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Title: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on January 02, 2017, 09:28:31 PM
Thanks to all the people who have expressed their support.

Thanks also to the construction tradesmen and suppliers who are making this happen.

About two weeks ago, I and one of my partners were at the restaurant when a number of people, passing by, dropped in. It was a delight to meet you and show you how the restaurant is coming together.

It's going to take a bit more time, but we have a great crew working daily, and it's going to happen.

Cheers,

Stew


Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on January 02, 2017, 09:53:13 PM
Great! Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: MrPlaza on January 02, 2017, 10:03:31 PM
I haven't even moved to the hood yet and this is already one of my top spots to visit. Very exciting news.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: deja on January 02, 2017, 10:16:59 PM
Great to hear!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on January 02, 2017, 10:35:49 PM
I haven't even moved to the hood yet and this is already one of my top spots to visit. Very exciting news.

I think that our designer, Paul dePoo, has done a beautiful job of designing the space.

For my part ... I want to serve great food at prices that are lower than Manhattan/Brooklyn and work in the neighborhood.

And food that works in the 'hood. I'd love to serve oysters and a seafood platter, but this works only if there is daily demand.

Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: itsit on January 03, 2017, 07:46:05 AM
 We're there. Thanks for persevering. Any rough estimate on opening?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: sl on January 03, 2017, 11:31:11 AM
Good to hear
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: MrPlaza on January 03, 2017, 02:08:14 PM
I haven't even moved to the hood yet and this is already one of my top spots to visit. Very exciting news.

I think that our designer, Paul dePoo, has done a beautiful job of designing the space.

For my part ... I want to serve great food at prices that are lower than Manhattan/Brooklyn and work in the neighborhood.

And food that works in the 'hood. I'd love to serve oysters and a seafood platter, but this works only if there is daily demand.
I hear you. Seafood is tough unless you have a strong sense that the demand is there. It's too expensive to have and not use. I like oysters, but I admit it's not the first thing I reach for as a meal. Even when I'm out with friends. Though, I will say it's definitely a social food. Perhaps it's something that you trot out only for special event-driven occasions, i.e. Oyster night.

Nevertheless, looking forward to it all. I live in LIC now and for every trendy restaurant with good food, there's one or two trendy restaurants with mediocre food that still charge as if they're serving up Michelin-Star quality. I have faith that won't be the case here!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: francis on January 03, 2017, 09:17:23 PM
I am so, so happy to hear this. Great news and can't wait to indulge myself...with or without the oysters!....although I'm not opposed to washing them down with a gray goose martini.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Hertog on January 03, 2017, 10:15:05 PM
Terrific news. Best of luck with the ongoing renovations.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: PizzaRat on January 04, 2017, 04:29:37 PM
That's great news! Will there be a bar at Swim Two Birds? How late will you be open? So excited to support a new local business!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on January 04, 2017, 06:12:34 PM
Any rough estimate on opening?

Once we open, I may express some views on why this is taking so long, but for the moment I'll say only that I no longer give estimates :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on January 04, 2017, 06:27:15 PM
Will there be a bar at Swim Two Birds? How late will you be open?

As neighbors who were by a couple of weeks ago saw, we have built a bar near the entrance that will seat seven or eight people. Not big, but cosy. The chairs are custom made, they're really comfortable, and I'm in love with them :)

I would like to see us serving food until around 11:00 pm on weekends (closing maybe around midnight), but this will depend on demand.

Thanks for the questions.

Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on January 04, 2017, 06:55:46 PM
Great news and can't wait to indulge myself...with or without the oysters!....although I'm not opposed to washing them down with a gray goose martini.

Heaven = Eastern US and Canadian oysters + dark/hard/dense rye + dry, minerally white wine OR really chilled straight vodka OR a bracing vodka martini :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on January 04, 2017, 08:54:23 PM
Still thinking about oysters and seafood platters tonight :)

Brooklyn's Maison Premiere, which I assume took its name from a Paris restaurant that I worked at called Maison Prunier, has become extremely popular for oysters and platters.

I don't know whether there will be the same demand in Jackson Heights - maybe with younger people - but I want to try offering oysters from Long Island as well as further north to Maine, New Brunswick, Quebec and Prince Edward Island.

For a special occasion, I'd be into bringing in some of the truly great French oysters, the subject of Eleanor Clark's "Oysters of Locmariaquer", which won the National Book Award for Non-Fiction.

We're going to have some fun with this restaurant.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: MrPlaza on January 04, 2017, 09:39:45 PM
Still thinking about oysters and seafood platters tonight :)

Brooklyn's Maison Premiere, which I assume took its name from a Paris restaurant that I worked at called Maison Prunier, has become extremely popular for oysters and platters.

I don't know whether there will be the same demand in Jackson Heights - maybe with younger people - but I want to try offering oysters from Long Island as well as further north to Maine, New Brunswick, Quebec and Prince Edward Island.

For a special occasion, I'd be into bringing in some of the truly great French oysters, the subject of Eleanor Clark's "Oysters of Locmariaquer", which won the National Book Award for Non-Fiction.

We're going to have some fun with this restaurant.
My body is ready. Hahaha.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on January 05, 2017, 12:37:15 AM
since i am the one who started the now-locked "other" thread a couple of months ago, i want to say that i stand corrected, and am intrigued about what you'd discussed, menu wise, when you initially announced plans to open here. especially a tourtiere (which will likely have to wait until this coming Christmas season).

i apologize for guessing you'd given up the ghost; a twitter account hadn't been updated in 14 months, nor had a facebook page, which had your initial run of updates, largely decor-driven, as well as one very positive review from someone who apparently really enjoyed dining at swim two birds in the summer of 2015. mea culpa on that front.

hoping the road is smooth from here on.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Cassat on January 05, 2017, 06:22:16 PM
Stew, I can't tell you how pleased I am to see this development. I'm from New England, I will eat all the seafood I see on your menu. And I have three words for you: whole bellied clams :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jeffsayyes on January 05, 2017, 09:33:54 PM
I would say try it one night a week, make sure  people know about it from the menu and facebook, and see if it works. If there is doubt that it could work, just look at Case del Chef in Woodside which appears to be doing well - which I do think has to do with their cuisine being quite safe yet upscale.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Ms. Jackson on January 06, 2017, 02:49:58 PM
It's great to hear from you, again, Stew. I am REALLY looking forward to the opening. Slow and steady!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ptbass75 on January 06, 2017, 06:18:28 PM
Best of luck getting your restaurant up and running.   I know the founders of the queens dinner club, and when you guys are operational I'd be more than happy to recommend sending a scouting party for considering hosting one of their events at your restaurant.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on January 06, 2017, 06:51:21 PM
Hi dssjh,

Thanks. I don't want to get into the reasons for the delay right now, but I will say that they have had nothing to do with finances and everything to do with the City. I may have more to say about this after we open.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on January 06, 2017, 07:07:03 PM
Stew, I can't tell you how pleased I am to see this development. I'm from New England, I will eat all the seafood I see on your menu. And I have three words for you: whole bellied clams :)

I was trained in a seafood restaurant (Maison Prunier) and my grandfather was a North Atlantic fisherman. The question isn't whether we will be offering fresh seafood, but how much demand there is for raw seafood, such as oysters. We're certainly going to give it a try.

I can guarantee you a killer lobster chowder :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on January 06, 2017, 07:40:03 PM
I want to make something clear.

The delays in opening our restaurant are the sole result of building violations by other tenants in the building and an allegation by a city building inspector that was overturned, in its entirety, on appeal.

When our alleged violation was overturned on appeal, somebody in the city suddenly discovered, within a couple of weeks, in the building department archives, violations in the building generally that went back to 1999, which is 18 years ago. The issue was outdoor signage. These issues should have been addressed by the landlord, and by the then tenants, but were not.

As a result, we were denied a work permit again.

After a long appeal process (second appeal), we were finally given another work permit, but in December 2016 we were told that we would have to make a further application in order to continue work past January 1, 2017. So we engaged counsel yet again.

During this experience, we contacted our city councilor's office and were brushed off.

No need to tell me to hire a serious high end lawyer. That's done.

Just posted this to make it crystal clear what has been going on.

When we open, I'll have more to say about this, partly to help other people who want to open legitimate businesses in Jackson Heights.

Meanwhile, we are continuing to turn the space into what I believe will be a beautiful, if small, restaurant. I'll leave this issue to our lawyer, and refrain from saying anything else about this absurd situation until we open.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on January 06, 2017, 08:20:12 PM
The one part of this history that is amusing is that we have torn down the signage, apparently also in violation of city requirements, over our space.

Why? Because the signage is awful and is inconsistent with the original design of the building.

Meanwhile, the city is putting us through hell, and costing us money, to get rid of it.

Truly amazing.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: MrPlaza on January 06, 2017, 08:25:52 PM
I want to make something clear.

The delays in opening our restaurant are the sole result of building violations by other tenants in the building and an allegation by a city building inspector that was overturned, in its entirety, on appeal.

When our alleged violation was overturned on appeal, somebody in the city suddenly discovered, within a couple of weeks, in the building department archives, violations in the building generally that went back to 1999, which is 18 years ago. The issue was outdoor signage. These issues should have been addressed by the landlord, and by the then tenants, but were not.

As a result, we were denied a work permit again.

After a long appeal process (second appeal), we were finally given another work permit, but in December 2016 we were told that we would have to make a further application in order to continue work past January 1, 2017. So we engaged counsel yet again.

During this experience, we contacted our city councilor's office and were brushed off.

No need to tell me to hire a serious high end lawyer. That's done.

Just posted this to make it crystal clear what has been going on.

When we open, I'll have more to say about this, partly to help other people who want to open legitimate businesses in Jackson Heights.

Meanwhile, we are continuing to turn the space into what I believe will be a beautiful, if small, restaurant. I'll leave this issue to our lawyer, and refrain from saying anything else about this absurd situation until we open.
An explanation was unnecessary, but appreciated. At this point, I think we're all about moving onward and upward. NYC is rife with building violations (some legitimate, some less so). It seems to be the unfortunate cost of doing business here. That being said, regardless of the size or delay, there's obviously a lot of pent up desire for something fresh and new to hit the streets. So, like you said, your tale — cautionary if nothing else — should help others in your wake with navigating the tricky challenges of starting a business here.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on January 06, 2017, 10:41:09 PM
An explanation was unnecessary, but appreciated. At this point, I think we're all about moving onward and upward. NYC is rife with building violations (some legitimate, some less so). It seems to be the unfortunate cost of doing business here.

Yeah, meanwhile there's this thing called rent :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on January 07, 2017, 12:20:36 PM
Hi dssjh,

Thanks. I don't want to get into the reasons for the delay right now, but I will say that they have had nothing to do with finances and everything to do with the City. I may have more to say about this after we open.

oh, i didn't think you/your partners were having financial issues, and i do recall mention of the frustrations you were having with building issues that were beyond your control.

we live right down the block, so we pass by the storefront every day, and seeing activity was and is heartening. looking forward to that chowder.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Travis on January 07, 2017, 03:34:21 PM
I love raw oyster! I think the demand is there with the younger crowd. Can't wait for you guys to open.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: PizzaRat on January 07, 2017, 06:49:55 PM
Will there be a bar at Swim Two Birds? How late will you be open?

As neighbors who were by a couple of weeks ago saw, we have built a bar near the entrance that will seat seven or eight people. Not big, but cosy. The chairs are custom made, they're really comfortable, and I'm in love with them :)

I would like to see us serving food until around 11:00 pm on weekends (closing maybe around midnight), but this will depend on demand.

Thanks for the questions.

As someone with back problems that often has to leave bars/restaurants due to uncomfortable seating, that's awesome to hear! Best of luck to you.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: newjhuser on January 07, 2017, 06:58:42 PM
Where's the location of this place?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: deja on January 07, 2017, 11:22:01 PM
I love raw oyster! I think the demand is there with the younger crowd. Can't wait for you guys to open.

Raw oysters are not merely for the young!  Lol. 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on January 08, 2017, 02:50:30 PM
on 37th avenue, just east of 76th street. there's a green shed around the front of the storefront right now, so you can't miss it.

Where's the location of this place?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on January 10, 2017, 08:51:57 PM
I love raw oyster! I think the demand is there with the younger crowd. Can't wait for you guys to open.

I love Brooklyn's Maison Premier, and of course Balthazar. If there's demand, we're going to compete with them :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on January 10, 2017, 08:53:12 PM
I love raw oyster! I think the demand is there with the younger crowd. Can't wait for you guys to open.

Raw oysters are not merely for the young!  Lol.

:)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on January 10, 2017, 09:02:02 PM
As someone with back problems that often has to leave bars/restaurants due to uncomfortable seating, that's awesome to hear! Best of luck to you.

We hired North Carolina's Artistic Frame to make all of the chairs, custom, both for the bar and tables. Here is their website: http://artisticframe.com

We now have Artistic's chairs, and have tried them out, and I think that you will be very happy with the result.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: hfm on January 16, 2017, 10:06:18 AM
As someone that was opposed to the way this whole thing was handled here in the forums a while back I am glad this is finally coming to fruition and I hope it works out the best for you Stew. Glad to see this long and what looks like frustrating process almost over for you. I have to say I learned quite a bit with the transparency.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Spinitch on February 21, 2017, 04:35:02 PM
Any more updates on this place?  Seems like they halted work once again?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on March 03, 2017, 07:16:21 PM
Any more updates on this place?  Seems like they halted work once again?

As I have said before, people are welcome to phone us. Probably more accurate than the rumor mill.

There is a problem about building violations that have nothing to do with us, and that have had an unacceptable impact on us. There are ongoing discussions that will hopefully result in an amicable solution.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: deja on March 04, 2017, 09:05:41 PM
Still looking forward to the opening.  :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: francis on March 05, 2017, 10:46:25 AM
Cant wait for you to open. Thanks for your perseverance!!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on March 05, 2017, 06:19:59 PM
It is just bizarre that these old building violations are holding you up. They did not seem to affect the previous tenant in that space, which was not there all that long--two years maybe-- and my understanding is that these violations are quite old. And they don't affect any of the existing businesses there--just a new one that wants to renovate their space? It seem totally insane.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on March 05, 2017, 07:40:49 PM
It is just bizarre that these old building violations are holding you up. They did not seem to affect the previous tenant in that space, which was not there all that long--two years maybe-- and my understanding is that these violations are quite old. And they don't affect any of the existing businesses there--just a new one that wants to renovate their space? It seem totally insane.

Certain of the violations involve existing businesses and our predecessor as a tenant, and some are very old.

What I will say is that the violations, both recent and old, have nothing to do with us. Proceedings against us for an alleged violation, due to doing nothing more than cleaning up the place for a major renovation, were dismissed in their entirety, and there is not a single violation against us.

There are discussions to try and sort this out, and it probably isn't helpful for me to be more detailed at the moment :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on March 05, 2017, 08:17:06 PM
I will add this. At one point, we were alleged to be in violation of the building code on signage because we took down the illegal box sign put up by the prior tenant, which, apart from having electrical deficiencies, was, like every other storefront on that block, inconsistent with the building's original Art Deco design.

When we took down the box, it was alleged that what remained was a wire exposed to the outside. It didn't occur to the city inspector to ask, when we removed the box, whether there was any longer any power to the wire.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on March 05, 2017, 10:02:13 PM
It's important for people to understand what these building inspectors are doing.

Ours is actually a professional engineer. He is the guy whose entire complaint against us was thrown out. He has not been replaced and continues to be our inspector.

He showed up either the day of the court decision, or the day after, to determine whether we had complied with his order. We told him that all of his allegations against us had been dismissed, and asked him why he had gone after us.

He walked out of our space in silence. When we followed, and said we'd like to talk, he threatened us with criminal proceedings for "harassment".

He is our building inspector to this minute - yes, we are apparently supposed to deal with him despite his dismissed allegations and his threat against us of criminal proceedings. 



Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jhx on March 05, 2017, 10:29:19 PM
I've had similar problems. Wouldnt issue any permits until ALL violations were clear.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on March 05, 2017, 10:47:40 PM
I want to make it clear that when I say that our building inspector is a professional engineer, I mean P.Eng.

We were astounded to learn that he was actually a P. Eng. when we went to court to have his claims against us dismissed in their entirety.

We were equally astounded that his response to losing was to refuse to talk with us, walk out of our restaurant in silence and threaten us with "harassment" charges.

Meanwhile, the City thinks that he should continue to be our Department of Buildings inspector.

This is Monty Python stuff.


 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on March 05, 2017, 11:16:12 PM
Mranwhile, I just want to open a 600 square foot restaurant - 43 seats including bar - in Jackson Heights, with cool food, cool wine and cool cocktails, and provide a place for local talented restaurant people to work, and a place to train young local people who want to work in restaurants.

Why is this so complicated?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: deja on March 05, 2017, 11:33:23 PM
Unfortunately, the buildings department has a long history of graft, corruption, and bungling.   >:(
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on March 06, 2017, 08:20:37 AM
I think you'd fare better if you kept more to yourself. A run down of the facts that any of us could find if so inclined through publicly available records is probably not a big deal -- in one post rather than a series of posts *after* you've said you shouldn't reveal too much. But posting about the petty comments of your inspector about filing criminal charges of harassment probably isn't helping you.

You can be right, or you can get your restaurant open without needling the inspector who already has a personal beef with you. What do you want?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on March 06, 2017, 07:30:57 PM
What do you want?

I thought that it would be interesting to open a contemporary restaurant in Jackson Heights that hired neighbors, that could be a training ground for young people interested in food services, and that could be a model for staff compensation.

If the restaurant opens, great. If it doesn't, it will not prevent me from enjoying the rest of my life.

I have no intention of knuckling under to city employees who think that it is their job to make entirely unfounded allegations against us; nor do I intend to pay for other people's building violations, whether they are recent or, apparently in one case for us, go back decades.

I have hired a first-rate law firm, and this will be either sorted out or it won't.

Does that answer your question?



Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on March 07, 2017, 09:38:34 AM
^indeed it does. It's quite clear you are more interested in being right than in meeting your stated goal of opening a restaurant. You may still be able to open the restaurant in spite of your need to incessantly air every accusation against the inspector assigned to your case, including those which can't be supported by facts, but you aren't doing yourself any favors by doing so.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Cassat on March 07, 2017, 10:22:08 AM
Captain Flannel, you seem pretty interested in being right, too. I guess we all are. As for me, I say let's just let the man get on with it and make the decisions he wants to make, whether or not you personally think they are all well-advised. None of us can really understand what he's been going through to achieve his vision (which I think a lot of us want very much for him to achieve), and he seems to have been pretty admirably dogged until now. Unless his comments offend you in some way, that is.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on March 07, 2017, 10:49:21 AM
^two comments pointing out that posting unsupportable claims against the inspector, which very well may antagonize the inspector who is still on the case, is not in any way helpful to the stated goal of opening a restaurant might reveal my own need to be right. But, I'm not the one whose stated goal is to open a restaurant, am I? My comments don't stop him from making his own decisions. However, he opens himself up to criticism and comment when he posts them here.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Cassat on March 07, 2017, 10:58:33 AM
Fair enough.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Crabby_Appleton on March 07, 2017, 12:27:28 PM
I'm really sorry this is happening—the Dept of Buildings is notoriously corrupt as hell. I would be frustrated and mouthing off too.  I'm glad you hired a lawyer—maybe go to media as well.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on March 07, 2017, 01:40:00 PM
i'm certainly not siding against Stew here - i generally distrust "the man" and would like to see this chef and his partners do well.  but it does seem that if the department of buildings were as thoroughly corrupt as some here (not Stew himself) are saying it is, nothing of any kind would open in the five boroughs. ever.

and before someone brings up bribery, which does indeed exist, in that department as in every other department, locally and federally, i don't believe the Swim Two Birds partners are charging anyone with that.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: jhjefe on March 07, 2017, 02:15:52 PM
I want to make it clear that when I say that our building inspector is a professional engineer, I mean P.Eng.

We were astounded to learn that he was actually a P. Eng. when we went to court to have his claims against us dismissed in their entirety.

Stew,  sorry to hear about all the troubles.  Hoping they will come to a resolution soon!
I'm not quite clear on the significance of these two sentences.  Probably beside the point, but could you clarify?
Btw, "P.Eng" is a Canadian equivalent of the American "PE" which are both designations for professional engineer.
 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Minimal4me on March 07, 2017, 02:58:05 PM
I just want to open a 600 square foot restaurant - 43 seats including bar - in Jackson Heights, with cool food, cool wine and cool cocktails, and provide a place for local talented restaurant people to work, and a place to train young local people who want to work in restaurants.

Why is this so complicated?

I really want this to happen, because selfishly I really want a place like this for our neighborhood. Still hoping for the best for Swim Two Birds!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on March 07, 2017, 03:22:01 PM
I'd like the place to open too. That's why I wish Stew wouldn't come on to a public forum to post things that may antagonize someone who has to deal with to get his restaurant open, and who could potentially still have the power to throw a wrench in the process.

Again, a run down of publicly available facts for those who are interested? Seems reasonable. Describing a petty and rather silly comment about "filing criminal charges for harassment" (which, BTW, the district attorney decides, not joe schmoe who probably doesn't even know what NY State's harassment laws are), not a good move if you have to continue to deal with that person in order to open your restaurant.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Palermo on March 07, 2017, 06:37:40 PM
FILM TREATMENT

Name: Star Wars, Episode XIII: Swim Two Birds
Genre: Culinary Opera/Romantic Comedy
Outline: The unending trials and tribulations befalling an earnest restauranteer.  A fight between the forces of good and evil.
Characters:
Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill): Haunted by the death of his father, the full on kiss his sister planted on him and how he hasn’t had a lead in a major motion picture in decades, Luke travels to the edge of the star system, past the forest moon of Woodside, to Jackson Heights, a sprawling bazaar of smugglers, immigrants and gentrifiers.  There, he realizes the Empire (anti-european food mafia) has the local community under its grip and he grudgingly joins the Resistance.
Steward “Stew” Job (Shia Le Boeuf):  Stew has trained long and hard in the ways of the cook, coming from the frozen north and cooking for Belgians.  While humbly and quietly engrossed in making his contemporary restaurant (30’s style built in an 80’s style “we can fix it up” montage), with perfect custom chairs, perfect Technique Français, perfect shellfish and a perfect model of staff compensation, he fails to see the dark cloud rising against him until it is too late.
The Community Board (Helen Mirren, Ben Stiller, John Leguzamo, Jay Lo, John Cho, Aziz Ansari, Alan Alda, Betty White and Snoop Dog): Obstinately a local government, they are agents of the Empire.  They employ seedy landlords, bad manners and liquor licenses to stop Stew and others like him.  Lolita Bergdorf (Jay Lo) eventually has a change of heart, begins secretly working for the Resistance and becomes a love interest. 
Reginald “Redge” Calrissian (Terrance Howard): Stew’s longtime friend, financial backer and bodyguard, Redge was the first to realize the desert of restaurants in Jackson Heights.  Sent to prison for a crime he didn’t commit, he promptly escaped to the Los Angeles underground.  He briefly resurfaced but his whereabouts are unknown.  For this, Stew vowed revenge.  While claiming to be a cousin of Lando Calrissian, it is later found out the real Redge died a mysterious death in an orphanage many years ago.
Leroy “de Poo” Brown (Samuel L. Jackson): From the south side of Chicago, once a trouble maker and gambler, often unknowingly working for the Empire, he reinvented himself after a vicious bar fight and became a designer par excellence.   While wary of the Resistance, he is convinced by Stew to design the restaurant and along the way learns of the true nature of the Empire.  He is unaware that he is a descendant of royalty.  Juan Yossarian (Ben Stiller) knows it but actively keeps it a secret.
Ipsos Jackson (Amy Adams): A vocal conduit for elders who advise Stew offering counsel ranging from sober sincerity to creamed cheerleading as they thirst for the water Stew will bring to the land.
The Engineer (Steven Seagal): A nefarious building inspector, a restaurant assassin and all around douchebag, sent by the Empire to further thwart the passion of our hero.  He claims to be a Sith Lord Master but is evasive when asked for specifics.
Budget: 1,329,063 Zimbabwean Dollars and rent, lots of rent.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on March 07, 2017, 07:25:55 PM
if i may borrow a classic sports broadcasting phrase, "Pardon me while I stand and applaud."
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Beherenow on March 08, 2017, 09:40:42 AM
Thanks Palermo, for the entertaining riff.

You could bend the genre a bit and allow the food to talk.  The food items are the real heroes and heroines here. I'm certainly rooting for them to appear and they deserve a chance to be heard/tasted.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: lalochezia on March 08, 2017, 01:29:06 PM
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Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: 82oldie on March 10, 2017, 10:57:38 AM
We're up to five pages and no restaurant...will it ever open?  Status?

Please?

Can't anyone stand up to bullies?

Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: carrefour_ny on March 10, 2017, 12:01:31 PM
@ Palermo: FABULOUS!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on March 12, 2017, 07:58:24 PM
There's something to be said for perspective...

Just watched parents come out of Barilles letting their (about) five or maybe smaller six year old walk on the sidewalk ahead of them. Both parents close behind, papa in particular looking nervous and ready to grab him.

Brought a smile to my face, if not the parents :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on March 12, 2017, 08:38:27 PM
We're up to five pages and no restaurant...will it ever open?  Status?

Please?

Can't anyone stand up to bullies?

The straight-up answer is that whether this restaurant opens depends on imminent discussions that will result either in a clear path to opening or a lawsuit.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on March 12, 2017, 08:42:37 PM
thanks for engaging, Stew. it's appreciated.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on March 12, 2017, 09:22:26 PM
thanks for engaging, Stew. it's appreciated.

And thanks for your comment.

The truth is, there is nothing that I have said here that has any impact on whether we open, but what I've had to say is likely to be useful to anyone who wants to open a restaurant in this neighborhood.

On the downside, only an idiot doesn't know what was going on with restaurants like Novo, including the problems with noise, drugs and weapons, and Novo's role as a major host for functions of the main local political party.

On the upside, I am trying to open an independent restaurant that has nothing to do with either party, or with historic city violations, by the landlord and its tenants, that have nothing to do with me.

The situation is pretty clear, and will get resolved, one way or another, soon. 




Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on March 12, 2017, 11:15:05 PM
Seriously, let's talk about why the Democratic Party was paying Novo, every month, for state level and city level functions.

We're talking about a restaurant that paid next to no rent, that had constant neighborhood issues with noise, drugs and weapons, that was constantly in arrears of its cable payments (patrons were told over and over that the big TVs couldn't deliver because the cable company was incompetent) and that eventually walked from a monthly rent of about $3500.And yes, I know what rent they were paying.

What was going on here?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on March 15, 2017, 09:02:29 AM
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On the downside, only an idiot doesn't know what was going on with restaurants like Novo, including the problems with noise, drugs and weapons, and Novo's role as a major host for functions of the main local political party.

As charming as ever!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Hertog on March 15, 2017, 08:51:49 PM
Hi Stew,

Good luck with jumping through these next hoops. Myself and many neighbors are looking forward to having a drink at your bar and enjoying some terrific food.

I admire your perseverance in the face of the challenges and detractors.

All the best.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: queenskid2 on March 16, 2017, 11:28:20 AM
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On the downside, only an idiot doesn't know what was going on with restaurants like Novo, including the problems with noise, drugs and weapons, and Novo's role as a major host for functions of the main local political party.

As charming as ever!

I only went to Novo a few times, but it never struck me as a hotbed of illegal activity--drugs and weapons.  Is there any proof to back this up.  And Stew, are you implying that the local Democrats were involved in some type of illegal behavior?  Really.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on March 16, 2017, 12:45:18 PM
i think the Novo guys installed wiretaps at Trump Tower or something.

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On the downside, only an idiot doesn't know what was going on with restaurants like Novo, including the problems with noise, drugs and weapons, and Novo's role as a major host for functions of the main local political party.

As charming as ever!

I only went to Novo a few times, but it never struck me as a hotbed of illegal activity--drugs and weapons.  Is there any proof to back this up.  And Stew, are you implying that the local Democrats were involved in some type of illegal behavior?  Really.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on March 17, 2017, 08:41:47 AM
^imagine what my level of idiocy must be since I have zero knowledge about Novo. After all, only an idiot doesn't know.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Ed on March 17, 2017, 12:29:22 PM
Here ya go!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: hfm on March 18, 2017, 07:09:14 PM
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On the downside, only an idiot doesn't know what was going on with restaurants like Novo, including the problems with noise, drugs and weapons, and Novo's role as a major host for functions of the main local political party.

As charming as ever!

I only went to Novo a few times, but it never struck me as a hotbed of illegal activity--drugs and weapons.  Is there any proof to back this up.  And Stew, are you implying that the local Democrats were involved in some type of illegal behavior?  Really.

Novo was, quite literally, a s__show. Sorry that's about the only wayt to describe it. Loud, bouncer outside, parties till early morning with people fighting and people whipping out guns. It was a blight on the area it was in. I saw these things happening outside it at early AM hours myself.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: toddg on March 18, 2017, 10:00:26 PM
I really don't remember Novo that way.  I didn't go there often, but I had some civilized dinners there.  I can't vouch for what it was like in the late night hours.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on March 18, 2017, 10:42:03 PM
i ate dinner there fairly often and never had any issues. the couple of times i went there late for drinks, there were loud, obnoxious drunk guys - sort of like most bars. heard plenty of shouting, no shooting.

no more dangerous than, say, sparks steak house.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on March 19, 2017, 04:09:09 PM
Is Novo the place that used to occupy where Arunee Thai is now?
 
If it is, I guess that means my level of idiocy as defined by Stew is down one notch.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: queenskid2 on March 19, 2017, 05:50:28 PM
That's the place. Congrats on your step to enlightenment!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on March 19, 2017, 06:05:41 PM
I recall having a few too many insert fruity juice here "martinis" in there ages ago. I was so glad it was near my apartment at the time so I made it home to my bed with no delay. And then I left the neighborhood and came back and it was gone. I remain fairly unenlightened to what happened to it (other than shutting down as many restaurants do. It's a tough business.) and why "only a idiot" doesn't know what was going on there. Here I am, college educated and an entrepreneur, but still I've fallen in to idiocy.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: NYCSalamanca on April 01, 2017, 04:20:44 PM
Still thinking about oysters and seafood platters tonight :)

Brooklyn's Maison Premiere, which I assume took its name from a Paris restaurant that I worked at called Maison Prunier, has become extremely popular for oysters and platters.

I don't know whether there will be the same demand in Jackson Heights - maybe with younger people - but I want to try offering oysters from Long Island as well as further north to Maine, New Brunswick, Quebec and Prince Edward Island.

For a special occasion, I'd be into bringing in some of the truly great French oysters, the subject of Eleanor Clark's "Oysters of Locmariaquer", which won the National Book Award for Non-Fiction.

We're going to have some fun with this restaurant.

Hi Stew- It's great to hear that you are open. We are psyched for the raw bar! I wrote you a long time ago about my partner that imports Spanish wines (Spain Wine Collection). My son's image is on a bottle of rose wine we bring (bobal) called "Lucatoni"- his name is Luca Antonio. Don't forget to look us up and please don't forget about clams on the half shell! We love them too.
Cheers!
-Holly

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Title: Yes
Post by: Stew on May 04, 2017, 10:07:05 PM
A short update on Swim Two Birds.

People in the immediate area will start seeing a good deal of renovation activity starting Monday or Tuesday. The new work will take the restaurant interior from 75%/80% complete to 100% complete. This work will take 4-6 weeks.

After that, there's lots to do, including hiring and training staff and a soft/trial opening.

Thanks to all of you who have expressed support for this project.

Stew





Title: Re: Yes
Post by: Stew on May 04, 2017, 10:38:51 PM
Regarding staff...

We want to offer first class service and food.

That said, we are committed to hiring, and training, young people in the area who want to work in hospitality. The question is whether our clientele will tolerate that.

Our preference is to follow Danny Meyer, Amanda Cohen and others by doing away with tipping, but there is a very real question about whether Jackson Heights will support this, or whether we need to use the traditional formula at least in the beginning. There are many people who believe, rightly or wrongly, that waiting staff who do not depend on tips give inferior service.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: MrPlaza on May 04, 2017, 10:56:13 PM
I very much like restaurants that include the tip in the check. Just ate at one now across the street from my house, M. Wells. Freek's Mill in Gowanus is the same story. I say go for it. I've never gotten bad because the tip was inclusive.

Side fun fact: I helped open Amanda Cohen's Dirt Candy when I was in college, doing the PR and blogger outreach leading up to and after the opening. Memories!
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: Stew on May 04, 2017, 11:17:42 PM
Side fun fact: I helped open Amanda Cohen's Dirt Candy when I was in college, doing the PR and blogger outreach leading up to and after the opening. Memories!

 Very cool. While our restaurant will not be vegetarian, Amanda Cohen is on the leading edge of some important restaurant issues.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: Ed on May 05, 2017, 08:17:44 AM
I think if you do a good job of communicating that the pay your waitstaff gets is commensurate with a no tipping policy AND there are no issues with the quality if service, it shouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: queenskid2 on May 05, 2017, 10:01:23 AM
When I travel overseas to places where there is no tipping I feel guilty walking away from the table or bar without leaving anything. I would feel more guilty if I did that here even if those were the rules. I like tipping, especially in a local place where building a relationship with the staff adds something to the experience.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: BennyB on May 05, 2017, 10:11:06 AM
If the service is good, I'm fine with it. Waiting tables is a hard job, so if the waiters feel they are not being compensated properly, the service will probably suffer. So if the service is good, I will assume they are being compensated properly.

So with that being said, the only reason I am in favor of the no-tipping policy in general is so cooks get paid more. I worked as a cook for three years and before that I worked as a waiter. Both are hard jobs, but being a cook is much, much harder. Ironically, cooks get paid much less than waiters. Coincidentally at many restaurants the cooks are immigrants and the waiters are white american citizens. So, if no-tipping evens out the pay for the cooks, I support it!
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: Dodger on May 05, 2017, 10:22:04 AM
I agree with Benny 100%. The reason to eliminate tipping is to equalize earnings between front of house and back of house.  Particularly at restaurants that are upscale, tipping since it's based on a percentage of the check means that waitstaff can rake in the money while the invisible linecooks and dishwashers who are more likely to be immigrants and non-white are paid much much less.

The existence of tipping in so many venues is a peculiarly American phenomenon and its history has something to do with new money Americans' desires to ape European aristocratic custom, iirc. The more restaurant owners move to building the cost of labor into the price of the product, and providing a living wage for all employees, the better. So, Stew, I say go for it!
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: Shelby2 on May 05, 2017, 10:51:02 AM
A short update on Swim Two Birds.

People in the immediate area will start seeing a good deal of renovation activity starting Monday or Tuesday. The new work will take the restaurant interior from 75%/80% complete to 100% complete. This work will take 4-6 weeks.

After that, there's lots to do, including hiring and training staff and a soft/trial opening.

Thanks to all of you who have expressed support for this project.

Stew

Great news. Glad to hear it's moving along.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: missmarty on May 05, 2017, 12:29:40 PM
Can you remind me of location?
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: dssjh on May 05, 2017, 01:28:11 PM
Dirt Candy is one of my favorite places, and while i know that's not the model per se, your appreciation of it bodes well, in my mind.

I like the no-tipping model, for the reasons Dodger lays out. it makes for a better atmosphere for employees, and that invariably makes for a better atmosphere for customers.

and if i can beseech you, as i did early in the process, to offer a Caesar on the drink menu (even if only at brunch), i'll be grateful!
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: opalis141 on May 05, 2017, 02:19:04 PM
Regarding staff...

We want to offer first class service and food.

That said, we are committed to hiring, and training, young people in the area who want to work in hospitality. The question is whether our clientele will tolerate that.

Our preference is to follow Danny Meyer, Amanda Cohen and others by doing away with tipping, but there is a very real question about whether Jackson Heights will support this, or whether we need to use the traditional formula at least in the beginning. There are many people who believe, rightly or wrongly, that waiting staff who do not depend on tips give inferior service.

If you are serious about this, you should work with ROC (Restaurant Opportunities Centers United). They are the organization that helped Danny Meyer implement his pay change, and they are incredibly knowledgable on how to hire, train and pay staff in a way that is equitable.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: Jeffsayyes on May 05, 2017, 02:22:12 PM
There are many people who believe, rightly or wrongly, that waiting staff who do not depend on tips give inferior service.


Prove them wrong
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: amsci on May 05, 2017, 02:37:13 PM
Stew, that's fab news!
 I have the utmost respect for servers and support whatever system that may work in their favor.

(My Grandmother worked as a waitress in diners all around Queens for decades , so I may be sliiiiightly biased. ;) )
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: newjhuser on May 05, 2017, 04:17:04 PM
Where is this place?
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: CaptainFlannel on May 05, 2017, 05:14:24 PM
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That said, we are committed to hiring, and training, young people in the area who want to work in hospitality.

How old is too old to work at your restaurant?
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: mgrave22 on May 05, 2017, 06:38:20 PM
Don't feed the troll ^^^^
Congrats Stew
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: dssjh on May 05, 2017, 07:39:45 PM
it will be on 37th between 76th and 77th. see the green construction shed? in there. was an indian fast casual place before this.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: CaptainFlannel on May 05, 2017, 09:21:22 PM
I'd like to know at what age the age discrimination begins. And how will management weed out those who aren't deemed to be young during the hiring process?
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: idahomie on May 05, 2017, 10:33:32 PM
Congrats, Stew. I can't wait for the opening of STB. I knew that someone would take issue with your use of "young." It's great that you care enough about your craft and your community to want to train local people, without experience, to work in high-end restaurants, and I'm happy to give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't an ageist;)
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: Bailey on May 06, 2017, 07:14:29 AM
Growing Farm. Don't let the lack of ambiance fool you. There's good fresh food in there. A beautiful cat. And nice friendly ladies running the registers.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: CaptainFlannel on May 06, 2017, 08:37:16 AM
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I knew that someone would take issue with your use of "young."

