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Title: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Chuckster on April 21, 2014, 06:11:17 PM
I just read on Twitter that a fire has broken out at the Bruson Building on 37th Avenue, above Armondos.  Waiting for more information.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Chuckster on April 21, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
Here's a photo posted on Twitter by tweeter, @tezlaroe.


(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy43/JacksonHtsLife/FireinJH_zps18e464b8.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/JacksonHtsLife/media/FireinJH_zps18e464b8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Chuckster on April 21, 2014, 06:27:50 PM
Here's another photo from the scene.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy43/JacksonHtsLife/BrusonFire_zps1be9dfd2.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/JacksonHtsLife/media/BrusonFire_zps1be9dfd2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: chrisj on April 21, 2014, 07:15:08 PM
Saw the fire on the way home. According to NBC news, fire broke out on the Third floor.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7135/13961818725_44cdef5435_c.jpg)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5271/13958641781_9001bfd8be_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Chingwa on April 21, 2014, 08:01:34 PM
8:00pm it's still going on.  I live across the street and have a front-row view.  This got way bigger than I initially expected.  Hope everyone is OK!
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: pidrissi on April 21, 2014, 08:22:23 PM
Oh Boy!  It looks like it's going to be a while before Armando's is up and running.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: kmjh on April 21, 2014, 08:24:49 PM

Photo taken by the roommate earlier.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d23/BlackshirtPower/April21JacksonHeightsFireFour_zps65198826.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: kmjh on April 21, 2014, 08:30:30 PM
Looking down 75th towards Armondo's.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d23/BlackshirtPower/April21SmokeFour_zpsb523ccb7.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: kmjh on April 21, 2014, 08:35:10 PM
One more. The view behind the building, taken from 74th.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d23/BlackshirtPower/April21SmokeSeven_zps97eca71a.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: mrose19 on April 21, 2014, 08:43:36 PM
Video I took early on here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7fduALTgXA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7fduALTgXA&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Miss Chatelaine on April 21, 2014, 09:51:01 PM
wow, anyone know what was in that space in the corner on the 3rd floor? It looks so intense in that video especially.



 
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Superclam on April 21, 2014, 09:56:57 PM
wow, anyone know what was in that space in the corner on the 3rd floor? It looks so intense in that video especially.

I heard something about a college? I'm not 100% certain. I also heard there were no injuries, and I hope that is indeed the case.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: hfm on April 21, 2014, 10:17:28 PM
wow, anyone know what was in that space in the corner on the 3rd floor? It looks so intense in that video especially.

I heard something about a college? I'm not 100% certain. I also heard there were no injuries, and I hope that is indeed the case.

I suppose if there is any silver lining at all it's the fact that no one appears to have been seriously injured and no one lost their home.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on April 21, 2014, 11:02:22 PM
the space was recently occupied by plaza business college -- which recently announced a departure that was widely applauded in an earlier thread here by some posters who wished it good riddance.

i am extremely hopeful that armando's, la portena and frank's didnt suffer any lasting damage....and i am always a bit suspicious of fires that seem to start spontaneously in empty spaces.

wow, anyone know what was in that space in the corner on the 3rd floor? It looks so intense in that video especially.

I heard something about a college? I'm not 100% certain. I also heard there were no injuries, and I hope that is indeed the case.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Shelby2 on April 21, 2014, 11:15:04 PM
the space was recently occupied by plaza business college -- which recently announced a departure that was widely applauded in an earlier thread here by some posters who wished it good riddance.

i am extremely hopeful that armando's, la portena and frank's didnt suffer any lasting damage....and i am always a bit suspicious of fires that seem to start spontaneously in empty spaces.

wow, anyone know what was in that space in the corner on the 3rd floor? It looks so intense in that video especially.

I heard something about a college? I'm not 100% certain. I also heard there were no injuries, and I hope that is indeed the case.

Plaza College had not yet moved to its new space.  Plaza occupies the basement level, the entire second floor and part of the third floor.  The rest of the third floor has small businesses like a dentist's office, some insurance brokers, a travel agent and possibly a social services agency.  Not sure what's on the 4th floor.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: lalochezia on April 21, 2014, 11:16:18 PM
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20140421/jackson-heights/massive-fire-erupts-jackson-heights

I can't imagine with the volume of water that has been  continually pumped into those spaces (545pm -> 1115pm and later) that ANY of the businesses on the 1st floor survived. I hope thye had insurance; I would Imagine the building has to be torn down or at least  entirely stripped to frame.

Sad.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: EricaS on April 21, 2014, 11:17:33 PM
My husband and I just walked down to take a peek at the damage. We were viewing from 37 and 74. Looks like the fire tore through floors 3 & 4 completely, and partially though floor 2; blinds in the windows on floor 2 at the west corner of the building were intact. However, it did appear that the ceiling of the bodega on the corner of 74 had collapsed - probably due to water damage. And there were still 5 ladders blasting water about an hour ago. So I don't think it's looking to good for the restaurants on the first floor, sadly. Hopefully they can guy it out and rebuild quickly, but certainly lots of work to be done.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: lindsey on April 21, 2014, 11:54:06 PM
Perhaps it's just because I've never been so close to a major fire before, but I was amazed by the quantity of smoke it produced. Hours after the fire was extinguished, the smoke just seemed to get thicker and more noxious. The cops directing traffic on 35th Ave. and 75th St. had to use flashlights so motorists could see them. We live a block from the Bruson Building and finally had to decamp for a motel-- with two little kids, I was worried they were going to start having trouble breathing. I'm so glad nobody was injured in the fire, but the smoke must be harmful for people nearby, especially those with asthma.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Chingwa on April 22, 2014, 12:08:44 AM
well there's still smoke because there is still fire (12am).  seems like all outward signs of fire are gone, but they're still spraying the building.  I think it's taking its time burning up as much inside as possible. :(
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: divanatrix on April 22, 2014, 06:50:11 AM
Odd how it happened after Plaza College decided to move elsewhere... 

I got out of the subway, I guess shortly after it started. Looked down 75th and all I saw was flames. It took awhile to figure out where they were coming from. The fire was terrifying and I feel badly that it was still being worked on after midnight. Glad no classes were going on when it happened but it definitely seems suspicious.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Superclam on April 22, 2014, 09:11:02 AM
http://gothamist.com/2014/04/22/photos_video_firefighters_battle_5-.php#photo-1

Apparently it's under control, but still burning.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Lilybell on April 22, 2014, 10:01:43 AM
That was some fire!  I was being my usual oblivious self on my walk home at 6pm until I happened to look up and saw flames shooting out of the building and fire trucks everywhere. 
Did anyone else nearby notice the incredibly loud helicopter?  It seemed like it was there for hours - at first I thought it was a news chopper but I guess it was a police helicopter since it was there for so long and flying so low. 
Oh, and my cable and internet went out from it as well. 
I'm glad no one was seriously injured.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: rosie on April 22, 2014, 10:34:04 AM
When I walked towards the subway this morning at around 8:30, I was amazed to see that there were still two hoses spraying water on the building. From the various news articles I've seen online, it sounds like there are some stubborn hot spots they're still trying to get under control (or at least were this morning- hopefully it's better now).
Lucky nobody was seriously hurt...
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: gsmayes on April 22, 2014, 12:52:54 PM
My cable and internet went out as well. It was crazy how many peole were packed in the street watching.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Chingwa on April 22, 2014, 01:28:08 PM
seems like the fires are all finally out.  water hoses have stopped and looks like internal investigation is underway.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Beech Court on April 22, 2014, 05:35:49 PM
I'm not pointing a finger but it "smells" like arson. I guess the question then is who had the best motive?

I also hear there is structural damage to the rear wall.

