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Title: Travers Park Update
Post by: Scott on December 04, 2016, 11:33:21 AM
City: Travers Park rebuild won't completed until 2018
NYC Parks has completed the design phase of the long-awaited Travers Park renovation about a year behind schedule, according to the Jackson Heights Post. The Travers Park reconstruction attempts to unify Travers Park, the 78th Street Pedestrian Plaza and Staunton Field into one, much-greener recreation area with a minimum of fences separating it from the surrounding streets and community.

update from JHBG
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: lmaniace on December 09, 2016, 12:03:46 PM
Unfortunately, the construction has been delayed again and now won't start until 2018. Just heard this from NYC Parks' District Manager for our area of Queens. It's supposed to be done in phases so some of the park is open at all times, but that also means the work will take longer since they are not working on all of it at once.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: MrPlaza on December 10, 2016, 02:23:01 AM
Unfortunately, the construction has been delayed again and now won't start until 2018. Just heard this from NYC Parks' District Manager for our area of Queens. It's supposed to be done in phases so some of the park is open at all times, but that also means the work will take longer since they are not working on all of it at once.
This is insanely disappointing. This rebuild was part of what our future move to JH so appealing.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: ShinjukuBaby on January 02, 2017, 07:10:08 AM
I've waited this long so I can keep waiting, but this seems crazy.  Why the delay?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: European on March 05, 2018, 03:56:47 PM
What is going on in Travers Park?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHMNY on March 05, 2018, 04:20:03 PM
What is going on in Travers Park?

The Jackson Heights Green Alliance (http://jhgreen.org/) sent out an update on the work scheduled for Travers Park back in late December, 2017.  If you click on the Alliance's link, you'll see the same content from that e-mail.  And according to the NYC Parks Department (https://www.nycgovparks.org/planning-and-building/capital-project-tracker/project/6276), the construction phase is to begin this month.

Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: jackinjh on March 05, 2018, 04:47:33 PM
There already flyers between 78th and 79th street on 34th ave regarding no parking on Sunday for farmer market.

The website estimate the construction to take 1.5 yr, hope it will be on time.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHMNY on March 05, 2018, 04:56:53 PM
And here's an update regarding the Sunday JH Greenmarket from the Jackson Heights Beautification Group:

(https://i.imgur.com/RtUS3WU.jpg)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: 80JHer on March 06, 2018, 09:20:37 AM
A year and half to just complete the green lawn? Or a year and half to do the whole thing including the new toddler playground?  How can these projects take so long?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: itsit on March 06, 2018, 03:52:57 PM
 Didn't get a photo yet but the work at Travers Park has begun! Can someone post what it looks like.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: BennyB on March 07, 2018, 12:52:34 PM
There's a backhoe sitting on the concrete near where they play volleyball
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Ed on March 07, 2018, 06:11:42 PM
A year and half to just complete the green lawn? Or a year and half to do the whole thing including the new toddler playground?  How can these projects take so long?

You know the CHEAP FAST GOOD triangle, right?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHResident on April 22, 2018, 08:27:59 PM
The Jackson Heights Post has an update on the parking renovation. Apparently the official groundbreaking wasn't until last Friday. A picture is posted in a link in the article. Looks like my tennis playing friends will lose their blacktop tennis court, and the SJA girls softball teams will need a new home. https://jacksonheightspost.com/reconstruction-of-travers-park-is-underway
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHResident on April 22, 2018, 08:29:57 PM
Park, not parking.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: 80JHer on April 23, 2018, 01:27:08 PM
I still can’t wrap my head around this taking over a year.  Won’t be complete until 2019!!    The Empire State Building was built in a year, get it done you lazy nyc unions. It’s a field and some Astro turf.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on April 23, 2018, 01:41:56 PM
It's not going to be grass?  It's going to be Astro turf?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on April 23, 2018, 01:50:31 PM
I still can’t wrap my head around this taking over a year.  Won’t be complete until 2019!!    The Empire State Building was built in a year, get it done you lazy nyc unions. It’s a field and some Astro turf.

the empire state building was built with union labor. try another insult.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: 80JHer on April 23, 2018, 03:03:42 PM
That is the insult.  The same union was able to build an iconic skyscraper in a year.  You would think 90 years later they could lay down some Astro turf and put in a grass field in significantly less time. Something is very wrong with the speed In construction these days
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Lilybell on April 23, 2018, 03:37:54 PM
Government procurement is a slow, broken process. A simple thing like one small portion of an insurance certificate expiring can cause a delay until it's renewed. There are usually multiple agencies involved, which makes things even slower. There are so many little things that cause major delays that I personally think it's a miracle any time a project gets completed. There is just so much red tape.




Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on April 23, 2018, 04:27:30 PM
agreed, Lilybell. it's the white collar paper pushers causing delays, not the unions.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: sl on April 23, 2018, 05:23:38 PM
agreed, Lilybell. it's the white collar paper pushers causing delays, not the unions.

How do you know this?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on April 23, 2018, 07:05:29 PM
i'm using the same body of evidence as the person i am debating. you look at it and decide which of us is closer to being accurate.

see also: Swim Two Birds, The Queensboro.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: petegart on April 23, 2018, 07:22:23 PM
The playground renovation that was done on 34th Ave and Junction Blvd seemed to be completed very quickly.  Every week when driving by -we would see people actively working and the final results look great.  I am optimistic that this will be finished on-time and create a park that will be used by more people.  (Fingers crossed)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: lmaniace on April 28, 2018, 01:58:14 PM
IMHO. there are lots of reasons why Travers Park reconstruction is slower than hoped for, and I don't think any of them are union related.
 First was the dispute between Park and Transportation Department over control/responsibility for play street, (which is transportation property.) That may sound silly to us, but when you have a department and a certain amount of money to spend, you don't want to get stuck with an open-ended financial liability, which brings us to the mysterious infrastructure beneath the ground that needs to be scouted out.
Also, government is slow compared to private industry because there is no need for public oversight there.
Finally there is the requirement that at least part of the park remain open throughout the reconstruction. Back in the early-mid 1990s the park was rebuilt all at once and the contractor defaulted. The park was closed for three years if I correctly recall.
 
