Jackson Heights Life

Get Connected => Neighborhood Chat => Topic started by: Joseph on March 16, 2015, 10:17:44 PM

Title: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Joseph on March 16, 2015, 10:17:44 PM
What is the deal with the planes tonight? I don't think I have ever heard them flying on a weeknight before...

[Moderator's Note: This is a continuation of an ongoing discussion about airplane noise.   Part 1 is here (http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=768.0).]
Title: Re: Re: Planes taking off At 5:30
Post by: carrefour_ny on March 16, 2015, 10:23:43 PM
Well, actually, this has been happening nightly for the past week. Keep filing those complaints.
Title: Re: Re: Planes taking off At 5:30
Post by: flt on March 16, 2015, 10:24:46 PM
The planes were incredibly loud starting this past Saturday at 6am and they just started again at 10pm.

Here's the information to complain to Port Authority, for those who are also bothered:

 The telephone number is 1-800-225-1071.

Website:  http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/
Title: Re: Re: Planes taking off At 5:30
Post by: Shelby2 on March 16, 2015, 11:19:34 PM
I have started making targeted complaints about specific flights.  The directions are more or less here http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=12666.msg60218#msg60218
You might have to read some instructions to figure it all out, but it's actually kind of interesting.  You can put in your home address and track flights (have to wait 20 minutes after a noisy one goes over in order to figure out which flight it was) and then see how close it was to your home at it's closest point.

I'm planning to put in a complaint for tonight, but luckily there were only 5 or so flights that I actually heard tonight, so it really wasn't too bad.
Title: Re: Re: Planes taking off At 5:30
Post by: Shelby2 on March 16, 2015, 11:23:52 PM
Regarding the noise this past Saturday 3/14/15, I just noticed this message come up in the WebTrak application I posted a link to above:

- LGA

Runway 13/31 will be closed on 3/14/15 from 6:00 AM to 6:00 PM for monthly runway repairs and construction subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.


I guess they fixed the runway early, since the noise was only in the morning as far as I can recall.
Title: Re: Re: Planes taking off At 5:30
Post by: Shelby2 on March 16, 2015, 11:37:50 PM
This is what the Webtrak site looks like.  I had already entered my home address, so the home icon shows where I am.  This lists a plane that came by at 10:19 having a "point of closest approach" of 1631 feet.  There is another small window that pops up (not shown in this image) where you can click on the flight number to lodge your complaint.

Keep in mind you do have to wait 20 minutes and then click "historical" and input the time you want to start tracking.  So if the noisy plane is at 10:20, then wait til at least 10:40, then go into historical mode and enter 10:20 for the time.

(http://i.imgur.com/hGJLpK1.jpg)
Title: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: Shelby2 on April 18, 2015, 06:11:33 AM
There's a runway closure today 4/18/15 at LGA

http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4

Runway 13/31 will be closed from 4/18/15 6:00 AM to 4/19/15 12:00 PM for extension of Rwy 13 deck, removal of signs, electrical, maintenance and paving repairs subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: temujin on April 18, 2015, 06:21:37 AM
Is that why the planes are going non stop since got I woke up by it around 5 AM.
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: Shelby2 on April 18, 2015, 06:23:04 AM
Is that why the planes are going non stop since got I woke up by it around 5 AM.

Yes, I think so.  I didn't hear them til 6 am.
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: temujin on April 18, 2015, 06:49:10 AM
Thanks for the link is very helpful and allow us to file a complaint with the detail of the aircraft and flight info (not sure if it works oh well).

Not sure if it is all the planes being shown on the map, certainly we heard it every few minutes while the site only show like few in hour.
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: lmaniace on April 18, 2015, 08:44:13 AM
Would be nice if the Port Authority would give people a heads up when are going to do that. At least you could prepare for it by closing the windows and turn on a fan or AC to reduce the noise little.
But that requires a little respect for people by an agency known for lacking that.
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: lalochezia on April 18, 2015, 08:49:46 AM
Would be nice if the Port Authority would give people a heads up when are going to do that. At least you could prepare for it by closing the windows and turn on a fan or AC to reduce the noise little.
But that requires a little respect for people by an agency known for lacking that.

+1 this!!!
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: buzz on April 18, 2015, 09:23:15 AM
I guess this is part of the plan as LGA is looking to become a bigger airport - it used to only be for domestic flights and is now listed as an international airport
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: earbears on April 18, 2015, 10:49:24 AM
You can still hear the planes with the windows closed, a/c on and TV on.
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: dssjh on April 18, 2015, 01:14:02 PM
I guess this is part of the plan as LGA is looking to become a bigger airport - it used to only be for domestic flights and is now listed as an international airport

i don't know how much more they can add. i have a friend in east elmhurst who's much closer to the airport, and from there, you can see planes literally every minute. it was never meant to handle the capacity it has now, even.

i don't think they can actually add overseas flights....the runways are too short for those planes. maybe they're fudging by saying 'canada is international, we can fly to montreal from here....'
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: homeowner on April 18, 2015, 07:18:56 PM
Timing the outbound flights today - planes every 90 seconds.
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: dssjh on April 18, 2015, 07:56:08 PM
that's about right. around 1100 total flights scheduled  per day, figure 550 of those as takeoffs. when they go over the bronx, it's clearly less intrusive for us. but as buzz said here, it's too much.
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: theplanesland on April 18, 2015, 09:18:17 PM
I guess this is part of the plan as LGA is looking to become a bigger airport - it used to only be for domestic flights and is now listed as an international airport

No, that's just because it has flights to Canada, which it has always had. There's no plan to introduce transatlantic flights from LGA.

It's actually funny when you go down to Texas there are some podunk airports that are "international" because they have a flight to Mexico.
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: mchafkin on April 18, 2015, 10:20:17 PM
"international" in an airport just means that they have customs/immigration officers on site. LGA runways aren't long enough for coast-to-coast flights, let alone flights to europe or elsewhere.
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: Shelby2 on April 19, 2015, 12:51:46 PM
Extremely quiet today!  Guess they finished up all the runway work yesterday.  :)
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: petegart on May 07, 2015, 06:07:32 PM
Hi All,

The Queens Quiet Skies folks will give a talk May 17th 10am at the Farmers Market. Spread the word. The noise from LGA has been particularly bad as of late, as I'm sure you have noticed. Passing on the word.
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: wk067781 on May 11, 2015, 10:32:26 AM
Honestly do these talks do anything? I mean I submit a complain online every time but it just gets worse.
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: Lilybell on May 11, 2015, 11:37:13 AM
Honestly, I have no idea if they work but I can't agree that the planes are getting worse - I think they've been better than usual lately. 
Title: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: abu benuska on May 16, 2015, 12:15:46 PM
Today the noise is bad. If it bothers you, please do file a complaint here electronically here:
http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/

It takes 30 seconds.
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: Miss Chatelaine on May 16, 2015, 12:29:16 PM
Thanks! I had just signed on to look for that link.
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: francis on May 16, 2015, 12:43:48 PM
For those of you NOT concern or bothered by the noise.........think of the thousands of gallons of gas fumes that are being poured over the air you breathe. Totally outrageous that this is allowed to happen.
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: theplanesland on May 16, 2015, 03:01:42 PM
For those of you NOT concern or bothered by the noise.........think of the thousands of gallons of gas fumes that are being poured over the air you breathe. Totally outrageous that this is allowed to happen.

I have submitted my complaint. It started at 6:30 sharp and woke me up.
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: wk067781 on May 16, 2015, 05:55:40 PM
I wonder how long until this becomes a daily thing
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: Shelby2 on May 16, 2015, 06:30:34 PM
I wonder how long until this becomes a daily thing

It still seems like a once-per-month thing.  The last time was 4 weeks ago, also on a Saturday.  I do think like you, though -- it's important to complain every time it happens so they don't think the residents are actually ok with the noise.

This runway closure is supposed to last til noon tomorrow 5/17/15.  http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: dssjh on May 16, 2015, 07:23:24 PM
i've been here for 19 years, and there are years when it's more prevalent than others. this spring/summer, so far, is a bad one. i agree that it's important to complain, but, not to beat a dead horse, until we invent planes that can shoot straight up like rockets, one area or another will be affected by takeoffs from LGA. we tend to get pummeled two days every three or four weeks. our neighbors to the north and east get pummeled the other 25 days. i'll take two days versus 25. and no airplanes is really not an option for nyc. any more than no cars pr no subways.
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: hfm on May 16, 2015, 07:56:22 PM
Yeah, I find it ridiculously annoying as well, but what are they supposed to do? If they have to close a runway for maintenance they have to divert the traffic somehow.

I tell you, every time i'm over in the shopping strip where the Waldbaum's is, there are planes low flying over that neighborhood all day every day. I don't know how they do it.
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: chagerty on May 16, 2015, 08:02:33 PM
yes! thank you for posting the link.  my complaint is submitted, and we have a flyer in our building encouraging others. Thanks!
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: Miss Chatelaine on May 16, 2015, 08:12:23 PM
 
our neighbors to the north and east get pummeled the other 25 days.


It seems like there is a body of water to the north and east though that would serve as a buffer zone for the brunt of it before the planes get over those neighborhoods, whereas we just get the full force. I'm not saying it's ok that others suffer instead of us, I just wonder if there's a difference.

I don't think the Port Authority gives two figs about the noise on the ground, though I agree its very important to submit complaints every time anyway. I think we should be asking for some kind of compensation, that would at least get more of their attention. :)
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: abu benuska on May 17, 2015, 07:33:14 AM
This time has been different, the noise went on till very late Saturday, overnight and, so far, it's happening very early Sunday (4am, 6am).
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: flt on May 17, 2015, 07:43:56 AM
I can literally look out and see the planes fly down my block, so it has not been a once a month thing for me. I've complained eight times in the past two months, and I was away one of the weekends. It's started occurring late at night, as well.

My sick child has woken up before 6 am both days this weekend, due to plane noise. It's totally not acceptable.
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: flt on May 17, 2015, 07:48:52 AM
Lodged another complaint this morning and wrote to Cuomo. Will write to Schumer and Gillibrand.
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: paran on May 17, 2015, 08:15:51 AM
Just submitted the complaint.

Some of the planes were flying so low that the noise was just too overwhelming. Even though the descent trajectory may not be unavoidable due to a LGA runway closure, airplane altitude can be partly controlled.
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: Chingwa on May 17, 2015, 10:53:34 AM
jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs.  We're going to concrete the world in the name of "jobs".  I think the more compelling argument is that there is a huge demand for having the airport right where it is, just like the article in the other airport thread stated.  Even the nicest airport in the world (and I've seen and enjoyed a few that might qualify myself) is still an airport.

I chose to live in Jackson Heights, and the recent change in noise sucks, but the pattern has been fairly consistent over the past 15 years.  The airport was here long before most of us, and was put where it was put for a reason.  Sometimes convenience comes with some inconvenience.

That being said, I agree with filing complaints anytime/everytime the traffic changes affect your eardrums.  There may not be an adequate solution to this problem, but we don't want those in the regulating jobs to forget that we are part of the story.
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: hfm on May 17, 2015, 11:33:50 AM
Just submitted the complaint.

Some of the planes were flying so low that the noise was just too overwhelming. Even though the descent trajectory may not be unavoidable due to a LGA runway closure, airplane altitude can be partly controlled.

There's only so far these things can climb in the very small distance between here (talking like 37th ave...) and LGA. I did notice this morning that the path they were taking was the loudest I had heard yet over the two day span. It seemed like it anyway. I was even feeling the deep rumble this morning where I hadn't the previous day. Lets make no mistake though, Saturday was an onslaught for an area that typically doesn't bear the brunt of the noise.

I mean if it's at least predictable, you can make your home buying / apartment renting decision going in with eyes wide open. For us, if they change the pattern and suddenly we're dealing with this consistently I would imagine the value of our apartment is going to drop, as well as the state of our health. We never would have bought in a spot where we knew it was going to be an ongoing issue and not a rare incident.
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: dssjh on May 17, 2015, 01:42:13 PM
when we bought our first place here, in 1996, our broker worked for a realty in the strip next to Waldbaum's. with that as our base for looking, we saw and heard just how low and loud planes could be. we asked about regularity/annoyance, and she gave us a thumbnail look at how often we could expect it -- while acknowledging it could be horrible at times.
my current place, the second i've lived in since 96, is on 35th in the mid 70s. the planes bank directly above our block and can be deafening. been sick all weekend, so the situation was particularly annoying this weekend. does it make me think twice about living here? no. has it dissuaded the four or five friends i've had move here from brooklyn/manhattan? no.  different strokes, i guess.
Title: Re: Runway closure LGA today
Post by: dssjh on May 17, 2015, 01:43:40 PM
complaints are good. i file at least two or three car alarm ones per week. does no good, but at least i've done something.
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: HAMjacksonheights on May 17, 2015, 07:22:54 PM
The planes were very loud this morning flying over 74/35th, I rarely hear it on 80/35th where I also live. I met a lady in JuJu's this morning-she is not on this board but she is very adamant with getting this taken care of, I believe she has submitted hundreds of letters to councilman/senators but to no avail...

It doesn't bother me that much, granted I wake up early regardless plus my summer home is near JFK's flight paths so I can't win but I will sign the complaint too. It seems that most of the planes this morning were business jets..

Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: abu benuska on May 18, 2015, 11:18:13 PM
Sunday representatives from Queens Quiet Skies were at the farmers market collecting signatures and distributing folders with information about plane noise.

Here, their slides explaining why noise increased: http://queensquietskies.org/a-primer-on-airplane-noise-in-new-york-city/

They also posted this number that you could call to complain: (800) 225-1071

It's as going to PA's site on this link: http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/qs114wbt.php

Finally, on this link you can track flight paths over the neighborhood, noise levels in one meter in JH area (ha!) and see planned runway closures: http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: katch on June 02, 2015, 06:12:28 PM
We're starting to notice the plane noise more and more now.  Started filing complaints on the port authority website.  We live on the 6th floor of a building on 72nd and 34th - very bad plane noise.  Too early and too late too!  Last night the noise was till 2:30am, not loud but still annoying. 

We lived on 82nd and 37th before and it's definitely less noticeable there.  Does anyone else have this issue and want to file some sort of petition? 

Thanks.
Title: Re: Plane noise May 16 weekend
Post by: twmeb on June 17, 2015, 10:15:39 PM
Just gonna put this complaint link out here again:

http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/

Low flights have been flying over my building every 2 minutes for the past 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Notirk on June 18, 2015, 05:51:21 PM
Thanks for reposting the link. I made a complaint.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: francis on June 18, 2015, 06:06:32 PM
The noise was happening last night well after 10pm. Nuts! I made a complaint as well
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Formosa on July 18, 2015, 07:19:17 AM
Like clockwork, I must urge my neighbors to please take the time to lodge their complaints at:

http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/

Thank you.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: normart on July 18, 2015, 08:23:02 AM
 >:(Airplanes this AM-woke me at 5:15
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Cyril108 on July 18, 2015, 09:32:41 AM
Same here.  The other runway (13/31) is closed for repairs until noon tomorrow.  So the same thing will happen tomorrow morning.  It is important to post complaints about the noise so please take the time to do so. 

http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Jeffsayyes on July 18, 2015, 10:26:11 AM
I was woken up at nearly 630am. Were they really that early at 515?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on July 18, 2015, 10:36:51 AM
woke me around 6:30, too. but can we really close totally or cut flights by half when repairs are going on?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: francis on July 18, 2015, 01:01:58 PM
Kept me up last night as well. After 10pm there was airplane noise. Is that REALLY necessary?....with or without repairs.  What really bothers me more ( as if the noise every minute isn't enough to drive you crazy) are the fumes being poured down on us. It poses a real health hazard, especially for the elderly and children.  I keep sending complaint after complaint with no resolution in sight.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 18, 2015, 01:06:39 PM
This airplane noise is a nightmare.

And impossible to live with. 

The only solution I have found... is to leave the neighborhood for as long as I can... while these deafening airplanes are re-routed over our heads.



Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on July 18, 2015, 01:22:52 PM
What really bothers me more ( as if the noise every minute isn't enough to drive you crazy) are the fumes being poured down on us.

What "fumes"?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: zubloop on July 18, 2015, 01:38:23 PM
Re: fumes: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/10/101005-planes-pollution-deaths-science-environment/

This is from 2010, but it is a good overview of the environmental impact from plane emissions. If there is any good news for Jackson Heights, it is that the most damage, according to this study, is not in areas closest to the airports.

Between this and the noise, even more reason to lodge complaints.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on July 18, 2015, 02:05:22 PM
So, across the US, 450 people per year are projected to die early deaths from flight-related pollution.

Compare this to the TOTAL in the USA of 200,000 early deaths per year from air pollution!

Less than 0.3% of the deaths due to air pollution are due to aviation.

 http://www.voanews.com/content/air-pollution-linked-to-early-death/1739804.html

Similar likelihoods occur with health impacts. Essentially negligible.

The badly tuned diesel garbage truck or delivery lorry idling on your street ONE time probably exposes you to more PM50s than all the flights out of LGA combined.

One ship which runs spectacularly dirty diesel engines that are not controlled due to the vagaries of maritime law probably puts out more PM50s than Delta's entire fleet at LGA.

Sorry; "fumes" are not a real issue for us in JH. They are way down the list for virtually anyone else in comparison with other sources of pollution.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: waves on July 18, 2015, 07:29:19 PM
Jet fumes are full of benzene and many other dangerous particulates, which cause cancer, asthma, and COPD, among other diseases. Here's one study from Boston's Logan Airport: http://www.universalhub.com/2014/study-finds-elevated-lung-problems-near-logan
I smell the fumes in Jackson Heights often when the planes are frequent and low (and loud).

Today's horrible, all day/evening barrage of extreme, repetitive noise of airplanes flying unnecessarily low, loud and frequent, so close to our rooftops, should be illegal. It's damaging in so many ways. I fill out the Noise Complaint very often. The FAA's new NEXT GEN computer system has fairly recently been programmed to skim our neighborhood rooftops (and nature areas) now, and groups all over the country are fighting them, and some are winning, such as Phoenix, AZ.

Let's fight; we're New Yorkers! Queens Quiet Skies is a good place to start. And keep complaining on that link or phone # and to your representatives; the more complaints, the more they'll have to pay attention!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on July 18, 2015, 08:03:06 PM
Here’s the link to your study (your link did not link to the original report)

http://www.mass.gov/eohhs/docs/dph/environmental/investigations/logan/logan-airport-health-study-final.pdf

The key finding, not shown in news reports about the study  but pasted direct from the link above:

Although higher prevalences of current and probable asthma were observed in the high exposure area in crude, univariate, analyses (Table 6.5), when potential confounding factors were controlled for in this analysis, no differences were observed across the high, medium, and low exposure areas for the likelihood of current or probable asthma. …Tests of trend were not significant for any of the targeted respiratory outcomes.




Look:

 i) I hate the noise, particularly the fact that it is imposed without notice or consultation.

ii) You get dozens of times more exposure to benzene by filling your gas tank once at a gas station than having planes fly over you all day.

iii) the serious health study you cite says this: as soon as they take into account  other health, economic factors and proximity to roads, ALL THE  OUTCOMES become statistically insignificant - in other words, they couldn’t detect any effect on asthma, COPD or any health effects different from the background of living in a city.

As soon as you make this about “fumes” being “unhealthy”  in an urban environment where cars, lorries, and many other ground pollution sources completely dominate health impacts, you deflect from the real, addressable problem.........which is the noise.

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Formosa on July 19, 2015, 11:53:10 AM
woke me around 6:30, too. but can we really close totally or cut flights by half when repairs are going on?

As you seem quite fond of regurgitating the same uninformed comments on this particular subject, may I ask what precisely you would propose?  Surely it cannot be nothing, unless the history of the Cuyahoga River and the passive attitude of the Cleveland citizenry have taught you nothing. 

To be clear, the impetus for my posting the reminder to file complaints is so that a log of such voices can be recorded at either the PANYNJ or FAA, something also suggested by Councilman Dromm.  And, as far as I'm concerned, it's the least any involved citizen can do to hopefully start the process of forcing bureaucrats in D.C./Albany to begin considering alternatives.  Obviously, one solution would be a relocation similar to what Hong Kong did in the late 90s, when the territory moved its airport to a less populated area on reclaimed land.  Meanwhile, unlike LaGuardia, Hong Kong is consistently ranked one of the top 5 busiest airports in the world.  So, unless there's a lack of political will or too strong an institutional inertia, I'm not sure why the U.S. of A. cannot solve this problem.  At the minimum, as a full participant in this democratic experiment, it is my duty to hold the politicians/bureaucrats accountable. 

Therefore, the next time you see the thread on plane noise, may I suggest taking a deep breath before leading us down the path toward the "Burning River?"
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on July 19, 2015, 01:45:14 PM
I'm sorry that practicality strikes you as "uninformed." that's not really my problem.

 let's take your path and move LaGuardia to a less populated spot.

pick one, please.

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: queenskid2 on July 19, 2015, 02:01:57 PM
And what about the local jobs the airport generates.  Not just the jobs at LaGuardia itself, but the jobs at the hotels and the businesses that service the hotels.  Do we just close them up and let them take their jobs elsewhere.

 I grew up under the flight path at a time when they didn't even try to limit the noise.  I didn't like it then, nor do I like it now.  By all means, keep registering complaints, but the reality is we live in a community next to an airport and at times there is going to be noise.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: mchafkin on July 19, 2015, 03:51:54 PM
by all means, I think everyone should complain if they're bothered. That said, I'd urge anyone who is having trouble sleeping to invest in a white noise machine. This is the one you want:

http://www.amazon.com/Marpac-DOHM-DS-Natural-actual-Machine/dp/B000KUHFGM

(Unlike those digital noise machines that play whale sounds, this uses a fan and an acoustic construction to make a pleasant hum. FWIW: The planes have never bothered me. Car horns, jackhammers, garbage trucks are all another story.)

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Lilybell on July 21, 2015, 10:15:51 AM
I feel like we've actually been getting a nice break from plane noise this summer and we don't have those awful weekends of earth-shaking noise every 45 seconds as nearly as often as last year. And I'm directly under the flight path on those days, so I notice it when it happens.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: carrefour_ny on July 21, 2015, 10:52:55 AM
A few facts about the noise this past weekend:

The link below shows data from the PA's own noise meters. Last Saturday the noise was consistently around 90-100 decibels. For comparison, the city's noise limit is 60 decibels. A normal conversation happens at about 30-40 decibels.   

The graph also shows the frequency of airplanes and their trajectory. It's pretty jarring, actually, to see that the area was subjected to 90 decibel noise every minute and a half on average.

But what's more interesting is that our area is assigned "medium" tolerance to noise, whereas, say, the area around Teterboro is "low" tolerance. I find this baffling, given that JH is a lot more populated.

http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on July 21, 2015, 10:56:23 AM
I feel like we've actually been getting a nice break from plane noise this summer and we don't have those awful weekends of earth-shaking noise every 45 seconds as nearly as often as last year. And I'm directly under the flight path on those days, so I notice it when it happens.

Many other people are reporting different, directly-lived experiences than the one you describe.
 I would suggest that the 'flight path' is not a fixed thing.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: earbears on July 21, 2015, 12:15:32 PM
Just as a point:

Quiet conversation if 30-40 decibels
Average conversation if 50 decibels

90 decibels is extremely loud and disturbing and can be felt also
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: earbears on July 21, 2015, 01:17:07 PM
This is why the planes were so bad last weekend:

 LGA

    Runway 13/31 will be closed from 7/18/15 6:00 AM to 7/19/15 12:00 PM for RSA, electrical, and maintenance work, subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.

Not a reason not to protest but just information :)
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Lilybell on July 22, 2015, 09:41:05 AM
Quote
Many other people are reporting different, directly-lived experiences than the one you describe. I would suggest that the 'flight path' is not a fixed thing.

The amended flight path remains in the low 70s as always. It's just not happening as often - 2013 was unbearable because it was every weekend, all weekend and often on weeknights- including all day Sunday.  Now it's every other weekend and seems to stop by noon on Sunday.  It's still annoying.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: luckyghost on July 22, 2015, 11:14:03 AM
This is why the planes were so bad last weekend:

 LGA

    Runway 13/31 will be closed from 7/18/15 6:00 AM to 7/19/15 12:00 PM for RSA, electrical, and maintenance work, subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.

Not a reason not to protest but just information :)

This is what I figured... we got a break the previous weekend because runway 4/22 was undergoing maintenance... but we were still getting those 10pm - 11pm takeoffs on weeknights.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: temujin on July 24, 2015, 01:09:28 AM
I think I am okay with car honking and garbage truck as they are not frequent. What bother was those weekend where planes just fly by every few minutes. Or  one that woke you up at 5am or one at 2am. I never knew they have flights this early and late.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: HAMjacksonheights on July 24, 2015, 08:01:39 AM
This is the product of living near an airport, I say we stop complaining and move on.

I grew up near JFK so plane noise might be embedded in my ears so maybe I just have a different take on the matter.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: luckyghost on July 24, 2015, 11:16:57 AM
I say keep complaining, loudly and in public!

Seriously though, I think JHers are accustomed to the landing path over Nothern and the low 70s a couple days a week, engines are mostly idle, not as loud. It's those runway 22 takeoffs heading southwest that then turn left over all of JH that are a problem. There are four ways you can take off from LGA, three are over water, the other is over us.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Lilybell on July 24, 2015, 11:25:17 AM
Quote
This is the product of living near an airport, I say we stop complaining and move on.

Then don't complain if it doesn't bother you.

I did my research before I moved to JH to make sure it wasn't an area with a lot of plane noise, and 4 years after I moved in the flight path started changing to go directly over my street, so I'm going to keep complaining. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on July 24, 2015, 11:49:07 AM
Quote
This is the product of living near an airport, I say we stop complaining and move on.

Then don't complain if it doesn't bother you.

I did my research before I moved to JH to make sure it wasn't an area with a lot of plane noise, and 4 years after I moved in the flight path started changing to go directly over my street, so I'm going to keep complaining.

+1!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on July 24, 2015, 02:10:24 PM
Quote
This is the product of living near an airport, I say we stop complaining and move on.

Then don't complain if it doesn't bother you.

I did my research before I moved to JH to make sure it wasn't an area with a lot of plane noise, and 4 years after I moved in the flight path started changing to go directly over my street, so I'm going to keep complaining.

+1!

+2
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: earbears on July 24, 2015, 08:00:00 PM
LGA

    Runway 4/22 will be closed from 7/25/15 6:00 AM to 7/26/15 12:00 PM for RSA, electrical, and maintenance work, subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: HAMjacksonheights on July 25, 2015, 07:08:49 PM
I suppose..

however my partner has lived in the neighborhood for 27 years and says the plane noise has always been there. I hope your research did not include Wiki:)
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Lilybell on July 29, 2015, 03:30:57 PM
HAM, the plane noise that your partner heard over the last two decades was the type we normally get that is not all that loud or bothersome.  The real noise comes when the path changes to have departures from runway 22, like luckyghost wrote earlier.  That is a new change over the last few years which is why it's so miserable in the lower 70s when that happens. On those days, my dishes shake in their cabinets every 45 seconds and I can't open my windows. People can hear it over the phone with my windows closed.  I'm allowed to be annoyed by that.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: earbears on July 31, 2015, 11:36:15 PM
La Guardia Maintenance this weekend

    Runway 4/22 will be closed from 7/31/15 10:00 PM to 8/1/15 10:00 AM for RSA, electrical, and maintenance work, subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.
    Runway 13/31 will be closed on 8/1/15 from 12:00 AM to 6:00 AM for runway intersection paving, and then from 8/1/15 10:00 AM to 8/2/15 12:00 PM for RSA, electrical, and maintenance work, subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.



http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on August 15, 2015, 08:48:54 AM
Last night and this morning, departing flights are repeatedly flying over my block. The planes are too low, too loud, and too frequent.  Can't they diversify the flight patterns of departing planes so they cover a wider area, and don't constantly fly out over the exact same path?