Look what happened the last time there was a commercial space on fire on the avenue.
And unlike that place this block is outside the Historic District.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: divanatrix on April 22, 2014, 05:54:00 PM
Look what happened the last time there was a commercial space on fire on the avenue.
And unlike that place this block is outside the Historic District.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: wooden_soldier on April 22, 2014, 05:58:40 PM
Can someone fill me in on what happened with the last fire?
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Shelby2 on April 22, 2014, 06:09:38 PM
Can someone fill me in on what happened with the last fire?

Here is one old thread on the fire.  There may be others about the building once it began to be re-built.  http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=4143.0
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Breezie on April 22, 2014, 07:59:15 PM
http://streeteasy.com/building/74_09-37-avenue-queens

I wonder who they are?
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: wooden_soldier on April 22, 2014, 08:44:14 PM
So if my beer-addled brain is understanding correctly, it is alleged that back in 2010 an insane dirtbag started a fire to force his/her tenants out?
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: luzmaria71 on April 22, 2014, 09:11:19 PM
Between 82nd and 83rd streets on 37th avenue there was a massive fire of small local businesses in the late 80's or early 90's.

Now it's the A & C palace monstrosity.   That fire was very suspicious as well.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on April 22, 2014, 09:21:53 PM
So if my beer-addled brain is understanding correctly, it is alleged that back in 2010 an insane dirtbag started a fire to force his/her tenants out?

not an insane dirtbag, a typical developer. you own a block long stretch of small storefront buildings -- liquor store, laundromat, inexpensive furniture -- rented long term at relatively low rents. you decide you'd rather have a six story condo building with dozens of apartments selling for well above the neighborhood average. you spend a few bucks on supplies, a few more bucks on "labor" and BOOM! .... you get what you want. a proud nyc tradition for decades.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Breezie on April 22, 2014, 09:54:20 PM
I wonder if the Estate of Joseph Bruno Trust are still the owners of the property.  I appears they were as of 2005 but much can change.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: GregL on April 22, 2014, 10:10:10 PM
Between 82nd and 83rd streets on 37th avenue there was a massive fire of small local businesses in the late 80's or early 90's.

Now it's the A & C palace monstrosity.   That fire was very suspicious as well.

It was May, 1987.  My mom and I lived in the apartment building next door on 82nd Street.  I woke up smelling smoke and could see the fire well involved from my bedroom window.

While it was very suspicious from the start, the fact that the burned out buildings caught fire AGAIN six weeks later cemented the fact it was arson for just about everyone.

Greg
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: toddg on April 22, 2014, 10:32:56 PM
I think it's important not to sling criminal accusations around here.

The fire on 2/13/2010 at 37th and 84th was investigated and ruled to be an accident.  I understand that many people are unhappy with what the property owner built after the fire, but it complied with both the Historic District restrictions and the zoning code, and is very similar to neighboring historic buildings.

The 8-story tower between 82nd and 83rd (known as the A&C Palace) replaces some commercial buildings apparently destroyed by arson.  As far as I can tell, it was determined to be arson, but nobody was ever charged.  Construction on the new building started before the historic district was designated in 1993, but JHBG deserves a lot of credit for pushing the design of this building to look more like the historic district.

In the case of the fire at the Bruson building, the FDNY is investigating.  I think we should wait for the results.

The zoning for this site seems to imply a maximum floor-area ratio of 4.8 if some community functions are included in the building (I think this includes medical offices).  This would seem to imply that a new building could be one storey higher than the old one if it uses the same footprint. 
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Shelby2 on April 22, 2014, 11:09:51 PM
Does anyone know how long it generally takes for fire investigators to determine a fire's cause?
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: kmjh on April 22, 2014, 11:17:59 PM
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Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on April 22, 2014, 11:21:30 PM
ah, "determined to be an accident." a favorite lower east side punchline circa 1983-4. high five.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Miss Chatelaine on April 22, 2014, 11:38:07 PM
Does anyone know how long it generally takes for fire investigators to determine a fire's cause?

I'm not sure but I would think in this case their job could be a bit easier given how many people were in the general area of the building at the time it started.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: kmjh on April 23, 2014, 09:14:22 AM
Apparently, investigators don't believe the origin is suspicious.
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20140423/jackson-heights/massive-jackson-heights-fire-not-suspicious-source-says (http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20140423/jackson-heights/massive-jackson-heights-fire-not-suspicious-source-says)
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Shelby2 on April 23, 2014, 11:15:07 AM
Apparently, investigators don't believe the origin is suspicious.
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20140423/jackson-heights/massive-jackson-heights-fire-not-suspicious-source-says (http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20140423/jackson-heights/massive-jackson-heights-fire-not-suspicious-source-says)

It was hard to tell if this is an actual determination or just someone's best guess.  Also, who is "the source"?  It seems strange that no one is named.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: ProdigalSon on April 23, 2014, 12:45:36 PM
It is unfortunate, but 37th Avenue has had a history of fires that gut entire blocks. I can remember back in maybe 1983 (?) when the whole block btwn 89th and 90th went up in flames. Then in 1987, the block where A&C Plaza is now. Fast forward to 200? when the block btwn 84th and 83rd went up and now the Bruson Bldg. I'm not casting aspersions on anyone here, just lamenting the loss of good mom n' pop type neighborhood businesses which haven't come back. I would also wager most of the businesses under the Bruson Bldg won't be back either.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: ErnestoTW on April 24, 2014, 06:35:45 PM
This is a truly sad.  All of us here at Table Wine would like to send out our thoughts and prayers to those affected by this fire.  We wish them comfort in this difficult time.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: toddg on July 07, 2014, 10:17:13 AM
Reconstruction will start soon, according to DNAinfo (http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20140703/jackson-heights/bruson-building-reconstruction-will-begin-soon-owner-says).   There may be some modifications to the building (the article mentions the addition of some windows - perhaps in the back?), but no additional floors.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Beech Court on July 07, 2014, 11:17:36 AM
I am very happy to hear this news. And I'm sure many others will be too.

It was a scary thought that the building might have been ripped down, and an entire block of our neighborhood might have become who knows what.

I hope to see our familiar shops return and some exciting new ones to replace what was empty. This could also be a good opportunity for a gym to replace Plaza Business School.



Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on July 07, 2014, 11:48:23 AM
agreed on all counts. i wasn't familiar with the layouts of the upper floors...did Plaza have a whole floor that could be used for that purpose? that would be a nice addition.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Shelby2 on July 07, 2014, 01:06:00 PM
agreed on all counts. i wasn't familiar with the layouts of the upper floors...did Plaza have a whole floor that could be used for that purpose? that would be a nice addition.

Plaza used to occupy the entire basement and second floor, and part of the 3rd and 4th floors.  They won't be back, though.  Moved to Forest Hills.  So...plenty of room for NYSC to move in!
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: toddg on December 05, 2014, 02:34:22 AM
Uh-oh.   Chain store alert (http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20141204/jackson-heights/bruson-building-looking-at-major-chains-fill-fire-damaged-structure).
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on December 05, 2014, 08:10:50 AM
maybe they can get a dunkin' donuts or a subway. those are hard to find. or a duane reade. better yet, TWO more duane reades,
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Grabey on December 05, 2014, 09:21:28 AM
Popeye's? A bank? Why don't the owners think about what the community actually wants and needs.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: lalochezia on December 05, 2014, 09:47:31 AM
Letter writing campaign to the owners and broker. Involve local politicians. Shame the assholes that want to straight up homogenize this neighborhood.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: francis on December 05, 2014, 11:57:28 AM
I was wondering if the Argentean steak house would return? Popeyes ..... Crap. I'm willing to write letters or do whatever it takes to stop this kind of thing from happening although I don't think the owner has to listen.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Ms. Jackson on December 05, 2014, 02:24:45 PM
My letter is written and in the mail!
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: hfm on December 05, 2014, 03:26:53 PM
Judging by how packed the McD's on 76th and Roos is every time I walk past it I could actually see something like that doing well despite how much I do not want it in our hood. And a bank? How many banks do we need on this strip..
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: bellabella on December 05, 2014, 03:46:16 PM
I was just telling my husband that I bet they will open a bank and chicken joint. I personally would like a chipotle.  I guess it boils down to whomever can pay the high rents. so sad..  >:(
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: lalochezia on December 05, 2014, 05:34:56 PM
Letter writing

www.brusonmanagement.com/

Joseph Bruno Trust. 74-09 37th Ave. Rm. 201. Jackson Heights, NY 11372. Phone: 718-639-0476.