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: luckyghost on June 01, 2018, 01:27:19 PM
a little sad to see the shape of the "great lawn" emerging and how small it's to be relative to the space they cleared... lotta new concrete replacing the old asphalt
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Lilybell on June 01, 2018, 02:07:59 PM
comment redacted due to my lack of reading comprehension... ;)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHMNY on September 17, 2018, 09:16:07 PM
Stopped by Travers Park earlier today and took photos of the work in progress:

(https://i.imgur.com/phEK9IV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dNOqWVA.jpg)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: abu benuska on January 09, 2019, 03:46:16 PM
Sad to see that half of the park looks almost done, but that construction has been essentially stopped for more than a month. Seems like they are waiting for better weather for the lawn? Is it going to be real grass? I looked up and the park won't be finished till September! Gosh, why does it take so long?

https://www.nycgovparks.org/planning-and-building/capital-project-tracker/project/6276
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: petster on January 10, 2019, 05:47:07 PM
From what I see, looks like a big improvement. If it turns out great, I don't mind the wait.  When the time comes, hope they green the Garden  School concrete jungle. Now that would be worth waiting for!
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Di_11372 on January 10, 2019, 08:31:19 PM

Looks like they could finish before the September projection. & Yes, in winter months, this type of work does pause.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: itsit on January 11, 2019, 04:08:57 PM
 It would be a travesty to keep the park closed for another summer. It looks so close to finished that seems unlikely but
no dates have been publicized for an opening in spring or summer. Lets hope something is announced soon.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: European on January 11, 2019, 04:41:51 PM
Will they also remodel children's playground or this is it?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on January 11, 2019, 04:42:48 PM
the fact that large portions are set aside for use by children is a mitigating factor. those inspections, clearances, etc. are more closely examined.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: lmaniace on January 11, 2019, 07:20:28 PM
Don't think NYC Parks ever said it was going to take less than 18 months to renovate Travers Park. The department always said they would renovate in phases so that some part of the park is *always open.
I don't see how the "Great Lawn atop Mount Jackson Heights" could possibly be open this year. The sod needs to be rolled out and have a growing season to properly root before people do what they do atop it. I don't know if that means it can open in the fall or next year.
To answer someone else's question, there is to be a completely seperate renovation of the kiddie area under a plan announced, I think, early last summer at the park. This came ab out when new funding became available.

*Back around 1994, the entire park was closed for 18 months to two years due to a problem with the contractor who had started the work and the job had to be rebid. We may justifiably complain about somethings, but NYC Parks is much better run the last couple of decades.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHMNY on January 28, 2019, 06:15:15 PM
The Jackson Heights Green Alliance has sent out an e-mail stating that the first phase of the reconstruction work at Travers Park is now open to the public. A lot of the fencing has been removed so far!

From the newsletter:

Some parts of the project including the new lawn, most of 78th St, and the Rory Staunton Field will remain closed for further work, which will be completed over the next few months.

(https://i.imgur.com/VTdhQdI.jpg)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: abcdefghijk on January 29, 2019, 03:29:44 PM
The Jackson Heights Green Alliance has sent out an e-mail stating that the first phase of the reconstruction work at Travers Park is now open to the public. A lot of the fencing has been removed so far!





Great!  :)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: msvaleriaangel on January 29, 2019, 05:30:09 PM
It looks awesome!!!
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: EmmBee on January 29, 2019, 10:57:19 PM
Can't wait to play tennis on the brand new courts!  Should be ready just in time for the weather to warm up. 
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: abu benuska on January 30, 2019, 09:52:39 PM
Even though it's cold as the north pole and it's just a part of the renovation, it's wonderful news. I want to thank everyone who worked for it. From Danny Dromm, to the folks at the Green Alliance and JHBG and the hundreds of people who had to rally to get 78th st closed for good. It's the best thing that happened to this neighborhood in a very long time.

Some of you will remember this... https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2010/05/24/jackson-heights-neighbors-band-together-to-win-car-free-street-expansion/

Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Ed on January 31, 2019, 12:51:04 PM
Does anyone know when the Farmer's Market gets to move back to the park?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: European on February 04, 2019, 10:05:27 AM
Beautiful park, but please neighbors, first thing I saw walking into the park was dogs poop! I see it all over JH, but this is new park, have some respect! If you own a dog, please CLEAN after!

Next, two boys were sitting on one of the benches next to children's playground and smoking marihuana. Everything smelled so it was really uncomfortable to stay there.

And, this new tennis court is also a dog's playground???? Because I saw so many dogs in there. I also saw people bring their dogs to children's playground, and I mean BIG dogs.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: jh35 on February 04, 2019, 10:13:36 AM
Beautiful park, but please neighbors, first thing I saw walking into the park was dogs poop! I see it all over JH, but this is new park, have some respect! If you own a dog, please CLEAN after!

Next, two boys were sitting on one of the benches next to children's playground and smoking marihuana. Everything smelled so it was really uncomfortable to stay there.

And, this new tennis court is also a dog's playground???? Because I saw so many dogs in there. I also saw people bring their dogs to children's playground, and I mean BIG dogs.

I have recently noticed more dog poop in the area. Is it a coincidence that it has happened more after Washington Plaza started allowing dogs?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: 80JHer on February 04, 2019, 10:22:02 AM
The off hours children’s playground that is somehow turned to dog run park is out of control.   

When did this become a thing?  How can we stop it?

Any thing worse then a NyC dog owner?   Even the ones that actually pick up the dog shit, don’t actually pick up  all the dog shit.  The smears covering JH and specifically the playgrounds is not just repulsive, but dangerous. 
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: itsit on February 04, 2019, 11:11:12 AM
 Sadly, there was a fight in the first week of this part of the park being opened with middle schoolers from different schools. No
serious casualties but there was a knife and a baseball bat involved. Some people did not think closing the street was a good
idea based on police getting to the area from Northern Blvd and am part of that group.Hope this was a one off problem but
am wishing for more police presence in Travers Park- even though that has opposition too. I think the open areas are a
skateboarders dream but am wondering if that was the intent? Kind of doubt it.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Matt on February 05, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
I hung out in the park for a bit on Sunday, enjoying the nice weather. The park is already so much better than it was. I'll definitely be spending more time there this year.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: abcdefghijk on February 05, 2019, 09:14:20 PM
I hung out in the park for a bit on Sunday, enjoying the nice weather. The park is already so much better than it was. I'll definitely be spending more time there this year.

Yep. Agree 100%.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Matt on February 09, 2019, 08:13:00 AM
I hung out in the park for a bit on Sunday, enjoying the nice weather. The park is already so much better than it was. I'll definitely be spending more time there this year.

Yep. Agree 100%.

I'll see you there! :)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: jaxheightzforall on February 15, 2019, 02:22:36 PM
The park looks great! Wouldn't it be amazing to have a little coffee/snack kiosk like they do in central park? How can we make this happen? :)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: jeanette on February 15, 2019, 02:25:13 PM
The park looks great! Wouldn't it be amazing to have a little coffee/snack kiosk like they do in central park? How can we make this happen? :)

I love the idea.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: European on March 01, 2019, 09:52:13 AM
This morning in the park I saw at least 10-15 dogs all over the park, some even at children's playground! When I thought it couldn't get worse there was a lady with a large dog off leash!!!

I just submitted 311 complaint, but I don't know if it will do any good.

Why don't you, dog owners, request small dog's park in Rory Staunton field, I think that would solve many issues. I was really pissed when I saw this irresponsible dog owner, talking on the phone and letting large dog running around with no leash.

