groups behind the rally, too.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: queenskid2 on November 25, 2018, 03:37:29 PM
tomorrow at court square (trains may get crayzee)

Protect Queens #NoAmazonNYC, Nov 26 @ 5:00 pm – Nov 26 @ 8:00 pm
JOIN US and SAY NO #HQ2Scam
The heartbeat of Queens is the working class and immigrants, not billionaires. At a time when our city is facing a crisis of affordability, New York is looking to pay Amazon, the richest corporation in the world, billions of dollars to gentrify Queens. This is outrageous. Rather than creating good jobs for the community this deal will displace existing residents. We do not need nor want Amazon in our barrio.
– We need affordable housing, not further gentrification

I had read that our representative, Oit'llcostu-Cortez, will be there as an organizer. I'm sad to see some of our local advocacy groups behind the rally, too.


We can debate the pros and cons of Amazon, but it's a little late to start mobilizing against gentrification in LIC.  That should have started before the 50th glass and steel tower went up. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 25, 2018, 07:11:02 PM

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We can debate the pros and cons of Amazon, but it's a little late to start mobilizing against gentrification in LIC.  That should have started before the 50th glass and steel tower went up.
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100% agree. That ship has long sailed.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on November 25, 2018, 08:15:27 PM
agreed, but on that topic, who else has been around long enough to remember this?

http://johnfekner.com/feknerArchive/?p=493
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH.77 on January 10, 2019, 09:36:27 AM
And now this:

Queens Housing Market Shifts In Wake Of Amazon HQ2 Announcement
Stribling & Associates
 

QUEENS, N.Y., Jan. 10, 2019 -- Stribling & Associates, a leading New York residential brokerage, today releases the fourth quarter Queens Market Report. The report is the only to cover inventory, reported contracts and sales across the entire borough. Like Manhattan and Brooklyn, Queens recorded a decline in the number of sales as the number of active listings increased. However, the borough managed to record both median and average price increases.

"Queens is one of the most diverse boroughs in the city, in terms of what drives prices," said Garrett Derderian, Director of Data & Reporting at Stribling. "Like Brooklyn, price increases for single and multi-family homes in the far-reaching markets drove overall price growth." Indeed, Southeastern Queens recorded a median price increase of 10%, and average increase of 11%. Southwestern Queens had equally impressive gains, with its median price up 9% and average up 12%."

"We continue to see a spillover effect from Brooklyn, as purchasers get priced out of that borough," Derderian stated. "We expect growth in those markets to continue at the steady pace it has been, notwithstanding some major shift in the market at-large."

Northwestern Queens, for example, saw an immediate shift with the recent announcement that tech giant Amazon selected the neighborhood for half of its HQ2. Prior to the announcement, there were concerns over whether demand would keep pace with the thousands of new units coming to market. However, once Amazon made the official announcement, those concerns faded quickly.

"Long Island City shifted from a buyer's market to a seller's market in the blink of an eye," said Patrick W. Smith, Stribling's Long Island City specialist. "The Amazon effect was immediate and has boosted interest in the area exponentially. Sellers no longer feel like they have to sell at a discount."

To be sure, Northwestern Queens saw the greatest contract price increases: The median jumped 14%, the average surged 12%, and the average price-per-foot was up 9%. Derderian added, "While we still have to wait to see what the final sales prices are, it is a promising sign for the area, especially as the rest of the city is in a 'reset mode' regarding pricing."

Properties in Queens spent an average of 118 days on the market in the fourth quarter, slightly higher than the 116 reported in Brooklyn. This was also the highest number of sales in a fourth quarter above $500K, and the highest percentage of sales above $1.5M.

"What we are seeing, especially in the Northwestern submarket, are some record or near-record setting transactions. This is a relatively new phenomenon for Queens but mirrors the heightened activity in the super-prime markets of Manhattan and Brooklyn, although at a lower price point," Derderian emphasized. Still, he advised these newly contracted sales are indeed a high price-point for Queens.

Looking ahead, Derderian offered the following: "We expect growth in all Queens submarkets to continue, although rising interest rates and affordability do present a challenge to that growth. Still, the borough offers many conveniences at a lower price point than Manhattan or Brooklyn, and along with the Amazon announcement, Queens is poised for a promising 2019." 

Highlights from Stribling & Associates Q4 Queens Market Report:

    Median sales price was $598,781, up 4% year-over-year (record)
    Average sales price was $675,183, up 5% year-over-year (record)
    Average price per square foot was $573, down 9% year-over-year
    Average days on market was 118, up from 111 in Q3
    There are 7.0 months of supply, up from 6.9 one year ago

Recorded Sales:

    There were 2,801 recorded sales to date, 5% less than one year ago
    Condo units saw an average PPSF of $944
    Houses and townhouses made up 65% of closings
    Co-op units had a median price of $340,000
    Properties sold between $500K-750K made up 31% of all closings
    16% of closings were under $350K
    Northwestern Queens was the most expensive market and had 7% of recorded sales
    Southeastern and Southwestern Queens saw the greatest overall price increases

Contracts Signed:

    There was a 3% decrease in the number of reported contracts
    Houses and townhouses totaled 39% of contracts
    Condos recorded the highest average PPSF at $1,056
    Houses and townhouses had the highest median price at $858,000
    16% of contracts were priced below $350K
    20% of contracts were priced above $1M
    Central Queens had the most contracts, with 41%
    Northwestern Queens recorded the strongest price increases across all measures

Inventory:

    There were 2,700 active units in the borough, a 4% increase year-over-year
    Condos made up 24% of inventory
    Condo units had the highest average PPSF at $963
    Co-op units were the most affordable, with an average PPSF of $475
    29% of inventory was priced above $1M
    10% of inventory was priced below $350K
    46% of inventory was priced between $500K-1M
    Northwestern Queens was the only submarket with a median and average price topping $1M
    Northwestern Queens was the only submarket with an average price-per-foot above $1,000

About Stribling & Associates

Stribling & Associates, Ltd. is a premier residential real estate firm with over 300 agents throughout five locations across Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Long Island City. As one of the most renowned brokerages in New York, Stribling uses its respected expertise in the current market to provide individualized services to both buyer and sellers. Stribling agents specialize in the sale of luxury townhouses and cooperative and condominium apartments. The company's philosophy is based on professional, personalized services coupled with exceptional knowledge of key residential market trends. Stribling Private Brokerage specializes in the discreet marketing of properties over $5 million and commands a prominent market share in that sector of Manhattan residential real estate. Through strategic partnerships with Miami's Cervera and international estate services firm Savills, Stribling's global reach extends to more than 700 offices worldwide.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: petster on January 10, 2019, 05:42:14 PM
FUN!
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JHMNY on February 08, 2019, 12:06:36 PM
From The Washington Post:

Facing opposition, Amazon reconsiders NY headquarters site, two officials say (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/facing-opposition-amazon-reconsiders-ny-headquarters-site-two-officials-say/2019/02/08/451ffc52-2a19-11e9-b011-d8500644dc98_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d6f5b7bdc00c)

No specific plans to abandon New York have been made. And it is possible that Amazon would try to use a threat to withdraw to put pressure on New York officials. But with a meeting of the state’s Public Authorities Control Board and a third City Council hearing expected later this month, Amazon executives may be reaching an inflection point, the people said.

“I think now is the time for Amazon to make a decision because it has to start hiring,” said one person. “At some point, the project starts to fall behind.”
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: toddg on February 08, 2019, 10:26:25 PM
If Amazon walks, the Democrats' control of the State Senate will be very short-lived.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 08, 2019, 11:14:26 PM
AOC comes out excited over plans of Amazon to leave NYC

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/rep-aoc-successfully-blocking-amazon-moving-queens/

She doesn’t even represent that area. Rep. Maloney should put her in her place.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on February 09, 2019, 02:38:15 AM
Proponents of the project, including Cuomo and de Blasio, have said, for every $1 Amazon receives in incentives, the city and state will receive $9 in return.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2019/02/08/amazon-to-lic-latest
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on February 09, 2019, 09:05:04 AM
they have SAID that.

those who pushed through the corporate tax breaks last year SAID we'd all be getting huge benefits in our personal taxes. the reality is very different.

i'm completely on the fence about Amazon. there's no denying the benefit of added jobs. that's the biggest thing by far and a HUGE plus. but the {fairly large} number of native Seattleites i know insist that campus sprawl and influence have made day to day life worse in a pretty wide radius.

and, as unlikely as it seems now, what if a future administration follows through on the current administration's regular threats to enact anti-trust legislation against Amazon, effectively breaking it up?

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 09, 2019, 09:38:34 AM
LIC is already ultra-gentrified. 

Even 10 years ago it cost top $'s to live there. I looked.

25,000 in a population of 2.5 million in Queens ain't gonna really change Queens.

This hysteria is irrational.

The population of inner Seattle where Amazon is situated is less than 750,000. 50,000 are Amazonians.

It's a mathematical numbers game. But folks are not being driven by logic.  Rather by emotion.






Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on February 09, 2019, 10:44:48 AM
and if Amazon flounders, or is legislated out of existence by anti-trust laws, 25,000 more unemployed is no big deal, and a cratering local real estate market won't affect anyone.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jh35 on February 09, 2019, 11:07:28 AM
LIC is already ultra-gentrified. 

Even 10 years ago it cost top $'s to live there. I looked.

25,000 in a population of 2.5 million in Queens ain't gonna really change Queens.