Again, if the planes bother you, please take a moment to log a complaint with the Port Authority here:

http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/ (http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/)

(And if the planes don't bother you, enjoy your bliss and don't chastise those of us with dissimilar opinions/experiences.)
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: homeowner on August 15, 2015, 09:33:25 AM
I think we are way too close to the runway to have planes take a different flight path.  They have barely left the ground when they soar over JH. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on August 15, 2015, 09:50:52 AM
I think we are way too close to the runway to have planes take a different flight path.  They have barely left the ground when they soar over JH.

Well, what are they doing differently during the 99% of the week that I hear no planes whatsoever?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 15, 2015, 10:05:15 AM
The airports have implemented new technology which has changed plane departure/arrival routes in the past couple of years.

And that is why airplane noise is worse now over Jackson Heights.

Is the only recourse we have as a community... to gather and take this matter to the courts and thus force the Port Authority to stop cruelly torturing us with airplane noise?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on August 15, 2015, 10:27:55 AM
I think we are way too close to the runway to have planes take a different flight path.  They have barely left the ground when they soar over JH.

Well, what are they doing differently during the 99% of the week that I hear no planes whatsoever?

I don't quite understand it either.  But I am guessing that the reason there is noise today vs. other quiet days is because of the runway maintenance of runway 13/31.  See below from http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4

- LGA -

Runway 13/31 will be closed on 8/15/15 from 6:00 AM to 8/16/15 12:00 PM for runway intersection paving, for RSA, electrical, and maintenance work, subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 15, 2015, 10:54:34 AM
It is sheer cruelty to expect folks to live under these conditions.

And sounds much like how I imagine a war zone would...kinda like how I guess the London Blitzkrieg must have felt.

At least, they evacuated London when the planes flew over! Plus air raid sirens blared to let folks know planes were coming.  We should also be given fair warning so we might plan to escape from the neighborhood...while the planes fly overhead...and jangle our nerves...

 

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 15, 2015, 12:09:21 PM
I think we are way too close to the runway to have planes take a different flight path.  They have barely left the ground when they soar over JH.

Well, what are they doing differently during the 99% of the week that I hear no planes whatsoever?

they are having planes take off in the other direction on the other runway, focusing 99 percent of the noise over other people, who complain just as loudly. I've spent some time (not much) in College Point and Throgg's Neck, and the noise there can be just as brutal. and more regular.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on August 15, 2015, 12:11:07 PM
I think we are way too close to the runway to have planes take a different flight path.  They have barely left the ground when they soar over JH.

Well, what are they doing differently during the 99% of the week that I hear no planes whatsoever?

they are having planes take off in the other direction on the other runway, focusing 99 percent of the noise over other people, who complain just as loudly. I've spent some time (not much) in College Point and Throgg's Neck, and the noise there can be just as brutal. and more regular.

I was in Hamilton Beach recently and, holy cannoli. You think OUR planes are loud?

Anyway, as people have said: we get noise when there's a runway under construction/maintenance. We don't when there isn't. And look at my name. The planes have been landing over our house as long as I've been here. The issue is when runway maintenance changes the angle of takeoffs.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 15, 2015, 12:20:28 PM
Then what is happening...is that slowly...by increment...the Port Authority is making our lives, we the inhabitants of Queens...unbearable...

Like the proverbial frog in the water...who remains there while the water heats up... until the water begins to boil and the frog is dead...

The situation is that we are becoming accustomed to living under Blitzkrieg conditions...with these overhead planes...until our health also deteriorates...Already now... planes wake us up after midnight...and then again at 6am the next morning...

The expansion of LGA will add to this, of course...

In other cities...who face similar challenges...around the world... communities have taken the airports to court...and won the battle.

Since the 1960's, 10 times more flights go in and out of LGA.

Queens has a battle looming ahead...and that is the truth of our future here....

 







Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: earbears on August 15, 2015, 01:58:01 PM
Weekly Runway Closure Announcements
Weekly Runway closure update for August 14 to August 21, 2015.

- LGA -

    Runway 13/31 will be closed on 8/15/15 from 6:00 AM to 8/16/15 12:00 PM for runway intersection paving, for RSA, electrical, and maintenance work, subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.

http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4


Also please understand that the weather can have an effect on noise levels - such as humidity - making it louder.
And then there is the flight pattern. Since they are using one runway for take-offs that is directly over JH, the plane has to veer one way or the other. So, most plane take-off over the low '70s and then can curve of the higher '70s or even low 80's.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: CaptainFlannel on August 15, 2015, 03:00:18 PM
The situation is that we are becoming accustomed to living under Blitzkrieg conditions...with these overhead planes...until our health also deteriorates...Already now... planes wake us up after midnight...and then again at 6am the next morning...
For Pete's sake, take it down about 7 notches. You are absolutely not living through anything even remotely like the London Blitz. Get a grip. Also, get a grip on how ellipses are to be used. They are not...just randomly...inserted in to... sentences...for no reason...
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on August 15, 2015, 03:14:50 PM
The situation is that we are becoming accustomed to living under Blitzkrieg conditions...with these overhead planes...until our health also deteriorates...Already now... planes wake us up after midnight...and then again at 6am the next morning...
For Pete's sake, take it down about 7 notches. You are absolutely not living through anything even remotely like the London Blitz. Get a grip. Also, get a grip on how ellipses are to be used. They are not...just randomly...inserted in to... sentences...for no reason...

...unless... you are ... WILLIAM ... SHATNER
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: earbears on August 15, 2015, 03:16:29 PM
The problem also affected flights leaving New York’s LaGuardia and John F. Kennedy airports, according to FlightAware’s online tracker. By 12:30 p.m. departure delays were at 1 hour and expected to grow, PIX11 News reported.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/15/flight-control-problem-keeps-flights-grounded-in-ny-and-dc-area/?intcmp=hpbt2
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: CaptainFlannel on August 15, 2015, 03:17:27 PM
Bill? When did you leave California and move to JH?

...unless... you are ... WILLIAM ... SHATNER


Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 15, 2015, 03:39:19 PM
there's a simple solution. close all airports near populated areas

one in the sonoran desert, one in labrador and one in newark ought to handle all of north america's needs.

but more seriously, i have had a number of people berate me for asking for practical suggestions beyond simple stamping of feet. many of them have said that other cities have succeeded in getting airports moved and suggested that happen with LGA. when i've asked where it could be moved, there's been radio silence.

so....where do we move air traffic when we succeed in getting laguardia turned into a park?

 
Then what is happening...is that slowly...by increment...the Port Authority is making our lives, we the inhabitants of Queens...unbearable...

Like the proverbial frog in the water...who remains there while the water heats up... until the water begins to boil and the frog is dead...

The situation is that we are becoming accustomed to living under Blitzkrieg conditions...with these overhead planes...until our health also deteriorates...Already now... planes wake us up after midnight...and then again at 6am the next morning...

The expansion of LGA will add to this, of course...

In other cities...who face similar challenges...around the world... communities have taken the airports to court...and won the battle.

Since the 1960's, 10 times more flights go in and out of LGA.

Queens has a battle looming ahead...and that is the truth of our future here....

 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Miss Chatelaine on August 15, 2015, 03:57:53 PM
It's not about closing the airport for me. I am painfully aware of where I stand in relation to Port Authority, LGA, the FAA, the airlines and passengers, etc. It is about the changed flight paths at the expense of, and with absolutely no regard for, the communities underneath. I'm no expert, but in reading about about what's going on with the new flight path in Flushing, it seems that all the old routes that were there and used for noise mitigation are not being used anymore in favor of the new satellite system route.

For what it's worth, the Port Authority is also considering changing the rule to allow larger, longer flight jets in and out of LGA, as well as doing away with the "voluntary curfew" that limits air traffic between midnight and 6am.

I’m not sure if it’s been posted before, but this is a good site for more information for those who are bothered by the noise and/or interested in the big picture. There’s a lot going on in other cities too with the new air traffic system that’s also causing such grief in Queens. There’s a link right on top to a story about the situation in Phoenix, which is suing the FAA over changed flight paths.

http://nextgennoise.org

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Miss Chatelaine on August 15, 2015, 04:14:58 PM
Link to a recent NY1 piece about the so-called "perimeter rule" change.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/queens/news/2015/08/13/a-proposal-to-allow-airplanes-to-travel-greater-distances-from-lagaurdia-airport-is-stirring-up-controversy--over-the-possibility-of-increased-airplane-noise--.html

I haven't read it yet, but here's the NY Times op-ed piece in favor of lifting the rule.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/14/opinion/why-you-cant-get-there-from-la-guardia.html?_r=0
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: ptbass75 on August 15, 2015, 04:36:52 PM
I have to say, plane noise was unusually bad today.  Kids at Travers were actually covering their ears.  It was painful.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 15, 2015, 04:55:01 PM
that NYT editorial is typically anti-outer borough.

lifting the rule is a terrible idea. more noise, more congestion, more delays, more negatives. but more money for airlines and more convenience for a few manhattan travelers.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 15, 2015, 07:03:21 PM
To boldly go where no man has gone before...

Stewart Airport Long Island with a fast train built to NYC would be the answer.
With a high speed train...you could get there in 30 mins.  Probably less time than it takes to get to LGA by public transport from Midtown.

Times have changed. Folks won't put up with noise pollution like they did in the past. Just like in the old days folks put up with horse manure in the streets...until the subways and cars changed that.

When LGA was envisioned...in the 1930's there would've been a handful of propeller planes per day. 
Now there are jets screaming in and out every 30 seconds or so.

It is untenable for that situation to continue in a crowded city.

Other cities, around the globe and nationally, have had exactly the same problems.
And taken the airports to court AND WON THE CASE.

I imagine that the airports know very well there are legal precedents, internationally and nationally, in the case of severe noise pollution being detrimental to the health of communities.

And that legally, should they be taken to court they could easily lose.

So I am not certain where the "put up with it" attitude comes from.

This is a democracy and we can fight for our rights.

Again, I repeat, times have changed...and folks are empowered these days concerning their rights, particularly health-wise.

Also I believe in the Blitz...they would've been propeller planes...far quieter than the ear splitting jet engines...of today. So they probably had it less noisy than us!

...And to quote from Star Trek...“You either believe in yourself or you don’t.”

It's time for LGA to move.





 

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 15, 2015, 07:25:07 PM
Stewart Airport is in Newburgh...not long Island...

Where is Spock when you need him?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 15, 2015, 07:30:28 PM
Also...LGA only has 2 runways...

If LGA stays where it is...and expands...they will certainly need to build a third.

And so that will mean...what?  More constant airplane noise for all of Queens? 

The writing is on the wall.

Either we get LGA to move...or it will move us.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on August 15, 2015, 10:19:15 PM
I'm with abcdefg... Legal action to stop using these new routes. It's fine with me if you've been living here for 85 hundred years and it's always been like that and you dont wanna do anything about it. I don't like it, it's annoying to me, it has gotten worse in the past few years and I'd be willing join a lawsuit.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Ecrivain on August 16, 2015, 10:17:14 AM
Can someone answer a question for me about using WebTrck, the PA tool for tracking and complaining about noise? Under "Legend" you can click on "Noise Colors," and you'll see the following:

        "As noise levels vary, the color of the icon changes to provide a visual illustration of the relative noise level."

But *which* icon is supposed to reflect this change? It's not the aircraft surely; these are colored based on airport, incoming/outgoing etc. The noise monitoring locations are shown consistently grey. My home location icon doesn't seem to reflect any noise level by color either. Any help appreciated!

PS--In the low 80s its been pretty bad all weekend, and I sympathize with those who, in the low 70s, find things much worse. Does anyone know if soundproof windows can make much of a difference? Thx.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: chagerty on August 16, 2015, 10:46:44 AM
I'm with abcdefg... Legal action to stop using these new routes. It's fine with me if you've been living here for 85 hundred years and it's always been like that and you dont wanna do anything about it. I don't like it, it's annoying to me, it has gotten worse in the past few years and I'd be willing join a lawsuit.

Honestly, this is outrageous. I've submitted a dozen complaints between today and yesterday. But if there was something more proactive to do, like contacting council members or anything, I would do it absolutely!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on August 16, 2015, 11:28:41 AM
To boldly go where no man has gone before...

Stewart Airport Long Island with a fast train built to NYC would be the answer.
With a high speed train...you could get there in 30 mins.  Probably less time than it takes to get to LGA by public transport from Midtown.

There was an RPA plan from long ago suggesting that lots of air traffic could move to both Stewart and Macarthur. Macarthur has some of the same NIMBY problems we do, though - the people in Islip hate it. Nobody complains about Stewart because it's an old air force base with plenty of room. But the plans always fail because our utterly corrupt, incompetent state government is completely incapable of building high-speed rail lines. Also Stewart wouldn't get Queens or Long Island traffic, which would either overcrowd JFK or we'd need to pump up Macarthur - and there we would run into the killer political clout of Suffolk County.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 16, 2015, 11:48:26 AM
Theplanesland...can you explain to me why we in Queens seem to have zero political clout?...Whereas other counties get their voices heard.  Nearly 3 million folks live in Queens. Are we not voters?

In life you get what you put up with. That's the rule.

Because we in Queens put up with atrocious noise pollution...we get it.

But times are changing. We in Queens are empowering ourselves.  And the old unempowered and naive belief that the authorities "will do all they can to alleviate the noise situation"....I was at that meeting in the school hall a couple of years ago...has turned out to be a downright lie by the authorities.

The authorities have proved that they cannot be trusted in this noise pollution situation.
It is up to us to stand up for ourselves.



Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 16, 2015, 12:12:00 PM
and how do you propose to "stand up for" the thousands of people whose jobs you'll eliminate?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 16, 2015, 12:33:30 PM
The high speed train will take the workers to the Stewart Airport in half an hour.

They will even be able to buy a discount monthly pass.

Lots of folks commute to work.  I have.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: temujin on August 16, 2015, 01:16:07 PM
Just came back from farmer market, funny how everyone just cover up the ear or pause when they in the middle of conversation everytime a plane flew by which is like every 2 to 5 minutes. My ear is bleeding, lol, can we all send the medical bill to PA for hearing exam or hearing problem...:).

How much more capacity will LGA be able to handle after they redo the airport, I do think is wasted, the money could be use for other airports or new airport that have more room to expand.

And regarding to the webtrck complaint website, is compleyely BS. Clearly PA just waste money to have a tool for public to complaint so we feel better about it, that we did something about the issue. Why do they need people to manually complaint when they can easily extract the data on the plane info, the location, the time and the the noise level from the  monitor. Or they just testing us see how much noise we can tolerate... ;), if no one complaint then they will increase the traffic and fly lower.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Miss Chatelaine on August 16, 2015, 02:59:02 PM
Can someone answer a question for me about using WebTrck, the PA tool for tracking and complaining about noise? Under "Legend" you can click on "Noise Colors," and you'll see the following:

        "As noise levels vary, the color of the icon changes to provide a visual illustration of the relative noise level."

But *which* icon is supposed to reflect this change? It's not the aircraft surely; these are colored based on airport, incoming/outgoing etc. The noise monitoring locations are shown consistently grey. My home location icon doesn't seem to reflect any noise level by color either. Any help appreciated!


It is the noise monitoring icon that's showing up grey. Usually it has the decibel numbers and changes color as they go up and down. As planes go over, the decibels peak in the 80-90 range, with no planes they're often in the 50s. I haven't been looking at any near JFK or Newark so don't know how they read with larger planes.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 16, 2015, 04:07:27 PM
The high speed train will take the workers to the Stewart Airport in half an hour.

They will even be able to buy a discount monthly pass.

Lots of folks commute to work.  I have.

will the hotels fit on the train? to be moved up to the stewart area, I mean? and will we be subsidizing the monthly train fares for the minimum wage workers -- the majority of those who'll lose their jobs? i sincerely doubt that metro north will suddenly turn charitable and make the discount a fair one.

and, not surprisingly, there's an organized and very vocal opposition to adding flights up there, as well, just as there is in teterboro and islip. no one wants to live near an airport, pure and simple.

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on August 16, 2015, 04:36:53 PM
This is our life now, unable to enjoy half the weekends and weeknights at home
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 16, 2015, 05:26:57 PM
Your argument, dssjh... is exactly the same as the one used by the fracking industry.

Fracking brings jobs/stimulates the economy.

Meanwhile it poisons the environment...but "put up with it".

In our case LGA is poisoning and torturing us with noise pollution.
And we are also meant to "put up with it".

Everything changes.  Times change. Folks are no longer passive and prepared to "put up with" what those in the past did.

New industries will sprout where old ones were.  Do you have no creative optimism?
The Brooklyn Navy Yards no longer make ships.  And are now re-purposed. There are any examples of that in the world. Old jobs disappear.  New ones are created.  That's the dynamism of life itself.

LGA could be movie studio.  A 3d Printing facility.  A new flower market.  Hotels can be repurposed into schools. The opportunities are endless.
The future beckons.

Some are fearful of letting go of the past.  Others see new options everywhere.

Meanwhile I agree with the poster above...we are the ones suffering...unable to enjoy our weeknights...and half our weekends...awoken by jets @ 6am and past midnight.

(The planes start now most weeknights @ 10pm.)

The only real option is to leave the neighborhood...either for the day...and hope the planes are over by the time you get back (often they're not)...or, of course, to leave the neighborhood and Queens for good...to its fate...engulfed by airport noise pollution.

It is a horror...and wasn't like this a couple of years ago...and will only get worse if LGA expands.

Stewart Airport has a perimeter of land around specifically created to isolate planes landings/departures from the communities surrounding it.

With LGA, we are the perimeter around it.

It is time for LGA to go.
















Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 16, 2015, 06:08:23 PM
jfk and Newark need to be shuttered, too.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on August 16, 2015, 09:55:56 PM
Theplanesland...can you explain to me why we in Queens seem to have zero political clout?...Whereas other counties get their voices heard.  Nearly 3 million folks live in Queens. Are we not voters?

The problem I'm arguing about - as opposed to the ones dssjh is arguing about - is building the train connection to Stewart. Yes, as voters, in the New York political system, we can demand that things *not* get done. But our state is not very good at actually *doing* things, especially infrastructure wise. The Tappan Zee replacement is botched, with no transit option on it; there will be no tunnel to New Jersey; it takes seven-plus hours to get to Plattsburgh by train because the CP Adirondack tracks are only rated for 15 miles an hour; and how late is that 7 train extension?

You could argue that the lack of any rail connection to LGA proves your point - that when Queens voters say no, they can stop projects. Astoria said no, so we have no train to LGA. But shutting down LGA with no decent alternative capacity would be an economic disaster, and we can't build the alternative capacity.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: queenskid2 on August 16, 2015, 11:17:49 PM
Let me get this straight.  We should close the airport, which directly and indirectly generates hundreds of local jobs, many of which are "blue collar," and replace it with a flower market or 3d printing facility?  And the workers, if they want to keep their jobs, will have to commute roundtrip every day to Newburgh, NY on a high speed rail link that does not exist.

Have you spoken to the hotel workers, the rental car employees, the people who deliver food, the ticket agents or anyone else about this.  Should we do away with the 7 train next.

I've said this before, we live next to an airport.  Everyone who lives here knew that when they decided to move in. The noise sucks.  Sometimes it really sucks.  But closing the airport is not realistic, nor is it fair to the many people who rely on it for employment.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 16, 2015, 11:50:22 PM
NYC is not the only world city that has had to deal with this problem. Paris built the Charles De Gaulle airport.... We are in the 21st century...and the problem will have to be addressed...NYC is a world city...and needs to find solutions to these issues...that other world cities have done...and are also facing...the truth is that NYC needs a 24/7 world class airport...and the airports it currently has...will  never fulfill its long term needs. And unless NYC bites the bullet...and builds a 24 hour magnificent airport...somewhere...and I say Stewart Airport is the frontrunner...it will fall behind on the world stage.

LGA will never be the 24/7 magnificent airport worthy of this city...and its future..and the authorities would
Do better to admit that...now...and create a proper vision for NYC's future. And not one where the city's inhabitants suffer...from what is really a regional size airport from the 1930s...overtaxed trying to cope with 21st century air traffic for a new era and beyond. That is simply the reality of the situation. And until it is accepted...much suffering will happen...for us.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on August 17, 2015, 12:03:45 AM
NYC is not the only world city that has had to deal with this problem. Paris built the Charles De Gaulle airport.

Not a good example alas.
i) Orly, the airport Charles De Gaulle was meant to "replace", is still in heavy use.
ii) CDG was built in the 1960s and opened in the 1970s.....in a very different political environment than NYC in the 2010s.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 17, 2015, 12:25:09 AM
Try Changi in Singapore then.

I am aware that LGA is planned to get a makeover...
But it will never be that 24/7 airport which NYC needs.
Though my guess is the authorities might try and lift the curfew
once it is rebuilt.

Hopefully then even the 'put up with it' folks will be galvanized to action. Hah...


Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: temujin on August 17, 2015, 12:53:54 AM
Hong Kong airport is pretty good example, they relocated to a new location far out and build a pretty fast airtrian to city central in 25 min.

Narita airport is really far out with 40 min on trian but is expensive. Heard the Haneda is nicer wonder how it work out since they so close to Tokyo.

Copenhagen have direct subway to the airport, 20 min to central. Still not sure how they rank top on their subway system when they only have 2 lines.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on August 17, 2015, 07:12:26 AM
Try Changi in Singapore then.

Yep, you know what Singapore and Hong Kong have in common? Take a good look at their political systems. (We had Robert Moses, but we sure don't any more. Now we just have corrupt, lazy bureaucrats who don't bother to build anything, and loud local interests which say "no" to all infrastructure projects.)

Listen, abc, I hate being this negative. But if you want what you want, you need to start fighting for the conditions that might be able to make better infrastructure in NY state happen. Try these steps:

* City, not state, control of the MTA
* Disbanding the Port Authority to remove its bi-state paralysis
* Making rail a priority in statewide infrastructure creation (as opposed to Cuomo building a rail-free Tappan Zee)
* Indicting and removing every NY state legislator getting kickbacks from current real estate interests
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 17, 2015, 08:37:14 AM
Hmmm....it sounds to me that you are suggesting too much activism might lead to a permanent home at the bottom of the East River.

I do see the irony that you believe the culture of the Mafia is not gone...but is instead used to run the government.

At the end of the day...these issues make our lives unbearable.

History shows when things get unbearable enough...then folks will revolt.
That is simply gong to be a question of time. It's obvious. The noise will get worse in the years and decades to come. There will be more planes from LGA. More noise. That is the sad fact and I will take it into consideration.





Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: luckyghost on August 17, 2015, 11:18:19 AM
I don't really care if there's more traffic coming in and out of LGA (I don't think we'll be seeing a third runway built, in any case) so long as they're not takeoffs from runway 22, which are the ones that are hard on JH. The port authority webtrak site (http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4) lists all the runway closures for the upcoming week, and all the Saturday-into-Sunday issues we've been having are due to periodic maintenance on runway 13/33, the one that runs east/west. I'm interested if that maintenance will be chronic or is part of a plan with an actual completion date.

Now, why they have to take off on 22 as opposed to 4 which puts them out over the water I have no idea, perhaps some combo of wind direction and coordination with other area airports. I also can't account for the recent spate of weeknight 10pm-11pm takeoffs. The webtrak site is helpful to know what's coming though... if you see runway 4/22 will be closed for maintenance you know you can sleep in that weekend.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Cyril108 on August 17, 2015, 12:05:50 PM
From what I've learned about this issue so far it seems that the Queens Borough President, Melinda Katz, may be an important advocate.  She is part of the group that is advising the LGA renovation.  Although I've heard that she is well aware of the plane noise issue in Queens, I think it would be helpful or her hear from many people from Jackson Heights about the problem.  I included a link below for the form to contact her office.  Just click the box to the lower left to "file an issue."   

http://queensbp.org/contact-qbp/
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on August 17, 2015, 01:20:27 PM
Someone posted the following on JHfamilies. It may be good advice!


 Let's get the attention of those who can change the plane noise problem here. I think we would all love to get back peace and quiet.

Constant tweets from lots of folks.


Don't forget to add a period before the @ so it goes on their public timeline and can be seen by everyone, like this: .@SenSchumer


To make it super easy, here's a few tweets you can copy and paste along with the twitter handle of those who can make changes. So here's what a tweet would look like:




Here's a couple of tweets you can use to tweet right away. Let's get a steady flow of voices at these people and institutions.


Imagine hearing jackhammers every minute starting at 6am = plane noise in Jackson Heights. This community asks for your help.

If you can read the airline name on planes, it's too close. Terrible plane noise in Jackson Heights. This community asks for your help.

Hearing plane engines roar by every minute starting at 6am is ridiculous. The Jackson Heights community asks for your help.




NY senator chuck schumer:
.@SenSchumer

Council member Daniel Dromm:
.@Dromm25

PANYNJ:
.@PANYNJ

Congressman Charles Rangel:
.@cbrangel

NY senator Kristen Gillibrand:
.@SenGillibrand

congressman joseph crowley:
.@repjoecrowley


senator jose peralta:
.@SenatorPeralta


Mayor Bill DeBlasio
.@BilldeBlasio

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on August 17, 2015, 02:26:13 PM
They don't care about Jackson Heights or Queens
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on August 17, 2015, 03:07:20 PM
We probably should mobilize a small group to coordinate the complaints, write a letter to representatives, put out a press release on behalf of our community and then crowd representatives them with emails.

http://queensquietskies.org/ seems to be the right advocacy group to work on this.

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 18, 2015, 04:17:56 PM
Hello there...

I have not disappeared...but am simply pondering the best modus operandi...to approach this airplane noise issue...

Yes, forming a group that tackles it is a fine idea...

The thing is... I went to that meeting @ the high school PS69, a couple of years ago...concerning airplane noise and how it has increased in Jax Hts due to that new technology they're using....enabling planes to land/depart within 30 seconds or whatever of each other...in exactly the same route...which is why there is a barrage of jets over our heads...in almost precisely the same way each time.

At the meeting the authorities promised to consider our community's concerns.

My true feeling now...after a couple of years...is the method the Port Authority uses to consider our concerns... is to determine how much plane noise we put up with...in other words, how much they can get away with.

So the more we complain, I suppose, the more they realize the less we'll put up with it.

Really, however, my guess... is that they will only truly sit up and take notice if legal action is taken. Because I bet the Port Authority is fearful that if airports are forced to curtail their jet noise pollution by the courts...like other precedents that have been achieved around the nation, the courts would discover that the noise decibels we must put up with are so high they would be illegal. The Port Authority would be forced to insulate 100's? or 1000's? of apartments...very expensive.

