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Title: Sac's Pizza
Post by: Jeffsayyes on July 02, 2016, 05:39:34 AM
Big deal for pizza in the neighborhood --- Sac's of Astoria is coming to JH. They will have a shop at 86-14 37th Ave which was Party Pizza, next to Tomo Sushi.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: jeanette on July 02, 2016, 06:33:22 AM
Sac's of Astoria is coming to JH. They will have a shop at 86-14 37th Ave which was Party Pizza, next to Tomo Sushi.

GREAT NEWS!
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: lalochezia on July 02, 2016, 09:02:26 AM
omg omg omg omg omg omg

Please don't f*ck it up JH. a place that serves wine/beer....and good pizza?

If the menu is *anything* like this, I am extremely excited

http://www.sacsplace.com/wp-content/uploads/Sacs_Astoria_SD.pdf

http://www.sacsplace.com/news/
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Shelby2 on July 02, 2016, 10:12:25 AM
It looks like the newsletter says they will only have takeout and delivery at this location -- unless I'm reading it incorrectly.   http://www.icontact-archive.com/znSu4WzEXIv2EsSQZtnhIUm-S4Y0v6NK?w=2  So I would guess no beer and wine since there's no opportunity to eat in.   :(

http://www.icontact-archive.com/znSu4WzEXIv2EsSQZtnhIUm-S4Y0v6NK?w=2
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: lalochezia on July 02, 2016, 10:25:19 AM
Bummer. "But JH is such a great place for food"*.

Sad trombone.

*Food in restaurants with limited aesthetic appeal with no good drinks options.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: dssjh on July 02, 2016, 02:53:58 PM
great pizza. i can live without sitting down to eat it with a metal knife and fork next to me that i won't use.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: AmazingJason on July 02, 2016, 09:28:25 PM
Bummer. "But JH is such a great place for food"*.

Sad trombone.

*Food in restaurants with limited aesthetic appeal with no good drinks options.

Jackson Heights is a foodie's paradise  ;D
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: AmazingJason on July 02, 2016, 09:29:05 PM
Sac's of Astoria is coming to JH. They will have a shop at 86-14 37th Ave which was Party Pizza, next to Tomo Sushi.

GREAT NEWS!

Agreed. Sac's is a top 10 slice of pizza in the entire country.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ljr on July 02, 2016, 10:01:29 PM
If it's take-out/delivery pizza only--disappointing. We don't eat pizza except on rare occasions. If they also offer the broader Italian food menu someone posted, that sounds great, though I really do not understand why it seems impossible for anyone to open a pub or full-service cafe or bistro or any variety of a real American-style restaurant in this neighborhood. We are the most diverse neighborhood, yes, but what is left out is the sort of place I just mentioned. The two places that are in the works seem to be suffering from an extraordinary series of delays, while there are new restaurants opening all the time that are oriented towards one particular segment of the immigrant JH population or another. And why is that? And how many sports bars does one neighborhood need?

I know I am being politically incorrect, but it seems to me that this neighborhood is made up of businesses that cater to their population only. It's like the "integrated" school where the members of different groups never mix. That's fine, only I don't understand why there can't be a few more places that cater to me. Basic American food, chicken, pasta, burgers, sandwiches, good veggies and salads, beer and wine. Not a diner -- with a nicer atmosphere than that, ideally with no TV! (I know that's asking a lot--there are TVs everywhere now.)

I do enjoy all the varied cuisines available here, but why is it asking too much to have something like a Bareburger as well? Some of the restaurants here are quite expensive and always busy. It's simply not true that people here can't afford anything more than fast food. Why can't we have a few traditional American/European-style options? I really don't get it, but I am beginning to think there is some sort of conspiracy to prevent that from happening.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: dssjh on July 03, 2016, 10:11:16 AM
The Illuminati.

Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ptbass75 on July 05, 2016, 05:16:30 PM
 Wonderful news. Finally, we will have a good good pizza place to call our own. Disappointing if it is only does take out and  delivery, I was under the impression that that particular location should have enough room for sitdown service, as I think the other pizza places that existed there did.    I'll be by sacs on Thursday so I might pop in and ask for clarification.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Liz on July 06, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
LTR - there have been restaurants such as you wish in the JH area like the Cavalier (American) and Limoncello (Italian) that have gone out of business.  I'd say we have what our community supports - unfortunately with the large rents opening a business in JH is a big risk.  I'm looking forward to Sacs and I hope it is sit down.  I hope the other restaurants - the Queensboro will come soon, but I know I shudder when I go by Lockwood and see how empty it is at times.  The chains - like Gap, Starbucks, and Sketchers and the restaurants with a built in following are more likely to survive.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ljr on July 06, 2016, 07:58:09 PM
Liz--with lots of new residents coming into JH, the area is changing and has changed since the restaurants you mentioned went by the wayside. People are spending a lot of money to buy apartments here now. How can it be that we cannot support a wider variety of food options? People who are relatively affluent who live here go to LIC or Astoria to patronize restaurants. Or Sunnyside. Does Sunnyside have that much wealthier or more upscale a population than JH? Even Woodside has Case del Chef and I think a few other places. Why can't JH have the same? I don't believe what you say. Some of the places here ARE expensive. And seem to be doing well.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: jeanette on July 06, 2016, 08:19:57 PM
I peered into the windows of the pizza shop. It's getting a remake, but looks to be cosmetic at this point with the seating still bolted to the floor.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: dssjh on July 06, 2016, 08:24:07 PM
uncle peters is decent continental. armando's is welcoming old school italian, cassidy's serves a great pub burger,

could we use one or two more? sure.

how about some of the people who want change do something to make it happen. open the place you want. or give someone the money to do it.

Liz--with lots of new residents coming into JH, the area is changing and has changed since the restaurants you mentioned went by the wayside. People are spending a lot of money to buy apartments here now. How can it be that we cannot support a wider variety of food options? People who are relatively affluent who live here go to LIC or Astoria to patronize restaurants. Or Sunnyside. Does Sunnyside have that much wealthier or more upscale a population than JH? Even Woodside has Case del Chef and I think a few other places. Why can't JH have the same? I don't believe what you say. Some of the places here ARE expensive. And seem to be doing well.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ljr on July 06, 2016, 09:47:45 PM
Dssjh-- have you been following the saga of the 2 people who are trying to get this kind of thing to happen here? Who have in fact poured money into these projects and years later are still being stymied by whatever has been happening to them?

Where is Cassidy's by the way? In this neighborhood? Never heard of it. Is it a bar primarily where, say, a woman alone would not feel comfortable going in for dinner? If so, I don't care if it has a decent burger--it wouldn't be the atmosphere I'm looking for.

The two places you mention are both on Northern, a long walk away and a walk I would not want to do coming home from there late at night. Before the Bruson building fire, we had two good places right on 37th. I really miss that.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: dssjh on July 06, 2016, 10:42:47 PM
been following since day one. since stew and redge initially proposed a lovely sounding place, then said every other restaurant in the neighborhood served dog food, and anyone who disagreed was not welcome to cross their threshold.

not sure what is going on with the queensboro, since dudley has gone radio silent. hoping for the best there.

if you find northern too far (it is a bit of a walk for me as well), Cassidy's is probably off your list, too. 75th and 31st, right across from Canelle/the mini mall. atmosphere is welcoming, though. Irish pub, not too rowdy, not unpleasant for women, or a single woman.

and i miss those two places right there as well, since i'm about two blocks from the bruson.

Dssjh-- have you been following the saga of the 2 people who are trying to get this kind of thing to happen here? Who have in fact poured money into these projects and years later are still being stymied by whatever has been happening to them?

Where is Cassidy's by the way? In this neighborhood? Never heard of it. Is it a bar primarily where, say, a woman alone would not feel comfortable going in for dinner? If so, I don't care if it has a decent burger--it wouldn't be the atmosphere I'm looking for.

The two places you mention are both on Northern, a long walk away and a walk I would not want to do coming home from there late at night. Before the Bruson building fire, we had two good places right on 37th. I really miss that.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: CaptainFlannel on July 07, 2016, 02:38:45 PM
It's not politically incorrect to say you hope for more diverse food options near 37th Avenue.

There's definitely some decent options along Northern or farther north - Uncle Peter's, Armondo's, the pub near JH Plaza - that go beyond Nepalese/Indian/South American fare.

I'm equally as frustrated with the limited options. The food we have is good, but it sure would be nice to be able to sit down somewhere with a nice ambiance, beer and wine selections, and get a decent burger.

I think the difference between JH and Sunnyside is density. Sunnyside just isn't as dense a neighborhood, but it does have a sizeable Latino population well served with a number of restaurants. It also has nice Italian, French Bistros, a Gastropub, Wine Bar, Irish Bars, etc. Perhaps the issue in JH is that the population density and demographics makes it appear too big a risk to try anything that doesn't cater to the large South America and South Asian populations?

Whatever the reason is, I think the answer is to be sure to patronize those businesses that do open up that serve what you want, so there is a track record of success catering to other tastes.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ljr on July 07, 2016, 05:53:59 PM
Dssjh--we are probably neighbors, sounds to me like we live close by one another. Yeah, I would not walk to Cannelle either, but I'd drive or take a car service over there. I like Irish pubs well enough, and would likely patronize Cassidy's a lot if it were near my apartment.  Nice to know about it. I used to like Armondo's when it was in the Bruson Building. It was close to home, homey and old fashioned, and I liked the fish dishes and homemade ravioli. I am sorry to say that in its new digs, I am liking it less. Prices seem higher and the two times we went there, I didn't like what I ordered. Menu has changed. Room is smaller, noisier and less comfortable, to me. I'm glad it's there, but the truth is, I am not likely to walk over there for higher prices and food that I don't like very much. Honestly, I'd be thrilled to have even a Panera in the Bruson Building. Their food is pretty good, a step up from fast food, and the location in Astoria, at least, is roomy and comfortable. We've been going a bit to a Filipino place in Woodside around 165th, not far from SriPaPhai, House of Inasal, that is inexpensive but comfortable, in a not fancy but not awful-looking setting (no fluorescent lights and no Coke machine), wine and beer available, food very good. We also like Thakali Kitchen but not always in the mood for that cuisine. Like Kitchen 79 but not always in the mood for Thai either. Just want a more basic option that is a pleasant dining experience, beer and wine, offering burgers, chicken, pasta, salads, etc. Don't see why we can't have a place like that in JH in the more central area--37th Ave or even 82nd St. My dream: a Bareburger! I emailed the guy who started that chain, who is from Astoria. He said he does plan on coming to JH, but cannot say when that might happen.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Jeffsayyes on July 07, 2016, 10:56:14 PM
Maybe try Cuckoo's Nest. It's not THAT close, but it's not that far. The food is excellent and might be more what you are looking for.



Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: emliv85 on July 08, 2016, 10:11:06 AM
ljr - I couldn't agree with you more. While I do love the varied local cuisines, I find I mostly order it in. It's very frustrating to have to leave my immediate neighborhood to find anything else I might crave, including Bareburger or other basic options with welcoming atmospheres, or neighborhood bars that are young, single-woman-friendly.

And another Wendy's is opening!? I'm so annoyed about that for so many reasons.

I don't even eat out all that often, but when I do I want GREAT food with an aesthetically pleasing, TV-less environment. I was so looking forward to Swim Two Birds and it's been so disheartening to witness their decline and seemingly lack of progress. I agree with the notion that we need to patronize and support the local business that we want to succeed and stay, but how do we convince them to open up here in the first place?
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: lalochezia on July 08, 2016, 11:18:57 AM
, but how do we convince them to open up here in the first place?

Stop protectionist rent practices that seem particularly prevalent in this neighborhood - publicly shame those who perform such practices.

Have CB3/dept of buildings/the city treat all businesses fairly, not just ones that appear to "know people". If necessary, fire,replace and/or criminally prosecute members of these organizations for corruption.

Make it so that small businesses can open quickly and fairly and not just leave the fastlane for either megachains/franchise with muscles, or people with family/ethnic group "in's".

Make the SBJSA law so that existing small businesses have stability and aren't rent gouged out of existence, turning NYC into a giant mall.
http://takebacknyc.nyc/sbjsa/
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: dssjh on July 08, 2016, 12:53:29 PM
criminally prosecuting people for doing friends, or friends of friends a favor?

are you suggesting all private property become government controlled?

should someone who owns a two family house be forced to charge prevailing market rates if renting the second unit to their child or parent?
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: AmazingJason on July 08, 2016, 02:17:40 PM
Is it just me or is this thread kind of negative for such positive news?

I'm going to focus on the positive. We are getting a pizza place that serves one of the best slices of pizza in the entire country. There could be a whole host of reasons - some of which could be out of their control, like lack of an available space - why it's not a sit-down restaurant, but that's what the owners decided and we should respect that. I also think people are underestimating how difficult it is to open and operate a successful restaurant in the first place.

The neighborhood will eventually gentrify and we will get a Bareburger. But it's just not at that point yet, for a number of reasons, and it will take place much slower than other NYC neighborhoods. I also tend to see that as a positive though. I'm not in a rush to become the next Astoria or Forest Hills.

Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: CaptainFlannel on July 08, 2016, 03:12:03 PM
criminally prosecute members of these organizations for corruption =/= prosecute people for doing a favor to friends and family

I'm not sure how the layperson can do any of the actions listed above (I am not in law enforcement or a prosecutor, so I can't criminally prosecute anyone or do anything to advance a prosecution).

It seems like ideas on what the community can *actually* do to advance the cause of small businesses being able to open in our neighborhood without undue delays or a hassle are welcome by some members of this forum.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: lalochezia on July 08, 2016, 03:17:58 PM
Firstly,I should be clear that  I was only suggesting prosecution towards employees  of the *state* that show illegal bias towards some potential business owners over others.

With regard to other comments:

criminally prosecuting people for doing friends, or friends of friends a favor?


No, but a public facing business is not the same as doing  "friends of friends a favor" in the context you imply.  Unfair Discrimination is easy to hide in these kinds of arrangements.


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are you suggesting all private property become government controlled?
No. Please show where I suggested that.

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should someone who owns a two family house be forced to charge prevailing market rates if renting the second unit to their child or parent?

No, and there are specific laws allowing this kind of things for immediate kin. Again, a house - and primary residence -  is not a public facing business. However, If I own a business, say 20 apartments, advertise them publicly, but only rent to X ethnic group, the state has a right to tell me that I can't do that with my property!

 Remember "private property" in the case of a  business is enmeshed deeply within a system that provides the business owner stability, infrastructure, legal mechanisms for dispute resolution, security, mechanisms for commerce etc etc etc.  We call this "society" ......and the price of living in society is that unlimited utilization of private-property in a dense urban  resource-limited place like NYC has to be balanced against the public good.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: cultartist on July 08, 2016, 04:53:46 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again--Rico Tinto is as close as the neighborhood comes to the kind of place several of you are suggesting. Not only great Mexican and Columbian cuisine but also very tasty and healthy veggie and salad options as well as a mighty good burger. And, another neighborhood rarity, creative and attractive presentation and generally good music. I'm still anxiously awaiting the Queensboro and Swim 2 Birds but in the meantime, a local gem which should be encouraged.  If only they had later hours and a liquor license.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ljr on July 08, 2016, 10:59:35 PM
Lalochezia--what you are saying is what I was suggesting. Is there a reason that some businesses seem to have smoother sailing in JH than others? Is there some sort of discrimination going on? Or preferential treatment according to who knows who and possibly relating to ethnicity?  It kind of looks that way to me.

Cultarist--I agree with the positive comments about Rico Tinto. But--and this is a big but--they have limited seating, no wine/beer, and early hours. Their food is very good, but they are a breakfast and lunch place primarily, and that's not when I most often go out. I once stopped by there to pick up a salad for dinner on my way home, and the wait for the food was insanely long. There were few people around, it was close to closing time, and they couldn't throw together a salad without making me wait for at least 30 minutes. I gave up on the idea of getting dinner to go from them, since I could not actually sit down and have dinner there after coming home at 8-9 PM, which is pretty frequent for me. It's frustrating because the food is really good. I am looking for an option that meets my needs for someplace where I simple, decent dinner can be had at a later hour.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Palermo on July 09, 2016, 07:21:09 AM
Good luck to Sac's, but IMO Louie's is the best in the hood.

When we want pub-like food, we goto Brooklyn, Woodside or Astoria.  Should a Bareburger move in, we'd still do the same.  Expensive, mediocre food served in an atmosphere that is halfway between a tavern and a Denny's.

Lalochezia, I'm not saying I disagree at all, but can you provide some specific examples?  Are these practices something you know as a fact going on around here, or is it more of a "seems to" type of thing?

Ljr, I'd like to ask the same.  Which ethnicity is getting a leg up?  The businesses which you desire (which I do as well) cater more so to white folk and would often be run by them.  Are you suggesting that businesses run by white folk which cater to white folk are being held back due to illegal, discriminatory practices?

Is there a possibility that the very high commercial rents along with the relatively small amount of commercial space in a very densely populated neighborhood could contribute to most businesses primarily catering to the predominant populations who live here?

Everytime I see a post on Swim 2 Birds, I'm less likely to go.  Just because the owner kvetched like Job on social media doesn't mean other owners don't go through the same issues.  How long did Barrils take to open?  Bachue was empty forever (and it still seems so!).  Oceanic Boil took ages to open.

 
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: dssjh on July 09, 2016, 10:51:33 AM
the sense of entitlement was strong with the Swim Two Birds team, a whole lot of "don't you know who I am?," combined with a sneering condescension towards establishments that people in other boroughs (and other cities, judging by guidebooks) see as destination restaurants.

i have friends who spent 16 months opening their new bar/restaurant in Brooklyn. they own another place that took less time, but it's a crap shoot for a lot of reasons. and i don't think that city officials have a racial/ethnic agenda in keeping Jackson Heights bistro-free.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: MinorIon on July 09, 2016, 11:40:19 AM
the sense of entitlement was strong with the Swim Two Birds team, a whole lot of "don't you know who I am?," combined with a sneering condescension towards establishments that people in other boroughs (and other cities, judging by guidebooks) see as destination restaurants.

Hosanna!

Also: Rico Tinto is insanely good for the money and really does hit a lot of the right notes.

And this pizza place sounds great!
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: dssjh on July 09, 2016, 12:49:50 PM
rico tinto does an amazing cochinita pibil taco and their shrimp is terrific. i usually stick to the simple stuff, but their specials sound very enticing.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ljr on July 09, 2016, 07:52:58 PM
Palermo--where do you go for pub food in Woodside? We tried the place that supposedly had the "best burgers" and found it entirely unremarkable. Burgers the same as any diner. I disagree about Bareburger. I enjoy their food and find their atmosphere pretty darn far away from Denny's. And the prices are fine. And no higher than the pubs in Woodside, I would bet.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: CaptainFlannel on July 09, 2016, 08:49:08 PM
Sac's in Astoria is fabulous. At least it was when I had a boyfriend that lived near them and they were our go to pizza joint when I stayed over. I also think Louie's is good too. It will be a toss up. Louie's has seating, so when my spouse and I want to get out of the house, I guess we'll go there. Sac's will be closer to us, so when we want take out, I guess we'll order from there.

What I'm also missing in the neighborhood (aside from an Irish or British style pub) is a couple of restaurants that would work for a relatively inexpensive date night. The SO and I have hit Armondo's and Uncle Peter's, but they both can get pricey quick. Food that doesn't break the bank, with wine and beer available, in an atmosphere that allows us to gaze at one another romantically (or, since we're an old married couple now, doesn't have a TV distracting us when we're trying to have a date!)
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: jasonic on July 09, 2016, 11:36:21 PM
I too have lived here for about 5 years and am surprised there isn't a bistro type place you can sit down for a decent beer, burger or salad. There's 10 places per block in park slope and now Astoria. Had friends in town and had to work late so we met in Astoria for a later drink with decent atmosphere, kinda sad we couldn't just do that here in JH. The scorpion? No. Ready penny? Think not.