Mark Gallucci Managing Director | Queens
516 874 8070 x508
mark@sabreny.com
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Elwood P Dpwd on December 05, 2014, 10:35:44 PM
Think of the possibilities for the neighborhood.
All of this vacant, raw space can have a very positive impact on eveyone's quality of life.
The ground floor could house an extension of Elmhurst's or Mt Sinai's clinics.  Maybe a small drop-in center to help clean up Diversity plaza and the subway station.
The upper floors used to house several social service/mental health programs scattered all over the place.  Maybe they could be brought together in one place so that if someone is looking for help or information it's there.  Perhaps offices for housing rights advocates, domestic violence/abuse counselors, immigration/workers rights.  Not-for-profit ESL classes that don't rip off the students and actually teach them something.

Think about it.  Would you rather be known as the neighborhood that helped it's own or the "more craft beer" neighborhood?

Write to the owners.  Tell them you care about this neighborhood.  You'd rather see a happier/healthier Jackson Heights than use an ATM or have a burrito.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on December 05, 2014, 10:52:57 PM
in a perfect world? you bet. in a world run by developers and their employees in public office, not so sure.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Elwood P Dpwd on December 05, 2014, 11:15:16 PM
There is no perfect world.

The owner's are going to do what they're going to do.  It's hard to pass those easy bucks by.  Unless it's worth your while.

I know that zoning variances and tax breaks are given to construction that includes community space.  I'm sure that if their attorneys got together with Drumm's office and city planning/buildings something could be worked out.

All you need is the incentive.

You should write to your electeds and tell them to step up and represent the community and not just pose for bad pictures.



Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: eddie on December 06, 2014, 10:31:25 AM
I was just telling my husband that I bet they will open a bank and chicken joint. I personally would like a chipotle.  I guess it boils down to whomever can pay the high rents. so sad..  >:(

would love a chipotle... we have plenty of local businesses and unique restaurants ... i dont get why ppl freak out over some commercial stores. a nice, clean mcd's wouldn't be the end of the world or affect the QOL.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: cultartist on December 06, 2014, 10:48:25 AM
Even though I would almost always choose Coatzingo, Tia Julia, Maravillas or Tacos Morelos over Chipotle I still think it would be the best choice of the fast food options.  Healthier, more creative--a place that just tries a little harder than McDonald's or Burger King.  Not, of course, that we have any choice in this kind of thing--the landlord will do what he wants and will most likely take the easiest, most secure and profitable route.  But, hey, nothing wrong with dreaming and hoping a little bit. 
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: homeowner on December 06, 2014, 11:06:05 AM
With 70,000 square feet, the owners have a rare opportunity.  A bank or a Popeye's being the least appealing/needed tenants. 
Movie theatre, or cultural arts center or bookstore would get my vote/business. 
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: cultartist on December 06, 2014, 11:26:26 AM
Here's a thought--and not sure what we can do to help make it happen--for something that's a chain (i.e. with investment money) but also something the neighborhood could use:  a Whole Foods or Trader Joe's.  I know, I know--we have an amazing Sunday greenmarket and fabulous produce stands but this might be welcome and popular as well. 
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Shelby2 on December 06, 2014, 11:32:25 AM
Here's a thought--and not sure what we can do to help make it happen--for something that's a chain (i.e. with investment money) but also something the neighborhood could use:  a Whole Foods or Trader Joe's.  I know, I know--we have an amazing Sunday greenmarket and fabulous produce stands but this might be welcome and popular as well.

If you have ever been to the Trader Joe's in Queens, you probably know that the congestion created by shoppers (mostly people with cars) is horrendous.  No matter how much I would love a TJs in walking distance of my apartment, I would never wish that congestion on this neighborhood.

I personally would love to see a NYSC, but I don't know how likely that is to happen.

I also agree that the LL's are going to be trying to get as much money as possible.  I am wondering if someone who understands the issues from both sides could write up a sample paragraph with thoughtful content that we could personalize and send to the LL/management.  I really doubt that writing them asking for a bookstore or cultural venue is going to work.  At this point I feel like we just need to have the most appealing chain store possible.  This way they get their money and we get something that is not as horrible as a Popeyes.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: theplanesland on December 06, 2014, 12:02:45 PM
With 70,000 square feet, the owners have a rare opportunity.  A bank or a Popeye's being the least appealing/needed tenants. 
Movie theatre, or cultural arts center or bookstore would get my vote/business.

Multiple movie theaters have failed in this neighborhood. "Cultural arts center" can't compete with chains on rent. Bookstores are, sorry to say, pretty much dead as a category. We need to be realistic - these landlords are not neighborhood-friendly and are just looking to cash in at the highest dollar value possible. We need some people who understand what chains can pay, and can steer them at least away from Popeye's and towards something a *little* better.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: theplanesland on December 06, 2014, 12:04:47 PM
If you have ever been to the Trader Joe's in Queens, you probably know that the congestion created by shoppers (mostly people with cars) is horrendous.  No matter how much I would love a TJs in walking distance of my apartment, I would never wish that congestion on this neighborhood.

Agreed. In Queens, TJ's requires parking, and that building has no parking. Not only does it have no parking, that block is perpetually gridlocked all through the weekend with out-of-towners in cars driving in to shop at Subzi Mandi et al. Not appealing for TJ's planners.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on December 06, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
agreed with all of those points. movie theaters all across the five boroughs are closing up shop, and bookstores? as a writer, the idea just makes me cry.
 if we're talking national/regional chains, we could shoot for something in the clothing realm -- there's already a gap on 82nd, but there has to be something in the mid-price range - or housewares. i don't think a fast-casual restaurant would work all that well, since it'll be more expensive than cheap eats options and not as good as the sit-down places a lot of folks are craving. maybe someone could open a nice restaurant, but Jerry Crisci suggested that the landlords were not being terribly tenant friendly in terms of negotiating rents.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Shelby2 on December 06, 2014, 12:40:18 PM
This makes me realize how fortunate the people at the other (80s) end of the neighborhood are to have gotten the larger new organic store in the newly-rebuilt-after-the-fire building on 84th/37th instead of something like a Popeyes.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on December 06, 2014, 12:42:58 PM
okay, i have to say it. popeye's might be my favorite fast food place -- it even ends up on top ten lists from my food critic pals when fried chicken rankings are taken. that said, i'd rather have something other than fast food there.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: eddie on December 06, 2014, 12:58:57 PM
okay, i have to say it. popeye's might be my favorite fast food place -- it even ends up on top ten lists from my food critic pals when fried chicken rankings are taken. that said, i'd rather have something other than fast food there.

yea if a chipotle and popeyes opens up there I wouldn't be mad at all... I love the restaurants around here but there's nothing wrong with some american fast food sometimes.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: lalochezia on December 06, 2014, 02:43:20 PM
the acceptance on the board of the lowest common denominator is really depressing. it's also really bad strategy.

when you want to effect change or negotiate, you don't start from "this is OK, this will be barely acceptable", becuase the other side will just  go lower.

you need to start from a plausible demand. Like 60% locally owned, non-franchise store per block. Then in negotiation, that comes down.

If the community can actually effect pressure; can landmarks, JHBG, danny dromm, city ordinances be put into effect here? Can we talk at all about foot traffic, parking impact, littering, environmental friendliness....perhaps minority/female owned business breaks from the city?