Of course! Age discrimination in the workplace has been a violation of federal labor law since 1967. "Young" is not a qualification. If someone wants to train inexperienced people in the industry, the qualification for the position is the amount of experience the person has, not their age. Anyone foolish enough to post that in a job listing or on a public forum should expect to be reported to the EEOC.
https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/adea.cfm (https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/adea.cfm)

Imagine any of these other statements:
That said, we are committed to hiring, and training, white people in the area who want to work in hospitality.
That said, we are committed to hiring, and training, Christians in the area who want to work in hospitality.
That said, we are committed to hiring, and training, men in the area who want to work in hospitality.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: frances on May 06, 2017, 09:58:59 AM
Better: I am looking to partner with local high schools and community colleges to create paid internships so local students can gain a foothold in the hospitality industry. These internships may turn into paid full time positions.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: jeanette on May 06, 2017, 11:23:37 AM
Regarding staff...

We want to offer first class service and food.

That said, we are committed to hiring, and training, young people in the area who want to work in hospitality. The question is whether our clientele will tolerate that.

I find it extremely insulting.

But it makes me laff cuz it is commonly said/written by supposed higher-than-thou, always PC, never biased, accusatory finger pointers.

At least Stew was being honest.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: Stew on May 06, 2017, 09:27:26 PM
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That said, we are committed to hiring, and training, young people in the area who want to work in hospitality.

How old is too old to work at your restaurant?

There is no age that is too old. If you would like to work with us, let me know.

The question that you are asking has nothing to do with my statement that we are interested in training young people in the neighborhood who want to work in hospitality.

Off the top of my head, I know two people in their late 60s/early 70s that I would hire in a second if they were available. One of them, if I can get her to agree, may well be a guest chef.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: Stew on May 06, 2017, 10:03:28 PM
We would really like to open as a non-tipping restaurant.

But the reality is that people disagree on whether this is acceptable, and we will need to be on an even keel early on.

As a practical matter, it is likely to be a goal, six months to a year into operation.

As some people have pointed out, this is an important issue regarding payment of kitchen staff, who under New York State law do not share in waiter tips.

We haven't made anything close to a final decision on this, but it is an important issue, not just in terms of our economics as a restaurant, but in terms of fairness to our kitchen staff.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: Stew on May 06, 2017, 10:52:33 PM
Regarding staff...

We want to offer first class service and food.

That said, we are committed to hiring, and training, young people in the area who want to work in hospitality. The question is whether our clientele will tolerate that.

I find it extremely insulting.

But it makes me laff cuz it is commonly said/written by supposed higher-than-thou, always PC, never biased, accusatory finger pointers.

At least Stew was being honest.

With the greatest respect...

If we hire only highly experienced staff, you will have great service.

If we hire a combination of experienced staff and relatively inexperienced staff, especially young (and older, inexperienced) staff from the neighbourhood, they will have lots to learn and there will be service errors.

What is insulting about that, and more importantly, are you happy, or not, with dealing with people who are learning?

In Jackson Heights, the reality is that we will not start with the staff at 11 Madison Park, and that it will take time to get there. The only thing that I can promise is that it won't ever be Brooklyn hipster (which, of course, some people will want).
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 08, 2017, 11:09:47 AM
Good luck with finishing your project, Stew.

And as in any project, take no notice of those who criticize...

They are doomed to criticize because because they can't create!

Creating takes positive work, ability and focus. (Qualities you have definitely proved. Plus that often elusive trait, patience!)

Criticizing simply projects a person's own inner negativity.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: CaptainFlannel on May 08, 2017, 12:35:39 PM
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Quote
What is insulting about that, and more importantly, are you happy, or not, with dealing with people who are learning?

What was insulting, at least to me as someone who isn't "young" anymore, is that you stated specifically that you are committed to hiring young people. You didn't write that you were committed to hiring inexperienced staff wanting to learn the hospitality business. That's a pretty clear bias. 

I'm glad after it was pointed out to you that your post was almost a perfect training example for new hiring managers of age discrimination and what not to include in a job posting or say in an interview that you clarified you were committed to hiring people who want to learn hospitality, regardless of age.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: Hertog on May 08, 2017, 02:05:13 PM
Excited to hear Stew. Providing a pathway for training is terrific.

Regarding tipping - I'm not from the US so I would prefer it as it's more similar to other countries I have lived in. But I recognize that it may make some customers feel uncomfortable.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: Stew on May 08, 2017, 09:43:43 PM


What was insulting, at least to me as someone who isn't "young" anymore, is that you stated specifically that you are committed to hiring young people.

My apologies. I was thinking about training inexperienced teenagers, who would form only a small part of our staff in such entry positions as busboys/busgirls, and you have correctly pointed out that there may be older, adult inexperienced people who might be interested. If you would like to apply to work with us, plesse let me know.

Title: Re: Yes
Post by: Stew on May 08, 2017, 10:08:03 PM
Excited to hear Stew. Providing a pathway for training is terrific.

Thanks. We are really interested in training because we think that we can do it at a professional level. I would love to take on board someone who really wants to cook and then see her/him go on to culinary school or, if a culinary school graduate, give her/him a chance to showcase her/his stuff.

Will be at the restaurant tomorrow for the start of the final renovations. Looking forward to it. It's been a long road.

 
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: queenskid2 on May 08, 2017, 10:16:35 PM
While I understand the criticism, creating opportunities for the next generation is a noble goal. Age discrimination is a real problem, but the need to expose youngsters to career paths that they may have never considered is something we should support. I have acted as a mentor to young people. There is nothing sinsister about it. I wish more businesses provided opportunities for young people.
Title: Re: Yes
Post by: CaptainFlannel on May 09, 2017, 07:52:05 AM
While I understand the criticism, creating opportunities for the next generation is a noble goal. Age discrimination is a real problem, but the need to expose youngsters to career paths that they may have never considered is something we should support. I have acted as a mentor to young people. There is nothing sinsister about it. I wish more businesses provided opportunities for young people.

Nobody has suggested there's anything sinister about hiring inexperienced people for entry level positions who happen to be young. What *is* problematic is forming a bias and making assumptions about youth being the requirement. That's not the requirement. Experience (or lack there of) is. A 40 year old looking to earn a little income on the side and willing to take a part time job at a restaurant as a barback or busboy is likely just as inexperienced as a high school kid. The hours available, hourly rate, etc. is naturally going to filter out the people with more experience in hospitality who can, based on their experience, get a higher paying job. Stating an age requirement is unnecessary, and a violation of federal labor law since 1967.

If a business is truly committed to training students, the business can look in to formal internships associated with culinary and/or vocational schools. These programs likely require more of the business if the student is earning credit for the work than just advertising an part-time entry level position and hiring the best candidate.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: MrPlaza on May 09, 2017, 10:59:27 AM
Am I the only one who thinks everyone simply read too deeply into what Stew wrote? I understand that it could be read one way (as being discriminatory), but I think prevailing logic suggests he was simply saying he also wants to use the restaurant as a way to expose young people to career opportunities in the hospitality industry. He didn't say that this is his hiring policy.

Methinks people are reading too deeply and trying to find something in between the lines. Sometimes there isn't actually anything in between the lines, folks. Ocam's Razor and all that.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: mgrave22 on May 09, 2017, 11:21:36 AM
Am I the only one who thinks everyone simply read too deeply into what Stew wrote? I understand that it could be read one way (as being discriminatory), but I think prevailing logic suggests he was simply saying he also wants to use the restaurant as a way to expose young people to career opportunities in the hospitality industry. He didn't say that this is his hiring policy.

Methinks people are reading too deeply and trying to find something in between the lines. Sometimes there isn't actually anything in between the lines, folks. Ocam's Razor and all that.

You're not the only one.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: petster on May 09, 2017, 01:57:49 PM
Make that three.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: jhlifer on May 09, 2017, 02:34:14 PM
Just remember no good deed goes unpunished.
I look forward to patronizing this business, as I am sure many others are.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on May 10, 2017, 07:09:20 AM
Am I the only one who thinks everyone simply read too deeply into what Stew wrote? I understand that it could be read one way (as being discriminatory), but I think prevailing logic suggests he was simply saying he also wants to use the restaurant as a way to expose young people to career opportunities in the hospitality industry. He didn't say that this is his hiring policy.

Methinks people are reading too deeply and trying to find something in between the lines. Sometimes there isn't actually anything in between the lines, folks. Ocam's Razor and all that.

I don't think it's a question of reading too deeply in to the statement. Stew's statement was pretty clear, and exhibited a clear bias.

Quote
That said, we are committed to hiring, and training, young people in the area who want to work in hospitality.

It's important to address implicit biases so people are aware of them in themselves (and in their hiring practices). Not to mention publicly stating such a focus in hiring "young" people can land a business owner in hot water. Strew has addressed here that he is more interested in hiring and training people with no experience in hospitality, which hopefully means he is open minded about what a person he is hiring for an entry level position can look like (i.e. a couple of grays, crows feet, etc. shouldn't automatically dismiss a candidate).
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: knatchez on May 10, 2017, 08:25:23 AM
Am I the only one who thinks everyone simply read too deeply into what Stew wrote? I understand that it could be read one way (as being discriminatory), but I think prevailing logic suggests he was simply saying he also wants to use the restaurant as a way to expose young people to career opportunities in the hospitality industry. He didn't say that this is his hiring policy.

Methinks people are reading too deeply and trying to find something in between the lines. Sometimes there isn't actually anything in between the lines, folks. Ocam's Razor and all that.

What do you mean by Occam's Razor? Are you suggesting that other logic standards are unwelcome? I for one would like to know how the managers will weed out those axioms that aren't deemed to be appropriate to this discussion.

Bias towards one particular principle or dictum is a serious offense. "Occam" is not the only way to give the benefit of the doubt. If someone wants to start a pointless argument, the qualification for the position is the amount of free time the person has, not their interest in righting all of society's wrongs. And anyone foolish enough to post that in a public forum should expect to be reported to the FCC.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: petegart on May 10, 2017, 08:52:46 AM
I am looking forward to this restaurant opening.  I also prefer when the tip is included, and the bill requires no calculations or figuring.  When traveling outside the US it's nice to see a price on a menu and know it already includes taxes, tip, etc... 
My experience has been that when the tip is included, the floor staff are all interested in providing service.  It's a win-win.  Good luck on the final stretch..
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Crabby_Appleton on May 10, 2017, 10:44:41 AM
Yes, good luck, Stew. I'm old and in need of work and was in no way offended by the "young" comment. I think training kids is admirable and didn't take it to mean it would the place would be staffed by youngsters. Looking forward to your opening!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Cassat on May 10, 2017, 04:26:10 PM
For what it's worth, I would prefer that tip be included!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on May 10, 2017, 08:39:31 PM
For what it's worth, I would prefer that tip be included!

I would too, but I think that we need to spend some time after opening understanding our customers, their expectations and their views on this issue.

And most importantly, we need to focus on delivering on expectations that I have singlehandedly created on food and service :)

I was at the restaurant today with the crew. They are estimating six weeks to finish. Then training and a soft opening. But I have learned, at this point, to take estimates as rather soft.

The walls and lighting will be finished this week, and it looks like the new tile floor will go in next week.

The new glass front will go in next week or the following week. Our designer has scotched the idea of an awning, and we agree, even though every other shop on the block has an awning. Lots of discussion about security, whether we need a gate at night, which we don't want, vandalism with keys on open glass, etc. Talking to other shop owners about this, and will speak with our precinct. Lots of detail issues.

But it's looking good :)



Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on May 10, 2017, 10:45:16 PM
i'd agree about a full coverage gate; what about (and i know i am not using actual construction/building terms) one of those latticework ones? those don't look nearly as bad, and they would protect the glass.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: francis on May 11, 2017, 07:41:20 PM
Very excited about your opening.  I was wondering if you will restore the original façade. I have no clue what it looks like but I know that it has to be better than what was there.   
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: AmazingJason on May 11, 2017, 11:02:41 PM
Any plans for what dishes will be on the menu?  :)

I remember the mention of lobster chowder, but perhaps you can tease us more  ;D
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on May 12, 2017, 06:49:10 PM
I was wondering if you will restore the original façade. I have no clue what it looks like but I know that it has to be better than what was there.

Hi,

It appears that there were originally no awnings. If there was anything additional to the plain concrete, it is long gone. We are going with a clean look - no awning and no fancy ornamentation.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on May 12, 2017, 06:54:51 PM
i'd agree about a full coverage gate; what about (and i know i am not using actual construction/building terms) one of those latticework ones? those don't look nearly as bad, and they would protect the glass.

We would like to avoid a gate, but we are aware of the potential theft and vandalism issues.

We're talking with other shop owners about this, and will also be speaking with the precinct, our security supplier and our insurer.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on May 12, 2017, 07:20:13 PM
Any plans for what dishes will be on the menu?  :)

I remember the mention of lobster chowder, but perhaps you can tease us more  ;D

It will depend on season. All stocks and sauces will be made in house. Same for ice creams and sorbets, and we will be making our own non-alcoholic soft drinks. And, there will be a decadent brunch and a burger :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: hfm on May 14, 2017, 11:01:06 AM
Any plans for what dishes will be on the menu?  :)

I remember the mention of lobster chowder, but perhaps you can tease us more  ;D

It will depend on season. All stocks and sauces will be made in house. Same for ice creams and sorbets, and we will be making our own non-alcoholic soft drinks. And, there will be a decadent brunch and a burger :)
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Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Ed on May 28, 2017, 02:35:55 PM
Stew- the "door" was open yesterday as I was walking by, your interior space is coming along nicely and is quite elegant! I'm happy to hear that things are moving forward at long last...
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 02, 2017, 12:27:43 PM
Stew- the "door" was open yesterday as I was walking by, your interior space is coming along nicely and is quite elegant! I'm happy to hear that things are moving forward at long last...

Hi,

Thanks Ed, the craftsmen are finishing installation of the floor today and will grout it tomorrow. The floor uses three colours of stone. This iPhone photo makes the space look narrower than it is, although it's not exactly a ballroom. The structure on the left foreground is the bar. The new storefront goes on this coming week. Good progress on the walls and ceiling, but wallpaper, mirrors, tile on the back wall, sconces still to come.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 02, 2017, 01:10:14 PM
I should add that the stone was selected and cut to our specifications on Long Island. It isn't a simple pattern - we're lucky to have many talented craftspeople in the area.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: amsci on June 02, 2017, 02:10:22 PM
Holy wow, Stew! I love the coffered ceilings.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Shelby2 on June 02, 2017, 02:36:39 PM
Beautiful floor.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: jackinjh on June 02, 2017, 02:53:43 PM
Looking nice, Stew do you have idea on the date? Soft opening or grand opening? Or rough estimate fall/winter 2017?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 02, 2017, 03:08:13 PM
Looking nice, Stew do you have idea on the date? Soft opening or grand opening? Or rough estimate fall/winter 2017?

Hi,

The space should be completed within six weeks, probably sooner. At that point, there will still be a fair bit of work to do before we receive any guests. When we do, we're not going to rush it. I'm planning on a very gradual soft opening. I won't fully book the restaurant (assuming demand, of course) until staff and food are ready for it.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Cassat on June 02, 2017, 04:53:06 PM
Looks lovely!

and... I think you can assume demand  :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 02, 2017, 07:16:57 PM
Thanks amsci, Cassat and Shelby2 for your comments.

I'm looking forward to the new storefront next week. The front will be flush (as the building was originally designed, with no overhanging big box "advertisement"), and there will be a wider entrance for everyone's benefit, including wheelchair users.

Very, very happy with our interior designer and lighting designer (both from the theatre world - the lighting is going to be great), and the labourers, carpenters and trades specialists making this happen.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Di_11372 on June 02, 2017, 08:40:23 PM
Very sophisticated, impressive!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 02, 2017, 10:22:16 PM
I'll be at the restaurant on Sunday afternoon if any design students, or people who are just interested, want to drop by.

Will post tomorrow when I'll be there. If the craftsmen who will be doing the grouting on the floor tomorrow tell me that the floor needs more set time, I'll do this next weekend, by which time the new storefront will be up.

Once we open, if there's interest, it might be interesting to host a session involving our contractor and designers about what is involved in doing a project like this.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on June 03, 2017, 04:24:10 PM
What a transformation! We were not fans of the previous tenant and never went there during their tenure, but we loved the place before that, Mehfil, and I still remember what that looked like. You would never guess it is the same space.

Very much looking forward to this! We've only lived in JH 5.5 years, and one of the things we loved when we moved in was having Mehfil so close by--we are on 76 St--then they closed, alas.

Will love having Swim Two Birds nearby. One wish: I hope your menu will include at least some simple preparations without heavy, complicated, spicy sauces. We both need to be careful with our diets for health reasons, and that can be challenging vis-a-vis the cuisines featured in this neighborhood. We love Indian food and Thai food and Peruvian food, etc., but we cannot eat these foods all the time. When you are trying to cut down on fat and carbs--it's hard around here.

In some restaurants, it's difficult to find anything light to eat.  Everything seems to come with a cream-based sauce, or a sugary sauce, or is, to my mind, overly complicated.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to your opening.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on June 03, 2017, 06:25:32 PM
the attention to detail you've been touting since emerging on the board is clearly paying off, Stew - the interior looks absolutely wonderful.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 03, 2017, 08:41:08 PM
Hi ljr,

Jackson Heights is well served by Asian and South American restaurants and we will not be competing with them. My background is in French technique, and we will be serving contemporary American food.

That said, I hope to go to South America in the next year to learn about some interesting developments in Latin cooking, but these are very different from the traditional Latin food offered here.

You will find that our menu is consistent with your desire to cut back on fat and carbs.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 03, 2017, 08:57:43 PM
the attention to detail you've been touting since emerging on the board is clearly paying off, Stew - the interior looks absolutely wonderful.

Thanks so much for your comment.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 03, 2017, 09:06:32 PM
Further to my post yesterday, I'll be at the restaurant from about 1:00 pm to 2:00 pm tomorrow if anyone is curious about how the space is progressing.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 03, 2017, 11:39:12 PM
the attention to detail you've been touting since emerging on the board is clearly paying off, Stew - the interior looks absolutely wonderful.

We are building something special after having stripped a junk space, that had previously been an ice cream parlour press ganged into two failed East Indian restaurants, down to bare bones.

We are doing it despite the building inspector who closed us down, only to have his little martinet mind overruled after costing us a lot of time and money, and despite our local city councillor, whose office, when we asked for help on this, told me that my elected representative was too busy representing Jackson Heights on a visit to Italy.