This hysteria is irrational.

The population of inner Seattle where Amazon is situated is less than 750,000. 50,000 are Amazonians.

It's a mathematical numbers game. But folks are not being driven by logic.  Rather by emotion.

The "hysteria" is just as much about giving billions of dollars to one of the richest men in the world while nickel and dime-ing the local residents.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on February 09, 2019, 11:21:53 AM
I imagine that the Executives at Amazon will reconsider the $7 Billion dollar offer from the New Jersey Governor to build in Newark and the $6.5 Billion dollar offer from the Governor of Maryland to build in Baltimore.   
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: itsit on February 09, 2019, 11:57:36 AM
 Am thinking that the precedent of what has happened in Seattle and to a lesser extent, San Francisco, is the strongest
case against Amazon here. Once burned, twice shy as the saying goes. And the idea that Queensbridge residents would
be secure in their housing and offered jobs without a contractual obligation seems naive to expect Queens to believe.
The tax incentives can be amortized or put into whatever algorithms they want but the gut feel is that we will all collectively
be the worse for them being here.

Westchester, Manhattan and Long Island residents might be disappointed but Western Queens, maybe not so much.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 09, 2019, 12:01:28 PM
LIC is already ultra-gentrified. 

Even 10 years ago it cost top $'s to live there. I looked.

25,000 in a population of 2.5 million in Queens ain't gonna really change Queens.

This hysteria is irrational.

The population of inner Seattle where Amazon is situated is less than 750,000. 50,000 are Amazonians.

It's a mathematical numbers game. But folks are not being driven by logic.  Rather by emotion.

The "hysteria" is just as much about giving billions of dollars to one of the richest men in the world while nickel and dime-ing the local residents.

I have said it before.  What De Blasio and Cuomo should have done is acted like businessmen. And negotiated a % of future Amazon profits or shares for our billions of dollars of Amazon investment... apart from the jobs etc.  They were not great businessmen.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on February 09, 2019, 12:05:33 PM
Mr. Bezos is not receiving $3 Billion Dollars from New York.   There are 491.2 Million Outstanding Shares.  Mr. Bezos currently owns 78,899,000 shares which represents 16.0% of the outstanding shares.  Institutions own 55.2% of the outstanding shares and individual investors own 28.8% of the outstanding shares. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on February 09, 2019, 01:06:43 PM
and, when you think about it, Mr. Bezos can use his share for good. like tormenting the clowns in D.C. who've tried to destroy him by sharing "intimate photos."

his response indicates he's not ashamed of what those might reveal, unlike those who are theatening him ;)
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 09, 2019, 03:06:32 PM
Amazon should of moved to Florida or Texas because they have zero state and city taxes. In the long run that is worth much more than any tax breaks they got from NYC. There is much more land to build a whole corporate park with free parking for the employees.

People don’t understand that Amazon was offered the same benefits available to any business willing to create jobs in Queens. The difference with the huge number is that nobody ever created 25k jobs in Queens from an out of state corporation. Amazon should probably reconsider moving here and avoid all our lunatic local politicians who never created even one job.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 09, 2019, 08:36:54 PM
 Now this nonsense

https://nypost.com/2019/02/09/amazon-hq2-plans-deeply-dividing-queens-community/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on February 10, 2019, 08:37:39 AM
JK Resident:  I completely agree that Amazon should reconsider New York and move elsewhere.  It never made sense selecting NYC with a high cost of living plus both a State & City Income tax and an almost 9% sales tax.  Beside Florida & Texas which  has only a Federal Income Tax, Pennsylvania is the only State with a flat tax which is 3.1% regardless of income plus lots of very affordable housing.  Based on the number of shares that Mr. Bezos owns, his portion of the NY $3 Billion is $480 Million.  If Maryland has been chosen it would have been $1.0 Billion.  If New Jersey had been chosen it would be $1.1 Billion.  Those of us long term Amazon stockholders who follow the company on Amazon Yahoo Message Board strongly believe that within 5 years the stock has the potential to be $5,000 a share.  If this should happen Mr. Bezos shares will be worth $395 Billion Dollars so if you look at the big picture $480 Million means very little. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 10, 2019, 09:04:50 AM
NYC is a world center for any company.

If you're not here, you're pretty much nowhere.

NYC is the pinnacle.  The global standard.

It's obvious why Amazon wants to be here.

And that's the reason everything is so much more expensive in this town.

Everyone and every company with ambitions wants to be here.

De Blasio and Cuomo ought to have made Amazon PAY the city to be in NY.

They boasted about their negotiating skills. But they neglected to value the very thing they were selling. New York itself.

 :)

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Olivesta on February 10, 2019, 09:06:42 AM
Looks like the small businesses of LIC are fighting back against the politicians and activists who are trying to kill this deal. Sign if you are in favor of Amazon coming.

https://www.change.org/p/long-island-city-small-businesses-collect-signatures-in-support-of-amazon-hq2-in-long-island-city?cs_tk=Ank3JV0jy4oHIMrQYVwAAXicyyvNyQEABF8BvN7IQz3fHdxg_MD_CmKjnP0=&utm_campaign=380795dd05f94d909911803281a66879&utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_signer_receipt&utm_term=cs
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jh35 on February 10, 2019, 09:18:07 AM
NYC is a world center for any company.

If you're not here, you're pretty much nowhere.

NYC is the pinnacle.  The global standard.

It's obvious why Amazon wants to be here.

And that's the reason everything is so much more expensive in this town.

Everyone and every company with ambitions wants to be here.

De Blasio and Cuomo ought to have made Amazon PAY the city to be in NY.

They boasted about their negotiating skills. But they neglected to value the very thing they were selling. New York itself.

 :)

well said
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on February 10, 2019, 11:43:10 AM
You guys make up your own facts.

AMZN chose NYC for its talent pool. The tax breaks were offered everywhere and just about anywhere, in many cases on better terms. It's not about the money.

I would be the first in line if I could get my hands on a 1 to 9 return on investment. In dollar terms, it is 27.5 billion. I would think the socialists would be salivating.

The 25,000 jobs plus innumerable peripheral service jobs are NYC residents' jobs, not out-of-towners coming here to push us out. Queensbridgers are in an opportunity zone.

NYC is far too diversified and strategic to be compared to outcomes in Seattle. And their coffee is lousy. Seattle is most likely better off because of Amazon, but the grass is always greener....
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: avejh on February 10, 2019, 12:36:01 PM
If you support this project, it’s time to voice it up!

https://www.change.org/p/long-island-city-small-businesses-collect-signatures-in-support-of-amazon-hq2-in-long-island-city
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Gordan on February 10, 2019, 10:16:38 PM
I would say that anyone supporting this project is willfully putting their head in the sand and should go back and read this 2015 NY Times article about Amazon's toxic work place culture.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html

I have been to both 3 1/2 hour city council meetings about this. Here is what was revealed. After pitting american cities against each other in a sham contest, Amazon is now pitting unions against each other by making agreements with one and parading them around but, refusing to make agreements with any others.

They also flat out said they would not sign a neutrality agreement if workers wanted to organize. Meaning that if, maybe, people wanted to form a union in the future, they would intervene.

My friend is a small business owner in Seattle. He has his own record shop. I asked if Amazon employees shop at the store or does the company support small businesses. His response was that they don't support brick and morter shops because they are pushing streaming and online services. The people who do shop there are actually from other countries here on work visas, not people from Seattle, Washington state, or even the US.

Additionally, the city of Seattle is now plagued by traffic because a big part of tech culture is taking your own car somewhere with ride share apps. His friend drives a city bus and he can't go anywhere at work as a result of the added congestion. The topic of traffic, cars, and fatal accidents is a regular subject on this forum.

I'm confident it would be pretty easy for one of the largest tech companies to create a bunch of fake online profiles to sign petitions and post here in support of them. That's pretty much what they are in the business of doing, more or less fooling people.

Please read the above link.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 10, 2019, 10:31:49 PM
Nobody buys at record shops or book stores anymore. Seattle is home to many technology companies and has no state income tax. Jobs create traffic and fills subway cars. If you close companies then you have less congestion. NYC subways were built for millions of people living and working in close proximity. You can try to stop progress but the global economy stops for nobody. The fulfillment center on the BQE probably will lead to the closure of many businesses in Jackson Heights. This will happen regardless if the headquarters is in Queens or not.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 11, 2019, 09:03:57 AM
The answers to the future are always in the historical past.

In the 1800's, in Britain folks fought the industrial revolution and the changes it heralded.(The Luddites.)

But like holding back the tide, it proved impossible to curtail technological progress in the long run.

Eventually, the Industrial Revolution  led to a complete change of the status quo of British society.

The same applies now with the online technological revolution currently occurring.

Only the myopic believe they can stop it. 

And in the long term, they will learn it will prove fruitless to prevent the future from happening.

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Gordan on February 11, 2019, 10:05:52 AM
I think you you guys are misinterpreting the concern here. It is absolutely not about technology and fear of change or the new. This is about resources and how they are allocated. The city is at an all time population high and settling  thousands more people in the area doesn't yield more or increase quality of life. It's a give away to one of the largest companies IN THE WORLD. And it's likely that the Governor and Mayor support it because they are politically ambitious and need contributions for their next campaigns. Look deeper. Don't just take it at face value by focusing on the tech element.

Let Amazon move to a less populated area on NY. There are plenty of options within the state.