And the trouble, of course, is that NYC needs jets to zoom in and out...to compete in the world...and it's the circular argument again of a magnificent 24/7 airport worthy of this city (Stewart Airport!) ...or continuing with these band-aid solutions which cause pain...and operate at illegal decibel levels for neighborhoods.

I was also thinking about how some folks want to be good neighbors with LGA.  I do understand that.
The trouble is LGA's technology has changed...in the last 3 years... and our neighbor LGA is now making so much noise... that if other neighbors created such a disturbance...the situation would end up with the police being called...and the neighbors fined.

To love a neighbor who is abusing us, due to new technology which allows departing/landing jets to follow the exact same routes with only a minute or so intervals between them...is in my opinion akin to suffering from "battered wife syndrome". Loving the very thing that has quite recently began abusing us far worse than it used to.

I will keep considering this issue...and which option/path might be the best to follow... It is pretty complicated.

Life, after all, is choices...and we all should have them...in a free country.



 


Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Palermo on August 19, 2015, 06:36:32 AM
Having just taken the comfortable train from downtown Milano to Malpensa ($12 Euro, 40 minutes), I can appreciate the allure of Stewart as an alternative.  That NYC's "train to the plane" ranks as one of the sorriest among world class cities makes it more appealing.  But the building of the tunnel which would have the high speed train cross the Hudson alone would be a herculean effort, let alone upgrading the Hudson River Line, condemning the needed land and, of course, building an international airport (unless Monty Burns really wants to get his kid into Columbia instead of Harvard). 

I still look longingly at the 1929 RPA Transportation Plan (a subway on Northern Boulevard!) and while it's never bad to do the best you can to make some of it a reality, moving LGA to Stewart is not presently a viable alternative.  Even if it were, I'd wager a fair number of us would be dead before any fruit fell from the tree.

I think a viable avenue to push down is noise reduction from the planes themselves.  NASA is getting in on it:  http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2005/aug/HQ_05213_Noise_reduction.html

[/quote]
* City, not state, control of the MTA
* Disbanding the Port Authority to remove its bi-state paralysis
* Making rail a priority in statewide infrastructure creation (as opposed to Cuomo building a rail-free Tappan Zee)
* Indicting and removing every NY state legislator getting kickbacks from current real estate interests
[/quote]

* City control of the MTA might be problematic, as who would run the commuter lines and would the state still have to kick in its subsidies?
* The Port Authority is a dinosaur, but given the integration of NY and NJ some sort of bi-state creature is needed to run our ports and interstate crossings.
* 100% agree.  Raise the gas tax to reduce people's incentive to drive and generate money for mass transit capital projects and subsidize operating costs.  In Western Europe, taxes make the price of gas about 4 times what we pay.  If they can stomach it, so can we. 
* I'll supply the tar and feathers. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 19, 2015, 10:53:09 AM
Thanks for the article...

So, basically, another factor is if we wait 10 years...the plane noise MAY POSSIBLY be decreased by half due to a new jet design.

Ten years.

Hmmmm....

The only upside of all this...is that I have become more knowledgeable about planes and airports... than I ever imagined I'd be.

And no doubt there's far more to be learned... in this multi-factorial challenge...that reaches from the top echelons of entrenched government and community habits to me...being woken up at 6am on a weekend to be bombarded by endlessly screaming jets...in my ear...driving me crazy.

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 19, 2015, 11:27:43 AM
i thoroughly appreciate your passion here, but playing the practicality card here:

you (correctly) express frustration about waiting ten years for a *possible* reduction in plane noise. but you are proposing a solution that would take two or three times as long to implement -- in terms of building a rail link to stewart and then modernizing that airport. three times may be charitable, after all, ground was broken on the second avenue subway just over 60 years ago.

what will be done between now and 2038 or so?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 19, 2015, 12:11:26 PM
Yes that's the point.

Unfortunately my timing ain't the best...to be exactly here...in Jax Hts...specifically (and only) concerning this particular plane noise issue... I've accepted that fact.

Things...are often about timing...

I have to think about it...

The simplest method at the moment...is for us to keep complaining to the authorities...and let them know that the tolerance for plane noise is not "moderate" as they seem to think on their site...but "low"...

And in 25 or more years....or whatever......Stewart Airport will be have to be built for NYC to keep flourishing.

Call me a visionary! Hah!



Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: earbears on August 20, 2015, 09:15:10 AM
 When it comes to airplane noise, this neighborhood rises above the rest.
Jackson Heights Tops List of Airport Noise Complaints

Neighbors in Jackson Heights topped the list of air traffic complaints, logging thousands of calls with the Port Authority about planes taking off and landing at LaGuardia Airport between Jan 1, 2014 and June 30, 2015, according to data.

While the Port Authority wouldn't provide the number of phone calls made by neighborhood, data released by the agency showed Jackson Heights consistently landed at the top of the list for the most households that made complaints.

More than 1,290 households in Jackson Heights filed complaints about plane noise in 2014 and through June of 2015 — more than any other neighborhood in New York or New Jersey, according to the data.

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150820/jackson-heights/jackson-heights-tops-list-of-airport-noise-complaints
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on August 20, 2015, 09:36:44 AM
Port Authority officials pointed out that the majority of complaints come from a small minority of homes.

In May, 48 percent of the calls were from only 10 households. In June, 60 percent of the calls came from 10 homes, Port Authority officials said.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on August 20, 2015, 10:04:16 AM
Port Authority officials pointed out that the majority of complaints come from a small minority of homes.

In May, 48 percent of the calls were from only 10 households. In June, 60 percent of the calls came from 10 homes, Port Authority officials said.

Those percentages are totally meaningless if they won't provide the overall number of complaints.  Also, if you're someone who is diligent about reporting loud planes, and you report 20 per week, the Port Authority is essentially turning around and using this diligent person against us by making it sound like there are only a few squeaky wheels.  If they provided the overall numbers and not just this worthless piece of data about percentages, then that would be informative. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: SamInNY on August 20, 2015, 10:31:27 AM
Is it clear how they count "household"? I have heard many more than 10 people complain very vociferously, so I'm wondering if street address is considered a household. Obviously that would be very silly given that a single address might have 60-80 apartments, but otherwise it just doesn't make any sense.

But it seems pretty nasty to use those 10 activists to downplay the problem.

The more important number to my mind is the 1290 households that have complained. That seems like a pretty large number -- I figure for every 5-10 people who are upset, maybe 1 complains (totally making up these numbers -- do we have any sociologists on this list who study such things?).
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Miss Chatelaine on August 20, 2015, 12:00:20 PM
Great observations about the Port Authority figures! The article refers specifically to phone calls though I wonder if the figures also includes the online complaint form. If not, the the JH numbers will be even higher!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: earbears on August 20, 2015, 06:25:41 PM
This weekend's schedule for La Guardia maintenance work:
   
        - LGA -

    Runway 13/31 will be closed on 8/15/15 from 6:00 AM to 8/16/15 12:00 PM for runway intersection paving, for RSA, electrical, and maintenance work, subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.

This is usually the noisy one
.

Here's the site for track planes and ambient noise: http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on August 21, 2015, 10:07:42 AM
This weekend's schedule for La Guardia maintenance work:
   
        - LGA -

    Runway 13/31 will be closed on 8/15/15 from 6:00 AM to 8/16/15 12:00 PM for runway intersection paving, for RSA, electrical, and maintenance work, subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.

This is usually the noisy one
.

Here's the site for track planes and ambient noise: http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4

Wow has there been a weekend in August where we aren't being bombarded by plane traffic?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: luckyghost on August 21, 2015, 10:25:03 AM
There have been some, yes, particularly when 4/22 is closed for similar maintenance. This notice is from last week so hopefully it's a different scenario this weekend. They haven't posted the week's maintenance schedules yet.
Title: Jackson Heights Tops List of Airport Noise Complaints
Post by: carrefour_ny on August 21, 2015, 04:51:03 PM
https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150820/jackson-heights/jackson-heights-tops-list-of-airport-noise-complaints
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: luckyghost on August 21, 2015, 05:23:51 PM
Good news for JH this weekend:

"LGA -

Runway 4/22 will be closed on 8/22/15 from 6:00 AM to 8/23/15 12:00 PM for runway intersection paving, for RSA, electrical, and maintenance work."
Title: Re: Jackson Heights Tops List of Airport Noise Complaints
Post by: SamInNY on August 21, 2015, 05:39:06 PM
If you read the full article, you will see that the Port Authority representative is trying to downplay the number of complaints by claiming that most of them are coming from a few households. Plus, it seems that they count multiple complaints from a single household as a single complaint.

So those of us who post complaints regularly might want to shift our strategy -- post once per household, and spend any leftover energy persuading neighbors who are also upset about it to send in their complaints as well.

I know lots of people who feel upset about the noise but who don't post, so now I know what I have to do!
Title: Re: Jackson Heights Tops List of Airport Noise Complaints
Post by: abu benuska on August 21, 2015, 09:25:43 PM
Or just post some with the name and address of your neighbors... :-)
Title: Re: Jackson Heights Tops List of Airport Noise Complaints
Post by: Sevillano on August 22, 2015, 12:00:56 AM
I recommend making a sing indicating how, and where to complain and posting it on the information board of your buildings or there were your neighbors can see it.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on August 25, 2015, 09:31:15 AM
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150824/jackson-heights/heres-every-airport-noise-complaint-filed-from-jackson-heights-since-2014
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: luckyghost on August 28, 2015, 05:37:41 PM
- LGA -

    Runway 13/31 will be closed from 8/28/15 10:00 PM to 8/30/15 12:00 PM for runway intersection paving, electrical, and maintenance work, SEMAC repairs to RWY 13 ILS pier, subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.

Just a heads up that we are probably screwed this weekend, unless by some miracle they decide to take off north over the water. Go to bed early!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 28, 2015, 08:59:33 PM
i don't believe they CAN take off over the water under this configuration, which sucks.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 29, 2015, 11:42:05 AM
Yes, I see the plane noise nightmare has begun... every minute or so...and so I'm plotting my escape to Manhattan/Brooklyn...for the rest of the day/evening...till midnight I suppose...It seems to be the only solution (apart from complaining which is no solution)...I can pro-actively come up with...
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Cyril108 on August 29, 2015, 12:26:57 PM
My understanding is that the plane noise has been much more frequent because there is a construction project happening on the runway that is normally used for take offs.  I think it has something to due with upgrading the runway to comply with safety regulations.  Can anyone confirm that this is the case?  Is there an elected official who can inform us about this?  It would be so helpful to know that there is an end date to this problem. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: earbears on August 29, 2015, 12:42:03 PM
It's again that the runway closing for the Federally mandated repairs and maintenance is being done. So this is the weekend that they are using the runway over our area.

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Cyril108 on August 29, 2015, 01:36:07 PM
What I'm wondering about is this just routine repairs/maintenance or are they closing the other runway much more often because of a construction project to upgrade the runway?  And does that mean there is an end in sight?  I've seen references to LGA needing to upgrade the runways to comply with federal regulations but nothing clearly connecting the needed upgrades and the runway closures.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 29, 2015, 02:14:36 PM
we get the brunt of construction less often than our neighbors in the path of the other runway -- the ones who get slammed by takeoffs 95 percent of the time.

having flown into and out of laguardia hundreds of times over the past 40 years, i can say i almost never take off over land/in our driection. i'm guessing those of you who travel out of that airport can say the same?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on August 29, 2015, 10:04:47 PM
we get the brunt of construction less often than our neighbors in the path of the other runway -- the ones who get slammed by takeoffs 95 percent of the time.

having flown into and out of laguardia hundreds of times over the past 40 years, i can say i almost never take off over land/in our driection. i'm guessing those of you who travel out of that airport can say the same?

You realize it's been happening more often in the past year or so?
If it doesn't bother you maybe they should direct the traffic over your place
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: 718mom on August 29, 2015, 10:53:28 PM
This thread is so strange to me because I am SO sensitive to noise, upstairs neighbor noise (not a problem now, I am on top floor), however, the plane noise does not bother me, I barely notice it, I always wonder, if we complain and they move, won't it hurt someone else's quality of life? Probably people who are unable to be activists like JH people.  The planes aren't here all of the time, and we are super close to an incredibly busy airport.  I mean, it was inevitable.   :) It could be worse and it will probably get better soon.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 30, 2015, 08:03:39 AM
i do realize it's happening more this year and last than in a long while. i also realize it was much worse in 1997 and 1998, the two years when i don't recall us getting a single weekend off between may and october. then, a decade or so of nearly unbroken peace, save for weather issues.

in this pattern, the planes fly directly over my place on 35th in the mid 70s. there have been two in the 90 seconds since i started this post. i don't like it, either. but this is a NIMBY issue where there is an automatic "Yes In Your Backyard" to neighboring communities.

we get the brunt of construction less often than our neighbors in the path of the other runway -- the ones who get slammed by takeoffs 95 percent of the time.

having flown into and out of laguardia hundreds of times over the past 40 years, i can say i almost never take off over land/in our driection. i'm guessing those of you who travel out of that airport can say the same?

You realize it's been happening more often in the past year or so?
If it doesn't bother you maybe they should direct the traffic over your place
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theprimetime on August 30, 2015, 09:03:54 AM
It's supposedly for "maintenance" but its every weekend now! Someone was telling me the planes are suppose to "take off" over the water because of the noise from throttling and landings occur from over land because it is quieter. It sounds right. I hope when they build this new airport they respect the neighborhood and do the right thing. The weekends are the only time most of us have to sleep late and no one wants to be disturbed by plane noise at 5:45 am on Saturdays and Sundays.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 30, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
Before I escape the neighborhood again today...or else be driven insane by this barrage of jets in my ear...we should be aware that other airports around the nation have been forced to sound insulate the homes that are affected by their plane noise....perhaps this is really the only practical solution to this terrible problem. Legally they are liable for the costs of soundproofing.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: hfm on August 30, 2015, 10:41:40 AM
It's supposedly for "maintenance" but its every weekend now! Someone was telling me the planes are suppose to "take off" over the water because of the noise from throttling and landings occur from over land because it is quieter. It sounds right. I hope when they build this new airport they respect the neighborhood and do the right thing. The weekends are the only time most of us have to sleep late and no one wants to be disturbed by plane noise at 5:45 am on Saturdays and Sundays.

I was wondering that as well, why not do it on the morning the most people have to get up around 6AM anyway? My guess is there's much more volume on weekdays and they can't.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 30, 2015, 11:03:47 AM
Before I escape the neighborhood again today...or else be driven insane by this barrage of jets in my ear...we should be aware that other airports around the nation have been forced to sound insulate the homes that are affected by their plane noise....perhaps this is really the only practical solution to this terrible problem. Legally they are liable for the costs of soundproofing.

that, I can agree with completely, and think it's possible to do far more quickly than a whole new transportation system. the port authority, the airlines, together, they should pay for this.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Grabey on August 30, 2015, 11:13:23 AM
Yes, better soundproofing is a must. These planes fly literally down my street (mid 70's). I flew out of LGA a couple of weeks ago and could make out my apartment and many other neighborhood buildings.
Today the planes started around 6am, there is a plane nearly every minute. Even with our double paned windows and the AC on we can hear them. We can't watch a movie without keeping our finger on the pause button and keeping the captions on. It's hard to make phone calls because there are always planes overhead. It's a major quality of life issue.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: venicepepa on August 30, 2015, 04:50:59 PM
Many years ago the neighborhood held a town meeting in St. Mark's Church with several representatives to address this same noise problem and we got results.  Why don't we do it again?

Costa Constantinides  New York City Council's 22nd District, which includes Astoria along with parts of Woodside, East Elmhurst, and Jackson Heights. He serves as the chair the City Council's Environmental Protection Committee and sits on six additional standing committees: Civil Service & Labor, Contracts, Cultural Affairs, Oversight & Investigations, Sanitation, and Transportation.
31-09 Newtown Avenue
Suite 209, Astoria NY 11102
District Office Phone
718-274-4500

Daniel Dromm New York City Council in 2010, the representative for District 25, Jackson Heights and Elmhurst
37-32 75th St. Jackson Heights, New York 11372
718-803-6373

Julissa Ferreras District 21 representative for District 21 - Elmhurst, East Elmhurst, Corona and Jackson Heights.
District Office Address
32-33A Junction Blvd East Elmhurst, NY 11369
District Office Phone
718-651-1917


And Jose Peralta  New York State Senator 13th Senate District
32-37 Junction Blvd.  East Elmhurst  718-205-3881


 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Cassat on September 01, 2015, 11:35:17 AM
I got a long-ish voice message yesterday from someone from the Port Authority of NY and NY who said he was calling in response to a complaint I had made (about a month ago) on their hotline (I was so disappointed to have missed that call).  He expressed thanks for my use of the hotline and said that the more calls that are made, the more visible the trend of noise disturbance becomes.  He further told me the info from such complaints are analysed and shared with "senior staff" and the FAA, and that I could look into the "Part 150 studies" that are ongoing regarding noise issues from Laguardia and JFK.  I assume he means the "Technical Advisory Committee" that the Port Authority formed to study existing and future aircraft noise exposure levels.

I have to say, I was AMAZED that an actual human being acknowledged the noise complaint I had logged with the Port Authority.  This alone will motivate me to log in more noise complaints for sure and I hope it encourages others, too.

Also, I would really like to study the Federal Code of Regulations Part 150 on Airport Noise Compatibility Planning (which looks unrelentingly tedious even for a rules geek like me):  http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=f8e6df268e3dad2edb848f61b9a0fb51&mc=true&node=pt14.3.150&rgn=div5

to really understand what the framework is and how to leverage it.  I'm also considering taking the afternoon off from work to attend the next Technical Advisory Committee meeting that's currently schedule at LaGuardia for October 7.  Port Authority has circulated a notice that says "Space for the TAC meetings will be limited. However, it will be open to the public".

Unfortunately, members of the public are also "asked to refrain" from commenting during TAC member discussions. But I'd like to go 1) to figure out how Port Authority is actually dealing with this on an official/legal/administrative level and 2) to show that members of "the public" are disturbed enough and care enough to show up.  If anyone else can take the time to attend and we can put in a good showing, that might make an impression somehow.  In any case, if I can make it, I'll post my report of what went on at the meeting.

Thank you, venicepapa, for providing the information for the town and district reps. I think a meeting at St. Mark's would be terrific and I would do everything possible to be there.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on September 01, 2015, 12:02:57 PM
Thank you, Cassat, for this very informative post.

I just briefly skimmed the Federal Code of Regulations Part 150 on Airport Noise Compatibility Planning, and this section seems pertinent (and slightly unnerving):

"Airport Noise Exposure. The yearly day-night average sound level (YDNL) must be employed for the analysis and characterization of multiple aircraft noise events and for determining the cumulative exposure of individuals to noise around airports."


Since it is the yearly average, perhaps this means the airport could inundate us with flights every weekend of the year --- just so long as the majority of the time (i.e., weekdays and also 11 p.m. to 8 a.m.) it is quiet enough to keep Jackson Heights' Yearly Day-Night Average Sound Level under whatever the legal threshold is.

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Cyril108 on September 01, 2015, 09:32:17 PM
Thanks Cassat.  That is very informative.  Unfortunately I can't attend on 10/7 but will try to attend a future meeting if possible.  Look forward to seeing your report. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhlifer35 on September 08, 2015, 10:25:43 AM
So this is a thread for people who knew this area is in a takeoff/departure corridor for a busy metropolitan airport and now are complaining about the noise of living in said corridor?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhjefe on September 08, 2015, 12:12:18 PM
"So this is a thread for people who knew this area is in a takeoff/departure corridor for a busy metropolitan airport and now are complaining about the noise of living in said corridor?"

F that noise! I see this useless argument way too often.  What does this hope to achieve?  Are you okay with the noise?  Do you want more noise? NYC used to have a high murder rate.  Should we have accepted that and told complainers that they should've known what they were getting into.
 Continuous, loud airplane noise for days at a time is not a given in JH or other nearby communities.  There are ways to minimize this. We know it depends on scheduling, sizes of aircraft permitted and other factors.  We know it depends on human decisions.  It is not a result of omnipotent force. We know it is not a zero sum game. We know it is detrimental to the health of residents.   If no one complains, and it doesn't factor into future planning it could get much worse with the new LGA expansion instead of getting better.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 08, 2015, 12:13:44 PM
This is a thread for folks complaining about the changes in airplane routes that have been implemented in the last few years...due to the new GPS based technology utilized by planes landing and departing from LGA... which enables planes to fly exactly the same route, with a separation of only a minute or so...and is a brand spanking novel ear-shattering development...and annoyance.

Does that make it clearer for you JHLIFER35? Or are you still confused... and sardonic?

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: luckyghost on September 08, 2015, 12:31:40 PM
It's really NOT a departure corridor is the thing... I mean it can be if needed, but it's generally avoided for, yes, noise abatement issues. Runway maintenance seems like it's been the main culprit, and I hope it's true that projects are due to wrap up in September.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Lilybell on September 09, 2015, 11:25:50 AM
Quote
So this is a thread for people who knew this area is in a takeoff/departure corridor for a busy metropolitan airport and now are complaining about the noise of living in said corridor?

If you bothered to read the entire thread, you'd see that these are recent changes. I did my research when I moved here 10 years ago to make sure JH wasn't under a flight path, so nice try but you are wrong.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: I live here too on September 09, 2015, 04:38:05 PM
"So this is a thread for people who knew this area is in a takeoff/departure corridor for a busy metropolitan airport and now are complaining about the noise of living in said corridor?"

It appears as if this poster signed onto JH Life two minutes before this comment. I would not take it personally because I suspect that there may be a an agenda involved. Perhaps.

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on September 09, 2015, 10:44:19 PM
doesn't everyone have an agenda of some kind?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhjefe on September 09, 2015, 11:37:09 PM
"
Quote
doesn't everyone have an agenda of some kind?"

yes, even trolls like you.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: I live here too on September 10, 2015, 09:42:59 AM
"
Quote
doesn't everyone have an agenda of some kind?"

yes, even trolls like you.

This is a very rude comment to an established member of this message board. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on September 10, 2015, 09:54:28 AM
From an email sent by Danny Dromm's office this morning:

Over the past two years Jackson Heights has seen a change to flight patterns in and out of LaGuradia Airport that has negatively impacted our quality of life.  As a resident of 78th Street, I am personally aware of how much these changes have affected our community.  In recent months you contacted my office to ask that I take action to change this situation.  I write to you now to give you some information about the steps I have taken to reduce the impact of these changes on our neighborhood and to explain the limitations on the City’s ability to regulate aircraft noise.
 
In response to increased airplane noise, in 2013 I held a community forum that was attended by representatives from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the Federal Aviation Administration, community members and Queens Quiet Skies, a local organization working to reduce the impact of airplane noise on our community.  This meeting lead to an increased dialogue between the community and the FAA and Port Authority, including regular updates from the Port Authority about changes to flight patterns.  In addition I have helped bring this issue to the attention of the media and in May of this year joined with Queens Quiet Skies at the Jackson Heights Green Market to sign up new members. I believe that this kind of community advocacy is the only way we are going to solve this problem.
 
Some of you have asked that I attempt to apply local noise ordinances to the problem or create new legislation to prohibit the noise from occurring at certain times.  As a resident who is experiencing the same frustrations over this disruption in our quality of life, I understand the impulse to ask for these changes.  Unfortunately, however, passing laws to prevent aircraft noise is simply not within the power of the City Council.  In the 1970s the Supreme Court determined that in matters involving aircraft noise the powers of the federal government take precedence over the local governments like the New York City Council.  What this means in practice is that any existing or new city noise laws as applied to the airlines or airports are simply unenforceable. 
 
I know that this information is disheartening but there is still some good news.  In the last few months we have experienced increased noise almost every weekend.  My office has been told by the Port Authority that this is a temporary change.  According to the Port Authority federally mandated safety upgrades have required changing flight patterns on weekends.  These upgrades are meant to be fully completed by the end of 2015.  This does not mean that we will see a complete absence of noise from planes flying in and out of LaGuardia but it does mean that we should see a significant reduction of noise in the next few months.
 
For now the best thing that we can do as a community is to support and work with Queens Quiet Skies to advocate for reduced noise from LaGuardia in our neighborhood.  My office will continue to offer the organization the support it needs to carry on its very important work.  If you would like to donate time or resources to the organization or would simply like to learn more about this issue, please visit www.queensquietskies.org. 
 
Because of our advocacy, Jackson Heights has logged the highest number of complaints with the Port Authority as this DNAinfo article points out. Here is a link to the DNAinfo article: https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150820/jackson-heights/jackson-heights-tops-list-of-airport-noise-complaints
 
I am also working closely with Congressman Joseph Crowley, Congresswoman Grace Meng, Senator José Peralta, Senator Toby Ann Stavisky, Assemblyman Michael DenDekker, Assemblyman Francisco Moya  and Council Member Julissa Ferreras on this issue.
 
I hope that this information has been helpful to you. Please know that my staff and I are here to answer any questions you might have, however, complaints about specific noise should be directed to the Port Authority at (800) 225-1071 or online at http://www.panynj.gov.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhjefe on September 10, 2015, 10:58:36 AM
Thank you for posting abu.  Very informative and on-topic.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on September 10, 2015, 04:29:18 PM
"
Quote
doesn't everyone have an agenda of some kind?"

yes, even trolls like you.

thank you for the well-thought out, well-mannered response. always nice to see the level of discourse raised.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: I live here too on September 10, 2015, 06:11:54 PM
From the rules:

No name calling: Don't call people names. This includes calling someone a troll.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: hfm on September 10, 2015, 10:31:23 PM
So this is a thread for people who knew this area is in a takeoff/departure corridor for a busy metropolitan airport and now are complaining about the noise of living in said corridor?

When I moved in, I made sure I wasn't in the flight path. I suppose I shouldn't be naive to think it couldn't change since I do live so close to an airport. But I did my homework. Thankfully it's only when there's runway maintenance.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on September 10, 2015, 10:48:54 PM
this summer is the worst in a long while. but, as a semi-longtime resident, i recall the mid 90s being worse. maybe those who've lived here longer than my 20 years have longer term perspective?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on September 11, 2015, 09:19:00 AM
this summer is the worst in a long while. but, as a semi-longtime resident, i recall the mid 90s being worse. maybe those who've lived here longer than my 20 years have longer term perspective?

We get it, you had it worst.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: JHres on September 11, 2015, 09:33:24 AM
To answer DSSJH's question: we first moved to JH Nov 81 and stayed throughout the eighties. Aircraft noise due to planes taking off over JH, similar to what we experience weekly today, occurred perhaps twice a year then, due to runway closures for maintenance.