With dog's poop all around JH and now this, I think we have some really bad dog owners here.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on March 01, 2019, 01:15:21 PM
The park looks great! Wouldn't it be amazing to have a little coffee/snack kiosk like they do in central park? How can we make this happen? :)

I love the idea.

if it happens,and it does sound nice, this board will be flooded with complaints about the trash generated in the form of discarded coffee cups, cake wrappers and paper plates/plastic utensils. as we've read in countless other threads, our neighbors are extremely inconsiderate with waste from street food. even if it's street food in a park.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: 80JHer on March 16, 2019, 07:50:10 PM
Who is responsible for policing travers park? Is it cops or is it park conservesy?  Of course we can’t have nice things here in JH without it getting absolutely trashed. 

1) “official” dog run in new tennis area.  Shit stain city....
2) the two ladies that block pedestrian flow with matching carts filled with crap.  Half of that crap is cheap dollar store silly string.  Which of course will last forever and is all over the park.

Who can we complain to?  Dromm, 311, 115th?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on March 16, 2019, 09:37:52 PM
i don't think cops are responsible for dog poop. not sure about vendors.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHResident on March 16, 2019, 10:31:34 PM
Not to mention that human garbage inhabiting the park after the bars close for the night. The 115 has to pay more attention to the park now that much of it is available as a hangout.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on March 17, 2019, 08:53:39 AM
is there a sign stating opening/closing hours as there is at many parks? if not, there should be, and those hours should be enforced as strictly as possible -- i'd like the park to remain clean and in good shape as well.

but since i'm rarely out wandering around at four a.m., i'm curious about the nature of this "human garbage" you've noted in the park at that hour. are they public urinators? drug dealers specializing in selling to insomniacs? skinheads looking for the next julio rivera? roving clergy on the prowl for the kids that might come to the playground a bit later?

Not to mention that human garbage inhabiting the park after the bars close for the night. The 115 has to pay more attention to the park now that much of it is available as a hangout.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHResident on March 18, 2019, 08:18:14 AM
I don't wander around that time of the morning either. Two nights last week I was awakened by fights between two groups of what sounded like drunken men celebrating the closing of the local bars by moving their party to the park benches. When I went to work at 6 AM there were still a few rowdies passing a bottle and arguing, but no longer as loud. I did notice a couple of nervous dog walkers that were closer, so they might have a better report of what went on. I don't believe these people bothered to read the sign with the hours of operation. It's a convenient place to party if you don't mind waking the neighborhood.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: European on March 18, 2019, 09:00:00 PM

2) the two ladies that block pedestrian flow with matching carts filled with crap.  Half of that crap is cheap dollar store silly string.  Which of course will last forever and is all over the park.


I just saw one of the ladies today picking up some of her stuff from the trash can, and taking it with her! It was a plastic bottle for bubbles, I think. I wouldn't want my children to touch something that is taken out of trash can. It was disgusting! I understand that people earn for living, but if you sell to children, you should have some responsibility.

Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on March 18, 2019, 09:38:20 PM
why was it in the trash can?
did someone buy it and throw it away?
how do you know she was going to re-sell it?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: European on March 19, 2019, 08:51:50 AM
why was it in the trash can?
did someone buy it and throw it away?
how do you know she was going to re-sell it?

Yes, someone throw it away. She put it among the other stuff, so I am just guessing. Maybe she wanted to recycle it, but what are the chances?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on March 19, 2019, 08:56:09 AM
why was it in the trash can?
did someone buy it and throw it away?
how do you know she was going to re-sell it?

Yes, someone throw it away. She put it among the other stuff, so I am just guessing. Maybe she wanted to recycle it, but what are the chances?

the chances are pretty low, agreed. i have a better picture now, thank you.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: EmmBee on March 19, 2019, 01:43:36 PM

1) “official” dog run in new tennis area.  Shit stain city....


Uh oh.  I was really looking forward to making good use of that court once it warms up.  Maybe there should be signage that says dogs not allowed.  Is that something for the community board?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHMNY on March 21, 2019, 09:14:44 AM
STREETSBLOG NYC:

The City Might Give Up Its Plan to Ban Cars On One Jackson Heights Street (https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2019/03/21/the-city-might-give-up-its-plan-to-ban-cars-on-a-jackson-heights-street/)

The city is abandoning a years-in-the making plan to transform a Jackson Heights street fronting a school and a park into a car-free plaza because a politically connected car-dealership recently opened a service entrance on the block — and activists are howling.

The city was planning to ban cars on the entirety of 78th Street between 34th Avenue and Northern Boulevard to create a seamless play area linking the Garden School, Travers Parks, and Staunton Field — but now it’s tweaking the design to accommodate Koeppel Mazda, which wants to use a portion of the street to move cars around. The dealership is owned by Howard Koeppel, who has long been cozy with politicians such as Mayor Giuliani and Queens power broker Joe Crowley, the former congressman.

“We are working on some minor revisions to the design … in order to provide for limited vehicular access,” said Parks Department spokeswoman Meghan Lalor. “Once those revisions are finalized, we will share them with the Community Board.”


[Click on above link for full article]
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: 80JHer on March 21, 2019, 09:53:53 AM
The dealership was going to be my other complaint, So annoying. Constantly shuffling and double parking cars in the side street.  It’s there private parking lot, paid for by my taxes.  Crooked politicians at it’s finest. That space should have been a school or new library. Not a glorified chop shop
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 21, 2019, 10:09:34 AM
Well, folks and politicians managed to stop Amazon.

AOC has her office now in Jackson Heights. Let's see if she and the rest of our community can stop real corruption in own backyard.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on March 21, 2019, 10:16:17 AM
well, Crowley's gone, Giuliani is too busy trying to keep his boss out of prison, so who knows how much good they can do these days.....
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Jhx on March 23, 2019, 12:04:36 AM
No prison, it’s been proven, no collusion. What’s next?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on March 23, 2019, 02:04:20 PM
Southern district. the whole family, aside from Tiffany, who's the one feeding all the inside info to prosecutors.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Shelby2 on March 23, 2019, 02:07:13 PM
Let's keep this on topic (Travers Park).
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on March 23, 2019, 03:38:34 PM
sorry, was thrown off by someone -- i forget who -- rambling about AOC and corruption.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: abcdefghijk on March 23, 2019, 03:53:19 PM
sorry, was thrown off by someone -- i forget who -- rambling about AOC and corruption.

Interesting logic. Blaming others for your choices.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Shelby2 on March 23, 2019, 05:05:13 PM
sorry, was thrown off by someone -- i forget who -- rambling about AOC and corruption.

Interesting logic. Blaming others for your choices.

This post is also off topic. Please stick to topic or thread will be locked.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: European on April 03, 2019, 09:45:10 PM
Anyone know what happened today at Travers park with police and ambulance coming? I saw few kids playing on a tennis court when two men with two aggressive dogs came, one dog was biting pants of one of the men. When police came one man (on 77th street) was taken by ambulance and they didn't even talk to the guy with the dogs. He was then laughing when they just went through the park not caring about anything!

If anyone knows what happened, please share. I thought it was great to finally see kids playing on the court instead of dogs, but it didn't last long. I complained to 311 but I guess no one cares.

Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Dudley on April 10, 2019, 09:35:45 PM
FYI:

(https://i.imgur.com/g1b5NPk.png)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: jh35 on April 11, 2019, 09:21:58 AM
FYI:

(https://i.imgur.com/g1b5NPk.png)

This is so tiresome compared to the real problems we have.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on April 11, 2019, 11:13:40 AM
on a purely economic level, i'd suggest those on the side of the dealership fund the driveway out of their own pockets, leaving taxpayers out of it.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: stevn on April 11, 2019, 11:34:16 AM
on a purely economic level, i'd suggest those on the side of the dealership fund the driveway out of their own pockets, leaving taxpayers out of it.

I'm not understanding your logic here. Do you oppose all access to the public streets for businesses? How about private homes?

Looking at it another way, are you taking up a collection to compensate the dealership for loss of use of their driveway?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Paul11372 on April 11, 2019, 01:19:50 PM
on a purely economic level, i'd suggest those on the side of the dealership fund the driveway out of their own pockets, leaving taxpayers out of it.


So you are for the average Tax payer not having to fund things they find silly, dumb, wrong or immoral?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on April 11, 2019, 02:44:47 PM
are you suggesting every business should get handouts from the taxpayer every time that business asks? those bills are going to mount pretty quickly.

why even have the park at all? just let a car dealer buy the land at a deep discount and use it as that dealer sees fit.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Paul11372 on April 11, 2019, 02:56:39 PM
are you suggesting every business should get handouts from the taxpayer every time that business asks? those bills are going to mount pretty quickly.

why even have the park at all? just let a car dealer buy the land at a deep discount and use it as that dealer sees fit.


I posed a ? and nothing more. LoL Please dont get triggered

Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on April 11, 2019, 03:11:58 PM
are you suggesting every business should get handouts from the taxpayer every time that business asks? those bills are going to mount pretty quickly.

why even have the park at all? just let a car dealer buy the land at a deep discount and use it as that dealer sees fit.

i was responding to buy a vowel boy, not you.

speaking of triggered.


I posed a ? and nothing more. LoL Please dont get triggered
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Paul11372 on April 11, 2019, 03:23:51 PM
are you suggesting every business should get handouts from the taxpayer every time that business asks? those bills are going to mount pretty quickly.

why even have the park at all? just let a car dealer buy the land at a deep discount and use it as that dealer sees fit.

i was responding to buy a vowel boy, not you.

Boy? Girls? what is this 1950? gender is fluid silly.

speaking of triggered.


I posed a ? and nothing more. LoL Please dont get triggered
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: stevn on April 11, 2019, 09:13:34 PM
are you suggesting every business should get handouts from the taxpayer every time that business asks? those bills are going to mount pretty quickly.

why even have the park at all? just let a car dealer buy the land at a deep discount and use it as that dealer sees fit.

i was responding to buy a vowel boy, not you.

speaking of triggered.


I posed a ? and nothing more. LoL Please dont get triggered

"Vowel boy" here. Actually I posed a question to you. You responded with nonsensical hyperbole.

Let's just make everyone happy. Keep the dealership driveway. Turn 78th between the Jersey barrier and Northern Blvd into an off-leash dog run.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on April 12, 2019, 11:41:46 AM
i apologize for the snide reference. spending too much time on the internet these days.

sane neighborhoods are removing cars from parks -- from prospect to central. it baffles me that there are those who have such disdain for this neighborhood that they'd cut into the one tiny swath of park we're getting -- and pay for the destruction out of my pocket.

at least the major developers in manhattan throw some crumbs to the unwashed rabble there. what will you and i, the unwashed rabble of jackson heights, get from Koeppel?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: jh35 on April 12, 2019, 12:36:25 PM
i apologize for the snide reference. spending too much time on the internet these days.

sane neighborhoods are removing cars from parks -- from prospect to central. it baffles me that there are those who have such disdain for this neighborhood that they'd cut into the one tiny swath of park we're getting -- and pay for the destruction out of my pocket.

at least the major developers in manhattan throw some crumbs to the unwashed rabble there. what will you and i, the unwashed rabble of jackson heights, get from Koeppel?

Please stop exaggerating. The cars are not driving into the park. Just get a concrete divider at the end of the street and move on. Talk about the Queensboro again.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on April 12, 2019, 01:09:04 PM
perhaps you should refrain from telling people what to talk about.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Paul11372 on April 12, 2019, 01:56:55 PM
are you suggesting every business should get handouts from the taxpayer every time that business asks? those bills are going to mount pretty quickly.

why even have the park at all? just let a car dealer buy the land at a deep discount and use it as that dealer sees fit.

Is the car dealer looking to expand their existing, pre Rory Stanton Field Size (RIP)? Or no?

Did you make a wholly disingenuous argument above? playing loose with the facts to support your own ideology?


What is Koppel attempting to "Buy" at a discount from the Tax Payer?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: jh35 on April 12, 2019, 01:59:59 PM
perhaps you should refrain from telling people what to talk about.

I was joking and suggesting another topic that has been become discussed to death.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on April 12, 2019, 02:26:15 PM
are you suggesting every business should get handouts from the taxpayer every time that business asks? those bills are going to mount pretty quickly.

why even have the park at all? just let a car dealer buy the land at a deep discount and use it as that dealer sees fit.

Is the car dealer looking to expand their existing, pre Rory Stanton Field Size (RIP)? Or no?

Did you make a wholly disingenuous argument above? playing loose with the facts to support your own ideology?


What is Koppel attempting to "Buy" at a discount from the Tax Payer?

the park plan is being changed.

for Koeppel's private use.

that's a "perk" that i wouldn't get if i were a homeowner.

Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: odyshape on April 12, 2019, 04:02:13 PM
perhaps you should refrain from telling people what to talk about.

I was joking and suggesting another topic that has been become discussed to death.

I am very confused why you are so critical of the people here who want this street gone. I understand you believe there are larger concerns in this neighborhood (and world) and that you personally would direct your energy elsewhere. But the people here who are advocating for the removal are entitled to their own priorities. You fail to make comments other than ad hominem attacks. It is very condescending and says a lot about you.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: jhjefe on April 12, 2019, 11:06:14 PM
perhaps you should refrain from telling people what to talk about.

I was joking and suggesting another topic that has been become discussed to death.

Why?  Start a topic you’re interested.  Stay away from the ones you are not.  So easy.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: itsit on April 14, 2019, 12:21:52 PM
 There are two sides -or opinions here - and it would be in the best interest of the community if two sides were able to be heard
here. Why can the discussion be civil with both sides able to present their views? Different points of view shouldn't be so
threatening really.
  It's not clear cut at all.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: the80s on April 16, 2019, 12:09:51 PM
City officials were AWOL at an overflow town hall meeting in Jackson Heights on Monday night, when dozens of residents demanded the city keep its promise to transform a single local street into a car-free plaza — a years-in-the-making plan that’s now in jeopardy so a politically connected car dealer can use a portion of the street near deadly Northern Boulevard.