How have other neighborhoods that actually give a damn slowed the inevitable chain-ification of their COMMUNAL commercial space. It DOES happen in NYC; particularly in brownstone Brooklyn. Their advice would be welcome.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on December 06, 2014, 03:50:18 PM
there are no city ordinances against fast food, banks, or anything like that. if there were, new york city would still be new york city.
 
i appreciate your idealism, but there's nothing the "community" can "demand" from a commercial landlord. zip. zilch. nada. i'm not saying that's right, but i am saying it's true.

this isn't a new development where the landlord is asking de facto permission to do something. this is a landlord rebuilding and looking to make a killing. that's the modern world. yeah, it sucks. but you and i don't have any leverage to tell a building owner what to do with his property - other than, in the historic district, demand a specific color for signage.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: lalochezia on December 06, 2014, 05:55:09 PM
I agree that it's unlikely we can demand much effectively; we can exert moral and political pressure, but it probably wont add up to much - unless.....

 I ask again: how have neighborhoods in brownstone Brooklyn resisted some of the rush to chain-ification? There are commercial landlords there who can presumably rent to banks and 7-11s and mcdonalds - those guys money is as good there as it is here - and yet you don't see them in those neighborhoods in anywhere NEAR the density we do here in a nominally historical district.

Why? What mechanisms did they have that we don't?  Community Boards? Local politicians promise of access - or a threat?. Something must work there that doesn't here. We need to know.

It's worth a shot.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on December 06, 2014, 06:17:06 PM
but there are banks and 7-11s and starbucks all across brownstone brooklyn. no popeyes, because that's too declasse for folks who want to spend $20 for fried chicken. but there's a duane reade or cvs every block or two, an atm on every corner. they just have nicer signage.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: paparinkochan on December 06, 2014, 09:08:49 PM
I used to live near the Kaufman Studio in Astoria.
Personally, I miss Applebee's and UNO's happy hour deal and unlimited soup/salad lunch special.
I prefer these chains over Popeye's, Barger King, McDonald and so on.  :-*
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: European on December 06, 2014, 11:34:03 PM
Trader Joe's
Chipotle
TJ Maxx
Large gym with SPIN class!
H&M
Large play house for kids
Anything for kids
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: jadasie on December 07, 2014, 08:44:11 AM
If the space is large and suitable enough, then I think a gym (e.g. a full-featured Crunch/NYSC) wouldn't be a bad idea. It would satisfy the landlord's desire for a large chain and the neighborhood's for a bigger/better gym.

We already have McDonald's, Taco Bell, Burger King, and Wendy's in the neighborhood. Why do we need another American fast food chain? We have plenty of Mexican, so why a Chipolte? TJMaxx--there's a Famous Brands on Roosevelt, and I think a TJMaxx or Marshalls on Northern in Woodside. Why another? Trader Joes would be cool, but that location seems impractical (as mentioned, the traffic!).

And, please, no Applebees, UNOs, Panera Bread, etc! These are the worst suburban imports we could possibly introduce.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: hfm on December 07, 2014, 10:14:00 AM
I agree that it's unlikely we can demand much effectively; we can exert moral and political pressure, but it probably wont add up to much - unless.....

 I ask again: how have neighborhoods in brownstone Brooklyn resisted some of the rush to chain-ification? There are commercial landlords there who can presumably rent to banks and 7-11s and mcdonalds - those guys money is as good there as it is here - and yet you don't see them in those neighborhoods in anywhere NEAR the density we do here in a nominally historical district.

Why? What mechanisms did they have that we don't?  Community Boards? Local politicians promise of access - or a threat?. Something must work there that doesn't here. We need to know.

It's worth a shot.

Because the neighborhoods in "brownstone brooklyn" wouldn't patronize those places. It's all about what the market will bear. It's also possibly the landlord's view as well depending on the building, whether they live in the neighboorhood maybe.. etc.. Though I doubt that has as much to do with it.

The only way to keep banks and Popeye's out is to speak with dollars and not patronize those places so they go out of business and get replaced by something you want and throw your dollars at it. Money talks.

I hear those places on in the low 70's command ridiculous rents because those guys are open 24hrs a day and make a KILLING from people coming from all over the area to shop for halal and ethnic foods. Those places make mad profits even with the high rent. No theater or bookstore or niche boutique is going to even begin to compete for the rents being asked for.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Shelby2 on December 07, 2014, 10:42:44 AM
If the space is large and suitable enough, then I think a gym (e.g. a full-featured Crunch/NYSC) wouldn't be a bad idea. It would satisfy the landlord's desire for a large chain and the neighborhood's for a bigger/better gym.


If anyone wants to contact NYSC and suggest they consider the space for a new branch, you can fill out this form: https://www.mysportsclubs.com/feedback.htm  You do not need to be a member to submit the form.  Just select NYSC, outer boroughs, and "Real Estate Development" in the drop-down menu under "subject."

Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: theplanesland on December 07, 2014, 10:49:17 AM
Because the neighborhoods in "brownstone brooklyn" wouldn't patronize those places. It's all about what the market will bear. It's also possibly the landlord's view as well depending on the building, whether they live in the neighboorhood maybe.. etc.. Though I doubt that has as much to do with it.

I hear those places on in the low 70's command ridiculous rents because those guys are open 24hrs a day and make a KILLING from people coming from all over the area to shop for halal and ethnic foods. Those places make mad profits even with the high rent. No theater or bookstore or niche boutique is going to even begin to compete for the rents being asked for.

This is super important. Go take a look at the Census and Zillow demographics for Carroll Gardens vs. 11372. They're very different demographics ... which is part of what I LIKE about Jackson Heights. It just happens that small local 'artisanal' businesses can only survive in certain circumstances: (1) they own the building, (2) commercial rents are low (as we see in places like Bed-Stuy) or (3) the neighborhood is absolutely full of rich people. As hfm says, the Indian businesses are supported by the fact that they're destination shopping, not neighborhood shopping - people come from 50 miles around to go to them, as anyone standing in the middle of 73rd Street gridlock can tell you.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: hagsrus on December 07, 2014, 12:18:03 PM
Perhaps they should tear it down and build a multi-story parking garage! (Shudder)

I'd really love a local Trader Joe. The ones in Manhattan seem to survive without parking lots but I suppose they pull a lot of "office" trade, which the residential FH branch would lack.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: cultartist on December 07, 2014, 12:27:56 PM
by the way, on the gym front--the Blink on Roosevelt is fantastic.  Large, many machines and really affordable.  Not sure how many have joined or checked it out but worthwhile for sure. 
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: daisy on December 07, 2014, 03:15:23 PM
I too would love another gym.  While Blink is a great affordable gym, it is basically the only thing going on in the area so it is very crowded and busy.  It also does not do classes, something I really enjoy.  Astoria actually has a number of big gyms, and most are not chains.  It would be nice if we could have some more of those here.  I also do not get the mentality that every store here must have parking.  All of the big box stores in Manhattan including Trader Joes do just fine without parking.  Foodtown does not have parking either.  Why wouldn't people just walk to the Trader Joe's if it was there, just like they walk to Foodtown and all the other stores?  I suppose the answer is because it's Queens and people drive here.  I don't but I must be in the minority.  I don't care to have more banks and fast food options but money talks and may the bland reign, lol.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Shelby2 on December 07, 2014, 03:30:19 PM
I also do not get the mentality that every store here must have parking.  All of the big box stores in Manhattan including Trader Joes do just fine without parking.  Foodtown does not have parking either.  Why wouldn't people just walk to the Trader Joe's if it was there, just like they walk to Foodtown and all the other stores?  I suppose the answer is because it's Queens and people drive here.  I don't but I must be in the minority.  I don't care to have more banks and fast food options but money talks and may the bland reign, lol.

I think Trader Joe's would do fine in JH without parking, but the problem is that many people would still attempt to drive to get there and cause massive congestion around the store.  We already have that phenomenon going on with the Indian stores  in the area, and I think to add yet another store where people out of the area would come shop (driving) would make for an enormous mess. 
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: homeowner on December 07, 2014, 06:41:51 PM
I agree that cultural, film and book stores wouldn't fly - though I can dream.