If you want to use history as an example, multiple empires throughout civilizations collapsed by overexpanding. Corruption took hold when rulers were not being held accountable. And the groups at the bottom waged revolts because they were left with nothing else to lose. That is the seed of history. As true today as it was in ANY ancient culture.

The English also greatly believed in a feudal system where there is no chance for upward mobility and that blood determines your station. And that's why Ned Ludd formed a rebellion. That is literally what the framers of the constitution were responding to.


Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 11, 2019, 12:16:38 PM
I think you you guys are misinterpreting the concern here. It is absolutely not about technology and fear of change or the new. This is about resources and how they are allocated. The city is at an all time population high and settling  thousands more people in the area doesn't yield more or increase quality of life. It's a give away to one of the largest companies IN THE WORLD. And it's likely that the Governor and Mayor support it because they are politically ambitious and need contributions for their next campaigns. Look deeper. Don't just take it at face value by focusing on the tech element.

Let Amazon move to a less populated area on NY. There are plenty of options within the state.

If you want to use history as an example, multiple empires throughout civilizations collapsed by overexpanding. Corruption took hold when rulers were not being held accountable. And the groups at the bottom waged revolts because they were left with nothing else to lose. That is the seed of history. As true today as it was in ANY ancient culture.

The English also greatly believed in a feudal system where there is no chance for upward mobility and that blood determines your station. And that's why Ned Ludd formed a rebellion. That is literally what the framers of the constitution were responding to.

The boat has sailed for NYC.  It is already gentrified. And has been for at least the last 10 years. New York has changed. High population.  Gentrified outer boroughs. The New York of NOW is fantastic.



Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 11, 2019, 01:11:07 PM
And I believe that the New York of the future will be even BETTER!
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Gordan on February 11, 2019, 01:43:57 PM
Here is a report from the great low tax state of Arizona and how despite being able to attractive the tech industry, it is splitting up the work force because it is actually NOT getting spread around. Which is exactly what Amazon claimed WOULD happen in Queens in their testimony to city council.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/04/business/economy/productivity-inequality-wages.html

Another, thing that was revealing at the hearings is that it is a non binding agreement and can be nullified.

Read the links I posted, I don’t think you can say it’s a good thing for us. Just because areas of the city have gentrified doesn’t mean we need to sit down and except the terms that they are dictating to us. That’s not a democracy.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 11, 2019, 02:22:31 PM
If you are talking democracy, the polls are showing that a greater % want Amazon than don't. The majority.

Or does democracy to you mean it should be what you think and disregard the majority opinion?

That seems to be a very common interpretation of democracy that I come across...
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: itsit on February 11, 2019, 02:35:51 PM
 I trust Jeanette here as a regular poster with the numbers. My problem is the gut check with Amazon and the question
of whether we will be better off? Is there a recent comparable - even somewhat close - of an industry coming
into a city like ours and making it better for current residents? Would like to know how others dealt with it successfully
if there is such a place.

Also think they (AMZN and NYC pols) did a terrible job of dealing with the public here which is another area of suspicion
and precedent. If we don't question this deal, what fresh hell awaits us in the future?
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Gordan on February 11, 2019, 03:14:23 PM
These polls are paid for by Amazon. Where you aware of that?!

Maybe most people who answered didn’t have good information. This is not about me and my opinion. I’ve posted links for anyone to read by mainstream sources. It’s not to have some silly tiff on the internet. It’s so that people can understand what this company is about, what it’s like to work there, and how a major project like this can negatively impact the immediate area. Which is were we all reside.

Many people have cited Seattle as a way to gauge the impact and that was why my initial post was about my friend who lives there and what he has experienced.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 11, 2019, 03:16:37 PM
I trust Jeanette here as a regular poster with the numbers. My problem is the gut check with Amazon and the question
of whether we will be better off? Is there a recent comparable - even somewhat close - of an industry coming
into a city like ours and making it better for current residents? Would like to know how others dealt with it successfully
if there is such a place.


Henry T Ford in Detroit in 1908 with the model T Ford.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 11, 2019, 03:27:49 PM
These polls are paid for by Amazon. Where you aware of that?!

Maybe most people who answered didn’t have good information. This is not about me and my opinion. I’ve posted links for anyone to read by mainstream sources. It’s not to have some silly tiff on the internet. It’s so that people can understand what this company is about, what it’s like to work there, and how a major project like this can negatively impact the immediate area. Which is were we all reside.

Many people have cited Seattle as a way to gauge the impact and that was why my initial post was about my friend who lives there and what he has experienced.

Have you been to LIC?  It's already incredibly gentrified. It costs top $'s to live there.  It's fancy. It was even gentrified 10 years ago.  Amazon will not change LIC because that ship already sailed years ago.

I was looking at shots of Seattle pre and post-Amazon.  The post-Amazon shots of Seattle look like how LIC already looks NOW. Take the 7 train and get off at LIC.  You'll see for yourself.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on February 12, 2019, 09:29:19 AM
According to a recent Sienna Poll, 58% of NYC Residents approve of Amazon HQ2 in LIC.  Whites = 51% Approval, Blacks = 70% Approval and Latinos = 81% Approval.  However, this is based on just 774 participants.
Those who are against Amazon seem to be far more vocal and getting a lot more media attention.   
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 12, 2019, 09:33:32 AM
According to a recent Sienna Poll, 58% of NYC Residents approve of Amazon HQ2 in LIC.  Whites = 51% Approval, Blacks = 70% Approval and Latinos = 81% Approval.  However, this is based on just 774 participants.
Those who are against Amazon seem to be far more vocal and getting a lot more media attention.   

Plus those against Amazon seem to be determined to ignore or invalidate or minimize the will of the majority.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jh35 on February 12, 2019, 10:37:47 AM
According to a recent Sienna Poll, 58% of NYC Residents approve of Amazon HQ2 in LIC.  Whites = 51% Approval, Blacks = 70% Approval and Latinos = 81% Approval.  However, this is based on just 774 participants.
Those who are against Amazon seem to be far more vocal and getting a lot more media attention.   

The poll should have asked if people approve of NYS giving Amazon billions of dollars. Most people are not against the jobs, even though the 7 train is a third world atrocity. (the train. not the people, geesh.)
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Gordan on February 12, 2019, 10:54:16 AM
And now this from today!

https://www.theonion.com/fly-my-pretties-says-jeff-bezos-releasing-swarm-of-1832469973
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on February 12, 2019, 12:07:49 PM
Amazon will receive $3 Billion in subsidies from both NYC & NY State over a long period of time which I believe (not certain) is 10 years.  If so, this amounts to $300 Million Dollars a year based on 10 years.  The combined budget for both NYC & NY State for July 1, 2019 to June 30, 2020 is $268.2 Billion Dollars.  When you compare $300 Million to $268.2 Billion, the NY State & NY City offer is a bargain especially when you consider Governor Christie offered $7 Billion Dollars and the Governor of Maryland offered $6.5 Billion.  Just this morning, the new Governor of New Jersey is reaching out to Amazon in hopes that they will consider Newark. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jh35 on February 12, 2019, 12:26:14 PM
Amazon will receive $3 Billion in subsidies from both NYC & NY State over a long period of time which I believe (not certain) is 10 years.  If so, this amounts to $300 Million Dollars a year based on 10 years.  The combined budget for both NYC & NY State for July 1, 2019 to June 30, 2020 is $268.2 Billion Dollars.  When you compare $300 Million to $268.2 Billion, the NY State & NY City offer is a bargain especially when you consider Governor Christie offered $7 Billion Dollars and the Governor of Maryland offered $6.5 Billion.  Just this morning, the new Governor of New Jersey is reaching out to Amazon in hopes that they will consider Newark.

If it means nothing to the budget, why do they need $2.50 if someone drives to Manhattan?
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jh35 on February 12, 2019, 12:44:14 PM
Amazon will receive $3 Billion in subsidies from both NYC & NY State over a long period of time which I believe (not certain) is 10 years.  If so, this amounts to $300 Million Dollars a year based on 10 years.  The combined budget for both NYC & NY State for July 1, 2019 to June 30, 2020 is $268.2 Billion Dollars.  When you compare $300 Million to $268.2 Billion, the NY State & NY City offer is a bargain especially when you consider Governor Christie offered $7 Billion Dollars and the Governor of Maryland offered $6.5 Billion.  Just this morning, the new Governor of New Jersey is reaching out to Amazon in hopes that they will consider Newark.

If it means nothing to the budget, why do they need $2.50 if someone drives to Manhattan?