Full story:
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2019/04/16/the-city-was-a-no-show-at-monday-nights-massive-jackson-heights-town-hall/
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: queenskid2 on April 16, 2019, 12:29:33 PM




the park plan is being changed.

for Koeppel's private use.

that's a "perk" that i wouldn't get if i were a homeowner.



As I asked in another post, hasn't that service entrance been there for decades?  Do you think the city has the right to permanently take away the garage entrance for a business or a private home.  Does the car dealership have an alternative entrance it can use?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: c11732 on April 20, 2019, 01:50:19 PM
The only reason the idea of a street closure is possible is because there are no houses.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: francis on April 20, 2019, 05:58:04 PM
Too bad they didn't buy the land from the dealership and extend the park to the  end of the block.  That would have made the most sense.  It is, however, a business, so while I too would like a car free zone ( I'd like to see one on all of 74 street and 82 street as well) I really don't think people should be complaining about it at this point.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: toque198 on April 20, 2019, 10:01:03 PM
I'm really confused about all of this "closed street" discussion

It only focuses on the Mazda dealership.

Garden School has six garages beyond the existing concrete barrier.

Are they going to be "repurposed" or no longer exist?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: hfm on April 21, 2019, 04:06:06 PM
There are two sides -or opinions here - and it would be in the best interest of the community if two sides were able to be heard
here. Why can the discussion be civil with both sides able to present their views? Different points of view shouldn't be so
threatening really.
  It's not clear cut at all.

Because people have their views, people in general are so afraid of being wrong that they will sometimes do things against their own interests in the pursuit of making sure whatever agenda or team they are on is always right. Even if they can take a moment to critically think about it the fear of being wrong means they don't act on it and continue down the road they are on until the end or until it unquestionably affects them negatively enough to have to bail.

There's been a whole lot of this the last 3 years.

Changing someone mind about something, especially on the internet, is folly. It take sitting down and asking rational question after question and making people defend their view.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Jhx on April 21, 2019, 05:18:24 PM
The curb cut for a driveway still exists from the previous building. So I think the dealership was built with the premise of using the existing driveway. Did the original plan for the park contain the driveway? It certainly was a lovely day for a walk in the park.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHResident on April 21, 2019, 08:04:48 PM
  Why can't the discussion be civil with both sides able to present their views?
Because internet.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on April 21, 2019, 08:48:59 PM
i think it happens most often when there's a small number of dissenting opinions -- and i don't think that makes it right by any means. i mean, i've been shouted down and insulted in old threads where i suggested that living near an airport might lead to experiencing airplane noise on occasion. so i stopped making that off-the-wall suggestion. everyone should offer their opinion without fear of being insulted. arguing the other side, robustly, on the other hand, is fine.

 
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: stevn on April 21, 2019, 10:19:16 PM
I'm really confused about all of this "closed street" discussion

It only focuses on the Mazda dealership.

Garden School has six garages beyond the existing concrete barrier.

Are they going to be "repurposed" or no longer exist?

This is a good point. For all the talk of "the city's 2015 plan," there's nothing more than some drawings. If the owner of the Koeppel property and the Garden school were willing to relinquish their access to their respective garages, I doubt they would do so without compensation. In any event, something would have to be in writing. If the 2015 plan was supposed to be iron-clad, then the agreements with these property owners would certainly help the cause.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: lmaniace on April 22, 2019, 09:12:14 AM
As a long-time park and environmental sustainability advocate, I'm a little conflicted about this matter.
If were starting from scratch on that site, I would prefer all of 78th Street to be closed down for the park. As someone who was involved in the park expansion from the beginning, I'm kind of mystified by the changes here. I remember that the the Garden School and the car dealership, originally Queensboro Toyota, would have access to the northern most segment of the street. Clearly something changed and the entire street was to become parkland. And then it wasn't.
I think we need to remember that Jackson Heights and it's organizations won a huge victory to expand and recreate the park. I'm concerned that closing the northern-most end of 78th Street would cause an undo burden for the school and car dealership that will not provide a substantial benefit.
This is not to criticize those working to extend the park all the way to Northern Boulevard, but personally I think we'd be better off spending our energies looking for new park/open space in Jackson Heights; opportunities to make our neighborhood more environmentally sustainable, AND  helping NYC Parks maintain Travers Park.
JHBG's Friends of Travers Park is revving up again after the park's two year shutdown. If you are interested in participating in Friends of Travers Park, contact me at lenmaniace@gmail.com with FOTP in the subject line, Thank you.
And Happy Earth Day!

 
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: European on May 07, 2019, 01:05:14 PM
Green lawn is now officially open and it's beautiful!
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 07, 2019, 01:08:13 PM
Green lawn is now officially open and it's beautiful!

Sweet!
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHMNY on May 07, 2019, 02:00:48 PM
Green lawn is now officially open and it's beautiful!

Yes! It looks great!

(https://i.imgur.com/aawJiT4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EFQm503.jpg)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: odyshape on May 07, 2019, 03:05:43 PM
Oh man, already ruined by those pesky cars...
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: spooky on May 07, 2019, 03:26:04 PM
Oh man, already ruined by those pesky cars...

you should have photoshopped a MAZDA!
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: odyshape on May 07, 2019, 03:51:40 PM
Oh man, already ruined by those pesky cars...

you should have photoshopped a MAZDA!

You're right! I should have workshopped this idea first.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Dudley on May 10, 2019, 12:56:39 PM
Oh man, already ruined by those pesky cars...

you should have photoshopped a MAZDA!

You're right! I should have workshopped this idea first.

 ;D ;D ;D

I love it.

And on that note, please come to the rally tomorrow at 2PM to keep the pressure on the city to fulfill their promise to Jackson Heights!

(https://i.imgur.com/RM7sWnh.jpg)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHMNY on May 12, 2019, 03:17:30 PM
CBS News has a follow-up story on yesterday's protest at Travers Park:

Queens Community Outraged After Car Dealership Gets Service Road Through Promised Park Project (https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/05/11/queens-community-outraged-after-car-dealership-gets-service-road-through-promised-park-project/)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: jh35 on May 12, 2019, 04:00:27 PM
CBS News has a follow-up story on yesterday's protest at Travers Park:

Queens Community Outraged After Car Dealership Gets Service Road Through Promised Park Project (https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/05/11/queens-community-outraged-after-car-dealership-gets-service-road-through-promised-park-project/)

I did not realize they had built (or renovated) such a modern, decent building there. Maybe you could make a go fund me page to buy it since it means so much to you.  After all, it is for the safety of your children.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: itsit on May 12, 2019, 04:37:44 PM
 Once again, it should be stated that some of the community is outraged but certainly not all. Many of us know that this
street inset was the plan all along. The early draft doesn't show that but was loudly critiqued for NOT showing it and a
revision was promised.This is why the street looks as it does today with a modern building in the car dealership built
in front of peoples eyes for months. Why? Because this was the plan all along. And to vilify those involved and say how
much they (protestors) want every piece of park land promised...is revisionist history. There is a vocal mob rule feel here
but it is not representative of many who are happy with the park now and realize what went into negotiating for it to
happen in the first place.