One thing JH could use is a great pet supply store.   Petco is going into Dante's so that is likely not an option and Petland Discounts is awful.  There are a LOT of pet owners in the area and few places to shop. 

Astoria has some fantastic fruit stores - I would love a great produce store.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: theplanesland on December 07, 2014, 07:29:03 PM
One thing JH could use is a great pet supply store.   Petco is going into Dante's so that is likely not an option and Petland Discounts is awful.  There are a LOT of pet owners in the area and few places to shop. 

Astoria has some fantastic fruit stores - I would love a great produce store.

Has anyone tried the little pet store on 35th at 72nd? Is it any good? I remember thinking that's an odd location for a pet store, but it's an odd location for anything. Also, what do you think of Coral Aquarium? That's where we always used to go for stuff for our cats - it's locally owned and has a pretty good selection of food and litter, at least in my experience.

Also, just to play devil's advocate - Subzi Mandi and Apna Bazar have massive quantities of produce, like, so much that it's spilling out into the streets. What's missing that they aren't serving?
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: hfm on December 07, 2014, 08:04:49 PM
One thing JH could use is a great pet supply store.   Petco is going into Dante's so that is likely not an option and Petland Discounts is awful.  There are a LOT of pet owners in the area and few places to shop. 

Astoria has some fantastic fruit stores - I would love a great produce store.

Has anyone tried the little pet store on 35th at 72nd? Is it any good? I remember thinking that's an odd location for a pet store, but it's an odd location for anything. Also, what do you think of Coral Aquarium? That's where we always used to go for stuff for our cats - it's locally owned and has a pretty good selection of food and litter, at least in my experience.

Also, just to play devil's advocate - Subzi Mandi and Apna Bazar have massive quantities of produce, like, so much that it's spilling out into the streets. What's missing that they aren't serving?

I really like Coral. It's conveniently right next to the train and they have a good selection. You may have to walk around to say, see all the canned cat or dog food options due to it being spread across multiple areas, but it's a good selection of stuff.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on December 07, 2014, 10:20:26 PM
agreed on coral. been going there for 15 plus years, first for cat supplies, now for bunny stuff. the proprietors are incredibly responsive to customers and the overall vibe is much nicer than any national chain i've been to.

and i also agree about our produce places. the one thing i wish we had is a stand alone seafood store. always buy from the fishmonger at the greenmarket, but midweek cravings get strong at times.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Jeffsayyes on December 08, 2014, 08:07:14 AM
It's a bit of a trek but there is a great fish store at 104/Roosevelt,NW corner in the mini supermarket.
Also I believe the older fish place is at junction/Roos.


I'd like to see a block of French stores, or maybe all Japanese stores. No big company who brings crappy food at higher costs, sends the money to another state, and pays their employees not enough to feed a family.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: wooden_soldier on December 08, 2014, 05:39:59 PM
Trader Joes, Chipotle, and a coffeeshop that takes itself too seriously. Seriously.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Superclam on December 08, 2014, 06:58:13 PM
a coffeeshop that takes itself too seriously. Seriously.

I don't usually like going to those places, but they always have great coffee.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: homeowner on December 08, 2014, 07:08:52 PM
I will re-visit Coral - I haven't been there in a while and wasn't too happy with it the last time. 
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on December 08, 2014, 10:02:46 PM
the first rule of serious coffeeshop. don't ever use the word coffeeshop.

i think the current phrase of choice is "free trade organic beanery."

a coffeeshop that takes itself too seriously. Seriously.

I don't usually like going to those places, but they always have great coffee.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Superclam on December 08, 2014, 10:07:47 PM
the first rule of serious coffeeshop. don't ever use the word coffeeshop.

i think the current phrase of choice is "free trade organic beanery."

a coffeeshop that takes itself too seriously. Seriously.

I don't usually like going to those places, but they always have great coffee.

I'm sure you meant "Fair-trade certified locally-roasted organic beanery offering soy AND almond milks."
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Ms. Jackson on December 09, 2014, 07:28:39 AM
Ha - Maybe just an almond milk store. Foodtown seems to be always sold out!
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: theplanesland on December 09, 2014, 08:56:08 AM
Ha - Maybe just an almond milk store. Foodtown seems to be always sold out!

We need a better grocery store, but we don't need it in the Bruson Building. We need it in the horrible evil awful bad-people grocery store between 75th and 76th which I shall not name, except You Shall Know Them By Their Giant Inflatable Rat.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Lilybell on December 09, 2014, 02:23:04 PM
Quote
Also, just to play devil's advocate - Subzi Mandi and Apna Bazar have massive quantities of produce, like, so much that it's spilling out into the streets. What's missing that they aren't serving?

Quantity does not equal quality.  I go to those markets a lot because they are close to me and I am lazy.  But they just don't have very good produce - the potatoes are ancient, the onions rot quickly, the cauliflower is hit or miss, the garlic is always too old to use, etc. 

I can't see a Chipotle coming to this neighborhood.  They tend to look for locations with a big office lunch crowd and college students.  For fast food, I'd much rather see a Wendy's than Popeye's. 
Title: Bryson Building's future
Post by: meyersu on December 11, 2014, 10:59:46 PM
I am surprised that no one has commented on this:

http://dnain.fo/12qcoyh

I guess we have no way to influence what type of business the owner wants to put in there?

Title: Re: Bryson Building's future
Post by: dssjh on December 11, 2014, 11:09:03 PM
there is a long and ongoing thread about it here.

and, no, we don't really have a say. that's why new york stopped being new york a decade or so ago.
Title: Re: Bryson Building's future
Post by: toddg on December 11, 2014, 11:09:16 PM
We've been discussing it actively  (http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=11816.msg59984#msg59984) since the article was published.   

Consensus seems to be there are few opportunities to influence the owners.  And opposition to chain stores doesn't seem to be uniform.   

But please tell us -- what do you think?

[Two threads merged]
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: wooden_soldier on December 12, 2014, 12:58:41 PM
I wasn't able to vote Daniel Dromm into office but I will help move him out unless a Trader Joe's appears in the next 6 months.  Clock is ticking--make it happen, DD.

Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on December 12, 2014, 02:08:09 PM
too late. term limits have already moved him out.

but you can always make the same spiel to obama -- as right wing radio will tell you, he's planning to declare himself emperor for life ;)

I wasn't able to vote Daniel Dromm into office but I will help move him out unless a Trader Joe's appears in the next 6 months.  Clock is ticking--make it happen, DD.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: QuentinC on December 12, 2014, 02:35:14 PM
Frankly, if a Trader Joes comes here, I'll probably move out.....
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: toque198 on December 13, 2014, 12:37:28 AM
I don't want to be the one to bring this lively (sic) conversation about upscale shops down...but are you aware that there are some amongst us that could never shop at Trader Joe's?  Or eat at those chain restaurants?

St Mark's on 82nd Street and 34th Ave operates a Food Bank/Pantry in conjunction with their Girl Scout Troupe.  Distribution is every 2nd Saturday.  Donations/drop offs can be made at the Church office any weekday morning.

http://saintmarks.net/events.html

It's too late to give a Holiday donation but hunger and need can't read a calendar.

Be thankful for what you have and remember it could be any of us.

BTW: I hate Trader Joe's.



Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on December 13, 2014, 09:02:46 AM
echoing pretty much everything toque says (although, like i admitted earlier, i like popeyes).

the local catholic church "cluster" (blessed sacrament, our lady of fatima and st. joan of arc) also has a program, which is called Marguerite's Pantry. donations are accepted at Joan of Arc at Saturday evening masses and all morning/early afternoon on Sunday, the first weekend of the month.

Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: theplanesland on December 13, 2014, 09:36:33 AM
I wasn't able to vote Daniel Dromm into office but I will help move him out unless a Trader Joe's appears in the next 6 months.  Clock is ticking--make it happen, DD.

