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Title: Bachue
Post by: Breezie on September 26, 2014, 07:28:19 AM
Does anyone have an idea as to what is planned for this site? I was doing laundry when they drilled holes into the concrete and placed wooden poles around the front, is that part of their property line? They've gutted the place long ago, but isn't that area still considered Historic Jackson Heights?
Title: Re: Corner of 86th Street and 37th Avenue: THE OLD DRAGON SEED SITE
Post by: toddg on September 26, 2014, 02:39:46 PM
I don't have any information, but posted a link to some vintage pictures here: http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=264.0
Title: Re: Corner of 86th Street and 37th Avenue: THE OLD DRAGON SEED SITE
Post by: Shelby2 on October 26, 2014, 12:43:42 AM
I spoke to a guy outside the site.  I think he might have been on the construction crew but I'm not certain.  He said something about "international Latin cuisine" and said it will look very different with windows lining the place as it goes down 86th.  I envision maybe it will look something like La Nueva on 85th, but that's just a guess.
Title: Re: Corner of 86th Street and 37th Avenue: THE OLD DRAGON SEED SITE
Post by: hfm on October 26, 2014, 12:01:53 PM
Hopefully not with a bunch of multicolored flashing LED signs.
Title: Re: Corner of 86th Street and 37th Avenue: THE OLD DRAGON SEED SITE
Post by: Shelby2 on October 26, 2014, 01:30:00 PM
Hopefully not with a bunch of multicolored flashing LED signs.

True.  I'm hoping someone with a good sense of design is in charge of this one.  :)
Title: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Chuckster on March 31, 2015, 10:34:46 AM
Curiosity struck, so after some Googling, I found some information on what we can expect to see once construction work is finished at 86-02 37th Avenue.

It appears that a restaurant by the name "Fonda" is slated to open at the location (no mention of when).  In Spanish, the word "fonda" basically translates to "inn," or informal food establishment.  My guess is that it may be Colombian.

If you're interested in reading specifics on what's in store in terms of construction at the location, you can find some information at the following PDF link:

http://archive.citylaw.org/lpc/6.27.14/154090.pdf

Here's a link to a video from New York City Landmarks addressing the business owner's application for construction at the location.  The information presented is pretty much what appears on the PDF link above:

Public Hearing, April 29, 2014- Item 3: 86 02 37th Avenue (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN5lcag1hvY)
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: earbears on March 31, 2015, 10:41:49 AM
Thanks for the info. Have been wondering for a long time.

I am still unclear if the site is still one or is it back to the original 2 stores.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Dudley on March 31, 2015, 11:38:48 AM
It's going to be a Colombian place: bachueny.com
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Chuckster on March 31, 2015, 12:03:18 PM
It's going to be a Colombian place: bachueny.com

Wow, Dudley!  Thanks for the link.  Looks enticing from the prelim website, and if the construction plans are still in accordance with what was detailed above, it may turn out to be a great addition to 37th Ave.

I am still unclear if the site is still one or is it back to the original 2 stores.

earbears, I wasn't aware that there were two storefronts involved.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: redge on March 31, 2015, 02:10:44 PM
Bachué:

http://www.culturarecreacionydeporte.gov.co/bogotanitos/cuenta-la-leyenda/bachue-y-el-origen-del-hombre (http://www.culturarecreacionydeporte.gov.co/bogotanitos/cuenta-la-leyenda/bachue-y-el-origen-del-hombre)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachué (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachué)

The site's Twitter, Facebook and Instagram links, as well as the newsletter subscription, don't appear to work yet.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: redge on March 31, 2015, 02:35:15 PM
More on the website...

The video in the background actually plays this YouTube video, made by a project called Blue Eden, on constant repeat with the sound disabled: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn-1D5z3-Cs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn-1D5z3-Cs)
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Shelby2 on March 31, 2015, 08:55:12 PM
More on the website...

The video in the background actually plays this YouTube video, made by a project called Blue Eden, on constant repeat with the sound disabled: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn-1D5z3-Cs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn-1D5z3-Cs)

Interesting.  I looked up Blue Eden, and their website does say you can contact them for licensing inquiries, so perhaps the restaurant purchased licensing rights to use the NYC video on their website.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: redge on March 31, 2015, 09:22:56 PM
More on the website...