And, as the other thread points out, Cuomo also wants to have a train that connects to the 7 train from LGA. The 7 is already overcrowded.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jh35 on February 12, 2019, 01:02:30 PM
(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F39%2F81%2Fb8%2F3981b816985482f411dbeb015d7b0454.jpg&f=1)

The new Queensboro Plaza station
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: francis on February 12, 2019, 02:45:35 PM
Oh ..... i thought it was Roosevelt Avenue.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 12, 2019, 07:21:09 PM
Apparently many new businesses get these tax breaks to entice them to New York. Not just Amazon. So the hysteria is even less rational...

http://gothamist.com/2019/02/12/nyc_tax_breaks_development.php?utm_source=WNYC+%2B+Gothamist&utm_campaign=5899360a6d-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65dbec786b-5899360a6d-82261309&mc_cid=5899360a6d&mc_eid=c9f90b886d
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jh35 on February 12, 2019, 07:56:34 PM
Apparently many new businesses get these tax breaks to entice them to New York. Not just Amazon. So the hysteria is even less rational...

http://gothamist.com/2019/02/12/nyc_tax_breaks_development.php?utm_source=WNYC+%2B+Gothamist&utm_campaign=5899360a6d-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65dbec786b-5899360a6d-82261309&mc_cid=5899360a6d&mc_eid=c9f90b886d

Many companies gave concessions to the city too. Subway entrances built into new buildings, public spaces (with waterfalls, picnic tables), areas for schools, low cost housing. Not all companies are totally greedy and out to take everything they can get. Before corporations were people, some tried to be good citizens.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: toddg on February 12, 2019, 09:06:51 PM
The great Kenneth T. Jackson puts Amazon's HQ2 in historic context: New York Needs Amazon (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/12/opinion/amazon-hq2-new-york.html)

And here's further evidence that there's nothing unusual about the Amazon deal: IBM, SUNY Poly creating artificial intelligence center in Albany (https://www.timesunion.com/business/article/IBM-SUNY-Poly-creating-artificial-intelligence-13597273.php).
This is welcome news.  I have no complaints about it.   But that's $300 million for "hundreds" of jobs.  If "hundreds" means 500 jobs, then that would be $600,000 per job.  If "hundreds" means 1000 jobs, then that would be $300,000 per job.

Note that Amazon HQ2 would create 25,000 jobs within a decade and up to 40,000 jobs within 25 years.  Assuming the lower end of this range, the $3B subsidy would amount to $120,000 per job created.

Both of these projects are anchoring technology jobs here in New York State, which is absolutely critical for the long-term health of our economy.   I think we should have a vigorous debate about the details of the HQ2 campus, and ensure there are benefits to the community, but I'm with Professor Jackson: New York cannot afford to lose HQ2.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Matt on February 12, 2019, 11:13:40 PM
We are a city of 8.5 million people. 25,000 is less than 1% of an increase - and these won't all be new people, some of us live here already. Seattle's population is under 1 million. It's not fair to compare the two.

The article Todd shared is right on point. The city needs to continue to evolve and to diversify the types of businesses that operate here. We never recovered all of the finance jobs that were lost during the great recession, to work towards scaring Amazon and all of the associated jobs that would come with them is foolish. This city definitely has problems, but I think people should direct their anger and frustration elsewhere. More opportunity is a good thing.

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on February 13, 2019, 09:00:16 AM
It does sound great on paper. but saying "Note that Amazon HQ2 would create 25,000 jobs within a decade and up to 40,000 jobs within 25 years.  Assuming the lower end of this range, the $3B subsidy would amount to $120,000 per job created" isn't entirely accurate. It's COULD create. it could ultimately create 5,000 jobs. or fewer.

the city and state were forced to make concrete guarantees as to what they're giving Amazon. Amazon should be forced to make concrete guarantees in return. then, it's a fair deal.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on February 13, 2019, 10:00:37 AM
dssjh:  If I remember correctly, the subsidies would be given to Amazon over a very long period of time based on actual performance/results and not promises. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: itsit on February 13, 2019, 10:19:28 AM
 Hearing that Newark is still interested in welcoming Amazon seems like the best move to me. They need it, they want it
and after hearing all of the complaining, they still have the welcome mat out. Also, it doesn't help to say anyone is hysterical
that doesn't want the Amazon deal. Am nowhere near hysterical but more like skeptical and it has just been hard to get a
clean read on both sides from pol (politicians) and the press.
 
We'll get tech jobs in NYC and Queens too, for sure but hopefully in numbers that don't feel so overwhelming to our
community and that are spread out over the NYC area. Funny that the Roosevelt Island tech center, school and housing
is less than one mile from this site and was handled so much differently even accounting for the difference in scale of
projects.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 13, 2019, 11:51:06 AM
Young tech folk won't be coming to Jackson Heights. There will hardly be any change here. This fear about change is overblown.

That's why LIC is perfect.  It's close to Williamsburg and Manhattan and Astoria where the young tech people are and will be.

 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 13, 2019, 12:02:04 PM
Who would open a business in Newark?, known for its high crime rate and poverty? Chicago is also calling desperately. It’s too cold there. Austin or Tampa/Orlando are real options. Austin is already home to many technology companies. Housing is much cheaper than LIC. Even if you pay workers $120k after state city income taxes and astronomical housing costs, there will be little left for the workers to spend. If you want a car the garage will cost you $350 a month to park. High utilities costs add to the burden. The same $120k could get you a house in Fl or TX. The politicians are forgetting that the workers will be paying city and state income taxes. At 25k jobs, that means a lot of money at a time when many high income individuals are leaving NYC.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 13, 2019, 12:08:07 PM
Smart technology workers will come to Jackson Heights when they see what those new luxury rentals cost in LIC. $3000+ a month for a one bedroom. Many will figure out you could buy a coop or condo in JH and hop on the train for ten minutes.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 13, 2019, 12:15:17 PM
Location is everything.  Young folks like to be where young folks are.  And they are prepared to pay top $'s for that.

That is simply a fact. It is a question of priorities. (And maybe escaping from folks who remind them of their parents :) )

C'mon, older posters on this board must remember what it was like to be young?

A big part of being young means socializing and having fun with your peers!
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 13, 2019, 12:38:43 PM
I have accepted that my peers will rarely travel here to Jackson Heights.

And that I have to go to the centers where young folk hang.

(But the great thing is that transportation is excellent to get pretty much anywhere from the Roosevelt Ave stop.)
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on February 13, 2019, 12:40:09 PM
The problem a young person would have purchasing a cooperative in Jackson Heights or anywhere is the up front costs.  If you're looking at a $450,000 one bedroom cooperative in Jackson Heights you'll need 20% down (for most cooperatives) which is $90,000 + closing costs + other costs if its not in prime move in condition.  They will most likely be renting and there is very little rental inventory in Jackson Heights.  I was a rental agent many years ago in Manhattan and two singles sharing a one bedroom was very common so a luxury $3,000+ one bedroom would not be a problem. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 13, 2019, 12:46:35 PM
The problem a young person would have purchasing a cooperative in Jackson Heights or anywhere is the up front costs.  If you're looking at a $450,000 one bedroom cooperative in Jackson Heights you'll need 20% down (for most cooperatives) which is $90,000 + closing costs + other costs if its not in prime move in condition.  They will most likely be renting and there is very little rental inventory in Jackson Heights.  I was a rental agent many years ago in Manhattan and two singles sharing a one bedroom was very common so a luxury $3,000+ one bedroom would not be a problem.

Agreed. Jackson Heights is definitely not the affordable option that it used to be.  For a few years now.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 13, 2019, 12:48:05 PM
This is not what others believe

 https://streeteasy.com/blog/nyc-neighborhoods-amazon-arrival-impact/

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 13, 2019, 12:51:56 PM
This is not what others believe

 https://streeteasy.com/blog/nyc-neighborhoods-amazon-arrival-impact/

Real estate hyperbole. Besides, nowadays tech workers will only work 2 or 3 years @ Amazon or wherever. Before the next tech job.

Most are not interested in putting down "roots" which is really what a neighborhood like Jackson Heights offers.

Today, it's a different, less encumbered lifestyle to previous generations...The tech "lifestyle" has nothing to do with the "Levittown" American dream. Mobility is highly valued.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 13, 2019, 01:20:17 PM
New rental almost finished on 72nd Street. Sterling bank sold another tower coming.
LIC average rent $3500 for a one bedroom. There will certainly be more rental towers in JH.

https://www.propertyshark.com/Real-Estate-Reports/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Amazon-map_new.png?_gl=1*1tmwl9d*_ga*YW1wLWtwbXZiQjFaUTZVcXRONFZSZDlIVWZrdGxzSUZaQi1YbXVKR0l6c2J3SWliWkVDQTF6blBNZVhPa2ljaFdDcGs.
 
JH looks like a bargain.

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 13, 2019, 01:23:29 PM
New rental almost finished on 72nd Street. Sterling bank sold another tower coming.
LIC average rent $3500 for a one bedroom. There will certainly be more rental towers in JH.

https://www.propertyshark.com/Real-Estate-Reports/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Amazon-map_new.png?_gl=1*1tmwl9d*_ga*YW1wLWtwbXZiQjFaUTZVcXRONFZSZDlIVWZrdGxzSUZaQi1YbXVKR0l6c2J3SWliWkVDQTF6blBNZVhPa2ljaFdDcGs.
 
JH looks like a bargain.

Instead of fabricating, I suggest you speak to a 20-something person in tech.  Do your research.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: deja on February 13, 2019, 01:31:14 PM
Besides, nowadays tech workers will only work 2 or 3 years @ Amazon or wherever. Before the next tech job.

It's also not a matter of what tech workers may personally want.  The way the industry works, you get more out of moving on every couple of years than staying with a single employer.  More in terms of both money and experience with different systems.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 13, 2019, 01:49:40 PM
It only makes sense to believe that Amazon will have a effect on JH housing prices. JH is only two stops on the E or M away. I don’t need to speak to a tech worker who lives in India to ask him or her what they want. Amazon hires huge numbers of Indian computer programmers who come to the US on H1 visas. The US universities don’t have enough  American students that study computer science. While not all workers will be Indian, many will be because the best schools for computer programming are in India. Who are the CEOs of Microsoft and Google? Indian Americans. What neighborhood sells Indian food and has Indian restaurants. Jackson Heights.

 https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/the-amazon-effect-in-new-york-will-reach-beyond-long-island-city-117444

 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: the80s on February 13, 2019, 01:54:41 PM
New rental almost finished on 72nd Street. Sterling bank sold another tower coming.
LIC average rent $3500 for a one bedroom. There will certainly be more rental towers in JH.

https://www.propertyshark.com/Real-Estate-Reports/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Amazon-map_new.png?_gl=1*1tmwl9d*_ga*YW1wLWtwbXZiQjFaUTZVcXRONFZSZDlIVWZrdGxzSUZaQi1YbXVKR0l6c2J3SWliWkVDQTF6blBNZVhPa2ljaFdDcGs.
 
