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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #135 on: August 26, 2021, 10:54:26 PM »
Many of the folks posting here legit live on 34th Ave. Funny that this would be the issue!

Who besides auxbarricades lives on 34th Ave?

My observation is that many who don't live on 34th Ave are speaking, often incorrectly, for those who do.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #136 on: August 27, 2021, 09:29:17 AM »
I live on 34th ave. I'm in favor of the open street,  but I know it can be better, one issue obviously being that bikers need a designated lane, for everyone's safety. I also believe the hours being reduced in the winter months is a reasonable request.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #137 on: August 28, 2021, 09:47:48 AM »
I live o 34th Ave, facing Open Streets. It has done nothing but cause more headaches...parking nightmares, trash, traffic, and everyone that has an opinion (especially those not for it) face backlash. Sorry, but open streets has not done anything to improve quality of life. Most days it's empty so I struggle to see the payoff. If you want to improve the quality of life in all of JH, look at 82ND ST. Pay attention to the areas outside of the Historic District.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #138 on: August 28, 2021, 01:43:08 PM »
I suppose at its core, the conflict about Open Streets is really about car-lovers vs the car-free.

And this microcosm of disagreement is really an example of where cities are heading. The future of cities. Towards far more pedestrian access. Congestion pricing. Pro bicycling. Many more car-free streets planned in Manhattan etc.

And those who are pro-cars aren't happy about it.
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #139 on: August 28, 2021, 03:39:43 PM »
I’m not sure most car-owners would call themselves “car lovers.” It’s just for some of us getting out of the city, or around the city with a pet, is nearly impossible without a car. I also regularly bike, and there’s nothing “pro bicycling” about the open 34th Ave as it eliminates the one true east-west bike lane and replaces it with an obstacle course.

Jackson Heights desperately needs open space—and I’m happy to see people make the best of 34th ave—but wouldn’t 37th ave be the smarter street to close down (to non commercial traffic)? The sidewalks there are horribly overcrowded, and double parking is a mess that brings traffic to a halt anyway. Why not open it up, give the restaurants more outdoor breathing room, allow for more room to roam, and more space to play and hang out?

I suppose at its core, the conflict about Open Streets is really about car-lovers vs the car-free.

And this microcosm of disagreement is really an example of where cities are heading. The future of cities. Towards far more pedestrian access. Congestion pricing. Pro bicycling. Many more car-free streets planned in Manhattan etc.

And those who are pro-cars aren't happy about it.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #140 on: August 28, 2021, 11:39:58 PM »
@abcdefghijk, following your logic, I'd say the controversy is between "excessive-noise haters" and "excessive-noise lovers." 
 


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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #141 on: August 29, 2021, 09:56:11 AM »
@abcdefghijk, following your logic, I'd say the controversy is between "excessive-noise haters" and "excessive-noise lovers."

My logic is to listen to what those who live on 34th Ave are saying. And not to those with their own agendas... but who don't live on 34th Ave yet are speaking loudly for those who do.

So far it's very interesting.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #142 on: August 29, 2021, 10:16:16 AM »
@abcdefghijk, following your logic, I'd say the controversy is between "excessive-noise haters" and "excessive-noise lovers."

My logic is to listen to what those who live on 34th Ave are saying. And not to those with their own agendas... but who don't live on 34th Ave yet are speaking loudly for those who do.

So far it's very interesting.
Everyone who lives in the neighborhood is affected by this, not just those who live on 34th Ave. Some receive a benefit, some are inconvenienced.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #143 on: August 29, 2021, 10:41:10 AM »


@abcdefghijk, following your logic, I'd say the controversy is between "excessive-noise haters" and "excessive-noise lovers."

My logic is to listen to what those who live on 34th Ave are saying. And not to those with their own agendas... but who don't live on 34th Ave yet are speaking loudly for those who do.

So far it's very interesting.
Everyone who lives in the neighborhood is affected by this, not just those who live on 34th Ave. Some receive a benefit, some are inconvenienced.

Thanks. But I remain free to use my own logic.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #144 on: August 29, 2021, 11:10:12 AM »
Jackson Heights desperately needs open space—and I’m happy to see people make the best of 34th ave—but wouldn’t 37th ave be the smarter street to close down (to non commercial traffic)? The sidewalks there are horribly overcrowded, and double parking is a mess that brings traffic to a halt anyway. Why not open it up, give the restaurants more outdoor breathing room, allow for more room to roam, and more space to play and hang out?

37th Avenue can't be closed because key major 37th Avenue business owners are steadfastly against it. The ones with the constantly double-parked mid-day delivery trucks, and also the ones with the double and triple-parked out-of-town SUV shoppers. 37th is actually not a truck route, but is used as a truck route thoroughly and frequently.