Back then we complained about planes landing into La Guardia when it was rainy or foggy, but the noise and disruption was nothing compared to what we have today.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Cassat on September 11, 2015, 09:41:56 AM
this summer is the worst in a long while. but, as a semi-longtime resident, i recall the mid 90s being worse. maybe those who've lived here longer than my 20 years have longer term perspective?

dssjh, you've certainly been here far longer than I have, so I value that perspective you bring to this and other topics of discussion. In the present case, it actually makes me feel a tiny bit better to hear that that the airplane noise was worse in the 90s!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Grabey on September 11, 2015, 03:51:51 PM
Just to add another complaint...last night (9/10) there were  few planes that took off around 11:30pm and flew directly over 75th/76th St. I'm getting more used to the plane noise (unfortunately) but having planes that loud overhead at that time of night is kind of ridiculous. I guess that maybe flights were delayed due to the storms yesterday; I really hope that this isn't part of a larger pattern of evening flights taking off with this flight pattern.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on September 11, 2015, 04:18:17 PM
those were really loud. i live at 35/76, so i know exactly what you mean. hope this doesn't mean late night flights are increasing.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Grabey on September 11, 2015, 11:14:14 PM
It's happening again tonight!!! Nooooo!!!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Ms. Jackson on September 11, 2015, 11:33:52 PM
I just heard one, too :( 11:30p is ridiculously late.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on September 12, 2015, 07:37:59 AM
Started just before 7am today. Loud, every 90 seconds for 10 minutes. Now every three minutes.
JOY!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Grabey on September 12, 2015, 08:27:03 AM
Ok last night we had planes till 11:30. Now we have a constant stream of planes which started at 8am (or maybe earlier, but I was fortunately still asleep!). One plane goes by, there's about a 30 second break, then another one.
This is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: I live here too on September 12, 2015, 09:39:37 AM
I live in the upper eighties, this morning, planes are audible from inside my apt which is unusual.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 12, 2015, 10:04:03 AM
The nightmare continues...I had invited pals from Brooklyn and Manhattan to come and have lunch in one of the great Tibetan restaurants here...I am canceling that...I wouldn't submit any of my friends to this very unpleasant situation....instead I will suggest  to go to them...in another boro...for some relief for me from this abuse of sane living conditions. ... This is terrible for the neighborhood. Financially and liveability-wise.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: francis on September 12, 2015, 10:58:10 AM
No one hates the noise more than me...I think. But don't be fool. Every neighborhood has its share.  The property values are pretty high in Howard Beach and there the noise is a consistent unrelenting event.  I don't see people fleeing from there. I was at a meeting in Grammacy yesterday and there the noise consisted of fire trucks and construction throughout the day.  Yes the plane noise is quite disturbing, unbearable at times especially when coupled with blaring radio music from cars. leaf blowers and lawn mowers. It's how the community responds that is most important.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 12, 2015, 11:25:17 AM
I am actually not talking about property values...though this constant airplane noise can't be a positive for those either!...I am saying that I (and others) will be spending my greenbacks elsewhere...in other businesses/restaurants... in other boros...anything and anywhere... to escape from feeling constantly under attack by jet planes...every minute or so... And stop me from feeling CRANKY due to early morning and late night sleep disruptions... because of goddam plane noise..!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhjefe on September 12, 2015, 11:32:01 AM
Agreed abc,  another weekend of splitting headaches or a weekend of activities in another neighborhood.  Noise is too loud to keep windows open but the day is too nice to spend locked inside.  Not a great choice but an easy one after a whole summer of this.

Btw,  many residents in my building have been here since the 60s.  They all agree that this is the worst they've ever heard.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhjefe on September 12, 2015, 11:42:48 AM
I may have missed it in previous posts on this thread but is there an easy way to get a forecast of when they intend to do flyovers?  Will make planning weekends away much easier.

A side note : Spent few weekends this summer in Venice beach and drove right by LAX a few times. 747s taking off directly over the car at a much lower altitude than the planes over 34th ave here.  For some reason seemed much quieter.  Could hear the radio,  have a regular conversation etc.  there must be something in the air here.  Maybe they are taking off at a steeper initial climb?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Ecrivain on September 12, 2015, 12:08:46 PM
Just for the record, the first one I heard this morning was at 5:56 AM as I recall. They were sparse for awhile but now quite frequent. Also I notice that there's no announcement from the Port Authority on WebTrak, which is disturbing. In the past I've noticed such announcements (runway work this weekend etc).

If it helps at all, neighbors who've been here much longer tell me it's been common for some years to have aircraft noise on Saturdays. Many attribute it to the US Open, though I can't see that it's correlated at all.

Has anybody noticed any kind of announcement from the Port Authority?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhjefe on September 12, 2015, 12:18:55 PM
Just for the record, the first one I heard this morning was at 5:56 AM as I recall.

If it helps at all, neighbors who've been here much longer tell me it's been common for some years to have aircraft noise on Saturdays. Many attribute it to the US Open, though I can't see that it's correlated at all.

Has anybody noticed any kind of announcement from the Port Authority?


Yep 6am was my wake up call.  And Good point about the U.S. Open, Federer plays tomorrow so I won't take any chances.  May be the last good weekend of the season for a trip to the hamptons.  Looking forward to sleeping in tomorrow morning with some fresh, quiet air wafting in the windows.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on September 12, 2015, 12:20:39 PM
In case you're looking for the number to complain: 1 (800) 225-1071

Here's the link to file the complaint online: http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/qs114wbt.php

Here you can track flight paths over the neighborhood, noise levels in one meter in JH area and see planned runway closures: http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Cassat on September 12, 2015, 10:24:59 PM
In case you're looking for the number to complain: 1 (800) 225-1071

Here's the link to file the complaint online: http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/qs114wbt.php

Here you can track flight paths over the neighborhood, noise levels in one meter in JH area and see planned runway closures: http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj

Thank you abu benuska, your post prompted me to lodge another complaint today - I, too, was awakened at 6 am and we've been hearing the planes all throughout the day.

I suggest we put the Port Authority Airport Noise Complaints number into our "Contacts" on our phones as I just did, if that will facilitate the most systematic logging in of complaints (actually I prefer to do it online at the planenoise.com site, because it's easier for me to write a detailed complaint than it is to state one over the phone, but whatever works best).
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Formosa on September 13, 2015, 06:39:32 AM
In case you're looking for the number to complain: 1 (800) 225-1071

Here's the link to file the complaint online: http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/qs114wbt.php

Here you can track flight paths over the neighborhood, noise levels in one meter in JH area and see planned runway closures: http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj

Thank you for the reminder.  And, for those who care to, here are the links to State and Federal elected officials who actually control the purses of PANYNJ & the FAA, in contrast to Dromm, who can only draw attention to the issue:

State Senator Peralta:
http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/jose-peralta/contact

State Assemblyman DenDekker:
http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/Michael-G-DenDekker/contact/

U.S. Senator Schumer:
http://www.schumer.senate.gov/contact/email-chuck

U.S. Senator Gillibrand:
http://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/contact/

U.S. Representative Crowley:
https://crowley.house.gov/contact-me

Please note your State reps could be different depending on address.  Thank you for your time!  Finally, it should be noted that the Queens Quiet Skies folks are in dialogue with Schumer already, the results of which I'm unaware.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: gemmabean on September 13, 2015, 07:35:06 AM
Thanks so much to Formosa and abu benuska for supplying complaint information.  I've made complaints and will continue to do so.  I will also be happy to be a part of a class-action suit if that's what this comes to.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on September 13, 2015, 09:48:11 AM
Class action suit against the FAA sounds like a great idea. Where do sign up?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on September 13, 2015, 10:49:12 AM
I also posted another noise complaint today! But a "class action lawsuit" sounds ridiculous. I haven't heard that the airport is breaking any laws, just that it's being a bad neighbor. Which is not illegal.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhjefe on September 13, 2015, 08:07:38 PM
Class action lawsuit is great idea.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 14, 2015, 03:14:31 PM
FYI....From the Jackson Heights Families list...

"the situation will get even worse when the construction is completed.
The construction is being done to accommodate 4-engine planes, which will
be even louder than the 3-engine planes we are currently hearing."

I absolutely believe this and I don't trust the airports or Port Authority or any of these organizations that will benefit from our misery...to do with plane noise.

The Port Authority promised to work with us as a community previously and stop the noise.
Didn't happen.

Shame on YOU for fooling us once.
But shame on US if we are fooled twice.

There is no noise monitor around 37th Ave...if you check the map.

I suggest one gets installed so we can prove the (illegal) nightmare conditions we are forced to endure.

We have been alerted to the future...and now we are fools if we do not rally against it.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on September 14, 2015, 04:01:11 PM

"The construction is being done to accommodate 4-engine planes, which will
be even louder than the 3-engine planes we are currently hearing."


Where is the evidence for this completely dubious assertion?
( I do not consider a post on JHfamilies to be evidence.)
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on September 14, 2015, 04:50:55 PM
FYI....From the Jackson Heights Families list...

"the situation will get even worse when the construction is completed.
The construction is being done to accommodate 4-engine planes, which will
be even louder than the 3-engine planes we are currently hearing."

This is nonsense.

The only 4-engine planes currently in use are the Boeing 747, Airbus A340 and Airbus A380. They're unpopular with airlines except for on super-long-haul routes, because they're fuel inefficient. This comment is already nonsense because most planes at LaGuardia - most planes in the sky - are twinjets (two engines). Trijets (three engines) are considered to be an older, generally obsolete design.

Now, yes, you could land a 747 on LaGuardia's 7,000-foot runway. And if you google for videos, you will see that airlines have. No additional work needed. You could do it tomorrow. But if airlines want to fly transatlantic into LGA, they could do it with 757s, 777s, or 787s, all twinjets. Nobody is talking about flying A380s into LGA.

So this whole thing about "number of engines" sounds silly. It's probably a mistake based on the real fact that airlines are talking about flying transatlantic into LGA, made by someone who hasn't flown in 30 years and so who thinks long-haul means L-1011s and 747s.

And yes, airlines are talking about flying transatlantic into the "new LGA" (they can't do it until the renovation because, no customs and no secure area.)
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on September 15, 2015, 09:17:21 AM
Obviously "theplanesland" is a troll working for the FAA or someone with skin in the game. Don't call people silly and try and disprove what obviously is a problem for the neighborhood or are these 14 pages of complaints just no big deal? Maybe change your name if you want any credibility. To say that a suit is ridiculous is ridiculous. They are breaking basic laws of noise pollution and damaging the quality of life for the residents here. When the planes are taking off over the neighborhood from 5am until midnight, I cannot sleep I cannot sit and relax in my house not walk around the neighborhood it's so loud. This is unreasonable and should be addressed with more vigor. Why change up the flight patterns when it hasn't been this way for decades?

It has already been said many times there aren't enough noise monitors at LGA so why not? If it's true there isnt one on 37th maybe they're flying over my house on 76th because there aren't any? Other communities have fought this and won (Santa Cruz) so why can't we get a proper monitoring system?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Lilybell on September 15, 2015, 10:26:41 AM
Jason, you have 13 posts here and he has over 300. theplanesland is a long-time poster, not a troll. Please be civil.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhjefe on September 15, 2015, 10:39:58 AM
Jason, you have 13 posts here and he has over 300. theplanesland is a long-time poster, not a troll. Please be civil.

It is important to identify those who are posting solely to disrupt the intent of a particular thread.  Troll is an concise and accurate term in this case.  Quantity of posts shouldn't be a measure of value.  Don't shoot the messenger.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on September 15, 2015, 10:41:00 AM
Jason, you have 13 posts here and he has over 300. theplanesland is a long-time poster, not a troll. Please be civil.

it does seem like the newly-registered single-issue users -- or perhaps, the singular would be more appropriate -- are tossing around the word "troll" a whole lot in very similarly worded screeds. it's indicative of a certain mindset that we've rarely seen on this board, which is normally reserved for civil discourse.

using the conspiracy-theory "logic" expressed here, one could posit that the influx of new alarm-sounding posts about how the neighborhood is doomed by airplanes is entirely the product of real-estate interests bent on scaring owners into bailing out and selling while prices are high and commissions are plentiful. that's *exactly* as logical as longtime residents being FAA plants.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhjefe on September 15, 2015, 10:45:59 AM
Jason, you have 13 posts here and he has over 300. theplanesland is a long-time poster, not a troll. Please be civil.

it does seem like the newly-registered single-issue users -- or perhaps, the singular would be more appropriate -- are tossing around the word "troll" a whole lot in very similarly worded screeds. it's indicative of a certain mindset that we've rarely seen on this board, which is normally reserved for civil discourse.

Why not start a thread titled "airplane noise is fine- let's have more".  This seems to be the mystery agenda you've referred to in the past.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: luckyghost on September 15, 2015, 10:58:56 AM
They can fly 8-engine planes out of LGA for all I care so long as they don't take off from runway 22.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Chuckster on September 15, 2015, 11:09:33 AM
Moderator Note:    This thread on airplane noise is obviously a topic which is of concern to many residents in the Jackson Heights community.  As with all threads, JHL encourages discussion and varying viewpoints from its forum members.  As moderators, we ask that you please keep JHL's forum rules (see link below) in mind when posting.  Thanks!

Rules and Guidelines for This Site (http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=48.msg118#msg118)

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhjefe on September 15, 2015, 11:50:25 AM
Quote
Quote from: dssjh on Today at 10:41:00 AM

it does seem like the newly-registered single-issue users -- or perhaps, the singular would be more appropriate -- are tossing around the word "troll" a whole lot in very similarly worded screeds. it's indicative of a certain mindset that we've rarely seen on this board, which is normally reserved for civil discourse.



you are free to post your falsehoods and logical fallacies.  we are free to recognize them as such.  you are fighting the intent of this thread - we've heard you, oh civilized one.  start a new thread if you want to be useful otherwise you are part of the problem but we can work around you.  thanks

REMINDER TO ALL:  Please keep discussions on topic.  See post #214, above.  Thanks!  --  JHL Moderators
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on September 15, 2015, 12:39:09 PM
Obviously "theplanesland" is a troll working for the FAA or someone with skin in the game. Don't call people silly and try and disprove what obviously is a problem for the neighborhood or are these 14 pages of complaints just no big deal? Maybe change your name if you want any credibility. To say that a suit is ridiculous is ridiculous. They are breaking basic laws of noise pollution and damaging the quality of life for the residents here. When the planes are taking off over the neighborhood from 5am until midnight, I cannot sleep I cannot sit and relax in my house not walk around the neighborhood it's so loud. This is unreasonable and should be addressed with more vigor. Why change up the flight patterns when it hasn't been this way for decades?

Claiming that planes landing at LGA currently have three engines is untrue and shows little knowledge of aviation. Claiming that four-engine planes will be landing there soon is probably untrue. On the other hand, saying, for instance, that there will be more long-haul traffic coming into LGA after the renovation - using two-engine planes - is a good bet, and if you want to be angry about expanded traffic at LGA, that's something to be angry about.

I'm just trying to keep people realistic and grounded (ha, ha) here. What are these "basic laws of noise pollution?" Are they like the basic laws of physics? Did you know that in 2012 Congress exempted NextGen-related changes from environmental review? [http://www.cbsnews.com/news/faa-new-air-traffic-control-system-nextgen-causing-major-noise-pollution/]

Rather than say "rar rar rar LAWSUIT" with no apparent actual clues or specifics (hint: "I don't like this" doesn't mean "it's illegal") I think it's more productive to focus on things we can actually do. For instance, keep up the pressure on Danny Dromm to address this, which he's doing. It would be great if we could escalate this to make sure Congressman Crowley is on the case, as the FAA is federally regulated. Governor Cuomo, via the Port Authority, controls LaGuardia. He's an awful human, but maybe there's some pressure that can be placed there.

I, too, hate waking up at 6am to the airplane takeoffs - and yes, I live right under them too. I'd like to do something about it other than forming an incoherent mob based on false assumptions and mystical shibboleths about "lawsuits."
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 15, 2015, 12:55:42 PM
The Congress declares that it is the policy of the United States
to promote an environment for all Americans free from
noise that jeopardizes their health or welfare."
NOISE CONTROL ACT of 1972
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on September 15, 2015, 01:10:33 PM
The Congress declares that it is the policy of the United States
to promote an environment for all Americans free from
noise that jeopardizes their health or welfare."
NOISE CONTROL ACT of 1972

Nope. " Under the Act the FAA is required to hold public hearings on aircraft noise regulations proposed by the EPA but is not required to adopt the regulations." http://airportnoiselaw.org/acts.html

Then: "Noise regulation subsided sharply in 1981, when Congress ended funding for the NCA. EPA had pre-empted lower levels of government from regulating sources, so states could not legislate standards such as for truck noise emissions. Thus, in areas where the federal government had failed to promulgate clear standards (such as aircraft noise), no further progress could be made except by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), which has an inherent conflict of interest regarding noise regulation." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_regulation#Follow-up_on_initial_U.S._laws

But there may be other laws in the long list of laws I linked above that are more relevant. More importantly, it would be nice if an actual lawyer who had an actual clue could opine.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 15, 2015, 01:52:16 PM
I am no lawyer.

But let's try and be smart and force the FAA to hold more public meetings concerning airport noise.

The more this issue is not hidden/swept away under the rug...the harder it will be for the FAA to get away with creating airport noise misery for us.

The last thing the FAA wants...I believe... is public scrutiny.  Just like the Mafia.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on September 15, 2015, 01:57:16 PM
I am no lawyer.

But let's try and be smart and force the FAA to hold more public meetings concerning airport noise.

I think that's a great idea. And I think focusing on Congressman Crowley might be the right avenue, as that's the level the FAA operates on. Here's his email form - we should all write! https://crowley.house.gov/contact-me/email-me
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on September 15, 2015, 02:41:29 PM
it is a very good idea. without sounding like the old fogey yet again, we had a LOT of those shortly after Rep. Crowley took office, maybe one every 4-6 weeks. he was very receptive, very good at listening, but not a lot came of it (although things did quiet down for a few years). there was a woman, whose name escapes me at the moment, who lived near the landing lights park and seemed to be the linchpin of a lot of the activity.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: temujin on September 15, 2015, 11:31:31 PM
What about asking PA to expense medical bill for hearing issue, or depression due to constantly loud noise or vibrating every few minutes, (some of the worst day is like living in a war zone, excuse my exaggeration  :-\).

I wish this is something mandatory that the broker list the property is in the current flight paths, definitely something would factor when buying.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on September 16, 2015, 12:55:05 AM
Jason, you have 13 posts here and he has over 300. theplanesland is a long-time poster, not a troll. Please be civil.

Calling someone out for being a troll is not being 'civil'? Umm ok, just because someone is newish to the board doesn't make their ideas any less valid or the longtime poster more.

I don't think you understand what a troll is if you don't recognize this as one. See jhjefe's posts above for clarification.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on September 16, 2015, 07:24:50 AM
Jason, you have 13 posts here and he has over 300. theplanesland is a long-time poster, not a troll. Please be civil.

Calling someone out for being a troll is not being 'civil'? Umm ok, just because someone is newish to the board doesn't make their ideas any less valid or the longtime poster more.

I don't think you understand what a troll is if you don't recognize this as one. See jhjefe's posts above for clarification.

A troll is someone who falsely misrepresents their opinion, or exaggerates it, in order to 'get a rise' out of people or elicit an emotional reaction. Trolls typically do what they do 'for the lulz,' which is the enjoyment of watching other people experience extreme negative emotions or discomfort.

I'm kind of the opposite: I want us to actually take action that would help improve the situation. I think that requires being clear and accurate about what the situation is and what the possible remedies are, and not misrepresenting anything or demanding impractical or impossible action.

Right now, I'm thinking that a mass letter-writing campaign to Crowley's office (Dromm is already on our side) to demand more hearings and more transparency from the FAA is the way to go. Dssjh points out that the last time this was an issue, that happened and then things quieted down for a while. That's my experience too; I've been in the neighborhood for eight years, and this has really only been bad since the runway reconstruction thing started less than a year ago. These government organizations tend to respond to squeaky wheels, so let's squeak!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhjefe on September 16, 2015, 01:00:26 PM

Right now, I'm thinking that a mass letter-writing campaign to Crowley's office (Dromm is already on our side) to demand more hearings and more transparency from the FAA is the way to go. Dssjh points out that the last time this was an issue, that happened and then things quieted down for a while. That's my experience too; I've been in the neighborhood for eight years, and this has really only been bad since the runway reconstruction thing started less than a year ago. These government organizations tend to respond to squeaky wheels, so let's squeak!

Thank-you.  This is helpful.  Look,  we're being forced to defend the livability of our neighborhood.  This thread has yielded some good ideas.  Unless, any idea can be proven to be a waste of energy it shouldn't be dismissed - all valid paths should be explored.  So far, I haven't seen any compelling reason to dismiss the idea of a class action lawsuit.  Sounds like a great idea and should be discussed further - what better way to be the squeaky wheel as you so appropriately call for.  Calling it ridiculous and referring to those interested in learning more about it an incoherent mob is counter productive to the obvious intent of the thread.  You want to elaborate, suggest alternatives?  Great!  Please do.  If all you do is post to derail an idea without any good reasons or alternatives other users should call that out.

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on September 16, 2015, 02:24:00 PM
Quote
  So far, I haven't seen any compelling reason to dismiss the idea of a class action lawsuit. 

Fair point. However, as theplansesland pointed out,  when people say "class action lawsuit", without referring to a law that has been broken, it often appears to be bluster.

If someone can here identify a law that is being broken with these spectacularly quality-of-life impacting flights and their noise, then that's a starting point. If not,  they should talk to lawyers, or identify an analogous suit that has been brought as precedent. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: JH101 on September 16, 2015, 02:37:20 PM
Maybe we should get the Media involved. NY1 has a weekly segment called NY1 for you which is pretty effective in getting issues resolved.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/contact-us.html

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhjefe on September 16, 2015, 02:54:20 PM
Quote
  So far, I haven't seen any compelling reason to dismiss the idea of a class action lawsuit. 

Fair point. However, as theplansesland pointed out,  when people say "class action lawsuit", without referring to a law that has been broken, it often appears to be bluster.

If someone can here identify a law that is being broken with these spectacularly quality-of-life impacting flights and their noise, then that's a starting point. If not,  they should talk to lawyers, or identify an analogous suit that has been brought as precedent.

Let's see. 

1. who cares about what appears to be bluster to whom?
2. Discussion of involving lawyers has already been indicated on the thread.  OBV. 

what else are you adding?  oh, that's what i thought. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhjefe on September 16, 2015, 03:00:15 PM
Maybe we should get the Media involved. NY1 has a weekly segment called NY1 for you which is pretty effective in getting issues resolved.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/contact-us.html

Yes!  Thank you!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on September 16, 2015, 04:24:33 PM
Quote
1. who cares about what appears to be bluster to whom?


To quote an actual lawyer: "Vagueness in legal threats is the hallmark of meritless thuggery"; I would add that it makes you appear less formidable to your opponents and easily dismissed by gatekeepers to legal and political processes who can just say "oh, that crank".

You've been singularly aggressive to anyone that dares suggest that ideas that are put forward should have a grounding in reality before gathering a crowd to support them.

The amount of time people spend in an online community DOES have relevance for participation; people spend time and effort building a community consensus, norms and trust in interaction with each other online. For someone to come in after a few weeks on the board and say "time in  doesn't matter" is the same as someone coming into a neighborhood and saying "I'm new here, I want to ignore everyone's norms that have existed for a while and you should all listen to me now".

You are out of step with the culture - and people - of this board by attacking people WHO SHARE YOUR GOALS. Please accept this olive branch and stop attacking and trying to silence people (the very sin you accuse others of!) with one liners like "what are you adding" and "you troll".

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Superclam on September 16, 2015, 04:49:39 PM
^ Well said.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhjefe on September 16, 2015, 04:59:13 PM
Quote
1. who cares about what appears to be bluster to whom?


To quote an actual lawyer: "Vagueness in legal threats is the hallmark of meritless thuggery"; I would add that it makes you appear less formidable to your opponents and easily dismissed by gatekeepers to legal and political processes who can just say "oh, that crank".



Are you kidding?  We are on a forum exploring ideas.  trying to stay on track.  others, like you are, right now, are only serving to derail the discussion.  c'mon,  no one needs to look formidable right now.  please stay on topic.  let others brainstorm.  thanks.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on September 16, 2015, 05:23:00 PM
you, my dear, are not the sole arbiter of what can and can't be said out here. you are not the sole arbiter of what direction debate can take. you are not the sole arbiter of what "staying on topic" is.

you are entitled to speak. you are not entitled to tell others not to speak. you are not entitled to decide what direction a conversation will take. you are, in short, not as entitled as you obviously imagine.
 
Quote
1. who cares about what appears to be bluster to whom?


To quote an actual lawyer: "Vagueness in legal threats is the hallmark of meritless thuggery"; I would add that it makes you appear less formidable to your opponents and easily dismissed by gatekeepers to legal and political processes who can just say "oh, that crank".



Are you kidding?  We are on a forum exploring ideas.  trying to stay on track.  others, like you are, right now, are only serving to derail the discussion.  c'mon,  no one needs to look formidable right now.  please stay on topic.  let others brainstorm.  thanks.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on September 16, 2015, 07:02:43 PM
We clearly all need a good night's sleep. And ideally, to be able to sleep in on a Sunday morning.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Miss Chatelaine on September 16, 2015, 08:01:37 PM
I got an email with this petition today so hopefully at least some here will want to sign it.  "It asks for help from our congressional reps around the country to support many of the same issues raised in the recent Letter from the House Congressional caucus to the House Subcommittee on Transportation."

https://www.change.org/p/members-of-congress-urge-congress-to-adopt-regulations-to-reduce-airplane-noise?recruiter=31196273&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive

As far as politicians, I think Crowley might be part of the caucus they mentioned above. He is definitely a supporter so it's worth keeping him up to date on how many of his constituents support his efforts on airplane noise reduction. From what I've gathered, we really need attention and support from Senators Schumer and Gillibrand in order to gain some traction.

In my opinion, Melinda Katz is the key figure on the local level so everyone who is inclined should be in touch with her office.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on September 17, 2015, 11:06:41 AM
Thanks to those of you who are staying on topic and remembering one of the most important rules of this site:

"We're not strangers. Given the nature of this online community having real world connections to a real community (Jackson Heights and nearby neighborhoods) it's important to keep in mind that what happens here is not limited to the void of the internet. What you say, and how you behave here has an impact on (and will be read by) your neighbors. Please treat others with the same respect you would like to receive in return. This isn't just a random internet site with people you'll never meet."

To review the full set of rules for JHL, go to Rules and Guidelines for This Site (http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=48.0)

--Shelby2, Moderator
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on September 18, 2015, 11:05:06 PM
From http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4
Runway 13/31 will be closed from 9/18/15 10:00 PM to 9/20/15 12:00 PM for runway safety area, electrical, and maintenance work, subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on September 19, 2015, 06:57:44 AM
A new weekend tradition for me: wake up (be woken up) at 6am, file a noise complaint.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on September 19, 2015, 08:31:41 AM
A new weekend tradition for me: wake up (be woken up) at 6am, file a noise complaint.


Ditto. Driving me insane.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Miss Chatelaine on September 19, 2015, 08:44:46 AM

Reminder there is also this national petition that's worth signing and circulating.

Urge Congress to adopt regulations to reduce airplane noise

https://www.change.org/p/members-of-congress-urge-congress-to-adopt-regulations-to-reduce-airplane-noise?recruiter=31196273&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on September 19, 2015, 08:54:39 AM
6am here too.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Ms. Jackson on September 19, 2015, 09:18:42 AM
Doesn't bode well for a pleasant Viva La Comida, today.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on September 19, 2015, 09:33:54 AM
A new weekend tradition for me: wake up (be woken up) at 6am, file a noise complaint.