JH looks like a bargain.

Instead of fabricating, I suggest you speak to a 20-something person in tech.  Do your research.

But everyone who works in tech is not in their 20s. I know people who work for Google, for example, who are in their thirties with kids and mortgages, who live in quiet neighborhoods. That's a significant share of the people who work at companies like this. Sure, Amazon will recruit plenty of people right out of college who probably would (for the most part) have no interest in a place like JH, but if Amazon is hiring 25,000 people, they won't all be entry-level programmers with no job experience whose main interest is nightlife.

I think with those numbers, I'd be surprised if JH doesn't become an attractive option for at least some new Amazon employees. Whether it's enough to have a significant impact on the neighborhood, I'm not sure. The potential impact on the neighborhood directly adjacent to the company's new campus seems much clearer.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: seattlelite on February 13, 2019, 01:59:21 PM
Smart technology workers will come to Jackson Heights when they see what those new luxury rentals cost in LIC. $3000+ a month for a one bedroom. Many will figure out you could buy a coop or condo in JH and hop on the train for ten minutes.

If Amazon comes to LIC then the E/M from Jackson Heights to Amazonia is about 16 minutes, yeah.

But note that even if Amazon doesn't come, the E is 24 minutes to Google, and Google is already here and expanding massively (to 20,000+ according to https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-plans-large-new-york-city-expansion-1541636579). And I think people do tend to stay at Google for longer than just 1 or 2 years, unlike Amazon, so they might be interested in buying rather than just renting.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 13, 2019, 02:11:29 PM
What I do find funny is that I can imagine the PR and Marketing geniuses at Amazon coming up with this nation-wide competition for Amazon HQ2. 

And congratulating themselves on their brilliance.

And now it seems to have blown up in their faces because they made such a big deal about it.

Had they negotiated the exact same terms on the down-low, like Google and others have done, there would be no issue.

In a way, the publicity-seeking Amazon geniuses brought this problem on themselves!



Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 13, 2019, 03:11:50 PM
Google is moving to Hudson Yards in Manhattan. Amazon is moving to the outer borough of Queens. That is something no major company has ever done. Those benefits are only available if you move to Queens. It is all based on laws in Albany done years ago to help poorer outer boroughs.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 13, 2019, 04:50:48 PM
Google is moving to Hudson Yards in Manhattan. Amazon is moving to the outer borough of Queens. That is something no major company has ever done. Those benefits are only available if you move to Queens. It is all based on laws in Albany done years ago to help poorer outer boroughs.

I believe Hudson Yards also has city tax breaks.

I would say the Metro-tech section in Downtown Brooklyn has been a biz center since when?  The 80's? 90's?

Queens, LIC is next. (now) Though Citibank did start it in LIC in the what? The 80's?   Then the South Bronx.

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: the80s on February 14, 2019, 11:48:09 AM
Big news— Amazon has cancelled its plans for a campus in NYC. So looks like no Amazon in LIC after all.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/nyregion/amazon-hq2-queens.html
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on February 14, 2019, 11:56:04 AM
next stop Newark?
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abu benuska on February 14, 2019, 11:59:02 AM
Looks like it was cancelled https://twitter.com/jdavidgoodman/status/1096087641953632258
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Shallot on February 14, 2019, 12:02:07 PM
From https://blog.aboutamazon.com/company-news/update-on-plans-for-new-york-city-headquarters :  "While polls show that 70% of New Yorkers support our plans and investment, a number of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our presence and will not work with us to build the type of relationships that are required to go forward with the project we and many others envisioned in Long Island City."
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: itsit on February 14, 2019, 12:02:17 PM
 Just heard that the Amazon deal is off? What was the strongest factor in the end, could it have been the communities opposition?
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: carrefour_ny on February 14, 2019, 12:03:26 PM
next stop Newark?

From Amazon's statement: "We do not intend to re-open the HQ2 search at this time."
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: lalochezia on February 14, 2019, 12:10:42 PM
Happy valentines day, property speculators in LIC!

 ;)
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 14, 2019, 12:14:38 PM
It's a loss for Queens and the tech (etc) jobs and flow on business that could have been filled by Queens residents.

Other cities and places are excited for this opportunity instead...

BTW We are not $3 Billion richer.  The $3 billion dollars would have come out of future Amazon related taxes.

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 14, 2019, 12:21:49 PM
I would of done the same thing if I was Amazon. Who needs the bad press from idiot politicians who have never created a job? What is 0% of 0 it’s 0. Now NYC and NYS get nothing. I again repeat, if I was Amazon I would open in Austin or Tampa/Orlando. The cost of living and taxes are dramatically less. Talent will move where the jobs are. Better quality of life and a better financial decision over 20 or 30 years. The Democrats in NY look like anti business socialists. This is the biggest black eye to NYS and NYC and Queens in the history of this country.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-metro-amazon-cancels-new-york-20190214-story.html
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on February 14, 2019, 12:26:45 PM
the sky is falling.

the cry of those who didn't want the HQ here, and now the cry of those who did.

no one is doomed....except maybe the handful of super wealthy folks who stocked up on condos in hopes of flipping them.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Paul11372 on February 14, 2019, 12:38:07 PM
next stop Newark?

May be Walmart will step in?
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 14, 2019, 12:40:21 PM
I am definitely not rich.

But nor am I interested in being jealous of the rich.

Living in a state of jealousy certainly can't be a healthy way to live a life...
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on February 14, 2019, 12:54:42 PM
assuming one knows everything about everything isn't healthy, actually. particularly when one has minimal life experience.

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 14, 2019, 12:57:47 PM
assuming one knows everything about everything isn't healthy, actually. particularly when one has minimal life experience.



May your words ring in your own ears about yourself.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Paul11372 on February 14, 2019, 01:19:06 PM
assuming one knows everything about everything isn't healthy, actually. particularly when one has minimal life experience.

Bye Felicia
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 14, 2019, 01:42:39 PM
Amazon pays all those taxes! Wait, this just in....

https://apple.news/Al5zfUY6aQF-4lhqOyo0gHA

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/amazon-paid-no-federal-taxes-for-the-second-year-in-a-row
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on February 14, 2019, 02:27:58 PM
Imagine all the taxes its hundreds of thousands of employees pay each year to the Federal Government. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 14, 2019, 02:38:34 PM
Below is a message from Bezos to Queens:

http://commercialobserver.com/2019/02/amazon-to-new-york-city-drop-dead/
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 14, 2019, 03:42:44 PM
It seems the job killers won:


https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-the-job-killers-won-20190214-story.html

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: sl on February 14, 2019, 04:47:07 PM
It seems the job killers won:


https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-the-job-killers-won-20190214-story.html

Darn it. Big lost for software engineers like myself. I hope they reconsider.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Shelby2 on February 14, 2019, 06:33:41 PM
I'm really disappointed in our local officials.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: lalochezia on February 14, 2019, 07:28:08 PM
http://gothamist.com/2019/02/14/amazon_real_estate_lic.php
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JHALUM on February 14, 2019, 08:28:59 PM
I understand the people who live in the immediate area on wanting Amazon  because of congestion etc.  But this is a big loss for NY Other states will welcome Amazon with open arms.    This would have created a lot of good paying jobs but maybe the new  government officials will provide Universal Income instead of trying to create jobs.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Matt on February 14, 2019, 08:47:24 PM
Although I'm not a fan of Amazon, I thought this would have been a great way to grow the tech sector in NY. We lost a lot of high-paying finance jobs in the great recession, yet NYC has continued to get more expensive. I understand people are frustrated with rising housing costs and an aging subway system (I am as well), but scaring away Amazon doesn't solve those problems.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Gordan on February 14, 2019, 08:57:59 PM
Honestly it is so sad and bizarre to read through the comments and see such a full throated support for a MASSIVELY WEALTHY corporation that is known for it's divisive tactics. If you knew ANYTHING about tech you would understand a large portion of these jobs were going to foreign workers with visas and disposable incomes. And that most workers in tech order EVERYTHING and take private cars anywhere they go.

The rich will not leave New York City. There is ZERO chance of that. Where will they go? Wisconsin? Kansas?

Please stop looking to the wealthy to save us all. Support small business. Go outside and shop in you neighborhood. And MAYBE even send your child to a local school.

They pay zero in taxes and set off firestorm of real estate speculation. Does no one see the harm that can occur?
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on February 14, 2019, 09:41:51 PM
Google has managed to expand again and again without panhandling in the streets. maybe Amazon could have learned from that.

and i like Amazon. i like jobs. but i never liked Three-Card Monte back in the day, don't like it now.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Chingwa on February 14, 2019, 10:42:51 PM
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Google has managed to expand again and again without panhandling in the streets. maybe Amazon could have learned from that.
I can't believe I actually agree with dssjh. :o
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 14, 2019, 10:43:35 PM
Honestly it is so sad and bizarre to read through the comments and see such a full throated support for a MASSIVELY WEALTHY corporation that is known for it's divisive tactics. If you knew ANYTHING about tech you would understand a large portion of these jobs were going to foreign workers with visas and disposable incomes. And that most workers in tech order EVERYTHING and take private cars anywhere they go.