The video in the background actually plays this YouTube video, made by a project called Blue Eden, on constant repeat with the sound disabled: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn-1D5z3-Cs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn-1D5z3-Cs)

Interesting.  I looked up Blue Eden, and their website does say you can contact them for licensing inquiries, so perhaps the restaurant purchased licensing rights to use the NYC video on their website.

Don't know.

What I do know is that the musicians who created the music for the video are from Queens and, according to the Wikipedia article on them, successfully sued four years ago for use of their music without a license. Coincidentally or not, the restaurant's website mutes the music behind the video. It also significantly mushes/deteriorates the quality of Blue Eden's imagery as it is streamed on the website, clearly deliberately.

Don't know if the restaurant is doing this under license or is ripping off other people's work to make itself look "cool", "sophisticated" and "creative".

What I do know is that the video is effectively passed off as the restaurant's work, has nothing to do with Queens (let alone Jackson Heights), that there is no overt credit, and that one needs to watch it from beginning to end to see who made it or go into the site's code and trace it back :)
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Shelby2 on March 31, 2015, 10:36:00 PM

Don't know if the restaurant is doing this under license or is ripping off other people's work to make itself look "cool", "sophisticated" and "creative".

What I do know is that the video is effectively passed off as the restaurant's work, has nothing to do with Queens (let alone Jackson Heights), that there is no overt credit, and that one needs to watch it from beginning to end to see who made it or go into the site's code and trace it back :)

I'm no expert on licensing, but it looks to me that you can purchase rights to use this video for advertising here https://app.nimia.com/video/6616/new-york-afterglow-2  so I think it makes sense to be cautious about alleging that the restaurant has ripped it off improperly.  I don't quite understand why you would make that allegation without knowing for sure, or at least trying to find out.  If it concerns you, there's an email address for contacting Blue Eden.

Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: redge on March 31, 2015, 11:00:28 PM
... I think it makes sense to be cautious about alleging that the restaurant has ripped it off improperly.  I don't quite understand why you would make that allegation without knowing for sure, or at least trying to find out.

Excuse me, but you raised the licensing issue, not me. In my response to you raising it, I did not allege that there is a license problem. In fact, I said expressly (twice) that I don't know if it is an issue.

Cheers
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: redge on April 01, 2015, 06:49:14 PM
I don't quite understand why you would make that allegation without knowing for sure, or at least trying to find out.  If it concerns you, there's an email address for contacting Blue Eden.

Further on this, as of now the people behind this restaurant are no longer using Blue Eden's work/video/intellectual property to promote their business.

Draw your own conclusion.

Mine is that it now looks pretty obvious that they were indeed ripping off the people who made the video. And yes, I do have a concern/problem with that, because I think that people, including artists, should be paid for their work. I'm not big on theft of people's labour.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: redge on April 01, 2015, 08:01:27 PM
This kind of BS is infuriating.

The people behind Bachue restaurant have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not well in excess of a million, renovating the space.

Meanwhile, their interface with the public is a cheap but seemingly slick website that owes its slickness to stealing other people's work. Now it looks like Bachue, given the choice between being honest and paying a license fee for that work, a fee that I suspect is not exactly exorbitant, has now gone for a still photo that will be dumped in exchange for another if the photographer finds out and asks to be paid for his/her work.

This mentality is part and parcel of the attitude of far too many restaurant owners, who are not only opposed to paying employees a decent wage, but engage in widespread wage theft. If you're prepared to do something as chintzy as steal somebody's video, God help the dishwasher, especially if he/she is "illegal" and/or doesn't speak English.

Meanwhile, Buchue's description of itself on its About page (interestingly only in English) is not only pretentious, but barely literate.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Shelby2 on April 01, 2015, 09:51:31 PM
I don't quite understand why you would make that allegation without knowing for sure, or at least trying to find out.  If it concerns you, there's an email address for contacting Blue Eden.

Further on this, as of now the people behind this restaurant are no longer using Blue Eden's work/video/intellectual property to promote their business.

Draw your own conclusion.


The video is still up on the restaurant's website. 
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: redge on April 01, 2015, 10:05:27 PM

The video is still up on the restaurant's website.

Not on iOS, it isn't, where the owners are running a still photo that is not credited and has no apparent connection to the restaurant's food.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: toddg on April 03, 2015, 12:23:58 AM
Redge, you're entitled to your opinions, but trashing other businesses isn't a great way to build good will in the community if you're about to open a business of your own.   I hope your new venture lives up to the standards you're setting for others.