I looked into opening a place on 37th next to GNC (been empty since I moved here) and they want over 7000 month. Seems steep to me as a few friend and I opened a coffee shop in bed stuy and it's half that for rent for same space. Now a salon is opening next door (yes another one!!) and the sari place expanded to 2 storefronts. As for preferential treatment, do you really think they're selling at a minimum $14000 worth of saris a month to stay open? Or are they getting a deal? Not trying to be coy, just curious why we have so many salons and pharmacies and 99 cent stores still while it seems restaurants are having a hard time to open (besides fighting with the local community board)

Can't wait for Sac's, pizza is my favorite meal!
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: dssjh on July 10, 2016, 01:20:30 PM
couple points:

i do indeed believe the clothing store in question does tens of thousands of business on a monthly basis. i've purchased items there, and whenever i've been in there, there have been plenty of customers -- and i've seen a couple of wedding party transactions that went into the thousands.

as far as preferential treatment? i don't believe the building owners are south asian and i don't believe Ricky's, H & R Block or GNC (which is paying $9,000 per month) are south asian owned.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on July 10, 2016, 05:33:51 PM
I do believe what some are bemoaning is the fact that it doesn't make sense that Jackson Heights, particularly within the historic district, is not attracting the more aesthetically pleasing restaurants that other areas have.  An influx of these establishments along 37th Avenue and 82nd Street would transform our neighborhood into one of the most desirable neighborhoods in the boroughs.  We have so much potential, but it is not being realized.  Cute little places with outdoor seating have sprung up all over the place in other neighborhoods, but do not exist here at all.  These types of establishments bring an element of beauty, life and safety (with people being out in the evening) that improves the quality of life and increases property values.  Our garden co-ops, tree-lined streets and landscaping make for a neighborhood that is far more aesthetically pleasing than Astoria, Sunnyside and even many neighborhoods in Brooklyn, yet we are sorely lacking this one amenity. It just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: cultartist on July 10, 2016, 08:22:58 PM
And here's the big question--and I'm dying to get an answer for anyone who might know. HOW do so many local establishments--and we can all name several I'm sure--exist month to month in our high rent neighborhood with seemingly NO customers. I mean, ZERO in some cases. How (and one might say WHY) do they survive? Please someone, weigh in.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ljr on July 11, 2016, 01:20:00 AM
Hum and Cultarist--exactly, and exactly. Two big, extremely puzzling questions. As to why no cute little cafes and restaurants (except of course for E77, which I love) I keep hearing things like, "We don't have the kind of population to support those kinds of places here," which is absurd. Of course we do, and more and more every day. I see all sorts of people in E77--all nationalities, young, old, different languages, etc. It appeals to a huge part of the population in JH. Just Made 4 You seems always busy, as well--too bad they don't have more of a restaurant atmosphere because I think their food is very decent and a good value. We order from them a lot. I just don't get it. I know the rents are high, but there are so many businesses here that as Cultarist said, don't seem to have many customers yet they seem to survive. Or...there is something fishy going on.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Minimal4me on July 11, 2016, 06:52:18 AM

...they have limited seating, no wine/beer, and early hours. Their food is very good, but they are a breakfast and lunch place primarily, and that's not when I most often go out. I once stopped by there to pick up a salad for dinner on my way home, and the wait for the food was insanely long. There were few people around, it was close to closing time, and they couldn't throw together a salad without making me wait for at least 30 minutes. I gave up on the idea of getting dinner to go from them, since I could not actually sit down and have dinner there after coming home at 8-9 PM, which is pretty frequent for me. It's frustrating because the food is really good. I am looking for an option that meets my needs for someplace where I simple, decent dinner can be had at a later hour.

Though I've heard good things on this forum about the food, when I look in the window this place is just not inviting to me for a sit down meal.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: puri on July 11, 2016, 10:22:45 AM
I am not exactly sure about what you all are complaining about. No neighborhood has everything. I will tell you what Sunnyside doesn't have: good Thai food. How about Astoria? Good Chinese. (To be fair, Jackson Heights doesn't have decent Chinese food either but a walk to Elmhurst is not too bad.)

A more appropriate tone should be this neighborhood doesn't have places that cater MY needs but it may be fine for most or the current majority. Personally, I am glad that there's no wine bars on the 37th avenue. Anytime I walk past one in the village, I just wish it's a Sichuan restaurant instead.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: cultartist on July 11, 2016, 11:00:36 AM
I know, Puri.  You're right.  Not every neighborhood can have everything.  Nor should it.  (Parenthetically--one thing we DO have that we didn't have before: a great restaurant with outdoor seating--I dropped by the newly expanded brick-and-mortar Arepa Lady and it's a delight and, of course, delicious--you all gotta check it out).  While I wouldn't mind a bistro or burger joint, I'm actually MORE concerned that the incomparable Terraza 7 may soon go out of business because of, yes, higher rents.  And there is nothing like Terraza 7 here or in any other neighborhood that I've seen.  So, it's not just a matter of lamenting the elusive wine bars and Irish pubs but just a matter, once again, of WHY are great places shut down or prevented from opening while others survive with no customers. 
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ljr on July 12, 2016, 11:42:05 AM
I agree with Cultarist that this is an excellent question--why places with no clientele seem to survive, while unique places like Terrazza 7 go out of business or are prevented from opening by endless red tape and hassles from the city, I also don't get the sniffy tone regarding people stating their preferences as to which sorts of eating establishments they would like to see here. Saying "no neighborhood has everything" is beside the point, when people in THIS neighborhood are clamoring for a bigger, less crowded gym, more restaurant variety, etc, in the midst of a large number of empty storefronts and even the so far totally empty Bruson Building.

Why am I not allowed to state what I want to see here, while Puri takes a sort of haughty tone implying that my preferences are somehow suspect and not as--what--maybe politically correct as his or hers?

I actually think Saw Shack is "decent" Chinese right here in JH. I really am sort of offended by Puri's wording: "A more appropriate tone should be that this neighborhood doesn't have places that cater to MY needs but it may be fine for most or the current majority." What put you in charge of what is "appropriate" for me to say or what tone I "should" take? And how do you know what the "current majority" wants and needs? Really condescending, Puri. I think it's actually your tone that is not appropriate.

There are many people who would agree with me. I don't see how my stating my desires interferes with your opinions or desires and deserves a putdown from you. Thanks for the recommendation of The Arepa Lady, Cultarist. I've heard of it but never been there. Will check it out. But again these blanket statements like, "No neighborhood can have everything. Nor should it." are nonsensical to me. Why shouldn't it? And why shouldn't individuals ask for services and businesses that they want to see in their neighborhood? Why is everyone always so judgmental? 
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: BennyB on July 12, 2016, 01:17:35 PM
I looked into opening a place on 37th next to GNC (been empty since I moved here) and they want over 7000 month.

That new restaurant Mejbaan... Do you think they are paying $7,000?

I agree it would be nice if a restaurant like The Smith (3 locations on east side) opened up in the neighborhood. BUT, the number one thing to me about our neighborhood is the amazing restaurants. I love the south asian and south american food but it would be nice to have an american-style place to bring visitors.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: CaptainFlannel on July 13, 2016, 08:40:26 AM
I've seen demographic figures reported that JH is comprised of 50+% Latinos, and 60% of residents are foreign born. Probably a combination of high rent and a large demographic makes it tough for entrepreneurs to see risking a business failure by not catering to the biggest majority in the neighborhood. Restaurants have a very high failure rate as it is. From a business perspective I get it, but personally it's frustrating.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Palermo on July 13, 2016, 08:46:47 AM
What put you in charge of what is "appropriate" for me to say or what tone I "should" take? And how do you know what the "current majority" wants and needs? Really condescending, Puri. ... Why is everyone always so judgmental?
And how many sports bars does one neighborhood need?
Ljr, I don't think Puri meant it in a condescending manner at all.  It's just a realistic statement about tone (not your tone, but the tone) and a tenable observation on market economics.  I wouldn't take offense.  He's not trying to make a decision for you, just as, I am sure, you are not trying to be judgmental for the folks who cram into the well patronized sports bars.

Now mind you, while I do not share your naked frustration, I am extremely sympathetic to your wants regarding this matter, but I would like to note:

I really do not understand why it seems impossible for anyone to open a pub or full-service cafe or bistro or any variety of a real American-style restaurant in this neighborhood... I don't understand why there can't be a few more places that cater to me... Why can't we have a few traditional American/European-style options? I really don't get it, but I am beginning to think there is some sort of conspiracy to prevent that from happening.
No conspiracy.  Market economics.
the area is changing and has changed since the restaurants you mentioned went by the wayside. People are spending a lot of money to buy apartments here now. How can it be that we cannot support a wider variety of food options?
Businesses work on multi-year leases.  There is always a lag between a population and the stores they frequent.  Market economics.
Lalochezia--what you are saying is what I was suggesting. Is there a reason that some businesses seem to have smoother sailing in JH than others? Is there some sort of discrimination going on? Or preferential treatment according to who knows who and possibly relating to ethnicity?  It kind of looks that way to me.
Discrimination against white folk who want to open shops for white folk?  It seems awfully silly when written out.  No.  It's market economics.  If you think Stew's travails are the result of prejudice, he burped out the most pompous and stupidest thing I ever saw in print about food (you there, preferred immigrant type, stop enjoying that food!  Don't you know its 20 years out of date?!), so if he rode that horse into the CB meetings, then hey, people are people.  In Stew's defense though, I don't FB, Twitter and I've never watched the foodie channels, so perhaps within those mediums he's been topped.
As to why no cute little cafes and restaurants (except of course for E77, which I love) I keep hearing things like, "We don't have the kind of population to support those kinds of places here," which is absurd.... Or...there is something fishy going on.
No absurd fish.  Just market economics. 
Saying "no neighborhood has everything" is beside the point, when people in THIS neighborhood are clamoring for a bigger, less crowded gym, more restaurant variety, etc, in the midst of a large number of empty storefronts and even the so far totally empty Bruson Building.
The clamouring hordes extend not far beyond the orbit of the clutch of denizens of this board.  It's market economics.
Why am I not allowed to state what I want to see here?
You have been more clear on this matter than any other poster.   

I'm at wit's end as to how you so keen to think that a mechanism more sinister than the market's hand (along with its certain inefficiencies) is at play here.  I'm not saying it can't happen and I would be anxious to uncover any trucked shenanigans, but I can't see anything beyond rents, demographics, spending dollars and typical neighborhood evolution operating here.  Is some sort of central planning involved here, dispensing quotas of what a locale should or shouldn't have?  Do commercial landlords refuse to rent to businesses that cater to a certain demographic and do city agencies intentionally gum up their works?  What's their motive and most importantly, how do they profit from it?

They will come someday, hopefully sooner rather than later, and they'll come for one reason:  Because someone can make a buck off of it.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Jeffsayyes on July 13, 2016, 08:48:27 AM
Which visitors want to have American food?? I have tried to have friends come to the farmers market and then cook but it never works bc everyone wants Thai food or whatever.

Anyways, Jax Inn is pretty good. Chivito de Oro although it doesn't have hamburgers is quite familiar to the American taste, buds.

-- and as far as the new Mejbaan ---I would think their rent is about double 7k.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: puri on July 14, 2016, 10:05:52 AM
Palermo has said it better than me.