The rich will not leave New York City. There is ZERO chance of that. Where will they go? Wisconsin? Kansas?

Please stop looking to the wealthy to save us all. Support small business. Go outside and shop in you neighborhood. And MAYBE even send your child to a local school.

They pay zero in taxes and set off firestorm of real estate speculation. Does no one see the harm that can occur?

Are you so myopic that you don't see the restaurant workers/owners for those who "order everything" and chauffeurs of those private cars live in Jackson Heights? It would've been more business for our neighbors.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Gordan on February 14, 2019, 10:55:13 PM
Honestly it is so sad and bizarre to read through the comments and see such a full throated support for a MASSIVELY WEALTHY corporation that is known for it's divisive tactics. If you knew ANYTHING about tech you would understand a large portion of these jobs were going to foreign workers with visas and disposable incomes. And that most workers in tech order EVERYTHING and take private cars anywhere they go.

The rich will not leave New York City. There is ZERO chance of that. Where will they go? Wisconsin? Kansas?

Please stop looking to the wealthy to save us all. Support small business. Go outside and shop in you neighborhood. And MAYBE even send your child to a local school.

They pay zero in taxes and set off firestorm of real estate speculation. Does no one see the harm that can occur?

Are you so myopic that you don't see the restaurant workers/owners for those who "order everything" and chauffeurs of those private cars live in Jackson Heights? It would've been more business for our neighbors.

I am not so myopic to see that these businesses thrive on their own already, as they stand, without the help of Bezos the benevolent.

Frankly, it's people like you that are used as cannon foder to die in wars that benefit the wealthy.

We will be fine if we look out for ourselves and support and spend money in Queens. That's how the Roosevelt Avenue corridor works. Not by creating an underclass the serve food and drive around the rich.

https://www.theonion.com/wait-mr-bezos-you-forgot-your-tax-subsidy-says-an-1832633757
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 14, 2019, 11:02:17 PM
Again, we are not $3 Billion richer now that Amazon is not coming. There is no extra $3 Billion.  The money was to come from future tax credits from Amazon.

It is the children of immigrants who rise from the "underclass" to become...even rich.

That's the way it works with immigration. All is for the children/future. And those children would've been very happy to work at Amazon.

Plus you berating folks to shop local will not stop dreams of (and shopping at) Trader Joes.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Olivesta on February 14, 2019, 11:07:16 PM
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Google has managed to expand again and again without panhandling in the streets. maybe Amazon could have learned from that.
I can't believe I actually agree with dssjh. :o

This is not true. Google got millions in tax breaks when they first built in 2014. And it was a much smaller than amazon were planning.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: seattlelite on February 14, 2019, 11:26:37 PM
The mayor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlXCMecubjM
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 15, 2019, 07:13:17 AM
Idiot of the year award goes to...

https://nypost.com/2019/02/14/this-is-the-man-who-delivered-the-death-blow-to-amazon-deal/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on February 15, 2019, 07:38:13 AM
I have very little interest in Politics but for those that have a lot of interest and knowledge can Mr. Gianaris and Mr. Van Bramer be reelected considering that the majority supported Amazon?  Also, Toddg mentioned in a past message that if Amazon walked the Democratic control of the New York State Senate could be short lived so can the Republicans get back control of the Senate based on this one incident?  Just wondering.   
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Olivesta on February 15, 2019, 07:54:17 AM
Idiot of the year award goes to...

https://nypost.com/2019/02/14/this-is-the-man-who-delivered-the-death-blow-to-amazon-deal/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

I find the most inexcusable thing that he never even sat down and met with them. Instead he went on Fox News! Well, I hope he enjoyed his 15 minutes of fame.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: lalochezia on February 15, 2019, 08:27:27 AM
http://fortune.com/2019/02/14/amazon-doesnt-pay-federal-taxes-2019/

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 15, 2019, 09:23:54 AM
http://fortune.com/2019/02/14/amazon-doesnt-pay-federal-taxes-2019/

It appears to me that many billion dollar businesses, from Apple to Amazon to Trump, have creatively worked out methods to pay zero tax.

Changing the business tax laws is the only solution for that...
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jh35 on February 15, 2019, 10:03:25 AM
http://fortune.com/2019/02/14/amazon-doesnt-pay-federal-taxes-2019/

It appears to me that many billion dollar businesses, from Apple to Amazon to Trump, have creatively worked out methods to pay zero tax.

Changing the business tax laws is the only solution for that...

Changing the corporate tax laws will not get them to pay more money. They are multinational. They have many creative accountants and lawyers who move the money to other countries who give them tax breaks. It is a shell game.

We need to substantially raise the Capital Gains Tax. People with jobs pay taxes. People who invest pay much less taxes. (percentage wise) There are too many lobbyists who influence the lawmakers. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: itsit on February 15, 2019, 10:25:56 AM
 How come we are talking about Michael Gianaris and Jimmy VanBramer as the leads on the opposition to Amazon but the national news has AOC as being all over it?

Also it looks like NYC dodged a bullet here with Amazon as community members who did not even want to negotiate on anything but just pulled the plug, took toys/wallet and walked. Buh bye! And welcome to the next business that can work with its neighbors in more respectable way to use this waterfront property in this great city to the best potential of all Queens residents and NYCers.
They will be most welcome.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jh35 on February 15, 2019, 10:39:07 AM
How come we are talking about Michael Gianaris and Jimmy VanBramer as the leads on the opposition to Amazon but the national news has AOC as being all over it?

Also it looks like NYC dodged a bullet here with Amazon as community members who did not even want to negotiate on anything but just pulled the plug, took toys/wallet and walked. Buh bye! And welcome to the next business that can work with its neighbors in more respectable way to use this waterfront property in this great city to the best potential of all Queens residents and NYCers.
They will be most welcome.

Maybe it is an ageist issue. Amazon wants it all or we leave. We do not talk to you, we want it all. The ultimate Millenial corporation.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 15, 2019, 11:20:59 AM
http://fortune.com/2019/02/14/amazon-doesnt-pay-federal-taxes-2019/

It appears to me that many billion dollar businesses, from Apple to Amazon to Trump, have creatively worked out methods to pay zero tax.

Changing the business tax laws is the only solution for that...

Changing the corporate tax laws will not get them to pay more money. They are multinational. They have many creative accountants and lawyers who move the money to other countries who give them tax breaks. It is a shell game.

We need to substantially raise the Capital Gains Tax. People with jobs pay taxes. People who invest pay much less taxes. (percentage wise) There are too many lobbyists who influence the lawmakers.

Fine, then if that's the way to make it fair, great. 

I am observing that every system, from taxes to healthcare to following the will of the majority appears to be broken...
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 15, 2019, 11:26:03 AM
How come we are talking about Michael Gianaris and Jimmy VanBramer as the leads on the opposition to Amazon but the national news has AOC as being all over it?

Also it looks like NYC dodged a bullet here with Amazon as community members who did not even want to negotiate on anything but just pulled the plug, took toys/wallet and walked. Buh bye! And welcome to the next business that can work with its neighbors in more respectable way to use this waterfront property in this great city to the best potential of all Queens residents and NYCers.
They will be most welcome.

Maybe it is an ageist issue. Amazon wants it all or we leave. We do not talk to you, we want it all. The ultimate Millenial corporation.


Maybe it is an ageist thing.  Maybe the loss of power by the older generation to the younger tech savvy one, ain't gonna be easy.

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on February 15, 2019, 12:16:16 PM
How come we are talking about Michael Gianaris and Jimmy VanBramer as the leads on the opposition to Amazon but the national news has AOC as being all over it?

Also it looks like NYC dodged a bullet here with Amazon as community members who did not even want to negotiate on anything but just pulled the plug, took toys/wallet and walked. Buh bye! And welcome to the next business that can work with its neighbors in more respectable way to use this waterfront property in this great city to the best potential of all Queens residents and NYCers.
They will be most welcome.

Maybe it is an ageist issue. Amazon wants it all or we leave. We do not talk to you, we want it all. The ultimate Millenial corporation.


Maybe it is an ageist thing.  Maybe the loss of power by the older generation to the younger tech savvy one, ain't gonna be easy.
Fair assessment. Guessing you're 27, maybe 28. You've got three years left before obsolescence. These shifts are accelerating
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: lalochezia on February 15, 2019, 12:17:21 PM
Colbert on Twitter:

  "I'll give you this Amazon: Telling people you're going to Queens and then bailing is one thing New Yorkers can relate to."


Ocasio-Cortez via Twitter:

"Yeah I’m laughing @ this. Amazon was not coming to my Congressional district, had no concentrated outreach to us that I’m aware of, yet w/ no effort I defeated the richest man in the world? Doesn’t add up. Story that’s not being told: the local community organized to reject it."
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 15, 2019, 12:20:37 PM
How come we are talking about Michael Gianaris and Jimmy VanBramer as the leads on the opposition to Amazon but the national news has AOC as being all over it?