  Take a clear look at both sides if you want to be a fair and impartial judge. A number of long time Travers Park advocates
are not - repeat not- on the side of the protestors as they know the back story.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on May 12, 2019, 05:29:02 PM
do you work for this dealership? or any of the others?

simple yes or no will be fine.

thanks.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: jh35 on May 12, 2019, 05:34:49 PM
do you work for this dealership? or any of the others?

simple yes or no will be fine.

thanks.

who?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on May 12, 2019, 05:54:42 PM
i was asking Itsit, who is the most vocal proponent of having people drive through the park.

but if you'd like to answer, you're welcome to.

do you work for this dealership? or any of the others?

simple yes or no will be fine.

thanks.

who?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: 80JHer on May 12, 2019, 07:44:36 PM
Haha ... what travers park advocates are on the side of a car dealership vs more park space.   Who even wants a car dearlship in the hood?  They take up tons of parking and illegal park all over an overcrowded northern making driving sight-lines more dangerous.  They never get ticketed.

In fact that road in question is a no parking or stoping anytime. They always have cars parked illegally on the street.  No tickets.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Shelby2 on May 12, 2019, 07:59:02 PM
Once again, it should be stated that some of the community is outraged but certainly not all. Many of us know that this
street inset was the plan all along. The early draft doesn't show that but was loudly critiqued for NOT showing it and a
revision was promised.This is why the street looks as it does today with a modern building in the car dealership built
in front of peoples eyes for months. Why? Because this was the plan all along. And to vilify those involved and say how
much they (protestors) want every piece of park land promised...is revisionist history. There is a vocal mob rule feel here
but it is not representative of many who are happy with the park now and realize what went into negotiating for it to
happen in the first place.

  Take a clear look at both sides if you want to be a fair and impartial judge. A number of long time Travers Park advocates
are not - repeat not- on the side of the protestors as they know the back story.

You should watch this 10 minute clip of Councilman Dromm confronting the DOT Commissioner. https://www.facebook.com/WillSweeneyNYC/posts/10155995981302714

Dromm seems to know the back story very well.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 12, 2019, 08:24:57 PM
Once again, it should be stated that some of the community is outraged but certainly not all. Many of us know that this
street inset was the plan all along. The early draft doesn't show that but was loudly critiqued for NOT showing it and a
revision was promised.This is why the street looks as it does today with a modern building in the car dealership built
in front of peoples eyes for months. Why? Because this was the plan all along. And to vilify those involved and say how
much they (protestors) want every piece of park land promised...is revisionist history. There is a vocal mob rule feel here
but it is not representative of many who are happy with the park now and realize what went into negotiating for it to
happen in the first place.

  Take a clear look at both sides if you want to be a fair and impartial judge. A number of long time Travers Park advocates
are not - repeat not- on the side of the protestors as they know the back story.

You should watch this 10 minute clip of Councilman Dromm confronting the DOT Commissioner. https://www.facebook.com/WillSweeneyNYC/posts/10155995981302714

Dromm seems to know the back story very well.

Thanks for this. Finally a modicum of clarity. The dealership/building owner originally agreed to the park design and then changed his mind about using the 78th street entrance half way through the park renovation. After their own renovation I figure.

It is a legal matter I guess. And will need to be fought in court.

Did the Park Dept get the original acquiescence in writing?

I hope so.







Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on May 12, 2019, 08:30:02 PM
it's a question of who was doing the negotiating, really. the current dealership moved to this location from a location further down Northern Boulevard just a few months ago -- well after the park build-out had begun.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Shelby2 on May 12, 2019, 10:26:11 PM
I just watched it again. It seems like a major failure on the part of Parks and DOT. The DOT Commissioner said "we thought the curb cut was dormant" -- I'm sorry, but they saw the curb cut was there and thought it was dormant? Isn't this what lawyers are for in the first place? They should have ensured it was permanently dormant. I completely understand why Dromm and the Green Alliance are furious.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 12, 2019, 11:13:19 PM
I just watched it again. It seems like a major failure on the part of Parks and DOT. The DOT Commissioner said "we thought the curb cut was dormant" -- I'm sorry, but they saw the curb cut was there and thought it was dormant? Isn't this what lawyers are for in the first place? They should have ensured it was permanently dormant. I completely understand why Dromm and the Green Alliance are furious.

So you are saying that the Dept of Parks and Dept of Transport  THOUGHT the owner of the building wasn't using the curb cut. But they never bothered to verify the situation?

Alas, that doesn't bode well for keeping the Northern Bld end of 78th St as a park...

Is it incompetence that they are trying to hide that stems from the planning stage?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Shelby2 on May 12, 2019, 11:15:50 PM
I just watched it again. It seems like a major failure on the part of Parks and DOT. The DOT Commissioner said "we thought the curb cut was dormant" -- I'm sorry, but they saw the curb cut was there and thought it was dormant? Isn't this what lawyers are for in the first place? They should have ensured it was permanently dormant. I completely understand why Dromm and the Green Alliance are furious.

So you are saying that the Dept of Parks and Dept of Transport  THOUGHT the owner of the building wasn't using the curb cut. But they never bothered to verify the situation?

Alas, that doesn't bode well for keeping the Northern Bld end of 78th St as a park...

City incompetence that they are trying to hide that stems from the planning stage?

That's what I gathered from the 10 minute clip. What did you think when you watched it?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 12, 2019, 11:19:27 PM
I just watched it again. It seems like a major failure on the part of Parks and DOT. The DOT Commissioner said "we thought the curb cut was dormant" -- I'm sorry, but they saw the curb cut was there and thought it was dormant? Isn't this what lawyers are for in the first place? They should have ensured it was permanently dormant. I completely understand why Dromm and the Green Alliance are furious.

So you are saying that the Dept of Parks and Dept of Transport  THOUGHT the owner of the building wasn't using the curb cut. But they never bothered to verify the situation?

Alas, that doesn't bode well for keeping the Northern Bld end of 78th St as a park...

City incompetence that they are trying to hide that stems from the planning stage?

That's what I gathered from the 10 minute clip. What did you think when you watched it?

I thought the woman from DOT was dissembling.  (Concealing the true situation)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: itsit on May 14, 2019, 08:27:36 AM
Questions to ask of this discussion thread:
- If this protest were to take place in July, how many of the people that were there would be
   vacationing elsewhere and how many of the people in the park at that time would want that
   street inset closed? I suspect you would have a vastly different answer. The inset has been
   used as I have seen it for PreK drop offs, NYC Dept of Parks workers, NYPD and others who
   need to pull of Northern Blvd as well as the dealership. There is a sizable group who oppose
   closing this street and as they are not running for office, they would like to see this stay
   functioning as is. They also remember times when the park was not so safe and that police
   access, particularly on hot summer nights, was wanted. Many of my friends and their children
   have had "incidents" of some degree in the park. Theft, assault, verbal abuse, etc and as
   most users know, there is little oversight within the park. This is only one of many reasons
   that people like this inset available- safety.

