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Title: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: theplanesland on July 16, 2015, 08:31:41 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/realestate/a-jackson-heights-apartment-courtesy-of-a-kind-aunt.html?_r=0
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: Superclam on July 16, 2015, 08:48:07 AM
Oh, this old classic, revisited.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: elmonk on July 16, 2015, 09:04:41 AM
Wow, I read the article and thought the exact same thing.  Unfortunately, the title of this post sums the NYT article to a tee!  Great Job!
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: lalochezia on July 16, 2015, 09:18:59 AM
Don't worry - the Celery Stalk of Oppression and Tomato Juice of Tyranny will sort all of this out - soon.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: amsci on July 16, 2015, 10:58:45 AM
Why are people so big on brunch these days? Is it the drinking?
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: Lilybell on July 16, 2015, 10:59:38 AM
Why are we making fun of them for that comment?  I see the same thing written here all the time and people wrote joyful comments when they realized El Rinco Tinto was serving brunch.  They seem like very normal people who chose JH for the same reasons as many as us.

amsci, what do you mean?  Brunch has been a "thing" since the early 90s. 
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: Ms. Jackson on July 16, 2015, 11:03:40 AM
Vilifying them for wanting something many other people have expressed a desire for on this board is extremely mean spirited. Good for them for being so young and wanting to put down some roots. And good for us that they found Jackson Heights as charming as (I hope) all of us and chose to invest here. I wish I had enough focus and drive to know what I wanted at 25 years old. It would have saved me a few hundred thousand dollars on my apartment purchase.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: pixgirl on July 16, 2015, 11:07:39 AM
I think the true gem of the article was this line:

“Nothing is in English, and I kind of feel like I am on vacation.”

 ???
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: amsci on July 16, 2015, 11:08:01 AM
Yes, I understand that brunch is not a new concept. I know it's anecdata as best, but I noticed I've been reading/hearing more about brunch spots, people obsessing about brunch plans, etc. Not necessarily here, just in general, so I was curious.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: cultartist on July 16, 2015, 11:18:52 AM
I'm with Ms. Jackson on this.  There's really no need to be so snarky about the whole thing.  They love our neighborhood.  We love our neighborhood.  There are a few things they'd like to see added or changed and I'm sure everyone on here feels the same.  Personally, I don't care that much about a brunch spot--hey, I could eat breakfast at Rico Tinto every day and be very happy--but I'd certainly like to see another neighborhood bar or 2.  Anyway, I'm sure the subjects of the article will have a blast discovering all of the joys of Jackson Heights.  Welcome!
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: StevenGrey on July 16, 2015, 11:42:53 AM
Read this article on my iPad this morning and the brunch spot comment was the thing that stood out to me as well. And yes, I agree with the other commenters here that find it mean-spirited to be calling them out for that.

Truth is, not only do we lack good places for a brunch, but JH is also sorely lacking (ironically) in places with a rear garden or open air seating. Woodside, Sunnyside, and Astoria have boundless options in this regard. I just wish there were some local spots that I could get together and have a relaxing brunch with friends on a Saturday or Sunday...

and YES, bloody marys and mimosas ARE an important part of the brunch experience!   ;)
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: Cyril108 on July 16, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
Totally agree with StevenGrey.  Places on Northern are starting to have more places with back gardens including Bocaito and Juanitas.  So there is hope!
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: theplanesland on July 16, 2015, 12:54:44 PM
Why are we making fun of them for that comment?  I see the same thing written here all the time and people wrote joyful comments when they realized El Rinco Tinto was serving brunch.  They seem like very normal people who chose JH for the same reasons as many as us.

I mock those people on the board, too. I am internally consistent.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: theplanesland on July 16, 2015, 12:55:42 PM
I think the true gem of the article was this line:
“Nothing is in English, and I kind of feel like I am on vacation.”

Yes, like OMG OMG OMG.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: Ed on July 16, 2015, 01:34:50 PM
There's really no need to be so snarky about the whole thing.

But these are snark infested waters!
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: lmaniace on July 16, 2015, 02:09:45 PM
Kept reading the article to find out when the Bloody Mary was going to come up. Not exactly a major part of the story.
Anyways.... seems like a small sample size to assume that it’s a significant problem for that demographic. Never heard my kids or their friends raise the concern.
Personally, I’ve always liked brunches. Is there any reason to dislike a meal that is leisurely enjoyed?