Me too. Kid couldn't get back to sleep either. I doubled down with a letter to Crowley at the same time.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 19, 2015, 10:53:18 AM
Yet again our weekends are ruined.

I feel we are paying NY/real estate/income etc taxes...to fund situations in order for us to be tortured by ear-shattering plane noise....

So, once more...I must plan to escape the neighborhood for the day...to Manhattan or Brooklyn until at  least midnight...to restore my sanity...

Grumpy.  Very grumpy.

Have sent complaints etc...





Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on September 19, 2015, 11:15:16 AM
I am glad that this thread exists, and it is helpful to vent and exchange ideas. And filing noise complaints with the Port Authority certainly can't hurt.

But I think the most beneficial thing we should all do is contact our state and federal representatives about this issue.

Cutting and pasting from an earlier reply. (Thank you, Formosa).

State Senator Peralta:
http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/jose-peralta/contact

State Assemblyman DenDekker:
http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/Michael-G-DenDekker/contact/

U.S. Senator Schumer:
http://www.schumer.senate.gov/contact/email-chuck

U.S. Senator Gillibrand:
http://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/contact/

U.S. Representative Crowley:
https://crowley.house.gov/contact-me

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on September 19, 2015, 11:57:41 AM
I love waking up to deafening airplane roars every weekend, awesome
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on September 19, 2015, 12:27:20 PM
likewise up since six. walked over to woodside to do some errands mid morning and noticed that things seem the very worst between 73rd or so and the BQE....maybe that's a place where planes bank or something ... but above our place on 76th, it's deafening.

hoping Rep. Crowley will be receptive to the idea of town hall meetings. as i said up-thread, he was very receptive way back when, but he's moved up the washington food chain since -- that sometimes (not always) has an impact on attitudes.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on September 19, 2015, 05:25:50 PM
From http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4
Runway 13/31 will be closed from 9/18/15 10:00 PM to 9/20/15 12:00 PM for runway safety area, electrical, and maintenance work, subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.

Do you know when they usually post these anoucements?
Why do we have to find out the runway is closed when we get the awaken at 6am?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on September 19, 2015, 06:09:00 PM
This is tre message I sent to all representatives on the links posted above. (Thanks for posting!)

I am a resident of Jackson Heights, Queens, NY. Writing to ask that you please take action to stop the plane noise from Laguardia airport. It's been madening. My wife wants us to move. I woke up at 6am today, a saturday, because of it. It's happening every weekend. It didnt use to be this way. As far as I'm concerned, Laguardia should be closed and turned into a park. It was built when Queens was a farway place and now more than 500,000 people live near it. Please take leadership on this issue. Thanks for your work!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on September 19, 2015, 07:09:34 PM
Full of cell phone typos, but done.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: chagerty on September 19, 2015, 07:38:11 PM
I emailed every representative on that list - I also added Daniel Dromm.
Thank you all of keeping these links posted! :)

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on September 19, 2015, 07:38:42 PM
Full of cell phone typos, but done.

They make it more authentic.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on September 19, 2015, 10:31:13 PM
Full of cell phone typos, but done.

They make it more authentic.

:-) I wish there was a like button here.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: specanha on September 19, 2015, 11:15:52 PM
It's past 11 p.m. Am I hallucinating or we had plane noise today from 6 a.m. till now, at every 5 minutes or less? This is surreal. I'm spamming each of these politicians and every neighbor I know. I'm also emailing on my wife's name, my kid and even my dog. I don't care. Everyone in this household is in pain. Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Miss Chatelaine on September 20, 2015, 06:55:18 AM
Melinda Katz is a KEY person to write to and hold accountable. She is the Queens Borough President, a member of that new airport advisory panel and has heavy involvement with the Part 150 noise study and so on:

718-286-3000
info@queensbp.org
@MelindaKatz on Twitter

Submit a constituent issue on the BP site:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1sXbO4UPoGa8mPOdafkmetlnGXACwxhyGbyFI4qj3H30/viewform

Joseph Crowley is very familiar with the airport noise issue and already on the case. He is a member of Congressional Quiet Skies Caucus to Combat Aircraft Noise, etc He even tweeted that recent article about Jackson Heights leading noise complaints to Port Authority.

We need the support of Senators Schumer and Gillibrand !
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: petster on September 20, 2015, 11:06:55 AM
The last plane of yesterday flew over my house well after 10pm. I feel like organizing a sit in to shut the airport down for a day. Maybe we would get some attention that way!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on September 20, 2015, 11:17:20 AM
I think a sit in or rally would help.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on September 20, 2015, 11:53:10 AM
a rally is a good idea. but it would take hundreds -- if not thousands -- of people to shut down LGA. and the actions needed to really shut it (blocking access, for instance) are fairly serious federal crimes (not like the protests of Occupy Wall Street). I'm willing to carry a protest sign. I don't have 10 grand for a fine.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: specanha on September 20, 2015, 12:48:39 PM
"Phoenix sues FAA over 'extreme discomfort' from airplane noise." There might be something that we can do too.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/02/travel/phoenix-sues-faa-airplane-noise/

https://skyharbor.com/pdf/FAALawsuitPressRelease20150601.pdf

http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2015/06/01/phoenix-sues-faa-over-flight-path-changes/28329559/

http://www.nextgennoise.org/
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: HAMjacksonheights on September 20, 2015, 12:55:56 PM
I have been noticing the aircrafts that fly over, they all seem to be private jets or smaller style airplanes most likely housing the elite or 1% or whoever else is inside. And I am pretty sure they don't give a flying f*** about us.

Closing the airport is a little extreme, I don't know the answer to this problem but we live next to an airport, what do you expect will happen? All I know is that I accept the things I cannot change and I am okay with that. My dad was a labor organizer for PanAm/TWU for 40 years before they went bankrupt. He organized rallies at JFK, sit downs like you guys are suggested and was arrested/fined, nothing really changed.

I am not trying to troll but what do you guys think is worse: the noise below the 7train every 30-45 seconds or the plane noise? Living/walking under the 7 is winning for me. I cannot imagine living on Roosie dealing with that everyday. That is why I do not live there. I hear the planes everyday just like you, it's NYC and we live next to an airport, it's loud, that's what supposed to happen..

Has anyone outfitted there apartments with any type of sound proofing? Because my elderly neighbor above me has her TV blaring every waking second of the day. I already brought her cookies to no avail..
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on September 20, 2015, 01:09:18 PM
I hear the planes everyday just like you, it's NYC and we live next to an airport, it's loud, that's what supposed to happen..


I don't hear the planes every day.  In fact, I only hear them on the days when the runway pattern changes for some reason, like yesterday, when I heard them (loudly) all day.  Today I hear nothing at all.  Blissful silence!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: HAMjacksonheights on September 20, 2015, 01:13:52 PM
Really? They were blaring this AM around 6-730am one after another, heard them from 80/35th this time...
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on September 20, 2015, 01:26:49 PM
Really? They were blaring this AM around 6-730am one after another, heard them from 80/35th this time...

I thought I heard something while I was half asleep but by the time I got out of bed, there was silence. 

I guess my point is that most of the time, there is no plane noise, but when there is (due to runway changes, I guess) it's noisy and disturbing.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jmcinty on September 24, 2015, 03:07:36 PM
Plane Noise Meeting Scheduled - See Below

http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=13765.0
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on September 24, 2015, 03:46:41 PM
thx, jmcinty. I'll just paste it here again:

"Thank you for contacting Congressman Crowley’s office with your concerns regarding plane noise. I would like to inform you of an upcoming town hall meeting devoted to the subject that will be taking place on Sunday, October 18th, at PS 69, 77 Street and 37 Avenue, Jackson Heights, beginning at 3pm. The FAA, The Port Authority, and local elected officials will be in attendance."

Elected officials who will attend, according to a PDF flier:
Joseph Crowley, Congressman
Jose Peralta, State Senator
Michael DenDekker, Assembly Member
Francisco Moya, Assembly Member
Daniel Dromm, Council Member

An attached PDF said:

TOWN HALL
on
AIRPLANE NOISE

Sunday, October 18, 2015
3:00 PM
P.S. 69 Auditorium
77-02 37th Avenue
Jackson Heights, NY 11372

Invited to attend are the Federal Aviation  Administration (FAA) and the NY/ NJ Port Authority. Please join us and share your concerns about this important issue that is affecting the community.

For more information, please c all 718-205-3881.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: hfm on September 24, 2015, 11:32:43 PM
They should do it on a Saturday instead. Preferably when Runway 13/31 is being worked on.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on September 25, 2015, 12:06:10 AM
Maybe you are right, hfm. But i'm happy they are doing it, all of them, together. It's a sign we were heard. Being on a Sunday might bring even more audience (esp. If saturday noise pattern persists). I am going to paste a sign in my coop and I will tell every neighbor I know. I wanna see 1,000 people there. This noise has been too much.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: hfm on September 25, 2015, 08:28:56 PM
Prepare yourself starting at 22:00 tonight until noon Sunday. I guarantee starting around 10 or 11 we'll get the few planes we usually hear on Friday night, then 06:00 Saturday morning the onslaught will begin. It's 13/31 that always causes it.

Runway 13/31 will be closed from 9/25/15 10:00 PM to 9/27/15 12:00 PM for runway safety area, electrical, and maintenance work, subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on September 26, 2015, 01:45:55 PM
it feels like one of those edge of your seat suspense movies. i keep waiting for the monster to emerge, but all is quiet, thankfully. slept until my normal 8 AM saturday wakeup without incident. yay!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: specanha on September 26, 2015, 02:35:18 PM
That's a very good definition: feels like a suspense film. We need to consider what to do on the day of the town hall meeting if it remains quiet till there, or if they say "ah, don't worry, it was so bad because we had some construction..."

A few questions that come to mind:
- if LGA renovation goes forward, it should take a few years to be finished. How long should it take? How will that affect noise over our heads?
- How many Saturdays like Sept 26 (today, perfect silence) should we expect to have per year?
- Can you create a better channel to communicate clearly why the noise is happening and how long it is going to last?


Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on September 26, 2015, 03:07:15 PM
i think our best bet is to go at the overall loosening of noise restriction/increase in flights at just about every major airport in the country. yeah, it sucks for us. big time. but it sucks for the people near JFK, the people near so many airports. rather than micromanage our problem (which is a problem), we should ponder strength in numbers. surely there are community groups in other areas facing similar issues.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: hfm on September 26, 2015, 04:34:16 PM
Wow. Every other weekend that this has happened it's been runway 13/31. I guess they postponed the maintenance for some reason. There is a disclaimer in there at any rate. Perchance due to UN / Pope? Makes zero sense, but shrug.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: QuentinC on September 27, 2015, 06:02:10 PM
Yes well, EVERY day since last weekend the planes have been landing over our house (73rd and 34th ave) so, they may not affect some, but they are still driving us mad over here.  Every 90 seconds every day for the past week.  We went to open houses in other neighborhoods this week.  I think it is time to go for us.


Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 27, 2015, 07:53:42 PM
Yes, Quentin...I walked to Home Depot during the week...and did notice the terrible noise from planes landing in the early 70's streets.

So, basically it's either planes taking off...bothering the streets higher up or planes landing destroying the quality of life in the streets lower down.

This is what I feel like...the neighborhood...is constantly under attack by planes these days... I understand your impulse to leave...yes, the FAA and LGA, by their lack of any consideration, seem hellbent on forcing folks...if they have options... to flee Jackson Heights.

 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: redvelvetcupcakes on September 27, 2015, 08:31:28 PM
There was indeed construction on runway 13/31 this weekend. But while pretty much every other weekend that this has happened planes have taken off over Jackson Heights, this weekend they went the other way on runway 4/22 and took off over Rikers Island (seems like a better plan to me).

Does anyone know when this weekly construction is slated to end? I notice that all of the other runway construction (at JFK, Newark, etc.) is always just a few hours over night--not 10pm Friday-noon Sunday.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on September 27, 2015, 10:51:10 PM
There was indeed construction on runway 13/31 this weekend. But while pretty much every other weekend that this has happened planes have taken off over Jackson Heights, this weekend they went the other way on runway 4/22 and took off over Rikers Island (seems like a better plan to me).

Does anyone know when this weekly construction is slated to end? I notice that all of the other runway construction (at JFK, Newark, etc.) is always just a few hours over night--not 10pm Friday-noon Sunday.

This would be a great set of questions to bring up at the town hall!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on September 28, 2015, 08:26:44 PM
I'm also considering taking the afternoon off from work to attend the next Technical Advisory Committee meeting that's currently schedule at LaGuardia for October 7.  Port Authority has circulated a notice that says "Space for the TAC meetings will be limited. However, it will be open to the public".

Unfortunately, members of the public are also "asked to refrain" from commenting during TAC member discussions. But I'd like to go 1) to figure out how Port Authority is actually dealing with this on an official/legal/administrative level and 2) to show that members of "the public" are disturbed enough and care enough to show up.  If anyone else can take the time to attend and we can put in a good showing, that might make an impression somehow.  In any case, if I can make it, I'll post my report of what went on at the meeting.

Any update on the time and place for this "Technical Advisory Committee" meeting?

Is it still on for October 7th?  Where and when?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on September 30, 2015, 11:30:03 AM
We should push for more information about what's being done and how long it will take. Something that is clear (the text on this website http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4 with reads like gibberish). I need to know which flight paths are going to be affected and, as a result, which areas around the airport will be pounded. Like: "LGA will close runway 13 and flights from 10 am to 6pm Saturday. Flights will take off above Jackson Heights, East Elmhurst and Elmhurst. These neighborhoods should expect increased noise."

We should ask the politicians to push for a limit in the number of days the noise can happen per year. For example, ask for a maximum of 10 bad Saturdays per year, and limit the hours to between 10 am and 6pm. Another option is to ask that it be done on weekdays.

One question I'm very interested: if LGA is renovated, will that cause similar runway closures? So, does that mean we'll have four years with noise every day (or every weekend)?

Also, we should ask them to install a grid of noise monitors so we can track noise independently. This will help predict, inform and hold FAA and Port Authority accountable.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: QuentinC on September 30, 2015, 05:13:29 PM
I agree- I think some stress could be alleviated if we knew WHEN the flightpath will change and for how long.  When I moved here years ago, I wrote several letters.  I got a response saying that the flight paths were chosen purely on the basis of weather and wind.  This just cannot be true.  True, when there is inclement weather, it is more likely the planes are landing over Jackson Heights. But it is also true the planes tend to take this route on Saturdays.  I wish we could depend on the weather being the same every Saturday, but alas...

A little more transparency would go a long way.  The whole process of designating flight paths seems to be purposefully opaque...
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: hfm on September 30, 2015, 07:49:27 PM
I agree- I think some stress could be alleviated if we knew WHEN the flightpath will change and for how long.  When I moved here years ago, I wrote several letters.  I got a response saying that the flight paths were chosen purely on the basis of weather and wind.  This just cannot be true.  True, when there is inclement weather, it is more likely the planes are landing over Jackson Heights. But it is also true the planes tend to take this route on Saturdays.  I wish we could depend on the weather being the same every Saturday, but alas...

A little more transparency would go a long way.  The whole process of designating flight paths seems to be purposefully opaque...

Yeah.. the timing of it from Friday night to sunday noon coincides with the maintenance. I don't think I've ever seen in my years here a change due to weather. That seems to be very rare.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Formosa on October 05, 2015, 04:46:35 PM
A heads-up on a House bill introduced by Rep. Meng, and co-sponsored by Rep. Crowley, mandating the monitoring of airplane noise pollution by the EPA, in lieu of the FAA:

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20151005/jackson-heights/faa-has-failed-queens-moritoring-plane-noise-politician-says

Whether it will ever make it out of Committee is anyone's guess...
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on October 11, 2015, 07:41:38 AM
For the record, 610am, today (sunday), mid 70's every 3-4 mins for half an hour, then more intermittent...... Joy!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Lilybell on October 11, 2015, 08:25:45 AM
It seems extra-loud this morning!  Now they are spacing them barely a minute apart.  I hope it's going to taper off in the afternoon like it often does.   Silver lining:  it woke me up so I did lots of laundry in a blissfully empty laundry room. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on October 11, 2015, 08:28:23 AM
Here upper 70s, first I noticed at 7:30. Sunday, for a change, beautiful weather.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: pipman on October 11, 2015, 10:06:00 AM
Just received a postcard announcing the Town Hall on airplane noise on Oct 18...perhaps timing of today's noise will help bring out a strong turnout next week. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: francis on October 12, 2015, 11:01:56 AM
Some airplane traffic yesterday in the am which was tolerable and ended before noon. At least we were spared the onslaught of every minute overhead noise. I'm over on 86 street.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: francis on October 12, 2015, 11:03:28 AM
Some airplane traffic yesterday in the am which was tolerable and ended before noon. At least we were spared the onslaught of every minute overhead noise. I'm over on 86 street.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on October 12, 2015, 11:28:21 AM
Some airplane traffic yesterday in the am which was tolerable and ended before noon. At least we were spared the onslaught of every minute overhead noise. I'm over on 86 street.

Tolerable? You like getting woken up at 6am by roaring plane noises spaced less then a minute apart?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Lilybell on October 12, 2015, 11:33:59 AM
I'm in the low 70s and it was really loud yesterday but at least it tapered off earlier than I expected. 
Title: Town Hall on Airplane Noise
Post by: Marlene on October 13, 2015, 08:43:02 PM
Please join Congressman Joseph Crowley, Senator Jose Peralta, Assembly Members Michael DenDekker and Francisco Moya, and Council Member Daniel Dromm at a town hall on airplane noise this Sunday, October 18th.

The goal of the town hall is to hear first hand from residents about their complaints and concerns and have a dialogue with elected officials and with federal, state, and city agencies.  Confirmed to attend are: Federal Aviation Administration, Port Authority of New York & New Jersey, New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, New York City Department of Environmental Protection.

Town Hall on Airplane Noise
Sunday, October 18, 2015
3:00 PM
P.S. 69 Auditorium
77-02 37th Avenue
Jackson Heights, NY 11372

For more information, please call 718-205-3881.

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Czheng on October 14, 2015, 10:03:21 AM
Yesterday the noise was really loud. Start very early in the morning and did not stop until almost 11:50 pm. Unbearable. Those airplanes are now roaring EVERYDAY! Not only on Saturday weekend. I am 82nd st and Broadway.
I called to complain but do not if that will help. Really want to move out.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on October 14, 2015, 10:37:58 AM
Yesterday the noise was really loud. Start very early in the morning and did not stop until almost 11:50 pm. Unbearable. Those airplanes are now roaring EVERYDAY! Not only on Saturday weekend. I am 82nd st and Broadway.
I called to complain but do not if that will help. Really want to move out.

Are you sure you have the date right?  I didn't hear anything at all yesterday.  Also I checked webtrak to see if I could figure out what you were talking about, but it didn't show any flights at all over Elmhurst, where you are located, between 11:40 and 11:50 pm.  If you post some specific times, I will check again.  Or you can go to http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4 and click on "historical" and fill in the date and time you heard the noise to try to figure out what flight paths are bothering you.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Czheng on October 14, 2015, 01:56:23 PM
Yes, I am sure yesterday 10/13. I got home at around 6pm, and heard very loud airplane noise. Did not stop until almost midnight. I also checked at http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4, and did not find any LGA runway closing announcement for yesterday. So I am very curious which airport these airplanes were flying from.

My friend who lives in 37th avenue Jackson Height also told me her day off yesterday was totally ruined because of the loud airplane noise.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on October 14, 2015, 03:48:59 PM
Yes, I am sure yesterday 10/13. I got home at around 6pm, and heard very loud airplane noise. Did not stop until almost midnight. I also checked at http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4, and did not find any LGA runway closing announcement for yesterday. So I am very curious which airport these airplanes were flying from.

My friend who lives in 37th avenue Jackson Height also told me her day off yesterday was totally ruined because of the loud airplane noise.

You can use webtrak to see where each and every plane originates, the flight path it takes, how close it comes to your house, and which city the plane is flying to.  It's a very comprehensive system.  You just have to click on the "historical" tab on the left and input the time and date you want to check.  So if you noted that there was a plane going over your house at 6pm yesterday, you can input that time and watch the plane icon's flight path.  I did try that for you from 11:40 pm to 11:50 pm since you noted that time in your post, but I did not see any flights at that time.

When I checked around 6 pm on 10/13, I did see some flights that head up north from the southern part of Brooklyn, then turn east and fly over the Corona/Rego Park area, then over toward Whitestone, then continue north over the water, and about parallel with Larchmont, they do a U-turn to head back to LGA, going over Pelham Bay Park and Throggs Neck as they make their approach to LGA.

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Czheng on October 14, 2015, 04:15:40 PM
Shelby2:

I did what you said in your above post, I did not find any plane flying over Elmhurst from Webtrak yesterday. But I did hear loud long lasting airplane noise! I did not go out of my apartment to check what kind of airplanes they are.
That's weird.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jh_coop_buyer on October 14, 2015, 07:30:41 PM
I checked the web site for Oct 13 6pm.  You just need to follow these airplanes. There were a lot of airplanes that flew in the area of Elmhurst, and these airplanes kept flying to Flushing, and Whitestone and made a U-turn over long island sound and then over Bronx and then landed at the northern runway at LGA. It is quite a journey for these airplanes. I don't understand why these planes can fly directly over long island sound and then landed at LGA without having to disturb too many neighborhoods. The good thing for this type of journey is that most Jackson Heights residents were not affected by the airplane noise.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 17, 2015, 10:33:28 PM
Apparently, apart from the Town Hall Meeting about Airplane Noise @ 3pm Sunday, Oct 18th, PS69... according to the Queens Courier page 37, October 15th paper issue...there will be a public information workshop to do with airplane noise...in Nassau County, Garden City, Thurs 29th Oct 2015...6pm-8pm, Naussau Community College, One Education Drive, College Center Building, Multipurpose Room.

Now, the fact that the Port Authority is having a plane noise workshop for the public concerning LGA and JFK airplane noise in Naussau County...beyond where the subway can take most of us, I find particularly conniving and annoying.

Anyway, search on page 37 of the Queens Courier paper version...and please let me know what your takes on it are.

Actually here is the online link to the Queens Courier page 37 where the ad by the Port Authority is...

http://archive.queenscourier.com/wp-content/digital-editions/QC10152015/index.html#/36/

And here is the website referenced in the ad in the Queens Courier.

http://www.panynjpart150.com/LGA_homepage.asp


Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on October 18, 2015, 01:29:21 AM
scheduling this workshop for Garden City may be annoying for some, but it's not "conniving" -- the people in Garden City have been dealing with and fighting about the same issue for years as well.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Airport-Noise-Complaints-Long-Island-JFK-Community-Meeting-134650068.html

ideally, there will be another one to address the issues impacting people in jackson heights, woodside, flushing and the waterfront part of the bronx, too.
Title: Re: Town Hall on Airplane Noise
Post by: Formosa on October 18, 2015, 05:44:04 AM
Happy Autumn, JHers:

A friendly reminder about the town hall meeting TODAY (please see details below) with elected officials and relevant governmental bureaucrats on the issue of airplane noise.  Please come and let your voices be heard; that's the only way any concrete steps will ever be taken to address our concerns.

Please join Congressman Joseph Crowley, Senator Jose Peralta, Assembly Members Michael DenDekker and Francisco Moya, and Council Member Daniel Dromm at a town hall on airplane noise this Sunday, October 18th.

The goal of the town hall is to hear first hand from residents about their complaints and concerns and have a dialogue with elected officials and with federal, state, and city agencies.  Confirmed to attend are: Federal Aviation Administration, Port Authority of New York & New Jersey, New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, New York City Department of Environmental Protection.

Town Hall on Airplane Noise
Sunday, October 18, 2015
3:00 PM
P.S. 69 Auditorium
77-02 37th Avenue
Jackson Heights, NY 11372

For more information, please call 718-205-3881.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 18, 2015, 11:08:35 AM
Thank for the clarification about Garden City. This airport noise thing is such a mess...affecting so many folks....over such a wide area...I see it will only be solved when plane noise reducing technology kicks in or they move the airports miles and miles away....or they start using vertical take off rockets instead of planes. In 100 years folks will look back and laugh at our discomfort. We, of course, will be dead.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on October 18, 2015, 10:27:41 PM
I was there today.

Our electeds are 100% on this issue. Den Dekker said that the Runway 22 takeoffs make the plates in his house rattle. Crowley kept holding the FAA and PA's feet to the fire.

The PA says takeoffs should be back down to pre-April levels at the end of November. The two construction projects were the problem, but one of them (resurfacing) happens only every 10 years and the other (safety pads) is a one-time deal. When confronted about why they can't start at 8am on Sundays, he basically just blathered and sounded like a jerk.

It turns out new planes will be quieter than slightly smaller, older planes, oddly, because of new engine technology currently being mandated. However, our electeds are working to keep the distance cap so nobody tries to bring in more long-distance flights. We're also supposedly getting more noise monitors in the area for Webtrak, although it looked like the PA guy wanted to weasel out of that too.

We always have one crazy person at a JH town meeting, wouldn't be one without it, this time it was a lady yelling "Jet fuel! Cancer!" at a random point. Not that there aren't safety concerns involving jet fuel, but screaming out disconnected words in the middle of a meeting isn't the way to go about raising them.

It was concluded that we should keep complaining relentlessly, because that's how we get noticed.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on October 18, 2015, 10:54:12 PM

We always have one crazy person at a JH town meeting, wouldn't be one without it, this time it was a lady yelling "Jet fuel! Cancer!" at a random point. Not that there aren't safety concerns involving jet fuel, but screaming out disconnected words in the middle of a meeting isn't the way to go about raising them.


I was there too. Don't forget "BENZEEEEEEEENE."

I thought, for a standing room only public meeting, with the usual distribution of power and various organizations present (thus no one person/organization being responsible), that it was pretty good..........the waffling of some presenters notwithstanding.

The proof of the pudding will be in the eating:
whether they give us more notice of runway changes and/or unusual flight patterns
whether  after November things quiet down to 2014 levels,
whether extra noise monitors actually are installed,
whether those monitors' data are actually used in the FAA's and PA's decision making,
whether our pols actually put effective pressure (rather than just lip service in public and by email) on the organizations responsible.

The other thing that I learned interestingly is that WebTrak deliberately obscures flight takeoff time by a random number of 2-9 minutes for security reasons, and that Police/Govt/Flights with security concerns aren't always shown. If you ever want to refer to WebTrak for a particular plane noise event, you need to do so within about a 10 minute window after you observe the flight.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on October 18, 2015, 11:24:30 PM
If you ever want to refer to WebTrak for a particular plane noise event, you need to do so within about a 10 minute window after you observe the flight.

Are you sure this is true?  I was under the impression that they do delay the data by 20 minutes, but that data should still be there the following day.  Several times I have used a notepad to jot down the few planes I intend to complain about, but I don't go into webtrak until much later in the day or sometimes the next day.  I use the historical function and set the time to about one minute before the plane I want to report.  It has always worked for me, even 24 hours later. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on October 18, 2015, 11:40:30 PM
I guess I was unclear. What I mean is that - according to the FAA guy - the actual time of takeoff and the time reported by webtrak in realtime are separated by a random 2-9 minute window. I don't know whether this data gets reset to "real" later on if you look at historical data, and don't know whether there are other security measures....
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on October 18, 2015, 11:50:15 PM
I guess I was unclear. What I mean is that - according to the FAA guy - the actual time of takeoff and the time reported by webtrak in realtime are separated by a random 2-9 minute window. I don't know whether this data gets reset to "real" later on if you look at historical data, and don't know whether there are other security measures....

