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Offline Chingwa

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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2021, 09:25:54 AM »
It's awful.  What is the point of an avenue when traffic is forcefully diverted off of the avenue every block, sending that traffic instead down residential side-streets to be clogged waiting for lights, backing up, spewing exhaust, honking etc., just in order to get to the next block over.

I see this force diverting happening everywhere and it does nothing but cause problems for drivers who want to use streets to get where they're going, and for residents who now have to contend with increasing traffic and stress on once-livable quiet side-streets.

City planners get paid to sit in offices and draw their fantasies on paper while the real-world result of their masturbation degrades the quality of life of people living in this city.  Really it would be better to pay them to do nothing and produce nothing and the majority of city-dwellers would be better off.

If you're going take away a street, then just have the balls to do it 100% and cut the crap.


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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2021, 11:36:00 AM »
But there's yoga, yard sales, hot cider stands and zumba sessions! Where will THEY be diverted to!

Kidding aside, thanks for a voice of reason. And remember it's only a proposal.

Offline CaptainFlannel

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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2021, 06:06:00 PM »
DOT said they wanted to reduce the reliance on volunteers to move the barricades twice a day. Then proposed diverters that drivers could simply drive around to easily access 34th Avenue for several blocks, making the Open Street not very pedestrian friendly, which DOT also said would probably mean the barricades would have to stay. Come again?

The barricades were an imperfect temporary solution fine for an emergency. We need design choices that limit cars to local traffic only, that keeps the space safe and inviting to pedestrians, and allows local drivers incapable of moving a heavy barricade access to the street to park, drop off/pick up, etc. This isn't it.

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like those losing their garage or business accesses along the avenue.

FYI, nobody is losing garage or business access.

Offline abcdefghijk

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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2021, 06:13:42 PM »

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like those losing their garage or business accesses along the avenue.

FYI, nobody is losing garage or business access.
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Oh no. Don't tell me folks are making up negative facts. How disappointing. And there I was admiring and celebrating those people for their integrity. Thinking they were upright citizens in our community. Sad.
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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2021, 08:47:50 PM »
do you really have to speak in such adolescent terms? have the balls to learn adult discourse and not simply reach for Atlas Pooped.

It's awful.  What is the point of an avenue when traffic is forcefully diverted off of the avenue every block, sending that traffic instead down residential side-streets to be clogged waiting for lights, backing up, spewing exhaust, honking etc., just in order to get to the next block over.

I see this force diverting happening everywhere and it does nothing but cause problems for drivers who want to use streets to get where they're going, and for residents who now have to contend with increasing traffic and stress on once-livable quiet side-streets.

City planners get paid to sit in offices and draw their fantasies on paper while the real-world result of their masturbation degrades the quality of life of people living in this city.  Really it would be better to pay them to do nothing and produce nothing and the majority of city-dwellers would be better off.

If you're going take away a street, then just have the balls to do it 100% and cut the crap.

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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2021, 01:15:46 AM »
[quote author=dssjh I'll take an intelligently written comment full of wit, passion, anger, proper sentence structure and punctuation any day over a quickly tapped out whine. Have you no response to the thoughtful opinion expressed, however flowery it is, or are you just offended? Several points about their gripe are completely valid. link=topic=20741.msg104458#msg104458 date=1635814070]
do you really have to speak in such adolescent terms? have the balls to learn adult discourse and not simply reach for Atlas Pooped.

It's awful.  What is the point of an avenue when traffic is forcefully diverted off of the avenue every block, sending that traffic instead down residential side-streets to be clogged waiting for lights, backing up, spewing exhaust, honking etc., just in order to get to the next block over.

I see this force diverting happening everywhere and it does nothing but cause problems for drivers who want to use streets to get where they're going, and for residents who now have to contend with increasing traffic and stress on once-livable quiet side-streets.

City planners get paid to sit in offices and draw their fantasies on paper while the real-world result of their masturbation degrades the quality of life of people living in this city.  Really it would be better to pay them to do nothing and produce nothing and the majority of city-dwellers would be better off.

If you're going take away a street, then just have the balls to do it 100% and cut the crap.
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Offline M7X7

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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2021, 12:14:03 PM »
What is the point of an avenue when traffic is forcefully diverted off of the avenue every block, sending that traffic instead down residential side-streets to be clogged waiting for lights, backing up, spewing exhaust, honking etc., just in order to get to the next block over.

I don't really understand this scenario you are describing. Someone driving from one block on 34th Ave to the next block on 34th Ave? Surely anyone would walk in that situation?

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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2021, 12:21:03 PM »
What is the point of an avenue when traffic is forcefully diverted off of the avenue every block, sending that traffic instead down residential side-streets to be clogged waiting for lights, backing up, spewing exhaust, honking etc., just in order to get to the next block over.

I don't really understand this scenario you are describing. Someone driving from one block on 34th Ave to the next block on 34th Ave? Surely anyone would walk in that situation?

I think they meant "the next avenue over" or something? It seemed clear to me. Shove the evil traffic onto the side streets so they can get to roads that work do as intended.. sorta.

Offline itsit

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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2021, 05:01:52 PM »
 What a contentious project! Really needs a long review by professionals with lot's of data because this plan is not what satisfies both parties who live/work/go to school on 34th Ave. It may be possible this was just put out to start a discussion and is far, far from anything that could be considered permanent. The Broadway to Northern Blvd. divided bike lane was installed and lasted about two weeks last year when it was demolished by traffic needing that space. I believe this design would have a similar fate. Chingwa called it!

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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2021, 07:45:31 PM »
The Broadway to Northern Blvd. divided bike lane was installed and lasted about two weeks last year when it was demolished by traffic needing that space. I believe this design would have a similar fate. Chingwa called it!
The first real snowfall always brings the snow plows to tear up all of these street modifications.
The Broadway bike lane is being built back now. Enjoy it while you can!

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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2021, 07:52:53 PM »
The Broadway to Northern Blvd. divided bike lane was installed and lasted about two weeks last year when it was demolished by traffic needing that space

If lawbreaking vandals wantonly destroy public safety equipment on roads, then they should be arrested and criminally charged.

Next time build it out of concrete.

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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2021, 08:32:23 PM »
What a contentious project! Really needs a long review by professionals with lot's of data because this plan is not what satisfies both parties who live/work/go to school on 34th Ave. It may be possible this was just put out to start a discussion and is far, far from anything that could be considered permanent. The Broadway to Northern Blvd. divided bike lane was installed and lasted about two weeks last year when it was demolished by traffic needing that space. I believe this design would have a similar fate. Chingwa called it!

It's a wonderful project. Beloved by thousands.

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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2021, 11:41:25 PM »
The people have spoken.

The anti open street candidate lost.

 Hooray for the Democratic process.

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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2021, 12:42:15 AM »
The people have spoken.

The anti open street candidate lost.

 Hooray for the Democratic process.

Yeah that's really the issue everyone was voting on  ::)

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Re: Official DOT plans for 34th Avenue
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2021, 06:31:49 AM »
The people have spoken.

The anti open street candidate lost.

 Hooray for the Democratic process.

Yeah that's really the issue everyone was voting on  ::)

Judging by this forum, yes.