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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2021, 09:23:17 PM »
Try as folks might, they cannot go against the tide of eco awareness.

The Open Streets are a sign of the future and what's to come.

Regardless whether folks are annoyed that I love the idea of open streets throughout New York...

I believe in the future of eco-awareness. And the Open Streets are an element of that.

Again, you can shoot the messenger. But the message remains unchanged.

 
  It's an attack that this poster seems most interested in as their information is flawed and that has been pointed out repeatedly with the same rejoinders of how they are "the future of ...". I question if this is a good strategy if you really did want Open Streets as a good quality, well-designed community oriented program, which by definition would investigate areas of disagreement and look to solve those issues to the best of their ability.
 Here, it's just pointed, unfounded attacks and some high and mighty conjectures. The DOT says they are listening for now and I don't doubt they are concerned about keeping 34th ave open because they are the group tasked with traffic flow and it's not working very well at the moment. And all kinds of people are tripping over themselves with "designs....for 34th Ave" in a way that is almost comedic but it's not really a funny story. To be continued...

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2021, 01:12:41 PM »


 
  It's an attack that this poster seems most interested in as their information is flawed and that has been pointed out repeatedly with the same rejoinders of how they are "the future of ...". I question if this is a good strategy if you really did want Open Streets as a good quality, well-designed community oriented program, which by definition would investigate areas of disagreement and look to solve those issues to the best of their ability.
 Here, it's just pointed, unfounded attacks and some high and mighty conjectures. The DOT says they are listening for now and I don't doubt they are concerned about keeping 34th ave open because they are the group tasked with traffic flow and it's not working very well at the moment. And all kinds of people are tripping over themselves with "designs....for 34th Ave" in a way that is almost comedic but it's not really a funny story. To be continued...

This paragraph is basically incomprehensible.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2021, 03:43:28 PM »


 
  It's an attack that this poster seems most interested in as their information is flawed and that has been pointed out repeatedly with the same rejoinders of how they are "the future of ...". I question if this is a good strategy if you really did want Open Streets as a good quality, well-designed community oriented program, which by definition would investigate areas of disagreement and look to solve those issues to the best of their ability.
 Here, it's just pointed, unfounded attacks and some high and mighty conjectures. The DOT says they are listening for now and I don't doubt they are concerned about keeping 34th ave open because they are the group tasked with traffic flow and it's not working very well at the moment. And all kinds of people are tripping over themselves with "designs....for 34th Ave" in a way that is almost comedic but it's not really a funny story. To be continued...

This paragraph is basically incomprehensible.

Just because a paragraph has more than one sentence in it doesn't make it incomprehensible

At this point I have to assume you are a troll

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2021, 04:17:28 PM »
Insults will not change the Open Street situation.

 

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2021, 11:04:06 AM »
Try as folks might, they cannot go against the tide of eco awareness.
The Open Streets are a sign of the future and what's to come.
Regardless whether folks are annoyed that I love the idea of open streets throughout New York...
I believe in the future of eco-awareness. And the Open Streets are an element of that.
Again, you can shoot the messenger. But the message remains unchanged.
This is religious zealotry.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2021, 11:35:02 AM »
Try as folks might, they cannot go against the tide of eco awareness.
The Open Streets are a sign of the future and what's to come.
Regardless whether folks are annoyed that I love the idea of open streets throughout New York...
I believe in the future of eco-awareness. And the Open Streets are an element of that.
Again, you can shoot the messenger. But the message remains unchanged.
This is religious zealotry.

Not quite, I don't really think I'm the Messiah...

But most Millennials are eco-aware. Hence, the future...

Offline itsit

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2021, 11:36:50 AM »
 But the general consensus, it seems, is that you are a troll.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2021, 11:39:49 AM »
But the general consensus, it seems, is that you are a troll.

Insults don't affect me. They reflect back onto the person who insults.

Though I do understand that it's a challenge for us all... having to face others with opposing opinions.