Where is the parking? Trader Joe's in Queens requires parking. Danny Dromm can't magically make parking appear. If TJs was here, it would consider all of Jackson Heights, East Elmhurst et al to be its coverage area, which means parking. TJs is a destination grocery store, not a neighborhood grocery store.Come up with a business that doesn't want people to drive cars to load up with groceries.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: eddie on December 13, 2014, 10:33:21 AM
I wasn't able to vote Daniel Dromm into office but I will help move him out unless a Trader Joe's appears in the next 6 months.  Clock is ticking--make it happen, DD.

Where is the parking? Trader Joe's in Queens requires parking. Danny Dromm can't magically make parking appear. If TJs was here, it would consider all of Jackson Heights, East Elmhurst et al to be its coverage area, which means parking. TJs is a destination grocery store, not a neighborhood grocery store.Come up with a business that doesn't want people to drive cars to load up with groceries.

agreed... you'd either have a limited amount of people within a small radius buying just a few things that they could carry, or people wanting to drive to an area where there is no parking. Not exactly a good business model for TJ's?

Too many unrealistic "book store" ideas here too... times have changed and those places don't make it anymore.

Chipotle, Applebee's... UNO's... Panera...etc... those are chains that would add something different to the area at least.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: wooden_soldier on December 13, 2014, 11:45:12 AM
maybe with a million trains and busses coming through 74th/Roosevelt, customers won't need to drive. And maybe folks can just walk too.  Kind of like how people get to all the other TJ's in Manhattan and Brooklyn. 

I don't fully expect TJs to show up here but id like to daydream of a day I don't have to schlep groceries from Manhattan. 
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: wooden_soldier on December 13, 2014, 11:48:24 AM
 Also I don't quite get the anti-TJ sentiment. Is there something about their Business practices that people find objectionable? Or is it because the shopping experience there is awful? Now I've been to every single Trader Joe's in New York City and One inNew Jersey and I can say the worst one I've been to is the one in Queens. So if people are basing their opinions off of their experience there I can totally understand.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: QuentinC on December 13, 2014, 12:26:25 PM
I'll reply.  It is not Trader Joes per se, although I find nothing interesting personally in there for me to buy.  but large chains drive up rent, making it impossible for independent businesses to thrive, let alone open, and to me they homogenize the culture of a neighborhood.  They reflect NOTHING of the community they exist in, thus, in my mind, erasing the cultural fabric of a neighborhood.  Who owns the store?  Where does the profit go?  Not to the neighborhood.  Does the owner live nearby?  People ask for an independent restaurant, a bar.  can't happen, because the rents are already too high.  I know three people personally who looked into opening a new spot (2 restaurants, one a small bar) in the area, and the numbers just didn't make sense.  Only a large corporation can afford the rents.   Look at 6th avenue and the 20's or the west village in manhattan.  Are these "interesting neighborhoods" now?  look at Williamsburg and what it is becoming.  You said yourself there are already several Trader Joes in the city.  by all means patronize them, but I am always surprised about how many people willingly move into a neighborhood and then want to cherry pick their favorite stores of which there are myriad elsewhere, and plonk them down a half block from their house.  There is tremendous food shopping here, and in Astoria.  Bad vegetables?  There are several greenmarkets on 37th that are good, plus the farmer's market every sunday.  and amazing 24 hour vegetable shops in Astoria as well. 

Why on earth move to Jackson heights if you prefer a Trader Joes?  I know the answer is economics pure and simple. But it is disheartening to watch as the cultural fabric of the city changes into a shopping mall of the same seven stores.  Give me Patel Brothers and Subzi mandi any day.  That's why I moved here.  BUT I am guessing those who want the chains will get them, because the economics, and the culture are pointing that way.

I'll apologize in advance for rubbing anybody the wrong way. 
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on December 13, 2014, 01:04:15 PM
in defending the long island-ization of williamsburg and the desire to repeat that here, people often say 'new york has always been about change.' that's fair enough, but for hundreds of years, neighborhoods actually changed, they didn't get stepford-ized. the LES went from German to Jewish to Puerto Rican; Five Points went from Irish to Chinese; Sunset Park from Scandinavian to Latin. Nowadays, every neighborhood is required to become the mirror image of every other neighborhood -- four starbucks, two chain bagel places, a buy buy baby, a couple of upscale produce stands that put up fancy displays to triple prices.....there's no discernible difference between williamsburg, the upper west side, the west village, long island city.....it's one monolithic, monochromatic slag.

anything i can do to keep that from happening here, i'll do. it's why i don't go to duane reade unless absolutely necessary. why i've never set foot in the starbucks on 37th (or any starbucks anywhere, for that matter). everyone's entitled to vote with their dollars, and i vote to use mine with the llittle guy.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: theplanesland on December 13, 2014, 02:30:30 PM
maybe with a million trains and busses coming through 74th/Roosevelt, customers won't need to drive. And maybe folks can just walk too.  Kind of like how people get to all the other TJ's in Manhattan and Brooklyn. 

But that is not how the buyers and planners for these chains think of Queens. We are not Manhattan or Brooklyn. Everywhere west of Astoria that I can think of, they rely on large-scale, convenient parking (the garages on Queens Boulevard, if not the built-in parking at places like Queens Place, Shops at Rego and the TJ's on Woodhaven.) And even in Astoria, actual large-chain _grocery stores_ - like the Costco - insist upon parking.

That's because - outside of Manhattan and Brooklyn - these kinds of retailers do not think of themselves as neighborhood stores; they think of themselves as having a multi-neighborhood catchment area, and many of the neighborhoods in their catchment area tend to be car neighborhoods. If you want a store that really serves the neighborhood within walking distance, you'll have to look beyond these national chains and their planning policies and to a real, local business that has an interest in the local population. Or, if you want a chain, you'll have to look at sit-in dining rather than shopping.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: hfm on December 13, 2014, 05:16:32 PM
If a small independent place can't make it due to the rents, perhaps maybe something like a Heartland Brewery that has a bar and halfway decent burgers. Something that won't compete with places like Juju's and E77.

Speaking of.. those guys have seemed to find a way to make it, but then again those places are small. In redesigning Bruson they can carve the whole bottom out for one monolithic entity. Or maybe two.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: buzz on December 21, 2014, 08:53:44 AM
Another supremarket? I doubt it. Heartland Breweries vacated South Street Seaport and would impact the local diners ( plus do we need the rawkus?)   Another halal chicken place, nail salon and .99 cent store is the most likely outcome.  Landlords really don't care about JH Life
Title: Ideas for the Bruson Building
Post by: Shelby2 on December 29, 2014, 08:08:09 PM
Some of your ideas have made it into an article on DNA.info

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20141229/jackson-heights/share-your-vision-for-fire-damaged-bruson-building-at-town-hall-meeting

Posters on the forum Jackson Heights Life have proposed a movie theater, a coffeeshop, an extension to Elmhurst Hospital, a community center and more for the vacant offices.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: lstromer on January 03, 2015, 11:39:20 AM
I would welcome a Trader Joe's. Part of the issue with the one in Queens is that it shares space with a large Michael's and a furniture store, so that's a lot of shopping that may not have anything to do with TJ. I would also welcome it because Downtown Market is only at one end of the area; is far more expensive than TJ; and TJ offers options not available at any food store in the area, such as certified humanely raised meats. Foodtown only sells chicken that's certified. I moved here from Chicago about 18 months ago, and a TJ that moved into a super-busy area bought the whole building, creating a parking lot on the upper floors. That meant street parking wasn't made worse when they moved in. I would rather not have fast food places like McD's because of the smell. There'd be no way for people who live nearby (and I'd be one of them) to get away from that fryer smell. (At least Chipotle's can't be smelled a half-block away.) If someone wants a good burger, Ricky's Cafe makes good ones, and a local shop might be hurt by a national fast food chain. I would vote for nearly anything that wouldn't hurt the small neighborhood restaurants, which give JH such a neighborhood feel. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: carrefour_ny on January 03, 2015, 01:23:30 PM
Weighing in belatedly.