Len
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: Superclam on July 16, 2015, 02:22:50 PM
I enjoy a nice brunch. But no Bloody Marys for me! (I miss the barfing emoticon.)
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: specanha on July 16, 2015, 02:42:03 PM
It's a misconception that JH lacks brunch spots -- we have dozens. But you will get other types of food in it, like empanadas, momos and dosas.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: Jeffsayyes on July 16, 2015, 03:56:34 PM
Actually read the article.
I'm sure they'll find more than a few places to have brunch by year's end.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: yt28 on July 16, 2015, 03:59:52 PM
They've lived in, and loved Astoria - plenty of brunch places there so there's no need to make the schlep all the way to Brooklyn just for eggs and Bloody Marys. I suspect the NYT writer just had to insert "Brooklyn" in the article somewhere.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: puri on July 16, 2015, 05:15:32 PM
It's a misconception that JH lacks brunch spots -- we have dozens. But you will get other types of food in it, like empanadas, momos and dosas.

I second this. And if anyone is willing to walk outside of Jackson Heights proper, there are a lot more options. If the definition of brunch food is egg and some carbohydrates, I suggest oyster omelette pancake at Taiwanese Gourmet or some roti and toast at Sugar Club and sit by the window. They don't serve bloody mary though.

Too bad, Plant Love House moved. Its old location had a backyard for seating.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: lmaniace on July 16, 2015, 05:39:12 PM
Also, she’s 24, a kid, still learning about grownup, sophisticated life in the big city.
She’s lucky she landed in JH; as someone else noted, she will have her gustatory horizons broadened here.
Glad I was never quoted in the Times at 24. LOL.

Len
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: JDinJH on July 16, 2015, 09:46:54 PM
Why the hostility?  I like brunch too.  Gives me a chance to start drinking early in the day in a socially accepting environment.  There should be more brunch spots everywhere! 

Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: hfm on July 16, 2015, 11:10:49 PM
Brunch is more about a social thing to do with friends on the weekend and an alternate menu to do it with. So what if it's popular, it's fun. I like that the menu is usually different and usually offers a mix of breakfast and lunch options. Not sure why people bemoan it. If it was some ethnic celebration every week everyone would be all over it. Somehow brunch has a bad rap as some yuppie thing when it's just a socializing thing that anyone can do.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: francis on July 17, 2015, 10:42:29 AM
Offensive title to this this thread. Lucky for us that  this is not  the vibe of our neighborhood.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: Ed on July 17, 2015, 12:24:43 PM
Just so I'm clear - does this mean that old, non-white people CAN get Bloody Marys?
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: hfm on July 18, 2015, 06:06:48 PM
I have to say I do want to barf at the guitar next to the retro turntable and the girl placing the record on the turntable. That lede image is ridiculously barf worthy posed shot. This coming from someone that owns and electric guitar and is considering buying a turntable for the vinyl I have in storage.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: sl on July 19, 2015, 10:08:09 AM
I have feeling they don't like living in JH but they had no choice because they can't afford Astoria or Brooklyn.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: theplanesland on July 19, 2015, 11:30:33 AM
Just so I'm clear - does this mean that old, non-white people CAN get Bloody Marys?

No, it means no older or non-white people were considered in the making of this article. Their presence in the neighborhood is considered an inconvenience or at best "exotic" by the New York Times Real Estate section, and hopefully soon to be rectified.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: JackM on July 19, 2015, 11:41:00 AM
Hey, I love Jackson Heights but it lacks some things I wish it had and maybe, in the coming years, it will.  I wish it had a park-- a real park.  Travers reminds me of an asphalt parking lot I used to hang out in when I was a kid.  It's not my idea of a park.  So much green space here is private.  We need more open public green space.  Also, A couple of Irish pubs wouldn't hurt.  Love all the So. American chicken places, Indian restaurants, Tibet, Thai (love Chinese Saw Shack) etc but it would be nice to have a couple pubs with good burgers etc.  And brunch with good bloody marys & mimosas would be great.  And restaurants with outdoor seating is non-existent.  I'd spend more money in the hood.  Who would not like a few of these things here?  Just sayin'
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: I live here too on July 19, 2015, 11:42:54 AM
many of the younger people moving into the neighborhood are of color or are in mixed race marriages or relationships. It's significant.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: mchafkin on July 19, 2015, 05:01:41 PM
WINE BAR! :)
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: ptbass75 on July 19, 2015, 07:07:55 PM
Snark infested waters!  Ed that's amazing!