I remain firmly in the PRO OPEN STREETS. And we will all have to accept that that there are folks who don not agree with that.

But insults won't change anything.



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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2021, 12:33:38 PM »
However, I do think it's important that folks on this forum realize that there is a huge number of folks who support the OPEN STREET.

Otherwise people only hear their own voices echoing their own opinions in their own bubble. Only ever exposed to voices who agree with them.

And so presenting the opposite voice is crucial.

So it's not a shock for those in an echo chamber when decisions are made.




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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2021, 06:45:05 PM »
Open Streets is being expanded to include Open Boulevards. In our area, Woodside Ave will be closed between 76th and 78th Streets. DiBlasio must must hate 78th Street!
(I know this isn't new, but I couldn't resist posting a "The Jerk" callback.)
https://abc7ny.com/open-streets-boulevards-streets-restaurants-nyc-dining/10620018/

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2021, 06:52:30 PM »
As a long time JH resident, I am struggling with open streets, I love the outdoors and for many years, have jogged and walked in this area. I own a car, and park on the street like many others. I have seen this neighborhood change throughout the years, and the open streets program has not changed it for the better. It has caused a tremendous amount of traffic in the surrounding areas, more noise, trash on the road and more congestion (people and cars) in the area. There is a great outdoor space on 78 St. that is there to serve our outdoor needs. The sidewalks are quite large and there is plenty of room for everyone. I have been able to run outside with no issue prior to open streets. When kids go back to school and people actually commute back to work, what will be the need? I can guarantee the majority of walkers and people enjoying 34th Ave, don't actually live on 34th Ave. I do and I struggle with even trying to slowly drive on my street. I get dirty looks, cursed at for trying to park, and yelled at for driving. I was under the assumption this was a "shared road", so then share! If there is a driver on the road, we really just want to either park our car, or get out of 34th Ave, so we can sit in traffic elsewhere. I think the people walking and enjoying the street should be fair and see the other side as well. I don't see the benefit, if you want to walk there is plenty of space and there are parks throughout NYC. I don't really see a plan, a major street closed for people to walk? We have sidewalks for that. Metal barricades that block cars? Drivers have to get out and move them, fine, whatever, but sometimes there are 2 which is really obnoxious. For a shared road, it seems really one sided. It's dumb, I think it's pointless and don't see a long term benefit. I will gladly sign a petition for this not to continue. If you want to be eco friendly great, don't get a car, get a bicycle and follow the traffic rules, but don't judge or fault others for making the choice to have a vehicle. I guess DiBlasio will be making more of a mess than he already has by keeping this open.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2021, 07:14:59 PM »
Open Streets is being expanded to include Open Boulevards. In our area, Woodside Ave will be closed between 76th and 78th Streets. DiBlasio must must hate 78th Street!
(I know this isn't new, but I couldn't resist posting a "The Jerk" callback.)
https://abc7ny.com/open-streets-boulevards-streets-restaurants-nyc-dining/10620018/

I think that's great news.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2021, 10:43:36 PM »
One more item to consider. Some of the volunteers seem to have had the night off. 72nd St was still closed at 810 pm and 78th St was still closed at 830 pm. What happens if the volunteers no longer want to continue or start making other plans with the city no longer locked down? Who is coordinating the volunteers and how many more will be needed going forward. Time for those clamoring for the Open Streets to put their time where their mouth is.

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2021, 10:58:57 PM »
One more item to consider. Some of the volunteers seem to have had the night off. 72nd St was still closed at 810 pm and 78th St was still closed at 830 pm. What happens if the volunteers no longer want to continue or start making other plans with the city no longer locked down? Who is coordinating the volunteers and how many more will be needed going forward. Time for those clamoring for the Open Streets to put their time where their mouth is.

This is done with volunteers? What happens if a volunteer gets hurt? run over by a car, scooter, etc, ... heart attack,... beaten up like what the crazy guy did the other day... Are these volunteers registered or can anyone start moving things in the street, (besides the drivers who move the barriers)?

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
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