As I said months ago, when this BS was coming crashing down, we're going to make this happen.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: queenskid2 on June 04, 2017, 01:30:38 AM
I worked in that ice cream parlor over 40 years ago. It's amazing how the same space can be transformed over the years​. I now live around the block and I look forward to sitting at the bar and drinking a Manhattan in the same place I used to serve malteds and shakes.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 04, 2017, 01:41:47 AM
I worked in that ice cream parlor over 40 years ago. It's amazing how the same space can be transformed over the years​. I now live around the block and I look forward to sitting at the bar and drinking a Manhattan in the same place I used to serve malteds and shakes.

This is far and away the coolest comment that I've had.

There are lots of ways to make a Manhattan, and when you come by I want to know precisely how you want it :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: amsci on June 04, 2017, 01:05:46 PM
Oh man, the idea of getting a Manhattan that I neither have to make or or leave the neighborhood for is super exciting.

I like making mine with Fee's Black Walnut bitters and amarena cherries. If the day has been particularly stressful I'll add a spoonful of the cherry syrup.  ;)


I worked in that ice cream parlor over 40 years ago. It's amazing how the same space can be transformed over the years​. I now live around the block and I look forward to sitting at the bar and drinking a Manhattan in the same place I used to serve malteds and shakes.

This is far and away the coolest comment that I've had.

There are lots of ways to make a Manhattan, and when you come by I want to know precisely how you want it :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: homeowner on June 05, 2017, 10:10:11 AM
That is one good looking interior!  Lighting and ambiance are very important design elements that unfortunately are too often overlooked.  If a restaurant has a TV I tend to stay away.  I look forward to your opening. 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: queenskid2 on June 05, 2017, 11:00:32 AM
I worked in that ice cream parlor over 40 years ago. It's amazing how the same space can be transformed over the years​. I now live around the block and I look forward to sitting at the bar and drinking a Manhattan in the same place I used to serve malteds and shakes.

This is far and away the coolest comment that I've had.

There are lots of ways to make a Manhattan, and when you come by I want to know precisely how you want it :)

Nothing fancy: Rye or Bourbon, sweet vermouth and Angostura bitters.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: amsci on June 05, 2017, 12:05:52 PM
I'm a rye gal myself, but either is lovely. :D

Nothing fancy: Rye or Bourbon, sweet vermouth and Angostura bitters.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 05, 2017, 08:39:59 PM
I really enjoyed meeting the people who dropped by yesterday during the Pride parade.

The green "shed" at the entrance will be gone this week and replaced with the new storefront.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 05, 2017, 11:16:19 PM
If a restaurant has a TV I tend to stay away.  I look forward to your opening.

No TVs. In fact, right now we are leaning toward no piped music.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 05, 2017, 11:18:55 PM
Question for queenskid2 and amsci,

Are you purist Manhattan or into taking a walk on the Boulevardier side?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Ms. Jackson on June 05, 2017, 11:32:34 PM
Question for queenskid2 and amsci,

Are you purist Manhattan or into taking a walk on the Boulevardier side?

i just discovered the Boulevardier - delicious!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: queenskid2 on June 06, 2017, 10:14:09 AM
I'm into straight forward cocktails--the classics.  Years ago a bartender in San Francisco who knew I liked Manhattans made me an "Oriental."  I loved it.  I like Campari so I'm open to trying a Boulevardier.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Cassat on June 06, 2017, 10:29:08 AM
I really enjoyed meeting the people who dropped by yesterday during the Pride parade.

The green "shed" at the entrance will be gone this week and replaced with the new storefront.

Can't wait to see the new storefront. Let us know the next time you'll be there - I was out of town or else would have come by.  By the way, personally I prefer no music in restaurants...
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: amsci on June 06, 2017, 10:45:52 AM
I've tried but could never get into Campari. :-/


Question for queenskid2 and amsci,

Are you purist Manhattan or into taking a walk on the Boulevardier side?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 06, 2017, 08:53:21 PM
I've tried but could never get into Campari. :-/

That would have made you quite the rebel during the Sex and the City/Cosmopolitan days.

In Guastavino's heyday (Terrence Conran's bar/restaurant under the 59th Street bridge), a Cosmo was de rigeur.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 06, 2017, 09:55:18 PM
I really enjoyed meeting the people who dropped by yesterday during the Pride parade.

The green "shed" at the entrance will be gone this week and replaced with the new storefront.

Can't wait to see the new storefront. Let us know the next time you'll be there - I was out of town or else would have come by.  By the way, personally I prefer no music in restaurants...

Hi Cassat,

I'll post here and/or send you a personal message.

Our craftspeople told me today that they are starting with the wall finishes (wallpaper and paint) as well as installing the new storefront, so I'm inclined to give it a few days.

Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: amsci on June 06, 2017, 10:44:27 PM
I don't care for vodka either, so that rules out cosmos altogether. :)

I've tried but could never get into Campari. :-/

That would have made you quite the rebel during the Sex and the City/Cosmopolitan days.

In Guastavino's heyday (Terrence Conran's bar/restaurant under the 59th Street bridge), a Cosmo was de rigeur.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Ro on June 07, 2017, 09:49:45 AM
Love a good creative cosmo.  :)

I've tried but could never get into Campari. :-/

That would have made you quite the rebel during the Sex and the City/Cosmopolitan days.

In Guastavino's heyday (Terrence Conran's bar/restaurant under the 59th Street bridge), a Cosmo was de rigeur.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 10, 2017, 07:31:12 PM
Love a good creative cosmo.  :)

I've tried but could never get into Campari. :-/

That would have made you quite the rebel during the Sex and the City/Cosmopolitan days.

In Guastavino's heyday (Terrence Conran's bar/restaurant under the 59th Street bridge), a Cosmo was de rigeur.

You're laughing :) Guastavino made Cosmos with vodka both without Campari and with Campari. Probably the trendiest bar in New York at the time (they did host at least one Sex and the City cast party) it sold an extraordinary amount of Campari, which probably hit the peak of its popularity.

Guastavino also claimed to have invented the Cosmo, although that is definitely questionable.

It was an amazing space. The bar was great, the restaurant less so. When it closed, the space became a rather pedestrian, semi-upscale shopping mall. Don't know what it is now.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: amsci on June 11, 2017, 02:01:53 PM
It's a Michael's craft store now.

My company used to host holiday parties there, but I have an aversion to "mandatory fun" so I never went.


Love a good creative cosmo.  :)

I've tried but could never get into Campari. :-/

That would have made you quite the rebel during the Sex and the City/Cosmopolitan days.

In Guastavino's heyday (Terrence Conran's bar/restaurant under the 59th Street bridge), a Cosmo was de rigeur.

You're laughing :) Guastavino made Cosmos with vodka both without Campari and with Campari. Probably the trendiest bar in New York at the time (they did host at least one Sex and the City cast party) it sold an extraordinary amount of Campari, which probably hit the peak of its popularity.

Guastavino also claimed to have invented the Cosmo, although that is definitely questionable.

It was an amazing space. The bar was great, the restaurant less so. When it closed, the space became a rather pedestrian, semi-upscale shopping mall. Don't know what it is now.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Simka on June 11, 2017, 03:29:16 PM
By the way, personally I prefer no music in restaurants...
Me too. Or at least keep the volume down so people can talk without competing with it.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on June 11, 2017, 04:49:14 PM
as long as wish lists are being compiled, i hope that your initial plan to have a smattering of elements from your own heritage in the mix - i remember mention of Maritime dishes at one point :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 13, 2017, 06:59:47 PM
Hi Simka and dssjh,

We're going to do the soft opening without music and see whether guests are happy with it.

We will indeed have a number of maritime dishes on the menu. After all, we are living on an island :)

The crew were putting the finishing touches on the new front today. The green shed will come off as soon as they are ready to get rid of it. As mentioned previously, there will not be an awning/box sign above the entrance. The idea is to keep the front in tune with how the building was originally designed.




Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on June 13, 2017, 08:13:41 PM
music/sound is a very interesting element in this mix - kind of like lighting (although *no* lighting is really not an option).

i'm sometimes hesitant to go to one favorite place - Osteria Morini - because of management insistence on ramping up decibels to the point where everyone needs to shout. haven't noticed that at Michael White's other places, though.

"energy" is organic. it's there or it isn't. and the *kind* of energy you want to have in the space is a consideration, too. hope you find the mix you need there.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 13, 2017, 08:29:35 PM
A small insight into creating a restaurant...

This week, our crew will be working on wall finishes.

Today, we held up some wallpaper against a wall to judge how it will look.

We immediately realised that it looks amazing with the floor tile.

We also immediately realised that it will put us well on the way to a space that some guests, especially young people, may find outside their comfort zone.

Given that we want this to be a neighborhood, somewhat casual restaurant, this is a real issue.

We spent some time talking about how important staff will be in how the restaurant is seen/welcomed if we continue on our current road on finishes.

In the end, we decided to go ahead with the wallpaper.

We will find out after we open whether this was the right decision.




Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 13, 2017, 09:37:37 PM
A more direct version of my last post...

Today it hit home that we are way offside how restaurants in the area are done.

If we are successful, others will follow.

If the food and service are good and we fail, we will lose our shirts and learn that we should have stayed with our original intention to do this in Manhattan or Brooklyn or Long Island City, all of which we considered in detail before deciding on Jackson Heights.

Our designer, who is in his mid-twenties, and in whom we have great confidence, believes that the design will work for young people as well as older people, and won't be seen as too formal/fancy. But he lives in Manhattan via Key West.

We'll know soon enough :)

Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: stevn on June 13, 2017, 10:44:49 PM
I'm glad we got an insight from a person who has taken 2+ years to open a tiny restaurant.

When you fail, blame the wallpaper.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: lalochezia on June 13, 2017, 11:04:27 PM
I'm glad we got an insight from a person who has taken 2+ years to open a tiny restaurant.

When you fail, blame the wallpaper.

Do not feed the newly-registered troll.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: MrPlaza on June 13, 2017, 11:32:55 PM
I'm glad we got an insight from a person who has taken 2+ years to open a tiny restaurant.

When you fail, blame the wallpaper.

Do not feed the newly-registered troll.
Word. There's good wallpaper and bad wallpaper.  Not sure if that's going to be a deal breaker for people of the food and vibes are good. And for the record, ambient music would be preferable.

Signed,
20-something year old
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: stevn on June 14, 2017, 11:11:49 PM
I'm glad we got an insight from a person who has taken 2+ years to open a tiny restaurant.

When you fail, blame the wallpaper.

Do not feed the newly-registered troll.

As they say in sports talk radio, first time, long time. I felt the need to finally comment on this guy's pomposity...but don't listen to me, I'm often made uncomfortable by wall coverings.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: lalochezia on June 14, 2017, 11:25:20 PM
As they say in sports talk radio, first time, long time. I felt the need to finally comment on this guy's pomposity...but don't listen to me, I'm often made uncomfortable by wall coverings.

I'm so glad we have a talk-radio listening, long-time lurker weighing in on our Alain Ducasse-trained ex-ambassadorial chef's new restaurant before it opens. I'm sure we will all be enlightened by your trenchant and useful commentary. Ooops...... Guess I'm being pompous!

I am concerned, though.....does your lack of comfort and uncontrollable need to comment mean you need a safe space?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: stevn on June 14, 2017, 11:47:18 PM
As they say in sports talk radio, first time, long time. I felt the need to finally comment on this guy's pomposity...but don't listen to me, I'm often made uncomfortable by wall coverings.

I'm so glad we have a talk-radio listening, long-time lurker weighing in on our Alain Ducasse-trained ex-ambassadorial chef's new restaurant before it opens. I'm sure we will all be enlightened by your trenchant and useful commentary. Ooops...... Guess I'm being pompous!

I am concerned, though.....does your lack of comfort and uncontrollable need to comment mean you need a safe space?

The king of all trolls is this Stew character. After 2+ years of tempting you with talk of oysters and French delicacies, the green shed will come down to reveal...a dollar store!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: lalochezia on June 15, 2017, 12:15:56 AM
The king of all trolls is this Stew character. After 2+ years of tempting you with talk of oysters and French delicacies, the green shed will come down to reveal...a dollar store!
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Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Di_11372 on June 15, 2017, 07:42:57 AM

Background music is essential!
of course low volume, but be it lounge/ambient/chill, it's going help you achieve this more relaxed, less formal atmosphere.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on June 15, 2017, 07:44:51 AM
I got a peek at the interior when the guys were working yesterday, and my first thought was: wow, is this different for this neighborhood! There is nothing remotely like this in JH, and there probably never has been anything like it here. So it will be interesting. I believe there's a market for it, though, and it will work as long as it lives up to its promise. I'm very much looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Lilybell on June 15, 2017, 09:10:18 AM
Sigh, our trolls are so lame.  Why can't we get one who is clever or has an iq over 70?   
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on June 15, 2017, 01:00:57 PM
have you ever listened to sports talk radio? having one with opposable thumbs is a surprise.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: hfm on June 15, 2017, 11:49:26 PM
I'm glad we got an insight from a person who has taken 2+ years to open a tiny restaurant.

When you fail, blame the wallpaper.

Do not feed the newly-registered troll.
Word. There's good wallpaper and bad wallpaper.  Not sure if that's going to be a deal breaker for people of the food and vibes are good. And for the record, ambient music would be preferable.

Signed,
20-something year old

Have to agree here, not a fan of coffee shops and restaurants that have things that make you feel guilty for not paying attention to them and that are too loud and center of attention. I go to those places to talk with my party or in the case of a coffee shop to chill and focus, not be blasted at.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 22, 2017, 07:17:44 PM
I got a peek at the interior when the guys were working yesterday, and my first thought was: wow, is this different for this neighborhood! There is nothing remotely like this in JH, and there probably never has been anything like it here. So it will be interesting. I believe there's a market for it, though, and it will work as long as it lives up to its promise. I'm very much looking forward to it.

Thanks. As you suggest, we have to get the food and service right.

As a vocal critic in this thread has just pointed out, it's going to be a tiny restaurant. Only 45 seats including seven at the bar. No TVs either. And no music at levels that make it necessary to raise your voice to talk with your partner 18" away.

Works for me, as a cook and resident of Jackson Heights for over 15 years, and hopefully for our guests.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 22, 2017, 07:51:54 PM
There has been a lot of progress on the restaurant since we invited people to drop by during Gay Pride day two weeks ago.

For those who are interested, we're going to do another open house this weekend or next.

Might be of particular interest to people, including students, interested in interior design.

This time we'll have a couple of the custom chairs that North Carolina's Artistic Frame has made for us on the floor.

Will post when tomorrow.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 22, 2017, 09:57:33 PM
Decided.

We're going to do another open house this Sunday from 1:00 p.m. to 2:00 p.m.

Come by, say hello and tell us what you like and don't like.

And if you're studying/interested in interior design, come by, check out the space, and tell us whether you are interested in taking part in a seminar with our interior and lighting designers.

And if you are interested in the construction side of a restaurant space, tell us whether you'd be interested in taking part in a seminar with our general contractor and specialist craftsmen.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 24, 2017, 04:32:44 PM
Just want to confirm that we'll be at the restaurant tomorrow from 1 pm to 2 pm if anyone wants to drop by and have a look.

The green shed front is still there but not for structural reasons. A lot of work has been completed since Pride Day, including the new entrance.

For us, tomorrow will be the first time that we see how Artistic Frame's matching table and bar chairs look in the space. Fingers crossed that they'll look as good as we hope.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 24, 2017, 05:06:19 PM
I'm glad we got an insight from a person who has taken 2+ years to open a tiny restaurant.

When you fail, blame the wallpaper.

Hi,

I'd like to invite you to come by tomorrow. As I said in the post immediately above, we'll be there from 1 pm to 2 pm for an open house.

I look forward to meeting you. Hope you can make it.

Stew
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 25, 2017, 12:05:37 PM
My apologies. My contractor just told me that they changed the lock on Friday and I don't have the new key.

I'll have to do this next weekend. Very sorry for any inconvenience.


Stew
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: amsci on June 26, 2017, 01:02:03 PM
Hey Stew,

Any idea of when the "shelter" around the storefront will come off (for those of us who are low-key lookie-loos ;))?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 27, 2017, 09:06:21 PM
Hey Stew,

Any idea of when the "shelter" around the storefront will come off (for those of us who are low-key lookie-loos ;))?

Hi,

The "shelter" has no function at this point. The new front is installed. It's there to dissuade potential vandalism.

A few posts ago, ljr said that he/she was by during the day and just walked in. Apparently Vivian, our on-site manager and a great guy, didn't eat ljr for lunch :) Don't hesitate to say that I said it's OK, but I doubt that will be necessary. The crew are pretty proud of their work, and deservedly so.

So maybe just open the door and walk in (albeit past a bit of plastic at the moment), introduce yourself and have a look around. If you do, I should point out that the ceramic/stone floor is covered at the moment to protect it, but everything else is visible.

Onviously, the guys have work to do, but the occasional quick look around isn't going to disrupt anything.
 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on June 27, 2017, 10:25:23 PM
Hi amsci,

I just realised that based on the history of our dealings with the local building inspector, I need to scotch my last post. It is entirely possible that he will slam us with another stop work order because, for example, you are on the property while our crew are doing what they are doing at the moment, which is painting and applying wallpaper.

I would be delighted to show you around if you contact me by personal message.

Stew



Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on June 28, 2017, 07:54:49 AM
I didn't actually walk inside, I just peeked inside. You should keep the shed up to prevent vandalism for sure--I think it's pretty common unfortunately.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Scotsloon on July 23, 2017, 11:38:15 AM
Stewart:
It is some time since I have met you - but we used to bump into each other over a drink in Manhattan.
Since then I have moved to Jackson Heights (4 years ago) and was delighted to see that a French/American restaurant was planning to open, and even more delighted to find that you are the culinary mover behind it.
I have been following this (sometimes painful) correspondence for some time and am REALLY LOOKING FORWARD to having an opening date to come and celebrate the birth of your new restaurant.
Every best wish - good luck.
Sandy
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Sabina on August 22, 2017, 09:29:47 PM
Bump - any update?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: spanky on August 29, 2017, 11:13:41 AM
This appears to be a dead issue.  I doubt very seriously if Swim Two Birds will ever open.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Ed on August 29, 2017, 11:28:17 AM
This appears to be a dead issue.  I doubt very seriously if Swim Two Birds will ever open.
O ye, of little fete! I dunno, the last glimpse I had of the (beautiful) interior it seems a little too far along to simply walk away from.

Party on, Stew!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Shelby2 on August 29, 2017, 12:11:33 PM
This appears to be a dead issue.  I doubt very seriously if Swim Two Birds will ever open.
O ye, of little fete! I dunno, the last glimpse I had of the (beautiful) interior it seems a little too far along to simply walk away from.

Party on, Stew!