Whenever this kind of question pops up in this board, someone will put a link to the demographics of this neighborhood that clearly explains many things. Anyone is free to express their opinion about what they want to see around here or suspect something is going on under the table but he or she is responsible for the burden of proof to discuss further.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: dssjh on July 14, 2016, 11:02:26 AM
agreed entirely with puri and palermo.

while it's certainly possible that there's some sort of weird conspiracy between the takeout momo vendors and the cartel of Astoria bistro owners, pooling their cash to make sure there's no competition here, it's really the free market.

 
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: lalochezia on July 14, 2016, 12:55:13 PM
It's funny how a serious set of statements get distorted in website banter to a swivel-eyed loon  conspiracy theory.

I wrote

"Stop protectionist rent practices that seem particularly prevalent in this neighborhood - publicly shame those who perform such practices."


I agree that the burden of proof is on me for this. However, to suggest that there haven't been real-estate protectionist practices amongst neighborhoods with blocs of ethnicities in NYC  is being willfully ignorant of history. I am extrapolating from that - and people have posted anecdotes about "in prices" and "out prices". I would like to see real data, but I don't have access to people that collude. Perhaps journalists might be interested?


I wrote

"Have CB3/dept of buildings/the city treat all businesses fairly, not just ones that appear to "know people". If necessary, fire,replace and/or criminally prosecute members of these organizations for corruption. "

Make it so that small businesses can open quickly and fairly and not just leave the fastlane for either megachains/franchise with muscles, or people with family/ethnic group "in's".


We've seen examples where businesses without "ins" have been treated shoddily, whereas
i) chains and ii) restaurants who have local connections can open incredibly quickly.
Caffebene took less than 3months. Blink took 4-5 months. A couple of the 82nd street clothing stores only took a few months to go from empty->chain.
Local businesses with ins on the ground: Emoji took 3 months. That banquet hall on the corner of 37th/75th took about 10 weeks!

Yet outsiders to these networks have high rents and obstructionism to deal with.
 
I wrote

"Make the SBJSA law so that existing small businesses have stability and aren't rent gouged out of existence, turning NYC into a giant mall.
http://takebacknyc.nyc/sbjsa/"

I would hope this is obvious.
-

If people want to snark, fine. Bur there are real structural problems with this neighborhood re: businesses that cater to its residents.  This isn’t the most terrible thing in the world - oh noes ….the whiteys can’t get brunch or a cocktail! -  but a neighborhood that contains businesses that are walkable that serve its residents is a thing to strive for.  See Jane Jacobs etc.

 Even through the demographics of JH as a whole can’t support gentrified businesses en masse - which is fine! - of the ~120k people in JH,   in the historic district there are already thousands - I would guess about or exceeding ten thousand - middle-income people who could support a few of them, and they are underserved.

Finally,  the idea that this is the "free" market is laughable. There are market pressures, but  there are so many roadblocks placed in the way of prospective businesses by city agencies (some of which are entirely justifiable!), combined with entrenched real estate interests and a completely non-level playing field….that calling it "free" is an insult to those who struggle and fail against forces way beyond just price pressue.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: jeanette on July 14, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
Lalocheese, your argument is well put. The "burden of proof" = "prove it!" Of course you can't prove it if it's not something one would flaunt.

I only have one anecdote that I can share/have shared on this site. I was witness to a young lawyer in a meeting discussing some similar issue (I think it was in putting together a brief for an SRO), where she said her father, a Korean immigrant who owned a building, gave preference to other Koreans--that that is how it is done.

Well, it seems logical given issues of language, trust, support, etc., but still, it is fundamentally unfair. I take umbrage at the insinuation of racism/anti-immigrant. We all know that white-held property owners and businesses have done it and in so doing have influenced the nature of a given neighborhood.

It may be business as usual, but it is also not in the spirit of the free market.

Wasn't this thread supposed to be about a pizza place?!
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: NYC Peromyscus on July 14, 2016, 03:36:22 PM
It is likely that the places that open quickly (esp. chains) have more money and more experience at successfully opening a business. They identify a good spot and know how to get all of the approvals, contractors, employees, etc lined up to build out the space and open. No conspiracies necessary. Some owners are just better at business.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ljr on July 14, 2016, 03:59:39 PM
Lalochezia--yes, what you say is what I am thinking and you explain it very well! The ethnic communities in JH are quite insular, and it only makes sense that they would give preference to their own, just as different groups have done in various ways forever. I once mentioned that I was making some sort of charitable donation and my mother-in-law asked me, "Couldn't you find a Jewish group to give to?" It never occurred to me to think that way, but her generation does. Charity should stay within the "family."

I'm sure that thinking extends to businesses as well. So claiming that it's all "market forces" and nothing but that is naive, IMO. 

I suspected I would be ripped apart for my previous post on this, and I was. The statement that the notion of "white people discriminating against white people" being a ridiculous idea assumes that the landlords are all white people, doesn't it? And of course they are not.

When you say there is a segment of the JH population that is underserved, you sum up exactly what I am trying to get across. We do love the ethnic cuisines we can find here, but for medical reasons, in fact, we cannot eat spicy, sweet (Thai sauces), or carb-heavy (rice and noodle based cuisines) all the time.

We would just love a place to dine out in nice surroundings where we can get a simpler, American or European-style meal, with wine and beer and without the glaring fluorescent lights, many TVs, and ugly Coke machine in the dining room.

I agree that Chivito d'Oro is a fine place, but it's also one of the places that becomes wild when the games are on. We made the mistake of walking up there one evening, then decided to push on to Urubamba because we didn't fancy dining out surrounded by screaming soccer fans.

Anyway, my rant got started because I was wondering how/why some of the newer eating establishments seemed to open quickly and easily, while the ones that would seem to be the answer to my desires have not. Not just taking longer--but halted for years. Is it just bad luck of some sort?

Swim Two Birds did get approval for its liquor license, so the community board did not stand in its way or punish the owner for his arrogance or whatever. It's now halted because of building violations that date back for years. That's what I heard. But there were two previous restaurants in that space during my tenure in JH--both of them Indian restaurants, one of which we loved. Did they get halted by the ancient violations? I don't think so. And there is a fast-food chicken place next door, which opened maybe a year or so ago.  Why didn't that get halted by the ancient building violations if they are really as old as I heard? Thanks Lalochezia for summing up so well.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: jackinjh on August 04, 2016, 05:47:53 PM
Well I went to the Astoria location last weekend and ordered large mama's old fashioned aka margarita pizza, of course pizza was cold by the time I drove back to JH, must save the pizza is good especially the sauce very tasty. Well can't wait for them to open soon.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Shelby2 on August 09, 2016, 11:16:28 PM
Sac's twitter feed -- new photo of storefront:

https://twitter.com/sacsplacepizza/status/761624985840521217
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpHV4nWWEAEawft.jpg)
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: JH3525 on August 14, 2016, 05:55:08 PM
It looks like SAC's is very close to opening.  I can't wait.  I plan to be a regular.  I live a long way from SAC's so hopefully someone will report the opening.  I look forward to their delivery of great pizza and Italian food.  A very welcome addition to the neighborhood. 
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Simka on August 20, 2016, 09:18:14 PM
On their Facebook page a few days ago, they posted that they were looking to hire workers for their JH location. That sounded promising, though I was surprised they listed "pizza maker." I figured they'd have that part worked out already.

They posted a photo of the interior on Instagram:http://www.instagram.com/p/BJVOlLBhKjf/ (http://www.instagram.com/p/BJVOlLBhKjf/)
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: jeanette on August 20, 2016, 09:33:20 PM
They posted a photo of the interior on Instagram:http://www.instagram.com/p/BJVOlLBhKjf/ (http://www.instagram.com/p/BJVOlLBhKjf/)

Well, I prefer the previous brilliant color walls painted by the Argentine company. Even when the place returned to its dump status, those walls were inspiring.

It looks like an eat-in restaurant, so that's good if you don't mind being surrounded by blood red--everywhere. I guess red's their theme.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: JH3525 on August 21, 2016, 02:17:10 PM
Finally, Jackson Heights will have quality pizza and you are concerned about red walls.  Nonsense.  I look forward to their opening.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Shelby2 on August 21, 2016, 03:02:14 PM
From the instagram photo, it looks like it will have tables for a dining-in experience.  I've never been to Sacs in Astoria, though, so maybe this one is a much more casual/basic dining-in experience.  I like the red walls.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Rhino on August 21, 2016, 06:18:36 PM
Not to be be a Debbie Downer,  but this place won't last, and if the owners want to PM me, perhaps I can clue them in
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: jeanette on August 21, 2016, 06:44:32 PM
@Rhino, I am hoping you are wrong. I am very much looking forward to a decent pizza place on this end of the district.

Concerning the walls, to each his own, but red apparently is not an appetite inducer. (There are lots of articles discussing this on the net.) And it just so happens that I viscerally react accordingly. Patches of red--maybe--but this is intense.

Yet blue is supposed to be the best appetite suppressant, and my favorite restaurant has a powder blue theme throughout: The Oneness-Fountain-Heart Gourmet Vegetarian Restaurant.

So there you go.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ClydeM on August 21, 2016, 09:46:29 PM
Not to be be a Debbie Downer,  but this place won't last, and if the owners want to PM me, perhaps I can clue them in

Why not clue us all in?

They posted a photo of the interior on Instagram:http://www.instagram.com/p/BJVOlLBhKjf/ (http://www.instagram.com/p/BJVOlLBhKjf/)

Well, I prefer the previous brilliant color walls painted by the Argentine company. Even when the place returned to its dump status, those walls were inspiring.

It looks like an eat-in restaurant, so that's good if you don't mind being surrounded by blood red--everywhere. I guess red's their theme.


They could decorate the place like the waiting room of the Black Lodge from Twin Peaks and I wouldn't care as long as they sling a good pie. I'm sorry to those who have strong opinions on the matter but, with the exception of Louie's, the pizza around here is really quite bad. Jackson Heights needs and deserves a decent pizza place.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: wallaby on August 21, 2016, 10:54:58 PM
decor based on Twin Peak's Black Lodge...that alone would merit a visit in my book.
But red walls or whatnot, I'm looking forward to Sac's!
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: jeanette on August 22, 2016, 05:49:08 PM
To beat a dead horse, lol, I peaked in today. Unlike the photo, the walls don't actually look very red, they appear, at least through the window--to be brown with red undertones.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ptbass75 on August 22, 2016, 11:19:08 PM
This thread is starting to remind me of the one about the obstructed windows of the downtown natural market.  Can't wait for Sac's!!
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ClydeM on August 22, 2016, 11:43:19 PM
decor based on Twin Peak's Black Lodge...that alone would merit a visit in my book.
But red walls or whatnot, I'm looking forward to Sac's!