There is a significant artery within this board that does run towards the snark. I even find myself sometimes curbing comments that could fall under the snark umbrella.   The post where it was mentioned that a neighbor felt adding a lawn to the new Travers Park plan seemed dated elicited an immediate snarky response (regarding the neighbor) that luckily never made it to print.

Back to the topic at hand, Jackson Heights currently has two places I know of that offer brunch with bloody Mary's. Those being Bocaito and La Gloria.  Does Armondos still do a brunch?

I would also suspect that Redge and Stew's upcoming restaurant would offer a brunch option, but they currently seem to be having some issues regarding obtaining  a liquor license.  No need to elaborate here, you can see that thread in the food section.

Phew, avoided a snarky comment.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: theplanesland on July 20, 2015, 09:51:58 AM
many of the younger people moving into the neighborhood are of color or are in mixed race marriages or relationships. It's significant.

And I love it when I see them represented in coverage of the neighborhood! I think it's a very attractive thing about JH that the neighborhood seems to be comfortable for people who are in multi-ethnic families, perhaps in part because of its extreme diversity.

It's just, I've said this before: as a very, very white person, one of the reasons I came to JH was to live in a context where upper-middle-class young white American or western European-born people were a minority who *had* to share space and preferences with lots of other kinds of people. And seeing what has happened to much of Manhattan, north Brooklyn, Long Island City, Astoria, etc. over the past 15 years, I see how fragile that situation can be, because it seems like when a certain number of upper-middle-class young white American-born people arrive in a neighborhood demanding their missing Bloody Marys at brunch (as opposed to arriving and saying, 'this is the kind of place we like, let's fit in here'), it tends to flip that whole neighborhood very powerfully over to their preferences.

This hasn't happened yet in JH, and I hope it continues not to happen, because JH is the environment I want to live in and want to raise my children in. (Maybe with more parks. Parks are good for all.) But pushing back against the tendency that we've seen in other neighborhoods is a key part of the process of it not happening. Therefore, the snark.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: lalochezia on July 20, 2015, 12:57:51 PM
many of the younger people moving into the neighborhood are of color or are in mixed race marriages or relationships. It's significant.

And I love it when I see them represented in coverage of the neighborhood! I think it's a very attractive thing about JH that the neighborhood seems to be comfortable for people who are in multi-ethnic families, perhaps in part because of its extreme diversity.

It's just, I've said this before: as a very, very white person, one of the reasons I came to JH was to live in a context where upper-middle-class young white American or western European-born people were a minority who *had* to share space and preferences with lots of other kinds of people. And seeing what has happened to much of Manhattan, north Brooklyn, Long Island City, Astoria, etc. over the past 15 years, I see how fragile that situation can be, because it seems like when a certain number of upper-middle-class young white American-born people arrive in a neighborhood demanding their missing Bloody Marys at brunch (as opposed to arriving and saying, 'this is the kind of place we like, let's fit in here'), it tends to flip that whole neighborhood very powerfully over to their preferences.

This hasn't happened yet in JH, and I hope it continues not to happen, because JH is the environment I want to live in and want to raise my children in. (Maybe with more parks. Parks are good for all.) But pushing back against the tendency that we've seen in other neighborhoods is a key part of the process of it not happening. Therefore, the snark.

I really respect your well-thought out answers and perspective TPL.  I hope that both clued (and clueless!) brunch-gentrifiers - and other new and existing residents can get something out of the neighborhood that satisfies them........without either stultifying stasis, homogenization or massive cultural displacement being the outcome. I would love to add my efforts to anyone chasing those goals intelligently and strategically.

I will refrain from my usual (snarky) tirade involving the initials WB.

For those interested (warning: interviews with professors and a quite readable sociology paper) some perspectives on gentrification.

http://www.urbanistchronicle.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=219&Itemid=176


Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: SamInNY on July 20, 2015, 01:15:37 PM
Thanks lalochezia. Interesting links.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: I live here too on July 20, 2015, 01:56:12 PM
When I first came to JH in 2006, my husband was one of the 5 percent of people who was not Hispanic, Caucasian or Asian. He is black. Neighborhood people would speak to him in Spanish and when he explained that his family was from a English speaking Caribbean island, they would tell him that he was lying and that he was ashamed to be Hispanic. That was not cool. My neighbors would tell me to get out because I was not Hispanic and Jackson Heights was only for Hispanic people.  I am not making this up nor exaggerating.  I now live in a different building which has many mixed everything (race, sexual orientation etc.) families. What a relief that was. There is no law that you have to be any one thing here. This is NYC. My family came to NYC with the potato famine, mother grew up in Corona, and I think I have a right to choose where I want to live. I choose someone from a different background than myself to marry and yet we have many things in common. (education etc.)