Can't wait to see it.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: francis on September 04, 2017, 11:00:17 AM
Anyone have any updates regarding STB?  It seemed like he was almost ready to open.  So much time and investment to walk away.  Hope this succeeds as it offers something the neighborhood does not currently have.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: stevn on September 24, 2017, 09:26:40 PM
Anyone have any updates regarding STB?  It seemed like he was almost ready to open.  So much time and investment to walk away.  Hope this succeeds as it offers something the neighborhood does not currently have.

The wallpaper scared everyone away.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Lilybell on September 26, 2017, 10:19:42 AM
stevn, you have a grand total of 5 posts on this site, and every single one is slightly obnoxious. Why bother?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: European on September 26, 2017, 11:19:11 AM
Couple of weeks ago, the door was open and I saw walls and floors finished, no tables and chairs.  I really liked it, hope they will open soon.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: deja on September 26, 2017, 11:41:01 AM
Also looking forward to seeing it open.  Not to mention partaking of the fine cuisine within.    ;D
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: JH3525 on September 26, 2017, 12:34:44 PM
It looks like we'll be having three restaurant opening at about the same time within one block:  Swim Two Birds, Sagar Chinese and Romeo's Italian. 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: stevn on September 26, 2017, 09:48:51 PM
stevn, you have a grand total of 5 posts on this site, and every single one is slightly obnoxious. Why bother?

I know I've got a way to go until "Mayor" status.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: petegart on October 13, 2017, 02:41:07 PM
Any News? 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: JH3525 on October 15, 2017, 12:05:32 PM
After so many years, does anyone care about this restaurant or if it will ever open. 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Cassat on October 15, 2017, 02:40:06 PM
Yup
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: lalochezia on October 15, 2017, 02:56:03 PM
I care. I and many people are still rooting for them - they've obviously had a rough road.

 It ain't over till the fat lady sings "Nail salon".
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on October 15, 2017, 05:30:17 PM
I don't get how it is even possible to maintain a lease for so long without being able to actually open for business. This situation is also true of The Queensboro on Northern, which has been "coming soon" for how many years now? Three maybe? How can this go on for so long? It must cost a fortune.

I wonder how long it will take The Arepa Lady to actually open in the former Ingrid's Salon. Or the two restaurants that are going into the Bruson Building. I do see renovation work being done at Bruson, but have not seen any activity at Swim Two Birds for months. Seems very strange.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: wk067781 on October 16, 2017, 02:28:02 PM
I don't get how it is even possible to maintain a lease for so long without being able to actually open for business. This situation is also true of The Queensboro on Northern, which has been "coming soon" for how many years now? Three maybe? How can this go on for so long? It must cost a fortune.

I wonder how long it will take The Arepa Lady to actually open in the former Ingrid's Salon. Or the two restaurants that are going into the Bruson Building. I do see renovation work being done at Bruson, but have not seen any activity at Swim Two Birds for months. Seems very strange.

Tax write offs
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: jackinjh on October 16, 2017, 04:44:31 PM
I don't get how it is even possible to maintain a lease for so long without being able to actually open for business. This situation is also true of The Queensboro on Northern, which has been "coming soon" for how many years now? Three maybe? How can this go on for so long? It must cost a fortune.

I wonder how long it will take The Arepa Lady to actually open in the former Ingrid's Salon. Or the two restaurants that are going into the Bruson Building. I do see renovation work being done at Bruson, but have not seen any activity at Swim Two Birds for months. Seems very strange.

At least for The Queensboro you see a lot of progress in the past month.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Ms. Jackson on October 21, 2017, 08:27:40 PM
Stew posted a pic to hi FB page: https://www.facebook.com/stewwadden/photos/a.1555061054517162.1073741825.217156858307595/1555061031183831/?type=3&theater
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Shelby2 on October 21, 2017, 08:46:33 PM
Stew posted a pic to hi FB page: https://www.facebook.com/stewwadden/photos/a.1555061054517162.1073741825.217156858307595/1555061031183831/?type=3&theater

Thanks for posting. Looks like the caption says they are projecting a Dec. 1 opening date.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: lalochezia on October 22, 2017, 09:17:11 AM
Stew posted a pic to hi FB page: https://www.facebook.com/stewwadden/photos/a.1555061054517162.1073741825.217156858307595/1555061031183831/?type=3&theater

CMOOOON STUUUUUU!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: rhydewithdis on October 23, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I don't get how it is even possible to maintain a lease for so long without being able to actually open for business. This situation is also true of The Queensboro on Northern, which has been "coming soon" for how many years now? Three maybe? How can this go on for so long? It must cost a fortune.

I wonder how long it will take The Arepa Lady to actually open in the former Ingrid's Salon. Or the two restaurants that are going into the Bruson Building. I do see renovation work being done at Bruson, but have not seen any activity at Swim Two Birds for months. Seems very strange.

Tax write offs

Explain please.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Ed on October 23, 2017, 09:31:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upifaeK0B5U
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 23, 2017, 10:42:09 PM
Congrats...and respect for your perseverance.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: M7X7 on October 24, 2017, 11:22:51 AM
Explain please.

The landlord gets tax breaks for the "lost income" of an empty rental property. They take advantage of this by asking for outrageously high rents that they know nobody can afford, to get a bigger tax break and claim their property is worth more. They then use the artificially high value of the building as collatoral for bank loans to make other investments. In this way they actually make more money with an empty building than they would with tenants.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: lalochezia on October 24, 2017, 11:28:59 AM
Explain please.

The landlord gets tax breaks for the "lost income" of an empty rental property. They take advantage of this by asking for outrageously high rents that they know nobody can afford, to get a bigger tax break and claim their property is worth more. They then use the artificially high value of the building as collatoral for bank loans to make other investments. In this way they actually make more money with an empty building than they would with tenants.

what does this have to do with maintaining a property as a leasee - the question asked?

 the leasee is paying rent.....
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Sabina on October 24, 2017, 10:10:52 PM
I passed by earlier this evening and the shed is off! Exciting!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: petegart on December 02, 2017, 03:18:44 PM
Any news?  I remember hearing about Dec 1st as as soft opening?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on December 02, 2017, 04:54:16 PM
I trust the owner will let the board know when there is news to report on the opening.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: itsit on December 06, 2017, 10:15:00 PM
 Here's hoping that the special Christmas Tourtiere pies will served in Jackson Heights this year. Really cannot wait.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: jeanette on December 07, 2017, 07:21:27 AM
Here's hoping that the special Christmas Tourtiere pies will served in Jackson Heights this year. Really cannot wait.

One would think that Stew's kitchen is equipped to make the pies by now, and if so, they could be made and sold locally without the restaurant having opened. It would be a good prequel to the opening.

Stew, are you listening?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: deja on January 07, 2018, 11:15:48 PM
Any word on Swim Two Birds?  I'm still hoping...
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on January 08, 2018, 09:47:06 AM
they're clearly paying some attention to the space, since someone keeps taking down those annoying "Dillon for Congress" signs that go up almost weekly. :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on January 08, 2018, 11:40:41 AM
True. However, I must say I am losing hope. It's so mysterious. I thought I heard that the renovation looked virtually complete. So what could be happening? "After the holidays" was the answer when my husband met the owner and asked when the place would open. I'm guessing that was in October, and there has been no activity since the shed came down probably around that time.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: amsci on January 08, 2018, 01:37:50 PM
What's holding STB and the Queensboro up? Is it because they intend to serve alcohol?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on January 08, 2018, 02:03:47 PM
the Queensboro folks have been radio silent for ages, but Stew was on here months ago talking about building violations (not his own, but the actual structure) and other issues. nothing about the liquor licenses.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: the80s on January 08, 2018, 02:09:00 PM
the Queensboro folks have been radio silent for ages

The Queensboro actually tweeted "coming soon!" in October, which, given that I think they were first "coming soon" in 2015, actually seems pretty recent. https://twitter.com/TheQueensboro/status/916044527588171776

No clue as to the reason behind the delays, however.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on January 08, 2018, 02:38:57 PM
I heard that STB got its liquor license long ago. Not sure about Queensboro. I remember hearing the latter was slated for a summer 2017 opening. In both cases, it seems like renovations are substantially done, from what people have posted. Has it been about 3 years since each of these announced they were in the works? It's one of the strangest things I've ever heard of. Maybe STB is in some sort of legal limbo regarding the building violations? And maybe if there is legal action going on, rent doesn't have to be paid? Otherwise I cannot fathom how these owners can go on paying rent on businesses that haven't opened.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: jackinjh on January 08, 2018, 05:01:39 PM
And same for Jackson Gyro, havent hear anything since last fall.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Shelby2 on January 08, 2018, 07:41:22 PM
And same for Jackson Gyro, havent hear anything since last fall.

I peeked in through a tiny hole in the paper and the kitchen seems to be all set up at Jackson Gyro. I couldn't see the rest of the restaurant (seating area).
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: hfm on January 13, 2018, 12:47:40 PM
Most likely like all projects things take much longer than estimated. :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ShinjukuBaby on January 14, 2018, 05:50:19 PM
Here's hoping that they'll open sometime soon!  Looking forward to welcoming them to the neighborhood. 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 05, 2018, 03:53:17 PM
Ok, so it's getting real sad now.

You walk past and the brown paper is peeling away and so you can see what's inside.

The renovation looks stunning. Classiest decor in the neighborhood by far.

But also, it has that deserted "dead mall" feeling.

Where all the marble and fancy fittings don't hide the fact nothing's happening.

And nothing's been happening for a long, long time.

 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: NYC Peromyscus on February 05, 2018, 04:10:18 PM
I wonder if these guys, and the Queensboro people, ran out of money before they could finish. That would certainly explain the delays in opening...
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Cassat on February 05, 2018, 04:44:09 PM
I agree the interior looks stunning. I walk by it and marvel every time. 

It's gonna happen, I'm keeping the faith.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on February 05, 2018, 04:50:18 PM
I dunno--maybe it really is the landlord and the ancient violations and some sort of impassable legal or personal tangle. It's just very weird that there has been zero activity in that space now for months at the point where it looks like the renovation is almost finished. Meanwhile, that Chinese-Indian restaurant in Bruson seemed to set up and open pretty fast.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Di_11372 on February 05, 2018, 08:10:16 PM

The falłing paper not taped back up does gives the impression that the progect is totally suspended.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: JH3525 on February 05, 2018, 09:43:17 PM
ljr:  I knew that Sagar would open quickly.  Whenever I walked by and the door was open, I could see significant activity with lots of workers.  I have no idea what's happening at Romeo's Italian Restaurant which I'm looking forward to since Armondo's is too far away.   
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on February 05, 2018, 10:59:47 PM
Yes Romeo's is weirdly inactive. I just hope it is actually an Italian restaurant and not a glorified pizza takeout place--which seems to be what opens here generally. With a counter and TVs and a Coke machine/cooler in the dining room, and fluorescent lights and plastic chairs and cafeteria-like trays. Like Due Fratelli, which has a full menu but is hardly a real sit-down restaurant like Armondo's. Those seem to be very rare around here. We could use a few more.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jeffsayyes on February 06, 2018, 01:27:25 PM
Is there a rule where they have to have the windows completely covered?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Lilybell on February 06, 2018, 01:32:01 PM
Quote
Is there a rule where they have to have the windows completely covered?

I can't tell if this is a joke, but no, there is no rule about this.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jeffsayyes on February 07, 2018, 10:14:28 AM
It's not a joke. It just seems like they have to have EVERY inch covered
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Ed on February 07, 2018, 12:52:13 PM
How can you have the big reveal if people can see in throughout the renovation?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: petegart on February 07, 2018, 03:12:54 PM
    All I can say is we were really looking forward to this restaurant opening.  We would likely eat there twice a month on Mon - Wed nights to avoid the busy weekend time..  we desperately need a place like this where we can have a nice meal, with good service + wine list.  No TV’s or loud music playing. 
    Recently we met friends midweek for a dinner at Quatorze Bis on the upper East Side, and it was so luxurious to dine in a restaurant where the staff is so conscience of what constitutes good service. 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on February 07, 2018, 04:40:13 PM
Petegart--dream on...I also long for a place like this, but the deck seems to be stacked against it. We seem to only get new dining options with TVs, Coke machines in the dining room, fluorescent lights, no alcohol, plastic chairs and trays. Some would say this is what this neighborhood can support/is known for/really wants--unpretentious, low-cost, diverse cuisines, etc--and not "gentrified" places like the planned STB and the also long-awaited Queensboro. For that--go someplace else, they would say, and have said here, over and over again. They feel it's the first step to JH becoming like a suburban mall, as part of Manhattan are now resembling (I'm thinking of the Upper West Side). I think that's ridiculous. We used to have Armondo's on 37th, which had white tablecloths, traditional service, a full bar I believe, and no TV that I can recall. It was there for many years--did that ruin the neighborhood? We have E77, which is very popular and has a more refined vibe, craft beers, wines, etc. Has E77 ruined the neighborhood or run all the diverse food options out of town? But anyway--it does not seem to be happening, with both these places moving forward at a glacial pace. Who knows why? Frustrating!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on February 07, 2018, 05:00:45 PM
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They feel it's the first step to JH becoming like a suburban mall

Those folks should take a walk down 82nd Street.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on February 07, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
You are saying that 82nd is like a suburban mall? Well maybe like a down-at-the heels one with some empty storefronts. The Upper West Side literally looks like an upscale mall now.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: cultartist on February 07, 2018, 06:51:57 PM
In the meantime you might find the kind of place you’re seeking at Jackson Gyro. Give it a try.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on February 07, 2018, 07:17:06 PM
You are saying that 82nd is like a suburban mall? Well maybe like a down-at-the heels one with some empty storefronts. The Upper West Side literally looks like an upscale mall now.

all malls are down at the heels now.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: toddg on February 07, 2018, 08:47:58 PM
Petegart -- while we wait, Casa Del Chef offers much of what you're looking for, not far away.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: auvenell on February 10, 2018, 03:09:45 PM
Hi there,

I actually met the owners (Rory & Stew) around July. They had decided to move forward with the restaurant, and subsequently recruited me to build the website. However, after I sent a mockup, Rory said he'd get back to me and simply never did. We did have a final exchange in which I asked if the project was moving forward, and he responded with a request for more time.

There has been no word since from either my part nor his. This makes me think the project has been scrapped. I hope both gentlemen are in good health.

Don't have any have hard feelings, just posting cause I see that the thread is still active.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on February 10, 2018, 04:01:16 PM
this got me thinking about the place and i did a little googling and found this -- which is not the best sign.

https://www.gofundme.com/swim-two-birds-co-stewart-wadden
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on February 10, 2018, 04:04:03 PM
Interesting to hear about the website. My husband says he met Stew in E77, I think around early November, and was told the place would open "after the holidays." It sure seems like it's dead now--it looks abandoned, with obviously no activity there at all, and after all the erratic on-and-off postings from Stew, the total silence seems ominous. I'd be surprised if this did come to fruition now. All signs seem negative to me. It's a shame, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on February 10, 2018, 04:10:35 PM
Wow--a GoFundMe for STB sure is illuminating as to what the issue is.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: frances on February 10, 2018, 04:17:58 PM
In the meantime you might find the kind of place you’re seeking at Jackson Gyro. Give it a try.

I ate at Jackson Gyro today. It's fine for what it is, but it's definitely not a substitute for a high-end(ish) restaurant with excellent service and wine list.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ClydeM on February 10, 2018, 04:30:35 PM
Thanks for linking to the GoFundMe page. I plan on making a donation when I get my next paycheck. I can't imagine how incredibly frustrating this must be for Stew.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: spanky on February 10, 2018, 07:48:24 PM
Instead of contributing to the Go Fund Me page for STB why not donate to one of the local food pantries.  Seems like a much better cause



Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: JH.77 on February 10, 2018, 08:26:21 PM
Yes the place looks GREAT and would be a very welcome addition to JH.  I'd probably be a frequent customer... And I wish these guys all the luck in the world.

BUT....

Contributing to a private enterprise seems, at best, bizarre.  That's what customers do when they buy your products. Putting cash upfront is what investors]do, for a share of the company and its (eventual) profits. 
When did this become a thing? Espresso 77 tried the same maneuver when they expanded their store with a similar ask for "donations."  Wonder how many people they suckered. 

These are NOT community not-for-profits. If this confuses anyone, please Google "capitalism."

if you feel the need to donate to something, I'd agree with Spanky's comment: Give your cash to to Food Bank or one of the other charities that feed people.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: jeanette on February 10, 2018, 09:08:02 PM
if you feel the need to donate to something, I'd agree with Spanky's comment: Give your cash to to Food Bank or one of the other charities that feed people.

Let me preface a response by saying that I give a few bucks away every time I'm out on the streets, to buskers and beggars.

However, supporting incubation of a local business by making a one-time contribution would be better use of my dollars. STB will create jobs, some of them being truly valuable training in the culinary arts. Look at the opportunities musicians and visual artists enjoy because E77 could afford to expand. I could cite more examples, but I think you get my drift. When I ran for public office I spent my own money as well as others', and that's what people do when they are interested in improving their community.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: MrPlaza on February 11, 2018, 08:59:09 AM
How confident are we that the money from the gofundme will actually get to stew, and help with the opening? Happy to donate, but unless he is incapacitated, why isn’t he the one who started this, or at least making a statement. It’s all from his supposed sister, who could be anyone who came across this (public) thread and saw a financial opportunity...

I’m sorry to be cynical. I want to help (and I would), but I’d feel better knowing Stew was actually involved in the fundraising. $5,000 also seems like too little of a barrier to opening a restaurant, but big enough for a scammer to make people think it’s a legitimate call for help.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: francis on February 11, 2018, 09:05:12 AM
Couldn't agree with you more  Jeanette.  I remember when expresso 77 was asking for donations for their expansion.  Here is a guy who went through the expense of trying to provide a service/space  that people are clamoring for.  I don't see the harm in asking, particularly given the egregious behavior of many of the commercial landlords. If you have some extra bucks, I don't see the harm in giving.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ClydeM on February 11, 2018, 09:16:47 AM
Yes the place looks GREAT and would be a very welcome addition to JH.  I'd probably be a frequent customer... And I wish these guys all the luck in the world.

BUT....

Contributing to a private enterprise seems, at best, bizarre.  That's what customers do when they buy your products. Putting cash upfront is what investors]do, for a share of the company and its (eventual) profits. 
When did this become a thing? Espresso 77 tried the same maneuver when they expanded their store with a similar ask for "donations."  Wonder how many people they suckered. 

These are NOT community not-for-profits. If this confuses anyone, please Google "capitalism."

if you feel the need to donate to something, I'd agree with Spanky's comment: Give your cash to to Food Bank or one of the other charities that feed people.

I'm not entirely sure how throwing a few bucks at someone who has had an extremely tough slog through this entire process, and therefore has not yet had an opportunity to test their business in the market, goes against the tenets of capitalism. And thanks for your suggestion to google Google capitalism. I'll get right on that as soon as you google the word empathy.