So long as the aren't dishing up Garmonbozia!
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Simka on August 24, 2016, 01:31:50 AM
Not to be be a Debbie Downer,  but this place won't last, and if the owners want to PM me, perhaps I can clue them in

Why not clue us all in?

I second that question. I'm very interested in knowing why it won't last.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Rhino on August 25, 2016, 06:26:59 PM
I would love to  have a succesful pizzeria "uptown" In fact, it's one of my favorite foods. So much so, I opened one up in the city, a few years back. That being said, I've been in the restaurant business continually for the past 40 years. I've owned three restaurants in Manhattan and have consulted on many more. I've also lived in JH for over 20 years, and have studied and researched on opening a place here more times than I can count. I have seen Sacs in Astoria, it looked really cool from the outside, although I  have never been. I really don't want to speak publicly about these guys business. I do however have a pretty good instinct about what's a good fit in the right location. In my professional opinion, 37th ave and 86th street is not it. Hey, it's tough to open a place, and I wish them all the best.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: CaptainFlannel on August 25, 2016, 08:03:30 PM
Sacs in Astoria has a much bigger location and a full menu. It was my go-to pizza place for delivery when I lived in Astoria (I think I ate there a couple of times but can't remember specifics). This place seems to be focused as more of a pizzeria than a restaurant, though maybe that has changed. The original announcement was that it was going to be take-out and delivery only, but there's a number of tables in there now, so maybe people will be able order slices, calzones, etc. to eat at a table.

I'm hopeful the owner knows what he's doing after 27 years owning a business. Louie's is really the only good pizza I've found here so far (and their entrees are good too!) but would welcome something decent on 37th Ave in the 80s.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Liz on August 26, 2016, 09:57:45 AM
and a pizza place that is open on Sundays! (Louie's is not).  I'm hoping it will do well and eventually open a full service restaurant.  The way I eat pizza, I'm going to do my best to keep it open.  A lot of us talk about what we'd like to see in the neighborhood - the best we can do is try to support the local businesses every chance we can get.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ptbass75 on August 30, 2016, 08:38:34 PM
 They are planning on opening this Thursday. Unlike the Astoria location, the oven will not be coal oven,  but hopefully will still be delicious
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ClydeM on August 30, 2016, 11:57:00 PM
They are planning on opening this Thursday. Unlike the Astoria location, the oven will not be coal oven,  but hopefully will still be delicious

Thursday works for me! I'm not going to get too hung up on the type of oven. A high temperature gas fired oven can make a great pizza and I've had absolutely terrible pizza cooked in coal/wood fired brick ovens. It all depends on the skill of the person making it. It would be great if they stayed open late (meaning past 10).
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Liz on September 08, 2016, 07:48:10 AM
FYI -There were a few more messages on this thread that seem to have disappeared - about their opening and being up there with Louie's in quality.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: lalochezia on September 08, 2016, 10:37:25 AM
We went there a few days ago

Delicious light/pillowy crust on the grandma slice.
Regular slice crispy, firm, a little char, also light
Mozz good
Sauce homemade - not too sweet

You can tell these guys care.

Best pizza in the neighborhood - period.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Shelby2 on September 08, 2016, 11:18:54 AM
I also went last night.  It was busy and many of the tables were occupied.  Excellent pizza!  I will be back.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Ed on September 08, 2016, 01:16:51 PM
And both of my posts, which were VERY positive, disappeared as well!
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: toddg on September 08, 2016, 01:49:31 PM
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Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: pipman on September 08, 2016, 10:10:04 PM
Was looking forward to finally a good pizza place nearby.  Took out a medium pie a few nights ago and was pretty disappointed.  Service was nice--unlike what others posted--but pizza didn't have that much flavor overall, i liked the sauce, but the crust was too heavy--seemed like a frozen crust vs. fresh and airy, or chewy, or thin and crisp.  Will try again.  I do remember liking Sac's in Astoria.  I think Louie's margarita pie has a slight edge.  Seems like I can find a good slice in Sunnyside, Woodside, Astoria--but still a challenge here in Jackson Heights.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: rabucat on September 08, 2016, 11:25:17 PM
Very excited about having Sac's in the nabe!  I've taken out slices from there a handful of times so far, and have been consistently delighted.  The crust is single-pane thin, and bagel-chewy in all the right ways.  I think the real winner is the "Mama pizza," which has fresh basil, pools of mozzarella, sweet red sauce, and plenty of garlic (i.e. Margherita).  Platonically delicious!  The atmosphere is not particularly winsome for eating in, but man is this some good 'za!  Haven't had the chicken or sausage rolls, but they are awfully tempting.  For my money, Due Fratelli is the neighborhood place for comforting grandma slices, Thomas's for a belt-buster chicken and broccoli slice, and Sac's for a Proustian thin-crust slice. 
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Ms. Jackson on September 09, 2016, 02:04:14 PM
Hands down my go-to pizza place in Jackson Heights from now on.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Liz on September 09, 2016, 02:40:39 PM
I still love Louie's best, but Sacs is a close second and open on Sunday, plus a little closer to where I live, and I'm hoping they will expand in the future and serve more of what they have in Astoria.  Since Limoncello closed we are in need (or at least I am) of a local Italian restaurant.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: daisy on September 09, 2016, 02:52:53 PM
I had two slices there yesterday, the regular and the basil mozzerella.  They were great.  No air conditioning (yet?) but the offerings look good.  I too hope they'll begin offering dishes like chicken parmesan to expand the menu a bit. 
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: CaptainFlannel on September 09, 2016, 03:02:14 PM
They are giving out their take out menu. Dinners are included for catering (likely made at the Astoria location), but the menu at the JH location is going to consist of pizza, calzones, salads, and heroes.

The offerings are limited by the kitchen space. The JH location looks like it is just too small to store what would be necessary to provide the menu at the Astoria location, and has a smaller kitchen space available. (You'll notice what they are offering in JH can be done with just a pizza oven and some cold storage)
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: deja on September 09, 2016, 03:53:37 PM
They could always offer a special or two every week and cycle through the Astoria menu.  But if they want to be a pizza/heroes place they're going to have to get deliveries up and running asap.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: dssjh on September 09, 2016, 04:39:03 PM
called to ask about delivery the other day, and the gentleman said 'monday, tuesday at the latest.' as a longtime fan of the astoria location, i have high hopes.

They could always offer a special or two every week and cycle through the Astoria menu.  But if they want to be a pizza/heroes place they're going to have to get deliveries up and running asap.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: deja on September 09, 2016, 04:41:57 PM
I do too, but I am too lazy to go over there! Lol.

called to ask about delivery the other day, and the gentleman said 'monday, tuesday at the latest.' as a longtime fan of the astoria location, i have high hopes.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: CaptainFlannel on September 09, 2016, 05:40:36 PM
They could always offer a special or two every week and cycle through the Astoria menu.  But if they want to be a pizza/heroes place they're going to have to get deliveries up and running asap.

I don't see how that would work since the kitchen just isn't set up to handle it. Like, the space would literally need different kitchen equipment. How do you offer pasta dishes at your new location when you can't cook pasta because all you have is a pizza oven? (It would also be a huge PITA anyway).

What they did was called a soft launch. They are handling what they can handle right now - walk in customers - and will scale up as the employees get familiar with the routine and are trained. If they are planning on bringing delivery service within the next couple of days, they must be getting their sea legs and feel confident enough to take on more business.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: AmazingJason on September 09, 2016, 06:27:31 PM
Hands down my go-to pizza place in Jackson Heights from now on.

Easily the best pizza in JH, by an insurmountable margin. Unless you include Louie's, which is really in Elmhurst. Unfortunately, I can't have it regularly since it's too far away. If it was in the 70s, it would blow Mario's and Due Fratelli's out of the water.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Rhino on September 11, 2016, 10:34:24 AM
Been twice, and the pizza was excellent both times
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Shelby2 on September 13, 2016, 09:15:17 AM
Article about Sac's in DNAinfo by Katie Honan

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160912/jackson-heights/authentic-new-york-pizza-comes-jackson-heights-with-sacs-place-opening
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: deja on September 13, 2016, 06:42:10 PM
Stopped in again, got a few slices to take out.  Once again, the pizza was excellent.

It looks like they've got some additional kitchen equipment further back.  They're also offering a couple of pasta specials today.  And, they just started delivering -- within a 10 block radius for now, but they expect to expand the delivery area as they get more people with transportation.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: AmazingJason on September 13, 2016, 09:23:34 PM
Stopped in again, got a few slices to take out.  Once again, the pizza was excellent.

It looks like they've got some additional kitchen equipment further back.  They're also offering a couple of pasta specials today.  And, they just started delivering -- within a 10 block radius for now, but they expect to expand the delivery area as they get more people with transportation.

This past Sunday, I planned to go to Pizza Boy for my weekly cheat meal, but I found that mentally, I could not do it anymore. I officially quit Pizza Boy, unless I need slices in a pinch.

The best analogy I could think of is that once you try high speed internet, you cannot go back to dial-up. I walked the extra 12 blocks for Sac's. I might as well. Life is too short.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Lilybell on September 14, 2016, 10:29:43 AM
That's impressive Jason. I am way too lazy to walk that far for pizza. But I look forward to trying it out when they start delivery service.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on September 14, 2016, 12:21:13 PM
I had a disappointing experience my 2nd time out.  My first visit, I got a slice to go, ate it on the street and was duly impressed by the flavors and the light crispy crust.  My second visit, I got a whole pie and walked the 8 blocks back to my apartment before digging in.  The crust was soft and chewy and the bottom of the pie was a soggy mess.  I think the crust was steamed in the pizza box and effectively ruined.  Next time........should I walk home with the pizza box open?  And, perhaps, toss the pie back in the oven for a couple of minutes to reheat.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: lalochezia on September 14, 2016, 12:26:21 PM
I had a disappointing experience my 2nd time out.  My first visit, I got a slice to go, ate it on the street and was duly impressed by the flavors and the light crispy crust.  My second visit, I got a whole pie and walked the 8 blocks back to my apartment before digging in.  The crust was soft and chewy and the bottom of the pie was a soggy mess.  I think the crust was steamed in the pizza box and effectively ruined.  Next time........should I walk home with the pizza box open?  And, perhaps, toss the pie back in the oven for a couple of minutes to reheat.  Any thoughts?