It strikes me that one thread that undertows this discussion is that the existing supermarkets, though numerous, are inadequate in terms of service, and selection and quality of goods they offer. The green market and Lemon Farm are terrific,  as are some of the small places we haveand I appreciate Metfoods' efforts, but there is definitely room for improvement in the supermarket scape.



Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: twmeb on January 12, 2015, 11:23:40 AM
Here is an interesting article from today's Daily News:

"Golden opportunity to create a true neighborhood hub for Jackson Heights":

http://nydn.us/1sf4ILv

I particularly like the suggestion of a physical fitness center and a center for language instruction.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: lalochezia on January 12, 2015, 12:09:04 PM
For those of you interested in this, please attend the meeting on the 22nd. Show that the community really cares about what happens to this space.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: ECG on January 12, 2015, 06:49:32 PM
Referring to the Daily News article. It wasn't a news article, only an opinion piece.

I wish we could get a reporter to focus on it.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: QueensLand on January 21, 2015, 11:57:16 AM
Thanks all for coming together to influence what the Bruson Building owners (in this case Mr. Craig Bruno) will do with the renovated spaces on 37th Ave off 75th St.  There are various opportunities here and I'm glad we're exploring all avenues possible.  We definitely don't need another McDonald's or Burger King in the neighborhood.  I wish it could be as it was, with La Portena restaurant and Armando's Italian (I know they're moving to Northern Blvd) and Frank's (I know they're on 77th now)  but I suppose they had to move on with their businesses after the fire. 

As I'm sure you'll all agree, we need healthy food options, and spaces for families with children.  I don't think opening a "fast food" franchise enhances our community. Some might say, well these are affordable restaurants, but so is say -- Pollos a la Brasa, or Tomo Japanese, or Arunee -- and at least these are far more unique, and offer an arguably friendlier atmosphere. 

There has been talk of possibly luring a franchise like Panera, and also backlash against that idea, and I'd chime in that the one thing that is wonderful about Panera is they encourage community groups to come together in their coffee shops.  They welcome clubs, support groups, even knitting circles (and aren't going to throw you to the curb as some places tend to do if you don't "buy" enough). 

Another franchise that is growing, that offers eco-conscious organic food options is Bareburger.  (Any entrepreneurs on this forum who want to look into opening one up?)

And just to chime in on Trader Joe's, I agree with many that it could be a delightful addition, since they offer creative "no-frills" items (& really I know of no shop really like it around here)...I would just share that a couple of years ago I got a bunch of my neighborhood friends to write to TJ's to ask them to look into the empty Mandee's shop by Blockbuster (now thankfully occupied by Garden School UPK) TJs sent automatic responses that they'd look into it -- and there would have been parking "built in" at that spot -- but they did not end up coming through obviously.  At the time I also called the owners of that block of stores, and he let me know the exorbitant amount he was asking for per month...I said it'd be great to have a studio there for kids' workshops, or perhaps to bring in a Trader Joe's to compliment the greenmarket, and he just said he "didn't think we needed another supermarket".  As if we needed another car parts store!!] 
I've also seen Whole Foods talked about on the local forums, and yes they offer a plethora of earth-friendly and unique options, but I believe they look for very affluent areas to settle in, so they may not look here... Luckily, we have the mom & pop shop "Downtown Market" on 84th St that offers a lot of the same items.

A couple of people along the way have mentioned book stores, which in essence are fantastic, though I know it can be hard to make a profit because of internet competition... I would be thrilled if the city would support the opening of a new Queens Library branch.  I know that libraries are non-profit, so perhaps that also wouldn't bring in the kind of $$ the building owners are looking for... (But if it is funded by the city, doesn't that mean it is steady revenue?)  I like to imagine a space to compliment the one on 81st, with space for interesting workshops, and all the learning opportunities a library offers for everyone.  (Again I look at the library expansion happening right now in Long Island City with the branch in the Citibank building.  It started out small, but they want to accommodate the need in the area, which is a need we also have)

Several folks have also declared that we could use a bigger gym in our area...I completely agree, because it would be great to finally have a gym again that offered CLASSES!  It's obvious that our residents like to come together to do group aerobic exercise (as seen by posts on various forums) and basically we are currently using borrowed spaces at neighborhood schools (or going outdoors - which is fine - but during WARM weather) 

Also, as could also be considered recently purchased White Castle corporate space on 69th St, we need more child-friendly spaces.  NY Kids Club in LIC for example is a nice open room where kids can safely climb and move indoors, and there are ramps for strollers, which is really lacking right now our area.  We have such great classes for young kids in Jackson Heights, but again right now they are generally held in spaces with no elevators, which make it extremely difficult for caretakers to safely bring their babies upstairs. 

It sounds like the "new" storefronts and offices at Bruson would be spacious, and could accommodate options like these, if the owner would open his mind to the possibilities.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Dodger on April 22, 2015, 12:57:18 PM
Here is an update, from dnainfo:

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150422/jackson-heights/bank-grocery-store-may-open-restored-bruson-building

Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: dssjh on April 22, 2015, 01:49:32 PM
thank goodness there'll be a bank. it's a good 100 feet to the TD from there.

but 'green grocer' is an interesting term. it will probably have to be a chain store to afford a big chunk at what's sure to be a high price. maybe Amish Market?
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Post by: ptbass75 on April 22, 2015, 03:23:26 PM
Another bank??  Well, thank goodness there won't be any highly acclaimed restaurants that become a neighborhood staple.  whew!!
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Post by: Lilybell on April 22, 2015, 04:02:49 PM
Huh, a green grocer could be great depending on if it's just another clone of Lemon Farms and the like.  But that's a pretty big space so I'm crossing my fingers that it might have a good variety of stuff.  I guess if it's a true green grocer it won't have meat and dry goods. 

And yet another bank. Meh.   
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Post by: lalochezia on April 22, 2015, 05:33:37 PM
We havent seen what "major chain" is going to go in-between the supermarket and bank yet. I can't wait. (vomits).
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Post by: redge on April 22, 2015, 06:13:40 PM
Another bank??  Well, thank goodness there won't be any highly acclaimed restaurants that become a neighborhood staple.  whew!!

Don't think there will be any independent restaurants going in there. The Trust wants $95/sq ft for the corners and $85 otherwise. And there's no basement, so you'd be paying those rents for your prep area, office, etc. Plus add the cost of a buildout, and venting to the roof, because what you're getting is a concrete shell.

For 2,000 sq ft at a corner, it's $190,000 per year. Otherwise, $170,000. Plus insurance, taxes, etc. A friend costed out 2,000 sq ft at one of the corners, and it worked out to something like $18,000 per month. Plus, almost certainly, an annual 3% increase (compounded, of course), which currently exceeds inflation.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: redge on April 22, 2015, 06:23:18 PM
'green grocer' is an interesting term. it will probably have to be a chain store to afford a big chunk at what's sure to be a high price. maybe Amish Market?

Judging from this quote and the rent, that would seem likely:

Quote
The grocery store would go in the former Armondo's Italian Restaurant space on the corner of 75th Street, he said — and while he couldn't say which company would move in, he said it's a well-known store with homemade products and fresh produce.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Cyril108 on April 22, 2015, 09:24:42 PM
Am I just being hopeful or does it sound like Fairway? A "well-known store with homemade products and fresh produce."
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Post by: Grabey on April 23, 2015, 09:17:40 AM
This is my block. While I would LOVE to have a Fairway, Trader Joe's, etc. so close to my apartment, I wonder what, if any, community input or traffic study was done before deciding to open a large chain grocery store there. (I know that there was a hearing/meeting about this a while back, but I don't remember this being floated as a prospective tenant.) Traffic is horrible with all of the double-parking happening on 37th Ave (not to mention the blocked traffic from Trade Fair Global Supermarket's delivery trucks). Cars honk incessantly on 75th/37th. Parking is horrible and it was bad even before we lost a block and a half due to construction. I don't even want to think about what the traffic & parking situation will be like when this new store opens up. From what I've seen so far, it doesn't look as if an underground garage is in the works.