Last time I checked it is possible and legal to donate to both for profit start ups and to not-for-profit organizations, and I have donated both my time and money to the latter (on an on-going basis in some cases). And yes, crowdfunding for start ups has been a thing for sometime now. I know that Ayn Rand wouldn't approve of this, but then again, she probably wouldn't approve of most of what goes on in our neighborhood.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Shelby2 on February 11, 2018, 09:24:03 AM
How confident are we that the money from the gofundme will actually get to stew, and help with the opening? Happy to donate, but unless he is incapacitated, why isn’t he the one who started this, or at least making a statement. It’s all from his supposed sister, who could be anyone who came across this (public) thread and saw a financial opportunity...

I’m sorry to be cynical. I want to help (and I would), but I’d feel better knowing Stew was actually involved in the fundraising. $5,000 also seems like too little of a barrier to opening a restaurant, but big enough for a scammer to make people think it’s a legitimate call for help.

I have heard that the most successful GoFundMe campaigns are those that are set up by a friend or a family member of the recipient. I guess some people feel it's distasteful or desperate when people ask directly for money for themselves. That may be why the sister put it up instead of Stew. Or perhaps she just did it to try to help him and he wasn't much involved in the idea. I have no idea if this campaign is legit, but I did check FB for Stew Wadden and looked through his friends list and he does have a friend (presumably his sister) named Jo Wadden.

I'm not sure if I will donate. I did donate $25 to E77 when they had their expansion campaign, and I feel I've already benefited from that given the arts programming that they are now able to do in the larger space.

Here is the gofundme link in case anyone wants to check it out. https://www.gofundme.com/swim-two-birds-co-stewart-wadden
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on February 11, 2018, 10:18:42 AM
I agree that there is nothing outlandish about donating to help startup businesses that you want to support for whatever reason and that there is nothing morally wrong with it vs putting all your donations towards nonprofits.

It looks like the GoFundMe is a friends-and-family oriented effort by the sister that Stew may have nothing to do with. The notion that it could be a scam seems to me extremely far-fetched. It is based in Canada, where Stew is from, features a photo of Stew inside the renovated space--how would a random scammer come up with that?-- has posted donations from people who seem to be well-wishing friends, etc. Probably it's his sister just wanting to find a way to help, and he is not involved at all.

I think it's possible that sometimes these fundraising things ARE scams--I experienced that once. It was for a product that sounded like an improvement on existing products and purported to be one of those things where your donation helps them manufacture it and get the company going, and you get the product in return for a donation that exceeds what the actual cost will eventually be.

I donated, received the product, hated it, then started Googling and found that this was not a new product at all--it had been around for years and had a number of people posting critical remarks about it, as well as some probably phony endorsements. It seems like the manufacturer renamed it, pretended it was new, and did this phony GoFundMe campaign. Interestingly, I was not the only sucker--even in my small apartment building. I saw the product parked next to our trash cans one morning, where I had been planning to put mine, and had a moment of thinking "Wait--did I put this thing here and forget I did?" But no, a neighbor had also bought it and quickly discarded it!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on February 11, 2018, 10:54:18 AM
i certainly wish Stew well, but if someone has spent literally years on a project, stopping and starting numerous times with very vague explanations and going radio silent for long stretches, i have doubts about the viability of the whole thing.

in no way do i think the campaign a scam or anything onerous, but if the owners need five grand now, who's to say they won't need another ten in October? the profit margins in the restaurant business are notoriously thin, and even if all the people who've posted saying that they'd be regulars eat there two or three times a week, the cash flow might not be that terrific.

i hope he can open and thrive. and it seems as if his cooking skills are top notch. but i wonder if there's enough business savvy on the team to make it work.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: jeanette on February 11, 2018, 02:12:36 PM
Thanks to dssjh for the initial search and GFM find.

I want to say to Stew, if he's reading here, that you can show good faith by opening the kitchen for catering purposes, or offering for sale a specialty item like the Christmas pie. If the space is ready, you could open for private events. At the very least, come back here to post your progress (and I would emphasize just your progress).

History aside, an effort like that on your part would make the impression that the neighborhood is looking for. I think that it will come through for you.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jeffsayyes on February 15, 2018, 11:39:22 AM
Must we be so militant about capitalism if going against it a bit means getting a business run by someone from our own neighborhood and not a.... Starbucks? Or maybe Starbucks is seen as too positive for many people, so let's call it a Popeye's. Maybe it's worth it...
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Lilybell on February 15, 2018, 02:15:06 PM
If I want to donate to Stew, I'm going to. Without caring what anyone else thinks about it.

Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jo the Sister on March 04, 2018, 10:16:14 PM
I guess this social media thing really does have a life of it's own eh! I am Stew's sister, Jo Wadden, and I started a Go Fund Me Campaign for Stew (for his restaurant Swim Two Birds) because family and friends wanted to donate some funds to show some support for him and I needed a platform to do it. I've only been circulating it to friends and family on FB. Go Fund Me can confirm the transfer of funds to STB and so can I. I have been completely transparent about the process because I am accountable to all of those lovely friends and family who have donated so far.

I agree that there are lots of good places, including NGOs, to donate your money to and I'm glad that you want to support them. Please do. I do that too, in particular to our homeless shelters and to food security groups (in the form of volunteer time at a food bank and in $); however, this was just a little show of support from friends and family for Stew, who we love. Please donate if you'd like to. If you want to put your money somewhere else, especially to a food bank, that is awesome.
We know that there have been unforeseen delays but we are all looking forward to eating Stew's beautiful food in this beautiful space.- All my best, Jo
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Cassat on March 04, 2018, 11:41:00 PM
Jo thank you for your lovely post. There is a lot of support for Stew's endeavor in this community and many, many people who will be over the moon on the day that STB opens :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: wallaby on March 05, 2018, 12:02:40 AM
Jo thanks for the thoughtful post! I wish Stew the best of luck and I'm really excited to become a regular once the restaurant opens. In spite of the occasional bickering on this board, I think he'll find much support and enthusiasm in the community.

I guess this social media thing really does have a life of it's own eh! I am Stew's sister, Jo Wadden, and I started a Go Fund Me Campaign for Stew (for his restaurant Swim Two Birds) because family and friends wanted to donate some funds to show some support for him and I needed a platform to do it. I've only been circulating it to friends and family on FB. Go Fund Me can confirm the transfer of funds to STB and so can I. I have been completely transparent about the process because I am accountable to all of those lovely friends and family who have donated so far.

I agree that there are lots of good places, including NGOs, to donate your money to and I'm glad that you want to support them. Please do. I do that too, in particular to our homeless shelters and to food security groups (in the form of volunteer time at a food bank and in $); however, this was just a little show of support from friends and family for Stew, who we love. Please donate if you'd like to. If you want to put your money somewhere else, especially to a food bank, that is awesome.
We know that there have been unforeseen delays but we are all looking forward to eating Stew's beautiful food in this beautiful space.- All my best, Jo
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Hertog on March 05, 2018, 09:25:49 PM
Thanks for the feedback Jo, and wishing Stew best of luck.

The Queensboro people have just started selling gift cards. I'd certainly purchase one for STB also if this was an option to help fund the final push.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: petegart on March 06, 2018, 08:02:22 AM
In looking through the door, the space looks terrific!  It would be nice if the people/person who did all the work would have the opportunity to finally open..  I second the suggestion of selling gift cards, like the Queensboro. 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jo the Sister on March 07, 2018, 10:44:38 PM
Jo thank you for your lovely post. There is a lot of support for Stew's endeavor in this community and many, many people who will be over the moon on the day that STB opens :)

That's very sweet Cassat. I'm glad to hear that there's lots of support for Stew's endeavor in the community 'cause we all love him :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jo the Sister on March 07, 2018, 10:49:07 PM
Jo thanks for the thoughtful post! I wish Stew the best of luck and I'm really excited to become a regular once the restaurant opens. In spite of the occasional bickering on this board, I think he'll find much support and enthusiasm in the community.

That's lovely of you wallaby! Thanks for your reply. I'm looking forward to sharing a drink with the community at STB.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jo the Sister on March 07, 2018, 10:50:55 PM
Thanks for the feedback Jo, and wishing Stew best of luck.

The Queensboro people have just started selling gift cards. I'd certainly purchase one for STB also if this was an option to help fund the final push.

Thank you Hertog! That's a good idea re: gift cards.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jo the Sister on March 07, 2018, 10:57:09 PM
In looking through the door, the space looks terrific!  It would be nice if the people/person who did all the work would have the opportunity to finally open..  I second the suggestion of selling gift cards, like the Queensboro.

Hey petegart,

Thanks for your kind words of support. It is a beautiful space thanks to the designer and the talented construction crew who are truly craftspeople. Gift cards may well be the way to go eh.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Petmarz on March 12, 2018, 05:53:47 PM
I would definitely buy a gift card! 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: hfm on March 14, 2018, 11:04:50 PM
I would definitely do a gift card.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: sl on March 23, 2018, 10:04:26 PM
Hi there,

I actually met the owners (Rory & Stew) around July. They had decided to move forward with the restaurant, and subsequently recruited me to build the website. However, after I sent a mockup, Rory said he'd get back to me and simply never did. We did have a final exchange in which I asked if the project was moving forward, and he responded with a request for more time.

There has been no word since from either my part nor his. This makes me think the project has been scrapped. I hope both gentlemen are in good health.

Don't have any have hard feelings, just posting cause I see that the thread is still active.

Did you get compensated for your time?
Title: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: dssjh on April 10, 2018, 02:00:14 PM
This long, strange trip has come to a sad end, it seems.

Eviction notices posted on the padlocked door, citing non-payment of rent and "fictitious names for under-tenants," including a "John Doe" citation.

There are about six pages of text and i didn't have the inclination to read the entire thing, except to see that legal action has been taken. sorry to see things happen this way.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: JHMNY on April 10, 2018, 02:14:03 PM
I'm so sorry to read this.  I just took a quick look at the Go Fund Me page Stewart's sister, Joanne had set up to see if there were any updates.  Unfortunately, there wasn't any new information there other than an interior photograph taken about a month ago.  I'm wondering if there's any hope left of Swim Two Birds ever opening after this.  Looks final, though. 
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: lalochezia on April 10, 2018, 02:30:51 PM
goddamit.

sorry stu - wish you resilliance with your future..

Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: ljr on April 10, 2018, 03:38:35 PM
That is really too bad. I think opening and running a restaurant is very tough, and you have to have a lot of money and a lot of experience--or know how to get the right kind of guidance if you don't. It looks like the necessary expertise or guidance was missing, and maybe also there was a lot of bad luck involved. Sure is disappointing. That space is so nearby my apartment, I was really looking forward to having that kind of dining option. Condolences to Stew.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: sl on April 10, 2018, 06:10:31 PM
Sad to hear. Stu, what happened?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Tiishka on April 10, 2018, 08:16:11 PM
Walked by today and saw an eviction notice pasted on the door... Guess this isn't happening? Was very excited to eat there and hoping it would open soon!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on April 10, 2018, 09:11:28 PM
i started a thread about the eviction earlier today. it's clearly done, sadly.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: stevn on April 10, 2018, 10:36:48 PM
And what happened to the $$$ donated on the GoFundMe page?
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: Griswold Contessa on April 10, 2018, 11:32:15 PM
Not surprised!
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: JH3525 on April 11, 2018, 06:15:49 AM
Stu has left a very expensive gift of a nearly completed renovation to the next tenant assuming it will be another restaurant or upscale coffee shop.  This space will be rented quickly being it's in a prime location. 
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: ljr on April 11, 2018, 08:19:35 AM
That space was empty for long stretches--or maybe that was the other food place that is now closed for repairs, it says on the window. And the two previous restaurant tenants occupying that space since I've been living nearby don't seem to have done well there, didn't last very long. And like the rest of the city, JH has many empty storefronts that seem to stay that way indefinitely.The STB saga should have been a reality TV show. What a story.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: dssjh on April 11, 2018, 10:24:46 AM
not to kick them when they're down, but a lot of those wounds were self-inflicted.

three years ago, at the beginning of the story, Stew and the long-departed "Redge" came in at full speed. but rather than immediately jump in on renovating the space, they spent a LOT on very expensive (and very nice) cutlery, place settings and chairs, all of which were shown off here an on Facebook. those things are finishing touches, not starting places.

i hope Stew can find a good place to land. but perhaps as a chef, not a manager.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: abcdefghijk on April 11, 2018, 12:24:46 PM
Stu has left a very expensive gift of a nearly completed renovation to the next tenant assuming it will be another restaurant or upscale coffee shop.  This space will be rented quickly being it's in a prime location.

Wow.  It is really is a gift for the next tenant.  That decor is truly amazing.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: deja on April 11, 2018, 12:29:25 PM
Sounds more like nyc's corrupt buildings department bureaucracy was responsible for this demise rather than a lack of management skills on Stew's part. 
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: voelteer on April 11, 2018, 04:43:21 PM
And, in those speculative respects towards bureaucracy, that they maybe had to spend all their extra capital on lawyers and the like (besides the expensive house accoutrements, that is)? Though we're left playing armchair restaurateurs now, it's a crying shame when small businesses seemingly fail. Here's hoping all the folks behind Swim Two Birds may yet find another outlet for creatively contributing to our community.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: NYC Peromyscus on April 11, 2018, 05:23:51 PM
Sounds more like nyc's corrupt buildings department bureaucracy was responsible for this demise rather than a lack of management skills on Stew's part.

Restaurants open quite often in JH. I think this failure can be chalked up to bad luck, inexperience, and some questionable choices on where to focus early on (the latter two of which were on display multiple times on this discussion board). Hope they land on their feet, but not everyone is well suited to run a business.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: dssjh on April 11, 2018, 08:23:58 PM
Sounds more like nyc's corrupt buildings department bureaucracy was responsible for this demise rather than a lack of management skills on Stew's part.

then why have other places opened without fanfare or long lead times in the interim?
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: JK resident on April 11, 2018, 09:47:00 PM
People don’t want to hire experts and think it is easy to set up a kitchen. Kitchens are incredibly hard to approve.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: dssjh on April 11, 2018, 09:50:15 PM
People don’t want to hire experts and think it is easy to set up a kitchen. Kitchens are incredibly hard to approve.

you're absolutely right. from his bio, stew's credentials as a chef are impeccable, but as far as business? lots of great musicians fail at trying to open nightclubs.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: hfm on April 11, 2018, 10:49:36 PM
not to kick them when they're down, but a lot of those wounds were self-inflicted.

three years ago, at the beginning of the story, Stew and the long-departed "Redge" came in at full speed. but rather than immediately jump in on renovating the space, they spent a LOT on very expensive (and very nice) cutlery, place settings and chairs, all of which were shown off here an on Facebook. those things are finishing touches, not starting places.

i hope Stew can find a good place to land. but perhaps as a chef, not a manager.

I agree. I really was hoping it would all work out, but he was a.. lets say.. not super nice in the beginning. There was no end to the trash talk about every other food purveyor in the neighborhood. I always wondered if that attitude bled over into all the city stuff, because it seems a lot of other restaurants have opened quickly with little drama based on observation. We'll never know.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: toddg on April 12, 2018, 12:30:39 AM
Has anybody attempted to reach out to Stew and/or his sister to let him know about the notice on the door, just in case word hasn't reached them?
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: Cassat on April 12, 2018, 11:23:28 AM
Hey, it ain't over til it's over. It does not appear that you can actually say they have been formally "evicted."  Rather, it looks to me like they have been served with a notice of petition for eviction. They could have a defence to interpose or have counterclaims. They could get an adjournment.

I must say, I have found it a bit incredible to see the large variety of strong opinions offered in this space on so many aspects of this undertaking, when we really have no idea how much we even know. I personally assume there is quite a lot we don't know.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: jackinjh on April 12, 2018, 11:36:06 AM
People don’t want to hire experts and think it is easy to set up a kitchen. Kitchens are incredibly hard to approve.

Yeah, lot of respect to immigrants, who most of them come here with no English, no money, and no skill to open a restaurant.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: stevn on April 12, 2018, 11:42:21 AM
A small insight into creating a restaurant...

This week, our crew will be working on wall finishes.

Today, we held up some wallpaper against a wall to judge how it will look.

We immediately realised that it looks amazing with the floor tile.

We also immediately realised that it will put us well on the way to a space that some guests, especially young people, may find outside their comfort zone.

Given that we want this to be a neighborhood, somewhat casual restaurant, this is a real issue.

We spent some time talking about how important staff will be in how the restaurant is seen/welcomed if we continue on our current road on finishes.

In the end, we decided to go ahead with the wallpaper.

We will find out after we open whether this was the right decision.

It is now quite clear that wallpaper was the wrong decision.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: ClydeM on April 12, 2018, 11:48:12 AM
but rather than immediately jump in on renovating the space, they spent a LOT on very expensive (and very nice) cutlery, place settings and chairs, all of which were shown off here an on Facebook. those things are finishing touches, not starting places.


I disagree with this to a certain extent. I have two friends who are chefs that opened restaurants in Detroit and Chicago. For each of them, choosing the place settings, chairs, etc. was one of the first steps. They felt that it would be easier, and offer more flexibility, to design the space around those things rather than trying to choose the "finishing touches" after the space was renovated. I also know an interior designer who has had a role in several restaurant openings in NYC where they proceeded in a similar fashion. She mentioned to me that this helps to create a more unified environment from a design standpoint.

In any case, I can't imagine how devastating it must be to put so many resources, both financial and emotional, into a project and then have it fall through.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: CaptainFlannel on April 12, 2018, 12:00:22 PM
Quote
I have found it a bit incredible to see the large variety of strong opinions offered in this space on so many aspects of this undertaking

I haven't followed this as closely as others, and while I'm sorry that someone's efforts and entrepreneurial dream may be at a close (not to mention financial potential financial losses as well as opportunity cost), I guess I'm not surprised board regulars have strong opinions about the space. I missed some of the name calling and put downs of local cuisine others have referenced, but I did see one post from the owner that said that anyone who didn't know whatever supposedly nefarious actions were taking place related to the restaurant that occupied the space Arunee Thai is now in years ago was an "idiot." So he called me an idiot because I still have no idea what he was talking about.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: wlirfan on April 12, 2018, 12:26:30 PM
I've only been a casual observer on this topic, but as a lawyer myself, I know that when dealing with the DOB, you don't do things yourself.  You hire people that know the inner workings of the DOB - expediters, engineers, architects, master plumbers and the like.  And you do this BEFORE you sign a lease, because they will be able to go into the Building records, look at its history, and let you know immediately what it will take to open a business and to get the proper permits. 

Seemed to me as a casual observer that Stu wanted to do things himself in the beginning, ran into the typical bureaucracy and instead of looking for immediate help from professionals, started arguments with local officials and government employees.  While I am aware that, at times, Court employees can be slow and somewhat short (and sometimes borderline lazy), I would NEVER EVER be anything but incredibly sweet and patient because they control what I need, and sometimes you have to swallow your pride and feelings to get what you want.  Stu learned this too late in the game.