Thin pies don't do well in boxes, they do become floppy....... I had the same experience, and then.........the internet helped a lot. 

Take a big pan/skillet, heat it to medium heat, NO OIL. and put the slice(s) on there, bottom side down,  for 4-7 mins. Crisps the bottom up nicely again and restores integrity.....

this worked a treat both with sacs pizza that had steamed and pizza I left in the fridge.

Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: jackinjh on September 14, 2016, 01:04:17 PM
I went back 2 more times, had a chicken parm, wish the chicken is one whole piece not slice up. The other time I got a slice of Sicilian and Grandma, and I went next door bakery and bought an Argentinian beer, if only we have some outdoor seating that that will be great.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on September 14, 2016, 09:52:15 PM
Thanks for the advice lalochezia.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: dssjh on September 16, 2016, 01:29:53 PM
we got delivery last night - a medium pie with meatballs and one of the specialty toppings (grilled portobello mushrooms) -- and it arrived hot, crisp and nicely topped. not laden, not sparse. it also came more quickly than promised -- 30 minutes versus the quoted 45.

excellent sauce, excellent crust, fresh mozz. a couple bucks more than most local joints, but so worth it - and just about as good as Astoria (although i do taste a slight difference in the gas v. coal oven).
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: petster on October 04, 2016, 02:19:19 PM
Had lunch here today and wanted to say if you haven't tried this place yet your missing out. Had a pepperoni slice and a mama's old fashion. Best slice in Jackson Heights!  Looking forward to trying some of their specials.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Bailey on October 05, 2016, 07:16:36 AM
Can you sit and eat there, or is it take out only?
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Shelby2 on October 05, 2016, 08:45:25 AM
Can you sit and eat there, or is it take out only?

You can sit and eat.

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Image from Yelp
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: francis on October 12, 2016, 02:35:48 PM
I'm not a pizza lover unless I'm in Italy, but have to say that this place makes me feel like  I'm in Naples.  Delicious pizza with a crispy thin crust and all fresh ingredients.  Simple, "light" and fresh are what make this slice work!  Excellent pizza.  Gonna try a dinner from here next.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Bel84 on October 30, 2016, 10:47:33 AM
I have been going to Sacs in JH since it opened. I think their pizza is fantastic! However lately when I go in its empty. Maybe its the wrong time of evening or maybe the word isn't getting out about them. It would be a shame if they didn't make it because people didn't think to try them. As far as the seating there's about 12 tables. No it's not fine dining but it s a damn good pizzeria that you can sit in. They do have other things on the menu and it seems like it would grow if they had a following. Please try it. We need a good pizza place in the 80's and now we have one!
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: jeanette on October 30, 2016, 12:18:48 PM
I agree with Bel84 that Sac's is really good pizza and also noticed it being empty too often. I think they should do some street flyer-ing.

Here is their phone number, put it in your phone and place an order!

718-685-2623
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: pipman on October 30, 2016, 04:51:03 PM
Tried their pizza again, this time by the slice and agree it was probably the best in JH. It was empty when I picked up on a weekday night.  I tried calling for delivery the week before and couldn't get through.  Maybe they are doing a robust delivery business, or need a better system for answering phone orders.  Agree, they could use to do more promotion and hopefully business in the restaurant will pick up.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: dssjh on October 30, 2016, 05:18:35 PM
they seem to get a lot of delivery action (which is good), since i see delivery menus dropped inside my building regularly -- can't get inside unless someone lets you in, meaning a delivery.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: ClydeM on October 30, 2016, 08:27:05 PM
I live around the corner and I'm there at least twice a week. The pizza is great and the pasta specials that I've had have been excellent. Hopefully it's just a matter of time, but I see no reason that their shop should be completely empty at any point during the day.

Someone upthread wished them well but ominously mentioned that there are forces that would prevent the store from succeeding. I'd like to know what that person meant. They have an excellent product that is priced appropriately for the neighborhood, and considering the dismal quality of the other pizza joints in the neighborhood, it is a real bargain. I can't see any reason why they shouldn't do well.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: wallaby on October 30, 2016, 10:53:35 PM
if you're having difficult with their phone system, you can order online- they're now on Eat24, which is great!
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Lilybell on November 13, 2016, 09:40:35 AM
I finally tried this place last night and it was great.  I played it safe and ordered a regular cheese pizza because I wasn't sure how well the old fashioned one would travel for delivery. I really liked both the crust and sauce; very flavorful. My friend got the chicken parm sub and it was good - they used high-quality mozzarella and I liked that the chicken was baked instead of fried. 

I'm looking forward to working my way through their menu.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: dssjh on November 13, 2016, 06:19:19 PM
i tend to like the regular one better because it's a little cheesier. the old fashioned uses the naples-styled presentation of widely spaced dollops of mozz. still good, but i like a little more cheese.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Lilybell on November 14, 2016, 09:16:00 AM
More cheese is always a good thing.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: jeanette on November 14, 2016, 09:52:59 AM
I prefer less cheese, even no cheese. You can always ask for more cheese topping.

Wish they would put out a fully loaded veggie pizza, but I know that stuff just doesn't sell well enough to make the investment. My school made a fantastic vegan last semester, and got rid of it this semester claiming it didn't sell.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: Lilybell on November 14, 2016, 01:02:45 PM
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I prefer less cheese, even no cheese

Ha, my best friend in elementary school always took the cheese off of her pizza and I always made sure to sit next to her and eat her discarded cheese.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: CaptainFlannel on November 15, 2016, 07:11:26 AM
Echo Chamber.
Title: Re: Sacs coming to JH
Post by: bellabella on November 15, 2016, 08:07:42 AM
I prefer less cheese, even no cheese. You can always ask for more cheese topping.

Me too. I do not eat cheese. Maybe just ask them? Tufinnos in Astoria makes good vegan pies.


edited to separate reply from quote
Title: Sac's Pizza
Post by: Bel84 on January 25, 2018, 11:05:57 PM
I love, love, love Sac's pizza. Also their eggplant parm heroes. Yet I fear one day I will go over there needing a fix and find the door locked. There is never anyone inside, the owner seems really sad and the restaurant is looking shabby after just 1 year of business.
Any ideas on how to politely tell them that the food is great but place is unappealing, entrees are too expensive for the hood (although that food is great too) and that  since they are off the main shopping area (up by 86th) they have to do more outreach. Somehow they figured out how to succeed in Astoria. Everyone I know who has eaten there loves it and they would be a tremendous loss to the neighborhood.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: jo3boxer on January 26, 2018, 12:12:09 AM
i'd start by suggesting they market whatever pizza is supposed to be good. i've gone twice at two very different points of the year and their regular cheese pizza (what i always use as a barometer when trying a new pizzeria) was just not good.

Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: jewelz43 on January 26, 2018, 12:36:55 AM
I actually really like the pizza, must respectfully disagree, it's actually as good as all the hype suggested.

It's just a tough sell in the neighborhood, there are a ton of amazing options and bakeries nearby. And that spot is cursed, I'm sure of it!

I think they should maybe go a little bit harder on the decor, have it be more of a destination, instead of a takeout/wolf-it-down at a table spot. Doesn't have to be to fancy, but it seems like even Louie's is much more elegant. Or even just have more of anything in there, it's so sparsely decorated it feels like it could be the cafeteria at the school across the street.

I also think pretty much everyone that works there is really friendly and welcoming, and I think over the long term that will pay off, hopefully, as they build relationships with people in the neighborhood.

Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: JH3525 on January 26, 2018, 02:28:20 AM
I'm a one slicer and I won't walk 9 blocks each way regardless of how good the pizza is.  So for me its all about distance.  Whenever I walk by Pizza Boy (74th St), I'm angry that its not as second location for SAC's or Nick's (Forest Hills). 
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: Jeffsayyes on January 26, 2018, 08:39:58 AM
I've had highs and lows. High was a chicken francese or something eating in. low was a caesar salad and meatball too expensive and charged by the number of balls, respectively. I was giving it a chance. I want them to be a success. Sac's and Louie's are definitely not crap. I like Louie's and Louie more. Had the steak at Louie's the other month, it was on my bucket list for years. Was good.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on January 26, 2018, 09:20:57 AM
Location, location, location.  Move into the old Ingrid's space on the corner of 79th Street and 37th Avenue and turn it into a nice, old-fashioned sit down pizza joint a la Grimaldi's.  As it stands now, it is off the beaten path and sadly unwelcoming.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: wallaby on January 26, 2018, 09:37:43 AM
if the interior was more inviting, I wonder if they'd be up for offering beer and wine. It wouldn't take much...they could work with Table Wine or Addictive Wine Boutique to have just a few solid options available (similar what Espresso 77 does). profit margins are obviously better on alcohol than food, and it would encourage people to sit down and dine in.

Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: theplanesland on January 26, 2018, 09:42:58 AM
I'd also say, "not be on 86th Street." 86th is, like, the last block of Jackson Heights as I know it, and the Sac's market might be more in the 70s. (Yes, I know, JH extends to 90th or in some arguments Junction, but it gets seriously more downscale in the high 80s.)
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: fillmorep on January 26, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
I go there frequently for the wonderful homemade ravioli and agree with most of what's above. The interior is not welcoming, and the prices are high for this area. The location is not prime. But every time I am in there, people come and go, getting a slice or more. They just don't necessarily sit down.

So I wonder if business is as bad as some think. They might do enough takeout and delivery to make it. Many owners seems sad. It's a very hard business, totally exhausting. Just an idea...
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: amsci on January 26, 2018, 10:32:19 AM
Or maybe they just do more delivery rather than eat-in service?
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: dssjh on January 26, 2018, 10:32:35 AM
we get delivery all the time -- and now, will be ordering tonight, for sure. i had no idea they were hurting for business, and am really surprised. their round pies are by far the best in the area (we like Louie's sicilian a lot), and their entrees are excellent, too. i'd hate to lose the place.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: homeowner on January 26, 2018, 12:01:48 PM
The decor is a killer.  Just awful.  It wouldn't take much to up the atmosphere....warm paint on the walls, less severe lighting and a little art on the walls.  Look at Don Alex, Oceanic Boil, Black Thai - all inexpensively designed and welcoming.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: JH3525 on January 26, 2018, 12:38:30 PM
A while back one of the owners posted on Jackson Heights Life regarding a complaint from a customer so I'm certain they're reading all these comments which is important feedback to the owners. 
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: jackinjh on January 26, 2018, 01:33:46 PM
Their pizza is probably the best options in our neighborhood, but the worst location. I got two very bad experience with delivery, one time pizza is cold and wet, they did redeliver another one but that is like 2 hr later, another time the guy took over an hr and has no change on him. After that, we just end up doing pickup, but walking 10+ blocks kind of discouraging us to order there more frequent.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: Jeffsayyes on January 26, 2018, 04:35:04 PM
Location, location, location.  Move into the old Ingrid's space on the corner of 79th Street and 37th Avenue and turn it into a nice, old-fashioned sit down pizza joint a la Grimaldi's.  As it stands now, it is off the beaten path and sadly unwelcoming.


that'd be lovely but if Arepa Lady can't figure out a way to make it here, how could any other restaurant in that price range?
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: ClydeM on January 26, 2018, 04:45:26 PM
I worry constantly that Sac's will close. With the exception of Louie's, which is too far of a walk for me just to pick up a couple of slices, it really is far and above the other pizza places around here. With the bar set so low in this neighborhood I find it hard to believe that they aren't packed.