Also it looks like NYC dodged a bullet here with Amazon as community members who did not even want to negotiate on anything but just pulled the plug, took toys/wallet and walked. Buh bye! And welcome to the next business that can work with its neighbors in more respectable way to use this waterfront property in this great city to the best potential of all Queens residents and NYCers.
They will be most welcome.

Maybe it is an ageist issue. Amazon wants it all or we leave. We do not talk to you, we want it all. The ultimate Millenial corporation.


Maybe it is an ageist thing.  Maybe the loss of power by the older generation to the younger tech savvy one, ain't gonna be easy.
Fair assessment. Guessing you're 27, maybe 28. You've got three years left before obsolescence. These shifts are accelerating

 "Never trust anyone over 30" Hippy logic.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on February 15, 2019, 12:22:32 PM
You're the one pushing the narrative, Chad
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Paul11372 on February 15, 2019, 01:04:38 PM
Colbert on Twitter:

  "I'll give you this Amazon: Telling people you're going to Queens and then bailing is one thing New Yorkers can relate to."


Ocasio-Cortez via Twitter:

"Yeah I’m laughing @ this. Amazon was not coming to my Congressional district, had no concentrated outreach to us that I’m aware of, yet w/ no effort I defeated the richest man in the world? Doesn’t add up. Story that’s not being told: the local community organized to reject it."


Odd commentary from Colbert who got well over 12mm in Tax benefits when he signed with CBS for effectively just not leaving the city:
https://therealdeal.com/2014/07/24/tax-breaks-will-keep-colbert-at-the-ed-sullivan-theater/

Also, Ironic that she has been on his show many times but never pressed him on it.

While 12mm is pittance comparably is does come across to most as wholly hypocritical.

Hey, atleast he's not Jimmy kimmel in black face, progressive progress I suppose.




Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 15, 2019, 01:30:12 PM
You're the one pushing the narrative, Chad

Chad? No.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 15, 2019, 02:00:18 PM
The people hit the hardest were the Plaxco property owners that were going to sell a part of their campus. I guess they are going to build more luxurious ultra expensive housing. Not really permanent jobs. Too bad Google doesn’t want to come to Queens.

Funny meme:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vVAgwEfAlHw/XGZy-MfadtI/AAAAAAABEqA/MRh6h-XtNr06WZ3b_oJFzkB51kS0PkwbQCLcBGAs/s1600/massacre.jpg
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on February 15, 2019, 02:05:09 PM
You're the one pushing the narrative, Chad

Chad? No.

i apologize. that was an unfair low blow. sorry.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Paul11372 on February 15, 2019, 02:05:40 PM
The people hit the hardest were the Plaxco property owners that were going to sell a part of their campus. I guess they are going to build more luxurious ultra expensive housing. Not really permanent jobs. Too bad Google doesn’t want to come to Queens.

Funny meme:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vVAgwEfAlHw/XGZy-MfadtI/AAAAAAABEqA/MRh6h-XtNr06WZ3b_oJFzkB51kS0PkwbQCLcBGAs/s1600/massacre.jpg


The use of Guns as political props is offensive. It's funny I'm joking....
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Paul11372 on February 15, 2019, 02:06:19 PM
You're the one pushing the narrative, Chad

Chad? No.

i apologize. that was an unfair low blow. sorry.


Prefer Grundle DSS?
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on February 15, 2019, 02:30:04 PM
AOC is at the tippy top of the anti-Amazon movement.

Socialism in action.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on February 15, 2019, 02:34:09 PM
NYC literally lost billions of dollars, >25,000 jobs, business diversification via the tech industry, and a reputation as world class global city.

The embarrassing theatricks by NYC/NYS politicians and their wannabes, like Spartacus Jr. here, are a cry for attention: 'look at me, I'm your savior.'

The braggadocia by the amateur socialists is more base; it just makes them feel good that they beat up the rich white kid.

But, hey, we've still got Roosevice Avenue.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on February 15, 2019, 02:43:43 PM
Posted by Gordan: "Frankly, it's people like you that are used as cannon foder (sic) to die in wars that benefit the wealthy."

Wars started by people like you. Those brave souls that step up to stop the insanity. Who you mock.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: lalochezia on February 15, 2019, 02:45:19 PM
By Gordan: Frankly, it's people like you that are used as cannon foder (sic) to die in wars that benefit the wealthy.

Wars started by people like you. Those brave souls that step up to stop the insanity. That you mock.

wat
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on February 15, 2019, 03:12:35 PM
wat

Not very loquacious for someone who posted a 500-word pro-socialism TLTR screed on a local neighborhood chat forum.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on February 15, 2019, 03:34:16 PM
NYC literally lost billions of dollars, >25,000 jobs, business diversification via the tech industry, and a reputation as world class global city.

I forgot to include AMZN's proposed partnership with NYCDOE.

But, hey, we've got those H-1Bs to rely on. Our kids can always find a job on Roosevice Ave.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: deja on February 15, 2019, 05:06:08 PM
It wasn't an ideal arrangement, in a sane world no corporation as profitable as Amazon should be receiving incentives to come to one or another town.  But it's not a sane world and there were something like 20 states competing for HQ2.  That said, it would have brought in around $90 million and $160 million a year to an increasingly cash starved city and state, respectively. 

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: passthekimchi on February 15, 2019, 09:24:06 PM
This is great news for Queens and Jackson Heights. Amazon never had our community's best interests at heart.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JH3525 on February 15, 2019, 11:06:39 PM
Passthekimchi:  According to Governor Cuomo, the $3 Billion dollar investment in Amazon would have created nine times this amount or $27 Billion Dollars for the State and City.  Please explain how Amazon never had the best interest of NYC and our community, Jackson Heights.  Your comment is beyond irresponsible and outrageous.   
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: seattlelite on February 15, 2019, 11:25:47 PM
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On Thursday night, hours after Amazon's stunning announcement that it was cancelling their move, Silva-Farrell and around 100 other activists gathered for their victory party—an elated celebration that brought a mariachi band, chants of "Bye Bezos," and a pinata depicting the Amazon CEO's face to Jackson Heights' Diversity Plaza.

http://gothamist.com/2019/02/15/amazon_queens_victory_party.php
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on February 15, 2019, 11:33:17 PM
re: Cuomo claims. politicians claim a lot of things, from massive middle tax breaks to universal health care overnight at no charge. i'd take the $27 billion figure with a truckload of salt.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Chingwa on February 15, 2019, 11:54:36 PM
Mariachi makes losing out on economic opportunity feel downright festive.  ;D
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jh35 on February 16, 2019, 03:10:00 AM
An article in the Washington Post about Google's secret land and tax breaks for data centers (with mentions of Amazon and Apple):

"Google reaped millions in tax breaks as it secretly expanded its real estate footprint across the U.S."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/google-reaped-millions-of-tax-breaks-as-it-secretly-expanded-its-real-estate-footprint-across-the-us/2019/02/15/7912e10e-3136-11e9-813a-0ab2f17e305b_story.html?utm_term=.8f2f1f701adb (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/google-reaped-millions-of-tax-breaks-as-it-secretly-expanded-its-real-estate-footprint-across-the-us/2019/02/15/7912e10e-3136-11e9-813a-0ab2f17e305b_story.html?utm_term=.8f2f1f701adb)

“I’m confident that had the community known this project was under the direction of Google, people would have spoken out, but we were never given the chance to speak,” said Travis Smith, managing editor of the Waxahachie Daily Light, the local paper. “We didn’t know that it was Google until after it passed.”

“So Google comes in and pays no taxes for 10 years, and only brings in 40 jobs hmm sounds like a great idea,” wrote another.

Smith, the managing editor of the paper, said, “I’m not going to say we’ve been lied to, but we’ve been strung along.”

=========

An opinion piece in the Washington Post about the Amazon deal in LIC:

"Amazon’s political mugging in New York is a warning for American business"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/amazons-political-mugging-in-new-york-is-a-warning-for-american-business/2019/02/15/0f9686d8-313e-11e9-813a-0ab2f17e305b_story.html?utm_term=.dc05b62d9a86 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/amazons-political-mugging-in-new-york-is-a-warning-for-american-business/2019/02/15/0f9686d8-313e-11e9-813a-0ab2f17e305b_story.html?utm_term=.dc05b62d9a86)

"While Amazon reflects many of the best attributes of American capitalism — its efficiency, its creativity, its risk-taking, the choice and value it offers consumers, and the wealth it creates for shareholders — it also exhibits some of its worst traits. (Usual disclaimer: The Washington Post is owned by Jeffrey P. Bezos, Amazon founder and chief executive.) The ruthlessness. The instinct to dismiss critics and criticism. The arrogance and insularity of top executives. The fixation on secrecy and control. The disdain for government and the disregard for the public interest. The too-easy acceptance of extreme inequality. Many of these traits were on display in the HQ2 process.

The political mugging that Amazon received in New York is a preview of what is in store for American business if it fails to repair the social contract and replenish the social capital it has depleted. The choice for the business community is either to embrace rules and practices that strike a better balance between shareholders, workers, customers and the public, or have rules and practices much less to its liking imposed by an angry and sometimes irrational public."
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 16, 2019, 08:08:37 AM
But, hey, we've still got Roosevice Avenue.

You do have a point.

The oldest profession flourishes here in the Red Light District of Roosevelt Ave.

Whilst the newest industry (tech) is shunned.

Well, Queens has made its decision concerning its future.

Perhaps the Red Light District of Roosevelt Ave can be turned into a tourist attraction like in Amsterdam? 

When you are given lemons, make lemonade...