I don't know either, although I do know that I've always been able to find a loud plane (one that makes the noise monitor red) that matches up with the plane I'm looking for, and this is based on the times I've jotted down that I've heard the loud noise.  The website says this:
Real-time data is viewed in the Live Mode and is delayed approximately 21 minutes for aviation security reasons and for system data processing. Historical data is viewed in the Replay Mode and is available up to 90 days.

Then at the end it goes on and on about how they don't guarantee the accuracy of any information!

Reliability of Radar Information
This Web site is intended to display the general location and flow of air traffic in the New York metropolitan area. WebTrak information is not intended for navigational purposes or airline schedule information.  While ANOMS processes a large quantity of radar data with a very high level of accuracy, in a small number of cases, flight plan and noise data may be correlated incorrectly. You also may notice aircraft icons sometimes "dropping off" and/or suddenly behaving unusually. These "ghost" images are due to radar and aircraft transponder reflections from the ground, and possibly from terrain and meteorological conditions away from the airport.

Liability Statement
This webpage and the flight tracking information is a public resource of general information. The use of this site is for illustrative purposes only. The PANYNJ makes no warranty or representation of guarantee as to the content, sequence, accuracy, timeliness or completeness of any of the database information provided herein. The user of this site should not rely on the data provided herein for any reason. The PANYNJ explicitly disclaims any warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose. The PANYNJ shall assume no liability for:

Any errors, omissions, or inaccuracies in the information provided, regardless of how caused; or
Any decision made or action taken or not taken by the user of this site in reliance upon any information or data furnished hereunder.
Title: Article: Airplane Noise Exasperates Jackson Heights Residents
Post by: hasanalitheink on October 19, 2015, 02:19:16 AM
http://theink.nyc/airplane-noise-exasperates-jackson-heights-residents/
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on October 19, 2015, 09:45:04 AM

We always have one crazy person at a JH town meeting, wouldn't be one without it, this time it was a lady yelling "Jet fuel! Cancer!" at a random point. Not that there aren't safety concerns involving jet fuel, but screaming out disconnected words in the middle of a meeting isn't the way to go about raising them.


I was there too. Don't forget "BENZEEEEEEEENE."


Hah. Wonder how many of us were there, not knowing. Now, all that said, I did appreciate some of the more persistent folks. For instance, the guy who was like, "why can't you start at 8 AM? Why can't you start at 8 AM? Why can't you start at 8 AM?" basically nailing the PA guy to the wall and getting him to admit that he doesn't want to start the work at 8 AM because he cares more about getting it done quickly than about our ability to sleep. And then Peralta took over there, too.

I was thinking on the train this morning about the old guy who said "planes never took off over our neighborhood before!" and how the FAA guy said "yes they did!" and how the way to reconcile that, is that, probably, those planes just weren't taking off at 5:30 AM on a Sunday - they were taking off at times when most people were at work.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Chuckster on October 20, 2015, 04:01:23 PM
DNAinfo has an article on Sunday's airplane noise town hall.

Airplane Noise in Jackson Heights Draws Hundreds to Town Hall (http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20151020/jackson-heights/hundreds-pack-town-hall-on-airplane-noise-jackson-heights)
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on October 25, 2015, 07:38:56 AM
Funny how pre and post meeting the planes subsided....and now they're back since 6:30 am Sunday morning and going strong. Thanks again port authority.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on October 25, 2015, 04:24:17 PM
well, since the noise is ALWAYS a weekend phenomenon, this isn't exactly a shocker.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Lilybell on October 26, 2015, 01:07:03 PM
Guys! The Mayor of Toledo has solved our plane noise problem!  (I thought this was a parody at first but it's not, what the hell!)

MAYOR SUGGESTS MOVING DEAF PEOPLE NEAR LOUD AIRPORT
AP , Associated Press
Nov. 5, 1994 5:40 AM ET
TOLEDO, OHIO TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) _ Despite criticism for suggesting that moving deaf people near an airport would cut down on noise complaints, the mayor says it's a workable idea.
''I said something like, 'You may chuckle, but this may be an idea worth exploring,'' Mayor Carty Finkbeiner said Friday. ''And I haven't changed my opinion.''
Finkbeiner said he didn't mean to be disrespectful or insensitive. ''I didn't say that it was a good or bad idea. My only words were that it was an interesting idea.''
The agency that operates Toledo Express Airport has been buying up nearby homes because jet noise exceeds government standards.
Earlier this week, Finkbeiner said deaf people might not be as bothered by the noise and raised the possibility of offering them homes that others are fleeing. He said a citizen had suggested the idea in a letter.
''That's like saying let the blind work at night because they can't see,'' said Dave Wielinski, chairman of Barrier Free Toledo, a group for the disabled.
Delores Lisac, a deaf woman, called the mayor's suggestion an insult. She said deaf people can feel the vibrations from jets.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on November 01, 2015, 08:23:16 AM
For the record, the planes started at 6:15 this morning (Sunday).
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Superclam on November 01, 2015, 08:44:21 AM
I can verify that.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on November 01, 2015, 10:20:19 AM
+1 still going strong, 5 hours later every minute
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 01, 2015, 11:04:02 AM
The nightmare of this never-ending noise pollution continues.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on November 01, 2015, 11:34:43 AM
Having thought about this issue for a while now, my belief is that the FTA etc simply lies to diffuse any community tension...concerning the matter...and proceeds to bombard us with noise regardless of what the politicians or council members or whoever says.

My thought is that the only thing the FTA may be concerned about is their "image". It definitely doesn't care about our community's well being, and we would be gullible fools to think it does.

And so the only hope would be an attack on the FTA (for their health damaging effects on us)... through the media...

If the NY Times (or a news report) would present an article documenting the horror of the conditions we must endure on weekends...and also during the week now...the FTA might take notice. Only because it makes them look bad.  NOT because they care two hoots about us, let me add.

This is my conclusion after following the progress of this terrible situation for a while now.



Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Jd143 on November 03, 2015, 07:44:15 PM
Don't know why but for some reason the noise doesn't bother me. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on November 03, 2015, 08:28:42 PM
SQUIRT SQUIRT

(http://polyv.re/20sALFR)
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: 718mom on November 03, 2015, 10:11:58 PM
I live near 34th ave and 74th St and there is some incessant loud music that is really bothering me.  I will take planes over this any day, I need to be up very early but there is no way I can sleep.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Jd143 on November 05, 2015, 12:08:13 PM
SQUIRT SQUIRT

(http://polyv.re/20sALFR)


Lalochezia.  You got a problem?  Since when does a person who's not bothered by a certain noise qualify as a troll?  Grow up.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: petegart on November 29, 2015, 08:25:15 AM
 :D. It must be because of the holiday, but I am thankful there were no planes this morning at 6:am!!   :D :D ;D
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on December 06, 2015, 07:45:10 AM
Planes at 6. BLEEEEAAAAGHHH!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: chagerty on December 06, 2015, 09:25:09 AM
Nooooooooooooo!!!!!
5:59am. Back to the complaint board.  I thought the outcome of the townhall was that this was stopping by the end of November?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on December 06, 2015, 11:14:33 AM
jarred out of bed at six, too. quiet for the past hour-plus. maybe it was weather/wind related this time?

but as far as project timelines in nyc, three words. Second Avenue Subway.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on December 12, 2015, 10:29:26 AM
Let's just play the Whitesnake song "here we go again" on endless repeat. 6am and going strong!!!!

http://youtu.be/i3MXiTeH_Pg

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on December 12, 2015, 11:32:05 AM
Here is the link to log a complaint.  If the noise bothers you, please take 30 seconds to file a complaint.

http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/ (http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/)

It can't hurt.

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on December 12, 2015, 03:55:56 PM
Still don't understand if this is do to with construction as they said, why not do the construction at night when the airport is closed or at least NOT early am weekends where people are tying to sleep after a long week's work. It's a big FU to the people that live here.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on December 12, 2015, 03:56:44 PM
Still don't understand if this is do to with construction as they said, why not do the construction at night when the airport is closed or at least NOT early am weekends where people are tying to sleep after a long week's work. It's a big FU to the people that live here.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: specanha on December 12, 2015, 04:07:37 PM
Just wanted to remind you that last week we were also woken up on Sat 6am. It just ended earlier, by around 10am. So if you're filing a complaint, might as well file for last weekend too if you didn't last week (bc you thought it was only once).
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on December 12, 2015, 04:48:21 PM
the only reason i can think of not to do it between one and six AM, the (admittedly too short_ hours when the airport is closed is that construction/skilled workers get paid far more to work third shift than first shift. as far as weekends, perhaps there are more flights that would be displaced M-F? that's just a guess.

Still don't understand if this is do to with construction as they said, why not do the construction at night when the airport is closed or at least NOT early am weekends where people are tying to sleep after a long week's work. It's a big FU to the people that live here.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: hfm on December 12, 2015, 05:47:31 PM
Agreed. It's always runway 13/31. It's been getting work from Friday 10PM to Sunday 12PM for a very long time on most weekends. I'm sure the weekend is the best time to do it is the reason it's happening (I was also guessing traffic volume), and there isn't much they can do for the departing flights to not pass over our neighborhood with that runway out of commission.

I hate it as well, just trying to come at it from a place of rationality. I'm just at this point where I'm thinking, how long does it take to do all the maintenance? This wasn't happening much at all for the first 3-4 years I've been here, just recent years.

The official notice:
"Runway 13/31 will be closed from 12/11/15 10:00 PM to 12/13/15 12:00 PM for runway pavement work, and electrical maintenance work, subject to air traffic control needs and weather conditions."

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on December 13, 2015, 01:18:23 AM
i moved into the neighborhood in 1996, and that year, we didn't have any noise to speak of. i forget if it was '97 and '98 or '98 and '99 that were back to back TERRIBLE summer/autumns for airplane noise, then a long quiet spell. and now this.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on December 20, 2015, 10:28:31 PM
Just wanted to register here that Dec. 19, Saturday, was another nasty day with noise from about 6 am to at least around noon.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Cassat on December 21, 2015, 11:11:54 AM
Indeed - thanks for reminding me that I wanted to submit a complaint for Saturday the 19th, which I just did. I'm really trying to make a complaint, whether by internet or by phone -  EVERY time the airplane noise is disturbing (which, for me, is generally when it starts early or goes late). I feel that the volume of complaints could actually matter to Port Authority and have some kind of helpful impact.

As a reminder, you can file a complaint online at:

http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/

or call it in at the Port Authority airport noise complaint hotline:
1-800-225-1071

It takes a minute or two.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on December 21, 2015, 11:23:14 AM
so much for most of the work will end in November. There has been less but still noticeable amount of airplane noise.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Cyril108 on March 09, 2016, 06:55:41 PM
I thought the airplane noise was supposed to decrease significantly after the end of last year.  We have already had several Saturdays with airplane noise and now tonight it is constant.  Does anyone know why?  Doesn't look like there is a runway closure at LGA tonight. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Guacharaca on March 09, 2016, 07:08:24 PM
It was reported that La Guardia Airport is down to one runaway due  to a large pothole on runaway 13. Crews are patching up the area
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Cyril108 on March 09, 2016, 07:09:27 PM
Thanks for the information.  Is there a place to get this type of information?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Guacharaca on March 09, 2016, 07:13:59 PM
May be this will help?
http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/laguardia-airport-new-york-ny-us/

More info the incident

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Plane-Blows-Out-Concrete-Runway-LaGuardia-Airport-Flights-Backed-Up-371589601.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on March 09, 2016, 07:20:45 PM
Thanks for the information.  Is there a place to get this type of information?

This seems to be an unusual (newsworthy) incident that shut down a runway.  Normally the noise we get on certain Saturdays is caused by runway maintenance.  As far as I remember, Daniel Dromm got a commitment from Port Authority that they would send out information about runway maintenance changes, but then I'm not sure they ever followed through on that.  I think the only way to know is to check the webtrak website.  Even then, I don't believe they post the runway maintenance schedule until one day before. http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Cyril108 on March 09, 2016, 07:26:29 PM
I agree.  This is an unusual situation.  Regardless, it seems like the Saturday noise has been as frequent as last year despite all the promises.  I still don't understand why runway maintenance is not done overnight while the airport is closed instead of closing a runway while the airport is open. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: chagerty on March 09, 2016, 07:35:30 PM
Yes! Thank you. I forgot to submit my compliant for that day. Doing so now, and for today. Squeaky wheels...

Indeed - thanks for reminding me that I wanted to submit a complaint for Saturday the 19th, which I just did. I'm really trying to make a complaint, whether by internet or by phone -  EVERY time the airplane noise is disturbing (which, for me, is generally when it starts early or goes late). I feel that the volume of complaints could actually matter to Port Authority and have some kind of helpful impact.

As a reminder, you can file a complaint online at:

http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/

or call it in at the Port Authority airport noise complaint hotline:
1-800-225-1071

It takes a minute or two.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: earbears on March 09, 2016, 07:52:10 PM
Plane Damages Runway While Landing at LaGuardia: Sources

A plane landing at LaGuardia Airport blew out a chunk of concrete on the runway as it was coming down, and flights are now backed up as crews try to repair the runway, airport sources say.
Runway 31 is closed as workers try to repair the hole, about 8 feet by 2 feet, sources say. That leaves just one runway open at the airport.

Departing flights were delayed over an hour. Arriving flights were delayed about a half-hour.
Neal Buccino, a spokesman for Port Authority, which oversees the three New York City-area airports, said a pilot on a departing flight noticed the damage shortly after 3 p.m. and reported it.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Plane-Blows-Out-Concrete-Runway-LaGuardia-Airport-Flights-Backed-Up-371589601.html
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: francis on March 09, 2016, 08:47:52 PM
Thanks for the update. The noise was making me so crazy.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on March 09, 2016, 09:53:51 PM
I agree.  This is an unusual situation.  Regardless, it seems like the Saturday noise has been as frequent as last year despite all the promises.  I still don't understand why runway maintenance is not done overnight while the airport is closed instead of closing a runway while the airport is open.

i'm guessing the main reason for not doing it between one and six AM (the hours that flights aren't using the runways) is that workers would be paid double time (or time and a half at least) for working those hours. premium pay for premium hours.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Cyril108 on March 10, 2016, 01:16:34 PM
I imagine there are many factors to take into consideration when deciding how to take care of routine maintenance. But I wonder if it has even been considered.  Shutting down a runway for a day or more, even on a weekend, seems to have significant impact beyond the plane noise issue.  Does anyone know who makes these decisions?
Title: Daniel Dromm - Airplane noise warning from the Port Authority
Post by: earbears on March 10, 2016, 07:52:52 PM
FROM: Daniel Dromm

RE:  Airplane noise warning from the Port Authority


"Please be advised that effective 12:01 AM, Saturday morning, March 12th through 6:00 AM, Sunday morning, March 13th LGA Runway 13-31 will be closed in order to conduct necessary runway inspections, routine maintenance, and electrical work.

As such, the scheduled closure may temporarily impact flight patterns on approach and take-off during this time frame.

Runway closure announcements are posted on our WebTrak website http://www.panynj.gov/airports/webtrak.html every Friday. WebTrak system allows the public to track flights and view noise readings at noise monitoring sites.  The same site can be used to file noise complaints. Noise complaints can also be filed via our toll free phone number (1-800-225-1071). All noise complaints received are logged in to a database and monthly statistical reports are prepared and shared with the FAA and other stakeholders."
Title: Re: Daniel Dromm - Airplane noise warning from the Port Authority
Post by: 718mom on March 10, 2016, 08:24:07 PM
Last night the planes were going directly over my roof, for the first time.  We live on the 6th floor.  Noticeable, but totally not annoying.   Give me an upstairs neighbor who runs around all day and night, then I would be complaining 24/7. 
Title: Re: Daniel Dromm - Airplane noise warning from the Port Authority
Post by: earbears on March 10, 2016, 10:36:37 PM
Last night there was an emergency at the airport.

A plane coming in for a landing wound up in a hole in the concrete of the runway. This occurred about 3:15pm and shut the entire airport down for almost 2 hours. When La Guardia reopened with only one working runway.  Therefore, the planes were overhead.

This was posted on this board. Sorry you did not see it.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on June 04, 2016, 08:35:55 AM
Anyone know what's up with the airplanes today?
They woke me up around 6 a.m., and they're flying over JH every few minutes.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on June 04, 2016, 09:57:02 AM
Anyone know what's up with the airplanes today?
They woke me up around 6 a.m., and they're flying over JH every few minutes.

Runway maintenance.

Runway 13/31 will be closed from 6/4/16 12:01 AM to 6/5/16 12:00 PM, for runway maintenance work, subject to air traffic needs and weather conditions.

from http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4

Every time they do maintenance on runway 13/31, we get this kind of noise.  You can also use the above website to submit a noise complaint or this form http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: chagerty on June 04, 2016, 12:51:13 PM
Please submit your complaint - this is maddening.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on June 04, 2016, 01:22:29 PM
Just submitted a complaint (for the hundredth time)....  Does anyone know why this *always* seems to occur on weekends?  If they mixed it up from time to time, so that it occasionally happened on weekdays, I think many people would be at work (presumably, outside of JH), and it would be less bothersome.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: JH3525 on June 04, 2016, 02:00:00 PM
The Airplane Noise is not going away.  Either accept this nuisance or move.  You have a choice.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on June 04, 2016, 02:42:13 PM
done on weekends due to traffic considerations, i'd imagine. airline routes are so interconnected that a single flight out of LGA can have an impact on a dozen other connecting flights -- and on business days, that's a huge deal.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Grabey on June 06, 2016, 03:33:06 PM
Ok, Sunday was bad. The planes started early - around 6am and lasted until 2am. There were literally planes flying overhead - taking off from LGA - at 1:30am (6/6 at 1:30-2am, so I guess this early Monday morning). I stood at my window and watched planes climbing. At 1:30am. Because the planes woke me up. I get that flights were probably delayed during the day during the storms & heavy rains, but flights taking off at 1:30am and flying THAT low over a residential area at that time is really unacceptable.
And to the folks on here who say to just move - no. I've been in JH 6 years. The planes have only been this bad in the past year or two. It wasn't this bad when we moved here. If we knew that we were in a direct flight path of LGA - which you would expect if you were in Elmhurst closer to the airport - that would be a different story. But this is getting absurd.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: francis on June 06, 2016, 09:38:10 PM
Totally agree with you.  Been in JH for 30 years and it's never been like this. There seems to be airplane noise tonight as well....this is getting crazy!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: francis on June 11, 2016, 10:05:01 AM
Woken up by airplane noise at about 5:45am and the noise hasn't stopped since.  I wish we could shut the airport done for a couple of hours to protest against the noise.  If this happened a couple of times a year it wouldn't bother me, but the current situation is really agitating to me.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on June 11, 2016, 10:18:37 AM
Woken up by airplane noise at about 5:45am and the noise hasn't stopped since.  I wish we could shut the airport done for a couple of hours to protest against the noise.  If this happened a couple of times a year it wouldn't bother me, but the current situation is really agitating to me.

I agree.  Today's noise seems worse than last Saturday's.  I also don't understand why they would need to do maintenance on the same runway two weekends in a row.  Normally it is more spread out.  Lastly, I checked the site where you can see the noise monitors as the plans fly overhead, and today the noise monitors are not showing any data, which I find weird.  http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4  (Go to "historical" and type in the time you heard the plane noise, then watch the plane icons fly overhead).
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: mgrave22 on June 11, 2016, 03:30:15 PM
I can't stand this much more.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on June 11, 2016, 03:31:53 PM
getting arrested in protest usually attracts attention. those who want to should go for it.
Woken up by airplane noise at about 5:45am and the noise hasn't stopped since.  I wish we could shut the airport done for a couple of hours to protest against the noise.  If this happened a couple of times a year it wouldn't bother me, but the current situation is really agitating to me.


Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: hfm on June 12, 2016, 10:53:53 AM
I can't stand it either, but I'm sure that if they could send the planes over some other path safely and efficiently they would definitely do so to stop the complaints. We live ~1 mile as the crow flies from an airport, it's just going to happen when runway/taxiway maintenance needs to be done. Hopefully it ends at soon when they are done with the rework. Is there any idea about when the ETR is for these maintenance windows?

I'm sure it's happening from 06:00 Saturday until 06:00-12:00 Sunday due to less air traffic on weekends. Most likely this is also contributing to it taking so much time since they have to wind up the maintenance project and wind it down over the course of basically 24-30 hour windows. Probably also why they can't just do it from like 1AM-5AM, not a long enough window to actually get anything done.

Expecting it to end because we're complaining, that's just a pipe dream if there's no other option. Try going over to the plaza where Petco, RiteAid, and Cannelle are during the day. I don't know how those people can stand living there with the planes landing over that strip all day. In an ironic twist, it appears looking at google maps there's a Lexington Hearing and Speech center catercorner from that plaza to the Northwest. I wonder if "can you hear the planes" is part of some testing strategy there.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on June 12, 2016, 08:21:56 PM
Expecting it to end because we're complaining, that's just a pipe dream if there's no other option. Try going over to the plaza where Petco, RiteAid, and Cannelle are during the day. I don't know how those people can stand living there with the planes landing over that strip all day. In an ironic twist, it appears looking at google maps there's a Lexington Hearing and Speech center catercorner from that plaza to the Northwest. I wonder if "can you hear the planes" is part of some testing strategy there.

"there's a Lexington Hearing and Speech center" ... isn't that the school for the deaf?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: hfm on June 16, 2016, 09:50:09 PM
Expecting it to end because we're complaining, that's just a pipe dream if there's no other option. Try going over to the plaza where Petco, RiteAid, and Cannelle are during the day. I don't know how those people can stand living there with the planes landing over that strip all day. In an ironic twist, it appears looking at google maps there's a Lexington Hearing and Speech center catercorner from that plaza to the Northwest. I wonder if "can you hear the planes" is part of some testing strategy there.

"there's a Lexington Hearing and Speech center" ... isn't that the school for the deaf?

I have no idea what it is, didn't research it. I just saw the name of it labeled on google maps.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: petegart on June 18, 2016, 09:20:14 AM
Again this morning -the first plane started at 6am sharp.  I wonder if this is our new normal?  Sporadically in the past we'd receive a heads-up about the change in flight path... But I have not seen that for quite some time.. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on June 18, 2016, 09:42:30 AM
Again this morning -the first plane started at 6am sharp.  I wonder if this is our new normal?  Sporadically in the past we'd receive a heads-up about the change in flight path... But I have not seen that for quite some time..

I just sent emails to Jose Peralta and Daniel Dromm asking if this runway closure on Saturdays is temporary or permanent.  Perhaps others could contact them as well.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on June 18, 2016, 09:51:06 AM
Can you post their emails?  Thanks
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on June 18, 2016, 09:55:23 AM
So now it's EVERY WEEKEND AGAIN? it's a quality of life issue and complaining on that little port authority form does nothing apparently. To those who say to move if you don't like it must not live directly under the path (76/77). It's like they're landing in your living room. We moved her 5 years ago to GET AWAY from the noise of the city and was peaceful for the first three years and now every weekend you can't sleep or even relax its so loud. Why not do it during weekday when most people are at work. All these complaints seen to fall on deaf ears and I'm sick of it.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on June 18, 2016, 10:08:13 AM
Can you post their emails?  Thanks

Jose Peralta: jperalta@nysenate.gov

Daniel Dromm (online contact form): http://council.nyc.gov/d25/html/members/contact.shtml (http://council.nyc.gov/d25/html/members/contact.shtml)



Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on June 18, 2016, 10:34:42 AM
Sporadically in the past we'd receive a heads-up about the change in flight path... But I have not seen that for quite some time..

The Webtrak site claims that it's for maintenance on runway 13/31 (which is the one that causes all the noise when it's closed) http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4

Runway 13/31 will be closed from 6/18/16 12:01 AM to 6/19/16 12:00 PM, for runway maintenance work, subject to air traffic needs and weather conditions.

I believe Dromm got the Port Authority to agree to send emails or announcements out prior to maintenance work being done, but obviously they never managed to do this.  It would be extremely easy to create an email mailing list for this purpose but it seems they refuse to do so.  And it's not like this would even help with the noise -- it would only mitigate the surprise factor.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on June 18, 2016, 10:41:07 AM
12:00pm? So does that mean 6am Saturday all through midnight Sunday?  AWESOME AGAIN
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 18, 2016, 10:51:30 AM
Thanks for letting us know this will be for most of the weekend. The only solution I have come up with is to run away from the neighborhood...begging my pals in Brooklyn and Manhattan to let me hang out with them...away from the nightmare noise.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on June 18, 2016, 11:18:56 AM
12:00pm? So does that mean 6am Saturday all through midnight Sunday?  AWESOME AGAIN

I thought it meant noon on Sunday.  (I believe 12 pm means noon.) And the maintenance schedule always shows that time frame, but the noise rarely goes into Sunday at all.  Last weekend it showed the same schedule, but as far as I remember, when I returned from a trip out of town on Saturday evening around 7 pm, there was no more noise at that time.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on June 18, 2016, 12:19:04 PM
I'm only thinking that because they specify 12:01am so I'm thinking 12:00pm would be one minute earlier? Either way, it's too much!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Notirk on June 18, 2016, 04:49:40 PM
To those who say to move if you don't like it must not live directly under the path (76/77). It's like they're landing in your living room.

Why not do it during weekday when most people are at work. All these complaints seen to fall on deaf ears and I'm sick of it.

I live on 77, so I feel your pain.

At the town hall on this last year (with Dromm, Peralta, Crowley), I think the Port Authority said they didn't do it on week days for two reasons: there is a lot more flight traffic on weekdays causing even more frequent noise, and it would severely disrupt school because it is hard to teach during the noise (although, school is wrapping up for the year shortly...).
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: specanha on June 19, 2016, 06:26:54 AM
For the record, the earliest I heard on June 18 was 6am; it wen't on until 00:34 on June 19. It started again on the morning of June 19, 6am sharp.

Complaint form (can't hurt, don't give up):
http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/

Andrew Cuomo: https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form
Senator Jose Peralta: jperalta@nysenate.gov
https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form
Assembly Member Michael DenDekker: http://nyassembly.gov/mem/Michael-G-DenDekker/contact/
Assembly Member Francisco Moya: http://nyassembly.gov/mem/Francisco-P-Moya/contact/
Congressman Joseph Crowley: https://crowley.house.gov/contact-me/email-me


It's above Daniel Dromm's sphere, but he's been great in getting people on the table, so doesn't hurt asking him:
Daniel Dromm: http://council.nyc.gov/d25/html/members/contact.shtml

I think a few things we all should ask are:
1. for a clarity and a study of how the planned LGA expansion will affect plane noise on our neighborhoods
2. Compensation for the neighborhoods that bear the brunt in the form of quality of life investments (I want a fraction of the fee paid by every single plane that lands at LGA invested in NW Queens in the form of parks and schools (sound-proof windows) for as long as the airport sits near us.
3. Installation of noise monitoring equipment so we have a database and a can create a high resolution map of the areas affect and how bad it is. (Currently there are two or three monitors, I think. There should be at least 30, in a grid.)
4. Cuomo for a town hall here (don't think he's coming, but can't hurt to ask)
 


Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: specanha on June 19, 2016, 06:51:18 AM
In case this inspires you, this is what I'm asking these pols to do:

1. Demand a very clear study of how the planned LGA expansion will affect plane noise in Northwestern Queens; create a clear, early and effective channel of communication.