As far as the decor is concerned, it might be a bit bland but they do keep the place clean, which is more than I can say for most of the restaurants around here (not all). Thomas Pizza is disgusting all around, and so is Pizza Boy as far as I'm concerned. Both look like they haven't been cleaned since the late 70's.

Also, I don't think that their prices are too far out of line for the neighborhood.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: NYC Peromyscus on January 26, 2018, 06:16:46 PM
Same as dssjh. We order from there all the time but I've never been to the actual location (we live pretty far west of there).

They always deliver fast and pizza is still hot. Sad to hear they might be struggling. I like Louies more but delivery is sometimes an adventure.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: jeanette on January 26, 2018, 06:44:46 PM
I love Sac's. I want it to succeed. So I write this with trepidation:  Can it be that Sac's thin crust just doesn't hold up well to the traditional sitting-on-display-and-then-reheating for consumption later?

Awhile ago I commented on the harshness of red walls. I got used to them. I kind of like the family portraits on the walls. It is clean. The owner should put a smiling, welcoming face in the front. While the owner is extremely accommodating, that may not be enough for some people. Wear server's gloves, whether you believe in it or not. I wish they would turn the TVs  off and pipe in a little "o sole mio." (Really, full blown opera on those TVs would suit me just fine!) Wine would help greatly. I recommend the owner give a JHLifer discount by just mentioning a JHL post du jour. (I wanted their home-grown summer tomato salad but it was like 12 or 14 dollars.) We can help by posting our recommendations. Thank you to whoever praised the eggplant parmesan.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: Bel84 on January 26, 2018, 06:58:58 PM
So glad people answered my question about Sacs. Glad they seem to be doing a good delivery/takeout business. Hope they do read these comments and realize they  are written as a compliment to their food.  I really want them to succeed. For those of you who haven't been there: Try it, you'll like it!
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: dssjh on January 26, 2018, 07:29:41 PM
i have red walls in my apartment foyer and dining alcove, so.... :)
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: jeanette on January 26, 2018, 08:04:04 PM
i have red walls in my apartment foyer and dining alcove, so.... :)

...and you're not trying to sell your dinner!

but seriously, do you find you gulp down your food?

https://upserve.com/restaurant-insider/customer-loyalty-and-restaurant-colors/

There are loads of color psychology articles online, often conflicting one another. My fave Queens restaurant breaks the color rules, too: http://www.oneness-fountain-heart.com/gallery/
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: ClydeM on January 26, 2018, 08:10:01 PM
I wish they would turn the TVs  off and pipe in a little "o sole mio." (Really, full blown opera on those TVs would suit me just fine!)

Yeah, I dislike televisions in restaurants as well but I certainly wouldn't want them to embrace a tired and antiquated Italian American stereotype, which apparently (and oddly) still exists in NYC. Go figure.

At any rate, my experience has been that the food is well beyond solid. I rarely order entrées because I cook a lot but the dishes that I've tried have been very good, and much better than say, Uncle Peter's.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: ente on January 27, 2018, 05:53:37 PM
I think their oven and counter should be up front where you can see some of the offerings while passing by.  Sometimes if I see food I am more inclined to buy.  From the street, it is hard to tell what food they are selling. 
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: petster on January 27, 2018, 07:03:55 PM
Change their location.  The further down into the historic district the better they'd do.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: BennyB on January 30, 2018, 03:36:20 PM
Their pizza is great and I get it whenever I am nearby. Unfortunately that isn't very often...
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: Ms. Jackson on January 30, 2018, 04:09:56 PM
Sac's is my go-to for pizza delivery. I've never had an issue with the amount of time to wait. I have sometimes felt like the pizza wasn't cooked enough (I like a well done pie!), but since I've been asking them to make it well done, that hasn't been an issue.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: ptbass75 on February 05, 2018, 02:09:47 PM
 I had this same thought about a week ago. It was a Saturday night and I’m walking there to pick up a couple entries in a pie. Every restaurant I passed was packed. Even oceanic boil was probably 70% plus occupied. I get to Sacs and there’s literally no one there. Well, unless you count the owner who sitting down with a sandwich. I go and pick up my delivery, also noticing that it’s the only pie up there above the stove. I’m starting to get that thought it won’t make it.  Which would be a shame. Wouldn’t be the first above average pizza place that happens to as well. Anyone remember Paglicio on Northern?

There is a price point issue here as well. For example, we love the Caesar salad from Louies, they make their own dressing. The Caesar salad at Sacs is nowhere near as good and runs about $10. Way too expensive.  I’m also a huge chicken Parm fan and the one time I ordered it was not thrilled.  Truth be told I haven’t really been thrilled with it from Louise either as of late. The chicken has felt tough and/or A lesser quality.  Back to sacs,I did recently have their chicken cutlet with lemon and mushrooms and found the cutlets  great so maybe they’ve worked out some kinks? Egg plant Parm very solid.  The one time I had her meatballs they were OK.  Again, maybe an off night because if I remember the meatballs at Saks Astoria are amazing?  Would seriously love to know if anyone knows a great place to get meatballs in the neighborhood.

 One of my vegetarian friends pointed out that there mushrooms seem to be the canned variety. I think considering their price point they felt they should use fresh mushrooms and I think that’s why this particular family doesn’t order from there much. On the lemon chicken it did look like the canned variety. Strange, since some of their specialty salads they advertise is coming from their own garden.

 I think the lack of a bathroom is also a problem. Pizza night is great for families, but I’m not taking my family there if there’s no bathroom.

Here’s to hoping they pull through!
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: Di_11372 on February 05, 2018, 08:22:14 PM
I wish Sacs the best. I also think the mid to hi 80s location is tough , especially for any restaurant that is not latin quisine.
Paglicio Pizzeria on Northern was amazing.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: JH3525 on February 05, 2018, 09:32:18 PM
I have often wondered how Tomo's which is next door to Sac's has survived all these years.  I was a regular for years until Okawa opened 3 years ago just 1/2 block from my apartment. 

I can't believe that Sac's is not doing an incredible business considering its reputation and quality food and yet Thomas Pizza just 3 blocks away on 83rd Street is still in business.  I'm guessing that Sac's location on 86 Street is far less expensive than similar space on 76 Street and they felt they had the reputation to attract customers regardless of where they settled.   Sac is now open 16 months and I'm not certain what they can do to make it.  Imagine, no customers on a Saturday evening.  Not having a bathroom is a big minus especially for young families that ptbass75 mentioned.  Louie sure knew what he was doing when he opened directly across the Street from Elmhurst Hospital. 



Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: eddie on February 06, 2018, 04:05:14 PM
is Sacs actually struggling or is this just speculation? I order from there all the time and maybe that's most of their business. They are a bit overpriced though and I've noticed certain menu items are more expensive online then in store.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: Dodger on February 06, 2018, 04:24:16 PM
Yeah maybe the best thing we can do for Sac's is stop speculating about their demise.  My sense is neighborhood (non-fancy/destination) pizza and sushi places do most of their trade in delivery these days. Slightly forlorn restaurant spaces may not be a cause for concern.

Oceanic Boil is different because I think people prefer to eat a messy food like a seafood boil in the restaurant rather than bring it into the home.  And it helps that their crab and sauces are delicious and their service is really sweet and friendly. That place is a lot of fun.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: lalochezia on February 06, 2018, 04:30:00 PM
Yeah maybe the best thing we can do for Sac's is stop speculating

whoa there. without ill-informed speculation, this place would be a ghost town!
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: CaptainFlannel on February 06, 2018, 06:05:52 PM
I have often wondered how Tomo's which is next door to Sac's has survived all these years.  I was a regular for years until Okawa opened 3 years ago just 1/2 block from my apartment. 

I can't believe that Sac's is not doing an incredible business considering its reputation and quality food and yet Thomas Pizza just 3 blocks away on 83rd Street is still in business.  I'm guessing that Sac's location on 86 Street is far less expensive than similar space on 76 Street and they felt they had the reputation to attract customers regardless of where they settled.   Sac is now open 16 months and I'm not certain what they can do to make it.  Imagine, no customers on a Saturday evening.  Not having a bathroom is a big minus especially for young families that ptbass75 mentioned.  Louie sure knew what he was doing when he opened directly across the Street from Elmhurst Hospital.

Tomo is also better than Okawa. And that bakery next to Tomo always has people in it.

I don't know why everyone assumes being closer to the heart of the historic district is necessary for a restaurant to succeed. For all we know Sac's is pulling in tons of business from delivery. Have you guys failed to notice all the apartment buildings that surround the buildings these places are located? I like to know my food is being prepared nearby, so I'm going to give greater weight to the closer restaurant most of the time, especially if a long delivery time is going to affect the food (like pizza). We prefer Louie's, but I'll consider Sac's once in awhile (mostly on Sundays).
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: hfm on February 10, 2018, 01:26:21 PM
We are in the upper 70's and order from Sac's quite often. I wish they had a wood-fired coal brick oven like the Astoria location, but it's still good pizza.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: Simka on February 25, 2018, 09:02:06 PM
We are in the upper 70's and order from Sac's quite often. I wish they had a wood-fired coal brick oven like the Astoria location, but it's still good pizza.
I've ordered from there a few times but have never visited in person (I'm in the low 70s). I like the pizza, but a brick oven would be a plus!
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: missmarty on March 18, 2018, 09:54:39 AM
I think Sac's should market their pasta dishes more. They are delicious and home made.
They also do platters and cater. This is what could keep them in business during low sales at the counter/walk in business.