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 18, 2019, 07:28:39 PM
Feedback.

Some of my more radical/activist peers think it's very cool that Queens has clearly positioned itself as anti-corporation.

I am envisioning that Queens will attract the more radical/activist types, since it appears we now have that reputation.

So, rather than tech gentrification which I suppose will go to Brooklyn/Manhattan...it'll be activist/artist gentrification.  Which, in truth, is more interesting...



Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 18, 2019, 07:40:08 PM
Queens keeps building in LIC. People want to live in modern towers with gyms and other perks. That will not change and will not slow down. Manhattan is too expensive for most. We are about to have one huge residential building open on 72nd street. Another project is in the works with the recent sale of Sterling Bank. The radical types are not changing anything and will be ignored as they don’t create any jobs. 

https://ny.curbed.com/maps/long-island-city-development-boom-construction-map
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 18, 2019, 07:51:24 PM
Queens keeps building in LIC. People want to live in modern towers with gyms and other perks. That will not change and will not slow down. Manhattan is too expensive for most. We are about to have one huge residential building open on 72nd street. Another project is in the works with the recent sale of Sterling Bank. The radical types are not changing anything and will be ignored as they don’t create any jobs. 

https://ny.curbed.com/maps/long-island-city-development-boom-construction-map

Since the Amazon decision, everything has changed.  That was the fork in the road.  Queens has chosen a different route.  A new anti-corporation future.

PS I didn't agree with it... but I'm not leaving so I accept (and am curious about) the new reality that surrounds me.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 18, 2019, 07:59:17 PM
The Queens economy is way bigger that 25k jobs. LGA and JFK are the big employers and they are rebuilding both airports. That will only create more jobs by “evil” corporations. Healthcare is number 2 and we have seen many jobs from new hospital buildings. The anti corporation future is a complete dead end. All those buildings and many more will be built. Why? One bedrooms rent for $3500 a month.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 18, 2019, 08:23:23 PM
The Queens economy is way bigger that 25k jobs. LGA and JFK are the big employers and they are rebuilding both airports. That will only create more jobs by “evil” corporations. Healthcare is number 2 and we have seen many jobs from new hospital buildings. The anti corporation future is a complete dead end. All those buildings and many more will be built. Why? One bedrooms rent for $3500 a month.

I am afraid you may be deaf to the LOUD signal the AMAZON withdrawal has just sent to the entire (Corporate and non Corporate) world. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on February 18, 2019, 09:15:21 PM
Yeah, Long Island City was a wasteland 18 months ago. squatters in burned out buildings on every block. white castle the only place to eat. Amazon could have saved it. all of Queens is about to collapse. i'll miss Forest Hills most of all.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 18, 2019, 09:18:47 PM
Oh, yeah the corporations making millions a year in Queens are deaf. Nobody cares what a bunch of poor people with low paying jobs and AOC who has a net worth of $5 believes. Remember there are actual wealthy people who own most of Queens and rule over these dopey politicians. These socialist politicians are just envious people who promise circus for the masses. In the end AOC will deliver poverty but she will write a book and make millions from the mindless morons.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on February 18, 2019, 10:05:29 PM
... you may be deaf to the LOUD signal the AMAZON withdrawal has just sent to the entire (Corporate and non Corporate) world.

Well put.

I'm expecting the fallout to be bad, and especially noticeable in our immediate area. The "hotels" are going up, and companies will certainly approach coming to this neighborhood with caution.

I hope I'm wrong. The Cornell Tech campus is beginning to churn out eager talent, and so maybe startups and smaller, less visible, companies will reap the rewards of that.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on February 18, 2019, 10:45:34 PM
Amazon was never coming to JH. Get a grip. You think you scared developers from making a buck? Look at 72nd and Broadway where two new buildings are almost done. Amazon will continue to build at the old Bulova site.  :o
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JackM on February 19, 2019, 09:49:08 AM
Here's my fear.  Now that Amazon as withdrawn what will happen to that site?  Well, it will not sit idle.  Developers will come in and build luxury hi-rise condos.  The condos will be purchased by wealthy non-residents who will not pay city or state income taxes.  New York City is becoming a vacation/tourist spot.  We are not creating new jobs other than in the service/tourist industry.  Amazon would have created good paying jobs that would have provided income tax revenue for the city and state.  If we don't create good paying job in the city we will end up being a city where few people live but many people visit.  The Amazon deal was far from perfect but we could have worked with them once they set up shop here.  We could have encouraged them to invest in our city infrastructure (to improve the quality of life of their staff/employees.)  And, BTW, not all the jobs would have been hi-tech.  There would also have been a need for maintenance, security, custodial etc position.  There could also have been partnering with our many colleges/universities.  Anyway, it's done.  And now we need to move on and figure out how to create more new jobs for our city's future. 
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: lalochezia on February 19, 2019, 10:05:06 AM
The Amazon deal was far from perfect but we could have worked with them once they set up shop here.

Ask seattle how that went.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/seattle-city-council-votes-repeal-head-tax-companies-amazon-n882576
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Gordan on February 23, 2019, 10:50:28 PM
There were a handful of articles that have come out in the last few days that help clarify the situation. I think politicians were hoping the company would make concessions for the neighborhood but, Amazon wanted to use hardball retaliatory tactics instead.

The mayor was on the radio last Friday and my ears perked up when I heard him mention the company had reached a framework with the unions. I thought to myself, it is likely why someone decided to pull the plug.
https://www.newsday.com/news/region-state/amazon-labor-1.27345235

The union leaders, used to seeing union wages required for economic development projects, admitted the agreement wasn’t much. It allowed only for a fair vote by workers on whether to unionize, and provisions against retaliation against union supporters. “It was weak stuff,” Appelbaum said in an interview. “It wasn’t neutrality” in a union vote. “It was very, very basic and less than we would have wanted. But it was the first time anywhere we knew of that Amazon was willing to sit down and talk about a path to unionization.”

Then, James Patchett, CEO of the city’s Economic Development Corporation, who was GRILLED alongside Amazon reps at the two city council meetings had this to say to audience at Crain’s New York Business breakfast:

“They didn't perform particularly well at their public hearings,” “They never hired a single New Yorker to work for them to talk to New Yorkers. And they never really connected with people in the city.”

http://gothamist.com/2019/02/22/amazon_blame_game_patchett.php

And finally, a dirtbag landlord PAID protestors to fake support for Amazon.

http://gothamist.com/2019/02/22/pro-amazon_protesters_reportedly_pa.php

At the protest, Musovic said that he'd spent $1 million renovating his Long Island City buildings in anticipation of the company's arrival. He previously told Bloomberg that he'd added new kitchens, flooring and other amenities to the apartments, with the expectation that he'd be able to hike rents by at least 25 percent. Several developers also said they'd bet big on the neighborhood, and many were devastated by Amazon's announcement last Thursday.

Cuomo did not hold Amazon accountable to anyone in Queens. He was hoping for a LARGE photo op. City politicians were then having to clean up and press Amazon to make some agreements.

The problem is, even if that happened, there is no way to account for the dirty tricks that people in real estate play and the inflated cost of living that would ensue before a shovel even goes into the ground.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JHMNY on March 01, 2019, 03:55:19 PM
The Amazon issue isn't going away yet. As a matter of fact, things are getting ugly.  City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer sent out a tweet stating that Josh Bowen, owner of John Brown Smokehouse in LIC, sent him a threatening text message. Apparently, Bowen wants Van Bramer to reach out to Amazon's Real Estate exec, John Schoettler, and extend an apology for protesting the Amazon deal.

(https://i.imgur.com/eNngIU7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tNvVSwi.jpg)
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: JK resident on March 01, 2019, 06:27:00 PM
Look at this guy having to beg Amazon after what the Queens delegation did. So sad.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/cuomo-hasnt-given-up-on-bringing-amazon-to-nyc/
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on March 01, 2019, 06:42:33 PM
Bowen gave jackson heights the finger years ago with the much hyped Alchemy, which opened in the Legends space around 2014 or so. he ran it for two or three months, then shuttered without notice -- later posting on social media that he was "just having some fun" and "never intended" to actually have a restaurant
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: jeanette on March 01, 2019, 08:08:02 PM
Here's the rub: we needed AMZN more than it needs us. AMZN can set up HQ just about anywhere else. That's why they walked, cuz they really didn't have to put up with any BS. It illustrates the stranglehold big money and power has over us; fact is, if we want their money, we have to be seated at the same table.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: Chingwa on March 01, 2019, 10:00:17 PM
They don't have a stranglehold over us.  They made an offer... and NewYork made an offer... and the deal fell through.  It would have been great to get the jobs and investment in Queens but it isn't the end of the world.  I'm sure NYC will survive just fine.  LIC real estate was booming before Amazon, and will boom after.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on March 01, 2019, 11:23:22 PM
They don't have a stranglehold over us.  They made an offer... and NewYork made an offer... and the deal fell through.  It would have been great to get the jobs and investment in Queens but it isn't the end of the world.  I'm sure NYC will survive just fine.  LIC real estate was booming before Amazon, and will boom after.

very well put.
Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 02, 2019, 08:33:30 AM
Hmmm. Perhaps the show might not quite be over yet.

After all, in business, when negotiating, walking away from a deal is a well known and often effective tactic.

Title: Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
Post by: dssjh on March 02, 2019, 09:30:48 AM
That's true. And since there's no replacement on the horizon, you may be spot on.