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Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: ljr on April 03, 2015, 10:04:03 AM
Redge may have been a bit too vociferous in his comment (why am I assuming Redge is male?) but he makes good points.  I looked up that website and also got a bad impression of the place well before it even exists. Why don't business owners understand that a website is their calling card and it needs to be professional and comprehensible? I actually see a lot of restaurant websites that don't make it easy to find the information you are looking for when looking for a place to eat. And I agree, of course, that creative people should be paid for their work.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: francis on April 03, 2015, 01:09:08 PM
in my opinion Redge makes perfect sense....be it "he" or "she" as does ljr.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Lilybell on April 03, 2015, 01:58:42 PM
I sure see a lot of assuming going on! 
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: earbears on April 15, 2015, 05:15:08 PM
We spoke with the owner. The restaurant will be basically Columbian but more of a family restaurant with not just Columbian food. The chef is Columbian and Japanese, So there will be lots of different things

He seems very nice. He also has another restaurant in Astoria. He hopes to open in 3 weeks. There have been lots of delays due to landmarks insisting on things to be done, changed, etc.

He will deliver!!!
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: ECG on April 15, 2015, 11:13:20 PM
I hope it is better than dorm food. Columbia must have terrific graduates who've eaten the food and still want to go into the restaurant business.

The food of the country, Colombia, is most likely not like institutional academic food.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: homeowner on April 19, 2015, 07:33:39 PM
I hope it is better than dorm food. Columbia must have terrific graduates who've eaten the food and still want to go into the restaurant business.

The food of the country, Colombia, is most likely not like institutional academic food.

:)  Thank you ECG…my sentiments exactly. ;)
Title: New Restaurant on 37th and 86th southeast corner
Post by: ljr on May 16, 2015, 08:27:17 PM
I think this place was the subject of a previous thread which I now cannot find. Is this the place that was being criticized because of its website and the suspicion that the owner was using images he/she did not pay for? I'm not sure. However, I just walked past the site and what is up with that name/logo? Has anyone noticed? The name/logo (name begins with an H but I neglected to write it down) features the silhouette of a semi-clad woman who appears to be wearing something like a loin cloth. What is the meaning of this? It's supposed to be a bar/restaurant, but this makes it look more like a "gentleman's club." I peeked in through a window in the construction shed and looked at the decor and all I can say is...no. Just—no. Disappointing. Just my opinion, of course.

[Moderator's Note: Merged with previous thread]
Title: Re: New Restaurant on 37th and 86th southeast corner
Post by: Shelby2 on May 16, 2015, 09:11:08 PM
It's called Bachue. http://www.bachueny.com/ 
Title: Re: New Restaurant on 37th and 86th southeast corner
Post by: Jeffsayyes on May 17, 2015, 05:40:46 AM

yeah I saw this the other day... wondered when it was going to hit the boards. I think this is going to be like some of the bar restaurants on northern blvd. Prob interested food and drinks but expected it to be a little loud for me.

...... I just walked past the site and what is up with that name/logo? Has anyone noticed? The name/logo (name begins with an H but I neglected to write it down) features the silhouette of a semi-clad woman who appears to be wearing something like a loin cloth. What is the meaning of this? It's supposed to be a bar/restaurant, but this makes it look more like a "gentleman's club." I peeked in through a window in the construction shed and looked at the decor and all I can say is...no. Just—no. Disappointing. Just my opinion, of course.

Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: ljr on May 17, 2015, 10:27:41 AM
Yeah, maybe the food will be good, but the aesthetics are unfortunate. On a happier note, Urubamba finally got their license to serve wine and beer, I noticed as I passed by yesterday. I really like that place and think their decor/atmosphere  is charming.
Title: Re: New Restaurant on 37th and 86th southeast corner
Post by: amsci on May 17, 2015, 01:09:10 PM
the silhouette of a semi-clad woman who appears to be wearing something like a loin cloth. What is the meaning of this?

[Moderator's Note: Merged with previous thread]

Likely this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachu%C3%A9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachu%C3%A9)

The goddess Bachué (from the Chibcha language "the one with the naked breast"), is a mother goddess that according with the muisca colombian mythology is the mother of humanity.