A bunch of new and good restaurants are in business here on the Upper East Side of JH.
I see a restaurant row coming. (Oceanic Boil, Bacchue, Wings Miller, Jackson Gyro)

Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: fillmorep on March 18, 2018, 05:31:35 PM
Totally agree about the homemade pasta. Truly a cut above. I am addicted to the mushroom ravioli.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: JH3525 on March 18, 2018, 06:24:09 PM
I just became aware of there $10.00 two course during the week $10.00 lunch special which I plan to take advantage of starting this week.  I love bargain lunch specials. 
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: jeanette on March 18, 2018, 08:30:08 PM
I think Sac's should market their pasta dishes more.
A bunch of new and good restaurants are in business here on the Upper East Side of JH.
(Oceanic Boil, Bacchue, Wings Miller, Jackson Gyro)

Not new, but popular: La Gran Uruguaya, Urubamba and Pollos A La Brasa Mario; Barilles and Margarita's, also.
Title: Re: What does Sac's have to do to get more business
Post by: CaptainFlannel on March 19, 2018, 02:51:14 PM
I remain surprised at how many people seem to think they know how successful the business is or isn't, based on...walking by the business sometimes.
Title: Sac's is no more
Post by: fillmorep on October 29, 2019, 09:29:20 PM
I called tonight to see if they are making their wonderful homemade pasta again, after a summer hiatus. The young man answering the phone told me this Sunday, or shortly thereafter, will be their last day. They aren't doing enough business to pay the rent at that location, even with busy weekends. They'll concentrate on the store in Astoria.

I love their pasta. even if it's pricey. It's homemade after all. I like the pizza too. They use quality ingredients and take pride in what they make. I will miss them.
Title: Re: Sac's is no more
Post by: lalochezia on October 29, 2019, 09:43:44 PM
that's a real pity.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: Ms. Jackson on October 30, 2019, 05:57:09 AM
This is sad news.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 30, 2019, 09:57:14 AM
I believe there is such a thing as "too much pizza".

La Famiglia closed @ the subway.

Sacs.

There are lots of pizza joints in the vicinity. Including new ones...(Amore)

Maybe too many?
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: ZzzzzZzzzzz on October 30, 2019, 10:46:17 AM
This is terrible news.  They are our go to.  And are much better than Mama Rosa's, in my opinion.  If only they had gotten that space instead....

Not sure what we are going to do now.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: the80s on October 30, 2019, 10:52:44 AM
Oh no. First Amigos Pizza and now this? Sac's was such a treasure. This is a huge bummer. :(
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on October 30, 2019, 10:53:33 AM
I simply cannot believe Jackson Heights could/would not support a great sit down pizza place like Grimaldi's or The B Side.  Sac's was yet another JH establishment that gave no thought to ambience.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 30, 2019, 11:15:43 AM
I simply cannot believe Jackson Heights could/would not support a great sit down pizza place like Grimaldi's or The B Side.  Sac's was yet another JH establishment that gave no thought to ambience.

I do agree with you concerning ambiance.  I'm not sure why many establishments around here don't realize how important ambiance is. In the rest of NYC, often, ambiance is everything!
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: dssjh on October 30, 2019, 11:51:36 AM
the most popular - and best - pizzerias in new york have zero ambience. Tottono, DiFara, to name two.

Grimaldi's is great. can't be duplicated here because those ovens are now banned. and people go their for the pizza, not the decor. B Side? not my thing, but a doppelganger could do well here -- as long as fans of the gourmet/non-traditional stuff are willing to visit frequently (i like pies like those, but they're an acquired taste).
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 30, 2019, 12:28:01 PM
the most popular - and best - pizzerias in new york have zero ambience. Tottono, DiFara, to name two.



Those places have an old New York ambiance. Authentic retro. Which is definitely an ambiance. Like Eisenbergs on 5th Ave (Flatiron) and B&H Dairy on 2nd Ave. Great ambiances.

If a newer pizza joint has no ambiance, they should charge $1 a slice pizza. Like in Midtown.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on October 30, 2019, 12:29:34 PM
Grimaldi's is not fancy, but most definitely has an ambience and a "feel" to it.  I actually preferred their older space that was a little grungier.  Sure, the B Side is a little nicer and their pizzas a little fancier......but, I would not call them an acquired taste.  They are simply delicious. 
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: KGDHP on October 30, 2019, 01:13:11 PM
I agree! I think I've said it before, now more than ever, it's easy for restaurants to create ambience with nice touches and finishes for much less. All it takes is some design savvy and research. Almost everything besides QB, Addictive, and newcomers Cafe Colombia and Parva look like a darn cafeteria. Shoot even Table Wine and Standalone have ambience!!!

Off topic, but how darn hard would it be for Sacs, Angel, Bamboo house to invest a little bit in making the place inviting, "chic," and an aesthetic step above flourescent lights and fake brick. COME ON GUYS!
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 30, 2019, 01:29:26 PM
I agree! I think I've said it before, now more than ever, it's easy for restaurants to create ambience with nice touches and finishes for much less. All it takes is some design savvy and research. Almost everything besides QB, Addictive, and newcomers Cafe Colombia and Parva look like a darn cafeteria. Shoot even Table Wine and Standalone have ambience!!!

Off topic, but how darn hard would it be for Sacs, Angel, Bamboo house to invest a little bit in making the place inviting, "chic," and an aesthetic step above flourescent lights and fake brick. COME ON GUYS!

Agree. Often the design of kitchens and apartments of folks I have visited in this neighborhood are way more appealing than the look of various restaurants. People have put much thought into the aesthetic ("ambiance") of their kitchens/apartments. And that means alot.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: toddg on October 30, 2019, 10:06:13 PM
Looks like they've closed their original location as well, and are getting a fresh start at Kaufmann Astoria Studios:

Sac’s Place Celebrates Grand Opening at Kaufman Studios (https://astoriapost.com/sacs-place-celebrates-grand-opening-at-kaufman-studios)
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: kmjh on October 31, 2019, 01:41:03 AM
I care more about how a pizza tastes.

Ambience is not edible.

It's a shame Sac's is gone. It was a go-to for thin crust for me around here.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 31, 2019, 09:59:47 AM
I care more about how a pizza tastes.

Ambience is not edible.

It's a shame Sac's is gone. It was a go-to for thin crust for me around here.

Yes, but if a venue can nail great ambiance PLUS excellent pizza....then it's a winner on all counts for EVERYONE.
And improves its chance of success.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: ZzzzzZzzzzz on October 31, 2019, 12:24:24 PM
Still disappointed about this.  Had they had been on Northern I wonder if it would have worked out because I know those rents are much cheaper.  If delivery is a pizza place's main income source, then being on the main drag of the neighborhood shouldn't matter as much.   

Can anyone recommend a serious contender for a back up to Sac's?  Fresh ingredients.  No canned mushrooms. Etc.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: dssjh on October 31, 2019, 12:48:47 PM
Louie's has the best Sicilian around, but Sac's was by far the best Neapolitan (and the cherry peppers were the best topping). we got delivery from them last night, and the gentleman who answered the phone seemed pretty touched by the outpouring of affection the place has been getting. and yes, the pie was as good as ever.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: pynchoff on October 31, 2019, 05:37:09 PM
Ambience doesn't matter much to me. DiFara's looks just like any other pizza place in Brooklyn. It just happens to have the best pizza in the city.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: pipman on October 31, 2019, 09:59:33 PM
Also sorry to see it go, had been by go to for ordering pizza--had its ups and downs, but most of the time good...and last weekend delivered the perfect pie with mushrooms--will have to place one more order before closing.  Why is getting a good pizza, a good bagel, and other staples of New York have to be do difficult in Jackson Heights.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: Lilybell on November 05, 2019, 11:52:11 AM
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Why is getting a good pizza, a good bagel, and other staples of New York have to be do difficult in Jackson Heights.

No kidding! My department had a bagel contest last week - everyone brought in 6 bagels from the top bagel place in their neighborhood and we had a blind taste test. I provided the cream cheese since our options are so mediocre.

In case anyone is curious, Old Brooklyn Bagel Shoppe was the winner (last year as well; it's an annual contest). 

Edited to add: I will miss Sac's - they were my favorite in the area.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: dssjh on November 05, 2019, 01:18:56 PM
a good bagel place would be wonderful. the bagels served at E77 are pretty good, but $3 for a plain bagel is a little steep. and JuJu's has really nice spreads and very good food, but the par-baked "bagels" aren't even as good as supermarket ones.

that said, Foodtown sells Bell's Bialys (in the refrigerator case next to the deli) and those are wonderful.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: ClydeM on November 05, 2019, 09:48:30 PM
I stopped by this evening to get a couple of slices and they had a sign outside stating that tomorrow would be their last day. This is a shame because I really liked their pizza, but it isn't entirely surprising to me. The cracked out stoner kid was constantly bad mouthing the neighborhood and the employees to anyone (mostly white people) who would listen and that pissed off some people. A friend of mine stopped going there because the kid would let loose a string of F-Bombs in front of his six year old daughter. Plus he started letting his dealer friends hang out there and that frighted some people away (see the thread that mentions the red scooter guy). The kid is an idiot and the owner (Dom?) never should have left him in charge. Still, I continued to go there several times a week because they made great pizza. Now I'll need to travel out of the neighborhood again for good pizza.

I suppose the two upsides are that I will lose some weight and perhaps the the dealers on 37th will find someplace else to go. I do, however, wish that the owner as able to stay at this location to keep things running straight. He is a nice guy, and I wish him the best, but he should get rid of that kid who was probably bad for the business in general.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: hfm on November 12, 2019, 10:01:31 PM
the most popular - and best - pizzerias in new york have zero ambience. Tottono, DiFara, to name two.

Grimaldi's is great. can't be duplicated here because those ovens are now banned. and people go their for the pizza, not the decor. B Side? not my thing, but a doppelganger could do well here -- as long as fans of the gourmet/non-traditional stuff are willing to visit frequently (i like pies like those, but they're an acquired taste).

Something like Tufino or Milkflower in Astoria would be fantastic. Something with a real wood fired oven, not this fake "brick oven" facade nonsense.
Title: Re: Sac's Pizza
Post by: antparty on November 13, 2019, 01:42:11 PM
since a couple posters mentioned DiFara’s, I thought I would mention that I went there a couple weeks back, right at noon when it opened, and there was no Dom. Rumor was he hadn’t been there for six months at that point. The pizza was bad. Square slice was burnt and hard as a brick. Plain slice was not much better. It was maybe his son running the kitchen? I might give the Williamsburg outpost a try, but the Midwood location is not for me anymore.