2. Demand a $1 fee from every passenger using LaGuardia to be invested in quality of life issues in the neighborhoods that bear the brunt: Jackson Heights, East Elmhurst, Elmhurst, Woodside, Flushing and Corona. If we will bare this noise, I want pristine parks, pristine schools and pristine public transportation infrastructure.

3. Instal noise monitoring equipment so we have a database and a can create a high resolution map of the areas affected.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Diam35 on June 19, 2016, 08:07:20 AM
I live on 76th and today especially it was bad :/ It feels like they're flying lower than before.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 19, 2016, 12:50:49 PM
Some of the posters seem to imagine the Authorities give a damn about the plane noise over us.

I am under no such illusion.

After much thinking about this issue...I believe that most likely the sole real recourse is a class action demanding sound proofing of the apartments of all residents affected.

Paid for by the FAA...(the Federal Aviation Administration).

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on June 19, 2016, 03:01:07 PM
i would sign that petition, early and often.

seriously, soundproofing is something we can conceivably get done. and something we should push for.

Some of the posters seem to imagine the Authorities give a damn about the plane noise over us.

I am under no such illusion.

After much thinking about this issue...I believe that most likely the sole real recourse is a class action demanding sound proofing of the apartments of all residents affected.

Paid for by the FAA...(ththate Federal Aviation Administration).
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: luckyghost on June 20, 2016, 01:47:58 PM
My ears straight up hurt if I went outside this weekend. Felt bad for my kids. Was fine after they switched from takeoffs on 22 to landings on 4 mid-day Sunday. Really, the landings are no big whoop, engines are nearly off, just a low, tolerable roar. I think takeoffs from 22 (the southbound runway that throws them over JH) should be prohibited.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 21, 2016, 03:57:54 PM
I continue to be astonished that folks on this site seem to think the authorities (the FAA)...care two hoots about what we want...or if we suffer...

Now, apparently a very important map of future flight paths to/from LGA was released today.

Has anyone seen it...or have a link to where it is?

Because on this map...will be our future here in Jackson Heights to do with airplane noise foretold.











Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: specanha on June 21, 2016, 04:35:01 PM
You can request a noise monitor for a study: http://queenstribune.com/panynj-offers-residents-airplane-noise-monitors/
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 22, 2016, 10:40:18 AM
Yesterday, the LGA noise exposure map was released.
See the notice from QUEENS QUIET SKIES below...

------------------------------------------------------------------------


The Part 150 study has reached its definitive stage and our draft noise exposure map will be unveiled at the next LGA technical meeting on Tuesday, June 21st at 1PM.
This map will be the basis of any noise abatement plan we may receive. The map is a first draft and could be revised if sufficient public input is received. There is limited time to assess the map, review the methods used and submit comments. Representatives from the aviation industry will also be in attendance and likely to submit well crafted comments of their own.
Once the map is approved by the FAA, there will be no recourse. Now is the time to scrutinize the map.
I have attached the most recent Noise Exposure Map here, prepared in 2013. The LGA technical group forum is open to the public.
Dates: Tuesday, June 21, 2016
Title: LGA TAC Meeting No. 7
Description: LOCATION: LaGuardia Airport, Hangar 7 Center, 3rd Floor, Flushing, NY 11371
Times: 1:00PM – 4:00PM

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The situation can only be changed if public input is received. However, the map was solely on view, from what I gather, for 3 hours.  From 1pm to 4pm. On a Tuesday.  In a hangar.  At LGA airport.

When everyone was at work. And so of course, probably very few folks were able to see it.  I certainly couldn't. And it is not available anywhere online, as far as I can determine.

I do not trust the authorities.  I believe they rely on folks' apathy to sneak through their airplane noise polluting and neighborhood destroying agenda.   

Did anyone see that map?

On it is our future.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: specanha on June 23, 2016, 11:02:42 AM
I message I just got re: this noise study:

"Thank you for your interest in the 14 CFR Part 150 Noise Compatibility Study for LGA  Airport. Information about the progress of this study can be found on the project’s website. We encourage you to visit this site periodically for all updates and announcements: http://panynjpart150.com/
 
Presentations and notes from the LGA Technical Advisory Committee (TAC) meetings are posted to the project’s website under its document section: http://panynjpart150.com/LGA_documents.asp
 
The June 21, 2016 LGA TAC meeting presentation, which includes the airport’s draft Noise Exposure Maps (NEMs), will be posted to the website by early next week. Please check the site then to view this document."

This is their email
NYPART150STUDIES@panynj.gov

NY Part 150 Studies
Aviation Noise Office
The Port Authority of NY & NJ
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 23, 2016, 11:30:10 AM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: specanha on June 23, 2016, 01:46:20 PM
You can join their mailing list to receive project updates:
http://panynjpart150.com/LGA_Mail_List.asp

Here more info about what kind of stuff you will be getting if you join the mailing list:
http://panynjpart150.com/LGA_homepage.asp


Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: luckyghost on June 24, 2016, 03:21:40 PM
Runway 4-22 is closed for work much of this weekend, which is good for JH.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on June 25, 2016, 10:24:01 AM
and when repairs move to one or the other of the runways, they usually last a few weeks -- meaning we are likely to get a break (and, for 22, at least, put the bulk of the noise over the waterfront neighborhoods of the bronx, i believe).

if the work has moved, perhaps that means this round of repairs is complete, which could make life more pleasant for a while.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: buzz on June 26, 2016, 09:05:24 PM
At the meeting before the last one on noise, the PA promised to put in decibel monitors.  I have yet to see them.  Also with these planes flying so close to us what is the air quality lie- os anyone measuring that?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: luckyghost on June 27, 2016, 12:53:34 PM
There are decibel monitors on 78th and 30th ave. and 78th and 34th ave. Did you mean new ones?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on June 27, 2016, 05:55:23 PM
Yesterday, the LGA noise exposure map was released.
See the notice from QUEENS QUIET SKIES below...

------------------------------------------------------------------------


The Part 150 study has reached its definitive stage and our draft noise exposure map will be unveiled at the next LGA technical meeting on Tuesday, June 21st at 1PM.
This map will be the basis of any noise abatement plan we may receive. The map is a first draft and could be revised if sufficient public input is received. There is limited time to assess the map, review the methods used and submit comments. Representatives from the aviation industry will also be in attendance and likely to submit well crafted comments of their own.
Once the map is approved by the FAA, there will be no recourse. Now is the time to scrutinize the map.
I have attached the most recent Noise Exposure Map here, prepared in 2013. The LGA technical group forum is open to the public.
Dates: Tuesday, June 21, 2016
Title: LGA TAC Meeting No. 7
Description: LOCATION: LaGuardia Airport, Hangar 7 Center, 3rd Floor, Flushing, NY 11371
Times: 1:00PM – 4:00PM

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The situation can only be changed if public input is received. However, the map was solely on view, from what I gather, for 3 hours.  From 1pm to 4pm. On a Tuesday.  In a hangar.  At LGA airport.

When everyone was at work. And so of course, probably very few folks were able to see it.  I certainly couldn't. And it is not available anywhere online, as far as I can determine.

I do not trust the authorities.  I believe they rely on folks' apathy to sneak through their airplane noise polluting and neighborhood destroying agenda.   

Did anyone see that map?

On it is our future.

Is this true. If so complete BS. Shouldn't there be a website so the people affected could comment? Oh wait I forgot that someone might actually give a toss.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: specanha on June 28, 2016, 03:22:39 PM
I believe this is the link to the preliminary study map:
file:///Users/201200/Downloads/LGA%20TAC%20Meeting%20No.%207%20Presentation%20-%20June%2021,%202016.pdf

If I'm getting this right, they are claiming that the area affected won't change much. But I didn't have time to look closely.



Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 29, 2016, 11:02:48 AM
The projected map for future airplane noise is on the Authority site.

Here...

http://panynjpart150.com/LGA_TAC.asp

Click on June 21st 2016

From what I figure Jackson Heights seems to have missed out on the bulk of the noise (except of course when they change routes due to working on runways and drive us insane which is not mentioned on the maps.  Much like subways services are altered during weekends... the changes aren't formalized.)

But swathes of neighborhoods from Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx are projected in 2021 to be in noise affected zones of 55+ decibels. Greenpoint, East Williamsburg, Sunnyside, Rego Park etc...

That's = constant conversation in restaurant, office, background music, Air conditioning unit at 100 feet.

Check it out...
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Jeffsayyes on July 02, 2016, 02:41:22 AM
2:20am. Good morning everyone
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: temujin on July 02, 2016, 02:48:32 AM
And still going at 2:47am
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: QueensLand on July 02, 2016, 05:34:15 AM
2:20am. Good morning everyone
Good morning to you too!
Five in a row starting at 2:18AM.
Then another came in for a landing at about 2:30.
I guess an airport curfew is not the same as a law.
Hard to get back to sleep after that. PANYNJ should at least issue an apology, like the MTA does "...We are sorry for any inconvenience" [like taking away your family's sleep]
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: hagsrus on July 02, 2016, 11:42:43 AM
Would that have been backlog from last night's storms, which I think affected the local airports?

Kind of scary when something roars overhead in the small hours!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 02, 2016, 12:12:34 PM
If any other neighbor caused such an explosion of noise in the middle of the night like that...the police would immediately be called to stop them.  Is that what we should do?

Folks will say it's useless.  But it will show the Authorities they cannot treat tax-paying folks like that. And let them know we will not stand for it.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: QueensLand on July 02, 2016, 12:17:30 PM
Would that have been backlog from last night's storms, which I think affected the local airports?
I think HagsRUs is right about the flights after the big storm. They were likely waiting it out in other cities and didn't want to leave passengers stranded.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 02, 2016, 01:28:46 PM
Psychologically...it's called "enabling" when you find excuses for folks when they do the wrong thing.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on July 02, 2016, 02:39:26 PM
so should planes be required to hover in mid air without fuel? or should they land, after hours in other airports not near you?

those are the options. they cannot merely be willed into non-existence.

If any other neighbor caused such an explosion of noise in the middle of the night like that...the police would immediately be called to stop them.  Is that what we should do?

Folks will say it's useless.  But it will show the Authorities they cannot treat tax-paying folks like that. And let them know we will not stand for it.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on July 02, 2016, 02:54:59 PM
so should planes be required to hover in mid air without fuel? or should they land, after hours in other airports not near you?

those are the options. they cannot merely be willed into non-existence.

If any other neighbor caused such an explosion of noise in the middle of the night like that...the police would immediately be called to stop them.  Is that what we should do?

Folks will say it's useless.  But it will show the Authorities they cannot treat tax-paying folks like that. And let them know we will not stand for it.

I believe there are things they can do, at least for arriving flights.  I was on a late night flight coming back from Chicago, headed for LGA.  We kept getting delayed on the runway.  One of the announcements they made was that the plane was going to have to change its flight plan to land at Newark instead of LGA, due to overnight curfew at LGA, and passengers should start making plans to get picked up at Newark as opposed to LGA.

I was really unhappy about that, given a cab from LGA to my home is $15 and from Newark more like $90 or $100, but there wasn't much I could do.  In the end, we did end up taking off shortly after they made that announcement, and we were able to land at LGA within the curfew.

Not sure there is much they can do about departing flights that were already boarded and are just sitting on the runway waiting out the storm.

Btw, I still put in a complaint about the flights at 2:20 am, because I feel it's a slippery slope.  If they do it a few times and don't receive complaints, well, then maybe the curfew would be magically lifted as it would seem no one is bothered by the noise.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 02, 2016, 03:02:54 PM
I have no doubt NYC needs a 24 hour airport.  None whatsoever. Absolutely we do.

We are a major world hub.

We should be very careful to not enable LGA to be that airport.

Because eventually, not far in the future, there will be planes in the air hovering 24/7...wanting to land in NYC.

And are we still expected to accommodate them 24/7?

Shelby2 is right. One day, magically, the curfew will disappear...due to "planes hovering in the air 24/7"...
LGA is being expanded...NYC needs a 24/7 airport...it's a good idea for us to be vigilant and not "enable".

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on July 02, 2016, 07:06:51 PM
i'm all for declaring Newark the 24 hour airport. New Jersey deserves it.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 02, 2016, 09:56:51 PM
I wish it would be Newark.

Unfortunately, however, I fear it's going to be LGA.





Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on July 03, 2016, 08:14:11 AM
in all seriousness, i think LGA is third most likely, if that is to happen.

in order to turn either of the others into round-the-clock operations, all the port authority has to do is flip the bird to residents (and win a decade or so of court fights).

in order to do the same for LGA, the agency would need to put in tens of millions (at least) in improvements beyond what they're doing already -- i haven't looked lately, but i don't think there's quite enough runway lengthening/alteration to allow the biggest planes to land, and if you can't fully utilize the facility, why bother? i may be wrong about that last part, please correct me if i am.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 03, 2016, 10:40:23 AM
The budget for the renovations of LGA is in the billions.

Tens of millions is a drop in the Long Island Sound.

From my reading, it appears that the FAA is not transparent when it comes to altering airports. All over the country.
(Chicago, Washington for instance) And by the time the renovations are done it's a fait accompli.
And residents have to suck it up.

Leading to huge problems in neighborhood noise levels.

That's what I have read in articles online, concerning other airports which have been "upgraded".

All these maps/projections etc were done for those other airports to predict their situation.  And yet they are bombarded by noise once reality sets in.

Much like us.

 

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on July 03, 2016, 10:56:34 AM
not arguing any of those points.

arguing that, if NYC does get a 24-7 airport, it won't be LGA. it would take additional billions to acquire and condemn properties needed to make the airport runways accessible for the biggest planes. and another 10 years of construction.

at JFK or EWR, you keep the lights on for a few more hours and add a shift on the job front.

are there any stateside airports open 24-7 now? i can't think of any in the lower 48
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 03, 2016, 01:37:45 PM
By the way...for clarification those noise contour maps I referred to previously...are to show areas who can apply for money for sound mitigation.

We are not within the sound contour map.

Thus we here in Jackson Heights will always have to "suck it up" concerning plane noise.

And never be compensated for it.

Also I have no idea what they doing to the runways...with all these "repairs" every w/end. With all I know they well could be extending the runways...and not telling us. 

That seems to be their previous modus operandi in other airports around the country. I repeat they operate with NO TRANSPARENCY.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on July 03, 2016, 01:56:12 PM
they would have to double the length of the runways -- the one that occasionally puts takeoffs over our homes is 7003 ft x 150 ft and the dimensions needed for handling heavier, 747 and larger planes, would have to match JFK's, which are 13,000 feet x 200 feet and 15,000 feet x 250 feet. we'd notice a runway being extended by a mile or more, since it would extend outside the airport grounds.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 03, 2016, 02:07:22 PM
I simply don't trust these Authorities.

Based on their previous actions with other airports and the problems they cause which must then be "sucked up" by neighborhoods after it's too late.

I am also suspicious that in the report...a noise monitor on 78th Street/34th Ave was removed once it started reading that airport noise was greater than surrounding ambient noise.  (That means they would have had to pay noise mitigation for us)

So instead, my guess is that they removed the monitor.  No readings. no problems...for them.

In the report they say the monitor was requested to be taken away by a "home owner."

All very dodgy.

Also... who's to say the runway can't be extended into Long Island Sound...? Doubled in that direction...

Many other airports have built runways over water...and actually looking at a map of the LGA runways that would be a perfect solution to elongate them.

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: QueensLand on July 04, 2016, 02:43:38 PM
QuietSkies.net representative suggests sending the letter below to federal elected officials --
* * *
Dear ,

As you know the Senate and House may soon pass an interim 2016 FAA Re-authorization Bill. At present there are House (H.R. 4441 ) and Senate ( H.R. 636) bills which must be reconciled to a single bill and passed by both houses.
These two bills have provision that, in a perfect world, might be sufficient to get us on the road to fair and safe noise  levels for those of us on the ground. Unfortunately we don't live in that perfect world and many sections of the bills are simply "feel good" phrases that relate to greater citizen input to airspace changes. There is no requirement to change the threshold from 65DNL to 55DNL or to any other value for that matter. And, as we all know, if the noise threshold is not changed then, with or without citizen involvement, the FAA will have no motivation to make needed changes.
The only section that comes close to helping us get meaningful and potentially safer noise levels is Sec. 604 of H.R. 4441 which states:   
SEC. 604. Aircraft noise exposure

(a) Review- The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration
shall conduct a review of the relationship between aircraft noise exposure and its effects on communities around airports.

(b) Report

(1) In general- Not later than 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator shall submit to Congress a report containing the  results of the review.

(2) Preliminary recommendations - The report shall contain such preliminary recommendations as the Administrator determines appropriate for revising the land use
compatibility guidelines in part 150 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, based on the results of the review and in coordination with other agencies"

[Note: An exact copy of SEC 604, with proper indentation, is available]

Please do what you can  to keep Sec. 604 in the final bill.

Thanks in advance,


--
"The Congress declares that it is the policy of the United States
to promote an environment for all Americans free from
noise that jeopardizes their health or welfare."
NOISE CONTROL ACT of 1972
<<<
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 06, 2016, 11:48:42 AM
Like I keep saying I don't trust these Authorities.

It appears that the language in the document of the bill above is so vague and waffling that it can mean anything.

But mostly, to me, it seems to mean that the ADMINISTRATOR of the FAA is in charge of everything.

And the FAA, I believe, is on the airports' side.  And not on the side of an airport's surrounding neighborhoods.

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: luckyghost on July 08, 2016, 05:27:05 PM
13/31 shut down this weekend so it's probably going to be a crappy weekend for us... plan a trip
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on July 08, 2016, 08:42:22 PM
13/31 shut down this weekend so it's probably going to be a crappy weekend for us... plan a trip

but fly out of jfk!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: mgrave22 on July 08, 2016, 10:20:03 PM
I can already feel my heart rate rising.  :'(
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: QueensLand on July 08, 2016, 10:24:27 PM
If everyone goes to sleep RIGHT NOW, you can still get about 8 hours' sleep ;-)
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: luckyghost on July 11, 2016, 09:51:01 AM
They never did the takeoffs from runway 22, so it turned out to be not bad. Phew!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Jeffsayyes on July 14, 2016, 03:53:18 AM
2 planes after midnight. Was it bc there was some rain?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on July 16, 2016, 06:43:08 PM
This afternoon has been somewhat unpleasant.  Not as bad as the worst days, but still . . .

Does anyone know if runway 13/31 is closed?

I never know where to look on that link that people frequently provide.  Where does it show the announcements regarding runway closures?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on July 16, 2016, 07:24:11 PM
"Weather conditions at LGA Airport have caused flight disruptions. Check with your airline to determine the status of your flight."

it does look stormy over the bay. not sure what the full details are.

This afternoon has been somewhat unpleasant.  Not as bad as the worst days, but still . . .

Does anyone know if runway 13/31 is closed?

I never know where to look on that link that people frequently provide.  Where does it show the announcements regarding runway closures?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on July 16, 2016, 09:23:14 PM
This afternoon has been somewhat unpleasant.  Not as bad as the worst days, but still . . .

Does anyone know if runway 13/31 is closed?

I never know where to look on that link that people frequently provide.  Where does it show the announcements regarding runway closures?

Yes, the website shows that it's closed this weekend.  Here's the link http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4  Then look in the messages pop up window.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on July 23, 2016, 01:41:11 AM
This afternoon has been somewhat unpleasant.  Not as bad as the worst days, but still . . .

Does anyone know if runway 13/31 is closed?

I never know where to look on that link that people frequently provide.  Where does it show the announcements regarding runway closures?

Yes, the website shows that it's closed this weekend.  Here's the link http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4  Then look in the messages pop up window.

The webtrak website shows runway 13/31 closed yet again this weekend, 7/23 to 7/24.

- LGA -

Runway 13/31 will be closed from 7/23/16 12:01 AM to 7/24/16 12:00 PM, for runway maintenance work, subject to air traffic needs and weather conditions.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: mgrave22 on July 23, 2016, 06:12:42 AM
TIME TO WAKE UP!!!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Formosa on July 23, 2016, 06:43:33 AM
TIME TO WAKE UP!!!

Indeed, top of the morning to ya.  (Now, where's that damn coffee mug?!?)

With LaGuardia's expansion moving forward, I'd suggest this plane noise issue will be the biggest detractor to our property value and quality of life in the foreseeable future.  And, dare I say much more so than the advent of Hipsters (btw, welcome welcome one & all). 

Now that Rep. Grace Meng's endeavors on this issue has failed in Congress (https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160714/jackson-heights/plea-fix-queens-plane-noise-ignored-new-federal-bill-grace-meng-says), we need to amp up the pressure even more to make sure the affected communities have a voice at the table.  For those willing & able, I'd urge everyone to stay informed, get involved (Queens Quiet Skies) and communicate with your elected officials.  With regard to the last, I hope we aren't bring brushed off simply because there was one Town Hall held last year.

Finally, here's a primer on all players involved for those new to da hood--

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-05/who-s-got-a-piece-of-the-4-billion-laguardia-project-

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-27/n-y-to-overhaul-laguardia-consolidate-terminals-cuomo-says

Stay cool & enjoy the weekend.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abu benuska on July 23, 2016, 06:45:58 AM
The squeaky wheel gets the oil... who knows Peralta will actually do something with it:
https://www.nysenate.gov/questionnaires/jose-peralta/voice-your-concerns-about-airplane-noise

Here, keep the complaint tradition alive:
http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jackinjh on July 23, 2016, 09:55:36 AM
Well at least we took care all the eyesores stuff.

Expect to finish 2022 we got plenty of time left to decide to move... ::)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-20/new-york-s-8-billion-airport-still-won-t-get-you-to-l-a

And I hope that it won't end up like other cities where the airport is dominated by one airline hub, causi ng other airlines' ticket to be very expensive. So we might got nice and good looking airport but end up using JFK or Newark for price reason.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Formosa on July 23, 2016, 10:50:27 AM
Well at least we took care all the eyesores stuff.

Expect to finish 2022 we got plenty of time left to decide to move... ::)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-20/new-york-s-8-billion-airport-still-won-t-get-you-to-l-a

And I hope that it won't end up like other cities where the airport is dominated by one airline hub, causi ng other airlines' ticket to be very expensive. So we might got nice and good looking airport but end up using JFK or Newark for price reason.

Thank you for catching that Bloomie article, JinJH, which mentions the "perimeter rule."  If I understood Rep. Crowley's comments correctly during the Town Hall, I shudder at the thought of bigger and more, but not necessarily quieter, planes utilizing LaGuardia.  While I'm not sure of the economics/profit margins of short haul vs. long haul flights for Delta, a key stakeholder, we need to ensure our voice is heard as well, moving away or otherwise.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 23, 2016, 11:19:17 AM
In the past, the FAA has taken ZERO notice of people's complaints.

Not only that, in their press releases, they minimize and invalidate our concerns.

It is a delusion to believe they will take us into consideration in the future.

They do what they want.

Isn't that obvious by the bombardment of noise we have to suffer?

My guess is, they will scrap that perimeter rule and one day the rule simply won't be there...



Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on July 23, 2016, 02:33:22 PM
NO ONE CARES. Seems like the people in charge care more about a pop up convenience store on 37th ave  than this quality of life issue.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on July 23, 2016, 04:36:54 PM
okay,
 the summary of a thru k's collected work is that everyone who's in charge of everything completely ignores everyone else, always has and always will and we must do something ourselves, bypassing "them."

at the rish of being dismissed as a non-visionary, i have one question.

what?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 23, 2016, 10:56:29 PM
Wishing you an awesome weekend DSSJH!

And the happiness you deserve!

 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 23, 2016, 11:13:51 PM
Due to how quickly things "flame" on this board...
I won't be responding to personal comments...
Thanks for the discussions everyone!

But I will continue to post my thoughts into the great cyber world here...on this cool site...
About this, the most  fascinating neighborhood in all of NYC...Jackson Heights
Where there is positive inspiration to be found in the most surprising places... 
And where I am taught something new every day.

Including not to get involved in online bickering.  Which is actually quite an important lesson in today's world!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on July 26, 2016, 02:01:38 AM
2 am on a Monday night. Loving it.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on July 26, 2016, 03:23:54 PM
2 am on a Monday night. Loving it.

I thought I was the only one that enjoys getting awoken in the middle of the night
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: specanha on July 26, 2016, 03:37:19 PM
I prefer 6 am on Saturday's, bc it helps me get the most of my weekend.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Cyril108 on August 05, 2016, 05:12:36 PM
Here we go again!

- LGA -

Runway 13/31 will be closed from 8/5/16 12:01 AM to 8/6/16 12:00 PM, for runway maintenance work, subject to air traffic needs and weather conditions.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on August 06, 2016, 06:29:22 AM
I prefer 6 am on Saturday's, bc it helps me get the most of my weekend.

6:20 a.m. Good morning, everyone.

EEEEEEAIRRRRRRRNNNNNNWWWWWWWW
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: francis on August 06, 2016, 08:34:04 AM
I'm with you. Just called in to complain.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Sky23 on August 06, 2016, 01:19:02 PM
This is getting ridiculous, living on the 6th floor I can feel the sound waves! Isn't this extreme noise a a lawsuit waiting to happen? I complained numerous times but I doubt that does anything. We need to do something about this..
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: katieDNA on August 10, 2016, 04:03:43 PM
hi,

I'm working on a story about the persistent noise from planes, a topic i've written about a few times before. this time i'd like to shoot a video that shows how loud and frequent (and early!) this noise is, which i will need your help with.

if anyone is interested (and comfortable) with letting me record from their apartments or homes, please reach out. i can come as early or as late as possible - it will probably be more compelling to show how early the plane noise begins.

thank you,

Katie Honan
DNAinfo New York
KHonan@DNAinfo.com
917 - 504 -7505
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: avejh on August 10, 2016, 06:57:00 PM
Live on 6th floor @83rd street & 35th. Can see the planes landing and taking off, it's quite a spectacle. On the noise front, when they land we don't hear anything, when they take off it's noticeable but largely bearable. No sound wave or apt shaking here. My guess is that this an issue mainly for people living in early 70s street.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: AmazingJason on August 10, 2016, 10:52:17 PM
The runways at LaGuardia are right next to water. Something I don't understand is why don't the planes fly into the section where there's water and then once it reaches a particular altitude to then start moving towards the intended direction or route. Then, wouldn't most of the airplane noise issue be moot for almost everyone?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on August 11, 2016, 08:06:58 AM
The runways at LaGuardia are right next to water. Something I don't understand is why don't the planes fly into the section where there's water and then once it reaches a particular altitude to then start moving towards the intended direction or route. Then, wouldn't most of the airplane noise issue be moot for almost everyone?

I'm not an expert but I would guess because $$$$, this way they probably can squeeze more flights in and out
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on August 11, 2016, 09:38:43 AM
The runways at LaGuardia are right next to water. Something I don't understand is why don't the planes fly into the section where there's water and then once it reaches a particular altitude to then start moving towards the intended direction or route. Then, wouldn't most of the airplane noise issue be moot for almost everyone?