Haven't seen the interior, but the logo in and of itself isn't troubling IMHO.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: will4food on May 17, 2015, 02:00:05 PM
Wow.  So many haters here.  I, too, have seen the restaurant's interior and it looks quite sophisticated and spacious with a huge bar and a dining room sporting great lighting fixtures.  So much better looking than any of the other eating establishments on 37th Avenue.  And the chef promises a creative menu.  Let's welcome our newest neighbor and give this place a try.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: amsci on May 17, 2015, 02:14:31 PM
I agree will4food... maybe I haven't lived here long enough, but I don't get why folks are already getting their pitchforks out.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new joint. If it weren't so dang hot I'd walk over there and snoop the interior. haha :)
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: dssjh on May 17, 2015, 02:21:05 PM
it may be that some of us are jaded. but the look of the place (so far) and the website have all the earmarks of a drinking establishment that's designed to facilitate hookups. and as far as promising creative food? McDonald's says their new burgers are "artisinal."
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: francis on May 17, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
The website uses words put together that make absolutely no sense. It seems a lot of money went into this place....we will see as to the food if it's all about that....or not.    I'm hoping for the best but expecting the least. Maybe we will all be pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: amsci on May 17, 2015, 04:40:11 PM
Yeah, I have to agree that the copy is pretty gnarly.  ;D

I want to think that it's placeholder text (since much of the site is incomplete and for the sake of my sanity).  But then, why not just use some Lorem Ipsum?

Oh well, wait and see I guess!
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Stew on May 17, 2015, 06:03:35 PM
Twitter: @bachueny
Instagram: bachue_restaurant

By the way, my understanding is that the restaurant that the owner of Margaritas is opening next to the Army Surplus store will be opening soon.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: ljr on May 17, 2015, 09:33:20 PM
Okay, thank you, so now I know that the image of the woman has a cultural/mythological meaning. Not having a clue about that, to me it looked a little like what I mentioned before. I didn't write the name down and Google it and thus discover what the image is supposed to represent. Maybe they should include some words in their logo or a tagline or something to convey the meaning of the name. And re: "haters," people are merely expressing opinions which, even if negative, hardly constitute "hate." Some people might find the decor sophisticated, while others might find the same decor garish. I agree with the person who said it looks like it will be more of a bar-scene type place than a family restaurant. But I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: redge on May 24, 2015, 08:20:30 PM
Just dropped by Bachue. There's a hole in the plywood enclosure that gives a clear view of the interior.

The design looks clean. Long bar with three large flat screen televisions. Can't tell if there are TVs on the other walls. Tables appear to have stone tops. Floor is either wood or a wood synthetic.

As everyone knows, a couple of blocks west there's also Margaritas and the new place that the owners of Margaritas are opening in the large space between the Army Navy Surplus store and the former Subway.

There's some interesting food coming out of Bogota, Medellin and Cartagena. Hopefully one of the new restaurants will capture that.

It looks like Bachue is fairly close to opening.

Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Ed on May 25, 2015, 10:19:26 AM
I don't know about you, but "three large screen TVs" in a restaurant screams STAY AWAY....
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: lalochezia on May 25, 2015, 12:11:00 PM
I don't know about you, but "three large screen TVs" in a restaurant screams STAY AWAY....

Sadly, I agree.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: madalyn on May 25, 2015, 06:19:26 PM
Yo tambien.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: mchafkin on May 26, 2015, 10:16:05 AM
I'm not a fan of TVs-in-restaurants, but that's a pretty high bar in Jackson Heights. Even the best spots have TVs, unfortunately. (The only restaurant I can think of that doesn't have them is Casa del Chef, but that's not really in JH.)

Anyway, I'm keeping an open mind about this place. I don't see the point of dissing it before it's even open.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: ptbass75 on May 26, 2015, 02:11:41 PM
I agree mchafkin.  Remember all that back and forth about the refrigerator units in the new organic market before it opened?  Turned out ok imo.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: ptbass75 on May 26, 2015, 02:12:37 PM
I agree mchafkin.  Remember all that back and forth about the refrigerator units in the new organic market before it opened?  Turned out ok imo.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: hfm on May 27, 2015, 08:09:17 PM
I don't know about you, but "three large screen TVs" in a restaurant screams STAY AWAY....