- Who/what aspects of the community are represented here? The people who live on 77th street
   buildings and will be tremendously effected? Rainbowland Nursery School? Bus riders on
   Northern Blvd? The huge amount of school children on 77th, 78th, 79th and 80th streets?
   The many teachers who are commuting from out of the neighborhood to this area which
   has long been used by a number of schools for little kids to 12th grade? The big answer is
   the majority of those opposing here are only focused on getting this teeny tiny weird space
  (two big walls and a street on 3 sides space) for the park. Whoever thinks this wouldn't
   immediately become a  sports venue (makeshift soccer/cricket field)  hasn't been at Travers Park
   at 4:00 on a stinking hot Saturday in July. And who in their right mind would add to the
   traffic on 79th street on a school day? Have you ever been there when school lets out?
   We need every possible outlet at that time.

 - Why is all the lead focus on these few sq yards of 78th Street on Koeppel? Because of the profile
    they have and yes, I have bought cars at Koeppel, as have so many of my neighbors which
    is why they have the successful business they do here. And they have lawyers that the
    renters on 77th street won't be able to afford as their street would be adversely affected
    by this change too. Do not work there but like them as a business- which like others in
    the vicinity are dealerships, schools, drugstores, restaurants, convenience stores, etc. who
    pay taxes which make things like parks more viable on top of our real estate and sales taxes.
    As Koeppel's is a gay-owned business in a diverse neighborhood and a business that has
    been HUGELY supportive of neighborhood activities, I think that the attack on them is not
    civil. It smacks of someone with a thin resume who needs to pad it somehow and has picked
    this as a "W" to put beside their name.

   Hopefully, we will have many people who are planning to run for Danny Dromm's seat
   and they will treat all of the residents and businesses whose lives and livelihoods are
   changed by neighborhood projects, not just those who are fully "networked" as the
   one side. Be civil. Hear all sides of the story. Be on the ground asking peoples opinions
   and knock on doors of all the locals. This is two sided debate and wish both sides would be
   respected here. This goes for the DOT, Danny's office and Parks.

    Encouraging lots of new candidates here to run for Councilman!!
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: abcdefghijk on May 14, 2019, 09:19:08 AM
The controversial space is about as big as Diversity Plaza.

In a neighborhood that is renown to have almost the least open park space in all of NYC for over 100,000 inhabitants... every square inch counts.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on May 14, 2019, 10:34:48 AM
i'm still curious about what, if any, financial interest ItsIt has in this matter.

and, yes, a multitude of candidates should come forward. we've had a wonderful rep in Danny Dromm (who's far more receptive to the community than recent predecessors were) and i hope that run continues with whoever is elected next.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JK resident on May 14, 2019, 11:00:57 AM
Dromm comes across as a big idiot bully who obviously has no understanding of property rights. That curb cut is in front of a wide garage door that enters a service garage. Toyota used to use it and they moved a few blocks away. So the service center was closed till Mazda reopened it. There are many hydraulic lifts installed behind those doors. It is a approved DOB driveway for over 50 years. The NYC DOT knew that it was because they left the street there. The city should of contacted the owner of the property and bought his rights to use his curb cut and garage access. This would need to be in writing and recorded. Then the city could remove the curb. Dromm states openly “take it and let them sue the city to try to take it back”. He is advocating the government seizure of land without any compensation. That is what was done in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. That land will be worth much less without that crucial side entrance for the service department. Clearly this land is worth over $10 million. I believe this whole controversy is over a small section of street that should remain as it is. This street also allows cars to safely move off Northern Blvd for dropping off children. It is really a shame that our elected official is nothing more than a mindless tyrant.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: odyshape on May 14, 2019, 11:20:34 AM
 ::)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on May 14, 2019, 11:38:13 AM
https://youtu.be/JohGniYph-c

 
Dromm comes across as a big idiot bully who obviously has no understanding of property rights. That curb cut is in front of a wide garage door that enters a service garage. Toyota used to use it and they moved a few blocks away. So the service center was closed till Mazda reopened it. There are many hydraulic lifts installed behind those doors. It is a approved DOB driveway for over 50 years. The NYC DOT knew that it was because they left the street there. The city should of contacted the owner of the property and bought his rights to use his curb cut and garage access. This would need to be in writing and recorded. Then the city could remove the curb. Dromm states openly “take it and let them sue the city to try to take it back”. He is advocating the government seizure of land without any compensation. That is what was done in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. That land will be worth much less without that crucial side entrance for the service department. Clearly this land is worth over $10 million. I believe this whole controversy is over a small section of street that should remain as it is. This street also allows cars to safely move off Northern Blvd for dropping off children. It is really a shame that our elected official is nothing more than a mindless tyrant.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JK resident on May 14, 2019, 02:19:56 PM
Dromm, “I don’t care, let’s just close the street permanently and let the wealthy property owner sue us!”

In what Democratic country is this ever an option?

A judge will stop the DOT from doing that.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Jhx on May 19, 2019, 11:53:46 AM
I noticed the owners of this dealership are illegally storing their cars in front of their property. The law is pretty clear on this. I would be more concerned about safety with them  DRIVING ON THE ACTUAL SIDEWALK TO STORE THEIR CARS, than the legal driveway they use. Has anyone called 311 to report this illegal situation? I have, but the more calls, the more enforcement.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on May 19, 2019, 12:09:07 PM
Dromm, “I don’t care, let’s just close the street permanently and let the wealthy property owner sue us!”

In what Democratic country is this ever an option?

A judge will stop the DOT from doing that.

it's worked again and again over the decades, like the demapping of a slew of streets that helped build the original WTC, the removal of a dozen or so lower east side streets to build public housing....the use of eminent domain to take over private property for use by for profit entities like sports teams.....
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: CaptainFlannel on May 19, 2019, 03:02:09 PM
^the annexation of Hawaii as a U.S. territory after U.S. business interests lead a bloodless coup of the monarchy. Democracies are if nothing, always ethical.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHResident on May 19, 2019, 04:14:22 PM
Let's be serious. The garage exit poses no threat to children playing in the park. This used to be a much more heavily trafficked street before the park took over the rest of the street. I don't recall there being any problems then. Why make a big deal of it now? I'm more concerned with the loss of the playing field. We used to have tennis, softball, soccer and cricket (sometimes all at the same time) in addition to the soccer games in The Garden School's schoolyard. Plus roller hockey years ago. Now just tag and Frisbee, I guess.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: jackinjh on May 28, 2019, 04:11:31 PM
The dealer also have entrance to the building on the 77th st end, why not just use that instead of bunch of parked cars facing along the entire 77th st end.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Ed on May 28, 2019, 06:03:15 PM
On the other hand, it was nice spending an hour or so yesterday on one of the new benches seeing families, groups, individuals, couples (old and young) representing pretty much every demographic in the neighborhood out and enjoying the day.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: r on June 05, 2019, 03:26:12 AM
Too bad they didn't buy the land from the dealership and extend the park to the  end of the block.  That would have made the most sense.

Maybe, but having a park right next to Northern Boulevard doesn't sound very safe. The dealership currently provides a kind of shield from Northern Boulevard, in a way.