 And young people are coming to JH for affordable real estate. If they make a financial commitment to living here, there is no crime in wanting a place to have  brunch, complete with bloody maries.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: I live here too on July 20, 2015, 02:14:34 PM
My point being that I am not an interloper. I just live her too.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: Ro on July 20, 2015, 02:16:54 PM
Very much agree, I live here too! IMO, snarking on this couple, who are our ACTUAL NEIGHBORS, is pretty bad form. I would imagine if they've read here, or been told about the posts in this topic, they may not be feeling as happy about our neighborhood these days. Nice work.  >:(

BTW, I grew up in Jackson Heights and am raising my child here. While I love the many diverse food options in our neighborhood like the sublime fish empanadas at La Esquina Del Cameron, I also love fancy egg dishes with good bloodys.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: cultartist on July 20, 2015, 03:06:20 PM
well put, Ro.  They seem really nice, they seem to really like it here and it makes me sad to think they might check out this post and feel like they're unwelcome or met with suspicion or derision.  Bad form indeed.

Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: I live here too on July 20, 2015, 03:16:37 PM
My husband, who spent his childhood in the Caribbean, loves brunch too. He also likes roti, because he grew up eating it. He is not Indian, but his favorite type of food is Indian. and his favorite dish, eggplant parm.  My point is that he can like many things and not betray who is.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: theplanesland on July 20, 2015, 03:24:51 PM
My point being that I am not an interloper. I just live her too.

You live here too. Yes. They, on the other hand, appear to feel like they are on vacation. As pixgirl says. Yikes. What does that make us, the colorful natives? Oh right, they used the word "colorful."

I totally understand how they could have been misrepresented by the NYT reporter. But hopefully it will lead them to understand how much it means to some of us who live here to -appreciate- our neighborhood rather than alternately exoticizing it and complaining about why it isn't more like Brooklyn.

They're REALLY YOUNG. I said a lot of dumb things when I was really young. I get that. Nobody is fixed, nobody can't change, nobody can't grow, hopefully nobody can't learn. Including me! Constantly.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: I live here too on July 20, 2015, 04:16:10 PM
Unless you grew up in Jackson Heights, just about everyone said similar things about the diversity of this place. Actually just look at the postings about the parades, food etc. After a year or so, it loses some of it's novelty. I lived in a working class neighborhood in the Bronx for thirty years but not in an exclusively Spanish neighborhood. My husband and I have been to Brazil many times on vacation and eaten their version of the empanada. When I first moved here (at the age of 43) and could find empanadas everywhere, it was very novel, like when I was on vacation to Brazil or Argentina. Is that dumb or insulting? No, actually it shows an appreciation for things that are different. Yes, she wishes she could have bloody maries in her own neighborhood in NYC, but she's not dissing the place. I think I've seen the term colorful used appreciably on this message board. Maybe I'm missing something.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: sl on July 20, 2015, 04:19:25 PM
When I first came to JH in 2006, my husband was one of the 5 percent of people who was not Hispanic, Caucasian or Asian. He is black. Neighborhood people would speak to him in Spanish and when he explained that his family was from a English speaking Caribbean island, they would tell him that he was lying and that he was ashamed to be Hispanic. That was not cool. My neighbors would tell me to get out because I was not Hispanic and Jackson Heights was only for Hispanic people.  I am not making this up nor exaggerating.  I now live in a different building which has many mixed everything (race, sexual orientation etc.) families. What a relief that was. There is no law that you have to be any one thing here. This is NYC. My family came to NYC with the potato famine, mother grew up in Corona, and I think I have a right to choose where I want to live. I choose someone from a different background than myself to marry and yet we have many things in common. (education etc.)

 And young people are coming to JH for affordable real estate. If they make a financial commitment to living here, there is no crime in wanting a place to have  brunch, complete with bloody maries.

They actually got away with telling you to leave JH because you are not Hispanic?
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: I live here too on July 20, 2015, 04:33:48 PM
What could I do?  It was upsetting to but they didn't threaten me with bodily harm.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: sl on July 20, 2015, 05:18:02 PM
What could I do?  It was upsetting to but they didn't threaten me with bodily harm.