As long as NFL is dominating them on Sunday I'll stroll in. :)
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Ed on May 28, 2015, 08:34:13 AM
I don't know about you, but "three large screen TVs" in a restaurant screams STAY AWAY....

As long as NFL is dominating them on Sunday I'll stroll in. :)
Is that some sort of sportsing group?
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: hfm on May 28, 2015, 10:29:30 PM
I don't know about you, but "three large screen TVs" in a restaurant screams STAY AWAY....

As long as NFL is dominating them on Sunday I'll stroll in. :)
Is that some sort of sportsing group?

I love it when people act like they don't know anything or couldn't care less about sports and call it sportsing and sportsball.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: dssjh on May 28, 2015, 10:41:38 PM
some people really dig lacrosse....
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: DijoninJH on May 29, 2015, 08:14:45 AM
Yeah, some people do, most of Long Island and entire Baltimore/DC region.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Ed on May 29, 2015, 08:37:20 AM
I don't know about you, but "three large screen TVs" in a restaurant screams STAY AWAY....

As long as NFL is dominating them on Sunday I'll stroll in. :)
Is that some sort of sportsing group?

I love it when people act like they don't know anything or couldn't care less about sports and call it sportsing and sportsball.
I exist but to serve.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: redge on May 30, 2015, 10:26:12 PM
The plywood enclosure is gone although brown paper covers the windows.

The website currently says 18 days to opening, although that changes regularly.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Palermo on June 11, 2015, 09:22:37 AM
The restaurant opened on Sunday for the parade and we went to check it out yesterday.

Its a slick interior, not my favorite, but still all in all satisfactory.  In addition to flatscreens behind the bar, there is another on the western wall.  There is also a second floor dj booth, so that probably indicates some of the restaurant's aspirations.  For some reason, they cheapen the furniture by laying out paper placemats on the white tables, but the plateware was nice, square/rectangle style, flat white.  Paper office depot printed menus with a limited food selection.

Of the three waitresses and two busboys, I don't think any of them have spent more than a week in food service.  Though polite and cheery, they had no idea what they were doing.  It took an hour for us to get our entree and we noticed other patrons with long faces in our predicament.  Conversely, we saw some folks arrive, be seated, served and leave while we waited.  The waitress explained that these were friends of the owner who called ahead, which shows either poor judgement on the part of the owner, or an awful ability to fib on the part of the waitress (heck, you are a new place, just make up a little bs about the place still getting its swimming legs).  But I had my wife, $5 coronas (what will it take to get drafts on 37th Avenue?!) and no particular plans, so there are worse places to be on a lazy summer evening.  We ordered another round as we waited which should have certainly been on the arm, but that did not happen.  Only open 3 days, maybe service pulls together, though given that table service in Las Margheritas has been spotty for years, maybe it won't.

As shakey as the front of the house was, what the back put out was marvelous.  Between the two of us, our starter was the Cilantro salad ($9), filled with avocado, eggs, lettuce and chicken salad.   Our main was the picada ($25) which was overflowing with well cooked pork, flank steak, sirloin and costillo, along with excellently fried yucca, plantains and potatoes.  It was more then the two of us could eat.  The green sauce they have is wonderful.  Delicious and I thought well priced for the quantity and quality you got. 

They have retractable awnings out all along the western side of the building, so I do not know if they are shooting for proper sidewalk seating, but that would be absolutely fabulous.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Shelby2 on June 11, 2015, 10:27:41 AM
I can see some photos on the restaurant's FB page, but I'm not sure if privacy settings might prevent others from seeing them.  (I might only be able to see them because I'm friends with the person who posted them.)

But in any case, here's the page https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bachue-Restaurant-bar/1634512796765477?fref=ts
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Ed on June 11, 2015, 12:21:43 PM
For this time of year, it's great that the whole window wall on 86th Street opens up. But my TV fears were realized, that joint is LOUD. Friend of mine just got back from Mexico City, he said sitting in a crowded restaurant there (50 to 60 diners) you could sit back in your chair and have a pleasant conversation. Here, the standard seems to be leaning forward and yelling to be heard.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: redge on June 12, 2015, 10:18:21 PM
Some observations tonight (Saturday) at 10:00 pm ...

The place is about 1/3 full.

When I entered a few minutes ago, there were two serious bouncers at the front door.

The owners may have spent a lot of money on the overall buildout, but not on the dining area.