34th never had that level of constant commercial traffic; it also has the median, the shade trees, the multiple schools and the park. So 34th can function as an extension of the park, solve some of the issues with schoolkids crossing the street (especially with the IS230 building layout), etc.

There are some bigger issues around the assertion that "you can't have groceries in the neighborhood without double-parking tractor-trailers in the middle of a busy street at midday" that really nobody at any level of city management or design wants to have to even think about. Obvious answer is to make each block in front of a grocery store a loading-only zone, but for some reason no, that's not a thing we can do.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #145 on: August 29, 2021, 02:33:10 PM »
I am firmly against an Open Street which is 1 mile or more long and runs through a residential neighborhood, rapidly being turned into a commercial strip. This is the longest Open Street in NYC and the only one in an only residential neighborhood. This street is empty during the week when people should be working. The Supporters of this initiative seem to be primarily in garden apartment coops or at the East end of 34th Ave and determined to drive people into the 70s and Travers Park. The whole project is a power play by a few, and ill conceived at best! Could the building on 89th Street have been saved if there weren't barriers for fire-fighters to move? I don't know but it's something to think about. The thought that this is going to increase the real estate value of Jackson Heights is nonsense, it is my opinion it will have exactly the opposite affect.

It would be wise to select what is read about this more carefully, the NYC blog is one sided, not journalism at all, and an obvious plant. Frankly I think the New York Times article was as well, shame on them, might cancel my subscription.

There should be compromise, greatly reduced hours. And there needs to be patrolling of activities. The overall noise level is out of control!! It's nice that families can use it at night and weekends when there is light. Soon there will be no light in the evenings and it will be cold.
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #146 on: August 29, 2021, 02:50:41 PM »
I am firmly against an Open Street which is 1 mile or more long and runs through a residential neighborhood, rapidly being turned into a commercial strip. This is the longest Open Street in NYC and the only one in an only residential neighborhood. This street is empty during the week when people should be working. The Supporters of this initiative seem to be primarily in garden apartment coops or at the East end of 34th Ave and determined to drive people into the 70s and Travers Park. The whole project is a power play by a few, and ill conceived at best! Could the building on 89th Street have been saved if there weren't barriers for fire-fighters to move? I don't know but it's something to think about. The thought that this is going to increase the real estate value of Jackson Heights is nonsense, it is my opinion it will have exactly the opposite affect.

It would be wise to select what is read about this more carefully, the NYC blog is one sided, not journalism at all, and an obvious plant. Frankly I think the New York Times article was as well, shame on them, might cancel my subscription.

There should be compromise, greatly reduced hours. And there needs to be patrolling of activities. The overall noise level is out of control!! It's nice that families can use it at night and weekends when there is light. Soon there will be no light in the evenings and it will be cold.

Interesting. Hmmm. Pointed accusations stemming from someone's opinions. A confusion of conjecture and reality.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #147 on: August 29, 2021, 03:02:52 PM »
I like how people are suddenly caring about noise when those of us that live on 37th have been dealing with the sound based torture of talentless buskers playing the same 5 songs over, and over, and over again (it's a military torture tactic...), 10 different garbage truck outfits making noise all night, the beeping trucks at the post office all night, I can swear it just sits there sometimes not moving just beeping for an hour or so.. but no one seems to care about stuff like that until their NIMBYism kicks in when it's about to hit you personally..

I definitely can empathize with those people that live on 34th who are staring down a potential noise source, especially on a 100% residential street. Usually these open streets are lined with cafes etc..

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #148 on: August 29, 2021, 06:07:36 PM »
I like how people are suddenly caring about noise when those of us that live on 37th have been dealing with the sound based torture of talentless buskers playing the same 5 songs over, and over, and over again (it's a military torture tactic...), 10 different garbage truck outfits making noise all night, the beeping trucks at the post office all night, I can swear it just sits there sometimes not moving just beeping for an hour or so.. but no one seems to care about stuff like that until their NIMBYism kicks in when it's about to hit you personally..

I definitely can empathize with those people that live on 34th who are staring down a potential noise source, especially on a 100% residential street. Usually these open streets are lined with cafes etc..

Interesting. A projection of a problem on 37th Ave onto 34th Ave. Meanwhile, what are the 34th Ave inhabitants saying about noise?

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #149 on: August 29, 2021, 11:45:31 PM »
Meanwhile, what are the 34th Ave inhabitants saying about noise?
We live on 34th Avenue. I realize that our experience may not be universal; I'm sure where on 34th you live, what floor, etc. all make a difference. But for us...the street is a LOT more noisy after 8pm. I don't notice much noise coming from open street during the day at all (been working from home for the last year+), but you can tell the minute it turns to 8:00 without looking at a clock, because of the vehicle noise. So for us, Open Streets has resulted in a quieter home, not noisier.

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« Reply #149 on: August 29, 2021, 11:45:31 PM »