File a complaint or something but don't take this kind of racist harassment quietly.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: I live here too on July 20, 2015, 06:08:58 PM
I'm going to assume this is some type of joke.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: fafacious on July 20, 2015, 07:24:15 PM
My point being that I am not an interloper. I just live her too.

You live here too. Yes. They, on the other hand, appear to feel like they are on vacation. As pixgirl says. Yikes. What does that make us, the colorful natives? Oh right, they used the word "colorful."

I totally understand how they could have been misrepresented by the NYT reporter. But hopefully it will lead them to understand how much it means to some of us who live here to -appreciate- our neighborhood rather than alternately exoticizing it and complaining about why it isn't more like Brooklyn.

They're REALLY YOUNG. I said a lot of dumb things when I was really young. I get that. Nobody is fixed, nobody can't change, nobody can't grow, hopefully nobody can't learn. Including me! Constantly.

I don't care if someone wants a Bloody Mary.  It seems more important to address the quote pixigirl cited - “Nothing is in English, and I kind of feel like I am on vacation.” That was what really bothered me about the article.  Thank you, theplanesland, for articulating the point better than I could have.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: Di_11372 on July 21, 2015, 07:42:26 AM
The young couple are almost kids, early 20s , give them a break! I give that girl credit for choosing this 'hood  to buy her first place at her age, I wonder if she'll last here, it's obviously a challenging neighborhood for 20 somethings.

The fault lies with the NYT, they should have edited out a few lines...
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 21, 2015, 08:16:07 AM
This article serves to remind us that being young is awesome...when life is an adventure...
And that's how this gal is approaching Jackson Heights...

That's the beauty of being young. 
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: Ed on July 21, 2015, 08:33:25 AM
Just a reminder, if your first language isn't Setalcott, then you've changed this "neighborhood" to be more what you want it to be.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: theplanesland on July 21, 2015, 09:11:21 AM
Just a reminder, if your first language isn't Setalcott, then you've changed this "neighborhood" to be more what you want it to be.

What is a Setalcott? I feel like this is supposed to be a burn, but I can't understand the fire.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: Ro on July 21, 2015, 09:34:42 AM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=setalcott+tribe
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: puri on July 21, 2015, 11:47:07 AM
Just a reminder, if your first language isn't Setalcott, then you've changed this "neighborhood" to be more what you want it to be.

I doubt anyone who moves here because he/she likes Jackson Heights as it is will change this neighborhood to the same degree as people who come here and want something different on the first day. Whether you think gentrification is good or bad, this is a classic case of it.

Anyway, I hope my brunch suggestion above doesn't sound snarky. Although the couple's comments feel funny, I blame it on NY Times real estate section, which also rarely publishes the opinions of newcomers of different backgrounds/demographics.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: toddg on July 21, 2015, 06:13:46 PM
Ed, I liked your Setalcott comment.   I grew up near Setauket, which derives its name from this tribe.  I'm not sure of their original geographic extent, but I think even they would been migrants to this area!
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: Christopher on July 22, 2015, 10:50:23 PM
Look everything changes. Young people who move to the area want brunch and a bloody mary, big deal. Young people in Harlem, Bed-Stuy, Astoria... want brunch. This is not about race. Brunch, a wine bar, a French bistro, a cheese shop, are these more strange than the unfathomable amounts of random dollar stores, hoochie mama clothing stores, and "sports bars" in this neighborhood. Young people making our property values go up, the nerve.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: Ro on July 23, 2015, 09:34:08 AM
It's much easier to find a bloody mary brunch in Harlem than Jackson Heights.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: wk067781 on July 23, 2015, 09:45:07 AM
I just want planes to fly less over the neighborhood
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: theplanesland on July 23, 2015, 10:28:28 AM
I just want planes to fly less over the neighborhood

We all agree on that. There's another thread for that.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: CaptainFlannel on July 23, 2015, 02:10:00 PM
I guess the folks in this avenue haven't been down to the decent sized natural food store on 37th Avenue between 85th & 84th. There's a couple of bars that look like they'd serve bloody mary's on Northern. I'd be all for a couple brunch spots. The weird thing in this neighborhood is that it seems like almost every restaurant has a TV. Why? It is so annoying and distracting.
Title: Re: NYT: Young white people can't get their Bloody Marys
Post by: wk067781 on July 23, 2015, 04:18:13 PM
I just want planes to fly less over the neighborhood

We all agree on that. There's another thread for that.

Sorry I bothered you with my opinions