The design is clean but reminds one of a nice cafeteria. The bar top is fake marble and the table tops are plastic. The bar stools are cheap and uncomfortable. It's a space that would have come off as trendy in the mid 80s to mid 90s.

It's noisy. The surfaces (floor, walls, ceiling) are all hard and there is no sound absorption. This means that the sound is reverberating/echoing everywhere.

There are seven large televisions, three over the bar, two over the west wall and two over the north wall. At the moment, none of them is playing sound.

The staff come across as eager.

But the place is fundamentally sterile. If it's going to survive, it's going to need a late night young crowd and loud music.






Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: ljr on June 12, 2015, 10:34:36 PM
We spoke with the owner. The restaurant will be basically Columbian but more of a family restaurant with not just Columbian food. The chef is Columbian and Japanese, So there will be lots of different things


I remembered this comment from awhile ago. I just read the latest comment about the "two serious bouncers" at the door.Not exactly a "family restaurant" atmosphere. I remember seeing a sign at the door of another neighborhood restaurant, this one on Northern, that people have recommended on this board. The sign said something about mandatory coat checking. Sounds like they are concerned about drugs and/or weapons. That sign alone would prompt me to never set foot in that establishment. Bouncers? Same thing. Not my idea of a pleasant atmosphere for a night out. Maybe the food is good, who knows? I would still feel the same way. Not the kind of place I want to spend time at. Not an atmosphere I am comfortable in. So--It's disappointing in a neighborhood that could sorely use more nice dining options.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: dssjh on June 12, 2015, 10:51:33 PM
it's been clear from day one that "food" wasn't going to be a priority here. unless they offer something the couple dozen similar places on roosevelt don't have, i doubt they'll last that long. landlord will be good with that; a new tenant means a nice hefty rent hike.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: redge on June 12, 2015, 10:51:55 PM
So now it's 10:45 pm and they've started jacking up the volume on the music.

What music?

80s disco and rock, which fits perfectly with the design of the place.

I want to come back here in a couple of weeks to find out whether it's found a clientele.



Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: redge on June 12, 2015, 11:01:23 PM
i doubt they'll last that long. landlord will be good with that; a new tenant means a nice hefty rent hike.

It's too cafeteria looking for any restauranteur to take over the existing space without big changes to the front of house.

I think that the current owners are serious about this, but that the design is a big miss.

Don't forget that someone earlier said that the food (which I haven't tried) is good.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Shelby2 on June 13, 2015, 12:05:35 AM
For this time of year, it's great that the whole window wall on 86th Street opens up. But my TV fears were realized, that joint is LOUD. Friend of mine just got back from Mexico City, he said sitting in a crowded restaurant there (50 to 60 diners) you could sit back in your chair and have a pleasant conversation. Here, the standard seems to be leaning forward and yelling to be heard.

When I visited Colombia, I went to multiple places where you had to really yell to your companions to be heard.  It seemed to be the norm there.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: redge on June 13, 2015, 01:31:20 AM
Friend of mine just got back from Mexico City, he said sitting in a crowded restaurant there (50 to 60 diners) you could sit back in your chair and have a pleasant conversation. Here, the standard seems to be leaning forward and yelling to be heard.

When I visited Colombia, I went to multiple places where you had to really yell to your companions to be heard.  It seemed to be the norm there.

There are quiet and loud restaurants in both Mexico and Colombia. In Bogota, my experience is that one is likely to run into places that are sonically "lively" in the Zona Rosa. Don't know about Medellin, from which many of our Colombian neighbors hail.
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Shelby2 on June 13, 2015, 10:20:26 AM
Friend of mine just got back from Mexico City, he said sitting in a crowded restaurant there (50 to 60 diners) you could sit back in your chair and have a pleasant conversation. Here, the standard seems to be leaning forward and yelling to be heard.

When I visited Colombia, I went to multiple places where you had to really yell to your companions to be heard.  It seemed to be the norm there.

There are quiet and loud restaurants in both Mexico and Colombia. In Bogota, my experience is that one is likely to run into places that are sonically "lively" in the Zona Rosa. Don't know about Medellin, from which many of our Colombian neighbors hail.