Because there's water to the north of LGA, but planes take off and land into the wind, so sometimes they have to take off south. And we are VERY close to the airport. It's not money but physics.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on August 11, 2016, 09:45:11 AM
Because there's water to the north of LGA, but planes take off and land into the wind, so sometimes they have to take off south. And we are VERY close to the airport. It's not money but physics.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=eponysterical
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on August 12, 2016, 06:35:10 PM
Because there's water to the north of LGA, but planes take off and land into the wind, so sometimes they have to take off south. And we are VERY close to the airport. It's not money but physics.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=eponysterical

Hey, if there's ONE THING that I should probably know something about ... :)
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on August 12, 2016, 07:54:17 PM
Runway 13/31 will be closed on Saturday (according to WebTrak), and that's bad news for JH.

Is anyone keeping track of how many Saturdays it has been during the past couple of months?

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Chingwa on August 13, 2016, 07:25:00 AM
VRRROOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!  I'm sorry, were you trying to sleep?
 :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on August 13, 2016, 08:53:12 AM
~615am it started here. FFS.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: AmazingJason on August 13, 2016, 03:25:43 PM
I'm wearing my Peltor No-Touch earplugs along with my construction earmuffs and having the AC on. You definitely still hear every plane, but it's helped greatly to reduce the annoyance level. YMMV.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jhlifer on August 13, 2016, 11:12:44 PM
Last Sunday was my breaking point.  Having diligently written down the days the planes have taken off over us since last October, I decided to write to the Port Authority's Community Relations person.  You may recall we had a local meeting on airplane noise in October 2015, which is where I met him.  Below is his response to my email, which follows his....  We will see if anything changes.  Thought you all should be aware of the PA's response.


Daniel

It is good to hear from you.  Thank you for contacting me regarding  Runway 22 Departures at LGA.   With respect to the referenced flight activity over Jackson Heights, please know  that LGA Operations works closely with the FAA Tower to minimize utilization of Runway 22 for departures to the extent possible, taking into consideration quality of life concerns of the local community.  However,  certain wind conditions occasionally necessitate the FAA’s determination to use this Runway for departing flights (even when we are not implementing construction).

Last October, I did have the opportunity to brief you and members of the Jackson Heights community on 2 key projects that we were completing in 2015.  As advised, both the Federally mandated safety areas and paving and milling of Runway 13-31, were successfully completed in 2015. 

However, there  have been additional closures of Runway 13-31 due to the rehabilitation and construction of the high speed taxiways connected to Runway 13-31. Please note that while construction crews work diligently to complete the taxiway work in a timely manner, weather conditions which dictate the construction schedule, have sometimes been an impediment to this goal.   Currently, weather permitting, the completion of the taxiway work is scheduled to be completed by Sunday afternoon.

Please know that construction work is critical in order for us to meet and surpass all FAA regulations.  Although, additional weekend closures will occur down the road, I do not anticipate any further closures of Runway 13-31 for the remainder of the Summer.   If this changes, I will alert you.

I understand your frustration and encourage you to file noise complaints either via the  Port Authority’s toll-free phone  number, 1-800-225-1071, or at the following link on our website: http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/qs114wbt.php.

Please also feel free to contact me if I may be of any further assistance on this matter.

Thanks,

Ian

Ian R. Van Praagh
Port Authority of New York & New Jersey
Acting Director
Government & Community Relations – New York
4 WTC, 24th floor
New York, New York 10007
p) 212-435-6938
c) 917-284-3536
email: ivanpraa@panynj.gov

From: Daniel Karatzas
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 3:51 PM
To: 'ivanpraa@panynj.gov' <ivanpraa@panynj.gov>
Cc: 'Dromm, Daniel' <DDromm@council.nyc.gov>; 'jperalta@nysenate.gov' <jperalta@nysenate.gov>
Subject: Airplane Noise in Jackson Heights, Queens

TO:  Ian Van Praagh – The Port Authority of NY & NY

We met last October when a meeting was held at PS 69 to discuss the persistent and quality-of-life reducing airplane noise that has been plaguing Jackson Heights (and other communities south of LaGuardia Airport) for years.  At the meeting it was explained that two projects causing many of the Saturday and Sunday takeoffs over Jackson Heights would be completed before the end of 2015.  Well, since that meeting was held, the following weekends had flyovers:

December 12
December 19
February 6 & 7
February 27
April 30
May 14
June 4
June 11
June 18
July 9
July 16
July 23
August 6

I know, since I have been diligently writing down the dates on those Saturday mornings, about 6:10am, when the roaring starts.

Well, the two projects supposedly ended and we have been PLAGUED by these a dozen times since November.  Not too many years ago it was 4-6 times a year for, I imagine, regular maintenance.  Now we have two major projects completed and 12 weekends ruined in eight months.  This is not acceptable.  How many weekends will we have with “scheduled” maintenance, and why is it double or triple the number of times earlier this century?

Can someone explain to me, the community, and our elected officials, what is going on?  I am sending this email to Congressman Joseph Crowley and Assemblyman Michael DenDekker through their own online system.  I figure I may as well bring in the media as well, since nothing else seems to have worked.

If you are no longer the Acting Director, Government & Community Relations, New York, can you let me know who is, and also forward this email to that lucky individual.  Thanks much.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on August 14, 2016, 12:21:36 AM

Please know that construction work is critical in order for us to meet and surpass all FAA regulations.  Although, additional weekend closures will occur down the road, I do not anticipate any further closures of Runway 13-31 for the remainder of the Summer.   If this changes, I will alert you.


Thank you for this update and for initiating the correspondence.  I have been submitting online complaints every time this happens but it feels like they disappear into a black hole.

The response seemed promising at first, but I noticed how he says he doesn't anticipate any further closures of Runway 13-31 for the remainder of the summer.  Does that mean through Labor Day, which is only about 3 weeks away?  If so, that's not much of a promise.  But in any case, I am glad to hear that this current spate of runway closures will be over by tomorrow.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: redvelvetcupcakes on August 14, 2016, 05:41:16 PM
Thank you, Jhlifer, for initiating communication. I have followed up with the Port Authority to ask directly what, if any, construction projects are upcoming. The Port Authority has known about this taxiway project since at least 2014 (the plans can be found online), so I think we need to push for much more transparency.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: jasonic on August 15, 2016, 09:27:12 PM
None of these people care at all about us in JH. UGH
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 29, 2016, 11:08:29 AM
FYI

The  LGA airport’s Part 150 Summer newsletter link is now available for your use:

http://panynjpart150.com/AdminPages/GetProjectFile.asp?a=LGA4&f=LGA%20-%20Part%20150%20Study%20Newsletter%20-%20Summer%202016.pdf.

Please feel free to share this link with others who are interested.   Also note, this newsletter has been posted on the project’s website.
 
Attachment(s):
LGA Airport Part 150 Summer Newsletter
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on August 29, 2016, 11:49:06 AM
In TRYING to DECIPHER the info...they seem to be relying on the updating of plane models to lower noise.

My guess is that this will be like waiting for the MTA to upgrade all subway trains. 

We still have subway cars running that were built in the mid 1960's.

And so it will be with airplanes.

 

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: mgrave22 on August 29, 2016, 08:56:26 PM
I took a look at the document. I live south of Northern Blvd. and have measured the decibel levels of the departing flights from my apt. The sound level is consistently above 80db.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on August 30, 2016, 12:00:07 PM
I took a look at the document. I live south of Northern Blvd. and have measured the decibel levels of the departing flights from my apt. The sound level is consistently above 80db.

Yes, the sound level is frequently above 80 decibels when departing planes fly overhead. 

Unfortunately, the problem is: the FAA uses "DNL" readings, which is the "Day-Night Sound Level" and this is the AVERAGE day/night sound level.

So, even if they sent flights over Jackson Heights every Saturday from 6 a.m. to midnight, because the decibel rating would be low for the days Sunday through Friday, our DNL would average out significantly lower than 80 decibels.

...At least that's my understanding of it...

What really needs to change is how the FAA and/or the EPA measures, qualifies and quantifies airplane noise over a given area.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 20, 2016, 02:17:51 PM
FYI...Via the Freedom of Information Act....

http://queenstribune.com/data-supports-airplane-noise-concerns/

NB. A 7-fold increase for plane departures over Jackson Heights.
Plus LIES from the FAA.

That is the truth of the situation we HAVE  and ARE facing.

The FAA is an agency who clearly can't be trusted when it comes to the plane noise situation.

Yes, it's ok now.  But when it starts up again, let's be SMART and AWARE of the duplicitous nature of the FAA.

(As proven by the document via the Freedom of Information Act obtained by the Queens Quiet Skies organization.)

Knowledge is power.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: petegart on October 15, 2016, 07:11:52 PM
Daniel Karatzas - thanks for the comprehensive letter.  Today the airplane noise seemed to start in the late afternoon and is ongoing.  I did not see any heads-up about this - did anyone have knowledge in advance? 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: francis on October 16, 2016, 10:21:22 AM
I heard planes flying overhead last night at 11pm and now again this morning since 6:30am.  Making my complaintSSSSSSSSSSSSS as usual.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on October 16, 2016, 01:18:01 PM
605am wakeup call. LOVELY!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: hfm on October 16, 2016, 03:18:17 PM
Daniel Karatzas - thanks for the comprehensive letter.  Today the airplane noise seemed to start in the late afternoon and is ongoing.  I did not see any heads-up about this - did anyone have knowledge in advance?

You can always go here for a status on runway 13/31 for the weekend. You don't have to wait for them to tell you.

http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4

There's a messages box that should overlay the map on load with metro area airport maintenance status.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: BEB on October 16, 2016, 07:59:40 PM
Since we were not in the area this morning my husband showed me how to go back in time on that flight tracker (http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4 in the "Flights" panel on the lower left: click the "Historical" tab and then allow it a minute or two to adjust to that time).

I was absolutely shocked at some of the numbers I quickly tallied. There were exactly 30 take offs this morning between 8am & 9:20am?!? After that I couldn't take it anymore. Each one went over those two sensors on 78th. One near 34th ave and the other between 25 & 30 aves.

So I can skip reading the previous 32 pages of this part 2 airplane noise thread, can I ask for some stories of how you all have learned to cope with this ongoing problem? Do you check that website every Friday night and close all your windows, put on white noise and put in earplugs? Get up early when things get noisy and leave the neighborhood for the day? Can anyone please give me some hope that I will be able to cope with this problem?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 17, 2016, 10:04:05 AM
The only solution I have come up with is to escape the neighborhood for the weekends when this occurs. 

To Brooklyn or Manhattan.

It is insane and downright cruel to expect folks to put up with that kind of noise.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: petegart on October 29, 2016, 12:28:38 PM
No noise today, but after the recent incident with Pence's plane, I heard the commentators on CBS news talking about a 'proposal' to close Rikers island + expand the airport.  I had never heard of this before, and in searching The NY Times, found this article below.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/09/nyregion/an-idea-to-restructure-and-expand-la-guardia-airport.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: AmazingJason on October 29, 2016, 03:13:45 PM
Since we were not in the area this morning my husband showed me how to go back in time on that flight tracker (http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4 in the "Flights" panel on the lower left: click the "Historical" tab and then allow it a minute or two to adjust to that time).

I was absolutely shocked at some of the numbers I quickly tallied. There were exactly 30 take offs this morning between 8am & 9:20am?!? After that I couldn't take it anymore. Each one went over those two sensors on 78th. One near 34th ave and the other between 25 & 30 aves.

So I can skip reading the previous 32 pages of this part 2 airplane noise thread, can I ask for some stories of how you all have learned to cope with this ongoing problem? Do you check that website every Friday night and close all your windows, put on white noise and put in earplugs? Get up early when things get noisy and leave the neighborhood for the day? Can anyone please give me some hope that I will be able to cope with this problem?

Thanks in advance.

1) I keep my windows closed year-round due to outside noise and for cleanliness (the air outside is dirty). The only times I open them are when I'm outside for the day and I want a little air circulation for my orchid.

2) I wear earplugs when I sleep - in addition to black-out shades and the Alaskan Bear sleep mask. When I'm not sleeping, I have them on around 75% of the time when I'm home. I purchase a box of Peltor No-Touch earplugs, and it lasts a long time as they are durable and can be washed and reused.

3) For really dire situations, I wear the Peltor Optime 105 over-the-ear earmuffs. I purchased this years ago when I used to live in an apartment with a noisy upstairs neighbor. The combination of the earplugs and earmuffs cut down a significant amount of noise that you can possibly hear.

The earplugs I don't mind wearing all the time, but the earmuffs are tiring so I only use them when absolutely necessary. This combination is decent against the airplanes, but it's definitely not a cure-all because the engines are so powerful. It also depends on close to your particular building that the planes are flying over. I have it on my nightstand if I happen to want to use them.

4) Try to get outside as much as possible on the weekends. Hiking, sports, run errands, hang out with family and friends.

Obviously, it sucks that we have to alter our lives due to this issue, but the best way to deal with it is to surrender to the fact that it's happening, and do everything possible to focus on what we can control. Other than protesting and informing our local politicians, the above are the steps that I personally use to do that.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: BEB on October 29, 2016, 04:18:53 PM
Thank you for your reply AmazingJason!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Lilybell on October 31, 2016, 01:09:33 PM
To add to Jason's post:  I always sleep with a white noise machine. For me, it's more about street noise but it's also helpful for the days when the planes start at 6am.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: nemo on January 24, 2017, 02:16:37 PM
It's back...  :'(
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on January 24, 2017, 05:17:01 PM
it's weather.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: nemo on January 24, 2017, 09:43:56 PM
Possible. We'll see if it stops tomorrow.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on January 24, 2017, 10:32:15 PM
it's stopped here.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: wk067781 on January 25, 2017, 10:26:28 AM
it's weather.

Weather? So every time it rains - the neighborhood should get bombarded by the planes?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on January 25, 2017, 10:50:34 AM
it's weather.

Weather? So every time it rains - the neighborhood should get bombarded by the planes?

Trite comment. The noise does not increase "every time it rains".

Every time there's a noreaster or other storm with 60mph+gusts that could be dangerous for takeoffs and landings then, yes, plane safety is more important.

 I've been a big advocate for reduction of regular noise, notification in advance of repairs, long term abatement, etc, but come on!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: theplanesland on January 25, 2017, 10:51:41 AM
it's weather.

Weather? So every time it rains - the neighborhood should get bombarded by the planes?

It's not rain, it's the direction of the wind.
Title: Report on LGA noise for the future...
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 08, 2017, 05:56:51 PM
http://panynjpart150.com/LGA_FNEM.asp

Here's the final report.

Examining and analyzing it is pretty complicated.

From what I can gather the noise will increase around 70th Street to over 65 decibels which is all that is indicated.

So...does that mean the rest of us will hear 50-60 decibels?

Which is the sound of light traffic to normal conversation.  In other words there might be a constant sound of noise up to the loudness of normal conversation. All day long.

Or only that level... say to till 75th Street where it might taper off?

Can someone who's into reading/understanding these reports make an educated guess and let us know what we're in for?

Thanks...

 



Title: Re: Report on LGA noise for the future...
Post by: dssjh on June 08, 2017, 06:04:24 PM
i have only a cursory familiarity, but it *looks* like the brunt of things will be shifted slightly west, with 70th at the epicenter, and the waves arcing out in both directions - so that the mid to high 60s and lower 70s will be impacted most.

there are a lot of digressions about historical structures and the like, but the legalese on that front eludes me.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: petegart on June 08, 2017, 07:13:58 PM
Members of the General Public who have joined the LGA Part 150 Study mailing list,
 
Attached please find the 14 CFR Part 150 Airport Noise and Land Use Compatibility Study Newsletter for LaGuardia Airport (LGA).  This is the fifth in a series that the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is distributing to those interested in learning more about the LGA’s Part 150 Study process.
 
This newsletter has also been posted on the project’s website. Please feel free to share this link  with others who are interested: http://panynjpart150.com/AdminPages/GetProjectFile.asp?a=LGA4&f=LGA%20-%20Part%20150%20Study%20Newsletter%20-%20Spring%202017.pdf
 
 
Thank you for having an interest in the LGA Part 150 Study.
 
Attachment(s):
LGA Airport Part 150 Spring 2017 Newsletter
 
NY Part 150 Studies
Aviation Noise Office
The Port Authority of NY & NJ
NOTICE: THIS E-MAIL AND ANY ATTACHMENTS CONTAIN INFORMATION FROM THE PORT AUTHORITY OF NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY AND AFFILIATES. IF YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS E-MAIL IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER IMMEDIATELY, PERMANENTLY DELETE THIS E-MAIL (ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS), AND DESTROY ANY PRINTOUTS. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: artfldodger on June 09, 2017, 03:46:24 PM
This is thick.  One item I did pick up on is the dB noise termed as DNL (Day-Night noise level).  Which to my understanding is not a single noise event, rather several noise events averages over 24hours.  Appendix C has some more info on this.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 09, 2017, 03:52:23 PM
This is thick.  One item I did pick up on is the dB noise termed as DNL (Day-Night noise level).  Which to my understanding is not a single noise event, rather several noise events averages over 24hours.  Appendix C has some more info on this.

Wait!  So that average includes the curfew hours of midnight to 6am?

In other words from 6am to midnight...the decibels are in actuality much, much higher.

Typical of these agencies to try and slip bad stuff past us by presenting the data in a deceitful way.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: petegart on August 05, 2017, 07:54:36 AM
This morning, I heard the planes again. 80th + 35th ave.  It seemed to be quiet for a long time, but today the noise has returned.  Sad.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on August 05, 2017, 08:43:15 AM
6am. Every 3-10 mins. 

It's back!

heeeeeeeeeeree's johnny!

Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: European on August 05, 2017, 08:57:14 AM
I thought it was gone forever  :'(
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 05, 2017, 09:49:52 AM
Runway 13L/31R will be closed from 8/5/17 12:01 AM to 8/5/17 12:00 PM;
from 8/6/17 12:01 AM to 8/6/17 12:00 AM;
 from 8/10/17 12:01 AM to 8/10/17 6:00 AM;
from 8/10/17 7:00 AM to 8/10/17 12:00 PM;
 from 8/11/17 12:01 AM to 8/11/17 6:00 AM;
from 8/12/17 12:01 AM to 8/12/17 6:00 AM, for runway maintenance

http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: mango on August 05, 2017, 11:49:15 AM
One plane every minute for the past 6 hours is a. It ridiculous.  I complained, and would suggest everyone else to do likewise.  Only way to end it, is if enough people bitch.

http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/
 
Or call their airplane noise complaint hotline:
800-225-1071
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 05, 2017, 01:50:31 PM
i know i am beating a dead horse here, but the only way to not have noise when repairs are being done is to close the airport entirely. that's the petition you should be circulating.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Jhlobo on August 05, 2017, 02:25:39 PM
 Thanks for the link Mango. I just filed my complaint. I suggest anyone impacted by the constant noise today file one also.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: JH3525 on August 05, 2017, 03:18:04 PM
I'm pleased that we have not had airplane noise for a very long time.  For those of you who have a problem with today's noise after such a long time, GET A LIFE. 
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on August 05, 2017, 07:07:16 PM
While it might not be that useful to complain on here, I don't think that a complaint to Port Authority is a bad idea. If they get enough complaints on a weekend like this, it might remind them that we don't want to put up with this noise on any kind of regular basis. It sometimes worries me when I see big plans for the renovation of LGA that there could be some change made that sends the planes over us like this frequently.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on August 06, 2017, 09:13:34 AM
Runway 13L/31R will be closed from 8/5/17 12:01 AM to 8/5/17 12:00 PM;
from 8/6/17 12:01 AM to 8/6/17 12:00 AM;
 from 8/10/17 12:01 AM to 8/10/17 6:00 AM;
from 8/10/17 7:00 AM to 8/10/17 12:00 PM;
 from 8/11/17 12:01 AM to 8/11/17 6:00 AM;
from 8/12/17 12:01 AM to 8/12/17 6:00 AM, for runway maintenance

http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4

I checked the link and those runway closures are for JFK airport, not LGA. The only one listed for LGA yesterday was for runway 4/22, which is odd since I didn't think a closure of 4/22 usually generates noise over JH.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 06, 2017, 10:44:13 AM
sorry!

i saw those numbers and just assumed. and, yes, i know what happens when you ass-ume.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Lilybell on August 09, 2017, 10:34:53 AM
Quote
For those of you who have a problem with today's noise after such a long time, GET A LIFE.

You are just SO CHARMING.   >:(
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: petegart on June 16, 2018, 07:10:42 AM
I checked this site because of the noise this morning: 
http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4
LGA - Runway 13/31 will be closed on 6/16/18 from 12:01 AM to 6/17/18 12:00 PM, for runway maintenance work.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: itsit on June 16, 2018, 07:40:33 AM
 So continuously loud this AM!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on June 16, 2018, 09:02:56 AM
So continuously loud this AM!

It is loud and really annoying, but I have an easier time tolerating it since it has not happened in a long time. I remember back a few years ago when they were doing runway construction almost every week for months, and I thought I was going to go crazy from the noise.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: lalochezia on June 16, 2018, 09:14:46 AM
Rather than us have to look on a website whenever we suspect noise is about to happen,
 an email list, where we could be notified the exact details of the times and dates, AS SOON as they plan to do the work (NOT 10 minutes before).....this would be the minimum of civic responsibility from the agencies involved.

People need to plan their lives dammit.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on June 16, 2018, 09:18:57 AM
Rather than us have to look on a website whenever we suspect noise is about to happen,
 an email list, where we could be notified the exact details of the times and dates, AS SOON as they plan to do the work (NOT 10 minutes before).....this would be the minimum of civic responsibility from the agencies involved.

People need to plan their lives dammit.

Yes, I agree.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on June 16, 2018, 09:20:37 AM
So continuously loud this AM!

It is loud and really annoying, but I have an easier time tolerating it since it has not happened in a long time. I remember back a few years ago when they were doing runway construction almost every week for months, and I thought I was going to go crazy from the noise.


i've gone through two of those periods in my time here. the first (i forget if it was '97 or '98) was literally six months, and we were on 75th between 34/35, which seems to be right in the middle of one flight path.

i do worry that the "improvements" going on at LGA will result in more of this (maybe runway lengthening) a few years down the line, but fingers crossed i'm just being fatalistic.

and fully agree about the suggestion re: email notifications. it would seem like a simple effort and earn some good will from the community.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: francis on June 16, 2018, 09:35:24 AM
keep the complaints going.....Woke up at six by this craziness!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: abcdefghijk on June 16, 2018, 09:40:08 AM
Plotting my escape from Jackson Heights for the time period of this Blitzkrieg...



Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: francis on June 16, 2018, 09:45:49 AM
Here is where:         http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on June 16, 2018, 10:24:30 AM
we go through this every few months, but if someone is going to complain about a problem, there should also be a solution. do we:

shut LGA down entirely?

forgo repairs?

or.... ?
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on June 16, 2018, 10:56:50 AM
we go through this every few months, but if someone is going to complain about a problem, there should also be a solution. do we:

shut LGA down entirely?

forgo repairs?

or.... ?

I don't think submitting a complaint requires also presenting a solution. When I submit a complaint, which I just did, I do so to make my voice heard. I'm concerned if we don't complain when there is excessive noise that the powers that be are going to expand LGA or change rules, or reroute planes, or whatever, and make this noise consistent instead of occasional. I don't think we can afford to appear complacent.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: francis on June 16, 2018, 07:51:55 PM
It's always better to document your complaint.  You can always say,  "I told you so.".  At least they should let people know and  so you can mentally prepare.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on July 14, 2018, 08:46:29 AM
"Runway 13/31 will be closed from 7/14/2018 12:01 AM to 7/15/2018 12:00 PM, for runway maintenance work."

http://webtrak5.bksv.com/panynj4

And here is the link to log a complaint:

https://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/qs114wbt.php
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: buzz on July 29, 2018, 10:10:31 AM
Funny how when there is a tennis game going on, La Guardia finds a solution for them.  What became of the Town Hall meeting outcomes on this issue that took place at PS69?   
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: 80JHer on August 25, 2018, 10:21:18 AM
It seems to be more and more frequent, Regardless of complaints.  I’m just coming to terms that this will probably be the new reality.  As in a permanent flight path on weekends.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: twmeb on August 25, 2018, 12:11:51 PM
It seems to be more and more frequent, Regardless of complaints.  I’m just coming to terms that this will probably be the new reality.  As in a permanent flight path on weekends.

I encourage you (and everyone else) to keep filing complaints.  At the very least, after filing a complaint one receives an email confirmation from the Port Authority.  Looking back at those, I don't think it is becoming more and more frequent.  July was bad, but I think there was only one date in June, and this is the second day in August.  It's nowhere near as bad as it was in 2015.

Here is the link to log a complaint:

https://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/qs114wbt.php
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on August 25, 2018, 12:46:30 PM
it's been really bad this summer. but it was worse in '98/'99, then almost non-existent for a few years. that's the plus. i am concerned about the "new and improved" LGA handling more traffic and creating a permanent din.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: earbears on August 25, 2018, 02:53:41 PM
Please remember that there are two projects happening at LaG.

First is the major rehabilitation of the whole airport.

Second is the renovation of the current runways that are in use.

So, complaints are good to keep the pressure on the Port Authority. But I doubt anything can be done to reduce the fliy-overs until the total rehabilitatiion project is complete. I also think that the horrible humidity that we have had this summer both keeps the airplanes lower and keeps the noise contained in the area.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: petegart on December 30, 2018, 11:30:51 AM
story from The Washington Post:

Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/button-offers-instant-gratification-for-those-plagued-by-airplane-noise/2018/12/29/c1035d32-02e1-11e9-b5df-5d3874f1ac36_story.html
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: dssjh on December 30, 2018, 02:36:54 PM
that is the best 'get off my lawn' innovation ever! two thumbs up!
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: petegart on September 28, 2019, 05:40:49 PM
Today’s noise is particularly horrible.  The WebTrak info said the work would end at 12 noon, now it is 5:40pm and the planes are relentless!  Please make a complaint before this becomes our new reality
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: ballen on October 05, 2019, 04:51:27 PM
Is the plane noise going to be every weekend now? I had thought it was supposed to alternate.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: BEB on October 06, 2019, 07:35:53 AM
Does anyone know what time the planes began taking off over Jackson Heights yesterday? I am grateful it didn't start at 6am, as it had the past few weekends. But honestly, these frequent weekend disruptions are completely unacceptable. Also what does that noise and vibration do to these historic buildings, nevermind the pollution these things spew.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Shelby2 on October 06, 2019, 09:27:19 AM
Does anyone know what time the planes began taking off over Jackson Heights yesterday? I am grateful it didn't start at 6am, as it had the past few weekends. But honestly, these frequent weekend disruptions are completely unacceptable. Also what does that noise and vibration do to these historic buildings, nevermind the pollution these things spew.

The strange thing was that when I checked WebTrak, there were no reports of any runways scheduled for maintenance. Usually when all that noise happens, it's due to that. Maybe it was something that came up unexpectedly and they had to close a runway for a few hours.
Title: Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
Post by: Chingwa on October 06, 2019, 02:30:17 PM
The planes don't have any affect on the buildings, only on the people living in them.