Although Koeppel should really give up on their ridiculous second entrance, it seems to be making them very unpopular with the community. I'm surprised that their Yelp reviews haven't already cratered.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: jh35 on June 05, 2019, 08:35:06 AM
Too bad they didn't buy the land from the dealership and extend the park to the  end of the block.  That would have made the most sense.

Maybe, but having a park right next to Northern Boulevard doesn't sound very safe. The dealership currently provides a kind of shield from Northern Boulevard, in a way.

Although Koeppel should really give up on their ridiculous second entrance, it seems to be making them very unpopular with the community. I'm surprised that their Yelp reviews haven't already cratered.

If people are so afraid of the cars on that street using the driveway (as opposed to every other driveway in the neighborhood) why not block that side of the street with a concrete barrier at the park entrance so that people can only walk on the other side of the street near the school?

Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on June 05, 2019, 10:00:13 AM
"every other driveway in the neighborhood" doesn't impact a park. if you're going to troll, think it through.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 05, 2019, 10:49:09 AM
The Highline has just opened its newest section, the Spur.

That's the solution for Travers Park. A raised section for folks over the road. Just like in Hudson Yards!

And then the cars can continue to drive underneath...and we can enjoy more park.

http://gothamist.com/2019/06/04/high_above_high_line_spur.php

So there is a way out of this conundrum. Albeit an expensive one.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: jh35 on June 05, 2019, 12:30:49 PM
"every other driveway in the neighborhood" doesn't impact a park. if you're going to troll, think it through.

I did. Walk on the other side of the street.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on June 05, 2019, 02:46:09 PM
the footbridge idea is not a bad one, but it would put people using it onto property owned by the dealer, wouldn't it?

will they want trespassers coming and going at all times?
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHALUM on June 05, 2019, 11:31:53 PM
This is a rant  and I'm sure nobody cares except people who have lived in the area for many years but I hate it  when people call it Travers Park.  In the 1970's, 1980's and early 1990's most residents called it 77th street park and some called it 78th street park.  I don't think many people from this era ever heard of the name Travers Park
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Hagop on June 06, 2019, 10:00:38 AM
This is a rant  and I'm sure nobody cares except people who have lived in the area for many years but I hate it  when people call it Travers Park.  In the 1970's, 1980's and early 1990's most residents called it 77th street park and some called it 78th street park.  I don't think many people from this era ever heard of the name Travers Park

Out of curiosity, why do you hate it?
The park was named for Travers in 1958, so it's not a new distinction regardless of whether people commonly used the name or not. But curious to know why it sparks such a reaction.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: JHALUM on June 06, 2019, 11:25:11 PM
This is a rant  and I'm sure nobody cares except people who have lived in the area for many years but I hate it  when people call it Travers Park.  In the 1970's, 1980's and early 1990's most residents called it 77th street park and some called it 78th street park.  I don't think many people from this era ever heard of the name Travers Park

Out of curiosity, why do you hate it?
The park was named for Travers in 1958, so it's not a new distinction regardless of whether people commonly used the name or not. But curious to know why it sparks such a reaction.

I understand if people disagree with me but 77th street park gives you a sense of the location and it makes more sense.  I emailed an old friend today and asked him if he had good memories of hanging out in Travers Park and he told me he never heard of that name despite hanging out in the park many years.

Here are a few more examples where I hate the new names.

It will always be 6th Vvenue to me never Avenue of the Americas
It is the Triboro Bridge not the RFK Bridge
It is the Interboro Parkway not the Jackie Robinson Parkway

The Triboro described the  the bridge connecting  three boroughs and and the Interboro told you it was a road connecting two boroughs.

I  almost never take the Tappan Zee Bridge but to me  that will also never be the Mario Cuomo Bridge
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 07, 2019, 09:26:16 AM
I guess, in the olden days,  folks also weren't happy when New Amsterdam changed its name to New York.

Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: dssjh on June 07, 2019, 09:38:54 AM
at least this change was non-violent (i'm guessing). :)
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: theplanesland on June 07, 2019, 01:40:56 PM
I guess, in the olden days,  folks also weren't happy when New Amsterdam changed its name to New York.

Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Oh Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night
Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
So, Take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Oh Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Hagop on June 07, 2019, 06:48:17 PM
This is a rant  and I'm sure nobody cares except people who have lived in the area for many years but I hate it  when people call it Travers Park.  In the 1970's, 1980's and early 1990's most residents called it 77th street park and some called it 78th street park.  I don't think many people from this era ever heard of the name Travers Park

Out of curiosity, why do you hate it?
The park was named for Travers in 1958, so it's not a new distinction regardless of whether people commonly used the name or not. But curious to know why it sparks such a reaction.

I understand if people disagree with me but 77th street park gives you a sense of the location and it makes more sense.  I emailed an old friend today and asked him if he had good memories of hanging out in Travers Park and he told me he never heard of that name despite hanging out in the park many years.

Here are a few more examples where I hate the new names.

It will always be 6th Vvenue to me never Avenue of the Americas
It is the Triboro Bridge not the RFK Bridge
It is the Interboro Parkway not the Jackie Robinson Parkway

The Triboro described the  the bridge connecting  three boroughs and and the Interboro told you it was a road connecting two boroughs.

I  almost never take the Tappan Zee Bridge but to me  that will also never be the Mario Cuomo Bridge

Ha! I don't think I've ever heard anybody actually use "Avenue of the Americas". 
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: jeanette on June 08, 2019, 07:02:29 PM
This is a rant  and I'm sure nobody cares except people who have lived in the area for many years but I hate it  when people call it Travers Park.  In the 1970's, 1980's and early 1990's most residents called it 77th street park and some called it 78th street park.  I don't think many people from this era ever heard of the name Travers Park


I understand if people disagree with me but 77th street park gives you a sense of the location and it makes more sense.  I emailed an old friend today and asked him if he had good memories of hanging out in Travers Park and he told me he never heard of that name despite hanging out in the park many years.

Here are a few more examples where I hate the new names.

It will always be 6th Vvenue to me never Avenue of the Americas
It is the Triboro Bridge not the RFK Bridge
It is the Interboro Parkway not the Jackie Robinson Parkway

The Triboro described the  the bridge connecting  three boroughs and and the Interboro told you it was a road connecting two boroughs.

I  almost never take the Tappan Zee Bridge but to me  that will also never be the Mario Cuomo Bridge

People actually used to get where they're going without GPS. I remember getting lost driving in the Bronx and found my way home using common sense and situational cues like you describe. Thanks for the memories.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: M7X7 on June 10, 2019, 02:12:49 PM
and the Interboro told you it was a road connecting two boroughs.


That one, at least, is not terribly descriptive. Many roads "connect two boroughs." It was weird that a specific road had such a generic proper name.
Title: Re: Travers Park Update
Post by: Hagop on June 16, 2019, 03:18:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lENDg6G.jpg?1)

"no stopping anytime"

Not just an entrance. Now also a parking lot.

And so it begins...