I was in Medellin.  I was also traveling with a group of Medellin natives who made all the decisions about where to eat and drink.  I suspect there are a number of places in Medellin that have much quieter environments than the ones I ended up in, but I don't know because I didn't experience them.
Title: Bachue
Post by: will4food on June 14, 2015, 08:45:44 AM
Yesterday afternoon I went with two friends to have drinks at the newly opened Bachue on 37th Ave.  The place is sleek and modern with light pouring in from vast windows.  The bar must be the longest one in JH.  Once seated, we were greated warmly by a very proud house manager and the owner who offered us a complementary order of delicious empanadas.  Drinks were generous and reasonably priced.  We liked the ambiance so much that we decided to stay for dinner.  Three of us shared a mountain of Colombian barbeque.  Perfectly cooked and seasoned.  Service by young and smiling wait staff was excellent. By all accounts, Bachue looks like a winner.  FYI, although there are huge TV screens throughout Bachue, the sound is turned off.
Title: Re: Bachue..a fine addition to the neighborhood
Post by: redge on June 14, 2015, 06:30:20 PM
Of the two people who have commented on this forum on the food, both have been positive. I'll have to try their menu. When I was there for drinks on Friday night, I was also struck by the fact that the staff are friendly and eager to please. I think that the design is sterile (a subjective issue, but it reminds me of a cafeteria), and that the absence of sound absorption makes it feel like an echo chamber at night, but good food and pleasant service would go a long way toward making up for those issues, at least as a place for lunch or early dinner.

We will soon have three large Colombian bar/restaurants within a couple of blocks: Bachué, Margaritas and the new place that Margaritas is opening two doors down. Will be interesting to see if there's enough business to support all three and how they differ in style, food and clientele.
Title: Re: Bachue..a fine addition to the neighborhood
Post by: redge on June 14, 2015, 10:41:31 PM
Dropped in again for a few minutes tonight. I have to try the food, but the space is awful.

From the outside it looks like a big shop selling televisions (yes, at night at least, the televisions are that prominent from the outside), and on the inside the floor is fake wood, the bar is fake marble, the table tops are white plastic and the seats are cheap and uncomfortable.

It's perfectly obvious that the owners have spent the least that they could on the front of house. Others may disagree, but from a design point of view this place is a reminder of the worst of 1980s design.

I'm hoping that the food will be good (and intend to try it soon), but this sure isn't a place for a romantic dinner.

Title: Re: Bachue..a fine addition to the neighborhood
Post by: JH101 on June 15, 2015, 04:50:54 PM
Had high hopes for this place and tried it out last week, the second day it was open.The space appeared decent enough, airy and open with early 2000's decor. However as another poster mentioned, the flat screens all over the place make it feel more like a sports bar. I'm going to chalk it up to just having opened and haven't worked out there systems yet, but sat down and ordered drinks which took 20 minutes to get and we're not great. About 15 minutes later, after flagging down our waiter to finally take our order, the food never came. After about 45 minutes we started asking nicely where our food was and the manager came out and rudely said, just 5 more minutes. Another thirty minutes went by and our waiter continued to ignore us, so my friends were getting angry. Since the waiter was useless, we told the bus boy to get us our check, so they brought out some appetizers. At that point we were so mad, we paid for our drinks and left. Other people around us were getting served and we found that a bit peculiar, since we were the only non Colombians eating there at the time.
Title: Re: Bachue..a fine addition to the neighborhood
Post by: ljr on June 15, 2015, 10:14:56 PM
I agree with Redge about the aesthetics of the place. That was pretty much my reaction when I peeked inside before they opened. It's always exciting to see a new place opening here--and disappointing when it's...well, disappointing. 
Title: Re: Bachue..a fine addition to the neighborhood
Post by: Minimal4me on August 13, 2015, 07:57:15 PM
I just went here tonight for a Margarita. I was walking by and the patio doors were open and I was in the mood to celebrate (some good MRI results).

I ordered a margarita and the bill was $4. (I didn't realize it was happy hour!)

It was an excellent frozen margarita served in a beautiful martini glass. The ambiance and the music were great. And I enjoyed watching the street activity from my perch at a tall table.

The waiters could not have been nicer! They brought me a free appetizer - homemade corn chips and a red pepper remoulade.