If he was just served with a Petition, there's still hope.  And I do hope he makes it.  But I also hope the next person that tries gets some advice before diving head first.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: abcdefghijk on April 12, 2018, 01:14:16 PM
I've only been a casual observer on this topic, but as a lawyer myself, I know that when dealing with the DOB, you don't do things yourself.  You hire people that know the inner workings of the DOB - expediters, engineers, architects, master plumbers and the like.  And you do this BEFORE you sign a lease, because they will be able to go into the Building records, look at its history, and let you know immediately what it will take to open a business and to get the proper permits. 

Seemed to me as a casual observer that Stu wanted to do things himself in the beginning, ran into the typical bureaucracy and instead of looking for immediate help from professionals, started arguments with local officials and government employees.  While I am aware that, at times, Court employees can be slow and somewhat short (and sometimes borderline lazy), I would NEVER EVER be anything but incredibly sweet and patient because they control what I need, and sometimes you have to swallow your pride and feelings to get what you want.  Stu learned this too late in the game.

If he was just served with a Petition, there's still hope.  And I do hope he makes it.  But I also hope the next person that tries gets some advice before diving head first.

I believe this is very wise advice.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: JK resident on April 13, 2018, 06:10:18 AM
Maybe the arepa lady should move in the place. It would be sweet justice after Stew trashed her. In the end the wallpaper was the straw that broke in the camels back.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: deja on April 13, 2018, 01:36:16 PM
There's a heck of a lot of schadenfreude around here in regard to Stew and his restaurant.  Granted, he may have rubbed a lot of people wrong but no one deserves to put in that kind of effort and money only to be almost mocked for it and the way it turned out.  Could it turned out better? Sure, it could have, but we all have 20/20 vision when it comes to hindsight.

I really do hope it's not over yet.  Swim Two Birds would have been a nice addition to the neighborhood, unlike yet another 99 cents store.  Which is probably what will end up there if it's over.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: sl on April 13, 2018, 01:46:20 PM
Let's hope the Queensboro will not suffer the same fate.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: JK resident on April 14, 2018, 02:10:42 PM
Swim two Birds is a stupid name for a restaurant.  Very esoteric. The other idea of opening a high end Canadian French bistro seems ill conceived given Jackson Heights current demographic profile. Many people are just struggling to pay the rent and the majority of households receive some form of public assistance. This is why the guy who signs up people for a free cell phones does such good business. First rule of business is to open where there are many potential repeat customers.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: sl on April 14, 2018, 04:09:10 PM
Swim two Birds is a stupid name for a restaurant.  Very esoteric. The other idea of opening a high end Canadian French bistro seems ill conceived given Jackson Heights current demographic profile. Many people are just struggling to pay the rent and the majority of households receive some form of public assistance. This is why the guy who signs up people for a free cell phones does such good business. First rule of business is to open where there are many potential repeat customers.

So in your opinion, what's a good restaurant to open in JH?
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: CaptainFlannel on April 14, 2018, 04:35:30 PM
JK resident is a troll.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: ljr on April 14, 2018, 05:25:24 PM
JH Resident--there are plenty of fairly costly restaurants in JH that are doing just great. There are more than enough customers for them--not, of course, the very low-income residents you are referring to. Every retail outlet does not have to be geared to every single person living in a neighborhood. And we have options for everyone here, including the many food carts, the fast food chains, the small, inexpensive eat-in places--and the pricier places like Armondo's, El Chivito D'Oro, Uncle Peter's, the various steakhouses, etc. You think these higher-priced places have no business being here because there are many people who can't afford them? That's absurd.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: dssjh on April 14, 2018, 05:40:36 PM
JK resident is a troll.

indeed. and the best way to deal with trolls is to mock them openly. they are to be seen as -- in the Brit vernacular -- figures of fun.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: JK resident on April 15, 2018, 11:51:59 AM
Laughable that anyone considers those restaurants as costly. Those are moderately priced. High end with high end decor restaurants  like Stew was building do not exist in JH. Of course we never will know how much a plate would of cost because it never opened. We will never see a Major high end restaurant open in JH because they study the demographics from the census before they invest millions. They look at the average income, percentage on public assistance, etc. Same with the stores on 82nd Street. This is why we get only low end stores like Old Navy. If you want really nice clothes you need to travel outside the neighborhood.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: ljr on April 15, 2018, 12:20:41 PM
JK Resident-it's equally "laughable" that you somehow assume you know what the STB price point would (it's "have" by the way, not "of") been. It's as if you looked at the decor and thought, golly gee whiz, that place must be a hundred bucks a plate! I agree the decor was a bit over the top, but Stew had said he wanted it to be somewhat "casual," and I was assuming it would be no higher priced than the places I mentioned. Of course it would not be appropriate to install a very high-end Manhattan restaurant on 37th Ave in JH. And of course I know that there exist higher-priced restaurants than what we have here. But we do have many that are not at all cheap--and similar to many in Manhattan in terms of price.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: CaptainFlannel on April 16, 2018, 11:38:09 AM
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Laughable that anyone considers those restaurants as costly.

Seriously, what is the matter with you? Have you suffered brain damage that makes it impossible to be not insulting?

Yes, for many, many people in this neighborhood, those restaurants are costly. Why is it so difficult for you to relate to other human beings not like yourself? Those restaurants *are* costly for the market. My partner and I eat at them infrequently because of it. Would they be considered costly in the West Village? Well, no. But perhaps you've missed that we are talking about *Jackson Heights* Queens, and not Manhattan.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: queenskid2 on April 16, 2018, 11:44:35 AM
With respect to demographics, the apartments in the buildings right behind Swim Two Birds sell for between $850,000 and $950,000+.  Many of the other buildings have units in the $500,000 range.  There are plenty of potential customers for a moderately expensive restaurant.  Besides, it's not as if STB closed and this is the post-mortem: it never opened.  Whether it was too pricey for the neighborhood is pure speculation.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: dssjh on April 16, 2018, 11:51:17 AM
by JK Resident's standards, there are no high end restaurants anywhere in Queens. these are comparatively costly for *most* people. not as "high end" as a 300 pp omakase, but costly for someone who's bringing home a middle class salary. $150 for dinner and wine for two is not something i can lay out every night, or, really, every week. those who can can also probably afford an Uber to get to a place where pricier food can be had in loftier surroundings.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: JK resident on April 16, 2018, 12:45:54 PM
The vast majority of stores on 37th Ave. cater towards poor people. This is not Austin Street in Forest Hills. There used to be decent stores but most of those upper middle class people have moved. Over 25% of the people in CB 3 live below the federal poverty line. Most of the people that rent spend most of their rent on greedy landlords who continue to raise the rent pricing many of the poor out of the neighborhood. Those inflated real estate values are not really accurate and most of the housing is inhttps://communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov/queens/3 a poor condition. Look at the statistics for CB3. Stop the personal attacks and flaunting your homophobia. 

Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: CaptainFlannel on April 16, 2018, 01:18:49 PM
the question is JK Resident, why do you on insult people who consider Armondo's, etc. by describing them as laughable for considering those restaurants as costly? Did your parents so completely fail to teach you basic civility that you don't understand your words are rude and insulting?

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the apartments in the buildings right behind Swim Two Birds sell for between $850,000 and $950,000+.  Many of the other buildings have units in the $500,000 range.  There are plenty of potential customers for a moderately expensive restaurant.

Important to keep in mind that many of those residents didn't buy their apartments at current market prices though. If someone bought their apartment even just 4 years ago, while their net worth will have jumped up because of the increase in the value of their home, that doesn't make them more flush with money.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: queenskid2 on April 16, 2018, 01:38:09 PM
the question is JK Resident, why do you on insult people who consider Armondo's, etc. by describing them as laughable for considering those restaurants as costly? Did your parents so completely fail to teach you basic civility that you don't understand your words are rude and insulting?

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the apartments in the buildings right behind Swim Two Birds sell for between $850,000 and $950,000+.  Many of the other buildings have units in the $500,000 range.  There are plenty of potential customers for a moderately expensive restaurant.

Important to keep in mind that many of those residents didn't buy their apartments at current market prices though. If someone bought their apartment even just 4 years ago, while their net worth will have jumped up because of the increase in the value of their home, that doesn't make them more flush with money.

I agree that some people purchased their apartments prior to the jump in prices--although even four or five years ago units in Hawthorne Court cost around $700,000--but my point is there are enough customers to support a casual american bistro.

The vast majority of stores on 37th Ave. cater towards poor people. This is not Austin Street in Forest Hills. There used to be decent stores but most of those upper middle class people have moved. Over 25% of the people in CB 3 live below the federal poverty line. Most of the people that rent spend most of their rent on greedy landlords who continue to raise the rent pricing many of the poor out of the neighborhood. Those inflated real estate values are not really accurate and most of the housing is inhttps://communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov/queens/3 a poor condition. Look at the statistics for CB3. Stop the personal attacks and flaunting your homophobia. 



What do you mean JK Resident by "flaunting your homophobia"?
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: Alfster on April 16, 2018, 04:33:44 PM
The vast majority of stores on 37th Ave. cater towards poor people. This is not Austin Street in Forest Hills. There used to be decent stores but most of those upper middle class people have moved. Over 25% of the people in CB 3 live below the federal poverty line. Most of the people that rent spend most of their rent on greedy landlords who continue to raise the rent pricing many of the poor out of the neighborhood. Those inflated real estate values are not really accurate and most of the housing is inhttps://communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov/queens/3 a poor condition. Look at the statistics for CB3. Stop the personal attacks and flaunting your homophobia.

I dont thnk that STB would have been a good match for the neighborhoor. A high end French restaurant never sounds like its going to be within the financial reach of most people in general. My experience with French cuisine is that although excellent, its a bit more of an acquired taste tham say "American casual," Chinese, and Latin options that are more common in the neighborhood. The restaurant business is very challenging and many new restaurants tend to fail within two years of opening. So, in my opinion, I think that Swim Two Birds, if it had opened , might not have been a financial success although excellent cuisine might have been served there.
Title: Re: Swim Two Birds Evicted
Post by: CaptainFlannel on April 16, 2018, 05:02:41 PM
Wasn't Swim Two Birds going to be a bistro? I thought that was the idea. Important to remember, bistros by definition means modest. Looks like the Queensboro will be opening soon, and they are describing themselves as a bistro as well I think. So we'll see.

Sure, anyone who could afford a $700K apartment 4 years ago can no doubt eat at a bistro frequently.  But also, let's remember that someone who bought a $700K apartment four years ago wasn't buying a one bedroom, and because there are fewer multi-bedroom apartments than one bedrooms, there is greater competition for them which bumps up the price. I just think we shouldn't forget that just because apartments are selling for a lot today, that doesn't mean the majority
 of the neighborhood is moneyed. Truth be told, if I were looking to buy today, I wouldn't be buying in JH because I couldn't afford it now.

Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on May 07, 2018, 06:55:39 PM
So many rumours :)

Swim Two Birds is happening.

Special thanks to the Jackson Heights Life participants who helped.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on May 07, 2018, 07:14:22 PM
well, having thick packets of eviction papers taped to the door wasn't a rumor, but glad that you've managed to work through that.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: sl on May 07, 2018, 07:16:47 PM
So many rumours :)

Swim Two Birds is happening.

Special thanks to the Jackson Heights Life participants who helped.

When can we expect the grand opening? We have been waiting for a long time.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on May 07, 2018, 07:35:24 PM
well, having thick packets of eviction papers taped to the door wasn't a rumor, but glad that you've managed to work through that.

One of the wonderful features of rumours is that seven 8 1/2” x 11” pieces of typewriter paper can suddenly be more colourfully described as “thick packets”, and that the content can be assumed to be unassailable.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on May 07, 2018, 07:57:38 PM
So many rumours :)

Swim Two Birds is happening.

Special thanks to the Jackson Heights Life participants who helped.

When can we expect the grand opening? We have been waiting for a long time.

Thanks for the question.

There are about five days of work to do to complete the physical space. For reasons having to do with the availability of artisans, this will take about three weeks, meaning the end of May.

The remaining issues are regulatory (inspections, etc), which the city controls in terms of timing, and engaging and training staff.

I am still committed to a soft opening. A cold “grand opening” is a recipe for unpredictable food and service and for being clobbered on this site :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: JHMNY on May 07, 2018, 08:04:05 PM
Glad to hear you were able to work things out. I, along with many others, are looking forward to the opening of the restaurant. 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on May 07, 2018, 08:16:20 PM
Glad to hear you were able to work things out. I, along with many others, are looking forward to the opening of the restaurant.

And I look forward to receiving you as a guest, and even more to ensuring that you have a memorable evening. Or, more lightheartedly, a fun brunch.

It’s been a long road, but it’s happening.

Cheers,

Stew
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Cassat on May 07, 2018, 09:32:21 PM
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYY -- ahem -- I mean, great to hear, Stew! Just so excited for this :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on May 07, 2018, 10:47:00 PM
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYY -- ahem -- I mean, great to hear, Stew! Just so excited for this :)

We have to invite you to be one of our first customers!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Cassat on May 07, 2018, 11:30:13 PM
Stew I would be so honoured and delighted. I'm going to be a regular in any event, you'll be sick of my face all too quickly :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: wallaby on May 08, 2018, 08:01:54 AM
Hi Stew, Where is the best place to keep up to date as to when the soft opening might happen? The FB page, or will you share that information here? Do you have an email newsletter?
Looking forward to the opening!!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 08, 2018, 10:53:05 AM
Wow.  Congrats.  The trials and tribulations of opening this restaurant is almost Shakespearean in its narrative...

(And perhaps should have been a documentary...)

The owner of this restaurant's perseverance is admirable.

Well done.



Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Hertog on May 08, 2018, 12:28:38 PM
Very excited to hear Stew. And I admire your perseverance.

Looking forward to toasting your success.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Ms. Jackson on May 08, 2018, 02:36:09 PM
This is great news. Very excited  ;D
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: homeowner on May 08, 2018, 02:54:44 PM
Wow. I thought STB was DOA. Still looking forward to the opening.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: deja on May 08, 2018, 04:21:17 PM
Good to hear!  I've since moved out of the neighborhood, well out of the state actually, but I'd like to drive in when you're officially open.  :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: hfm on May 08, 2018, 11:40:37 PM
I am still committed to a soft opening. A cold “grand opening” is a recipe for unpredictable food and service and for being clobbered on this site :)

I'm happy it all worked out for you, but let's be frank here, you did your fair share of clobbering in your entrance and it was unprovoked.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on May 09, 2018, 05:35:19 PM
Hi Stew, Where is the best place to keep up to date as to when the soft opening might happen? The FB page, or will you share that information here? Do you have an email newsletter?
Looking forward to the opening!!

Hi, there is indeed a newsletter. If you want to send me a note at stewart at swimtwobirds.nyc I’ll add you to it.

Stew
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Griswold Contessa on May 10, 2018, 11:20:09 PM
I am so terribly bored with this thread!  I am done with Stew’s mind games!  Let’s move on shall we?  Yes let’s!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: francis on May 14, 2018, 10:22:13 AM
So happy to hear this. Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on May 15, 2018, 01:15:08 PM
I would also be looking forward to it--I was a big booster of STB-- if I fully believed it. Too many strange things have happened without plausible explanation. And the most recent statement from the owner regarding what else needs to happen and the assertion that the place will be opening--well, it's just not very persuasive, doesn't ring true.

It reminds me of a situation a family member went through when payments were due him and the person who owed the money just kept saying things to the effect of "Don't worry--it's on its way! I was just waiting for a loan to come through, which happened yesterday. It will be in your account this Friday, I promise!" They money never arrived. I think the person actually believed what she was saying--because otherwise, she'd have had to admit to herself that her business was failing-- but none of it was true. And it took my relative a long time to understand that nothing this person--a longtime colleague--was saying to him was true.

I will be thrilled if I turn out to be wrong and STB opens and thrives. I'd certainly be an eager customer.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on June 01, 2018, 04:06:10 PM
bumping this in hopes of an update.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jeffsayyes on June 02, 2018, 11:05:47 AM
bumping this in hopes of an update.


How exactly does that work??
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on June 02, 2018, 11:46:16 AM
a message at the top of the page is more likely to be seen than a message buried 18-20 deep.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: homeowner on June 02, 2018, 03:38:30 PM
bumping this in hopes of an update.

Lol. It worked. I thought there was news, but alas not. What say ye Stew?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on June 08, 2018, 02:05:36 PM
on the third anniversary of the initial announcement, still hoping for an update of some sort. the website seems to be dead, and no news offered on GoFundMe.

anything? anyone? Redge?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Thereisnosubstitute on July 15, 2018, 09:05:48 PM
I tossed money into the go fund me, despite finding it very odd. I am hoping this restaurant comes to fruition but I can’t imagine how. Also hoping that if it does the food is better than “The Queensboro”. Popcorn with corn and watermelon (seriously?). Despite that the are very nice at The Queensboro, just the menu is trying a bit too hard.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on August 05, 2018, 07:13:26 PM
may as well try again.....

last update was a promise of a soft open in may, accompanied by ownership mocking those who doubted that would happen.

anything new? if only for those who contributed to the gofundme?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Ms. Jackson on August 05, 2018, 07:50:52 PM
You can see the top of a ladder where the paper doesnt cover the window. I look at that every time I pass to gauge if any work is occurring. Hasn't moved in 6months or more at least, perhaps not even this year. Still holding on to hope.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on August 05, 2018, 07:57:18 PM
Anyone holding onto hope for this--I commend your superior ability to maintain optimism. I think there is something seriously wrong with this situation that does not bode well. I would be very surprised if this ever happens. I did, however, feel the same about The Queensboro--and that did happen, so I don't know. I just don't get how these things can take years and years to come to fruition.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: MrPlaza on August 06, 2018, 10:35:56 PM
DBA: Dead Before Arrival

I wanted it to make it. I really did. But at this point, not much hope to hold onto.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: jeanette on August 07, 2018, 11:29:07 AM
Stew should do a pop up event at The Queensboro! Or a guest chef gig at Addictive Fine Dining.

He could still sell those pies through some other venue or online.

There are ways. Stew hasn't been receptive to creative marketing.

He should return (or make good on) the locally-sourced gofundme funds.

Stew is our neighbor. We should still find ways to support him if not at least in our hearts. He should do the same.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: rhydewithdis on August 29, 2018, 11:39:25 AM
Any update?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: deja on August 29, 2018, 12:52:54 PM
Sadly, looks like it's time to stick a fork in it. 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: toddg on August 29, 2018, 08:08:35 PM
And yet: there's no "For Lease" sign from the landlord.  Until we see that, I suspect they're still trying to raise the capital they need to get over the final hurdles to open.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on August 29, 2018, 09:14:28 PM
perhaps, Todd.

but that's about $30,000 further in the hole in terms of rent on an unopened space since the announced soft opening.

Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on August 29, 2018, 09:35:03 PM
I don't know how in the world anyone could pay rent on a place month after month, year after year plus thousands in renovations and then never even open.  Such a shame.  Even if they do open, how could they ever make up for that loss at a small restaurant in Jackson Heights?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on August 30, 2018, 07:39:42 AM
I would imagine if there's an update, either Stew or the folks on the board who have been inquiring about the restaurant year after year at this point would be in the know and post something.

 
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Shelby2 on August 30, 2018, 08:06:17 AM
So many rumours :)

Swim Two Birds is happening.

Special thanks to the Jackson Heights Life participants who helped.

When can we expect the grand opening? We have been waiting for a long time.

Thanks for the question.

There are about five days of work to do to complete the physical space. For reasons having to do with the availability of artisans, this will take about three weeks, meaning the end of May.

The remaining issues are regulatory (inspections, etc), which the city controls in terms of timing, and engaging and training staff.

I am still committed to a soft opening. A cold “grand opening” is a recipe for unpredictable food and service and for being clobbered on this site :)

I think some may have misread the post about the soft opening. The post said that after the work by artisans was to be completed at the end of May, then there would be additional regulatory items before a soft opening would happen  No date was given for a soft opening. The only date (late May) had to do with artisans finishing physical work.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on October 15, 2018, 03:31:58 PM
my latest "update" from the sidewalk --a new paper posted on the glass of the storefront, on official city letterhead, mentioned "illegal occupation."

i have no idea what this means, just that it was taped to the glass at around two PM today.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on October 16, 2018, 11:00:07 PM
my latest "update" from the sidewalk --a new paper posted on the glass of the storefront, on official city letterhead, mentioned "illegal occupation."

i have no idea what this means, just that it was taped to the glass at around two PM today.

Hi,

There was indeed a notice on official city letterhead. It was a notice from the Fire Department to arrange for an annual inspection of the kitchen. The notice includes the statement that it is unlawful to operate commercial cooking equipment without a permit. At the moment, there is no cooking equipment, commercial or otherwise, being operated.

As you may have noticed, there is quite a lot going on with the signage on various storefronts on the building. This has to do with corrections of historic signage violations. I am unable to do anything until that work, which has nothing to do with me, is completed. I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: lalochezia on October 16, 2018, 11:05:52 PM
(https://memecrunch.com/meme/6O2EU/he-s-alive/image.jpg?w=500&c=1)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Stew on October 16, 2018, 11:36:33 PM
(https://memecrunch.com/meme/6O2EU/he-s-alive/image.jpg?w=500&c=1)

Here is the actual notice that dssjh is talking about. It has nothing to do with illegal occupation. It has to do with arranging for an annual inspection of equipment that is not even being operated. As a casual observer might notice, the issue with that building at the moment is the work that is going on on signage on a number of storefronts, which makes it actually illegal for me to complete work despite the fact that it has nothing to do with me. Thanks.

Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on October 17, 2018, 12:27:16 AM
Sorry for the misunderstanding on my part, Stew.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Hertog on October 17, 2018, 12:59:36 PM
Thanks for the update Stew. Sorry to hear you are being delayed still.

When I saw El Rico Tinto and Growing Farm close I worried that their was more afoot with the building.

Good luck to you.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 17, 2018, 04:38:00 PM
Good for you Stew.

Like Lazarus. (or Jesus?)

You have arisen. :)



Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: queenskid2 on October 18, 2018, 08:46:24 AM
Good for you Stew.

Like Lazarus. (or Jesus?)

You have arisen. :)

Or Lucy, ready to pull the football away from Charlie Brown.



Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: rhydewithdis on January 11, 2019, 10:59:44 AM
(https://memecrunch.com/meme/6O2EU/he-s-alive/image.jpg?w=500&c=1)

Here is the actual notice that dssjh is talking about. It has nothing to do with illegal occupation. It has to do with arranging for an annual inspection of equipment that is not even being operated. As a casual observer might notice, the issue with that building at the moment is the work that is going on on signage on a number of storefronts, which makes it actually illegal for me to complete work despite the fact that it has nothing to do with me. Thanks.

Any update?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on January 11, 2019, 12:30:47 PM
Let it go. The update will be if and when it every opens.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Thereisnosubstitute on March 09, 2019, 12:09:40 PM
Was there at least an acknowledgment to the people (suckers) who donated to the go fund me, myself included? I may have missed it, if not I wouldn’t step foot in the place even if it did open. If I missed it I apologize otherswise for the 21 people that donated close to 3,000 what a joke...

Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on March 09, 2019, 12:19:13 PM
looking for a silver lining, maybe this means the relocating Peruvian place noted in another thread will be taking the dormant space. it's right at my corner and ceviche is much tastier than another year of nothingburger.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Di_11372 on May 29, 2019, 09:17:06 PM

The lights were on in there tonite... (unless they always are, & I never noticed?) Maybe whatever legal dispute ended, and now a new tenant can move in?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 29, 2019, 09:32:11 PM

The lights were on in there tonite... (unless they always are, & I never noticed?) Maybe whatever legal dispute ended, and now a new tenant can move in?

Lights have been left on for the past few weeks...
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on May 29, 2019, 10:12:06 PM
yes, lights seem to be on a timer to go on at a set time. you can peek in and see nothing's happened for a long while.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: rhydewithdis on May 30, 2019, 03:10:39 PM
great, so if the lights are working they must be opening soon. can't wait!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on May 30, 2019, 10:41:17 PM
You know how there are a lot of believe-it-or-not, strange-but-true podcasts out now? I was thinking the saga of this place would make a great podcast series--it's a story shrouded in mystery with a lot of dramatic elements and a real estate angle--great material! I think the idea came to me because I am dying to know: what gives? How can this place be sitting there almost fully renovated and just...nothing is happening, one way or the other. Of course, it also took The Queensboro an extremely long time to emerge, so maybe this is just a longer version of that story. While other establishments in JH quickly open and eventually close. It's all so mysterious.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on May 31, 2019, 06:24:13 PM
i'll give Stew's investors credit for sinking four years' worth of rent -- gotta be $350-400K by now -- into the project if it actually is still alive (there's no LoopNet listing to indicate otherwise).
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: SimoneB on June 01, 2019, 10:24:44 AM
You know how there are a lot of believe-it-or-not, strange-but-true podcasts out now? I was thinking the saga of this place would make a great podcast series--it's a story shrouded in mystery with a lot of dramatic elements and a real estate angle--great material! I think the idea came to me because I am dying to know: what gives? How can this place be sitting there almost fully renovated and just...nothing is happening, one way or the other. Of course, it also took The Queensboro an extremely long time to emerge, so maybe this is just a longer version of that story. While other establishments in JH quickly open and eventually close. It's all so mysterious.

yes, thinking the same :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: carrefour_ny on June 03, 2019, 09:53:00 AM
So, the discussion here about STB piqued my curiosity and I took a peek through the brown paper. It seems like there is some electronic equipment delivered and stacked on the counter, which I don't remember seeing in the past. So doubtful as I am that this place will open, maybe there is some activity happening there.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on June 03, 2019, 01:40:44 PM
When we were peering inside one evening, one of the supers on our block passed by and called out to us: "It's opening in two weeks!" But upon reflection, we think he was joking.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Di_11372 on June 03, 2019, 07:08:29 PM

 If anything opens in that space, I'm pretty sure it won't be STBs
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on June 03, 2019, 07:29:51 PM
When we were peering inside one evening, one of the supers on our block passed by and called out to us: "It's opening in two weeks!" But upon reflection, we think he was joking.

judging by the tone of posts from the investor and the chef back in their first and second opening eras, i don't think supers are in their circle of confidantes.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on December 17, 2019, 11:20:51 AM
i realize that this topic has been covered to death, but, for those who might've been interested in the sort of cuisine Swim Two Birds principals were promising, there's a new place in Brooklyn.

https://ny.eater.com/2019/12/17/21024748/bar-bete-carroll-gardens-nyc-restaurant-opening

Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: KGDHP on December 17, 2019, 01:51:38 PM
i realize that this topic has been covered to death, but, for those who might've been interested in the sort of cuisine Swim Two Birds principals were promising, there's a new place in Brooklyn.

https://ny.eater.com/2019/12/17/21024748/bar-bete-carroll-gardens-nyc-restaurant-opening

You know, a place like this (aka STB) would have been great for the neighborhood. But, I am getting so fed up with the empty space that is now a magnet for trash and graffiti. Stew, if you read this board, PLEASE..at the very least can you be a good neighbor and keep the exterior of the space clean? What gives?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: lalochezia on December 17, 2019, 02:47:20 PM
i realize that this topic has been covered to death, but, for those who might've been interested in the sort of cuisine Swim Two Birds principals were promising, there's a new place in Brooklyn.

https://ny.eater.com/2019/12/17/21024748/bar-bete-carroll-gardens-nyc-restaurant-opening

You know, a place like this (aka STB) would have been great for the neighborhood. But, I am getting so fed up with the empty space that is now a magnet for trash and graffiti. Stew, if you read this board, PLEASE..at the very least can you be a good neighbor and keep the exterior of the space clean? What gives?

By all accounts a (malicious or otherwise) SNAFU between the city and the landlord has stopped stew to be able to do anything more to the space. I can't imagine how many hundreds of k of stew and his investor's capital has been flushed down the drain, paying rent and/or lawyers, while this is happening.

Based on descriptions we've read, This is on the landlord, not on stew.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on December 17, 2019, 04:16:57 PM
certainly not blaming Stew's investors at this point. but surely someone can go out and wipe off the spray paint. i'll pitch in 10 bucks for that.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jeffsayyes on December 18, 2019, 09:08:45 AM
Go do it. No one is going to stop you
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on December 18, 2019, 09:51:37 AM
Go do it. No one is going to stop you

maybe at the beginning of the month. i'm sure cops with ticket quotas could find some reason to write one for that.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jhx on December 18, 2019, 10:54:51 PM
The upkeep of the property ultimately falls onto the landlord
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jeffsayyes on December 19, 2019, 09:38:10 AM
Go do it. No one is going to stop you

maybe at the beginning of the month. i'm sure cops with ticket quotas could find some reason to write one for that.


They won't I guarantee it. I have a feeling you won't either.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on December 19, 2019, 02:53:54 PM
i won't. i said i'd pitch in ten bucks. if you want to do it, go for it.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: rhydewithdis on February 25, 2020, 07:59:22 PM
Can't wait to try this place!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on February 25, 2020, 08:00:53 PM
Can't wait to try this place!

Post of the Decade!!

(so far)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Jhx on March 01, 2020, 12:47:14 AM
My thoughts on this? The building is in negotiation to be sold
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: KGDHP on March 02, 2020, 12:51:28 PM
My thoughts on this? The building is in negotiation to be sold

I think that seems likely. I just read somewhere else that the HSBC is moving. It's in that building complex right? Makes complete sense to me. TBH that building is SUCH a decrepit eyesore. I am not wishing for luxury condos, but I also wouldn't mind maybe a mini development for community space.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 02, 2020, 04:33:09 PM
Actually makes sense, looks like the leases are not being renewed so the building can be sold and redeveloped.

After many years of much neighborhood battling, I envisage another massive 6 story building there, exactly like further up 37th Ave.

The buildings along 37th Ave are not Historic District and so can be redeveloped is my understanding.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: KGDHP on April 15, 2020, 03:15:02 PM
Bumping this thread, because, WE NEED SOMETHING TO HOPE FOR.

Happened to see Queens Community Board 3's Agenda for this month's meeting and lo and behold...Swim Two Birds has applied for a full liquor license. So...maybe...can it be???

http://www.cb3qn.nyc.gov/calendar?c_v=evt&c_dt=2458956&c_eid=1599599&c_mid=0

Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on April 15, 2020, 04:22:38 PM
i wish people would stop necro-ing this thread.

BTW, who thinks now is an ideal time to open a restaurant?
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: KGDHP on April 15, 2020, 04:47:02 PM
i wish people would stop necro-ing this thread.

BTW, who thinks now is an ideal time to open a restaurant?

Oy, settle down. Just wanted to give the people a laugh/maybe something to look forward to. I mean clearly not the best time to open a restaurant, but hey. Once we get back to "normal" and the people want to eat out again, it actually might be the best time to open a restaurant.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on April 15, 2020, 05:15:48 PM
^gaslighting.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: KGDHP on April 15, 2020, 05:34:58 PM
^gaslighting.

Gaslighting definition: manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.

^ Are you questioning your sanity? If so, it might not be my fault. You should get that checked out! I hope all is well!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: CaptainFlannel on April 16, 2020, 04:15:06 AM
^nope, it's actually about manipulating someone to question their reality - how they perceive things, if their reactions and emotions are valid, etc. So, when you tell someone to "settle down" over a normal reaction (and in this case, a very mild one), that's a manipulation tactic to try and make them and others question if their reactions are valid. It's a classic form of emotional abuse within relationships.

In this instance, telling someone to "settle down" over saying that person wishes people would stop necro-ing a long dead topic is pretty low stakes gaslighting, but if that's how you normally treat people - dismissing and downplaying their reactions, you are a gaslighter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbVPcPL30xc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbVPcPL30xc)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: rhydewithdis on April 16, 2020, 08:34:27 AM
Bumping this thread, because, WE NEED SOMETHING TO HOPE FOR.

Happened to see Queens Community Board 3's Agenda for this month's meeting and lo and behold...Swim Two Birds has applied for a full liquor license. So...maybe...can it be???

http://www.cb3qn.nyc.gov/calendar?c_v=evt&c_dt=2458956&c_eid=1599599&c_mid=0

ha! great find. we should all join the virtual CB meeting in a show of support!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: KGDHP on April 16, 2020, 09:02:54 AM
^nope, it's actually about manipulating someone to question their reality - how they perceive things, if their reactions and emotions are valid, etc. So, when you tell someone to "settle down" over a normal reaction (and in this case, a very mild one), that's a manipulation tactic to try and make them and others question if their reactions are valid. It's a classic form of emotional abuse within relationships.

In this instance, telling someone to "settle down" over saying that person wishes people would stop necro-ing a long dead topic is pretty low stakes gaslighting, but if that's how you normally treat people - dismissing and downplaying their reactions, you are a gaslighter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbVPcPL30xc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbVPcPL30xc)

Ok sure. Whatever you say. Sorry for gaslighting you!

For the rest of the posters here who are interested: all I did was see something online that provides a REAL and FACTUAL update and post about it, partly with an intention of humor. Perhaps this is a breakthrough, perhaps it's not. Either way, hope you enjoyed this weird banter and valuable lesson about gaslighting! ;D

Anyway, I'm done here!! Thanks all!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: KGDHP on April 16, 2020, 09:06:18 AM
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ha! great find. we should all join the virtual CB meeting in a show of support!
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Thank you! Im in a neighborhood Facebook group and someone shared the agenda there. Either way, I thought it was interesting for sure since that was an application I was not expecting to see. And agree! We should tune in. Just for STB alone, I'm intrigued!!!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on April 17, 2020, 04:27:49 PM
I walked by the restaurant this afternoon and there were signs in the windows that read, "SEE U SOON."   :)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: lalochezia on April 17, 2020, 04:29:49 PM
(https://stevetobak.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/its-alive.jpg)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Sabina on April 17, 2020, 05:40:05 PM
I walked by the restaurant this afternoon and there were signs in the windows that read, "SEE U SOON."   :)

If it was that cute graffiti-tag kind of sign with a splash of pink, someone has been posting those signs all over closed businesses.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on April 17, 2020, 05:59:17 PM
yes, there are a dozen or so along lower 37th Ave.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on April 17, 2020, 10:31:27 PM
Oh well.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: rhydewithdis on April 20, 2020, 08:50:44 AM
Did anyone tune in? I did not. Wondering how it went and if Stew spoke/mentioned anything of significance.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: KGDHP on April 20, 2020, 02:29:36 PM
Did anyone tune in? I did not. Wondering how it went and if Stew spoke/mentioned anything of significance.

I didn't tune in but I watched the recap quickly (it's on Youtube). Net net - Liquor license approved.
Stew was on the line sounding ANGRY, but from what I can tell, work was started and nearly complete, but NY DOB revoked all work permits because of the tremendous amounts of violations open on the building's landlord, which he comically referred to as a Slum Lord (L O L). Personally, I hate that eyesore of a building in this neighborhood, but maybe this means we're one step closer to a new restaurant opening. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: ljr on April 20, 2020, 02:57:09 PM
Oddly enough, if it does open it may be the only restaurant left standing after the fallout of this situation! (I fervently hope not--I miss the ones that have closed at least termporarily.)
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on April 20, 2020, 03:26:27 PM
the "slum lord" comment sounds to be in character from a guy who insulted every other restaurant in the neighborhood when he was still speaking publicly.

Did anyone tune in? I did not. Wondering how it went and if Stew spoke/mentioned anything of significance.

I didn't tune in but I watched the recap quickly (it's on Youtube). Net net - Liquor license approved.
Stew was on the line sounding ANGRY, but from what I can tell, work was started and nearly complete, but NY DOB revoked all work permits because of the tremendous amounts of violations open on the building's landlord, which he comically referred to as a Slum Lord (L O L). Personally, I hate that eyesore of a building in this neighborhood, but maybe this means we're one step closer to a new restaurant opening. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: KGDHP on April 20, 2020, 04:26:45 PM
the "slum lord" comment sounds to be in character from a guy who insulted every other restaurant in the neighborhood when he was still speaking publicly.

Oh, I did not realize that at all! I think I came late to the saga and I must have missed the initial conversations. Definitely have to tell you, the anger through the Zoom call was real. Was sort of like, whoa...these are the people that ultimately have to vote yes for you. But, on the other had, I can't imagine the stress of having an investment tied up for years.

Let's just get this thing open already!
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: dssjh on April 20, 2020, 05:58:45 PM
"the arepa lady serves dreadful food.....and arepas are nothing but second rate crepes, so no knowledgeable diner would ever eat one."
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: JHResident on April 24, 2020, 09:44:07 AM
"the arepa lady serves dreadful food.....and arepas are nothing but second rate crepes, so no knowledgeable diner would ever eat one."
Lol, sounds like someone who has never eaten an arepa nor a crepe.
Title: Re: Status of Swim Two Birds Restaurant
Post by: Cassat on May 18, 2020, 12:27:24 AM
the "slum lord" comment sounds to be in character from a guy who insulted every other restaurant in the neighborhood when he was still speaking publicly.

Oh, I did not realize that at all! I think I came late to the saga and I must have missed the initial conversations. Definitely have to tell you, the anger through the Zoom call was real. Was sort of like, whoa...these are the people that ultimately have to vote yes for you. But, on the other had, I can't imagine the stress of having an investment tied up for years.

Let's just get this thing open already!

Thank you for telling us about the liquor license application KGDHP! I'm sure there is a lot for Stew to be angry about, and I'm sure we don't know the half of it. I have never given up hope on this place opening and I look forward to the day - however distant - that I will finally have a drink at that beautiful little bar I have been peering at for so long from outside.