I know that I'm literally shouting NOT IN MY BACKYARD! But I really don't think that the immediately surrounding area can handle the traffic influx that will come with this type of store.
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Post by: wk067781 on April 23, 2015, 09:25:58 AM
Am I just being hopeful or does it sound like Fairway? A "well-known store with homemade products and fresh produce."

I bet it'll be another C-Town
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Post by: Chuckster on April 23, 2015, 11:04:50 AM
The DNAinfo article's mention of a green grocer brought to mind something I heard a few weeks ago, and that's that one of the local markets, Patel Brothers, Apna Bazar, or Subzi Mandi were looking to relocate.  This isn't substantiated, but from what I heard, one of the three had expressed interest in occupying the Global Supermarket space.  With the mention of a known establishment, I wonder if it may be one of the markets interested in opening at the Bruson.  Food for thought.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Grabey on April 23, 2015, 11:26:59 AM
If it's something that's already in the neighborhood and just looking to relocate that's one thing. But if it's yet ANOTHER grocery store...I don't know, I think we have enough already (although having a TJ's or Fairway would be nice!). And another bank! Ugh! (Although, Habib American bank was there before, so maybe they're just moving back?)

I was hoping for a gym and a pub. Wishful thinking!
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Chuckster on April 23, 2015, 11:33:22 AM
(Although, Habib American bank was there before, so maybe they're just moving back?)

Grabey, I was just about to post about Habib Bank also.  Yes, they may be looking to move back to the Bruson.  Their current space seems rather small.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Lilybell on April 23, 2015, 11:40:18 AM
There is no way in hell we are getting a Fairway; we do not have the "right" demographics for them and Armondo's space isn't even close to being large enough. 
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Post by: puri on April 23, 2015, 01:21:12 PM
The second or third floor may be good for coworking space mentioned in this thread: http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=13143.0
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Cyril108 on April 23, 2015, 01:41:37 PM
I disagree about Jackson Heights not having the "right" demographics for a Fairway.  I think Jackson Heights is the perfect place for a new one.  The prices at Fairway are competitive and often better than Foodtown or the other options in the neighborhood.  Fairway has locations in lots of different areas and has been expanding rapidly in the last few years.  Also, I don't think the mention of the grocery store taking the same corner as Armondo's means that the new store will occupy the same exact footprint.  There is certainly space in that building for a large grocery store.  Obviously this store could be anything people have mentioned but I think Jackson Heights underestimates it's appeal to quality brands, especially a local business like Fairway. Blink Fitness and the new Gap store on 82nd Street are good examples of companies moving into the area.   
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Post by: Lilybell on April 23, 2015, 03:33:23 PM
The Fairway locations are all in higher-income areas except for two rapidly gentrifying neighborhoods: Red Hook and Harlem. I'd kill to have Fairway here, but it ain't gonna happen any time soon. It's a pipe dream.

Regarding the places you mentioned: The Gap Store is an outlet; we wouldn't be able to get a regular gap here. Blink Fitness is a discount gym. We couldn't get NYSC to come here; people tried.

It's not about residents underestimating the appeal; it's about numbers and outrageously high commercial rents in JH compared to other neighborhoods.
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Post by: dssjh on April 23, 2015, 05:41:17 PM
the one thing that completely nixes the fairway idea is the size of the space. the smallest fairway location is far bigger than the foodtown, which is far bigger than the space being discussed here.

the red hook one is 55,000 square feet, the new downtown/WTC area one is 50,000. it'd be like suggesting a shake shack move in to the (now seemingly closed) subway next to Ricky's.....
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Grabey on April 23, 2015, 06:07:38 PM
Good point. I can definitely see a TJ's going in there, though, they often have very small footprints.

I just hope that I can still get a parking spot in a reasonable amount of time whenever this thing opens...
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Post by: petster on April 23, 2015, 09:12:13 PM
I hope it's not another Patels or a "destination store" that people travel to from outside the neighborhood. That really would add to the existing chronic traffic nightmare.  I have always thought that Jackson Heights would benefit from municipal parking. Maybe under the BQE somewhere. Would really make a difference.
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Post by: hfm on April 25, 2015, 10:52:51 AM
How do we not have the demographics for something like a Fairway when there's places like the downtown natural market on 37th and 84th.
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Post by: theplanesland on April 26, 2015, 12:25:14 PM
How do we not have the demographics for something like a Fairway when there's places like the downtown natural market on 37th and 84th.

Fairway is much larger and needs to do a higher volume of business than the pocket-sized Natural Market.
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Post by: ptbass75 on April 26, 2015, 11:47:31 PM
Maybe a Citarella?  Kinda like a mini fairway
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Post by: theplanesland on April 27, 2015, 11:02:15 AM
Maybe a Citarella?  Kinda like a mini fairway

Could be. The size would be right. I'm leaning towards Amish Market though.
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Post by: Grabey on April 28, 2015, 11:20:32 AM
Amish Market would make sense - they're a chain and already have (or, had?) a store in Queens at Atlas Park. They're kind of pricey, though, at least, the one that I go to in Manhattan is.
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Post by: petster on April 28, 2015, 04:14:55 PM
I think the Met food....or whatever it is calling itself these days is just as pricey if not more so than fairway. True though that the space is much smaller than is necessary.
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: QueensLand on May 25, 2015, 07:04:19 PM
An excellent piece just came out from the New Yorker magazine about how high commercial rents are negatively affecting wonderful neighborhoods throughout NYC, including the West Village. It also features some solutions for this issue, including this blurb:
> If high-rent blight hurts New York’s municipal economy, what, if anything, might be done? Because the problem is tied almost inextricably to the value of New York real estate generally, there are no simple fixes. The #SaveNYC movement and the Small Business Congress NYC advocate the regulation of lease renewal. They support a bill written by the small-business advocate Steve Null that tries to limit rent spikes by making commercial-lease-renewal disputes subject to mandatory mediation and arbitration, like some baseball salaries. Gale Brewer, the Manhattan borough president, supports a different regulation of lease renewals, coupled with zoning rules, that encourages landlords to quit waiting for the jackpot and to start renting. Some, like Moss, want to fine landlords who leave storefronts abandoned, in the hope that they’ll then rent to smaller, quirkier companies instead of Chipotle. There may also be other original solutions to the specific problem of high-rent blight, such as, perhaps, finding ways to let pop-up stores use abandoned spaces on a seasonal basis. <

http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/why-are-there-so-many-shuttered-storefronts-in-the-west-village?mbid=rss
Title: Re: Fire breaks out at Bruson Building
Post by: Cyril108 on August 10, 2015, 01:57:41 PM
Has there been any update on the businesses moving into the Bruson Building?  The construction seems to be moving along nicely but its been radio silence since all the discussion back in May.   
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Post by: CaptainFlannel on August 11, 2015, 08:02:44 PM
We couldn't get NYSC to come here; people tried.

It's not about residents underestimating the appeal; it's about numbers and outrageously high commercial rents in JH compared to other neighborhoods.

Part of that could be that NYSC isn't doing well. I think part of it is that they over-expanded too quickly. In Manhattan they feel almost as ubiquitous as Duane Reade or Starbucks (yes, hyperbole, but dang they are everywhere). I'd love a NYSC to come in to the neighborhood - JH residents would flock to a gym that offers classes, towel service, etc. I went to the one in Sunnyside - which actually isn't the most convenient location for that neighborhood - and it was always decently full. But as mentioned, I've been told commercial space rent isn't much different than Manhattan rents. What gives? That's just nuts.