I really like this place and I will be back!
Title: Barchue
Post by: petster on December 30, 2015, 09:26:26 PM
While leaving Starbucks today there was a guy handing out flyers from Bachue advertising what appeared to be their New Years Eve special. I live close and haven't tried the place yet and was curious.  Looking at the menu I saw "private Security". I thought this was  really weird to put on the menu and it  made me feel uncomfortable as a potential patron. Has there been any violence at this place in the past? It seems totally disconnected from what you would see on any menu.
Title: Re: Barchue
Post by: ljr on December 30, 2015, 11:31:02 PM
I noticed something like that at La Gloria when I walked by once. I think there was a sign saying all coats MUST be checked or something like that--making me feel as if they expect patrons to be packing guns. Very creepy. I don't think I have ever seen anything like that anywhere in NYC, and I've lived here since 1976. Bachue had been touted as a "family restaurant" I believe. I've never been there, but that's a big turnoff to me.
Title: Re: Barchue
Post by: dssjh on December 30, 2015, 11:44:54 PM
i've seen signs/notes like that in quite a few places -- the really old-school, now mostly-gone italian places in carroll gardens were very big on "security" -- but never around here.
Title: Re: Barchue
Post by: madalyn on December 31, 2015, 09:56:10 AM
Many times I've seen people being frisked going into bars and clubs on Roosevelt Ave.    My thought is always - why would someone want to venture into a place where regular patrons might be packing heat?
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: Palermo on March 28, 2016, 04:51:25 AM
Everytime I walk past the Bachue, they seem empty, even when all the other nearby eateries are bouncing.

Found this on the old Dragon Seed
http://lostnewyorkcity.blogspot.com/2010/04/holy-scorpion-bowl-actual-pictures-of.html

I adore tiki themed chinese food places.  Should Bachue leave, let's bring back the Dragon Seed. 
Title: Re: 86-02 37th Avenue (Former Listo el Pollo / Dragon Seed)
Post by: francis on March 28, 2016, 04:54:19 PM
It amazes me that this place survies. Never see a soul in there and it took a lot of bucks to do the kind of renovations they did.
Title: Re: Bachue
Post by: jeanette on April 29, 2018, 06:51:24 PM
It looks like Bachue is no more. New letters on the facade say Raices, which means roots (if I read it correctly). It is advertising itself as a party place.
Title: Re: Bachue
Post by: CaptainFlannel on April 30, 2018, 07:32:33 AM
It appears it's a rebranding, but same ownership, same management. I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Bachue
Post by: ptbass75 on May 28, 2018, 06:52:55 PM
Looking at it and considering the quick turnaround I was thinking a rebrand, but isn’t it going from Columbian restaurant/bar to Colombian restaurant/bar?
It also seemed like Bachue way was doing well. Walking past at nights it looked like it had a nice, lively crowd. For a hot minute they were trying to do a brunch but they had very few vegetarian items and the menu.   Maybe they will try that again.
Title: Re: Bachue
Post by: Minimal4me on July 04, 2018, 11:05:53 AM
It looks like Bachue is no more. New letters on the facade say Raices, which means roots (if I read it correctly). It is advertising itself as a party place.

If Raices is similar to the one in San Juan, it's awesome. JH could use some mofongo!
Title: Re: Bachue
Post by: dssjh on July 04, 2018, 11:38:06 AM
seconding the mofongo jones!
Title: Re: Bachue
Post by: JHMNY on July 04, 2018, 12:10:30 PM
If Raices is similar to the one in San Juan, it's awesome. JH could use some mofongo!

The Raices is Jackson Heights specializes in Colombian food, so we probably won’t see mofongo on their menu. I think the closest we get to it may be La Gloria on Northern,  Mamajuana’s Café in Woodside, or Don Coquí in Astoria. There may be other restaurants serving it in Corona.  I love mofongo, but it’s a difficult dish to get just right. I’ve ordered it at La Casa del Mofongo in Washington Heights, but it’s been hit or miss.
Title: Re: Bachue
Post by: jeanette on July 04, 2018, 12:41:00 PM
Didn't jeffsayes say he ate mofongo on the pizza-in-a-bodega?
Title: Re: Bachue
Post by: Jeffsayyes on July 04, 2018, 01:59:18 PM
Didn't jeffsayes say he ate mofongo on the pizza-in-a-bodega?


It was at Chimi Pizza. It was fresh - which is basically the difference-maker for me. SOoooooooo many times, too many times is the mofongo dried out - I never get it anywhere.